Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/8gmgl950y3h7

by imdsm • 8 months ago

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imdsm7• 8 months ago

Related to Azure DDoS?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45955900

alexdns• 8 months ago

whats your chain of thought here ? a company that has nothing to do with azure is down because azure got ddosed 2 weeks ago ?

Jordan-117• 8 months ago

Maybe that any actor sophisticated enough to take down Azure might also target Cloudflare?

polisaez2• 8 months ago

Maybe related to their scheduled maintenance? https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/

chedabob• 8 months ago

I thought that as we're seeing issues with LON, but their Manchester POP is also down and that didn't have any maintenance this morning.

pstation2• 8 months ago

Ironically I can't even read the link in the article because cloudflare is down.

watermelon02• 8 months ago

Linked Microsoft blog article mentions that DDoS was in October.

its_notjack2• 8 months ago

Ironically, DownDetector seems to be down because it protects its site with Cloudflare Turnstile... which is also down!

imdsm7• 8 months ago

I noticed this too!

thrdbndndn• 8 months ago

The report there for AWS also skyrocketed, but I guess it's probably false positives?

Macha• 8 months ago

Even many non tech people have begun to associate Internet wide outages with “aws must be down” so I imagine many of them searching “is aws down” and for down detector, a hit is a down report, so it will report aws impacts even when the culprit is cloudflare in this case

imdsm7• 8 months ago

Internet is down, I guess I'll just look out of the window for a bit

break_the_bank3• 8 months ago

Ands its back. It was a very short window to look out of the window.

porridgeraisin• 8 months ago

Not too much window to see anyway

Filligree• 8 months ago

It's the first time it's been down that I've seen a sensible error message.

But I was supposed to be commuting, so I guess I'll do that.

ndsipa_pomu2• 8 months ago

I was trying to look up banana-based jokes (https://upjoke.com/banana-jokes) and discovered that London Cloudflare seems to be down.

Then, I tried various down detecting sites and they didn't seem to work either - presumably due to Cloudflare.

bagpuss• 8 months ago

it's a slippery slope alright

hirako20003• 8 months ago

Not affected using tunnels, CDNs.

it's probably related to the recent ddos attacks they helped mitigating.

pavo-etc• 8 months ago

Saw cloudflare go down before my very eyes on colonist.io in Australia

itzjacki3• 8 months ago

A colleague of mine just came bursting through my office door in a panic, thinking he brought our site down since this happened just as he made some changes to our Cloudflare config. He was pretty relieved to see this post.

Freak_NL2• 8 months ago

Is there a word for that feeling of relief when someone else fucked up after initially thinking it was you?

StanAngeloff3• 8 months ago

Schadenfreude

jpmonette• 8 months ago

phewphoria

shortrounddev2• 8 months ago

When I'm debugging something, I'm not usually looking for the solution to the problem; I'm looking for sufficient evidence that I didn't cause the problem. Once I have that, the velocity at which I work slows down

cromka2• 8 months ago

vindication?

jspash• 8 months ago

The problem is, I still get the wrong end of the stick when AWS or CF go down! Management doesn't care, understandably. They just want the money to keep coming in. It's hard to convince them that this is a pretty big problem. The only thing that will calm them down a bit is to tell them Twitter is also down. If that doesn't get them, I say ChatGPT is also down. Now NOBODY will get any work done! lol.

mcphage• 8 months ago

Maybe this isn’t great, but I get a hint of that feeling when I’m on an airplane and hear a baby crying. For a number of years, if I heard a baby crying, it was probably my baby and I had to deal with it. But now my kids are past that phase, so when I hear the crying, after that initial jolt of panic I realize that it isn’t my problem, and that does give me the warm fuzzies. Even though I do feel bad for the baby and their parents.

spamizbad• 8 months ago

What’s funny is as I get older this feeling of relief turns more like a feeling of dread. The nice thing about problems that you cause is that you have considerable autonomy to fix them. Cloudflare goes down you’re sitting and waiting for a 3 party to fix something.

stonecharioteer• 8 months ago

It's close enough to Schadenfreude but not really.

bookofjoe• 8 months ago

The German word “schadenfreude” means taking pleasure in someone else’s misfortune; enjoyment rather than relief.

Rooster61• 8 months ago

Schadenfriend?

You gain relief, but you don't exactly derive pleasure as it's someone you know that's getting the ass end of the deal

hoistbypetard• 8 months ago

schadenfuckup

NitpickLawyer• 8 months ago

You missed a great opportunity to dead-pan him with something like "No, Bob, not just our site, you brought down the entire Internet, look at this post!"

sakisv2• 8 months ago

Well, you can never be sure that he didn't:

https://www.fastly.com/blog/summary-of-june-8-outage

itzjacki3• 8 months ago

Oh don't you worry. We are very much talking about the global outage as if he was the root cause. Like good colleagues :)

srmarm• 8 months ago

May 12, we began a software deployment that introduced a bug that could be triggered by a specific customer configuration under specific circumstances.

I'd love to know more about what those specific circumstances were!

CableNinja3• 8 months ago

Damn, imagine being the customer responsible for that, oof

Bloomy22• 8 months ago

I'm pretty sure I crashed Gmail using something weird in its filters. It was a few years ago. Every time I did something specific (I don't remember what), it would freeze and then display a 502 error for a while.

nevf1• 8 months ago

It's also what was the cause of the Azure Front Doors global outage two weeks ago - https://aka.ms/air/YKYN-BWZ

"A specific sequence of customer configuration changes, performed across two different control plane build versions, resulted in incompatible customer configuration metadata being generated. These customer configuration changes themselves were valid and non-malicious – however they produced metadata that, when deployed to edge site servers, exposed a latent bug in the data plane. This incompatibility triggered a crash during asynchronous processing within the data plane service. This defect escaped detection due to a gap in our pre-production validation, since not all features are validated across different control plane build versions."

belter3• 8 months ago

Wait for the post mortem ... It is a technical possibility, race condition propagates one customer config to all nodes... :-)

bamboozled4• 8 months ago

How do we know your colleagues changes didn't take down Cloudflare though?

itzjacki3• 8 months ago

Good point. We should probably assume they did, until proven otherwise.

disconnection• 8 months ago

Good that he worked it out so quick. I recently spent a day debugging email problems on Railway PaaS, because they silently closed an SMTP port without telling anyone.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt6• 8 months ago

The company where this colleague works? Cloudflare.

dcjdfvk3• 8 months ago

Even pornhub is down becuase it uses clouflare.

carlos_rpn• 8 months ago

Is Cloudflare being down the work of conservative hackers and the rest of the internet is just collateral damage?

arbuge• 8 months ago

Tell him it's worse than he thinks. He obviously brought the entire Cloudflare system down.

mlrtime4• 8 months ago

You joke and I think its funny, but as a junior engineer I would be quite proud if some small change I made was able to take down the mighty Cloudflare.

0xblinq3• 8 months ago

Do you guys work at Cloudflare? Do you mind reverting that change just in case?

0xblinq3• 8 months ago

Plot twist: They work at Cloudflare

ants_everywhere• 8 months ago

Chances are still good that somewhere within Cloudflare someone really did do a global configuration push that brought down the internet.

When aliens study humans from this period, their book of fairy tales will include several where a terrible evil was triggered by a config push.

sefke• 8 months ago

I woke up getting bombarded by multiple clients messages of sites not working, I shitted my pants because I've changed the config just yesterday. When I saw the status message "cloudflare down" I was so relieved.

raxxorraxor3• 8 months ago

Did your colleague perhaps change the Cloudflare config again right now? Seems to be down again.

theoldgreybeard2• 8 months ago

You should tell him his config change took down half the internet.

pySilver• 8 months ago

Our company is loosing money with every second of downtime.

Vista2003• 8 months ago

Unfortunately downtime is just the cost of doing business. Everyone else using Cloudflare is in the same boat.

vldszn2• 8 months ago

Also seeing this on my websites hosted on cloudflare

surrTurr• 8 months ago

x is also not working properly

Folyd2• 8 months ago

Insane, my website https://geddle.com totally down

dutchbrit• 8 months ago

seems to work here

Folyd2• 8 months ago

down again, all my website rely on Cloudflare DNS are down

herbst7• 8 months ago

Some of my websites are down. Says it's the cloudflare network, when I click it it says generic things about my server likely being the issue.

MrKh4n2• 8 months ago

Yes, most of things are down, recapthca, dns routing, proxy, etc.

j0nimost2• 8 months ago

all of my websites are down

skrebbel• 8 months ago

yep

break_the_bank3• 8 months ago

Update: It seems to be back, the downtime lasted maybe 5-6 minutes

Batman8675309• 8 months ago

Still down for me.

its_notjack2• 8 months ago

Looks like it's going up and down intermittently, maybe something is only half-rolled-out.

ndsipa_pomu2• 8 months ago

I'm still seeing some sites not working - ironically they're down detectors:

https://statusfield.com/status/cloudflare https://statusgator.com/services/cloudflare

Sammi• 8 months ago

It was down, then up, then back down for me.

EDIT: And it's back up.

EDIT EDIT: And it's back down lol

techguy19545• 8 months ago

It came back up for me, now it's down again. EDIT: I am in the UK, using the London Cloudflare server.

break_the_bank3• 8 months ago

Spoke too soon. The "internet" is down again.

astonfred2• 8 months ago

Down again in London

robotfelix6• 8 months ago

Back up for me now

fspoettel• 8 months ago

Down again

robotfelix6• 8 months ago

Yep - down again for me too!

robotfelix6• 8 months ago

Back up for me now

Edit: and then back down again

Genego• 8 months ago

Yes (Asia)

ilaksh2• 8 months ago

When this kind of thing happens it makes me feel better about my own programming problems.

I wonder if it has anything to do with the replicate.com purchase? Probably not.

bratao• 8 months ago

The danger of Internet centralization in Cloudflare

snitty• 8 months ago

That's why I run my server on 7100 chips made for me by Sam Zeloof in his garage on a software stack hand coded by me, on copper I ran personally to everyone's house.

cuu5082• 8 months ago

You are joking but working on making decentralization more viable would indeed be more healthy than throwing hands up and accepting Cloudflare as the only option.

A_Venom_Roll• 8 months ago

Looks like it. Even sites like isup.me seem to be down, lots of cloudflare error messages across the net

cbility• 8 months ago

Getting a 500 error from cloudflare in Manchester

mittermayr4• 8 months ago

Funny how I trusted Cloudflare first and started looking at restarting my servers, only to realize it's not me this time :)

herbst7• 8 months ago

The error even kinda says that. Still assumed it's me

r7213• 8 months ago

Another thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45963781

UPD And https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45963949

sammy22554• 8 months ago

Turnstile is throwing 500 internal server error

re-thc2• 8 months ago

Downflare

js4ever• 8 months ago

Cloudflare fully down for me and my team, half of internet just vanished

teitoklien• 8 months ago

Same we use cloudflare as image cdn and its R2 service a lot, cant access anything over its cdn route

mrintegrity3• 8 months ago

It's insane to me that big internet uptime monitoring tools like Pingdom and Downdetector both seem to rely on Cloudflare, as both of those are currently unavailable as well.

stupidityonmaxx2• 8 months ago

down detector works in serbia

_9za9• 8 months ago

Browser Working, Portland Cloudflare Error, apps.ideal-logic.com Host Working

re-thc2• 8 months ago

Downflare

DC-33• 8 months ago

Cloudflare'nt

Terr_• 8 months ago

I'm thinking about all those quips from a few decades back, along the lines of: "The Internet is resilient, it's distributed and it routes around damage" etc.

In many ways it's still true, but it doesn't feel like a given anymore.

zx76• 8 months ago

Unfortunately it seems like it, our service has lost a portion of our Cloudflare connectivity. We use their tunnels functionality.

Additionally, it looks like Pingdom/Solarwinds authentication is affected too - not a great look for a service in that category.

StanAngeloff3• 8 months ago

No logging in to Cloudflare Dash, no passing Turnstile (their CAPTCHA Replacement Solution) on third-party websites not proxied by Cloudflare, the rest that are proxied throwing 500 Internal server error saying it's Cloudflare's fault…

Feels like half the internet is down.

woodylondon• 8 months ago

my cloudflare pages website is down - 500 server error :(

cannot login to get to workers to check - auth errors

I thought this was the point of a cached CDN!

Mojah2• 8 months ago

Interestingly, also noticing that websites that use Cloudflare Challenge (aka "I'm not a Robot") are also throwing exceptions with a message as "Please unblock challenges.cloudflare.com to proceed" - even though it's just responding with an HTTP/500.

wslh3• 8 months ago

Not only discriminating robots but actual people /s.

davidee• 8 months ago

And others (ex. pinkbike) displaying "you have been blocked".

comprev• 8 months ago

Always nice to see Pinkbike mentioned in the tech world :)

csomar4• 8 months ago

I think the site (front-end) thinks you have blocked the domain through DNS or an extension; and thus suggests you unblock it. It is unthinkable that Cloudflare captchas could go down /s.

cube002• 8 months ago

The state of error handling in general is woeful, they do anything to avoid admitting they're at fault so the negative screenshots don't end up on social media.

Blame the user or just leave them at an infinite spinning circle of death.

I check the network tab and find the backend is actually returning a reasonable error but the frontend just hides it.

Most recent one was a form saying my email was already in use, when the actual backend error returned was that the password was too long.

littlecranky672• 8 months ago

This takes down AI/search on chat.bing.com (GPT5, unauthenticated).

Funny, since I would have to prove to a an AI that I am human in the first place.

gwd• 8 months ago

I do appreciate the visual "mea culpa":

Your browser: Working

Host: Working

Cloudflare: Error

mallets3• 8 months ago

Might be the first time I have ever seen that. Though in my case the "Host" is Cloudflare's own Pages service.

udev40963• 8 months ago

Yeah, I was shocked. Disbelief that the host was up, which is what usually happens when the cloudflare's page show up

janmo• 8 months ago

And at the bottom:

What can I do?

Please try again in a few minutes.

mig4ng4• 8 months ago

That is really good to be honest!

I have Cloudflare running in production and it is affecting us right now. But at least I know what is going on and how I can mitigate (e.g. disable Cloudflare as a proxy if it keeps affecting our services at skeeled).

Lukas_Skywalker• 8 months ago

They still blame the customers when you click on "Cloudflare":

If the problem isn’t resolved in the next few minutes, it’s most likely an issue with the web server you were trying to reach.

mig4ng4• 8 months ago

In terms of probability looking at the history, it is correct. It's mostly me messing up with the web server.

jap• 8 months ago

That page has special if/endif HTML comments to handle if your browser is IE 6, IE 7, IE 8...

Neil44• 8 months ago

I noticed that refreshing honesty too, not that the users did (our wifi is down fix it pls urgent)

ponytech• 8 months ago

I searched my logs for errors for about an hour before figuring out the problem was not on my server :D

WhereIsTheTruth• 8 months ago

West's Great Firewall

pelagicAustral3• 8 months ago

Yeah, dammit! NOT TODAY!!!

alexcroox• 8 months ago

It's been 15 minutes of it going up and down, still nothing on their status page...

imdsm7• 8 months ago

Well, we've seen it now, they'll have to update it eventually!

timpera4• 8 months ago

They've just added it less than a minute ago. I expected a little more responsiveness from Cloudflare...

arkx• 8 months ago

Me too. What good is a status page that's not automated?

rco87865• 8 months ago

Everything else aside, 20 minutes to get their status page updated seems pretty damn fast.

red_Seashell_32• 8 months ago

Just were talking about how Replicate might have better availability due to joining Cloudflare, and they too went down... Oops.

karimf2• 8 months ago

I've been migrating all my personal stuff to Cloudflare. They have good products and good pricing.

At the same time I'm worried about how the internet is becoming even more centralized, which goes against how it was originally designed.

kilroy1232• 8 months ago

Same here. A lot of my sites are now down.

Mike1122• 8 months ago

All my websites are down due to Cloudflare

polisaez2• 8 months ago

From the Cloudflare status website: "Scheduled maintenance is currently in progress." Maybe something went wrong while doing maintenance?

Fysi• 8 months ago

They consistently have scheduled maintenance.

helloguillecl2• 8 months ago

Yes. At least in Germany and Spain. Interment.

davisonio2• 8 months ago

Even downdetector is down, I can't get through the Cloudflate captcha.

fny• 8 months ago

Ironically, cloudflare.com is not down.

ed_mercer2• 8 months ago

Yeah I wonder how that works

Dilettante_5• 8 months ago

"Don't get high on your own supply"?

davisonio2• 8 months ago

Even downdetector is down, I can't get through the Cloudflate captcha.

rvz3• 8 months ago

Working just fine in the UAE.

tokioyoyo• 8 months ago

I had two completely unrelated tabs open (https://twitter.com and https://onsensensei.com) both showing the same error. Opened another website, same error. Kinda funny to see how much of entire web is ran on CloudFlare nowadays.

burtekd• 8 months ago

Love how everyone plays with redundancy - multiple hosts, balance loader, etc, and yet half of the web relies on single point of failure being CF

60317692• 8 months ago

Indeed. And it feels really good knowing that our stuff isn't in that half.

Dennip• 8 months ago

Still down for me

lofaszvanitt5• 8 months ago

So it begins. Now is the time to banish the evil presence from the internet. :D

Ekaros• 8 months ago

I was joking that after AWS, Azure that the Cloudflare would be next one...

So which large service we have left that could take chunk of internet out?

sammy22554• 8 months ago

Gcloud

drcongo• 8 months ago

Came back up for a few minutes and has gone down again. https://www.cloudflarestatus.com has nothing.

techguy19545• 8 months ago

Keeps going up and down for me, I cant access DownDetector to check. The first website I noticed it on was Blender Artists.

imik768• 8 months ago

i am trying to this page https://cryptoquip.net/ but it is showing, Cloudflare Error

lurkersince2013• 8 months ago

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com - has been updated.

entropoem• 8 months ago

Everyone laughs when AWS collapses, everyone is silent when Cloudflare collapses. Why? Because the place to laugh has collapsed.

Hedepig• 8 months ago

Except on HN

HAHA!

Our servers are still down, though

sutton123454• 8 months ago

HAHAHAHA

belter3• 8 months ago

One is every seven years... the other one is a ...monthly event?: https://hn.algolia.com/?https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=al...

ceejayoz3• 8 months ago

Most of those aren’t outages, and both providers have big blips.

Globally meaningful outages of either are quite rare.

AnkerSkallebank• 8 months ago

Everyone is silent when Cloudflare collapses. Same goes for Azure, but that is because noone uses it.

imdsm7• 8 months ago

When Azure goes down: Oh well

When Cloudflare goes down: Oh no

exe34• 8 months ago

Down detector broke.... :-D

techguy19545• 8 months ago

Yeah, how ironic. The site that is designed to tell you if something else is down, is currently down.

pelagicAustral3• 8 months ago

OMG! today of all days!

nrhrjrjrjtntbt6• 8 months ago

Black Tuesday

tzpbingo2• 8 months ago

Because those who were mocking him couldn't speak, X also crashed.

timeon6• 8 months ago

This would be true in the past but now most people are not on Twitter.

JdeBP• 8 months ago

Sadly, I can report that this has brought down 2 of the major Mastodon nodes in the United Kingdom.

Happily, the small ones that I also use are still going without anyone apparently even noticing. At least, the subject has yet to reach their local timelines at the time that I write this.

2 of the other major U.K. nodes are still up, too.

weberer2• 8 months ago

"Most people" were never on Twitter to begin with. However its number of monthly active users have only grown since 2020.

r0fl• 8 months ago

Peter Levels wisdom about why to host not on aws not looking so wise right now

basilgohar• 8 months ago

There are places other than AWS to host.

matt-p2• 8 months ago

Cloudflare down because of a DDOS is extremely funny.

sammy22554• 8 months ago

There's no evidence to suggest it was a result of a DDoS attack

brazukadev• 8 months ago

Everyone laughs when AWS collapses, everyone is silent when Cloudflare collapses

Everyone laughs when Azure collapses too

mlrtime4• 8 months ago

Who is silent?

yen223• 8 months ago

It's down here in Sydney as well. The status page hasn't been updated to reflect that

helloguillecl2• 8 months ago

Funny that I could not load Twitter to see if Cloudflare was down.

I rushed to Hacker News, but it was too early. Clicking on “new” did the job to find this post before making it to the Homepage:)

The web is still alive!

timeon6• 8 months ago

It was on Mastodon. That one is hardly going down.

ksec• 8 months ago

HN has become the place to check if any HyperScaler + Cloudflare is down.

montekristooGDB• 8 months ago

while my colleagues are wondering why cloudlfare isn't working and are afraid it might be something from us locally, I'll first check here to make sure it's not a Cloudflare / AWS problem in the first place.

timpera4• 8 months ago

When was HN down for the last time? :)

zwog• 8 months ago

I actually came here to check because downforeveryoneorjustme.com and downdetector are offline as well.

mchinen• 8 months ago

Down, but the linked status page shows mostly operational, except for "Support Portal Availability Issues" and planned maintenance. Since it was linked, I'm curious if others see differently.

edit: It now says "Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues" but it took a while.

erdaltoprak3• 8 months ago

At some point we really need to think if this is the web we want, one/two major actors are down and everything goes with it

Not downplaying the immense work of infra / engineering at this scale but my neighborhood local grocery market shouldn’t be down

eptcyka• 8 months ago

Decentralisation is at some point directly opposed to operational efficiency, when the sun is shining.

starbugs• 8 months ago

And centralization is ineffective long term

raxxorraxor3• 8 months ago

A shark is an extremely energy efficient creature, but it is relatively stupid.

lofaszvanitt5• 8 months ago

Why everyone needs to be behind Cloudflare. I don't think DDOSing sites out of whim is so rampant that everyone needs the virtual umbrella.

frameset4• 8 months ago

It actually is.

I run a small video game forum with posts going back to 2008. We got absolutely smashed by bots scraping for training data for LLMs.

