Siri AI

https://www.apple.com/apple-intelligence/

by 0xedb • 1 month ago

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Associated post: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/apple-introduces-siri...

nico2• 1 month ago

The demo video there is so underwhelming. They show very basic stuff, which I assumed Siri was already capable of doing... not sure what the big improvement is

lotsofpulp• 1 month ago

Based on my experience, I assume Siri is not capable of anything more than setting timers or referring me to my phone to see the search results.

baggachipz• 1 month ago

coming this fall

I believe we also heard that a couple years ago.

MattDamonSpace5• 1 month ago

Went out of their way to show actual usage of these features on actual devices in actual people’s hands

troupo3• 1 month ago

In a pre-recorded video after who knows how many takes.

15 years ago they had the balls to run Siri live on stage: https://youtu.be/6rL9EL2LlrA?is=5yMQxs0C2VAC5Lwz

losvedir2• 1 month ago

Heh, I noticed the same thing, after the DaringFireball callout last year about the normal product demo progression. It looks "real" this time, but the question is how far along we are: will the journalists have a chance to play with it at the event?

andiareso• 1 month ago

I noticed that, but I also noticed that it is ridiculously slow too which prompts the person to keep talking while the response was being generated.

After getting it in my hands, it's the same. At least 4 times slower for similar basic Siri responses. My guess is they are doing less local and more server-side generation to start as the on-device models might not be good enough yet.

r0fl2• 1 month ago

Newest phones get latest models

Genius way to sell more phones

Really they are just selling on device Ai

reconnecting5• 1 month ago

Amazing how this time Apple found the `sweet spot` to release Siri AI when the letter combination A and I has fed up literally everyone.

minimaxir2• 1 month ago

Apple notably threw shade at the existing AI implementations, with an emphasis on making Siri AI more human-focused.

The stock price definitely didn't like it though.

hmokiguess2• 1 month ago

I feel like the hate came more from the "Available today for Developers and later in Beta" than anything

reconnecting5• 1 month ago

I mean, seriously, AI = Apple Intelligence?

It's not even funny, it's not smart. It's like if they released MS Siri and said it's Mac System Siri.

greedo• 1 month ago

The stock market is notorious for dropping on almost any Apple conference or announcement.

graypegg3• 1 month ago

Watching the keynote at our office on a big screen and everyone collectively sighing when they announced the name felt indicative haha.

I think it just feels uncreative? Siri as a brand has some value, but if you want it to feel like a watershed moment where old Siri is "behind us" finally, just give it a new name.

reconnecting5• 1 month ago

I don't think Apple has the option to rebrand Siri at this stage, assuming people actually call Siri by name. However, turning AI into 'Apple Intelligence' doesn't feel creative either.

spike021• 1 month ago

we were doing the same thing and giggling a bit that it's basically "AI AI" now. realistically a lot of people thought of Siri as AI already.

ryukoposting• 1 month ago

Or just keep calling it Siri, and announce "hey look, Siri does some cool new things."

AI is a technology, not a product. Consumers don't care about technologies, they care about what the product does versus what they currently have.

I think Jobs was an asshole, but one good thing I can say about him is that he understood the difference between technology and products. Imagine if they had called it the "iPod HDD."

threetonesun• 1 month ago

It's going to be weird though when my phone has Siri AI and my Homepod has Siri... "please ask on your iPhone" edition. I also don't quite get the distinction of Siri as an app versus the Siri I yell at to make my TV do something.

amelius• 1 month ago

Amazing how someone again finds a meaningless thing Apple does better than the rest then blows it out of proportions. Makes you wonder if they are on Apple's PR team.

reconnecting5• 1 month ago

It looks bad from every perspective. I've never seen two apple's in one URL for product category before. apple.com/apple-intelligence

To prove my point, I opened a random date on the Apple website matching today's date to compare. 16 years ago, June 8 (1) Apple released the iPhone 4. There's still no room for jokes about that release, and from this perspective, calling their AI 'Apple Intelligence' feels weak compared to what they used to deliver.

I agree that some years ago Apple was the strongest in marketing, their brand team had been setting the bar for tech, but I simply can't say that anymore.

1. https://web.archive.org/web/20100608073904/http://www.apple....

Danox13• 1 month ago

So you noticed the five ecosystems being shown working together, not perfectly but better than everyone else.

wilg• 1 month ago

More or less stuck AI in all the obvious spots, which will probably be fine I guess. Not super exciting!

minimaxir2• 1 month ago

I wonder how much of Siri AI is Apple-developed and how much of it is Google-developed as a result of Gemini. The a) search demos and b) image generation demos seem unlikely to have been done by Apple alone, the demos being closer to Google Search and Nano Banana respectively.

thewebguyd6• 1 month ago

It looks almost entirely like gemini. The images they showed are obviously nano banana, and the text responses are almost obviously Gemini (I say as a somewhat frequent Gemini user).

I'm sure they customized some of it, but this looks basically like Gemini integrated with iCloud instead of Google Workspace.

devindotcom• 1 month ago

I'm curious what the obvious tells were for you. I never use any of these tools so I do wonder what sets them apart for those in frequent contact.

losvedir2• 1 month ago

I was wondering the same. I have to imagine it's mostly Gemini, unless Apple has a big, secret, SotA foundation model no one has heard of? But if it is Gemini, how does that work with their Private Cloud thing? Are they able to load the Gemini weights into it?

WarmWash• 1 month ago

IIRC Apple cut a deal to have their own version of Gemini that is hosted just for them.

testfrequency• 1 month ago

There was not a single thing they launched that I have not seen Gemini already showcase capability or existing feature wise

Danox13• 1 month ago

The only thing you saw was phoning home, that’s what’s gonna be interesting when Apple releases their version. Is it phoning home 100% of the time or can you turn off the Internet and have it perform in the same way, there will be plenty of YouTubers that will give it the test a test I might add that they haven’t done up until this point for anything that Google has put out?

madeofpalk• 1 month ago

Is Siri any more or less than “just” an agentic harness such as OpenClaw? How much of what that harness does is up to the LLM or the harness itself?

In my mind the Gemini LLM defines the bounds of capability and capacity, but any actual functionality or usefulness (or lack of) comes from Apple’s Siri harness.

whywhywhywhy3• 1 month ago

It’s almost all Gemini and the “Apple local models” part seems to just be image embeddings/descriptions powering new spotlight and the like which is also likely someone else’s model.

timwis• 1 month ago

For real this time...

seaal2• 1 month ago

Fix passwords with a tap.
The Passwords app alerts you to weak or compromised passwords and can update them on your behalf without the hassle.

Finally, I hope this works well. Personally one of the worst things to deal with.

avarun• 1 month ago

1Password has been able to do this for five+ years. Frankly, it doesn't even really need agentic AI, although a talented team could probably make it perform better with agentic AI.

I don't really believe in Apple being that quality team.

nozzlegear17• 1 month ago

I don't really believe in Apple being that quality team.

Why?

sleepybrett2• 1 month ago

I mean every api/app/website has a different way to do this. If there was a standardized api that everyone could conform to to allow this automation I would be all for it. I assume 1p does this by writing custom code/rules for dealing with the most popular sites out there and then erroring out for anything else.

AI could potentially help solve those unpopular site/app/whatever edgecase.

sanex• 1 month ago

I hope they don't feed the actual password into the model.

akmarinov3• 1 month ago

Don’t they say it runs on device? Then why not?

nixpulvis4• 1 month ago

Apple Passwords reliably updates passwords in its database before the password is confirmed to be actually changed. I've been locked out of accounts many times to this. They really need to focus on these basic UX issues.

lxgr5• 1 month ago

Does it at least store the old password for a while in some archive, like most competitors do?

umpalumpaaa4• 1 month ago

1Password gives you access to previous passwords you had for that reason.

Unfortunately not for other fields like email, notes etc…

IMHO the perfect password app could just keep all previous versions of any field until the user deletes the history.

bouke• 1 month ago

Yep. I get anxious when Safari starts to offer a new password for an existing account. Having access to previous passwords would be such great UX, but no, no such thing.

dwaite6• 1 month ago

At least on 26, the passwords app saves a history with previous passwords.

xp8411• 1 month ago

I'll believe this when pigs fly.

There's a 0% chance it will work. Most websites I've seen have one or all of:

* Force you to use email or SMS as a "second factor" to unlock changing password even if you know the old password

* A stupid idea of password complexity usually requiring one of a finite set of 5-8 "special characters" which is often only revealed after you've chosen a password that doesn't have them. Or in some cases even banning characters other than the ones they check for. There's a standard for this where you put a regex on the password field, which a good password manager will always use, but the kind of idiots who think limiting the entropy of passwords to increase security is the correct way to do things almost NEVER implement this.

* A maximum password length, even as short as 16 characters in many cases

* CAPTCHA etc.

Any effort spent on this would be better spent elsewhere, including even educating other companies on how passkeys should be used.

charcircuit5• 1 month ago

They may be limiting entropy to make it easier for users to remember their password. A user that can't log in is most likely one that will churn.

mimischi• 1 month ago

Some of your points are addressed by: https://github.com/apple/password-manager-resources

dwaite6• 1 month ago

Force you to use email or SMS as a "second factor" to unlock changing password even if you know the old password

Apple has detectors for codes sent via email or SMS, if your email account is one that is configured with the OS mail client.

A stupid idea of password complexity usually requiring one of a finite set of 5-8 "special characters" which is often only revealed after you've chosen a password that doesn't have them. Or in some cases even banning characters other than the ones they check for. There's a standard for this where you put a regex on the password field, which a good password manager will always use, but the kind of idiots who think limiting the entropy of passwords to increase security is the correct way to do things almost NEVER implement this.

An AI agent can read the failure message and craft a new password

A maximum password length, even as short as 16 characters in many cases

Same deal

CAPTCHA etc.

While there's always the complex solution of scanning the image and trying to detect what is going on or slide the puzzle with enough of a curve to act like the motion of a human limb, there's also Private Access Tokens, supported by both Cloudflare and Google-provided captcha systems now IIRC. The OS uses an anonymous system to assert a single bit that there's proper browser chain-of-custody.

Any effort spent on this would be better spent elsewhere, including even educating other companies on how passkeys should be used.

There are proposals as well to provide API to do upgrades from passwords to passkeys as well automatically. Nobody said the feature has to always use AI - but it may help the feature be robust enough for people to seek it out and try it.

cosmic_cheese• 1 month ago

Don’t forget those sites/apps that split the sign in process across five screens for bow good reason or those with mislabeled fields that password managers can’t pick up on.