So I put it behind Cloudflare and now it's down. Ho hum.

reassess_blind7• 8 months ago

I’ve been DDoS’d countless times running a small scale, uncontroversial SaaS. Without them I would’ve had countless downtime periods with really no other way to mitigate.

dukeyukey• 8 months ago

Good chance the reason DDOSing isn't so big anymore is because everyone is on Cloudflare.

grey4132• 8 months ago

It's the web-scrapers. I run a tiny little mom and pop website, and the bots were consistently using up all of my servers' resources. Cloudfare more or less instantly resolved it.

luckylion2• 8 months ago

It's not super common, but common enough that I don't want to deal with it.

The other part is just how convenient it is with CF. Easy to configure, plenty of power and cheap compared to the other big ones. If they made their dashboard and permission-system better (no easy way to tell what a token can do last I checked), I'd be even more of a fan.

If Germany's Telekom was forced to peer on DE-CIX, I'd always use CF. Since they aren't and CF doesn't pay for peering, it's a hard choice for Germany but an easy one everywhere else.

BoldColdHold2• 8 months ago

DDOSing is absolutely so rampant that you need to be behind something.

chromehearts2• 8 months ago

Cloudflare DDOS protection is super essential (especially for smaller businesses)

hennell• 8 months ago

Honestly it kinda is. Ai bots scrape everything now, social media means you can go viral suddenly, or you make a post that angers someone and they launch an attack just because. I default to cloudflare, because like an umbrella I might just be carrying it around most of the time, but in the case of a sudden downpoor it's better than getting wet.

isodev7• 8 months ago

There are plenty of alternatives to protect against DDoSing, people like convenience though. “Nobody gets fired for choosing Microsoft/Cloudflare”. We have a culture problem

xslvrxslwt8• 8 months ago

I was arrested by Interpol in 2018 because of warrants issued by the NCA, DOJ, FBI, J-CAT, and several other agencies, all due to my involvement in running a DDoS-for-hire website. Honestly, anyone can bypass Cloudflare, and anyone that want to take your website down - will take it down. It's just that luckily for all of us most of the DDoS-4-hire websites are down nowadays but there are still many botnets out there that will get past basically any protection and you can get access to them for basically $5.

sznio• 8 months ago

There's plenty of DDoS if you're dealing with people petty enough.

The VPS I use will nuke your instance if you run a game server. Not due to resource usage, but because it attracts DDoS like nothing else. Ban a teen for being an asshole and expect your service to be down for a week. And there isn't really Cloudflare for independent game servers. There's Steam Networking but it requires the developer to support it and of course Steam.

Valve's GDC talk about DDoS mitigation for games: https://youtu.be/2CQ1sxPppV4

finghin• 8 months ago

There’s certainly a business case for “which nines” after the talk of n nines. You ideally want to be available when your competitor, for instance, is not.

carlosjobim8• 8 months ago

Think about this rationally. If Cloudflare doesn't fix it within reasonable time, you can just point to different name servers and have your problem fixed in minutes.

So why be on Cloudflare to start with? Well, if you have a more reliable way then there's no reason. If you have a less reliable way, then you're on average better off with Cloudflare.

erdaltoprak3• 8 months ago

Well I can't change my NS since it's on Cloudflare too but besides that my personal opinion was not about this outage in particular but more the default approach of some websites that don't need all this tech (yes I really was out of groceries)

karimf2• 8 months ago

It's hard not to use Cloudflare at least for me: good products, "free" for small projects, and if Cloudflare is down no one will blame you since the internet is down.

graemep3• 8 months ago

if Cloudflare is down no one will blame you since the internet is down.

That is true. it is also the problem. It means the biggest providers do not even need to bother to be reliable because everyone will use them anyway.

timeon6• 8 months ago

if Cloudflare is down no one will blame you since the internet is down.

But this is not really the case. When Azure/AWS were down, same as this one with Cloudflare: significant amount of web was down but most of it was not. It just makes more obvious which provider you use.

Dilettante_5• 8 months ago

"Accountability Sinks"

https://aworkinglibrary.com/writing/accountability-sinks

saxenaabhi3• 8 months ago

Setting up a replica and then pointing your api requests at it when cloudflare request fails is trivial. This way if you have a SPA and as long as your site/app is open the users won't notice.

The issue is DNS since DNS propagation takes time. Does anyone have any ideas here?

isodev7• 8 months ago

Two domains for your api perhaps, a full blown SPA could try one and then the other.

viraptor2• 8 months ago

Setting up a replica and then pointing your api requests at it when cloudflare request fails is trivial.

Only if you're doing very basic proxy stuff. If you stack multiple features and maybe even start using workers, there may be no 1:1 alternatives to switch to. And definitely not trivially.

tambre• 8 months ago

Owning your IP space and using Anycast.

numpad0• 8 months ago

BLOCKCHAINS! I mean, some sort of P2P hosting and/or node discovery would be nice.

nuker• 8 months ago

At some point we really need to think if this is the web we want,

You think we have a say in this?

louismerlin• 8 months ago

You have the power to not host your own infrastructure on aws and behind cloudflare, or in the case of an employer you have the power to fight against the voices arguing for the unsustainable status quo.

squigz• 8 months ago

The HN crowd in particular absolutely has a say in this, given the amount of engineering leads, managers, and even just regular programmers/admins/etc that frequent here - all of whom contribute to making these decisions.

deadbabe3• 8 months ago

Believe me it’s what people want. The alternative is far worse.

severino• 8 months ago

It's not the web we want, but it's the web corporations want. And everybody else doesn't give a damn.

neop1x3• 8 months ago

We? I am not using it. I never used it and I will not use it. People should learn how to work with firewall, setup a simple ModSecurity WAF and stop using this bullshit. Almost everything goes through cloudflare and cloudflare also does TLS fronting for websites so basically cloudflare is MITM spying proxy but no one seem to care. :/

diimdeep• 8 months ago

80% of web sites I visited in last 15 minutes are not available anymore, LOL

Andugal2• 8 months ago

OK, it seems to be working again.

kaizenb2• 8 months ago

Nope.

Andugal2• 8 months ago

Indeed, it worked for 2 minutes, but not anymore.

kaizenb2• 8 months ago

Yes.

johnstonnorth• 8 months ago

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/8gmgl950y3h7

palmeida• 8 months ago

Just now it was acknowledge in the status page.

dazc• 8 months ago

Checks Cloudflare Status - yeah, everything's hunky dory bro.

mittermayr4• 8 months ago

I started restarting my own servers thinking something went awry again, that's how much I usually trust them not to be down. Interesting.

mrintegrity3• 8 months ago

Now is as good a time as ever to look at moving our eggs into some other baskets

ilaksh2• 8 months ago

Telnyx seems to be down for me. Actually I lied, I think it is working. at least call connected.

spapas822• 8 months ago

Cloudflare seems to have degrated performance. Half the requests for my site throw cloudflare 500x errors, the other half work fine.

However the https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/ does not really mention anything relevant. What's the point of having a status page if it lies ?

Update Ah I just checked the status and now I get a big red warning (however the problem existed for like 15 minutes before 11:48 UTC):

Investigating - Cloudflare is aware of, and investigating an issue which potentially impacts multiple customers. Further detail will be provided as more information becomes available. Nov 18, 2025 - 11:48 UTC

maushu• 8 months ago

What's the point of having a status page if it lies ?

Status pages are basically marketing crap right now. The same thing happened with Azure where it took at least 45 minutes to show any change. They can't be trusted.

bilekas4• 8 months ago

However the https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/ does not really mention anything relevant. What's the point of having a status page if it lies ?

What is the lie ?

Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues

cloudflare has a specific service names "Network" and it's having issues..

spapas822• 8 months ago

Please read my comment again including the update:

For 15 minute cloudflare wasn't working and the status page did not mentioned anything. Yes, right now the status page mentions the serious network problem but for some time our pages were not working and we didn't know what was happening.

So for ~ 15 minutes the status page lied. The whole point of a status page is to not lie, i.e to be updated automatically when there are problem and not by a person that needs to get clearance on what and how to write.

mrsuprawsm• 8 months ago

Seems like ChatGPT and Claude are also affected. (CLI Codex still seems to work).

RIP to the engineers fixing this without any AI help.

fullstackchris3• 8 months ago

They better not be using AI to fix this... especially if AI is what caused it! (looking at you, AWS)

re5i5tor4• 8 months ago

For me right now, Claude.ai is down, but Claude Code (terminal, extension) seems to be up and happy. Suggests that API is probably up.

lucabrekkav• 8 months ago

it comes back up now

tedmundy• 8 months ago

I think everyone is in the same boat with thinking they took something offline :^)

Concerning though how much the web relies on one (great) service.

pqdbr3• 8 months ago

I had just deployed. Started reverting commits like crazy.

r7213• 8 months ago

Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues
Cloudflare is aware of, and investigating an issue which potentially impacts multiple customers. Further detail will be provided as more information becomes available.
Posted 4 minutes ago

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/8gmgl950y3h7

robotfelix6• 8 months ago

Things are back up (a second time) for me. It doesn’t sound like they are confident the problem is fully fixed yet though

Edit: and down again a third time!

robotfelix6• 8 months ago

Cloudflare Global Network experiencing issues
Investigating - Cloudflare is aware of, and investigating an issue which potentially impacts multiple customers. Further detail will be provided as more information becomes available.

Things are back up (a second time) for me.

Cloudflare have updated their status page now to reflect the problems now. It doesn’t sound like they are confident the problem is fully fixed yet.

Edit: and down again a third time!

grrowl• 8 months ago

it's back again!

TavsiE9s• 8 months ago

Investigating - Cloudflare is aware of, and investigating an issue which potentially impacts multiple customers. Further detail will be provided as more information becomes available. Nov 18, 2025 - 11:48 UTC

Yeah, those multiple customers is like 70% of the internet.

keshavmunjal2• 8 months ago

Cloudflare is still down

rehanahmed• 8 months ago

Funny how I couldn't even check on Downdetector.com - because it takes me to a Cloudfare-run captcha, which is now stuck on loading.

The internet is officially down.

keshavmunjal2• 8 months ago

cloudfare down in india

mrintegrity3• 8 months ago

It would have been ironic had this https://www.thewebsiteisdown.com/salesguy.html been hosted behind cloudflare.

chinathrow2• 8 months ago

It's back up.

techguy19545• 8 months ago

It would appear if you use a VPN in Europe you can still access Cloudflare sites, I have just tried, for me the Netherlands, Germany, and France work, but the UK and USA don't.

EDIT: It would appear it is still unreliable in these countries, it just stopped working in France for me.

brushfoot• 8 months ago

I've been considering Cloudflare for caching, DDoS protection and WAF, but I don't like furthering the centralization of the Web. And my host (Vultr) has had fantastic uptime over the 10 years I've been on them.

How are others doing this? How is Hacker News hosted/protected?

NicoJuicy3• 8 months ago

Was back up for a moment ( within 5 minutes of being down), currently down again

jjgreen2• 8 months ago

In Yorkshire they would say "up and down like a bride's nightie"

alt2274• 8 months ago

...or a whores drawers

chistev6• 8 months ago

Yea, had trouble accessing Upwork

ea016• 8 months ago

We're on the enterprise plan, so far we're seeing Dashboard degradation and Turnstile (their captcha service) down. But all proxying/CDN and other services seem to work well.

Semaphor2• 8 months ago

We finally switched to CF a few weeks ago (for bot protection, abusive traffic started getting insane this year), finally we can join in on one of the global outage parties (no cloud usage otherwise, so still more uptime than most).

sutton123454• 8 months ago

cloudfare is down officially

aap_• 8 months ago

Crazy to think that it's apparently acceptable to centralize the web like that.

rulehard2• 8 months ago

why does no one use google cloud? literally never has any issues lol

avadhesh18• 8 months ago

because no one uses it

benedictboppler3• 8 months ago

Expensive, hard to use, a million dashboards

eruci2• 8 months ago

Searching for Cloudflare alternatives...

CREAMY_BANANA• 8 months ago

I can't access my fav porn sites, cloudflare Singapore host is down. Oh man!

oxy1tumn2• 8 months ago

Took down both Twitter and Rateyourmusic. This is a targetted attack against me specifically and nobody else

anuraagvaidya2• 8 months ago

I got an email saying that my OpenAI auto-renewal failed, my credits have run out. I go to OpenAI to reauthorize the card, and I can't login because OpenAI uses Cloudflare for "verifying you are a human" that goes in infinite loop. Great.

Piko• 8 months ago

oh no, the vibes won't code themselves /s

anuraagvaidya2• 8 months ago

Or even worse, people with apps in production with credits running out

rkwasny• 8 months ago

downdetector.com is down because it uses cloudflare challenge....

sutton123454• 8 months ago

do any of users facing cloudfare outage ???!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

vinishbhaskar• 8 months ago

Tried checking Cloudflare’s status on Downdetector, but Downdetector was also behind Cloudflare. Internet checkmate.

josephb• 8 months ago

It’s not just websites :-/

Things like Apple private relay (which way too many people seem to have it enabled) are tunnelled via Cloudflare, maybe using warp?

StefanThorpe2• 8 months ago

Whats peoples bets on the root cause of this...?

redrove• 8 months ago

Their Oregon controlplane somehow? Either a misconfiguration of some sort (BGP??) or a power outage like they had before.

outroll• 8 months ago

Yep, got around 100 SMSs from our uptime monitoring service that our Cloudflare sites are down. Nothing much we can do but wait.

vldszn2• 8 months ago

x.com is down

lyfeesgood• 8 months ago

singapore down

aws_eu13• 8 months ago

ERROR [11:57:30 UTC]: EC2 Launch Failure. Reason: [Security Breach Remediation] Control Plane Metadata Service (IMDS) temporarily offline. System state reports: Dependency integrity check failed (Exit Code 0x80070002). Cannot retrieve authorized kernel image or block device mapping. Termination signal initiated for compromised worker nodes.

flamixin• 8 months ago

This sounds huge.

rulehard2• 8 months ago

pretty much just my twitter usage as of now. my sites dont use cloudflare

ilkkao• 8 months ago

I can't even load the dashboard to change to "DNS only". Nothing to do?

mak83• 8 months ago

supabase is down too

yard2010• 8 months ago

Yes. I get 500 on my website.

bilekas4• 8 months ago

Well it was bound to happen eventually, the "Down Roulette" has decided it should be Cloudflare this week!

aws_eu13• 8 months ago

CONTROL PLANE FAULT: CRITICAL SECURITY OVERRIDE enforced across us-east-1 and eu-west-2. ERROR CODE: STS.SecurityAuditLockout (403 Forbidden).

chinathrow2• 8 months ago

Context?

techguy19545• 8 months ago

ChatGPT and Perplexity AI are down, I was just about to try and use ChatGPT.

vednig3• 8 months ago

all the captcha's are also not working

jamesnorden2• 8 months ago

Almost like centralizing everything on a single service has consequences.

lpcvoid8• 8 months ago

Can we at some point acknowledge that constant cloud disruptions are too costly, and can we then finally move all of our hosting back on-prem?

donglong3• 8 months ago

can you define "constant"

lpcvoid8• 8 months ago

Well, between AWS US EAST 1 killing half the internet, and this incident, not even a month passed. Meanwhile, my physical servers don't care and happily serve many people at a cheaper cost than any cloud offer.

darkwater4• 8 months ago

Funnily and ironically enough, I was trying to check out a few things on Ansible Galaxy and... I ended up here trying to submit the link for the CF ongoing incident

DC-33• 8 months ago

It's the old IBM thing. If your website goes down along with everyone else's because of Cloudflare, you shrug and say "nothing we could do, we were following the industry standard". If your website goes down because of on-prem then it's very much your problem and maybe you get to look forward to an exciting debrief with your manager's manager.

lpcvoid8• 8 months ago

That's lazy engineering and I don't think we as technical, rational people should make that our way of working. I know the saying, but I disagree with it. My fuckups, my problem, but at least I can avoid fuckups actively if I am in charge.

rkangel• 8 months ago

I would only consider doing stuff on-prem because of services like Cloudflare. You can have some of the global features like edge-caching while also getting the (cost) benefits of on-prem.

celltalk3• 8 months ago

I am glad my personal site is not affected, what would I do without all those incoming traffic.

ashsk0110• 8 months ago

World infrastructure is taking a hit. First us-east and now this.

thoughtogram• 8 months ago

Cant websites have an auto backup/redirect in case cloudflare or AWS go down?

mberger• 8 months ago

Is it DNS? I went to check the isitdns.com but got a cloudflare error

ablation2• 8 months ago

It's knocked out Turnstile too, which means I can't even log in to my Cloudflare dash to bypass my site's proxying via Cloudflare.

porker2• 8 months ago

Even if you could, the DNS entries aren't loading. And then the page 404's.

stavros• 8 months ago

Oh you aren't missing much, the dashboard doesn't load anyway.

bamboozled4• 8 months ago

This one is huge.

drchiu• 8 months ago

Just when the eastern cities are waking up too.

aws_eu13• 8 months ago

ERROR [12:00:21 UTC]: CF_EDGE_ROUTING_FAILURE. Reason: Origin-Shield connectivity loss detected within multi-region fabric. BGP path withdrawal initiated for critical LCP clusters (LCP-LON, LCP-FRA). Status code 521/522 flood reported globally. Geo-location failover services degraded. DNS resolution timeout on 1.1.1.1/1.0.0.1. Traffic flow re-routing pending verification of internal control plane integrity.

dontdoxxme• 8 months ago

Did you ask an LLM to try to guess the error message?

jamesnorden2• 8 months ago

And no lesson about single point of failure and centralization was learned that day.

carlosjobim8• 8 months ago

Where is the single point of failure? You can point to different name servers and swiftly remove Cloudflare from your setup.

JustSkyfall• 8 months ago

Not if you’re using Workers/Pages!

blackjackfoe• 8 months ago

If your site is only hosted on one server and it catches fire, you can swiftly reinstall on a new server and change the IP your domain is pointing to, too... Still a single point of failure.

cryptonym3• 8 months ago

Only true if your audience doesn't require Edge distribution, also if your Origin can handle the increased load and security issues, also if you don't use any advanced features (routing, edge compute...).

pessimizer• 8 months ago

But you didn't, so Cloudflare ended up being a single point of failure for half the internet.

filleduchaos• 8 months ago

Bold of you to assume the service you use to manage your DNS was not also relying on Cloudflare just like you

ashed96• 8 months ago

Suddenly feeling better about our 99.9% uptime SLA.

When even Cloudflare goes down, nobody can blame the little guys.

udev40963• 8 months ago

Would be funny if it was a record breaking ddos on cloudflare

KabuTheSilicon5• 8 months ago

The reason why you laugh

pstation2• 8 months ago

Cloudflare's dashboard is currently down as well.

My domain is registered with cloudflare so I'm 100% helpless to get things back online.

I can't edit DNS records to bypass cloudflare and I can't change nameservers either.

astonfred2• 8 months ago

We are all impacted...

lofaszvanitt5• 8 months ago

Seemingly nobody cares about being in two different availability zones. Or is this a deeper problem?

whd5015• 8 months ago

just scheduled maintenance in Tahiti guys, nothing to see here

rikafurude213• 8 months ago

could be related? Tahiti is a small island in the south pacific, seems rather suspicious

demontime• 8 months ago

Twitter too is down, almost half the internet

MaximilianEmel• 8 months ago

When's the last time Cloudflare had such an outage?

Metacelsus• 8 months ago

Yeah I just got a 500 error on medRxiv

akashvekariya2• 8 months ago

We are doomed! Is it another vibe-coding disaster?

robertwt7• 8 months ago

this should affect a lot sites? I'm trying to access tailwindcss and I can't as well!

chistev6• 8 months ago

Not my site though

https://www.rxjourney.net/

csomar4• 8 months ago

I am using cloudflare as back-end for my site (workers) but have disabled all their other offerings. I was affected for a short while but seems to be less affected than other people.

biinjo3• 8 months ago

Lol. I mean I love Tailwind but it seems like the least trivial site/service to be down right now haha.

ImScope0523002• 8 months ago

Dude what's up with X???

kmarc• 8 months ago

Yesterday I decided to finally write my makefiles to "mirror" (make available offline) the docs of the libraries I'm using. doc2dash for sphinx-enabled projects, and then using dash / zeal.

Then I was like... "when did I last time fly for 10+ hours and wanted to do programming, etc, so that I need offline docs?" So I gave up.

Today I can't browse the libs' docs quickly, so I'm resuming the work on my local mirroring :-)

ImScope0523002• 8 months ago

Bro what's up with X???

SallysField4• 8 months ago

Bro no way bro what's going on bro? BRO?! Bro this is crazy bro like one of your cartoons that you jerk it to every day bro

akashvekariya2• 8 months ago

We're doomed. Is this another vibe-coding disaster?

wolfgx• 8 months ago

I was using Cloudflare WARP; had to turn it off to access most of the websites i visit daily.

lambdaba• 8 months ago

it's funny I first noticed this visiting a random blog, then went on X and got the same error... is Cloudflare the Internet now?

fullstackchris3• 8 months ago

Supabase is down bad too... need to work on my project!

fullstackchris3• 8 months ago

Haha they updated their status page: "Identified - A global upstream provider is currently experiencing an outage which is impacting platform-level and project-level services"

A global upstream provider :)

farhadhf2• 8 months ago

Pretty much everything is down (checking from the Netherlands). The Cloudflare dashboard itself is experiencing an outage as well.

Not-so-funny thing is that the Betterstack dashboard is down but our status page hosted by Betterstack is up, and we can't access the dashboard to create an incident and let our customers know what's going on.

Edit: wording.

ablation2• 8 months ago

This is a big one.

csomar4• 8 months ago

Seems like workers are less affected and maybe betterstack has decided to bypass cloudflare "stuff" for the status pages? (maybe to cut down costs). My site is still up though some GitHub runners did show it failed at certain points.

tyingq• 8 months ago

I have a workers + kv app that seems fine right now.

biinjo3• 8 months ago

Same here. We’re using OhDear. The status page is available but I can’t post an incident because their service is also behind Cloudflare.

Mojah2• 8 months ago

Co-founder here, we'll be working on better ways to handle this over the coming days.

Update: our app is available again without Cloudflare, you'll be able to post updates to status pages smoothly again.

pell2• 8 months ago

It’s that time of the year again where we all realize that relying on AWS and Cloudflare to this degree is pretty dangerous but then again it’s difficult to switch at this point.

If there is a slight positive note to all this, then it is that these outages are so large that customers usually seem to be quite understanding.

tommica• 8 months ago

It’s that time of the year again

It's monthly by now

fusl3• 8 months ago

Happy to hear anyone's suggestions about where else to go or what else to do in regards to protecting from large-scale volumetric DDoS attacks. Pretty much every CDN provider nowadays has stacked up enough capacity to tank these kind of attacks, good luck trying to combat these yourself these days?

lbreakjai3• 8 months ago

If I choose AWS/cloudflare and we're down with half of the internet, then I don't even need to explain it to my boss' bosses, because there will be an article in the mainstream media.

If I choose something else, we're down, and our competitors aren't, then my overlords will start asking a lot of questions.

weird-eye-issue6• 8 months ago

Oh no, we had 30 minutes of downtime this year :(

isodev7• 8 months ago

Unless you’re say at airport trying to file a luggage claim … or at the pharmacy trying to get your prescription. I think as a community we have a responsibility to do better than this.

dlisboa• 8 months ago

If there is a slight positive note to all this, then it is that these outages are so large that customers usually seem to be quite understanding.

Which only shows that chasing five 9s is worthless for almost all web products. The idea is that by relying on AWS or Cloudflare you can push your uptime numbers up to that standard, but these companies themselves are having such frequent outages that customers themselves don't expect that kind reliability from web products.

esskay• 8 months ago

When its back up, do yourself a favour and rent a $5/mo vps in another country from a provider like OVH or Hetzner and stick your status page on that.

"Yes but what if they go down" - it doesnt matter, having it hosted by someone who can be down for the same reason as your main product/service is a recipe for disaster.

hcaz• 8 months ago

https://cachethq.io/ is great for this

jwr3• 8 months ago

Or use a service like https://updown.io/ (I host my status page there).

fodi• 8 months ago

Definitely. Tangentially, I encountered 504 Gateway Timeout errors on cloudflarestatus.com about an hour ago. The error page also disclosed the fact that it's powered by CloudFront (Amazon's CDN).

postalcoder• 8 months ago

Cloudflare dashboard is down-ish, not totally down. If you're persistent you can turn off the turnstile and proxy.

It took a few minutes but I got https://hcker.news off of it.

farhadhf2• 8 months ago

I'm already logged in on the cloudflare dashboard and trying to disable the CF proxy, but getting "404 | Either this page does not exist, or you do not have permission to access it" when trying to access the DNS configuration page.

skywhopper2• 8 months ago

Not saying not to do this to get through, but just as an observation, it’s also the sort of thing that can make these issues a nightmare to remediate, since the outage can actually draw more traffic just as things are warming up, from customers desperate to get through.

But then, that’s what Cloudflare signed up to be.

trollbridge6• 8 months ago

I can't sign in since Turnstile is down so I can't complete the captcha to log in.

I also can't log in via Google SSO since Cloudflare's SSO service is down.

celltalk3• 8 months ago

I think there is a big business opportunity here. Make a site that let companies put their status update on local vps for $100.

ramon1565• 8 months ago

on-demand status balancing!

colinbartlett• 8 months ago

Even the Cloudflare status page, hosted by Atlassian Statuspage, is suffering. Probably due to the traffic crush.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt6• 8 months ago

Status pigeons.

alt2274• 8 months ago

Atlassian has this business model sewn up

https://www.atlassian.com/software/statuspage

codethief2• 8 months ago

Maybe that's precisely what Cloudflare did and now their status page is down because it's receiving an unusual amount of traffic that the VPS can't handle.

chrisandchris• 8 months ago

I don't get why you need such a service for a status page with 99.whatever% uptime. I mean, your status page only has to be up if everything else is down, so maybe 1% uptime is fine.

huijzer2• 8 months ago

Yep that's also my experience. Except HN because it does not use *** Cloudflare because it knows it is not necessary. I just wrote a blog titled "Do Not Put Your Site Behind Cloudflare if You Don't Need To" [1].

[1] https://huijzer.xyz/posts/123/

MinimalAction• 8 months ago

Yes, I never understand this obsession for centralized services like Cloudflare. To be fair though, if our tiny blogs anyway had a hundred or so visitors monthly, does it matter if it had an outage for a day?

Illniyar• 8 months ago

Does HN not experience DDOS? I would imagine being as popular as it is it'll experience DDOS.

firecall6• 8 months ago

Sadly, AI bots and crawlers have made CF the only affordable way to actually keep my sites up without incurring excessive image serving costs.

Those TikTok AI crawlers were destroying some of my sites.

Millions of images served to ByteSpider bots, over and over again. They wouldn't stop. It was relentless abuse. :-(

Now I've just blocked them all with CF.

zzzeek3• 8 months ago

~~two~~ three comments on that:

1. DDOS protection is not the only thing anymore, I use cloudflare because of vast amounts of AI bots from thousands of ASNs around the world crawling my CI servers (bloated Java VMs on very undersized hosts) and bringing them down (granted, I threw cloudflare onto my static sites as well which was not really necessary, I just liked their analytics UX)

2. the XKCD comic is mis-interpreted there, that little block is small because it's a "small open source project run by one person", cloudflare is the opposite of that

3. edit: also cloudflare is awesome if you are migrating hosts, did a migration this past month, you point cloudflare to the new servers and it's instant DNS propagation (since you didnt propagate anything :) )

ramon1565• 8 months ago

Last time I tried this I got DDoS'd so I don't see a reason to step away from CF. That said, this is the price I pay

davedx2• 8 months ago

All my stuff is working. Things on GCP. Things on Fly.io. Tooling I use.

"Only" 10% of the internet is behind Cloudflare so far ;)

grabcadder2• 8 months ago

Happy for you :)

I am curious about these two things:

1- Does GCP also have any outages recently similar to AWS, Azure or CF? If a similar size (14 TB?) DDoS were to hit GCP, would it stand or would it fail?

2- If this DDoS was targeting Fly.io, would it stand? :)

compumike2• 8 months ago

Could always just use a status page that updates itself. For my side project Total Real Returns [1], if you scroll down and look at the page footer, I have a live status/uptime widget [2] (just an <img> tag, no JS) which links to an externally-hosted status page [3]. Obviously not critical for a side project, but kind of neat, and was fun to build. :)

[1] https://totalrealreturns.com/

[2] https://status.heyoncall.com/svg/uptime/zCFGfCmjJN6XBX0pACYY...

[3] https://status.heyoncall.com/o/zCFGfCmjJN6XBX0pACYY

jcfrei• 8 months ago

This is unrelated to the cloudflare incident but thanks a lot for making that page. I keep checking it from time to time and it's basically the main data source for my long term investing.

touristtam• 8 months ago

Thankfully the usual social media are still up ... oh wait https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c629pny4gl7o

talonx• 8 months ago

BetterStack did report issues with some of their services, but they were not very informative.

nnyms1• 8 months ago

I got several emails from some uptime monitors I setup due to failing checks on my website and funnily enough I cannot log into any of them.

BetterStack, InStatus and HetrixTools seemingly all use Cloudflare on their dashboards, which means I can't login but I keep getting "your website/API is down" emails.

Update: I also can't login to UptimeRobot and Pulsetic. Now, I am getting seriously concerned about the sheer degree of centralization we have for CDNs/login turnstiles on Cloudflare.

MrKh4n2• 8 months ago

What is happening to cloudflare, anybody knows? Everything is down!

chromehearts2• 8 months ago

And here I was wondering why my website shut down & why I couldn't tweet about it

prityush14• 8 months ago

when ig went down, I came to X to post Now that X is down, is hn the place to be

m11a• 8 months ago

So ... any bets the cause isn't DNS?

pc2g4d4• 8 months ago

We still doing BGP update typos?

marcosdumay2• 8 months ago

Nope. Looks like they have a DNS-like configuration manager...

reassess_blind7• 8 months ago

Who wants to join me at the Winchester for a pint, and wait for this all to blow over?

Dilettante_5• 8 months ago

Got some red on you...

enceeee2• 8 months ago

poland down

BilalBudhani• 8 months ago

everything is down except HN :D

jsheard• 8 months ago

The just-one-big-server-in-someones-basement stack remains undefeated.

gjsman-1000• 8 months ago

I don’t know; HN historically has had way worse uptime than Cloudflare.

mambru• 8 months ago

Except it isn't that big?

allanmacgregor• 8 months ago

Digg.com is working perfectly hahahaha

mrweasel• 8 months ago

It's a little surprising how little it affect me. I believe it's around 20% of websites that use CloudFlare in some form or another.

52-6F-624• 8 months ago

Bunnycdn lives

mlashcorp• 8 months ago

Pagerduty is up

ask2sk• 8 months ago

Yes, all sites are down. Getting a 500 error from India.

Update: Looks like the issue has been resolved now. All sites are operational now.

enceeee2• 8 months ago

Poland down

bobbywalnuts• 8 months ago

Down in Australia and New Zealand

mak83• 8 months ago

it took X , supabase down as well.

kgwxd• 8 months ago

My Window System seems to be working fine.

taneq• 8 months ago

Aw man, how dare this affect me personally? :P (Tried to get to openstreetmap.org which is behind cloudflare.)

baccatore• 8 months ago

Tokyo too

elborbentley• 8 months ago

Down... "Please unblock challenges.cloudflare.com to proceed." On every Cloudflare hosted website that I try. This timing SUCKS.......... please resolve fast! <3

binanabread• 8 months ago

aaa the only night im free to watch nana and cloudfare sabotages me T_T

chistev6• 8 months ago

How come HN is never down with all these outages?

meeb• 8 months ago

Because HN doesn't use Cloudflare.

chistev6• 8 months ago

Also doesn't use AWS or Azure because it didn't go down with them either.

ardfard• 8 months ago

Does HN self-host too?

sph2• 8 months ago

How? It's literally impossible to run a major website these days without Cloudflare.

This is what you get for being lazy and choosing to making the internet more centralized.

Bender3• 8 months ago

HN is just one active and one standby server at M5 Computer Security running BSD.

pmlnr• 8 months ago

There are things out there which are running from a bare metal host, without relying on someone else's computer (aka the cloud). HN is one of them.

duckerduck• 8 months ago

They stopped using Cloudflare some time ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18188832

rwaksmunski• 8 months ago

FreeBSD on bare metal hooked up to a nice network.

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

HN is running on the server the rest of the cloud rents time from.

The outages are the Roomba.

materikzen• 8 months ago

facing cloudflare downtime

gbil• 8 months ago

The irony is that if you follow the relevant link [1]in the error page , you get this

If the problem isn’t resolved in the next few minutes, it’s most likely an issue with the web server you were trying to reach.

[1] https://www.cloudflare.com/5xx-error-landing/?utm_source=err...

jpartridge13• 8 months ago

using a cloudflare tunnel for local dev work, completely down

gbajson• 8 months ago

Poland. Most of the popular sites are down. Including community forum on Cloudflare.

djsjajah• 8 months ago

I went to check how many services are being impacted on down detector, but it was down.

stachoo• 8 months ago

Warsaw, Los Angeles and Newark down

greatgib• 8 months ago

What is funny us that on their global status list for services, everything looks green except "network" that is "offline".

virajk_316• 8 months ago

I was shouting at network guy/colleague, how come challenges.cloudflare.com got blocked!! damn, I must apologise to him.

yipbub• 8 months ago

Probably better not to shout in the first place.

virajk_316• 8 months ago

It was friendly fire, nothing serious. haha

enidjv• 8 months ago

Don't worry beer gonna fix everything

uniq7• 8 months ago

Even if he blocked it by accident, that is not a reason to shout.

Shouting will not prevent errors, and you are only creating a hostile work environment where not acting is better than the risk of making a mistake and triggering an aggressive response from your part.

virajk_316• 8 months ago

It wasn't aggressive exchange, but will definitely consider your comment.

mlrtime4• 8 months ago

There is nothing else to do since CF is down... so.

There is nothing wrong with shouting during a perceived outage. Shouting is just raising your voice to give a notion of urgency. Yelling is different.

How often have you heard "shout at me", or something like that?

OP, continue you to shout when its needed, just don't yell at people you work with ;)

KabuTheSilicon5• 8 months ago

akxeder.eth.ac is working

jpartridge13• 8 months ago

ironically downdetector.com is down because they use cloudflare for challenges

rvz3• 8 months ago

Probably a good time to contact the CEO of Cloudflare.

Looking forward to the post-mortem.

punk_hazard• 8 months ago

It also took chatgpt and claude , trying to access from pk

dodyg• 8 months ago

chatgpt.com is not working because they are relying on cloudflare for challenges

conradfr• 8 months ago

I thought I would be clever by switching domain endpoints from proxied to dns but Cloudflare admin page is also not working correctly ;)

edit: it's up!

edit: it's down!

buybackoff• 8 months ago

The main bike rental Velib in Paris has the app not working, but the bikes can be taken with NFC. However, my station, which is always full at this time, is now empty, with only 2 bad bikes. It maybe related. Yet, push notifications are working.

I'm going to take the metro now and thinking how long do we have until the entire transit network goes down because of a similar incident.

terezatizkova• 8 months ago

Europe down

varshneydevansh• 8 months ago

I was about to cream watching my fav video on X and it is down

donglong3• 8 months ago

genuinely makes me sad for the people there. this must be a living nightmare right now.

vntok2• 8 months ago

Why? If any company has enough technical people, resources & processes in place it must be them, no?

bongocot• 8 months ago

Down in Taiwan

ehsamm3• 8 months ago

YESS

password9992• 8 months ago

500 from Thailand

finlayy2• 8 months ago

Ironic, cloudflare taking downdetector with it

ehsamm3• 8 months ago

yess ddos

password9992• 8 months ago

500 from thailand

miiniiiie3• 8 months ago

Feels like 25% of the Internet is down just because of fuckin' cloudflare.

I'm leaving the redaction because I couldn't work atm...

Time for a beer , greetings from germany!

Blivpedia• 8 months ago

I thought it was problem with my network lol XD

dmezzetti• 8 months ago

This one is bigger than the AWS East outage...

finlayy2• 8 months ago

Ironic, Cloudflare taking DownDetector with it

Odablock• 8 months ago

Forced to play Runescape now

ehsamm3• 8 months ago

I learned from reliable sources about a denial-of-service attack; everything went down.

ahmadrifai123• 8 months ago

Indonesia down also

GooniestGoon• 8 months ago

Bruh I was watching porn on Twitter, I thought the FBI got my ahh.

benedictboppler3• 8 months ago

username fits...

SallysField4• 8 months ago

Who the fuck talks like this

mak83• 8 months ago

It took supabase and X down for me

KabuTheSilicon5• 8 months ago

akxeder.eth.ac is not down

acomjean• 8 months ago

The non profit I volunteer at is unreachable. It gives a cloudflare error page which is sort of helpful. It tells me the the site is ok but cloudflare has an 500.

It’s been great, but I always wonder when a company starts doing more than it’s initially calling. There have been a ton of large attacks, tons of bot scrappers so it’s the Wild West.

jpartridge13• 8 months ago

yes they're spreading themselves very thin with lots of new releases/products - but they will lose a lot of customers if their reliability comes into question

MTGR2• 8 months ago

Such a shame though. I wonder how long it's going to take before they bring it back up

neya• 8 months ago

The biggest learning for me from this incident - NEVER make your DNS provider and CDN provider the same vendor. Now, I can't login into the dashboard, even to switch the DNS. Sigh.

rollulus• 8 months ago

Classic. I see issues. Vendor’s status page is all green. Go to HN to find the confirmation. Applies to AWS, GH, everyone.

Edit: beautiful, this decentralised design of the internet.

markild2• 8 months ago

I get the feeling that all "serious" businesses have manual processes for publicly facing status pages, for political reasons.

I don't like it.

bnjm• 8 months ago

SLA breaches have consequences, no big conspiracy there

skywhopper2• 8 months ago

At some level, the status updates have to be manual. Any automation you try to build on top is inevitably going to break in a crisis situation.

Aurornis4• 8 months ago

I’ve written before on HN about when my employer hired several ex-FAANG people to manage all things cloud in our company.

Whenever there was an outage they would put up a fight against anyone wanting to update the status page to show the outage. They had so many excuses and reasons not to.

Eventually we figured out that they were planning to use the uptime figures for requesting raises and promos as they did at their FAANG employer, so anything that reduced that uptime number was to be avoided at all costs.

mvkel3• 8 months ago

It's because if you automate it, something could/would happen to the little script that defines "uptime," and if that goes down, suddenly you're in violation of your SLA and all of your customers start demanding refunds/credits/etc. when everything is running fine.

Or let's say your load balancer croaks, triggering a "down" status, but it's 3am, so a single server is handling traffic just fine? In short, defining "down" in an automated way is just exposing internal tooling unnecessarily and generates more false positives than negatives.

Lastly, if you are allowed 45 minutes of downtime per year and it takes you an hour to manually update the status page, you just bought yourself an extra hour to figure out how to fix the problem before you have to start issuing refunds/credits.

mrgoldenbrown• 8 months ago

FWIW, cloudflare's status page is showing red currently.

agos• 8 months ago

I usually get notifications from the sales/CS team way before the status page/incident list has any blip. This time was not an exception

webdoodle• 8 months ago

It's as if they wanted an internet kill switch. /S

Bro13094• 8 months ago

All Cloudflare websites are down!!!! When will it get fixed? I dont have time.!!

miiniiiie3• 8 months ago

Couldn't work. Fuckin' cloudflare . Feels like 25% of the Internet is down.

Im going home. Time for a beer .

Greetings from germany

saubeidl4• 8 months ago

Cloud in general was a mistake. We took a system explicitly designed for decentralization and resilience and centralized it and created a few neat points of failure to take the whole damn thing down.

is_true2• 8 months ago

It took me a while to understand it, but the beauty of it is that when it fails, lot of things fail.

Almost no one gets mad if your site and half the internet were down.

saubeidl4• 8 months ago

Sure, but that is also a giant weakness. Say in a future conflict with Russia or China, or hell, even North Korea.

They'd only have to take down a few services to completely cripple the West - the exact case ARPANET was designed to prevent.

mosselman• 8 months ago

Cloudflare provides some nice services that have nothing to do with cloud or not. You can self-host private tunnels, application firewalls, traffic filtering, etc, or you can focus on building your application and managing your servers.

I am a self-host enthousiast. So I use Hetzner, Kamal and other tools for self-managing our servers, but we still have Cloudflare in front of them because we didn't want to handle the parts I mentioned (yet, we might sometime).

Calling it a mistake is a very narrow look at it. Just because it goes down every now and then, it isn't a mistake. Going for cloud or not has its trade-offs and I agree that paying 200 dollars a month for a 1GB Heroku Redis instance is complete madness when you can get a 4GB VPS on Hetzner for 3,8 a month. Then again, some people are willing to make that trade-off for not having to manage the servers.

Cloud servers have taught me so much about working with servers because they are so easy and cheap to spin up, experiment with and then get rid of again. If I had had to buy racks and host them each time I wanted to try something, I would've never done it.

locallost• 8 months ago

Thanks, I was too lazy to write this, and noticed this comment multiple times now. It's good to be sceptical at times, but in this case it simply misses the mark.

saubeidl4• 8 months ago

Sure, it's a great fair-weather technology, makes some things cheap and easy.

But in the face of adversity, it's a huge liability. Imagine Chinese Hackers taking down AWS, Cloudflare, Azure and GCP simultaneously in some future conflict. Imagine what that would do to the West.

I don't believe in Fukuyamas End of History. History is still happening, and the choices we make will determine how it plays out.

nijave• 8 months ago

Threat actors (DDoS) and AI scraping already threw a wrench in decentralization. It's become quite difficult to host anything even marginally popular without robust infrastructure that can eat a lot of traffic

firecall6• 8 months ago

10.30pm here in Australia...

and my alarms are going off my and support line is ringing...

I cant even login to my CF dashboard to disable the CDN!

Edit: It's back. Hopefully it will stay up!

Edit 2: 1 Hour Later.

Narrator: It didn't stay up :/

jpdus• 8 months ago

germany as well. Claude down too

Culonavirus• 8 months ago

X, Chatgpt, all kinds of sites and services around the eu, it's a massive outage

ReedorReed• 8 months ago

There is an election in Denmark today, I wonder if this will affect that. The governments website is not accessible at the moment because it uses Cloudflare.

baaron• 8 months ago

My tinfoil hat has me wondering if it's just coincidence.

orangeyjuicey• 8 months ago

So do we have a guarantee that posts are not made by AI for a few minutes?

tzpbingo2• 8 months ago

20% of websites worldwide are down.

ramon1565• 8 months ago

source? would love to see

ed_mercer2• 8 months ago

I got an invoice from them right before the outage. Hopefully when they restore everything, they'll have forgotten about it!

MTGR2• 8 months ago

It's back up, sites are working. Still wonder how long it's going to last. IF there's another blackout.

Bro13094• 8 months ago

sites aint working in india

coolgang5• 8 months ago

yes bro

thearnabsarkar• 8 months ago

Did something happen to the Cloudflare lava lamps ?

coolgang5• 8 months ago

even in india cloud fare has a outage

Brajeshwar• 8 months ago

Ah! Well, all of my websites are down! I’m going to take screenshots and have it as part of my Time Capsule Album, “Once upon a Time, my websites used to go down.”

KabuTheSilicon5• 8 months ago

Once upon a time, the end of the world happened

jameslk• 8 months ago

Cloudflare's own status page is not responding. I guess it's down too?

udev40963• 8 months ago

A good reminder for advancing decentralization and p2p networks!

cipixul3• 8 months ago

Bucharest Cloudflare down too

coolgang5• 8 months ago

even in India there is cloudfare's outage

StefanThorpe2• 8 months ago

Strange thing is this is in multiple CD regions all using bot & WAF are down, just got a colueuge to check our site and both London & Singapour cloudflare servers are out... And I cant even login to the cloudflare dash to re-route critical traffic . Likely this is accidental, but one day there will be something malicous that will have big impacts with how centralised the internet now is.

clownelon• 8 months ago

Who is laughing now Elon ?

haik90• 8 months ago

It is a relief that they hosted the status page on someone else's infrastructure.