I don’t think I’ve seen a single category of UX fail as hard and as often as auth screens do. It’s like at some point after 2015-2017 developers were struck with mass amnesia and forgot how to build decent login UIs.

fwip2• 1 month ago

Limiting the character set is done to reduce the frequency of "can't enter my password" support calls, not to increase security directly. Same with the maximum password length.

OberstKrueger• 1 month ago

Available on iPhone 17 Pro, iPhone 17 Pro Max, iPhone Air, iPad models with M4 and later and at least 12GB of unified memory, and Mac models with M3 and later and at least 12GB of unified memory.

It’s really disappointing to see the on-device models being limited to so few devices. And this was after the iPhone 16 and 16 Pro were marketed so heavily with supporting their now failed effort at AI.

Amorymeltzer• 1 month ago

That's specifically the secondary, more-powerful model. It was only mentioned in passing in the keynote, but on this page anyway, it seems to be just the improved dictation in Siri and ability to customize pacing, etc.

havaloc• 1 month ago

The 12gb number is weird, but also telling.

iPhones have 12gb, current Neo has 8gb, the next gen Neo is speculated to have 12gb (as it'll be based on a later iPhone chip).

onesociety20224• 1 month ago

Apple has pulled a Tesla here. FSD on HW3 cars is stuck on old software with no upgrade path as of now. Tesla is potentially justifying it by calling it "FSD (Supervised)" so they don't have to do an expensive retrofit to them even though they sold these cars originally with the promise of fully autonomous driving.

All the iPhone 16/Pro owners have been waiting for Apple Intelligence features announced from that WWDC 2 years ago. They didn't get delivered and now won't ever be delivered with on-device intelligence due to the 8GB RAM limitation.

josho• 1 month ago

It’s really disappointing to see the on-device models being limited to so few devices.

At first I thought it was the usual planned obsolescence. Then I realized it may be a true technical limitation. I suspect an embedding model is required to run on device in order to make several of the features work. Embedding models are small compared to LLMs, but, depending on their capabilities, could be the memory driver.

troupo3• 1 month ago

At first I thought it was the usual planned obsolescence. Then I realized it may be a true technical limitation.

It's shortsightedness on Apple's part, being both the first to the game, and the last to the game. Go back any number of years in the past decade. For at ;east 10 years Apple was telling everyone how great their local models are, and how amazing desktop-class their "neural" chips are. And yet here we are with them somehow incapable of running anything except on a few recent top-tier models.

browningstreet2• 1 month ago

I'm glad I've been sitting on my iPhone 15 Pro Max... I'll upgrade someday, if/when I need to and the software updates are compelling, but I'll see how things run on my M5 Macbook. But the 15 Pro Max isn't subpar in any other way.

e28eta4• 1 month ago

I’ve got a 2023 Mac Studio M2, and was dismayed by the M3 & later. So I’ve been trying to track down more details. That specific device list is only for:

Apple’s most powerful on-device model and the features it enables, like expressive voices and more advanced dictation, […]

On other devices, I think there’s still on device support (just not with the “most powerful model”), for these devices:

Apple Intelligence and Siri AI in iOS 27, iPadOS 27, macOS 27, watchOS 27, and visionOS 27 are available on iPhone 16 models or later, iPhone 15 Pro, iPhone 15 Pro Max, iPad mini (A17 Pro), MacBook Neo (A18 Pro), iPad models with M1 or later, Mac with M1 or later, Apple Vision Pro, Apple Watch Series 9 or later, Apple Watch Ultra 2 or later, and Apple Watch SE 3 when paired with an Apple Intelligence-enabled iPhone nearby.

This is from the footnotes on https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/apple-introduces-siri...

I do wish they’d been more clear about what the “advanced features” are :(

nobody_r_knows• 1 month ago

This whole "coming this fall", "later this year", it's annoying. I miss the days when Steve Jobs used to say "and it's available right now, you can demo it in the hall outside, we're going ot make a billion dollars by tonight."

Melatonic3• 1 month ago

To be fair this is the conference for developers - not the general public

kalleboo2• 1 month ago

So... 2001? Because by 2002 (MacOS X 10.2) Steve was already "previewing" the next MacOS at WWDC for a release in the fall.

nafizh• 1 month ago

They should have changed the name as per branding. I hear Siri, I subconsciously associate it with really bad software.

avazhi3• 1 month ago

I hear Apple and I associate with it with laughable AI integration, an unserious UI, and buggy software.

Apple’s entire software stack has a branding problem.

nozzlegear17• 1 month ago

This sounds like a take that you'd probably only find on HN though. It seems dubious that regular Apple users see any issues with the software stack or with Siri, certainly not to the point that it'd be a branding problem for Apple.

hbn6• 1 month ago

Hey if they could turn Apple Maps around, why not Siri?

arijun• 1 month ago

They’re adding vibecoded shortcuts (the high level scripting for Apple devices). Hopefully that means they worked out some of the long-existing bugs and missing features, but I’m not optimistic. Still, could be a useful tool, especially for less tech-literate people.

seaal2• 1 month ago

Just updated to see if I could make a shortcut to toggle `Reduced White Point` accessibility shortcut.

"Try describing something different for the shortcut."

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that it still doesn't work.

iknowstuff4• 1 month ago

Lol that sucks. But FYI you can set it to a triple press of the power button.

cgearhart• 1 month ago

I just tested this myself. I wrote “flip the reduce white point toggle accessibility option in the settings app” and it worked perfectly. Run once to set it and run again to disable it.

jameshart2• 1 month ago

It increases the value app developers might get out of offering shortcut actions - similar to how the advent of MCPs seems to have kicked a bunch of SaaS vendors into offering a clean API, the advent of Siri being able to tap into shortcut actions - and script them - might make it feel more worthwhile to app devs to open up deep functions.

zzyzxd• 1 month ago

If they are ok with shortcuts being vibecoded, maybe it's time to expose a proper programming language to the end users as well.

All my automation shortcuts can be easily explained in pseudo code under 5 minutes, but it took me ages to put them together because that weird UI/UX forcing me to drag-and-drop squares around to manipulate data structures. Programmers hate it, non-programmers can't understand it, it is not designed for anybody.

bronco21016• 1 month ago

100%. It’s accessible to only the truly stubborn among us who have no other option available to make things just work.

kalleboo2• 1 month ago

It's funny how they went from AppleScript -> "oh writing scripts is too complicated for users, let's create Automator" -> "Automator is too simple, let's create Shortcuts" -> now with shortcuts being generated by language models they need a structured scripting language again.

AppleScript even had "dictionaries" declaring their commands and everything, would have been perfect way teach LLMs how to automate applications.

nozzlegear17• 1 month ago

You can write AppleScript in JavaScript, a much better language than applescript itself. Neither are usable outside of macOS ofc

archagon2• 1 month ago

I've never been more frustrated programming something than when I tried to build a non-trivial Shortcut. Things that I could have expressed in a quick script took me literal hours to compose and debug using the WYSIWYG interface. And since there's no version control, any mistake runs the risk of dislocating an element or messing up an input/output connection and breaking everything permanently.

ex-aws-dude• 1 month ago

How long until they allow sandboxed vibecoded apps?

Seems like the logical next step

0gs2• 1 month ago

all the limitations of on-device with none of the benefits, it seems? they gotta get SOMETHING out there and soon but idk, i would probably feel safer running a chinese model through a 3P iOS app shell vs. trusting Geminiri to not snitch if i cared about the sanctity of my personal information.

nozzlegear17• 1 month ago

all the limitations of on-device with none of the benefits, it seems?

What do you mean?

0gs2• 1 month ago

i think i just mean if they are using google models, then i believe every query is going to google no matter what apple claims about "keeping it local." whether google does anything with it, separate question i guess, but i imagine it will ALSO be slow to simulate the protection apple is selling. and sure, it's a catty comment, i'll own that. but that is my read on the announcements and demonstrations.

hmokiguess2• 1 month ago

missed opportunity to call it "VibeSiri"

micromacrofoot• 1 month ago

The most notable thing here is that they finally have the primitives to make Siri actually useful across apps. I can't even use Siri to close Google Maps in my car right now.

brailsafe• 1 month ago

Apple's "New Coke" moment?

speak_plainly• 1 month ago

The demo Mike Rockwell gave at WWDC was interesting. He kinda showed off Siri as like the Star Trek computer for your phone. I hope this is the direction Apple is going to continue in. Having AI as a user interface is way more interesting than chat bots, image editors, or copy editing.

crancher• 1 month ago

I think the key thing is that Spotlight is now creating a... knowledge graph? of everything on your device for Siri's consideration. That's potentially very useful.

arcatech• 1 month ago

I think it’s just storing embeddings now.

tanmaydesh51892• 1 month ago

I suspect it is Kuzu in the backend. I had called it out earlier this year in my article. ".. WWDC 2026 or 2027 introduces any “contextual intelligence” features in Siri that require cross-app relationship reasoning."https://medium.com/data-science-collective/i-analyzed-163k-l...

_boffin_• 1 month ago

The "knowledge graph" has been there for a long long time....

jlhawn• 1 month ago

they specifically said "Splotlight Semantic Indexing" which means they generate embeddings of all your "personal context" and store it in a local vector database so they can do on-device RAG.

bunher• 1 month ago

Will it change iOS Settings for me that are hard to find by me just describing what I want? Or things like: delete every app I haven’t used in 6 months?

vdfs• 1 month ago

"I delete all your apps since I've been installed this month and I don't have enough records to suggest otherwise, to comply with your request I've deleted every app and also deleted the backups to save space on your device."

blizarre• 1 month ago

I have found that asking Siri to "ask ChatGPT" was enough 99% of the time for me and solved the discoverability problem that I had with my previous phones.

I think that we are now in the realm of diminishing returns regarding these chat assistants.

hollowturtle3• 1 month ago

Having AI as a user interface is way more interesting than chat bots, image editors, or copy editing.

What do you mean exactly? Audio conversation only? If so I don't see it very practical for most of the things

SecretDreams3• 1 month ago

Use android auto Gemini assistant for 5 mins and tell me how interesting it is.

WorldPeas3• 1 month ago

apple's highly opinionated developer strategy has a strength here insofar as they could use it to deconstruct existing apps into generative ui programs that the user may compose to their needs (e.g. putting a webview for cooking instructions above a timer) though of course app publishers would decry it, Apple's never really seemed keen on listening to them.

saintfire• 1 month ago

Nor have they been keen on letting users OR devs customize the ui.

brucifer• 1 month ago

He kinda showed off Siri as like the Star Trek computer for your phone.