AL1033• 8 months ago

yes absolutly yes, i have tried severak region and all of then receive 500 error

diginova• 8 months ago

https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/

even status page is giving 504 Gateway Timeout ERROR The request could not be satisfied. now in India

3xstphvs2• 8 months ago

Australia here. plenty down rn

coolgang5• 8 months ago

LETS GO ITS BACK ONN

coolgang5• 8 months ago

guys hype up its backkk

cf_py• 8 months ago

Didn't have my site on cloudflare bc it would be faster for chinese users (its main demographic) so i THOUGHT i was fine for a second until i remembered the data storage api is behind cloudflare

cipixul3• 8 months ago

claude.ai down too... lots of programmers are gonna have to pretend they code in another way...

wesrobin• 8 months ago

It's working fine for me

cipixul3• 8 months ago

Yep, seems to work cause my nearby colleague started copy/pasting massive chunks of code again.

I guess claude is more important than your average site :)

re5i5tor4• 8 months ago

For me right now, Claude.ai is down, but Claude Code (terminal, extension) seems to be up and happy. Suggests that API is probably up.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt6• 8 months ago

Easy: "the site is done, it is fantastic, but cloudflare is down so you cant see it"

sharathnryn• 8 months ago

the sheer number of websites this is taken down!

testingofindia2• 8 months ago

even popular apps like x.com, chatgpt.com are down.

tebbers• 8 months ago

My uptime monitor OnlineOrNot is also down...

rozenmd• 8 months ago

OnlineOrNot's fallen back to AWS for monitoring, so you should still be getting alerts.

The dashboard's API server runs on Cloudflare and is currently blocking all logins, will fix.

testingofindia2• 8 months ago

even the famous applications like Chatgpt, x.com are down

forthaven2• 8 months ago

I'm betting on DNS fail

Inheritor• 8 months ago

Well that was quick. I saw a status saying server maintenance. And then it changed to “we’re looking into this” must’ve made an oopsie I suppose

ChewbyP• 8 months ago

Just happy I wasnt IP banned lol

forthaven2• 8 months ago

I'm betting on another DNS failure

Bro13094• 8 months ago

Its back!

bazinga1020• 8 months ago

asd

raxxorraxor3• 8 months ago

Seems to work again. 40min downtime for many services it seems.

pc2g4d4• 8 months ago

I was reading up on home lab server racks, and every single site is down with a Cloudflare error. So much for DIY!

codeaholicguy• 8 months ago

Yes, it impacted our services https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/

Dukeares• 8 months ago

Singapore Cloudeflare Server is down.

tristanperry3• 8 months ago

ChatGPT and Claude are down as a result, too.

Y'know, along with most other SAAS services.

miiniiiie3• 8 months ago

ELON! GO AND KICK THOSE CLOUDFLARE ASSES!

or search a new job for yourself. Maybe digging to the earth core. Why? Idk. Because then you can say: I did it, or so.

crazyooly• 8 months ago

We really do have two surprise holidays every year: AWS Day and Cloudflare Day. Happy outages, everyone.

3xstphvs2• 8 months ago

it works, then stops, then works

MrPasancalla• 8 months ago

Just when I was assigned a task yesterday but decided to do it today early morning.

sansiro9• 8 months ago

Oh, look! Cloudflare is down. Let's check down detector to make sure it's not just me > Downdetector is using Cloudflare captcha. Yep, it's down.

Tixx7• 8 months ago

some sites are already up again, including the cf dash and downdetector, both ironically down a few minutes ago

Woods369• 8 months ago

syntax error: unexpected semicolon

fungungun• 8 months ago

its back !

adrianhacar• 8 months ago

The sites I host on Cloudflare are all down. Also, even ChatGPT was down for a while, showing the error: "Please unblock challenges.cloudflare.com to proceed."

dsco• 8 months ago

This is still the case for me

pelagicAustral3• 8 months ago

Things seem to be coming back up... been almost 45 minutes, since my first alert came at 0836

djiexpert• 8 months ago

My site https://mediamistrz.pl/ not working

vednig3• 8 months ago

hacked.stream was down too

ChubbyChief• 8 months ago

Down is Missouri

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

Looks like the status page is suffering too because it can't load jQuery:

(index):64 Uncaught ReferenceError: $ is not defined at (index):64:3

iamawacko• 8 months ago

Wow, so much is down. Nothing Cloudflare protected is loading for me in Indiana, and the Cloudflare dashboard is broken as well.

I hope it gets resolved in the next hour or two, or it could be a serious problem for me.

mpaepper• 8 months ago

Seems like the merging with Replit didn't work so well :p

vxworkss• 8 months ago

Glad to see things are actually working here! Also, my website (halomate.ai) is using CF too, and surprisingly, it's working fine as well

duncans• 8 months ago

You spoke too soon!

nhatcher• 8 months ago

Off topic, but the 500 page from prusa3d is quite good:

https://www.prusa3d.com/

https://imgur.com/a/OW5KL8r

mig4ng4• 8 months ago

Cloudflare Dashboard/Clicky clicky UI is down. I really appreciate that their API is still working. Small change in our Terraform configuration and now I can go lunch in peace knowing our clients at skeeled can keep working if wanted:

resource "cloudflare_dns_record"

- proxied = true

+ proxied = false

NicoJuicy3• 8 months ago

Seems to be back up

elcapitan• 8 months ago

Black HN ribbon for the Internet

tristanperry3• 8 months ago

I assume you're joking, but as an FYI, Rebecca Heineman died:

https://www.pcgamer.com/gaming-industry/legendary-game-desig...

theideaofcoffee2• 8 months ago

Love that for them. Congrats on building such a re-centralized web!

rvz3• 8 months ago

Cloudflare is now a systemic risk for a state-sponsored attacker to bring down the entire web.

ntoskrnl_exe• 8 months ago

It’s been 45 minutes and I’m already looking forward to the day Kevin Fang makes a video about this

xprice2• 8 months ago

at least https://xprice.ro is up, dont know how and why cuz we use cloudflare and we're hosting in germany/hetzner

namannarula• 8 months ago

down for india :/

xprice2• 8 months ago

interesting, working in Romania. So it's somehow related to they geo-balancing infrastructure.

tgv• 8 months ago

Seems to be over.

ravikinhajaat• 8 months ago

anyone have reference for flutter opening +917494920753

mittermayr4• 8 months ago

Even Cloudflare Status is now down, oh boy :) https://postimg.cc/LJVKYmks

carter-0• 8 months ago

Even your postimg.cc link is down for me.. (at least their CSS is)

https://ibb.co/QF6X0pX9

mittermayr4• 8 months ago

amazing

hirako20003• 8 months ago

Postimg's CDN is down

HocusLocus2• 8 months ago

catbox.moe is up

https://files.catbox.moe/9r3zgr.png

wazoox• 8 months ago

I discovered the problem by trying to access https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ ironically :)

martiuk• 8 months ago

API still seems to work if you already have a script to hand to unproxy everything.

kumarski• 8 months ago

I'm going to buy more.

chid2• 8 months ago

Took quite a while for it to show up oddly.

joemonsters• 8 months ago

Now I can switch everything off and go home. We are not using CF at our site, but CF error it is a good reason to have a day off

dheatov2• 8 months ago

Seems like coudflare activated the maximum llm-scraper-bot-protection for everyone.

digid8a2• 8 months ago

just yesterday cloudflare announced it was acquiring replicate (ai to "help" it's workers) i believe

nrhrjrjrjtntbt6• 8 months ago

You

Browser Working

San Jose

Cloudflare Error

mysite.com

Host Working

Lol! Like a solar eclipse!

bpavuk• 8 months ago

Ukraine. Sporadic outages as well. Error pages blame Cloudflare Warsaw servers.

hamish-b• 8 months ago

What a wild ride, the traffic to my site is more akin to a rollercoaster. Got better for a few mins and then fell back apart.

kosolam• 8 months ago

Still ongoing. Some requests going through. Some get the cf error page.

Fiveplus5• 8 months ago

Cloudflare is the real backbone of the internet in 2025. It should be a globalized property like ICANN or something

aeve890• 8 months ago

How would that prevent outages? Honest question

ahmedhossamdev• 8 months ago

lol

dheatov2• 8 months ago

Reminder that this is not the web we want.

yaratixal• 8 months ago

It’s down worldwide practically, in the US,UK,NZ,AU

ArvindRSingh2• 8 months ago

Even IN.

vednig3• 8 months ago

https://hacked.stream/

seydor2• 8 months ago

More proof that central planning doesn't work

sidcool3• 8 months ago

Even Twitter is down. Most of my customers are shouting at the top of their head!

sidcool3• 8 months ago

The top black bar is appropriate /s

Fiveplus5• 8 months ago

Even twitter is gone. Where will I post memes mocking cloudflare?

gethly• 8 months ago

Ha ha ha hahahahahaaaa hahahahahaaaahahaha, fuck 'em.

Dilettante_5• 8 months ago

  Our support portal provider is currently experiencing issues

Are they using Cloudflare perchance? (scnr)

raghava• 8 months ago

Most down-detectors are down due to their dependency on CF.

Cloudflare Mumbai, Bengaluru, Chennai, Hyderabad edge-nodes also unable to serve content.

x.com down.

Few quick-commerce apps are acting up at times.

import• 8 months ago

Funny that their status page shows almost all locations “Operational” but they’re not. Are they updating the page manually and keep it green?

kuylar• 8 months ago

I assume the locations are operating fine, since you can see the error pages. The culprit here is probably the Network, which at the time of writing, shows up as offline

lilppdavidson2• 8 months ago

I’m assuming hard rock (bet) is run by cloudflare also

azholder3• 8 months ago

what's a good alternative for their WAF, that isn't enterprise expensive?

nrhrjrjrjtntbt6• 8 months ago

Is it DNS or BGP?

meepmorp• 8 months ago

Why settle for just one?

hypeatei• 8 months ago

Why do people use the reverse proxy functionality of Cloudflare? I've worked at small to medium sized businesses that never had any of this while running public facing websites and they were/are just fine.

Same goes for my personal projects: I've never been worried about being targeted by a botnet so much that I introduce a single point of failure like this.

xyzzy9563• 8 months ago

It gives really good caching functionality so you can have large amounts of traffic and your site can easily handle it. Plus they don't charge for egress traffic.

arccy• 8 months ago

people think that running nodejs servers are a good idea, and those fall over if there's ever so much as a stiff breeze, so they put cloudflare in front and call it a day.

lofaszvanitt5• 8 months ago

It's chic. Young bois or adult pepl with boi like mentality.

What, they have Cloudflare and we don't? We also must have cloudflare. Don't ask why.

Now that you have it, you are at least level 15 and not a peasant.

Same applies to every braindead framework on the web. The gadget mind of the bois is the cause for all this.

thoroughburro• 8 months ago

I’m surprised your projects aren’t plagued by massive waves of scraping traffic like the rest of us. Count yourself lucky, not superior.

q3k8• 8 months ago

What exactly are you serving that bot traffic affects your quality of service?

I've seen an RPi serve a few dozen QPS of dynamic content without issue... The only service I've had actually get successfully taken down by benign bots is a Gitea-style git forges (which was 'fixed' by deploying Anubis in front of it).

pqdbr3• 8 months ago

Any project that starts gaining any bit of traction get's hammered with bots (the ones that try every single /wp url even tough you don't even use Wordpress), frequent DDoS attacks, and so on.

I consider my server's real IP (or load balancer IP) as a secret for that reason, and Cloudflare helps exactly with that.

Everything goes through Cloudflare, where we have rate limiters, Web firewall, challenges for China / Russian inbound requests (we are very local and have zero customers outside our country), and so on.

digid8a2• 8 months ago

just yesterday cloudflare announced it was acquiring replicate (ai platform) "the Workers Platform mission: Our goal all along has been to enable developers to build full-stack applications without having to burden themselves with infrastructure" according to cloudflare's blog, are we cooked?

lilppdavidson2• 8 months ago

I’m assuming Hard Rock (Bet) is run by Cloudflare too

azholder3• 8 months ago

Lots of valid concern about us all using CF, but is their an alternative to their WAF that isn't enterprise expensive?

PhilippGille• 8 months ago

Depends on your needs, but for example there's Bunny Shield: https://bunny.net/shield/

azholder3• 8 months ago

Thanks for the pointer. They'd still wind up being a couple thousand dollars more annually than what we pay CF now.

Frustrating, because I know I'll get asked today if we have an alternative to using CF, and I don't have a good answer.

ovx• 8 months ago

Yep, bunny.net is great, we also use it. And look at https://altcha.org as a Turnstile replacement

Fiveplus5• 8 months ago

For fun, I asked google what's an alternative to Cloudflare. It says, "A complete list of Cloudflare alternatives depends on which specific service (CDN, security, Zero Trust, edge computing, etc.) you are replacing, as no single competitor offers the exact same all-in-one suite"

chr15m• 8 months ago

Imagine using an all-in-one suite.

ArvindRSingh2• 8 months ago

Using Cloudflare is a tradeoff between facing DDoS and other attacks, and the downtime of Cloudflare.

Fiveplus5• 8 months ago

I would love to be a bee on the wall in the room where Cloudflare response engineers are working right now.

littlecranky672• 8 months ago

AWS, then Azure, now Cloudflare. Welcome to the AI era. Meanwhile my hetzner vServer has been running for three years without issues.

yeehaw125• 8 months ago

The irony of being in the middle of reading how Basecamp got off the cloud and the external link being down with a CF error :D

EvanAnderson• 8 months ago

We've traded DDoS for centralized DoS.

rikafurude213• 8 months ago

centralized incompetency causes distributed denial of service

mintflow• 8 months ago

Recently my multiple VPN server nodes just randomly cannot connect to cloudflare CDN IPs, from different provider VPS, while the Host Linux network does not have the issue; vpp share the same address with Linux and use tc stateless NAT to do the trick.

I finally work around this by change the tcp options sent by vpp tcp stack.

But the whole thing made me worry there must be something deployed which cause this issue.

But I do not think that related with this network issue, it just reminds me the above, I feel there are frequently new articles about cloudflare networking, maybe new method or new deployment sort of related high probability of issues

rco87865• 8 months ago

Is it me or has there been a very noticeable uptick in large scale infra-level outages lately? AWS, Cloudflare, etc have all been way under whatever SLA they publish.

alt2274• 8 months ago

For me the only silver lining to all these cloud outages is now we know that their published SLA times mean absolutely nothing. The number of 9's used to at least give an indication of intent of reliability, now they are twisted to whatever metric the company wants to represent and dont actually represent guaranteed uptime anywhere.

bojangleslover2• 8 months ago

So true. AWS for example gives only platform credits in the event of an outage. Basically no recourse or insurance.

dimastopel• 8 months ago

GCP was down recently as well

guyfromfargo• 8 months ago

Don’t forget that Azure was down two weeks ago as well.

driverdan• 8 months ago

It's you. Everything does down once in a while.

codethief2• 8 months ago

Don't forget Azure Front Door / half of Azure.

weberer2• 8 months ago

Yeah, but that's just standard for Azure.

AsmaraHolding• 8 months ago

Some of the other commenters here have posited a "vibe code theory". As the amount of vibe code in production increases, so does the number of bugs and, therefore, the number of outages.

ACCount372• 8 months ago

None of the recent major outages were traced down to "vibe coding" or anything of the sort. They appear to be the kind of misconfigurations and networking fuckups that existed since Internet became more complex than 3 routers.

fransje26• 8 months ago

Speaking of "vibe-coding", I wonder how much their own outage is affecting their ability to vibe-code their way out of it.. :-)

The openai login page says:

    Please unblock challenges.cloudflare.com to proceed.

swed4204• 8 months ago

Some of the other commenters here have posited a "vibe code theory". As the amount of vibe code in production increases, so does the number of bugs and, therefore, the number of outages.

Likely this coupled with the mass brain damage caused by never-ending COVID re-infections.

Since vaccines don't prevent transmission, and each re-infection increases the chances of long COVID complications, the only real protection right now is wearing a proper respirator everywhere you go, and basically nobody is doing that anymore.

chid2• 8 months ago

it definitely feels like it.

tristanperry3• 8 months ago

My theory is a state-sponsored actor targeting some of these services, but maybe that's just too 'tinfoil hat' of me, who knows.

wepple• 8 months ago

There are usually very comprehensive post mortems for these events, and none have suggested that at all

bflesch• 8 months ago

This only amplifies the often-repeated propaganda about the "very powerful" enemies of democracy, who in fact are very fragile dictatorships. There's enough incompetence at tech companies to f up their own stuff.

rozap• 8 months ago

My theory is DNS.

roxolotl• 8 months ago

The theory I’ve heard is holiday deploy freezes coupled with Q4 goals creates pressure to get things in quickly and early. It’s all been in the last month or so which does line up.

grobins2• 8 months ago

The obvious answer is to cancel holidays.

rco87865• 8 months ago

What's different about this Q4 vs the last 20 years of Q4s?

trollbridge6• 8 months ago

Coincidentally, large tech companies have been conducting mass layoffs and claim they're going to rely on AI much more to replace junior developers.

MaxHoppersGhost• 8 months ago

And they are offshoring roles to lower quality devs.

Aurornis4• 8 months ago

That does seem to be a coincidence, as the recent outages making headlines (including this one according to early reports) have been associated with huge traffic spikes. It seems DDoS are reaching a new level.

xnx• 8 months ago

By similar thinking, you could blame large tech companies if they hired too many juniors.

6c696e7578• 8 months ago

Interestingly, chatgpt was unavailable due to the same cloudflare outage.

elric• 8 months ago

I suspect the number of outages is the same, but the number of sites putting all of their eggs into these two baskets has grown considerably.

mikece• 8 months ago

Any chance our friend Vladamir is behind this?

kqr• 8 months ago

If it's any guidance, US cyber risk insurance (which covers among other things disruptions due to supplier outages) has continuously dropped in price since Q1 2023, with a handful of percent per year.

If you excuse the sloppy plot manually transcribed from market index data: https://i.xkqr.org/cyberinsurancecost.png

zulban2• 8 months ago

Unless you're making that determination statistically, it's probably pereidolia. See here: https://behavioralscientist.org/yates-expect-unexpected-why-...

whalesalad• 8 months ago

Somewhere, at a floating desk behind a wall of lava lamps, in a nyancatified ghostty terminal with 32 different shader plugins installed:

You're absolutely right! I shouldn't have force pushed that change to master. Let me try and roll it back. * Confrobulating* Oh no! Cloudflare appears to be down and I cannot revert the change. Why don't you go make a cup of coffee until that comes back. This code is production ready, it's probably just a blip.

1zael• 8 months ago

Well AWS runs on Cloudflare...so thanks Cloudflare team!

agile-gift0262• 8 months ago

In the beginning I thought my IP fell on the wrong side of Cloudflare and thought I was being blocked from ~80% of the internet. I was starting to panic

BatteryMountain2• 8 months ago

What have you been looking at citizen?

BatteryMountain2• 8 months ago

Whole bunch of local South African sites are dead, with cloudflare http 500 errors. Can see Lisbon & Amsterdam crashing out.

BrouteMinou• 8 months ago

Do you remember when the Internet was redundant and resilient?

It seems 20% of the Internet is down every two weeks now.

KabuTheSilicon5• 8 months ago

70% of the internet is down

chakintosh• 8 months ago

The whole internet hinges on this one company

DC-33• 8 months ago

Certainly most of the independent internet.

Ilikeruby• 8 months ago

if you include amazon its actually 2

turnsout• 8 months ago

This is reason 1, 2 and 3 on my "Top 3 Reasons to not Put All Eggs in One Basket" list.

TheForeseer• 8 months ago

Israel must be testing it's doomsday plans again

Wonder if the internet will soon be deleted.

nonsensewatcher• 8 months ago

Sure, blame the Jews. Idiot.

sxzygz• 8 months ago

To be clear, they blamed Israel. Not that it helps make what they said any less idiotic.

aurise• 8 months ago

Waking up in East coast USA to all sites being down, yay...

IsaGuyHere• 8 months ago

What is that bright yellow thing in the sky?

nottorp• 8 months ago

They offer a great service for now, i hear.

Unfortunately, that means they can also break 75% of the internet.

skeptrune• 8 months ago

Feels like it's been a rough year for huge infra outages man :(.

leejongyon• 8 months ago

Under Attack? SO DO I!

NicoJuicy3• 8 months ago

Third time's the charm? Seems more stable now.

karel-3d• 8 months ago

More vibe code gets into production. AWS, Azure and Cloudflare all have major issues.

Coincidence? I think not.

brenoRibeiro706• 8 months ago

Ironically, I was trying to access https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ at the time, which also went down due to Cloudflare.

madjam0023• 8 months ago

Can't even change my nameservers away from Cloudflare as Namecheap use Cloudflare!!

brightball• 8 months ago

Oh seriously! Thats one I didn’t realize.

52-6F-624• 8 months ago

The nameservers themselves seem to be working fine if anyone is wondering.

I run my applications on OVH behind BunnyCDN and all is well.

sdoering2• 8 months ago

Just checked INWX from here in Germany. I was able to log in and get to my DNS records. Just if you should be looking for an alternative after all this.

madjam0023• 8 months ago

Yes I will be looking, thanks for the rec!

b0ner_t0ner• 8 months ago

Namesilo as well.

theli0nheart• 8 months ago

You can't even turn off caching from Cloudflare because...the Cloudflare dashboard is down.

So everyone who's wrapped their host with Cloudflare is stuck with it.

isodude• 8 months ago

When will Cloudflare actually split into several totally independent companies to remedy that they bring down the Internet every time they have a major issue?

ericzawo• 8 months ago

I tried to go to Downdetector before coming to Hacker News...

laurentiurad• 8 months ago

Probably they adopted vibe coding as the main way to write code

Chrovus3• 8 months ago

are we cooked :l

Chrovus3• 8 months ago

are we cooked?

bamboozled4• 8 months ago

Not out of the woods yet it seems...

Chrovus3• 8 months ago

im just concerned now :l

cornonthecobra• 8 months ago

I'm weary of the broader internet having spofs like AWS and Cloudflare. Can't change routing or DNS horizons to get around it. Things are just broken in ways that are not only opaque, but destructive due to so much relying on fragile sync state.

Will my Spelling Bee QBABM count today, or will it fail and tomorrow I find out that last MA(4) didn't register, ruining my streak? Society cannot function like this! /s

p1dda• 8 months ago

Cloudflare fucking sucks

misswaterfairy4• 8 months ago

During our attempts to remediate, we have disabled WARP [their VPN service] access in London. Users in London trying to access the Internet via WARP will see a failure to connect. Posted 4 minutes ago. Nov 18, 2025 - 13:04 UTC

Is Cloudflare being attacked...?

fergie• 8 months ago

This line also gave me that vibe

misswaterfairy4• 8 months ago

We have made changes that have allowed Cloudflare Access [their 'zero-trust network access solution'] and WARP to recover. Error levels for Access and WARP users have returned to pre-incident rates. We have re-enabled WARP access in London.
We are continuing to work towards restoring other services. Posted 12 minutes ago. Nov 18, 2025 - 13:13 UTC

Now I'm really suspicious that they were attacked...

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

I will bet it's routing misconfig.

aberoham• 8 months ago

Someone running cloudflared accidentally advertising a critical route into their Warp namespace and somehow disrupting routes for internal Cloudflare services doesn't seem too far fetched.

We vibe coded a tool to mass disconnect Cloudflare Warp for incident responders: https://github.com/aberoham/unwarp

To go along with the shenanigans around dealing with MITM traffic inspection https://github.com/aberoham/fuwarp

wiradikusuma• 8 months ago

I used to say, "Don't worry, we host it on Cloudflare. If it's down, then 30% internet is down. It's highly unlikely."

Well...

brycewray• 8 months ago

You weren't wrong, but There Will Be Days Like This.

ProllyInfamous• 8 months ago

Three this year, so far.

ziml77• 8 months ago

Yes but you also get to say "We're down? Yes of course we're down, 30% of the internet is down. Nothing we can do"

afroboy• 8 months ago

Like the old saying: Nobody Ever Got Fired for Buying IBM.

benedictboppler3• 8 months ago

"The issue has been identified and a fix is being implemented." According to CF a minute ago: https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/8gmgl950y3h7

nixass• 8 months ago

Let me guess, DNS issues?

gianpaj• 8 months ago

i use checklyhq.com for my website status page and those are down as well...

https://sexyvoice.checkly-dashboards.com

skc• 8 months ago

Bluesky still chugging along.

Just saying.

pogue2• 8 months ago

They are decentralized with servers all on the East coast that they self host. They do have points of failure that can take down the whole network, however.

lordofgibbons• 8 months ago

How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down? This centralization is very worrying.

ekianjo2• 8 months ago

because cloudfare protection blah blah, until cloudfare is down itself and then you are back to "who watches the watchmen"

k12sosse• 8 months ago

That's easy, the watchmen watchmen watch the watchmen.

ec1096852• 8 months ago

Totally cooked if you have Cloudflare fronting us-east-1, with no redundancies.

tacker20002• 8 months ago

The mother of all bad infra decisions.

a012• 8 months ago

They have multi cloud infra, between us-east-1 and Azure

lbreakjai3• 8 months ago

It could be worse. You could have a backup on Azure.

cj2• 8 months ago

Except businesses love it.

A lot (and I mean a lot) of people in IT like centralization specifically because it’s hard to blame people for doing something that everyone else is doing.

iso1631• 8 months ago

And HN users love it too. I've had people on this site say how great it is that their system routes 30% of traffic on the internet.

I'd be horrified. That's not the internet or computing industries I grew up with, or started working in.

But as long as the SPY keeps hitting > 10% returns each year, everyone's happy.

chb• 8 months ago

"No one gets fired for buying IBM!"

lforster• 8 months ago

They're using cloudfare for multicloud, but still have cloudfare as a single point of failure. Should make a cloudfare for cloudfare to solve this.

MichaelZuo• 8 months ago

If there’s clearly a single point of failure shouldn’t it be called a single cloud pretending to be “multicloud”?

nexttk• 8 months ago

Like the infamous "smiling through the pain" meme:

"I added a load-balancer to improve system reliability" (happy)

"Load balancer crashed" (smiling-through-the-pain)

kevin_thibedeau• 8 months ago

Failover to Akamai.

amalcon2• 8 months ago

You jest, but this actually does exist. Multiple CDNs sell multi-CDN load balancing (divide traffic between 2+ CDNs per variously-complicated specifications, with failover) as a value add feature, and IIRC there is at least one company for which this is the marquee feature. It's also relatively doable in-house as these things go.

joeiq2• 8 months ago

Is avoiding single point of failure in anyone’s playbook? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

whstl2• 8 months ago

We only care about it when it's time to complain about the work of individual people.

Companies can always do as they please and people will rationalize anything.

seydor2• 8 months ago

Slowly and with full conscience of where we were heading to.

majani• 8 months ago

Now that network effects and data lock-in have taken root, downtime is not as big of a concern as it was in the 2000s

swyx4• 8 months ago

except, yknow, where peoples lives and livelihoods depend on access to information/being able to do things on exact time. aws and cloudflare are disqualifying themselves from hospitals and military and whatnot.

amw-zero• 8 months ago

What does this even mean? Because people have locked in their data, they’re ok with downtime? I can’t imagine a world where this is true.

bikamonki• 8 months ago

Compliance. If you wanna sell your SAAS to big corpo, their compliance teams will feel you know what you're doing if they read AWS or Cloudflare on your architecture, even if you do not quite know what you're doing.

ulrikrasmussen• 8 months ago

Yeah, I went to HN after the third web page didn't work. I am not just worried about the single point of failure, I am much more worried about this centralization eventually shaping the future standards of the web and making it de facto impossible to self-host anything.

Well that and the fact that when 99% goes through a central party, then that central party will be very interesting for authoritarian governments to apply sweeping censorship rules to.

popcorncowboy• 8 months ago

eventually shaping the future standards of the web and making it de facto impossible to self-host anything

Eventually?

sankalpmukim• 8 months ago

It is already nearly impossible/very expensive in my country to be able to get a public IP address (Even IPv6) which you could host on. World is heavily moving towards centrally dependant on these big Cloud providers.

bilekas4• 8 months ago

This topic is raised every time there is an outage with cloudflare and the truth of the matter is, they offer an incredible service, there is not a bit enough competition to deal with it. By definition their services are so good BECAUSE their adoption rate is so high.

It's very frustrating of course, and it's the nature of the beast.

blazinglyfast• 8 months ago

False dichotomy. Both can be true.

fithisux• 8 months ago

Hacking software or hardware is so old school.

The target these days is the user.

The make-believe worm.

afavour4• 8 months ago

Because no one cares enough, including users.

Oddly this centralization allows a complete deferral of blame without you even doing anything: if you’re down, that’s bad. But if you’re down, Spotify is down, social media is down… then “the internet is broken” and you don’t look so bad.

It also reduces your incentive to change, if “the internet is down” people will put down their device and do something else. Even if your web site is up they’ll assume it isn’t.

I’m not saying this is a good thing but I’m simply being realistic about why we ended up where we are.

alentred• 8 months ago

There is an upside too. Us humans, we also need our down time occasionally.

timeon6• 8 months ago

But Spotify was not down. One social media was down.

This:

if you’re down, that’s bad. But if you’re down, Spotify is down, social media is down… then “the internet is broken” and you don’t look so bad.

is just marketing. If you are down with some other websites it is still bad.

BeFlatXIII2• 8 months ago

if “the internet is down” people will put down their device and do something else

In this case, the internet should be down more often.

tjoff• 8 months ago

Users have no options because... everything has been centralized. So it doesn't matter if users care or not.

Users are never a consideration today anyway.

ocdtrekkie4• 8 months ago

This is essentially the entire IT excuse for going to anything cloud. I see IT engineers all the time justifying that the downtime stops being their problem and they stop being to blame for it. There's zero personal responsibility in trying to preserve service, because it isn't "their problem" anymore. Anyone who thinks the cloud makes service more reliable is absolutely kidding themselves, because everyone who made the decision to go that way already knows it isn't true, it just won't be their problem to fix it.

If anyone in the industry actually cared about reliability and took personal stake in their system being up, everyone would be back on-prem.

PunchyHamster2• 8 months ago

More like "don't have choice". It's not like service provider gonna go to competition, because before you switch, it will be back.

Frankly it's a blessing, always being able to blame the cloud that management forced company to migrate to be "cheaper" (which half of the time turns out to be false anyway)

marticode2• 8 months ago

As a user I do care, because I waste so much time on Cloudflare's "prove you are human" blocking-page (why do I have to prove it over and over again?), and frequently run on websites blocking me entirely based on some bad IP-blacklist used along with Cloudflare.

baxtr• 8 months ago

Who cares if a couple of websites are down a day or even two?

As long as HN is up and running, everything is going to be O.K.!

LtWorf2• 8 months ago

Because no one cares enough, including users.

When have users been asked about anything?

lxgr2• 8 months ago

Many people care, but none of them can (sufficiently) change the underlying incentive structure to effect the necessary changes.

mistrial9• 8 months ago

Because no one cares enough, including users.

this is like a bad motivational speaker talk.. heavy exhortations with a dramatic lack of actual reasoning.

Systems are difficult, people. It is "incentives" of parties and lockin by tech design and vendors, not lack of individual effort.

delfinom3• 8 months ago

Eh? It's because they are offering a service too good to refuse.

The internet this day is fucking dangerous and murderous as hell. We need Cloudflare just to keep services up due to the deluge of AI data scrapers and other garbage.

thr0w• 8 months ago

But if you’re down, Spotify is down, social media is down… then “the internet is broken” and you don’t look so bad.

In my direct experience, this isn't true if you're running something even vaguely mission-critical for your customers. Your customer's workers just know that they can't do their job for the day, and your customer's management just knows that the solution they shepherded through their organization is failing.

jclardy• 8 months ago

Which "user" are you referring to? Cloudflare users or end product users?

End product users have no power, they can complain to support and maybe get a free month of service, but the 0.1% of customers that do that aren't going to turn the tide and have anything change.

Engineering teams using these services also get "covered" by them - they can finger point and say "everyone else was down too."

tjwebbnorfolk• 8 months ago

if “the internet is down” people will put down their device and do something else.

oh no

ozgrakkurt• 8 months ago

On the other hand, it is cool to be up when the internet is down

Hrun0• 8 months ago

It also reduces your incentive to change, if “the internet is down” people will put down their device and do something else. Even if your web site is up they’ll assume it isn’t.

I agree. When people talk about the enshittification of the internet, Cloudflare plays a significant role.

ge96• 8 months ago

Also it's free (the basic domain protection offered by CF anyway)

falcor84• 8 months ago

100% this. While in my professional capacity I'm all in for reliability and redundancy, as an individual, I quite like these situations when it's obvious that I won't be getting any work done and it's out of my control, so I can go run some errands to or read a book, or just finish early.

pancsta• 8 months ago

if you’re down, Spotify is down, social media is down… then “the internet is broken” and you don’t look so bad.

Which changes nothing to you actually being down, youre only down more. CF proxies always sucked - not your domain, not your domain...

nntwozz• 8 months ago

Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.

burnt-resistor2• 8 months ago

A key risk of monopolies is that they lead to monoculture SPoFs.

pixel_popping• 8 months ago

Mostly since the AWS craze started a decade ago, developers have gone away from Dedicated servers (which are actually cheaper, go figure), which is causing all this mess.

It's genuinely insane that many companies are designing a great amount of fallbacks... on the software level but almost none is thought on the hardware/infrastructure level, common-sense dictate that you should never host everything on a single provider.

geerlingguy3• 8 months ago

I tried as hard as I could to stay self hosted (and my backend is, still), but getting constant DDoS attacks and not having the time to deal with fighting them 2-3x a month was what ultimately forced me to Cloudflare. It's still worse than before even with their layers of protection, and now I get to watch my site be down a while, with no ability to switch DNS to point back to my own proxy layer, since CF is down :/

imglorp• 8 months ago

With the state of constant attack from AI scrapers and DDOS bots, you pretty much need to have a CDN from someone now, if you have a serious business service. The poor guys with single prem boxes with static HTML can /maybe/ weather some of this storm alone but not everything.

PaulHoule• 8 months ago

... dedis are cheaper if you are rightsized. If you are wrongsize they just plain crash and you may or may not be able to afford the upgrade.

I was at Softlayer before I was at AWS and what catalyzed the move was the time I needed to add another hard drive to a system and somehow they screwed it up. I couldn't put a trouble ticket it to get it fixed because my database record in their trouble ticket system was corrupted. The next day I moved my stuff to AWS and the day after that they had a top sales guy talk to me to try to get me to stay but it was too late.

elondaits• 8 months ago

I self hosted on one of the company’s servers back in the late 90s. Hard drive crashes (and a hack once, through an Apache bug) had our services (http, pop, smtp, nfs, smb, etc ) down for at least 2-3 days (full reinstall, reconfiguration, etc).

Then, with regular VPSs I also had systems down for 1-2 days. Just last week the company that hosts NextCloud for us was down the whole weekend (from Friday evening) and we couldn’t get their attention until Monday.

So far these huge outages that last 2-5 hours are still lower impact for me, and require me to take less action.

powerpixel2• 8 months ago

Maintainance cost is the main issue for on-prem infra, nowadays add things like DDOS protection and/or scraping protection, which can require dedicated team or for your company to rely on some library or open source project that is not guaranteed to be maintained forever (unless you give them support, which i believe in)... Yeah I can understand why companies shift off of on-prem nowadays

nzach• 8 months ago

developers have gone away from Dedicated servers (which are actually cheaper, go figure)

It depends on how you calculate your cost. If you only include the physical infrastructure having a dedicated server is cheaper. But by having some dedicated server you loose a lot of flexibility. Needs more resources? Just scale up your ec2, and with a dedicated server there is a lot more work involved.

Do you want a 'production-ready' database? With AWS you can just click a few buttons and have a RDS ready to use. To roll out your own PG installation you need someone with a lot of knowledge(how to configure replication? backups? updates? ...).

So if you include salaries in the calculation the result changes a lot. And even if you already have some experts in your payroll by putting them to work in deploying a PG instance you won't be able to use them to build other things that may generate more value to you business than the premium you pay to AWS.

slightwinder• 8 months ago

Cloud-Hoster are that hardware-fallback. They started with offering better redundancy and scaling than your homemade breadbox. But it seems they lost something along the way and now we have this.

MattSayar• 8 months ago

I like the idea of having my own rack in a data center somewhere (or sharing the rack, whatever) but even a tiny cost is still more than free. And even then, that data center will also have outages, with none of the benefits of a Cloudflare Pages, GitHub Pages, etc.

martinald• 8 months ago

Many reasons but DDoS protection has massive network effects. The more customers you have (and therefore bandwidth provision) the easier it is to hold up against a DDoS, as DDoS are targeting just one (usually) customer.

So there are massive economies of scale. Small CDN with (say) 10,000 customers and 10mbit/sec per customer can handle 100gbit/s DDoS (way too simplistic, but hopefully you get the idea) - way too small.

If you have the same traffic provisioned on average per customer and have 1 million customers, you can handle a DDoS 100x the size.

Only way to compete with this is to massively overprovision bandwidth per customer (which is expensive, as those customers won't pay more just for you to have more redundancy because you are smaller).

In a way (like many things in infrastructure) CDNs are natural monopolies. The bigger you get -> the more bandwidth and PoP you can have -> more attractive to more customers (this repeats over and over).

It was probably very astute of Cloudflare to realise that offering such a generous free plan was a key step in this.

codedokode3• 8 months ago

In my opinion, DDoS is possible only because there is no network protocol for a host to control traffic filtering on upstream providers (deny traffic from certain subnets or countries). In this case everybody would prefer write their own systems rather than rely on a harmful monopoly.

kordlessagain6• 8 months ago

Your argument is technically flawed.

In a CDN, customers consume bandwidth; they do not contribute it. If Cloudflare adds 1 million free customers, they do not magically acquire 1 million extra pipes to the internet backbone. They acquire 1 million new liabilities that require more infrastructure investment.

All you are doing is echoing their pitch book. Of course they want to skim their share of the pie.

karmelapple• 8 months ago

And how many companies want to also be able to build out their own CDN?

Not every company can be an expert at everything.

But perhaps many of us could buy a different CDN than the major players if we want to reduce the likelihood of mass outages like this though.

hhthrowaway1230• 8 months ago

Don't think there is anything wrong with a centralised service being down, you just make a conscious decision if you want that and can afford that?

People not being ready for cloudflare/[insert hyperscaler] to be possibly down is the only fault.

sotix• 8 months ago

This might sound crazy as a software engineer, but I actually like the occasional "snow day" where everything goes down. It's healthy for us to all disconnect from the internet for a bit. The centralization unintentionally helps facilitate that. At least, that's my glass half full perspective.

gspencley2• 8 months ago

I can understand that sentiment. Just don't lose sight of the impact it can have on every day people. My wife and I own a small theatre and we sell tickets through Eventbrite. It's not my full time job but it is hers. Eventbrite sent out an email this morning letting us know that they are impacted by the outage. Our event page appears to be working but I do wonder if it's impacting ticket sales for this weekend's shows.

So while us in tech might like a "snow day", there are millions of small businesses and people trying to go about their day to day lives who get cut off because of someone else's fuck-ups when this happens.

hashim3• 8 months ago

I'm guessing you're employed and your salary is guaranteed regardless. Would you have the same outlook if you were the self-employed founder of an online business and every minute of outage was costing you money?

ljm2• 8 months ago

If the internet was just social media, SaaS productivity suites, and AI slop, sure...

But there are systems that depend on Cloudflare, directly or not, and when they go down it can have a serious impact on somebody's livelihood.

cultofmetatron• 8 months ago

This might sound crazy as a software engineer, but I actually like the occasional "snow day" where everything goes down

As as software engineer, I get it. as a CTO, I spent this morning triaging with my devops ai(actual Indian) to find some workaround (we found one) while our CEO was doing damage control with customers (non technical field) who were angry that we were down and they were losing business by the minute.

sometimes I miss not having a direct stake in the success of the business.

strict92• 8 months ago

And all of these outages happening not long after most of them dismissed a large amount of experienced staff while moving jobs offshore to save in labor costs.

Lammy• 8 months ago

It's because single points of traffic concentration are the most surveillable architecture, so FVEY et al economically reward with one hand those companies who would build the architecture they want to surveil with the other hand.

rcarmo• 8 months ago

What is worrying is that distributed systems don’t seem to be that distributed in practice.

expedition32• 8 months ago

Designed to survive a first strike from the USSR. Taken down by Cloudflare.

drob518• 8 months ago

IMO, centralization is inevitable because the fundamental forces drive things in that direction. Clouds are useful for a variety of reasons (technical, time to market, economic), so developers want to use them. But clouds are expensive to build and operate, so there are only a few organizations with the budget and competency to do it well. So, as the market matures you end up with 3 to 5 major cloud operators per region, with another handful of smaller specialists. And that’s just the way it works. Fighting against that is to completely swim upstream with every market force in opposition.

mobiuscog• 8 months ago

How did we get to a place where Cloudflare being down means we see an outage page, but on that page it tells us explicitly that the host we're trying to connect to is up, and it's just a Cloudflare problem.

If it can tell us that the host is up, surely it can just bypass itself to route traffic.

ralferoo• 8 months ago

"... surely it can just ..."

Congratulations, you've successfully completed Management Training 101.

kordlessagain6• 8 months ago

The technical term for it is a man in the middle. It’s better to call it what it is that way you aren’t fooled into thinking it’s not, because it is.

an-allen2• 8 months ago

Well the centralisation without rapid recovery and practices that provide substantial resiliency… that would be worrying.

But I dare say the folks at these organisations take these matters incredibly seriously and the centralisation problem is largely one of risk efficiency.

I think there is no excuse, however, to not have multi region on state, and pilot light architectures just in case.

kilpikaarna• 8 months ago

Currently at the public library and I can't use the customer inventory terminals to search for books. They're just a web browser interface to the public facing website, and it's hosted behind CF. Bananas.

gmiller123456• 8 months ago

Don't forget the CloudStrike outage: One company had a bug that brought down almost everything. Who would have thought there are so many single points of failure across the entire Internet.

baq• 8 months ago

because efficiency trumps redundancy in the short term, which is all that matters in a super competitive environment.

bsoles• 8 months ago

How did we get to a place where either Cloudflare or AWS having an outage means a large part of the web going down?

As always, in the name of "security". When are we going to learn that anything done, either by the government or by a corporation, in the name of security is always bad for the average person?

alkonaut• 8 months ago

Because it's better to have a really convenient and cheap service that works 99% of the time, than a resilient that is more expensive or more cumbersome to use.

It's like github vs whatever else you can do with git that is truly decentralized. The centralization has such massive benefits that I'm very happy to pay the price of "when it's down I can't work".

ljm2• 8 months ago

I would be less worried if Cloudflare and AWS weren't involved in many more things than simply running DNS.

AWS - someone touches DynamoDB and it kills the DNS.

Cloudflare - someone touches functionality completely unrelated to DNS hosting and proxying and, naturally, it kills the DNS.

There is this critical infrastructure that just becomes one small part of a wider product offering, worked on by many hands, and this critical infrastructure gets taken down by what is essentially a side-effect.

It's a strong argument to move to providers that just do one thing and do it well.

rglover• 8 months ago

Most developers don't care to know how the underlying infrastructure works (or why) and so they take whatever the public consensus is re: infra as a statement of fact (for the better part of the last 15 years or so that was "just use the cloud"). A shocking amount of technical decisions are socially, not technically enforced.

mvkel3• 8 months ago

This was always the case. There was always a "us-east" in some capacity, under Equinix, etc. Except it used to be the only "zone," which is why the internet is still so brittle despite having multiple zones. People need to build out support for different zones. Old habits die hard, I guess.

telepromptereye3• 8 months ago

We take the idea of the internet always being on for granted. Most people don’t understand the stack and assume that when sites go down it’s isolated, and although I agree with you, it’s just as much complacency and lack of oversight and enforcement delays in bureaucracy as it is centralization. But I guess that’s kind of the umbrella to those things… lol

moralestapia• 8 months ago

5 mins. of thought to figure out why these services exist?