This is a truly damning comparison. In Star Trek, the massively powerful ship's computer is mainly ignored in favor of touchscreen interfaces and the natural language voice controls on the computer are mainly used for making tea and occasionally asking a question, which the computer often can't answer or answers incorrectly. All real work is done using other interfaces.

barumrho• 1 month ago

This looks pretty promising to me. It will likely replace the need to set up OpenClaw for average personal users. The work of getting email, messages, and all the personal data on the phone as context seamlessly is not as straightforward as one might think.

I'm curious how the pricing will work. Would it be free up to some limit and then some subscription pricing? I can't imagine it can be free unlimited usage given the price of serving these models.

aurareturn9• 1 month ago

This is why OpenAI thinks it needs to build its own physical devices. If Apple is only allowing its own AI to operate at the OS level, then that leaves OpenAI with no choice but to build their own.

Meta also realized this and attempted multiple times to build their own hardware but they've given up each time. They started as early as a partnering with HTC in 2011 to make a Facebook phone.

Quite frankly, I'm kind of excited to see what OpenAI can build. I think an AI-first phone could challenge iOS and Android. It's a new paradigm and if OpenAI gets it right, it'll be very hard for Apple and Google to pivot.

I personally think chat + code is the future of apps. For example, I find myself wanting to do many things inside ChatGPT instead of traditional app because I can tell it to do things that are simply impossible on a static app UI. For example, I have some data I want to send to an app but before I do, I want ChatGPT to clean the data in some way first. And then after the data is uploaded, I want ChatGPT to pull some data off the API and make charts that I want to see.

I imagine a world where very intelligent models run at 10k tokens/s, app building is extremely standardized, and it simply builds any app you want inside the OS. IE, if you want a dashboard of your health data, you ask it to build it almost instantly exactly how you want it. I'm already doing something similar today but it's slow and not easy to do for non-engineers.

layer82• 1 month ago

If Apple is only allowing its own AI to operate at the OS level

Incidentally, that’s what’s preventing Apple from rolling out their OS-privileged AI in the EU, as the EU mandates equal access for competing AI products. It will be interesting how this plays out.

officeplant5• 1 month ago

Meta also realized this and attempted multiple times to build their own hardware but they've given up each time. They started as early as a partnering with HTC in 2011 to make a Facebook phone.

I was working in cellphone sales at the time and I can tell you no one wanted that phone back then even when Facebook was massive. An easy to hit facebook button was not a value add anyone was begging to exist.

Although with how many phones now have stock forced installs of Meta apps perhaps they won their con in the long game.

Similarly no one really wants a physical AI device, and attempts at such are pure techbro hubris on the companies part.

Danox13• 1 month ago

OpenAI is not a hardware company or an OS company and they hardly have the money to pay the real cost in the long-term, if Amazon, Meta, Google and the Linux crowd are having trouble, OpenAI is not gonna get the job done.

le-mark3• 1 month ago

Quite frankly, I'm kind of excited to see what OpenAI can build.

I’d go further and claim if controlling the hardware is a existential threat for these companies, their ability to deliver or not should be seen as an indictment of the entire “llm formulation of ai” era we’re currently in. If llms have the potential they claim, then empowering them to design a best of breed phone should be table stakes.

pheewma• 1 month ago

Craig mentioned near the end of the keynote that compute intensive things (like image generation) will have rate limits that can be increased bundled with their iCloud + plans. I imagine any request that gets routed to their cloud compute will be subject to limits as well. He positioned it as a value-add to their existing subscription but I suppose that can change.

emodendroket3• 1 month ago

I doubt the average personal user knows what OpenClaw even is though Google is also producing competitive stuff.

archagon2• 1 month ago

Average personal users don't need OpenClaw at all...

2001zhaozhao• 1 month ago

Private Cloud Compute
Your data is never stored
Used only for your requests
Verifiable privacy promise

Apple is cooking. Although at that point might as well bring the cloud features to more devices. Yeah it costs more but also locks users in harder.

superkickstart• 1 month ago

Ant they still failed to get past EU privacy regulations at launch.

jmuguy• 1 month ago

This is disappointing. I had hoped when Apple revisited AI that they would lean into agents more and give us some sort of agent interface between the phone and a model running locally on your Mac at home. More niche for sure, but much more powerful. Instead we're getting more generic AI tie-ins to apps and "suggestions".

Melatonic3• 1 month ago

Seriously - this would be a major cool thing to actually use AI for. Run some local AI basic stuff on phone and have it securely connect to your own home device for more advanced tasks or control your home agents. Could even reduce their own need to host cloud AI compute

k2xl• 1 month ago

I’m honestly surprised Apple didn’t retire the Siri brand.

At this point, “Siri” has a pretty strong cultural association with being underwhelming or unhelpful. Even if the new version is dramatically better, convincing people to give Siri another shot may be harder than launching the same technology under a new name.

Feels like a missed opportunity to reset expectations.

thewebguyd6• 1 month ago

Yeah missed opportunity. They could have even had a fake funeral for Siri like Jobs did for OS 9, or a "retirement party" or something. Leave the Siri brand behind and launch this as something brand new.

akmarinov3• 1 month ago

None for the EU

Is it available in China at least or is this another “50% of the userbase gets nothing new in the OS update” year?

Edit: https://x.com/wongmjane/status/2064052590992916840?s=46

Lol

nozzlegear17• 1 month ago

One of the presenters said they're working with regulators in China and the EU to make it available eventually.

akmarinov3• 1 month ago

Nice, waiting to see what they’ll market as “the feature” for when they run ads outside of the US

pornel• 1 month ago

In the EU case, Apple weaponizes people's ignorance about regulation. Apple pretends that the features everyone else has been shipping left and right somehow need extra paperwork and special approvals, because (…checks notes…) pro-privacy EU laws let zero-privacy competitors sail through, but block implementations that offer more privacy!?

What's really happening is Apple unilaterally withholding features while making vague noises about regulation as bargaining chips in talks with EU regulators where Apple is trying to weasel out of punishment for breaking anti-monopoly laws.

himata41134• 1 month ago

Change your region. I've done so and haven't particulary noticed anything off, all the EU specific apps are weirdly still available in US appstore.

lxgr5• 1 month ago

Most of them are, some are annoyingly missing. It’s possible to install apps from two different app store accounts, but it’s 10 times more annoying than on Android. Additionally, there are some EU only features, such as third-party NFC payments.

Apple’s performative DMA outrage is getting more pathetic by the iOS version.

layer82• 1 month ago

The OS restriction aren’t merely based on the region settings, they are also based on Apple Account region/country and on the detected physical location of the device.

wwalexander• 1 month ago

Poste Italiane is not.

Hamuko• 1 month ago

Wrong. It's some for the EU.

EU users will be able to access Siri AI on macOS 27, visionOS 27, and watchOS 27.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

reinhash• 1 month ago

correct, but honestly it's much more interesting to have the new Siri on my phone than my mac, at least in my case. Very disappointing, having bought an Iphone 16 pro mainly for the new AI features which almost 2 years later are still not there to be used.

MattDamonSpace5• 1 month ago

Both the EU and China put enormous risk on misstepping. If you raise the cost of distribution, even just through time-cost, don’t be surprised when it fucking costs

sleepybrett2• 1 month ago

The one thing I've been trying to figure out / hoping will get a fix is that in the apple intelligence settings panel there is an 'extension' that allows it to use chatgpt. I would like to be able to have an extension for local models and/or custom apis.

bilsbie3• 1 month ago

It’s weird it says I can ask Siri about a document in front of me but can I ask it about a webpage I’m currently reading?

(It’s been driving me crazy there’s no “AI this” button to discuss whatever is on my screen.)

xp8411• 1 month ago

Edge has had this for a long time. I can highlight a string and right-click, 'Send to Copilot' and click "explain" and it'll prompt it to 'explain this passage, particularly in the context of the current page.'

Note: I have MS 365 personal or whatever it's called this week so I'm not sure how Copilot acts for a completely free user.

jameshart2• 1 month ago

That would be a finder feature vs a safari feature? They talked about safari’s capabilities in a separate segment.

browningstreet2• 1 month ago

Today's presentation was about the things you can do in the next release. And the asnwer to your question is "yes", in Golden Gate.

meatmanek• 1 month ago

I'm guessing they'll integrate with the double-tap-the-bottom-of-the-screen feature that pulls up siri in front of a screenshot. Currently it doesn't seem to hook into "visual intelligence", and needs to call out to ChatGPT to do anything with the screen contents.

Barbing2• 1 month ago

Tangential note on

double-tap-the-bottom-of-the-screen feature that pulls up siri

It’s disabled if not using Apple Intelligence, and can’t tap screen while talking to Siri (it dismisses instead).

Now they’re gating features to the M3 I’m not convinced wouldn’t work on expensive Apple Silicon predecessors… am more convinced the double tap disable is intentional.

bilsbie3• 1 month ago

The killer app would be a locally run Siri that learns about you and your preferences.

le-mark3• 1 month ago

Llms don’t learn after they’re trained. At the most it could maintain a profile or some such. Which may be the equivalent of what you mean, but not as provocative.

CrzyLngPwd• 1 month ago

Great, as long as I can switch it off and use my phone as I always have, I'm happy for them.

I can't wait to take a photo of a cricket ball and ask it what it is, ffs.

These people need to get out, touch grass, watch trees swaying in the breeze, and put their phones down before they lose toonmany neurons.

bilsbie3• 1 month ago

Honestly I don’t have much faith in Apple intelligence when it can’t even search my settings.

yalogin• 1 month ago

The chatbots(ChatGPT, Claude et al) showed Apple exactly what can be done, the user base is already well primed. So this is a product definition done for them to execute. If done well they will be able to provide a much stronger integration into the day to day use cases than the chatbots, and can siphon off user time from them. This time around the end to end is easier with Apple Intelligence and more importantly llms doing the work Apple is floundering at. So I am hopeful, but I still see the os/app level integration as not enough in terms of functionality to make it a hit. The primary use case for llms is still conversations and search. Apple should be focusing on that aspect primarily and also add the os/app level integration as a bonus - as something only they can do. If they just do the latter, it will not be as much of a success. Let’s see how they execute.

EDIT: To provide meaningful chat functionality they have to either eat up the cost or charge a subscription for it. This will be first time they charge for Siri - a product that doesn’t garner any positive reviews. This gets even more interesting to watch

manmal2• 1 month ago

If they are using some mid model and are stingy with web search, I won’t use it more than a couple times.

emodendroket3• 1 month ago

This will be first time they charge for Siri - a product that doesn’t garner any positive reviews.