Dialogue about mitigations/solutions? Alternative services? High availability strategies?

Nah! It's free to complain.

Me personally, I'd say those companies do a phenomenal job by being a de facto backbone of the modern web. Also Cloudflare, in particular, gives me a lot of things for free.

kaonwarb• 8 months ago

I recommend this Ben Thompson piece on why resiliency has declined: https://stratechery.com/2025/resiliency-and-scale/

exasperaited• 8 months ago

Re: Cloudflare it is because developers actively pushed "just use Cloudflare" again and again and again.

It has been dead to me since the SSL cache vulnerability thing and the arrogance with which senior people expected others to solve their problems.

But consider how many people still do stupid things like use the default CDN offered by some third party library, or use google fonts directly; people are lazy and don't care.

abtinf• 8 months ago

Because they are great services, are generally pretty easy to get started with, and usually work as expected, which has led to broad adoption.

BurningFrog• 8 months ago

How many more of these until governments step in and take over "critical infrastructure"?

GuB-42• 8 months ago

Another one that worries me is Let's Encrypt.

It is not as bad as Cloudflare or AWS because certificates will not expire the instant there is an outage, but considers that:

- It serves about 2/3 of all websites

- TLS is becoming more and more critical over time. If certificates fail, the web may as well be down

- Certificate lifetimes are becoming shorter and shorter, now 90 days, but Let's Encrypt is now considering 6 days, with 47 days being planned as a minimum

- An outage is one thing, but should a compromise happen, that would be even more catastrophic

Let's Encrypt is a good guy now, but remember that Google used to be a good guy in the 2000s too!

seniorThrowaway2• 8 months ago

Agree, I’ve thought about this one too. The history of SSL/TLS certs is pretty hacky anyway in my opinion. The main problem they are solving really should have been solved at the network layer with ubiquitous IPsec and key distribution via DNS since most users just blindly trust whatever root CAs ship with their browser or OS, and the ecosystem has been full of implementation and operational issues.

Let’s Encrypt is great at making the existing system less painful, and there are a few alternatives like ZeroSSL, but all of this automation is basically a pile of workarounds on top of a fundamentally inappropriate design.

b00ty4breakfast• 8 months ago

Google was always a for-profit operation. Let's Encrypt/ISRG could still go rotten but there are less incentives for them to do so as a non-profit.

phasmantistes• 8 months ago

(Disclaimer: I am tech lead of Let's Encrypt software engineering)

I'm also concerned about LE being a single point of failure for the internet! I really wish there were other free and open CAs out there. Our goal is to encrypt the web, not to perpetuate ourselves.

That said, I'm not sure the line of reasoning here really holds up? There's a big difference between this three-hour outage and the multi-day outage that would be necessary to prevent certificate renewal, even with 6-day certs. And there's an even bigger difference between this sort of network disruption and the kind of compromise that would be necessary to take LE out permanently.

So while yes, I share your fear about the internet-wide impact of total Let's Encrypt collapse, I don't think that these situations are particularly analogous.

phendrenad2• 8 months ago

Because DDoS is a fact of life (and even if you aren't targeted by DDoS, the bot traffic probing you to see if you can be made part of the botnet is enough to take down a cheap $5 VPS). So we have to ask - why? Personally, I don't accept the hand-wavy explanation that botnets are "just a bunch of hacked IoT devices". No, your smart lightbulb isn't taking down Reddit. I slightly believe the secondary explanation that it's a bunch of hacked home routers. We know that home routers are full of things like suspicious oopsie definitely-not-government backdoors.

kahrl• 8 months ago

When there is an accident on the interstate we should blame the centralization of traffic and advocate for no more highways.

Very worrying indeed.

bawolff2• 8 months ago

The same reason we have centralization across the economy. Economies of scale is how you make a big business succesful, and once you are on top its hard to dislodge you.

cyanydeez• 8 months ago

CAPITALISM

Are people really this confused?

peacebeard• 8 months ago

A lot of products use AWS because "we could build redundancy and multi-region if we need it" and then never build it.

rtkwe2• 8 months ago

I think some of the issues in the last outage actually affected multiple regions. IIRC internally some critical infrastructure for AWS depends on us-east-1 or at least it failed in a way that didn't allow failover.

giantrobot• 8 months ago

People use CloudFlare because it's a "free" way for most sites to not get exploited (WAF) or DDoSed (CDN/proxy) regularly. A DDoS can cost quite a bit more than a day of downtime, even just a thundering herd of legitimate users can explode an egress bill.

It sucks there's not more competition in this space but CloudFlare isn't widely used for no reason.

AWS also solves real problems people have. Maintaining infrastructure is expensive as is hardware service and maintenance. Redundancy is even harder and more expensive. You can run a fairly inexpensive and performant system on AWS for years for the cost of a single co-located server.

0xbadcafebee• 8 months ago

It's not really. People are just very bad at putting the things around them into perspective.

Your power is provided by a power utility company. They usually serve an entire state, if not more than one (there are smaller ones too). That's "centralization" in that it's one company, and if they "go down", so do a lot of businesses. But actually it's not "centralized", in that 1) there are actually many different companies across the country/world, and 2) each company "decentralizes" most of its infrastructure to prevent massive outages.

And yes, power utilities have outages. But usually they are limited in scope and short-lived. They're so limited that most people don't notice when they happen, unless it's a giant weather system. Then if it's a (rare) large enough impact, people will say "we need to reform the power grid!". But later when they've calmed down, they realize that would be difficult to do without making things worse, and this event isn't common.

Large internet service providers like AWS, Cloudflare, etc, are basically internet utilities. Yes they are large, like power utilities. Yes they have outages, like power utilities. But the fact that a lot of the country uses them, isn't any worse than a lot of the country using a particular power company. And unlike the power companies, we're not really that dependent on internet service providers. You can't really change your power company; you can change an internet service provider.

Power didn't used to be as reliable as it is. Everything we have is incredibly new and modern. And as time has passed, we have learned how to deal with failures. Safety and reliability has increased throughout critical industries as we have learned to adapt to failures. But that doesn't mean there won't be failures, or that we can avoid them all.

We also have the freedom to architect our technology to work around outages. All the outages you have heard about recently could be worked around, if the people who built on them had tried:

- CDN goes down? Most people don't absolutely need a CDN. Point your DNS at your origins until the CDN comes back. (And obviously, your DNS provider shouldn't be the same as your CDN...)

- The control plane goes down on dynamic cloud APIs? Enable a "limp mode" that persists existing infrastructure to serve your core needs. You should be able to service most (if not all) of your business needs without constantly calling a control plane.

- An AZ or region goes down? Use your disaster recovery plan: deploy infrastructure-as-code into another region or AZ. Destroy it when the az/region comes back.

...and all of that just to avoid a few hours of downtime per year? It's likely cheaper to just take the downtime. But that doesn't stop people from piling on when things go wrong, questioning whether the existence of a utility is a good idea.

neop1x3• 8 months ago

It's not only centralization in the sense your website will be down if they are down but it is also a centralized MITM proxy. If you transfer sensitive data like chats over cloudflare-"protected" endpoints, you also allow CF to transparently read and analyze it in plain-text. It must be very easy for state agencies to spy on the internet nowadays, they woukd just ask CF to redirect traffic to them.

thenthenthen• 8 months ago

…sneaks in Azure

paulddraper• 8 months ago

Because bots are a real thing.

And it’s hard to protect against DDoS without something like Cloudflare.

Look at the posts here.

Even the meager HN “hug of death” will take things down

butlike• 8 months ago

It's weird to think about so bear with me. I don't mean this sardonically or misanthropically. But, it's "just the internet." It's just the internet. It dones't REALLY matter in a large enough macro view. It's JUST the internet.

ronald_petty• 8 months ago

Consider joining the Internet Society. An entire group of people who care!

chasing0entropy2• 8 months ago

Agreed. More worrying is that it appears standard practice or separation between domain and nameserver administration has been lost to one-stop-shop marketing.

ridgeguy• 8 months ago

Short-term economic forces, probably. Centralization is often cheaper in the near term. The cost of designing in single-point failure modes gets paid later.

gist• 8 months ago

There is this tendency to phrase questions (or statements) as "when did 'we' ".

These decision are made individually not centrally. There is no process in place (and most likely there will never be) that will be able to control and dictate if people decide one way of doing things is the best way to do it. Even assuming they understand everything or know of the pitfalls.

Even if you can control individually what you do for the site you operate (or are involved in) you won't have any control on parts of your site (or business) that you rely on where others use AWS or Cloudflare.

poemxo• 8 months ago

For most services it's safer to host from behind Cloudflare, and Cloudflare is considered more highly available than a single IaaS or PaaS, at least in my headcanon.

glitchc• 8 months ago

All decentralized systems tend to centralization over time.

worldsavior• 8 months ago

Almost every site I'm trying to connect to is down. The internet is way too centralized.

philiproberts• 8 months ago

Is this why x.com isn’t working right?

dcjdfvk3• 8 months ago

Even pornhub is down becuase it use cloudflare.

pc2g4d4• 8 months ago

Does requiring proof-of-work in order to connect accomplish 99% of what Cloudflare does?

mirzap• 8 months ago

Not even 1%

SallysField4• 8 months ago

Puup but, anyone else?

0xblinq3• 8 months ago

All bets on DNS being the root cause.

6d6b73• 8 months ago

Half of the internet is down. That's what you get for giving up the control of the service that suppose to be decentralized to one company. Good, maybe if it costs companies few billions they will not put all eggs in one basket.

keithluu• 8 months ago

Some CDNs are down too, for example cdn.tailwindcss.com And apparently I can't log into Hackernews?

asim2• 8 months ago

DigitalOcean + Gandi means nothing I run is down. Amazing. We depend far too greatly on centralised services where we deem the value of reputation and convenience exceeds the potential downsides and then the world pays for it. I think we have to feel a lot more of this pain before regulation kicks in to change things because the reality is people don't change. The only thing you can personally do is run a lot of your own stuff for things you can.

luckylion2• 8 months ago

Individually, for you, what's the difference?

You use a service provider, if that service provider is down, your site is down. Does it matter to you that others are also down in that instance?

yreg• 8 months ago

Might even be better to go down at the same time as everyone else, because customers might be more lenient on you.

The_President2• 8 months ago

DigitalOcean is indeed having issues.

Application error: a client-side exception has occurred while loading www.digitalocean.com (see the browser console for more information).

Yellow flags on status.digitalocean.com *

asim2• 8 months ago

Still nothing is down...

dcjdfvk3• 8 months ago

God my favourite website pornhub.com is also down why onn earth cloudflare i just now came from school.

SallysField4• 8 months ago

Puup but, how about yous guys

mhuesler• 8 months ago

how are we still down? it's been 2 hours lol

pc2g4d4• 8 months ago

Meanwhile my Wordpress blog on DigitalOcean is up. And so is DigitalOcean.

My ISP is routing public internet traffic to my IPs these days. What keeps me from running my blog from home? Fear of exposing a TCP port, that's what. What do we do about that?

doikor• 8 months ago

What keeps me from running my blog from home?

Depending on the contract it might not be allowed to run public network services from your home network.

I had a friend doing that and once his site got popular the ISP called (or sent a letter? don't remember anymore) with "take this 10x more expensive corporate contract or we will block all this traffic".

In general why the ISPs don't want you to do that (in addition to way more expensive corporate rates) is the risk of someone DDoS that site which could cause issues to large parts of their domestic customers (and depending on the country be liable to compensate those customers for not providing a service they paid for)

trollbridge6• 8 months ago

Yeah, DigitalOcean and Dreamhost are both up. I actually self-host on 2Gig fibre service, and all my stuff is up, except I park everything behind Cloudflare since there is no way I could handle a DDoS attack.

The_President2• 8 months ago

Our Engineering team is actively investigating an issue impacting multiple DigitalOcean services caused by an upstream provider incident. This disruption affects a subset of Gen AI tools, the App Platform, Load Balancer, Spaces and provisioning or management actions for new clusters. Existing clusters are not affected. Users may experience degraded performance or intermittent failures within these services.
We acknowledge the inconvenience this may cause and are working diligently to restore normal operations. Signs of recovery are starting to appear, with most requests beginning to succeed. We will continue to monitor the situation closely and provide timely updates as more information becomes available. Thank you for your patience as we work towards full service restoration.

It's not down for you, but for others.

wslh3• 8 months ago

Garmin site not working for example, and they removed the export option from the mobile application though.

tyjen• 8 months ago

Waking up to chaos. Nice.

anshumankmr3• 8 months ago

ChatGPT is Down. What will LinkedIn posters ever do?

robwwilliams• 8 months ago

And Anthropic Claude

re5i5tor4• 8 months ago

For me right now, Claude.ai is down, but Claude Code (terminal, extension) seems to be up and happy. Suggests that API is probably up.

sysstemlord• 8 months ago

They will embark on a journey of synergy, and be agile.

anshumankmr3• 8 months ago

Incoming Posts on LinkedIn:

what ChatGPT and Claude being down taught me about b2b SaaS

bob1029• 8 months ago

I can now imagine a scenario where everyone has become so dependent on the AI tool that it going down could turn into an unanticipated black start event for the entire internet.

anshumankmr3• 8 months ago

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-kenobi-disturbance-in-the-forc...

I sense a great disturbance in the force... As if millions of cringefluencers suddenly cried out in terror cause they had to come up with an original thought.

mrcnkoba• 8 months ago

For anyone reading this who desperately needs their website up, you can try this: If you manage to get to your Cloudflare DNS settings and disable the "Proxy status (Proxied)" feature (the orange cloud), it should start working again.

Be aware that this change has a few immediate implications:

- SSL/TLS: You will likely lose your Cloudflare-provided SSL certificate. Your site will only work if your origin server has its own valid certificate.

- Security & Performance: You will lose the performance benefits (caching, minification, global edge network) and security protections (DDoS mitigation, WAF) that Cloudflare provides.

kobalsky• 8 months ago

also the API was working fine while the dash was down.

if you don't have the keys make sure to grab them for the next one.

progmetaldev• 8 months ago

Unfortunately, this will also expose your IP address, which may leave you vulnerable even when the WAF and DDoS protections come back up (unless you take the time to only listen for Cloudflare IP address ranges, which could still take a beefy server if you're having to filter large amounts of traffic).

creatonez5• 8 months ago

This will also reveal your backend internal IP addresses. Anyone can find permanent logs of public IP addresses used by even obscure domain names, so potential adversaries don't necessarily have to be paying attention at the exact right time to find it.

wrathofmonads• 8 months ago

Gemini and other agents are now failing when they search for something on the web. ChatGPT can't even be accessed.

shreyrey• 8 months ago

The privacy kingpin in india, has been caught and most of the network are affected. We will be resuming the servers from Sweden shortly.

paraboul• 8 months ago

All trains are stuck in south of France for « broken signalisation ». Wonder how related this is.

Edit: it was related

https://www.laprovence.com/article/region/83645099971988/pan...

Edit2: They edited the article stating it wasn't related.

misswaterfairy4• 8 months ago

If they do use Cloudflare... why in the everlasting name of Hell did they connect a railway control and signalling system to the Internet?!!!

amenghra• 8 months ago

Because javascript programmers are cheaper/easier/whatever to hire? So everything becomes web-centric. (I'm hoping for this comment to be sarcastic but I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out not to be)

oxy1tumn2• 8 months ago

Update: Cloudflare has announced they will be sacrificing their CEO at the alter in penance

longsword• 8 months ago

used a down-detector site to check if cloudflare is down, but the site is running on cloudflare, so i couldnt check if cloudflare was down for anyone else, because cloudflare was down

ropable• 8 months ago

There's something maliciously satisfying about seeing your own self-hosted stuff working while things behind Cloudflare or AWS are broken. Sure, they have like four more nines that me, but right now I'm sitting pretty.

ArcHound6• 8 months ago

My (s)crappy personal site was up during the AWS outage, Azure outage and now Cloud flare outage. And I have it for 2 months only! Maybe I can add a tracker somewhere, might be fun.

FinnKuhn4• 8 months ago

Can recommend Uptime Kuma for this purpose: https://github.com/louislam/uptime-kuma

nosferath• 8 months ago

How do you deal with DNS? I'm hosting something on a Raspberry Pi at home, and I had recently moved the DNS to Cloudflare. It's quite funny seeing my small personal website being down, although quite satisfying seeing both the browser and host with a green tick while Cloudflare is down.

gucci-on-fleek• 8 months ago

How do you deal with DNS?

DNS is actually one of the easiest services to self-host, and it's fairly tolerant of downtime due to caching. If you want redundancy/geographical distribution, Hurricane Electric has a free secondary/slave DNS service [0] where they'll automatically mirror your primary/master DNS server.

[0] https://dns.he.net/

sdoering2• 8 months ago

I don't have experience with a dynDNS setup like you describe, hosting from (probably) home. But my domains are on a VPS (and a few other places here and there) and DNS is done via my domain reseller's DNS settings pages.

Never had an issue hosting my stuff, but as said - don't yet have experience hoting something from home with a more dynamic DNS setup.

kristofferR• 8 months ago

Pangolin is awesome. It's like self-hosted Cloudflare Tunnels

https://github.com/fosrl/pangolin

pabs3• 8 months ago

Host the DNS on the Pi too?

kilroy1232• 8 months ago

My selfhosted sites are down because of the cloudflares proxy. Ugh

rubatuga• 8 months ago

Only my 'www' is affected ie my blog. Other self hosted like jellyfin and vaultwarden work fine

dizhn2• 8 months ago

I was just able to save a proxied site. Then the dashboard went down again. I didn't even know it was still on. It's really not doing anything for performance because the traffic is quite low.

jim180• 8 months ago

just a couple of days ago, I've moved my self hosted stuff from Cloudflare :)

dnw2• 8 months ago

This is a real problem for some some “old-school enterprise” companies that use Oracle, SAP, etc. along with the new AWS/CF based services. They are all waiting around for new apps to come back up while their Oracle suite/SAP are still functioning. There is a lesson here for some of these new companies selling to old-school companies.

ekianjo2• 8 months ago

Cloudfare completely breaking the internet...

DASD• 8 months ago

Interesting(unnerving?) to see a number of domain registrars that offer their own DNS services utilize at least some kind of Cloudflare service for at least their own web fronts. Did a check on 6 registrar sites I currently interact with and half were down(Namecheap/Spaceship, Name, Dynadot) and up(Porkbun, Gandi, GoDaddy).

madjam0023• 8 months ago

I just considered moving from Namecheap to Porkbun as Namecheap is down, but Porkbun use Cloudflare for their CAPTCHA meaning I'm unable to signup and I assume log in as well, so also no good.

haarolean• 8 months ago

Porkbun also uses Cloudflare for their NS servers.

26thCreator• 8 months ago

I was reading some novels today and then Bam! a cliff hanger now...

MaKey• 8 months ago

Maybe this incident will make people rethink putting Cloudflare blindly in front of every website.

senfiaj3• 8 months ago

In theory even a single company service could be distributed, so only a fraction of websites would be affected, thus it's not a necessity to be a single point of failure. So I still don't like this argument "you see what happens when over half of the internet relies on Cloudflare". And yes, I'm writing this as a Cloudflare user whose blog is now down because of this. Cloudflare is still convenient and accessible for many people, no wonder why it's so popular.

But, yeah, it's still a horrible outage, much worse than the Amazon one.

mallets3• 8 months ago

The "omg centralized infra" cries after every such event kind of misses the point. Hosting with smaller companies (shared, vps, dedi, colo whatever) will likely result in far worse downtimes, individually.

Ofc the bigger perception issue here is many services going out at the same time, but why would (most) providers care if their annual downtime does or doesn't coincide with others? Their overall reliability is no better or worse had only their service gone down.

All of this can change ofc if this becomes a regular thing, the absolute hours of downtime does matter.

uni_baconcat• 8 months ago

I’m glad I have kindle in my bag today. Websites down but not much we can do.

roversx• 8 months ago

glad to see hacker news is still working.

gynecologist• 8 months ago

ChatGPT was down so I couldn't work, go to lichess, turns out, it's down too now what do i do?

delichon• 8 months ago

Touch grass.

mghackerlady3• 8 months ago

your username makes me wonder what exactly your job is, and what you need ChatGPT for

samuelokoroafor• 8 months ago

This centralisation is worrisome. Single points of failures have always been a bad idea, especially when that point of failure is out of your control.

PS:Someone really doesn't want Gemini 3 to get air time today

gku• 8 months ago

Anyone seeing a link between AI-generated infra code and this year’s wave in popular service outages?

neop1x3• 8 months ago

Your origin servers are protected now as no one can access them. Thanks for choosing CloudFlare's MITM "protection".

0xcb0• 8 months ago

So they broke the internet. Nice! Never seen so many sites not working. Never seen so many desktop app suddenly stop working. I don't want to be the person responsible for this. And this again has thought me it's better to no rely on external services. Even though they seem to big to fail.

arend321• 8 months ago

I sometimes question my business decision to have a multi-cloud, multi-region web presence where it is totally acceptable to be down with the big boys.

fbrchps• 8 months ago

That was something we discussed at my workplace.

Prior hosting provider was a little-known company with decent enough track record, but because they employed humans, stuff would break. When it did break, C-suite would panic about how much revenue is lost, etc.

The number of outages was "reasonable" to anyone who understood the technical side, but non-technical would complain for weeks after an outage about how we're always down, "well BigServiceX doesn't break ever, why do we?", and again lost revenue.

Now on Azure/Cloudflare, we go down when everyone else does, but C-Suite goes "oh it's not just us, and it's out of our control? Okay let us know when it fixes itself."

A great lesson in optics and perception, for our junior team members.

souvlakee4• 8 months ago

Many services have just disabled the CF proxy and use only DNS. If your end server has SSL and can handle some traffic, it might work for a while.

krauses• 8 months ago

What do we actually lose going from cloud back to ground?

The mass centralization is a massive attack vector for organized attempts to disrupt business in the west.

But we’re not doing anything about it because we’ve made a mountain at of a molehill. Was it that hard to manage everything locally?

I get that there’s plenty of security implications going that route, but it would be much harder to bring down t large portions of online business with a single attack.

jillesvangurp• 8 months ago

What do we actually lose going from cloud back to ground?

A lot of money related to stuff you currently don't have to worry about.

I remember how shit worked before AWS. People don't remember how costly and time consuming this stuff used to be. We had close to 50 people in our local ops team back in the day when I was working with Nokia 13 years ago. They had to deal with data center outages, expensive storage solutions failing, network links between data centers, offices, firewalls, self hosted Jira running out of memory, and a lot of other crap that I don't spend a lot of time about worrying with a cloud based setup. Just a short list of stuff that repeatedly was an issue. Nice when it worked. But nowhere near five nines of uptime.

That ops team alone cost probably a few million per year in salaries alone. I knew some people in that team. Good solid people but it always seemed like a thankless and stressful job to me. Basically constant firefighting while getting people barking at you to just get stuff working. Later a lot of that stuff moved into AWS and things became a lot easier and the need for that team largely went away. The first few teams doing that caused a bit of controversy internally until management realized that those teams were saving money. Then that quickly turned around. And it wasn't like AWS was cheap. I worked in one of those teams. That entire ops team was replaced by 2-3 clued in devops people that were able to move a lot faster. Subsequent layoff rounds in Nokia hit internal IT and ops teams hard early on in the years leading up to the demise of the phone business.

dust-jacket3• 8 months ago

Yeah, people have such short memories for this stuff. When we ran our own servers a couple of jobs ago, we had a rota of people who'd be on call for events like failing disks. I don't want to ever do that again.

In general, I'm much happier with the current status of "it all works" or "it's ALL broken and its someone else's job to fix it as fast as possible"!

Not saying its perfect but neither was on-prem/colocation

Shuddown• 8 months ago

Wanted to check if it was DNS again but https://isitdns.com/ is also down…

souvlakee4• 8 months ago

We definitely need a version without CF.

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

Then the page will just be down for load reasons.

mystifyingpoi• 8 months ago

This was geniuinely funny, thanks for that.

Aldipower• 8 months ago

This sentence is slowly getting boring after all those recent outages: My web app hosted on Hetzner and BunnyCDN still works.

That shows, the distributed nature of the internet is still there. It is a problem though, if everything is funneled through one provider.

ndhikaa• 8 months ago

hahaha this is nuts, can we connect to each other without cloudflare?

ivan-ivanov• 8 months ago

interesting that HN is not on Cloudflare but the YC website is behind Cloudflare so it's also down

jordanb• 8 months ago

Like AWS I can't help but think we're going to get more and more of these as the tech industry continues to DOGE its workforce.

bamboozled4• 8 months ago

Vibe coding too

dpacmittal2• 8 months ago

Didn't realize Twitter uses cloudflare. It seems to be down as well

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

I believe it used to be AWS and they switched.

rhim• 8 months ago

It's so crazy and scary that Cloudflare is the single point of failure for the internet.

souvlakee4• 8 months ago

But this decision is not determined by CF. It's how the devs decided.

pohl• 8 months ago

Trying to figure out if this observation was intended to frame it so that it's less|same|more scary. The effect is more, but it sounds like the intention was less.

poszlem• 8 months ago

The common pasture.

GeorgeWoff25• 8 months ago

I can't login in to Cloudflare itself because it is itself affected, holy bs

petecooper• 8 months ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=jgrahamc

I was Cloudflare's CTO.

A gentle reminder to not take any CF-related frustrations out on John today.

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

He's now on the Board so not left.

Not that I think blaming individuals on forums who are already under stress is a good strategy anyway.

tapanjk• 8 months ago

His personal website is down too.

theideaofcoffee2• 8 months ago

Oh no, we can’t take a (former) executive to task about what they’ve wrought with their influence!!! That would be wrong.

If anything, he should be the first to be blamed for the greater and greater effect this tech monster has on internet stability, since, you know, his people built it.

ph1l337• 8 months ago

Luckily for everyone including Guilhermo he can't dunk on the situation since x.com is down as well.

kelvinzero• 8 months ago

Jakarta

linhns• 8 months ago

Well, was reading the docs for Express, and shouted wtf a couple of times, before seeing this post on HN.

HYUNGYUN• 8 months ago

Seoul down

ck2• 8 months ago

is there any way to get past challenges.cloudflare.com with tokens or something?

so stupid there is no fallback and can take down 50% of the internet

adding:looks like even Cloudflare's Silk Privacy Pass with challenge tokens is broken

such a great idea to put half the web behind a single fail point without fallover

arpit_mudgal• 8 months ago

BLR Down

saanville• 8 months ago

cursed at me ISP for absolutely nothing

tacker20002• 8 months ago

Even ChatGPT.com is down! Wow!

joeiq2• 8 months ago

Seriously, bookmarking this site and checking it first next time instead of disabling all my ad blockers.

makeavish• 8 months ago

NPM also seems to be down due to this! https://status.npmjs.org

hoshikihao• 8 months ago

I was so scared, I thought my VPN had failed.

fatty_patty89• 8 months ago

I hecking love depending on big corpo

bakigul• 8 months ago

This is a nightmare situation, we can't get in anywhere

navigate8310• 8 months ago

How come cloudflare.com is still working, do they not trust their own orange proxy service?

davidmurdoch3• 8 months ago

Speaking of 5 9s, how would you achieve 5 9s for a basic CRUD app that doesn't need to scale, but still be globally accessible? No auth, micro services, email or 3rd party services. Just a classic backend connected to a db (any db tech, hosted wherever), that serves up some html.

christophilus• 8 months ago

Stock VPS somewhere like OVH or Hetzner, with a replica in a different provider?

davidmurdoch3• 8 months ago

Doesn't Hetzner carry the risk if getting kicked off on a whim? Only time I hear about them is when someone gets kicked out.

kjuulh• 8 months ago

It depends on the infrastructure you're running on. There was a post yesterday going fairly into depth how you do such calculations https://authress.io/knowledge-base/articles/2025/11/01/how-w...

You probably cannot achieve this with a single node, so you'll at least need to replicate it a few times to combat the normal 2-3 9s you get from a single node. But then you've got load balancers and dns, which can also serve as single point of failure, as seen with cloudflare.

Depending on the database type and choice, it varies. If you've got a single node of postgres, you can likely never achieve more than 2-3 9s (aws guarantees 3 9s for a multi-az RDS). But if you do multi-master cockroach etc, you can maybe achieve 5 9s just on the database layer, or using spanner. But you'll basically need to have 5 9s which means quite a bit of redundancy in all the layers going to and from your app and data. The database and DNS being the most difficult.

Reliable DNS provider with 5 9s of uptime guarantees -> multi-master load balancer each with 3 9s, -> each load balancer serving 3 or more apps each with 3 9s of availability, going to a database(s) with 5 9s.

This page from google shows their uptime guarantees for big tables, 3 9s for a single region with a cluster. 4 9s for multi cluster and 5 9s for multi region

https://docs.cloud.google.com/architecture/infra-reliability...

In general it doesn't matter really what you're running, it is all about redundancy. Whether that is instances, cloud vendor, region, zone etc.

misswaterfairy4• 8 months ago

Part of the up-time solution is keeping as much of your app and infrastructure within your control, rather than being at the behest of mega-providers as we've witnessed in the past month: Cloudflare, and AWS.

Probably:

- a couple of tower servers, running Linux or FreeBSD, backed up by a UPS and an auto-run generator with 24 hours worth of diesel (depending on where you are, and the local areas propensity for natural disasters - maybe 72 hours),

- Caddy for a reverse proxy, Apache for the web server, PostgreSQL for the database;

- behind a router with sensible security settings, that also can load-balance between the two servers (for availability rather than scaling);

- on static WAN IPs,

- with dual redundant (different ISPs/network provider) WAN connections,

- a regular and strictly followed patch and hardware maintenance cycle,

- located in an area resistant to wildfire, civil unrest, and riverine or coastal flooding.

I'd say that'd get you close to five 9s (no more than ~5 minutes downtime per year), though I'd pretty much guarantee five 9s (maybe even six 9s - no more than 32 seconds downtime per year) if the two machines were physically separated from each other by a few hundred kilometres, each with their own supporting infrastructure above, sans the load balancing (see below), through two separate network routes.

Load balancing would become human-driven in this 'physically separate' example (cheaper, less complex): if your-site-1.com fails, simply re-point your browser to your-site-2.com which routes to the other redundant server on a different network.

The hard part now will be picking network providers that don't use the same pipes/cables, i.e. they both use Cloudflare, or AWS...

Keep the WAN IPs written down in case DNS fails.

PostgreSQL can do master-master replication, but it's a pain to set up I understand.

vivzkestrel• 8 months ago

what if you could create a super virtual server of sorts. imagine a new cloud provider like vercel but called something else. what this provider does is when you create a server on their service, they create 3 services, one on aws, one on gcp and one on azure. behind the scenes they are 3 separate servers but to the end user they are a single server. the end user gets to control how many cloud providers are involved. when aws goes down, no worries, it switches to the part with gcp on

endoacustica2• 8 months ago

Same problem here in Italy. Website up and down again.

Mattia20014• 8 months ago

Rome, Palermo, Milan, Catania Down

skor• 8 months ago

why do I always get "Server Error" and not an explanation that Cloudflare is having problems? This makes me look bad in front of my customers.

Bro13094• 8 months ago

Is it down again??

sergiotapia• 8 months ago

X is down, and many many other sites. This is not the web I grew up on. Do not centralize people.

bezier-curve• 8 months ago

I'm really surprised by the sheer scale of how many websites this outage is affecting. We really need to decentralize all of these monolith clouds.

I_am_tiberius• 8 months ago

scaleway.com is down as well. I'm really wondering how a CSP can use cloudflare...

abdulwahidgul• 8 months ago

Singapore is down as well in Asia

Mattia20014• 8 months ago

Probably the IDF trying a mass network attack to go and Occupy the Holy See

j0nimost2• 8 months ago

africa down as well

danaos• 8 months ago

dl.acm.org down, arxiv.org has my back!

dvcoolarun• 8 months ago

There was an article on HN a few days back about how companies like this are influencing the overall freedom of the web (I missed the source) and their own way of doing things. Other examples of influence I see similarly are of Vercel, like with enterprise. Even a few days back, we saw AWS.

spacecadet• 8 months ago

Testing the fences... clever girl...

Aeolun3• 8 months ago

Why the hell is my claude saying "Please unblock challenges.cloudflare.com to proceed."

And then still failing anyway? Why do I need CloudFlare to access claude.io? Wtf?

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

AI companies don't want AI to use AI.

burnt-resistor2• 8 months ago

Dallas CF is down, so basically every app and website is down.

rgilton4• 8 months ago

What would the Internet's architecture have to look like for DDOS'ing to be a thing of the past, and therefore Cloudflare to not be needed?

I know there are solutions like IPFS out there for doing distributed/decentralised static content distribution, but that seems like only part of the problem. There are obviously more types of operation that occur via the network -- e.g. transactions with single remote pieces of equipment etc, which by their nature cannot be decentralised.

Anyone know of research out there into changing the way that packet-routing/switching works so that 'DDOS' just isn't a thing? Of course I appreciate there are a lot of things to get right in that!

smt883• 8 months ago

It's impossible to stop DDoS attacks because of the first "D".

If a botnet gets access through 500k IP addresses belonging to home users around the world, there's no way you could have prepared yourself ahead of time.

The only real solution is to drastically increase regulation around security updates for consumer hardware.

rgilton4• 8 months ago

Maybe that's the case, but it seems like this conclusion is based on the current architecture of the internet. Maybe there are ways of changing it that mean these issues are not a thing!

venusenvy472• 8 months ago

Do the IP addresses botnet members get logged? Could those IP addresses be automatically blocked by DNS until they fix their machine?

sentrysapper• 8 months ago

What would that look like? A network with built-in rate & connection limiting?

The closest thing I can think of is the Gemini protocol browser. It uses TOFU for authentication, which requires a human to initially validate every interaction.

tempfile• 8 months ago

Built it into the protocol that you must provide bandwidth in order to have your requests served. A bit like forcing people to seed torrents.

rgilton4• 8 months ago

Works for static content and databases, but I don't think it works for applications where there is by necessity only one destination that can't be replicated (e.g. a door lock).

pezgrande• 8 months ago

Something like a mega-transnational-parent ISP authority and give tech giants LaLiga kind of power.

t1234s• 8 months ago

These big cloud providers are turning into giant off-switches for the internet

greenie_beans• 8 months ago

thought i'd been hacked, was ready to throw in the towel for this career and my saas

davneet4u• 8 months ago

It's outrageous that it hasn't been fixed since 2 hours

CuriousRose• 8 months ago

Cloudflare runs a high demand service, and the centralisation does deserve scrutiny. I think a good middle ground I’ll adopt is self hosting critical services and then when they have an outage redirect traffic to a Cloudflare outage banner.

monstertank• 8 months ago

Gemini is up, I asked it to explain what's going on in cave man speak:

YOU: Ask cave-chief for fire.

CAVE-CHIEF (Cloudflare): Big strong rock wall around many other cave fires (other websites). Good, fast wall!

MANY CAVE-PEOPLE: Shout at rock wall to get fire.

ROCK WALL: Suddenly… CRACK! Wall forgets which cave has which fire! Too many shouts!

RESULT:

    Your Shout: Rock wall does not hear you, or sends you to wrong cave.

    Other Caves (like X, big games): Fire is there, but wall is broken. Cannot get to fire.

    ME (Gemini): My cave has my own wall! Not rock wall chief! So my fire is still burning! Good!

BIG PROBLEM: Big strong wall broke. Nobody gets fire fast. Wall chief must fix strong rock fast!

rzerowan2• 8 months ago

One of the things that i didnt like about cloudflare MITM as a service is their requirement if you want SSL/CDN that you must use their DNS. Overconcentration of infra within one single pint of disruption with no easy outs when the stack tips over. Sadly i dont see any changes or rethink to be more decentralised even after this outage.

dust-jacket3• 8 months ago

to be clear, that's just a limitation on their free service. If you pay, you can keep your own DNS

rzerowan2• 8 months ago

Yeah they keep re-inforcing bad vendor lockin practices. id guess the number of free users surpass the paying ones , and situations like these leave them all unable to recover.

jonathanlydall3• 8 months ago

Their paid "professional" plan also has this limitation, only "enterprise" and up does not.

andy_ppp• 8 months ago

I honestly think people should practice more chaos engineering themselves and switch off services at random like Cloudflare and have failure plans.

thinkindie2• 8 months ago

For some reason linear.app is working but according to their headers they should be behind Cloudflare.

sambaumann• 8 months ago

According to the status page services are being restored

thinkindie2• 8 months ago

I still find a lot of websites/applications (including my own) affected.

Aeolun3• 8 months ago

Hey, this is fun, all my websites are still up! I wonder how that happened? I don't even have to worry about my docker registry being down because I set up my own after the last global outage.

pqdbr3• 8 months ago

I had a lot of fun like you as well, until I got my first DDoS and bot attacks. There's a reason Cloudflare has 20% of internet traffic.

chanux• 8 months ago

Does it cost you a lot?

One of my other worries is having fight bots over a couple hobby sites while I have other fires to put out (generally in life).

stupidityonmaxx2• 8 months ago

and when i tell people they dont need cf for most of their sites they laugh at me. look whos laughing now. theyre down, im up

Mattia20014• 8 months ago

ahahahhaahah

jonathanlydall3• 8 months ago

Whenever I try collapse root threads on this page it locks up the browser for 5+ seconds.

Windows 11, latest Edge browser, 64GB of RAM, 13th Gen i7.

igleria• 8 months ago

Does not happen to me under ubuntu, FWIW

mghackerlady3• 8 months ago

Windows 11, latest Edge browser

There's your issue

jonathanlydall3• 8 months ago

Windows 11 has some annoying UI decisions, but is otherwise 100% reliable for me and absolutely my OS of choice. Edge is essentially Chrome, but generally ties in better with the MS accounts ecosystem which I already use.

So, what, specifically, is the issue?

Telemakhos• 8 months ago

AWS, Azure, now Cloudflare, all within a month, are hit with configuration errors that are definitely neither signs of more surveillance gear being added by government agencies nor attacks by hostile powers. It's a shame that these fine services that everyone apparently needs and that worked so well for so long without a problem suddenly all have problems at the same time.

strict92• 8 months ago

Most or all of these lost significant institutional knowledge through layoff after layoff and jobs moved to lower cost countries.

Maybe a coincidence or maybe not.

lc642• 8 months ago

AWS was not a configuration error, it was a race condition on their load balancer's automated DNS record attribution that caused empty DNS records. As that issue was being fixed, it cascaded into further, more complex issues overloading EC2 instance provisioning.

Iulioh2• 8 months ago

I don't get how you ran to that conclusion...

ElectricSpoon• 8 months ago

Those football playoffs are really getting out of hand…

Ref: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43157000

TheJuli• 8 months ago

Good one!

mulhoon• 8 months ago

I know this is bad, and some people's livelihood and lives rely on critical infrastructure, but when these things happen, I sometimes think GOOD!, let's all just take a breather for a minute yeh? Go outside.

pogue2• 8 months ago

Why are we seeing AWS, then Azure, then Cloudflare all going down just out of the blue? I know they go down occasionally, but it's typically not major outages like this...

Diddylovesparty• 8 months ago

Its ironic that downdetector is down as well..

Mattia20014• 8 months ago

downdetector is up in italy

m00dy• 8 months ago

I think Companies are firing wrong people that we get these downtimes so often.

BeFlatXIII2• 8 months ago

Time to check Hacker News instead of work. Even my usual procrastination websites are down due to this.

yanhangyhy• 8 months ago

first time know a porn website i use is backed by cloudflare.

abelanger• 8 months ago

If anyone needs commands for turning off the CF proxy for their domains and happens to have a Cloudflare API token.

First you can grab the zone ID via:

    curl -X GET "https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/zones" -H "Authorization: Bearer $API_TOKEN" -H "Content-Type: application/json" | jq -r '.result[] | "\(.id) \(.name)"'

And a list of DNS records using:

    curl -X GET "https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/zones/$ZONE_ID/dns_records" -H "Authorization: Bearer $API_TOKEN" -H "Content-Type: application/json"

Each DNS record will have an ID associated. Finally patch the relevant records:

    curl -X PATCH "https://api.cloudflare.com/client/v4/zones/$ZONE_ID/dns_records/$RECORD_ID" -H "Authorization: Bearer $API_TOKEN" -H "Content-Type: application/json" --data '{"proxied":false}'

Copying from a sibling comment - some warnings:

- SSL/TLS: You will likely lose your Cloudflare-provided SSL certificate. Your site will only work if your origin server has its own valid certificate.

- Security & Performance: You will lose the performance benefits (caching, minification, global edge network) and security protections (DDoS mitigation, WAF) that Cloudflare provides.

- This will also reveal your backend internal IP addresses. Anyone can find permanent logs of public IP addresses used by even obscure domain names, so potential adversaries don't necessarily have to be paying attention at the exact right time to find it.

mig4ng4• 8 months ago

Awesome! I did it via the Terraform provider, but for anyone else without access to the dashboard this is great. Thank you!

sam-cop-vimes• 8 months ago

This is exactly what we've decided we should do next time. Unfortunately we didn't generate an API token so we are sitting twiddling our thumbs.

Edit: seems like we are back online!

napsterbr• 8 months ago

Took me ~30 minutes but eventually I was able to log in, get past the 2FA screen and change a DNS record.

I surely missed a valid API token today.

basch3• 8 months ago

Im able to generate keys right now through warp. Login takes forever but it is working.

duggan• 8 months ago

Also, for anyone who only has an old global API key lying around instead of the more recent tokens, you can set:

  -H "X-Auth-Email: $EMAIL_ADDRESS" -H "X-Auth-Key: $API_KEY"

instead of the Bearer token header.

Edit: and in case you're like me and thought it would be clever to block all non-Cloudflare traffic hitting your origin... remember to disable that.

basch3• 8 months ago

If anyone needs the internet to work again (or to get into your cf dashboard to generate API keys), if you have Cloudflare WARP installed, turning it on appears to fix otherwise broken sites. Maybe using 1.1.1.1 does too, but flipping the radio box was faster. Some parts of sites are still down, even after tunneling into to CF.

adi_kurian• 8 months ago

super helpful. thanks!

looks like i can get everywhere i couldn't except my cloudflare dash.

jlundberg• 8 months ago

Good advice!

And no need for -X GET to make a GET request with curl, it is the default HTTP method if you don’t send any content.

If you do send content with say -d curl will do a POST request, so no need for -X then either.

For PATCH though, it is the right curl option.

JoeOfTexas• 8 months ago

I would advise against this action. Just ride the crash.

RKFADU_UOFCCLEL5• 8 months ago

If people knew how to play the 5 hour long game they wouldn't have been using Cloudflare in the first place.

czue• 8 months ago

thanks for this! just expanded on a bit and published a write up here so it's easier to find in the future: https://www.coryzue.com/writing/cloudflare-dns/

digdugdirk• 8 months ago

If someone wanted to learn about how the modern infrastructure stack works, and why things like this occur, where would be some good resources to start?

_1tan• 8 months ago

Incident post mortems: https://github.com/danluu/post-mortems

lilOnion• 8 months ago

I just wanted to ask the same thing. I have a really basic idea of how everything is connected but would love to jump in more in depth.

How can such big incidents occur where half of the internet is down because of one company and what can be done to prevent that?

pona-a• 8 months ago

Our national transit agency is apparently a customer.

The departure tables are borked, showing incorrect data, the route map stopped updating, the website and route planner are down, and the API returns garbage. Despite everything, the management will be pleased to know the ads kept on running offline.

Why would you put a WAP between devices you control and your own infra, God knows.

cube002• 8 months ago

Why would you put a WAP between devices you control and your own infra

Checkbox security says a WAP is required and no CISO will put their neck on the line to approve the exemption.

wslh3• 8 months ago

Welcome to AOL.

thiago_fm• 8 months ago

ChatGPT isn't working.