It seems like revisionist history to say that; lots of people were sold on iPhones years ago because of Siri. They have one of the few business cases for voice assistants, which are notoriously difficult to actually monetize, that actually makes any sense, since "selling iPhones" is meaningful and "selling a subscription" would be nice on top of that.

ftth_finland• 1 month ago

Please don’t suck.

drummojg• 1 month ago

Right? I've been waiting a lot of years for an upgrade to my voice-activated timer setter/music player launcher.

xp8411• 1 month ago

Can't even get that right sometimes. A few weeks ago I somehow accidentally activated Siri and it decided that what I wanted was for it to play some kind of terrifying industrial electronic noise music that scared my kid.

atulvi• 1 month ago

How is this different from the chatgpt apple intelligence thing from last year?

xp8411• 1 month ago

This time they really promise it'll ship

But fundamentally, the real difference is they have now bought and white-labeled Gemini to replace all the stuff they failed to make 2 years ago.

h14h2• 1 month ago

Apple Shortcuts have felt like a blatantly obvious AI play to me for a while now.

The interface for creating them manually has been so bad for so long, it feels clear to me that LLM-driven shortcut orchestration was always the endgame. Apple built up their ecosystem of composable "tools", and then trained an LLM on how to call them.

The result, IMO, is the first OpenClaw/Hermes competitor that's feasible for use by the general public.

Everyone with a paid Claude or ChatGPT that they're struggling to use to the fullest is going to have very little reason not to swap over to an upgraded iCloud+ plan (if they don't already have one). I suspect we're going to see mass cancellation of $20/mo plans very soon.

OpenAI's timing for removing their temporary increased usage limits is looking pretty unfortunate...

manmal2• 1 month ago

Why do I need shortcuts though, I want that to be transparent.

h14h2• 1 month ago

Good point, that's probably gonna be the hardest sell.

I have shortcuts set up to count the hours I log in my work Google calendar and copy them to my clipboard to help me prepare invoices.

So while I've already been sold on what Shortcuts can do, getting the general public to see the possibilities is probably gonna be a challenge.

xp8411• 1 month ago

I think Shortcuts has a few massive flaws that would give me pause enshrining it as middleware for an important thing like a "mainstream OpenClaw".

1 is performance. It's slow. You can run one within the app and literally watch execution flow from one block to the next. Absurd, for the CPU power at hand.

2 is reliance on developers to deliberately implement hooks and "intents" when the developers of at least half of apps including most "big company" apps do not care to bother, often because 95% of their app's surface is actually cross-platform stuff.

Example: There are no shortcut actions for Google Calendar, and Gmail only has one real one which is a generic send email. No "search email" etc.

I'd rather see Apple lean into "computer use" to allow it to use any app that displays things on the screen, but IDK how you make that safe.

gilbetron• 1 month ago

I don't care much about Siri, and not a lot about Apple (other than as an investment), but Apple is generally really good about putting out polished tech, and so I'm curious if Siri AI will be up to their usual standards, because if so, it represents a significant usage of AI that has solved hallucination issues.

But that's a big If!

usrnm• 1 month ago

I'm curious if Siri AI will be up to their usual standards

You clearly never used Siri before

Danox13• 1 month ago

The big if is does it work on device without phoning home? For example, Google or Meta as a Ad/data collection company wants to phone home for everything because they want to collect data on you, what will this Apple solution do?

hbn6• 1 month ago

There's extensive writing about Apple's Private Cloud Compute architecture.

It's beyond my expertise, but it's publicly available if you're curious.

alt2275• 1 month ago

With the amount of people that have iphones in this world, I am more than sure that somebody will be able to make it do something wrong.

Apple knows this which is why it is taking years to test and iron out the kinks. But somebody somewhere will make it hack a social media account, or give over somebody elses credentials, or generate illegal child images etc.

trhaynes• 1 month ago

The screenshot about pho is funny to me. Bean sprouts are not a good source of fiber. Noodles are not especially healthy. The broth base is not fish sauce, nor is fish sauce where broth gets most of its sodium. Slop city!

hombre_fatal• 1 month ago

Yeah, "Fiber: good source" when 100g of raw bean sprouts gives you 1.8g fiber (less than a 2" kiwi), and pho comes with much less than 100g of sprouts.

Pho is a pretty bad source of fiber.

It sucks that we're skipping over such good tools like cronometer.com to figure out what we're actually eating and going straight to hallucination, adding more confusion to nutrition.

Melatonic3• 1 month ago

Seriously - that was bizarre. Why would they not choose a healthier meal or something more unknown?

andrewstuart• 1 month ago

I go on long walks and talk to ChatGPT in depth in its conversation mode about programming and computing in depth.

That’s what I expected from Siri but you can get in from ChatGPT .

lolive• 1 month ago

Will I be convinced to change my iphone 6s? #suspense

visarga• 1 month ago

Before they add AI they better fix the frigging search function in settings, it is horrible, you need to know their exact words, and Apple has a funny naming sense. Hierarchies nested so deep you never find anything. I come to use Claude or ChatGPT to tell me the right incantations to find a setting.

hbn6• 1 month ago

I don't even know that it's knowing the exact words, it just seems like sometimes the search decides it's just gonna give you no results because the vibes were off.

I'm almost sure that sometimes searching the same thing will give you the result and sometimes it won't.

curvaturearth• 1 month ago

Hey look! Here's something new that we could already do but now it costs more and takes more engineering and.. AI

idontwantthis• 1 month ago

If this is good, I might finally ditch my 12 mini.

wxw• 1 month ago

I strongly believe Apple can win the consumer AI space. They have incredible distribution and hardware. They just haven’t executed at the application layer yet.

merlindru8• 1 month ago

what's worrisome is that they continue to fail at it. it's one thing to say "we're still hashing things out". it's another to parade around Image Generation features that are obviously widely not-cared-for and oftentimes actively disliked

Apple cares greatly about their brand yet this has hurt their brand like nothing else in the past decade

emodendroket3• 1 month ago

I mean have they, they have an outright majority share in iPhones in some markets, including the US, and lots of other stuff that sells reliably. Granted, I'm sure they'd love to have another blockbuster product, but having what amounts to "utility" status for a $1000 device isn't too bad.

OJFord• 1 month ago

Rest assured when they do have it figured out, we'll learn how they invented LLMs and AI chatbots.

pgwhalen• 1 month ago

It’s worrisome, but it’s also worth pointing out that no one else has succeeded at it, or even gotten close. It’s easy to forget that there are not good well-integrated person AI solutions yet, it’s just chat bots. I think it’s just harder than a lot of people think it is.

Danox13• 1 month ago

Apple hurt their brand so much. That the five ecosystems all work together better than anyone else.

And the Mac Neo is a best seller. Yep they really hurt themselves?

The only thing hurting Apple right now is memory like everyone else out there all because of the AI data center fiasco.

davnicwil• 1 month ago

on the other hand failing at it or pushing it to the edges until they figure out where if anywhere it would actually make sense (which is I believe the entire crux of their strategy) might equally reasonably be helping their brand.

I don't see strong evidence the average consumer is demanding 'AI features' in everything. I mean even amongst the technically inclined this is often bemoaned, anecdotally.

mikestorrent3• 1 month ago

If anything, shipping and sitting on the previous incarnation of Siri as a basic feature set to shut up iPhone users for a few years while everything else matured might be viewed as a very shrewd move ten years from now.

nozzlegear17• 1 month ago

Image generation seems like table stakes though, i.e. if you're going to offer a whole ass AI integrated with your operating system, it'd seem like a weird omission not to have image generation included.

barrenko• 1 month ago

Apple currently probably has a longer planning horizon than the catholic church.

jjice• 1 month ago

it's another to parade around Image Generation features that are obviously widely not-cared-for and oftentimes actively disliked

I mean, that was one of many things, and I'd argue the least interesting by far. If the Safari extension creation thing is decent at all, that's a seriously cool addition. There's some real value shown in this most recent WWDC. Whether they actually release it this time is another question...

ninth_ant• 1 month ago

Apple has over-promised and under-delivered so many times in this space, going back to the launch of the original Siri.

So while they could win, it’s pretty hard to get hyped about it before we see real-world tests.

Danox13• 1 month ago

What’s real world test phoning home to the server if Google can make a Pixel look good by phoning home what do you think it’s gonna be different with an iPhone that six years ahead in the processor area? When it phones home?

mikestorrent3• 1 month ago

Most people don't care that Siri doesn't do very much; if anything, people outside of HN are already sorta sick of AI features being shoved in their face.

andsoitis• 1 month ago

I strongly believe Apple can win the consumer AI space.

Why? What strengths and structural advantages do you think thy have?

What black swan situation could arise that Apple cannot counter?

MattDamonSpace5• 1 month ago

I just can’t imagine another computing device from a competitor company that 1) threatens the smartphone 2) apple couldn’t copy and mass produce at higher quality

If there’s truly an existential threat to its device business, Copy Well

Havoc• 1 month ago

Well they better start executing soon

jingw222• 1 month ago

ironically they respect user privacy the most and collect the least amount of data that’s why they lag behind ai i don’t understand why you would expect them to win

1-6• 1 month ago

Apple has built the strongest ecosystem of AI-capable consumer products in the industry. I suspect they deliberately chose not to compete in the AI data center race. Entering that arena would have cannibalized sales of their own high-margin devices, while further straining their already tight supply chain for memory and M-series processors.

Apple would never willingly pay Nvidia for GPUs anyway.

Why absorb supply chain pricing pressures and volatility when you can pass those costs directly to the consumer?

max8539• 1 month ago

Hm, second try? And Siri AI again without dates. First time it was also “later” but was postponed for how many years?

loloquwowndueo6• 1 month ago

The only thing I want to know about this new Siri is how to turn it entirely off.

koalalorenzo• 1 month ago

I agree, I am kinda disappointed by how much AI there is in this update, I was hoping for something different and exciting.

matthewfcarlson• 1 month ago

I think it's important to note what they didn't talk about. They briefly scrolled a long list of performance improvements and mentioned a few. Personally, I am very hopeful that the fact that they only talked about these high level AI features means the other engineers got to spend time focusing on performance and quality.

fckgw• 1 month ago

You could just not use it.

loloquwowndueo6• 1 month ago

Oh I’m definitely not going to use it. But apple tends to try to put these things in your face and get you to use them (seen all those purple buttons in Pages lately?). A global “just don’t show me or try to get me to use this crap at all” switch would be very welcome. Bonus if it also frees up however many GB of space this garbage will take whether I use it or not.

HDBaseT• 1 month ago

From an sysadmin perspective, assuming Apple provides full MDM toggles you can typically toggle these off one way or another. (.plist / preference keys, etc).

With the most recent 'Apple Intelligence' function, it took a while for Apple to grant the ability to disable/enable each feature, then a bit of time for the respective MDM Software developers (Jamf, etc) to provide toggles.

loloquwowndueo6• 1 month ago

Sounds good, where’s the “just kill this” toggle in my iPhone settings? I ain’t gonna bother with mdm etc etc I just need the damn thing to work and do what I need.

pupppet• 1 month ago

Here's hoping they've finally fixed iOS's terrible dictation.

hbn6• 1 month ago

They actually released a pretty good dictation model in the OS 26 updates. Someone made a cli utility to play with it:

https://github.com/finnvoor/yap

I tried it and was pretty impressed. That said I haven't heard anything yet about them switching to this for the text input voice dictation in iOS but it would be really nice.

simianwords• 1 month ago

Here's what I want: natural language interaction to achieve complex workflows in iPhone. Example: find the cheapest way to go from A to B and book it using the Deutsche Bahn Train app.

I still don't think Siri can do that ::angry::

ForOldHack• 1 month ago

I was at Best Buy in the Apple section, and I asked its AI "What is the best value in four year old MacBook pros." It pointed me directly at an over-under washer dryer for $3400. Quite obviously, it was trained, like a drooling puppy by Madison Ave.

Wait... don't tell me... there is an App for that.

jesse_dot_id• 1 month ago

I didn't really see anything that knocked my socks off. Mostly, it's the promise that Siri now works in the way in which they said it would work a few years ago, when it didn't. I do like the addition of Siri in the context menu, though. I can see that being useful.

Ecstatify2• 1 month ago

It’s the same broken promise every year. All I want is for Siri to set an alarm and open my blinds. That’s enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years.

ryanmcbride• 1 month ago

This is completely unrelated to the topic at hand, but what iot blinds do you use?

russellbeattie• 1 month ago

All I want is for iPhones to have physical keyboards. That's enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into touch screens over the years.

s3p6• 1 month ago

Jokes aside, I have been using siri to control my smart home and set my alarm for nearly ten years now. I haven't really had problems with basic stuff like this.

jm4• 1 month ago

I don't know why they bother. Clearly, nobody using Apple products cares enough to jump ship. Apple is never going to surpass Google, especially now that they are trying to build their own assistant on top of Google with one hand tied behind their back.

There's never going to be a situation where a heavy Google Assistant user switches over to Apple for Siri. Anyone who would have switched from Apple to Google for their assistant likely would have done so by now. Siri just isn't a very important feature. It doesn't bring people to Apple's platform nor does it steer them away. It might bother users that it sucks, but it doesn't bother anyone enough that it hurts Apple's bottom line. Frankly, continuing to pour money into that bottomless pit does more damage. I wonder why they do it.

dhosek2• 1 month ago

A few years ago, the ability to do anything other than a timed walk on my watch with Siri broke. I used to be able to do things like say, “start a 3 mile walk” or “start a 200 calorie walk” and then the latter stopped working and then the former stopped letting me do non-integer numbers of miles and then nothing at all and now I cannot do anything other than start an unmeasured walk or a timed walk with siri and I’m still pissed about that. I don’t want to have conversations with my watch or my phone, I want it to handle simple basic tasks reliably.

jen729w2• 1 month ago

Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years.

Orders of magnitude less than the literal trillions that others have?

fragebogen• 1 month ago

I mean, in comparison with openclaw, etc. capabilities are ofc more restricted. However I don't want to accidentally delete my entire photo album, so I do understand the direction by delivering useful, but somewhat obvious features.

dwroberts• 1 month ago

Requiring at least an iPhone 15 Pro also seems like a mistake, unless it’s for actual hardware reasons. The 15 is only 3 years old, this requirement cuts off a lot of potential users I think

oofbey• 1 month ago

It’s definitely for hardware reasons. They have been aggressively improving the vector math capabilities in their chips, but as anybody who has tried to run a local LLM will tell you, newer hardware works better and you’re always limited in what you can do.

WorldPeas3• 1 month ago

I think it's the requirement of having 4gb+ vram (for gemma+context) free at any one time, any phone older than that cannot materially satisfy that demand: https://iosref.com/memory-processor

podgorniy2• 1 month ago

Who cares about users? This decision is the best for costs(less to spent on ai) and on demand for newer models

cush2• 1 month ago

I’m excited at the idea of Siri having its own app, if nothing but for it to not disappear while I’m reading a response.

rTX5CMRXIfFG2• 1 month ago

I'm happy about using AI for my work as a programmer, but part of the reason why I was initially skeptical of the tech was that I simply couldn't imagine nor feel the need for much AI features on the consumer side of things, i.e. personal phones and devices for casual everyday users.

What I want Siri to be able to do today is the same as when it launched with the iPhone 4S about 20 years ago: Just set alarms, calendar invites, tweak device settings, and look up answers on the web. The first three it could already do prior to the Siri revamp, the latter is a really nice nice-to-have for iOS 27... but beyond that, I don't believe that AI has many jaw-dropping areas of advancement within the use cases of consumer electronics. B2B applications of AI is where the money and the wow factor is really at.

himata41134• 1 month ago

I read through the entire DMA rant that apple has here: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2026/06/due-to-dma-siri-ai-de...

This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI.

Apple already:

    1) requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update)
    2) has strong kernel enforced memory integrity and disallowes arbitrary code execution (unless explicitely approved for games like roblox, jitting not allowed tho has to be interpreted).
    3) reviews every app update.

I feel like this is nothing more than Apple being angry that they have to allow people to actually choose what AI they want on their phone. This is particulary interesting if anthropic and openai decided they want to add siri ai override to their apps allowing them to take advantage of the apple ecosystem without signing some kind of deal like they had to with Google. I assume behind closed doors Google had to make some sacrifices for them to be the model powering siri.

lxgr5• 1 month ago

I feel like this is nothing more than Apple being angry that they have to allow people to actually choose what AI they want on their phone.

It's really just Apple being angry about the EU's DMA endangering their golden goose (App Store revenue) and using any meaningful new functionality as a bargaining chip.

They've done staggered geo launches for other features in the past many times, both before and after the DMA was passed, and in this case there's even another great reason to not want to globally launch all at once (AI inference server capacity). If they can at the same time market it as part of their ridiculous turf war against the European Commission, I guess they just have to take the opportunity.

vrganj• 1 month ago

The thing is, Europeans are mostly annoyed with Apple over this, not the EC.

It just reads like arrogant foreigners throwing a tantrum over our laws.

Velocifyer• 1 month ago

"requires developers to submit ID to publish an app on the appstore (at least I had to after ~1000 downloads to be able to publish an update)"

What is the purpose of that?

wmf• 1 month ago

So there's someone to sue if the app misbehaves.

burnerthrow008• 1 month ago

This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI.

Nah, that just shifts the goal posts. If they did that, developers would be whining about "scare screens", as we have already seen when Apple put app installs behind a permission prompt.

They're already up in arms about the requirement from Apple (and Google) to know who is behind the apps that slurp up all your data.

The DMA maximalists won't be happy until Apple releases an anonymous service to automate setting up a Kafka topic to send each iOS user's PII to whoever wants to receive it.

ipaddr• 1 month ago

You can downloads millions of things for your computer without kyc protocols. Why are phones in a special class? Your data is being slurped by the people who sold you the phone and you are worried about the small fish.

pastel87393• 1 month ago

Given the serious risks to users, Apple designed a solution called Trusted System Agent — an intermediary that would allow virtual assistants to safely access the same features and capabilities as Siri AI for devices in the EU. Apple also shared a plan to launch Siri AI in the EU while gradually rolling out this new solution over an 18-month period. The European Commission said no. In fact, the European Commission did not agree to any of Apple’s proposals.

I'm extrapolating (there is less detail in that press release than I expected from your comment), but this sounds to be like it would be the thing that enables such a "list of permissions". I would be curious to know exactly what this agent entailed and why the EU did not approve it.

himata41134• 1 month ago

"Trusted System Agent" imo sounds like an apple approved agent which would only be available to companies that accept apples (likely unreasonable) demands and would completely lock smaller companies out of the ecosystem.

tyre• 1 month ago

It’s kind of funny that the EU’s regulation here would force Apple to allow options that are worse for user privacy. Apple is the least incentivized to farm data from its users; in fact, that’s a huge selling point. They mentioned it over and over and over in the WWDC keynote today.

In my opinion, Apple is doing the right thing for users. It’s not like they have a huge revenue stream here. Yes, there will be some features or usage that require iCloud plus or whatever to cover incremental cost, but I genuinely believe that they don’t want services creeping in that break their trust with users or their privacy-first reputation.

Apple’s decision (users will have a less powerful product because we’re not vacuuming up their data and using it for profit) is exactly the kind of thing the EU should want. No country has appropriate data privacy guidelines for AI (yet) so opening up choice can’t provide alternatives.

(To be clear, I’d be fine with Anthropic here, but am fine with this state. Maybe because I’m so used to Siri sucking that I’ve given up hope.)

miohtama• 1 month ago

Apple ad revenue is ~10% of rev, with Google deal, and growing. New management is going to turn it less privacy focused company, because Apple needs to pursue growth.

thewebguyd6• 1 month ago

Apple is doing the right thing for users.

The right thing for users would be to allow user choice, and for Apple to compete fairly.

Apple allowing third party access doesn't automatically mean user data gets hoovered up by OpenAI, Anthropic, etc. It just means users now get the choice, if they want to make that choice. Users could stay with Siri/Apple if they care about what Apple is offering, or choose to accept the risks and terms of service with other third parties.

The EU isn't saying "you must preinstall every competitors offering" its "you must offer the ability for others to hook into the same APIs to be able to offer their own assistant on par with the first party option."

The user still remains in control by virtue of their own choice.

rzwitserloot• 1 month ago

Your premise is incorrect; if apple truly wants to do the 'right thing for its users', it would allow choice. The fact that the current crop of likely alternate choices include quite a few companies and offerings that seem far more user hostile than apple's offering doesn't change that fact (it merely raises separate concerns that there need to be more laws such as the EU's DMA, not fewer).

However, even if your premise is correct, it does not matter.

In the end, trying to manage such products (require massive investment, have network effects, offer significant gatekeeping and rentseeking opportunities) is extremely problematic.

On one hand, the market cannot do it properly: There are tons of externalities, and, like e.g. building out rail, the absolutely gigantic barriers to entering the market means the existing players merge into a monopoly or oligopoly.