No suicides created by ChatGPT Today. Billions of dollars in GPU will sit idle. Sudden drop of Linkedin content...

World is a better place

djfobbz4• 8 months ago

I’d rather mitigate a DDoS attack on my own servers than deal with Cloudflare. Having to prove you’re human is the second-worst thing on my list, right after accepting cookies. Those two things alone have made browsing the web a worse experience than it was in the late 90s or early 2000s.

reassess_blind7• 8 months ago

How do you plan on mitigating a DDoS on your own servers?

solusipse• 8 months ago

he'll politely ask them to stop

schnebbau• 8 months ago

You wait for it to stop.

ramon1565• 8 months ago

You turn off the screen. They can't hurt you if you don't see them

djfobbz4• 8 months ago

Alright kids, breathe...a DDoS attack isn't the end of the world, it's just the internet throwing a tantrum. If you really don't want to use a fancy protection provider, you can still act like a grown-up: get your datacenter to filter trash at the edge, announce a more specific prefix with BGP so you can shift traffic, drop junk with strict ACLs, and turn on basic rate limiting so bots get bored. You can also tune your kernel so it doesn't faint at SYN storms, and if the firehose gets too big, pop out a more specific BGP prefix from a backup path or secondary router so you can pull production away from the burning IP.

djfobbz4• 8 months ago

Worrying about a DDoS on your tiny setup is like a brand-new dev stressing over how they'll handle a billion requests per second...cute, but not exactly a real-world problem for 99.99% of you. It's one of those internet boogeyman myths people love to panic about.

marticode2• 8 months ago

There's worse than having to prove (over and over and over again) that you are human: having your IP just completely blocked by Cloudflare zealous bot-filtering (and I use a plain mass market ISP in a developed country and not some shady network)

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

Some of the mass-market ISPs are very shady - AT&T's Room 641A for example :)

codegeek• 8 months ago

As much as this situation sucks, how do you plan to "mitigate a DDoS attack on my own servers". The reason I use Cloudflare is to use it as a proxy especially for DDOS attacks if they do occur. Right now, our services are down and we are getting tons of customer support tickets (like everyone else) but it is a lot easier to explain the the whole world is down vs its just us.

djeastm• 8 months ago

it is a lot easier to explain the the whole world is down vs its just us.

Makes sense. The ability to pass the buck like this is 95% of the reason Cloudflare exists in the first place. Not being snarky, either.

redbell• 8 months ago

This Internet thing is steadily becoming the most fragile surface attack out there. No need for nuclear weapons anymore, just hit Cloudflare and AWS and we are back to the stone age.

IAmGraydon• 8 months ago

I host everything on Linode (have for over a decade) and am never caught up in these outages.

nicolaslem• 8 months ago

Linode has been rock solid for me. I wanted to back this comment with uptime numbers, unfortunately the service I use for that, Uptime Robot, is down because of Cloudflare...

mef• 8 months ago

aisuru?

medusae• 8 months ago

still down in Australia

porker2• 8 months ago

Is there any way to remove every SPOF?

Currently I have multi-region loadbalanced servers. DNS and WAF (and the load balancer) on Cloudflare.

Moving DNS elsewhere is step 1 so I'm not locked out - but then I can't use Cloudflare full stop (without enterprise pricing).

Multi-provider DNS and WAF - okay I could see how that works.

But what about the global load balancer, surely that has to remain a single point of failure?

dangoodmanUT• 8 months ago

No? The point of cloudflare is that they remove the spof for you, but I guess we can say they didn't do it quite perfectly

easternherald• 8 months ago

The Eastern Herald news website is down. Easternherald.com

zeroq• 8 months ago

the day the earth stood still

1970-01-01• 8 months ago

Looking forward to seeing their RCA. I'm guessing it's going to be glossy in terms of actual customer impact. "We didn't go offline, we just had 100% errors. For 60 minutes."

thekid314• 8 months ago

This NYTimes article makes it sound like the problem is fixed, but I'm not seeing any improvement yet.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/18/business/cloudflare-down-...

philipwhiuk10• 8 months ago

Latest is:

Update - The team is continuing to focus on restoring service post-fix. We are mitigating several issues that remain post-deployment. Nov 18, 2025 - 15:40 UTC

nish__• 8 months ago

Cloudflare has always been a shit company.

DeathArrow• 8 months ago

My theory is that people's skills are getting worse. Attention spans are diminishing, memory is shrinking. People age and retire, new less skilled generations are replacing them. There are studies about declining IQ in the last decades. Probably mobile phones and social media are to blame.

We see the signs with Amazon and Cloudflare going down, Windows Update breaking stuff. But the worse is yet to come, and I am thinking about airport traffic control, nuclear power plants, surgeons...

andsoitis• 8 months ago

There are studies about declining IQ in the last decades. Probably mobile phones and social media are to blame.

It is much more nuanced than that.

The long-term rise (Flynn Effect) of IQs in the 20th century is widely believed to be driven by environmental factors more than genetics.

Plateau / decline is context-dependent: The reversal or slowdown isn’t universal, like you suggest. It seems more pronounced in certain countries or cohorts.

Cognitive abilities are diversifying: As people specialize more (education, careers, lifestyles), the structure of intelligence (how different cognitive skills relate) might be changing.

Dquiroga• 8 months ago

Since when does critical infrastructure fail weekly?! One week is AWS, then azure + AWS, now cloudfare...

Time to go back to on prem. AWS and co are too expensive anyways

brandon272• 8 months ago

A lot of people are "on prem" but use CloudFlare to proxy traffic for DDoS attack mitigation, among other reasons.

speckx• 8 months ago

I wish the "pause CF" button would work via API or via any other way, even if there is an outage like this.

cromka2• 8 months ago

Wow, with outage of a scale like this, it must be measurable as a loss in global GDP

senfiaj3• 8 months ago

This is worse than than the Amazon outage. I couldn't even login to Cloudflare.

fpauser• 8 months ago

SPOF

tovej• 8 months ago

Is anybody keeping statistics on the frequency of these big global internet outages? It seems to be happening extremely frequently as of late, but it would be nice to have some data on that.

amukbils• 8 months ago

OpenAI & chatGPT also down from this

an-allen2• 8 months ago

What?! No way! Keen to see the post mortem on this. Its always DNS.

yusufmalikul• 8 months ago

I just comment here to be part of the history.

kevinkatzke• 8 months ago

Is it me or do these outages happen pretty often lately?

dnw2• 8 months ago

Our doctor's office can't make appointments because their "system is down."

Jamie4522• 8 months ago

Give me back ChatGPT pls

kordlessagain6• 8 months ago

Man in the middle!

alexpadula• 8 months ago

Oh boy

elcapithanos• 8 months ago

I'm genuinely curious how much of the web depends on cloudflare and AWS. This centralisation sucks though

erichocean• 8 months ago

Cloudflare captchas don't work, which has taken down both Claude and Perplexity for me.

Lovely.

theoldgreybeard2• 8 months ago

I miss the old internet where 1 company having an outage didn't take down most of it.

dSebastien• 8 months ago

Phew, my latest 3h30 workshop about Obsidian was saved. I recorded it this morning, not knowing about the Cloudflare issue (probably started while I was busy). I'm using Circle.so and they're down (my community site is now inaccessible). Luckily, they probably use AWS S3 or similar to host their files, so that part is still up and running.

Meanwhile all my sites are down. I'll just wait this one out, it's not the end of the world for me.

My GitHub actions are also down for one of my project because some third-party deps go through Cloudflare (Vulkan SDK). Just yesterday I was thinking to myself: "I don't like this dependency on that URL...". Now I like it even less

lucky-Scarlett• 8 months ago

I've been waiting for hours, it looks like I can finally take a day off today.

TimCTRL• 8 months ago

at least with Cloudflare, we may have the postmortem report tommorow

haritha-j• 8 months ago

makes you realise, if cloudflare or one of these large organisations decides to (/ gets ordered by a deranged US president to) block your internet access, that's a whole lot of internet you're suddenly cut off from. Yes, i know there are circumventions, but its still a owrrying thought.

fatchan• 8 months ago

Once again vindicated by running my own CDN and not living with the irrational belief that everything needs cloudflare.

cheerioty• 8 months ago

I swear they all sleeping and that one guy on call is like "sheeeeet"...

ghoshbishakh• 8 months ago

For cf tunnel alternatives are available, I maintain pinggy.io

brubsby• 8 months ago

I can't rebuild my NixOS image because of this lol. (chrome install not working)

herbst7• 8 months ago

I am paying for this shit service and this is my longest downtime I had in years. Can anyone recommend any other bottleneck to be annoyed with in future?

r7213• 8 months ago

Quote from The Guardian's story:

A spokesperson for Cloudflare said: “We saw a spike in unusual traffic to one of Cloudflare’s services beginning at 11.20am. That caused some traffic passing through Cloudflare’s network to experience errors. While most traffic for most services continued to flow as normal, there were elevated errors across multiple Cloudflare services.
“We do not yet know the cause of the spike in unusual traffic. We are all hands on deck to make sure all traffic is served without errors. After that, we will turn our attention to investigating the cause of the unusual spike in traffic.”

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2025/nov/18/cloudflar...

Jamie4522• 8 months ago

Sounds like it may have been a cyber attack...

lm28469• 8 months ago

That's not what I'm hearing from insiders

delfinom3• 8 months ago

"Unusual spike of traffic" can just be errant misconfiguration that causes traffic spikes just from TCP retries or the like. Jumping to "cyber attack" is eating up Hollywood drama.

In most cases, it's just cloud services eating shit from a bug.

mrP1p12• 8 months ago

Gpt and perplexity still down

mrP1p12• 8 months ago

Germany

endoacustica2• 8 months ago

Right now is working in Italy: https://www.endoacustica.com/ I hope will be not down again.

eruci2• 8 months ago

This is ridiculous:

They just posted:

Update We've deployed a change which has restored dashboard services. We are still working to remediate broad application services impact Posted 2 minutes ago. Nov 18, 2025 - 14:34 UTC

but,.. I'm stuck at the captcha that does not work: dash.cloudflare.com Verifying you are human. This may take a few seconds.

dash.cloudflare.com needs to review the security of your connection before proceeding.

dzink• 8 months ago

It’s back.

HocusLocus2• 8 months ago

That must have been a really big backhoe...

shridharxp• 8 months ago

It's interesting to see hacker news response time reaching almost 2 seconds for this post.

robotfelix6• 8 months ago

A fix has been implemented and we believe the incident is now resolved. We are continuing to monitor for errors to ensure all services are back to normal. Posted 3 minutes ago. Nov 18, 2025 - 14:42 UTC

Seems like they think they've fixed it fully this time!

gpi• 8 months ago

Close! They just updated their states and it's back to working on a fix

Update - Some customers may be still experiencing issues logging into or using the Cloudflare dashboard. We are working on a fix to resolve this, and continuing to monitor for any further issues. Nov 18, 2025 - 14:57 UTC

psim1• 8 months ago

Later today or tomorrow there's going to be a post on HN pointing to Cloudflare's RCA and multitudes here are going to praise CF for their transparency. Let's not forget that CF sucks and took half the internet down for four hours. Transparency or no, this should not be happening.

rikafurude213• 8 months ago

Alot of things shouldnt be happening. Fact is that no one forced half the internet to make CF their point of failure. The internet should ask themselves if that was the right call

fasteo2• 8 months ago

The whole damn internet now depends on them. I guess I am bullish for $NET

hoppp• 8 months ago

Cloudflare is a central point of failure.

NooneAtAll3• 8 months ago

monopoly causes problems for all customers?

oh no, anyway

renegat0x0• 8 months ago

This reminds me that I really like self-hosting. While it is true that many of things do not work, all my services do work. It has some tradeoffs of course.

telepromptereye3• 8 months ago

I didn’t see anyone comment this directly, but something these recent outages made me wonder, having spent a good chunk of my career in 24/7 tech support, is that I can’t even fathom the amount of people who have been:

- restarting their routers and computers instead of taking their morning shower, getting their morning coffee, taking their medication on time because they’re freaking out, etc. - calling ISPs in a furious mood not knowing it’s a service in the stack and not the provider’s fault (maybe) - being late for work in general - getting into arguments with friends and family and coworkers about politics and economics - being interrupted making their jerk chicken

koakuma-chan• 8 months ago

My static website hosted on cloudflare works :/

Oopsin• 8 months ago

should we think about Akamai

gadsnprch2• 8 months ago

This seems to corroborate the recent controversial claims that American workers do not possess the aptitudes needed to succeed in the 21st century. If only we could have gotten more children to learn to code. Sigh.

DaSHacka5• 8 months ago

Very true, clearly all these issues that started cropping up after fortune 500 companies started offshoring indicates they didn't offshore fast enough

gadsnprch2• 8 months ago

Accelerate the eschaton.

dpacmittal2• 8 months ago

Can't wait to read their post-mortem report

Stasshe• 8 months ago

in Japan, now, it's alive.

how about your location?

delduca• 8 months ago

Pretty sure they used Vibe Coding...

acc_297• 8 months ago

If a cloud vendor with 1 million users experiences a long term outage: the vendor has a serious problem. If a cloud vendor with 1 billion users experiences a long term outage: the internet has a serious problem. Yada-yada-yada xkcd/2347 but it's the big block in the middle which crumbled

octoberfranklin2• 8 months ago

What part of "single point of failure" do people not understand?

Stop. Using. Cloudflare.

aavshr• 8 months ago

In short, a latent bug in a service underpinning our bot mitigation capability started to crash after a routine configuration change we made. That cascaded into a broad degradation to our network and other services. This was not an attack.

From the CTO, Source: https://x.com/dok2001/status/1990791419653484646

imdsm7• 8 months ago

Configuration changes are dangerous for CF it seems, and knocked down $NET almost 4% today. I wonder what the industry wide impact is for each of these outages?

sammy22554• 8 months ago

Pre market was red for all tech stocks today before the outage even happened

nobody99992• 8 months ago

Configuration changes are dangerous for CF it seems, and knocked down $NET almost 4% today. I wonder what the industry wide impact is for each of these outages?

This is becoming the "new normal." It seems like every few months, there's another "outage" that takes down vast swathes of internet properties, since they're all dependent on a few platforms and those platforms are, clearly, poorly run.

This isn't rocket surgery here. Strong change management, QA processes and active business continuity planning/infrastructure would likely have caught this (or not), as is clear from other large platforms that we don't even think about because outages are so rare.

Like airline reservations systems[0], credit card authorization systems from VISA/MasterCard, American Express, etc.

Those systems (and others) have outages in the "once a decade" or even much, much, longer ranges. Are the folks over at SABRE and American Express that much smarter and better than Cloudflare/AWS/Google Cloud/etc.? No. Not even close. What they are is careful as they know their business is dependent on making sure their customers can use their services anytime/anywhere, without issue.

It amazes me the level of "Stockholm Syndrome"[1] expressed by many posting to this thread, expressing relief that it wasn't "an attack" and essentially blaming themselves for not having the right tools (API keys, etc.) to recover from the gross incompetence of, this time at least, Cloudflare.

I don't doubt that I'll get lots of push back from folks claiming, "it's hard to do things at scale," and/or "there are way too many moving parts," and the like.

Other organizations like the ones I mention above don't screw they're customers every 4-6 months with (clearly) insufficiently tested configuration and infrastructure changes.

Yet many here seem to think that's fine, even though such outages are often crushing to their businesses. But if the customers of these huge providers don't demand better, they'll only get worse. And that's not (at least in my experience) a very deep or profound idea.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_reservations_system

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

__turbobrew__5• 8 months ago

It still astounds me that the big dogs still do not phase config rollouts. Code is data, configs are data, they are one and the same. It was the same issue with the giant crowdstrike outage last year, they were rawdogging configs globally and a bad config made it out there and everything went kaboom.

You NEED to phase config rollouts like you phase code rollouts.

JohnMakin2• 8 months ago

In a company I am no longer with I argued much the same when we rolled out "global CI/CD" on IAC. You made one change, committed and pushed, wham it's on 40+ server clusters globally. I hated it. The principal was enamored with it, "cattle not pets" and all that, but the result was things slowed down considerably because anyone working with it became so terrified of making big changes.

wbl2• 8 months ago

Then you get customer visible delays.

siegecraft• 8 months ago

I think it's uncharitable to jump to the conclusion that just because there was a config-based outage they don't do phased config rollouts. And even more uncharitable to compare them to crowdstrike.

crazygringo6• 8 months ago

The big dogs absolutely do phase config rollouts as a general rule.

There are still two weaknesses:

1) Some configs are inherently global and cannot be phased. There's only one place to set them. E.g. if you run a webapp, this would be configs for the load balancer as opposed to configs for each webserver

2) Some configs have a cascading effect -- even though a config is applied to 1% of servers, it affects the other servers they interact with, and a bad thing spreads across the entire network

immibis5• 8 months ago

Because adversaries adapt quickly, they have a system that deploys their counter-adversary bits quickly without phasing - no matter whether they call them code or configs. See also: Crowdstrike.

himinlomax• 8 months ago

You can't protect against _latent bugs_ with phased rollouts.

JohnMakin2• 8 months ago

Wish this could rocket to the top of the comment thread, digging through hundreds of comments speculating about a cyberattack to find this felt silly

gk1• 8 months ago

Aaaaand it's down again.

fasteo2• 8 months ago

a routine configuration change we made

Every.Single.Time

[1] https://x.com/dok2001/status/1990791419653484646

sidcool3• 8 months ago

The status is still Red on their dashboard.

tmaly• 8 months ago

What are the odds this is a human configuration error related to DNS?

abhisek• 8 months ago

This is crazy. The internet has so much direct and transitive dependency on Cloudflare today. Pretty much the #1 dev slacking excuse today is no longer code compiling but cloudflare is down.

asimpletune• 8 months ago

Email workers of all things seem to have slowed down dramatically, although they're not down completely.

eth0up• 8 months ago

I happened to be working with Claude when this occurred. Having no idea what exactly what the cause was, I jumped over to GPT and observed the same. I did a dig challenges.cloudflare.com and by the time I'd figured out kind of what was happening, it seemed to have... resolved itself

I must say I'm astonished, as naive as it may be, to see the number of separate platforms affected by this. And it has been a bit of a learning experience too.

ramon1565• 8 months ago

is anyone's hackernews lagging when loading the comments? ive seen posts with 2k comments before but for some reason this took longer

catholiccs2• 8 months ago

PEBKAC error

bigbuppo• 8 months ago

Has anyone else noticed a major drop in email spam with this cloudflare outage?

omani• 8 months ago

one way to mitigate DDoS is to enforce source IP checks on the way OUT of a datacenter (egress).

sure there are botnets, infected devices, etc that would conform to this but where does the sheer power of a big ddos attack come from? including those who sell it as a service. they have to have some infrastructure in some datacenter right?

make a law that forces every edge router of a datacenter to check for source IP and you would eliminate a very big portion of DDoS as we know it.

until then, the only real and effective method of mitigating a DDoS attack is with even more bandwidth. you are basically a black hole to the attack, which cloudflare basically is.

vlovich1232• 8 months ago

The biggest attacks literally come from botnets. There’s not a lot coming from infrastructure services precisely because these services are incentivized to shut that shit down. At most it would be used as the control plane which is how people attempt to shut down the botnets.

kazen446• 8 months ago

alright, what you are proposing is kind of hard to do. Source routing is not easy, and source validations is even harder.

and what prevents me, as a abuse hoster or "bad guy" from just announcing my own IP space directly on a transit or IXP?

You might say, the IXP should do source checking aswell, but what if ipspace is distributed/anycasted across multiple ASN's/ on the IXP?

Also, if you add multiple egress points distributed across different routing domains, it gets complicated fast.

Does my transit upstream need to do source validation of my IP space? What about their upstream? Also, how would he know which IPspace belongs to which ASN's considering the allocation of ASN numbers and IP space is distributed across different organisations across the globe. (some of which are more malicious/non function than others[0]). Source routing becomes extremly complex because there is no single, universal mapping between IP space and ASN's they belong too.

[0]https://afrinic.net/notice-for-termination-of-the-receiversh...

tethys• 8 months ago

This incident has been resolved. Posted 4 minutes ago. Nov 18, 2025 - 19:28 UTC

Better link for chroniclers, since the incident is now buried pretty far down on the status page: https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/incidents/8gmgl950y3h7

dang2• 8 months ago

Thanks! We've switched to that from https://www.cloudflarestatus.com/?t=1 at the top.

crest• 8 months ago

Oh the nuclear bomb proof network is unusable because someone sneezed over at Cloudflare.

gorgoiler• 8 months ago

I would love to see a competition for the most banal thing that went wrong as a result of this. For example, I’m pretty sure the reason my IKEA locker wouldn’t latch shut was because the OS had hung while talking to a Cloudflare backend.

yellow_cobra• 8 months ago

Funny enough, it happened on the same day that AWS CloudFront launched their flat-rate plans!

dsamy• 8 months ago

Time to consider alternatives: https://x.com/GithubProjects/status/1990804801811329329

snoppy45• 8 months ago

I think you should give me a credit for all the income I lost due to this outage. Who authorized a change to the core infrastructure during the period of the year when your customers make the most income? Seriously, this is a management failure at the highest levels of decision-making. We don't make any changes to our server infrastructure/stack during the busiest time of the year, and neither should you. If there were an alternative to Cloudflare, I'd leave your service and move my systems elsewhere.

Martcpp• 8 months ago

deny (clippy:: unwrap_used)

jeisc• 8 months ago

is this the result of AI software improvements?

AbstractH24• 8 months ago

Is it me, or do the outages of single points of failure for large swaths of the internet tend to cluster within weeks/days of one another?

Anyone know why? Could be totally bias because one news story propels the next, so when they happen in clusters, you just hear about them more than when they don't.

krbaccord94f• 8 months ago

Cloudflare issue is due to latency in DDOS errors.

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edbergavera• 8 months ago

I didn't think about the Cloudflare API, but we'll make sure to do it next time. Hopefully, it won't happen again. I want Cloudflare to delegate DNS control to an external provider so it's easy to disable/enable the CF proxy in case something like this happens.

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