On the other, the product is too complex and too dependent on continuous evolution to officially turn it into a state-controlled / state-run monopoly (the solution many countries have deployed to solve e.g. how rail, or medical insurance, or road networks, end up in a terrible state if left up to the market).

So what is one to do?

The current crop of mostly US led large companies seem to have gone with a 'just trust me, bro!' argument, with some 'AI is so important you cannot put up any roadblocks at all!' sprinkled in.

And yet these companies time and again prove that they can't be trusted. Which is obvious and logical: Companies must conform to the law, but are otherwise amoral. Or rather, their 'moral' compass has nothing to do with human moral compasses: They must earn money for their shareholders, in whatever legal way they can find that is most efficient, paying as much attention to future company growth and health as its shareholders desire. That isn't just 'what they are incentivized to do' - that is what they are legally *required* to do.

And yet you've gone with a motif of 'but apple is the one company that is doing it right so lets just trust them.. bro'.

There *is* a solution:

Use the fact that the state has powers of persuasion that companies simply do not have. The threat of law, and the monopoly on violence.

Essentially, a state can simply tell a company: The populace have spoken and they value X (say, privacy). They value it a lot. You will deliver. At low cost. This is not a request, it is a demand. If you don't want to or can't, then we shall write laws to regulate you and then *everybody loses*.

Conceptually this works, in a weird game of chicken / madman theory: If the corporation in question believes that society will regulate them into oblivion unless they comply with society's demands even if this means society incurs a great cost, then the corporation *will comply*.

This has happened before. There is no actual law in the US that a movie gets a rating, and the movie industry pays for and manages the ratings of its movies entirely as an internal affair. And yet, in general, movie ratings are stellarly well run compared to what a government run institution would have done.

The reason *is* that threat. The movie industry decided to police itself because it was quite clear that if they did not, the government would have, at great cost to the movie making industry (and at significant cost to society as well, in the form primarily of much worse films).

For some reason that isn't entirely clear to me, CEOs of large corporations that deem themselves 'IT companies' do not understand this part. They will fight tooth and nail to fight every law, and especially in the US, perhaps due to extremely dire and long-term distrust by its populace in its own government, many of its citizens incorrectly side with its corporations on this idea, even though time and again corporations prove that they have no allegiance other than to the almighty dollar (which, to be clear, is not a complaint. That is how society has set them up. My only complaint is that e.g. you seem to have forgotten that this is how it works).

Hence, given that the system works on, in essence, fear / coercion, the only right answer is to do an attitude adjustment, find a massive club, and beat a whole bunch of IT companies into absolute pulp until the remaining CEOs understand.

And before you make a note about the brash, medieval nature of that comment - it is already clear that these CEOs who think they are God's Greatest Gift To This Planet, are already meekly running, tail between their legs, to kiss the pinky ring of a personalist wannabe emperor president. They are _clearly_ motivated by such fear and _clearly_ cannot be trusted to rise to the occasion and be a new form of benevolent leadership for the citizenry.

I wish they were. It'd be so much easier.

hashmap2• 1 month ago

if for a second you believe that what apple says the regulators told them is the same thing as what the regulators told them, i have a cow farm under the titanic to sell you

xp8411• 1 month ago

Apple may have a true argument that their version of “AI” is currently the least privacy-problematic, but it’s not a compelling one. First of all, it sets an awkward precedent. This special status is mostly based on vibes, and on how we know the other guys’ business models will push them towards more data collection. But doesn’t make sense to say we allow anticompetitive behavior depending on how nice to how “nice” the aspiring monopolist is to their users.

Google can easily argue that if Apple gets to rule over a walled garden, zero-API ecosystem where no one else can compete, then it’s right that they can too, regardless of how privacy-respecting they are or aren’t.

dwaite6• 1 month ago

This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI.

The device won't be able to ask for significantly more permissions than Apple asks for their own model for regulatory reasons, nor will it be able to convey the seriousness of granting the permission (e.g. immediately give unrestricted access to the vast majority of personal information/documents stored on the device).

But Apple also architected their system to justify not having constant permission prompts for access to sensitive data. And for regulatory reasons they also can't mandate that competing models have the same architecture.

The regulators and Apple (along with hopefully other AI companies) will need to work together to determine longer-term stable path forward.

himata41134• 1 month ago

Apple could have the same kind of permission dialogues with their own models (and they actually should). Each and every (first-time) use of a feature should:

  1) ask for permission explaining the scope
  2) warn you about the dangers with a confirmation / nevermind option

Putting this in practice:

  1) Acme AI requires access to your email provider in order to execute this request. Grant / Deny
  2) You're about to let Acme AI read and send emails on your behalf, this might be dangerous due to X and Y. Do you want to continue? / Nevermind.

In this case:

  1) Asks for access to a service
  2) Asks for a specific use-case of the service

1 is access to data, you might want to give broad access to some applications and input data

2 is permission to act, but you might want to deny access to some parts such as sending email and scope to summarization

musictubes• 1 month ago

Siri AI is not just a chatbot. There are deep hooks throughout the entire OS and across third party applications. Siri AI has been given wide access to the user's semantic index which will encompass just about everything on the device. Also remember that it isn't just the Apple user's privacy at stake. Any substitute will also have access to any interaction with other people. Apple is at least claiming to not keep any data people use with Siri AI, will Google, Anthropic, Open AI, etc. pinky swear they won't build a profile on me because a friend of mine chose their AI over Apple's?

I will wait and see what people find out about it before passing judgement. It's quite possible that it isn't possible to have an API to use other companies' AI instead of Siri AI. Are there any equivalent API hooks on Android?

BonoboIO• 1 month ago

‪A multi trillion dollar company not able to create open apis for competition … definitely the EUs fault ‬

rumblefrog• 1 month ago

The automatically update of my compromised passwords on websites is very impressive, and I wonder how it's achieved.

tanmaydesh51892• 1 month ago

In Feb this year, when I analyzed KuzuDB's source code, I predicted Apple's reasoning to buy them was to introduce Siri with cross-app personal context. "..WWDC 2026 or 2027 introduces any “contextual intelligence” features in Siri that require cross-app relationship reasoning." https://medium.com/data-science-collective/i-analyzed-163k-l.... There is no confirmation on which tech is being used to achive that though

AuthAuth2• 1 month ago

Its wild to me that people use those apple emoji people. It looks so bad.

Danox13• 1 month ago

That’s your clue that it’s AI, or do you want it so realistic that you don’t know the difference?

AuthAuth2• 1 month ago

Sorry, i've not had an apply device in ages. Is the AI using the emoji icon or are people using it? I assumed people were using it.

alt2275• 1 month ago

This will come very soon and be the default, so it doesnt really matter what people want in this area.

alrtd82• 1 month ago

In English!? Someone please Apple that LLMs can deal with multiple languages at once without the old “go to Settings to configure your language”

Izmaki• 1 month ago

I wonder if the language support is the voice part of the assistant? It took a while (years) for Siri to speak my native language back then.

Danox13• 1 month ago

Not with the EU, support isn’t coming the lawyers in the EU won’t get there before the engineers in China.

gregorygoc• 1 month ago

Can Apple now focus on rolling back Liquid Glass “upgrade”?

data-ottawa3• 1 month ago

If you watched the keynote they added transparency controls, adjusted the refraction, removed the different window corner radii into one, and cleaned up sidebars and toolbars. They also updated icons to have more depth to them so you get a harder border on key elements.

I still look at older MacOS screenshots and think a lot of it looks better, but directionally they are improving Liquid Glass.

AndrewKemendo• 1 month ago

How many companies did they just Sherlock?

insane_dreamer• 1 month ago

So Siri is basically now a Gemini agent?

Our family uses Siri with a HomePod a lot, and it's already much better than it was a couple of years ago where it could basically set timers, tell you the weather. Now it answers questions ("when did the Knicks last win an NBA championship") with decent answers, instead of "I'll send the web results to your phone". But it's still far behind voice-chatting with Claude in the Claude app, so very much looking forward to this upgrade.

I will say though that proper voice transcription in Claude -- or any of these agents -- sucks. If it can't understand the question properly, then it can't provide the right answer. It works okay for me, but not for my kids, not when speaking quickly or in incomplete sentences (as people tend to do), etc.

tzm• 1 month ago

If that Siri orb fails to respond after this release, I'm done with Apple.

xlii• 1 month ago

We’re deeply disappointed that our EU users won’t have Siri AI on iPhone or iPad when we share our new software releases later this year

I really enjoy this lag. Apple with the whole DMA made iPhone completely dull to my eyes. Previously? Updated yearly. Now? 3+ years without replacement and probably will stick to it for next 2-3 years.

Sure maybe in US Apple is fun. But in EU it's.. boring (and not like a Golang boring, just boring)

aucisson_masque2• 1 month ago

Week if its like the current apple intelligence feature,I don't care if we don't get in the eu.

whh• 1 month ago

I wonder if they got around to the Finder date-sorting bug that's been around for about 10 years.

azinman2• 1 month ago

What’s the bug

jdprgm• 1 month ago

Apple's execution on AI is the worst of anything I can think of they have worked on in the past 20 years. It's embarrassing they announced this with a vague "coming this fall" when they basically have completely lost credibility in their ability to ship AI features considering it was initially announced YEARS ago.

I think a lot of it is the old "perfect is the enemy of good" with Apple trying multiple times now to announce this big basket of all these AI features supposedly coming all at once instead of just regularly shipping new useful AI integrations every month. There was so much easy useful shit that was immediately apparent as soon at OpenAI dropped that first big voice mode years ago coupled with basic app integrations. Particularly in the context of the AI labs that are operating in that lane almost too much where it seems a new model or mode comes out every two weeks.

WorldPeas3• 1 month ago

I wonder if Apple actually posttrained or at least finetuned this model or if it's just standard gemma. I feel it'd be bad practice if they didn't at least have some training atop it for apple's tools. Also you don't really hear much about apple's in-housed private compute servers anymore, did they get outmoded? I only hear about them using nvidia now.

mattmaroon3• 1 month ago

I switched from android to iOS 7 years ago and I’ve actually been debating going back just because of how bad iOS is at AI. And every other facet of my life, I am finding ways for it to save my time on an almost daily basis. And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare.

Siri seems to rarely get better and sometimes actually get worse.

CryptoBanker• 1 month ago

And yet on iOS, just finding something from a text Message is still a nightmare

This has been a problem on iOS since the dawn of time and has nothing to do with AI

s3p6• 1 month ago

Nope, it got markedly worse since AI. You used to be able to search for string literals, so if you remembered one obtuse phrase from a group chat, you could pull it up instantly. Now this 'intent' search will try to search for what it thinks you want, not what you typed. AFAIK, there is no way to search for literals anymore, thanks to AI.

mattmaroon3• 1 month ago

AI has just made it worse, both directly (search doesn’t function like standard search anymore but also nowhere near ChatGPT) and by comparison.

I can go ask Gemini questions that require it to get information from several emails at once like “which x vendor had the lowest price”. Im assuming it can do the same with my texts or, if not yet, it will soon. I had zero such faith with Apple.

I will wait until the fall and see if this looks like the germ of something actually useful before deciding if I’m going to switch.

stringfood• 1 month ago

no, you don't understand - iOS has no AI because Apple cares about your privacy!!

seanssel• 1 month ago

It’s the keyboard for me. I don’t remember making as many typing mistakes when I was on an Android phone. It’s also infuriating trying to “select all” for copy or move the cursor to beginning with the spacebar motion. I swear it’s like I’m using a phone in a dream sometimes.

cromka4• 1 month ago

For me it's all the above and lack of multiple-item clipboard. It's incredible how much time it saves on a phone...

annzabelle• 1 month ago

Yup. I switched to iphone very briefly, and the typing experience was so bad that I returned it for a full refund.

cush2• 1 month ago

Siri got nerfed a few years ago. “Here’s what I found on the web” is now the default answer. It used to pull answers from the search results

skillina• 1 month ago

Same problems on Android. Google Assistant was better in 2016 than it is in 2026, and the Gemini assistant is a joke. They can’t even integrate with their own music app (YouTube Music) properly.

I switched to iOS this year and I’ve been learning that the grass is not much greener. I do miss uBlock Origin. Maybe my next stop is GrapheneOS or a similar degoogled ROM…

cocoto• 1 month ago

There is a uBlock Origin Lite extension for Safari available in the App Store. Technically not as powerful (hence the “lite” in the name) but it’s perfectly blocking all ads for my usage.

wiseowise4• 1 month ago

And every other facet of my life, I am finding ways for it to save my time on an almost daily basis.

Can you give a couple of examples?

doganarif• 1 month ago

We heard a lot of things, but unfortunately, I'm pretty sure it won't work as expected.

bilekas• 1 month ago

I like the idea for normal people. Day to day usage who ignore hallucinations is a big market.

Siri AI coming in English later this year.

Strange way to phrase it, but okay.

Siri AI will be available In beta later this year and requires an Apple Intelligence–enabled device set to a supported language. Available in English to start. Siri AI will not initially be available in the EU on iOS and iPadOS.

Ah okay, not EU enabled. The only reason for this, in my tinfoil hat, must be for data farming.

cdrnsf• 1 month ago

I sincerely hope this can all be disabled.

lellow• 1 month ago

In my opinion, this is late by almost two years. This should have been the v1 when they first presented Apple Intelligence.

stingraycharles• 1 month ago

Wait, I got an iPhone 15 Pro Max because supposedly it was compatible with Apple Intelligence. But now it’s not supporting this?

cowsandmilk2• 1 month ago

15 Pro Max is supported…

dwaite6• 1 month ago

Apple splits processing between an on-device and cloud-hosted model. As time goes on, devices will be more capable of doing more processing locally, and it would be expected that the cloud-hosted model gets more sophisticated.

Your 15 Pro Max supports Apple Intelligence. Newer phones can answer more questions without going to cloud infrastructure.

javamelon• 1 month ago

It should support everything except the new voice model.

hbn6• 1 month ago

To be fair, the iPhone 15 line came out before Apple Intelligence was even announced.

It's the iPhone 16 line that feels a bit shitty not getting the latest and greatest since it was advertised as "built for Apple Intelligence"

Apparently the 17 Pro is the only currently released iPhone that will get the best local model. Which I suppose makes sense considering it has 12GB of RAM compared to the 16 Pro's 8GB.

sakesun2• 1 month ago

Microsoft cannot compete in browser race and has to adopt Chromium.

Apple cannot compete in AI and has to adopt Gemini

Google is a really amazing company.

sleazebreeze• 1 month ago

Too bad Google can’t compete in consumer or professional AI either

lateral_cloud• 1 month ago

What do you define as professional AI? If you're talking about enterprise AI I'd say they are well ahead of Microsoft and AWS.

Schiendelman8• 1 month ago

In both cases, Google built a commodity that doesn't necessarily generate revenue for them. I don't think they're doing very well in this case.

gumby2714• 1 month ago

Not directly, but they control the most popular portal to the open Internet with chromium to shape ad delivery, and (depending on how dramatic you want to be) the shape of reality presented to their users based on their AI models. Not directly profitable, but damn that's a scary level of power.

sakesun2• 1 month ago

And it's amazing that they are doing very well overall without having to do too well to generate revenue.

haritha-j4• 1 month ago

Google's power is in controlling your interface. How you interact with the internet, and now, how you interact with AI, is dictated by them. There is massive power in being the interface between you and information.

wiseowise4• 1 month ago

Google is a great developer, but a really shitty consumer company.

Nest devices are garbage, it has been like a decade since their phones were competitive with other vendors, ChromeOS was barely hanging outside of education center and now it's a zombie walking since Apple released their cheap Mac Nano, Gemini is a joke as a product compared to Anthropic and ChatGPT. The only things worth something are Chrome, Gmail, Workspace and their Cloud.

yesitcan• 1 month ago

Aga sent you a message about Calanthea, a plant.
Aga: have you heard of Calanthea? It’s a plant.

Really groundbreaking use of AI!

Schiendelman8• 1 month ago

That's not what that is showing, it isn't reading a text you just got. It's you asking about the plant she told you about, it finding that text message, summarizing, and also proving with the text that it's accurate.

Skunkleton• 1 month ago

Schiendelman sent you a message on hacker news clarifying what its showing. It's you asking about the plant she told you about, it finding that text message, summarizing, and also proving with the text that it's accurate.

wow! we are in the future!

Galois97• 1 month ago

Why would they wait so long to launch this? With every passing day countless people further ingrain ChatGPT / Claude as their default chatbot...

kennywinker8• 1 month ago

The second slide on the site is… it’s gotta be a troll from some pissed off designer, right?

Screenshotted in case they change it https://imgur.com/a/n1I3z8g

joshstrange• 1 month ago

I believe that is showing the results of a search, as in something like "What Plant was Aga telling me about the other day?". The website doesn't make that clear but they asked questions like that in the keynote (not that specific one).

kennywinker8• 1 month ago

Lol. That makes it almost make sense. It’s still showing me a summary of a text that uses exactly the same amount of space to convey exactly the same amount of information. Like, that’s just search - i’ve been able to get this info by typing “plant” into the search bar since they added spotlight in iPhoneOS 3.0 back in 2009

It’s also a text from 9:14am the same day.

If this is the second slide in your marketing slideshow, you clearly have nothing better to show.

nozzlegear17• 1 month ago

I don't get it, this looks like what I'd expect it to show me if I asked it to find a certain message. I assume tapping on that message would bring me straight to that point in the conversation.

kennywinker8• 1 month ago

Using AI to summarize a message by saying what the message says in the same amount of words as the message So helpful!

bluegatty• 1 month ago

They are very far behind, this doesn't feel like catch up.

ok_dad• 1 month ago

My number one question is can I turn this shit off? I don’t want AI infecting and having access to my whole fucking life. They don’t say anything on this marketing page.

alex_young• 1 month ago

Does this not work with HomePod? How is an AI voice assistant not compatible with the smart speaker?

Schiendelman8• 1 month ago

That old hardware can't handle it. HomePod, the Apple TV, and the watch will all get updates in the next few months to streamline this.

jijji• 1 month ago

They are a few years late to the party

novoreorx• 1 month ago

There's only one thing that matters, that Siri would become an independent app that can see through its calling histories, which should have been done since the first day it launched.

Frannky• 1 month ago

Ready later this year... What I want from the phone are low-level APIs exposed to an agent I can talk/type to without lag. I wonder how long it will take or if a new AI phone will come before these features. I would love Siri working because Apple's design and hardware are good.

chopete3• 1 month ago

They better make it really good. Most kids get their facts from it. One has to argue with their kids when it gives wrong information.

87% US teenagers own an iPhone. ~35% teens own an Apple Watch.

erickhill• 1 month ago

Quite possibly one of the most lackluster WWDC's I can remember. And I've been a fan of Apple/Mac since the late 80s.

Hmph.

That said, I'm THRILLED they claimed to "fix" the border radius snafu of Tahoe. Go ahead and push that now with the next Security fix. We won't mind at all.

zmmmmm2• 1 month ago

It's interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be - we see the same things recycled over and over: "reword my email", "remove object from picture", "add a reminder", "summarise my text message which was already only 20 words long" etc etc. As if these are the major problems in people's lives.

I really feel like there's a fascinating valley of death between simple things that actually work and things of real value that are actually still beyond the horizon. They either aren't reliable enough, aren't accessible to the tech, or exceed the sophistication of our existing trust models. For example, I'm planning a trip. Booking a multiday holiday - there's a real beast that is time consuming, complex and painful. I test out the AI tools. They fail. Hard. Hallucinations all over the place, false confidence, inability to act, inability of me to trust their actions.

It's just nowhere near practical utility yet. Not "nearly there" but "not nearly half way there". I got the top tier of Gemini AI. Can it rent me a car? "As an AI I can absolutely guide you through the process of renting the car, but I can't physically access the web site or type in the details for you".

idle_zealot• 1 month ago

Even the aspirational use cases you're talking about basically are just "digital secretary." There's a massive problem with that even if the models end up being capable in the future. The value of a secretary is that you know them, they know you, and you trust them to do things right. There are stakes if they don't. No company can provide that as a service at scale for everyone without it being a disaster. Not because it's not technically possible, but because of the incentives. That much power over the details of so many people's lives is irresistible; there will be persistent temptation to use it. The presence of that possibility makes the secretary impossible to trust.

cjonas2• 1 month ago

These use cases will just be built as "open source" (openclawd) or even custom one off application in the future. I've been building apps to run the tedious parts of my life recently. Meal planning, personal finance, bills, tax organization... Why would I pay for services that will be enshiftified when I can build a app that does exactly what I want in an afternoon. Yes the code is shit and it wouldn't scale... But it doesn't need to

zmmmmm2• 1 month ago

it's an interesting question if any of the AI companies would be willing to step up and absorb the risk ie: to give the AI agent a "stake".

eg: if my booking is wrong, they will cover the cost and compensate me. It would sort of just come down to buying premium travel insurance for everyone that uses it. And insurance for anything else they do. It has to be one of two things - they either believe the risks are worth it (so then there should be a financial model that can absorb the cost of insurance to do it), or in fact, the risks are too great. At some point, if they keep offering the tech on a "use at your own risk" basis, they are implicitly communicating that they themselves think the risks are too great - so YOU shouldn't trust it either.

9dev3• 1 month ago

The vast majority of people never even asked for a personal assistant, because that isn’t something normal people have or do need in the first place. They aren’t so occupied/privileged/posh to need someone to do the trivial tasks of daily life for them.

This whole venue of technology is an exercise in ivory tower construction completely disconnected from ordinary people.

cootsnuck• 1 month ago

Yup, precisely. Turns out getting AI to be reliable at doing useful things is harder than we've all been led to believe by the dominant narratives.

https://www.normaltech.ai/p/new-paper-towards-a-science-of-a...

fruit2020• 1 month ago

Booking and renting is certainly possible, they just need your auth credentials

londons_explore• 1 month ago

I gave some LLM's my password manager and some credit cards to try to do this sort of thing lately.

They failed most of the time. Simple things like finding the right password for Gmail sometimes was out of reach. Anti bot techniques sometimes stopped it.

Impressively, sometimes they'd successfully write hugely complex bash or python scripts to do tasks on web pages they hadn't managed to do with the browser automation.

kristianc• 1 month ago

An alien landing on earth consuming Apple marketing content would be under the impression that humans did nothing but organise hikes to Big Sur with their friends.

pastel87393• 1 month ago

Well.. it’s not the furthest thing from the truth in the bay

zombot2• 1 month ago

That would be deceptively constructive and healthy compared to doom-scrolling instagram or tictoc while clogging the intertubes with AI slop.

dakolli• 1 month ago

best comment I've seen on this site in a while

9dev3• 1 month ago

As Psychology is the study of the psyche of white male psychology students, big tech is technology for affluent citizens of San Francisco with a career in IT…

ricardobayes• 1 month ago

And we all wear polo shirts

flohofwoe• 1 month ago

I remember a couple of years ago it was all about booking a table at a restaurant, as if this would be the main spare time activity of people in the Apple bubble. I wonder when the shift from restaurant bookings to outdoor activities happened. Maybe a pre- vs post-Covid thing?

microtonal4• 1 month ago

And even if I organized a hike to Big Sur, Apple Maps would be pretty worthless because it doesn't have trail visualization and navigation worth speaking of (ok, maybe in Big Sur, but certainly not the rest of the world).

So I end up pulling out the trusty old Garmin gpsmap with cycle/hiking maps, that survived drops from 1.5 meters at 30 km/h as I was gliding of a mountain with my bike.

__jonas• 1 month ago

A classic: https://maxread.substack.com/p/a-literary-history-of-fake-te...

acwan93• 1 month ago

That and going to Philz or Tartine afterwards. At one point both those places were on every Apple marketing copy.

nozzlegear17• 1 month ago

If I lived in California I'd be organizing hikes to Big Sur with my friends. Alas, I live in a damn cornfield. Maybe it's meant to be aspirational?

skylurk2• 1 month ago

For fun I planned a holiday entirely with LLM's lately, and followed through.

It used good models and did a lot of searching, including searches in other languages. It got nothing right, riddled with fake places and times. It also found some weird and unique places I never would have considered.

I had a blast, brought me back to traveling pre-internet, requiring a level of spontaneity I had forgotten we used to depend on. 100% recommend it.

wahnfrieden• 1 month ago

What was a “good model” and harness? I would expect decent results using say Codex with 5.5 xhigh to research and verify an itinerary. 5.5 Pro with search would also be promising.

pookieinc• 1 month ago

To counter, we did the same with a trip to Copenhagen for 7 days and it got most paths correct. Train routes, places to visit with kids, restaurants, reservations, weather, most of it was great. There were a couple mistakes of course here and there, thankfully we did our due diligence, but by and large, we plan to do this for future trips.

lukan• 1 month ago

That was funny, thank you.

I am now reminded of a short trip with less tech savy folks, where I also on the trip noticed that the plan was a bit .. not working. And the person organizing it complaining to the bus driver, why they were not going what the internet told him, they were going. The internet being ChatGPT.

diroussel• 1 month ago

I found that Deep Research mode in Gemini was able to give me a well planned 4 day trip to a major city.

I told it my preferences and of the group members, where we arrived and departed, at what times. I gave it my itinerary and then asked it to plan two new itineraries and also suggest a location to book a hotel that was convenient for the early flight on the last day.

I went away for 20 mins and gave me a 20 page document with a good summary and decent options. I did choose some of the activities it suggested.

I did this 10 months ago. It’s probably better now.

But Gemini has access to google maps, so it can estimate travel times, and know which lunch places are near which sites and which hotels have good reviews. So if you want AI to work for travel panning you need to ground it in good data.

nickpp• 1 month ago

I've been planning vacations with ChatGPT's Deep Research since it became available. Absolutely brilliant!

From finding areas with favorite activities for each parents, teens and kids to discovering the do-not-miss attractions and scheduling our vacation between them - it is invaluable. I've seen places I never knew existed in countries I've never been to before and speaking languages I did not speak.

Very few mistakes and lots more flexibility and understanding than the travel agents I used before. I do write long prompts though with lots and lots of info about our family and what we like to do.

Not yet good at finding, filtering by our criteria, comparing and booking available accommodation yet, but it's getting there.

kakacik• 1 month ago

Its not pre-internet travel, rather backpacking. I do it to this very day, by far the best and most rewarding way to travel, the further and more exotic the better.

It has a downside - I'll never do these pre-arranged trips where one is in complete luxury bubble, interactions with locals are the best part of experiences. What a waste of potential.

And yes its mostly compatible with kids, it depends more on specific location than mode of travel (ie avoiding malaria/dengue/etc. regions)

somat• 1 month ago

The juxtaposition between what perhaps the best single use case I have seen for AI and how bad of an ad for it is killing me. I love it.

"I told my bumbling assistant to plan a trip for me and he got nothing right but I enjoyed it because the chaos introduced a certain spontaneity and whimsy missing from my life"

harrouet• 1 month ago

Spot on!

I am also under the impression that the LLM tech is plateauing before bringing the promised productivity. Great as a coding assistant, great a summarizing a text, translating, great a helping plan a trip...

But for the rest, e.g. act as a life assistant, it is still far off with no hope to reach the desired performance level.

I would not be surprisd to see OpenAI and the likes to start reverting to Siri v1 strategies, i.e. "if this then that" kind of agent routing.

piokoch• 1 month ago

Why this is surprising? LLM-s are good in text generation on the base of the stuff they were trained on. Software is text generation, translation is text generation, LLMs can answer questions since billions were spent on tuning foundation models, that is people were collecting in (semi)automatic way questions with answers to the point we might think that LLM-s are "thinking".

Now people want to handle car rental. What are the relevant data that models were trained on for this kind of application? For Python code there is kirjillion examples on Github, for mathematical proofs there is endless stream of papers, books, etc. But for car rental? Mostly adds in the internet that want to trick you into a bad deal. So yes, LLM will be a disappointment, as it tries, well, to trick you into a bad deal. In addition, data are rather scarce so there will be a lot of hallucination, as it gets mixed up with yacht rental, bikes rental, ski equipment rental, etc.

dyauspitr3• 1 month ago

I sometimes do random weeklong roadtrips. ChatGPT is the best way to do this. Attractions that are esoteric, RV parks with 50A hookups for under $50, oldest/biggest/best restaurant with local food in a town, historical stops along the way, suburbs close to big cities but where hotel prices are lower etc.

dansquizsoft• 1 month ago

"I got the top tier of Gemini AI." - that's your issue, get a subscription to a lab offering actual frontier models like Anthropic and OpenAI.

Mistletoe• 1 month ago

Nonsense.

https://livebench.ai/#/?highunseenbias=true

fragmede• 1 month ago

All you're saying is that (the harness you're using for) Gemini sucks. OpenAI has their own web browser to fill out forms with and Claude has a whole Cowork feature that interacts with you computer including your web browser.

If new Siri still sucks, well, it's sucked the entire time. The worst of it is the security aspect where the setting to let you use Siri without authenticating hasn't worked since they added it! (still broken, iOS 26.5)

madrox• 1 month ago

I get the impression Apple designers don't actually use AI, and so have no idea what to build, since users don't know what they want from AI yet either.

panicinducer• 1 month ago

It reminds me of the Apple Vision Pro hype trailer. "Put on a helmet so you can view 2D photographs in 3D space." Present-day Apple sure has a way of making extremely impressive tech seem totally superfluous.

blitzar• 1 month ago

interesting how anemic the use cases seem to be

Have a conversation with the average Ai power user (outside of tech / coding) and this is the level the conversation will be on.

whywhywhywhy3• 1 month ago

Extremely surprised we didn’t get the “book me a flight” example that has been an AI demo used over and over but everyone’s so particular about flights I can’t see many people just wanting to one shot it.

The laundry list of object removal, spacial photos, better speech to text etc is always just the latest open models just being slapped in there and branded as Apple.

Ultimately the meat of this presentation was the work of people outside Apple.

stevage4• 1 month ago

For me "book me a flight to X on day Y" is so easy to do manually I don't need AI.

Where I do want AI is for really complex queries, like "find me a time and money efficient itinerary through Europe visiting places I haven't been before. Present options and I'll tell you what I don't like about each of them then we'll narrow in on an optimal solution"

MrDunham• 1 month ago

Agree and disagree on the "planning a trip" use case... as I'm sitting on a river cruise on an AI co-planned vacation (we found the cruise, AI set the daily itinerary).

Now the big (BIG) caveat is that I used Claude Code on my Max 20x plan from within VS Code. I have a fairly decent harness that I'd built and was sure to prompt it to run several subagents, including one that grounded walking times with Google Maps directly.

I'd say this is FAR beyond what the average person would do ("Hey Siri, plan me a trip to Prague") but also it shows that the models can do it with the right harness and guidelines. This wasn't that hard for me to do, so it seems to be more of a feature buildout ("the travel expert" AI) with a few markdown files than anything.

All told: web search for grounding times/locations, map grounding for walking paths and times, an adversarial agent to keep the model(s) honest, and a little bit of prompting and you've got a really great travel planner.

In short: the average person won't do this, but if I can build it in a few hours any of the 100% of people working at Apple/OpenAI/Anthropic who are smarter than me can build it and bake it into Siri (or ChatGPT, Claude, etc).

audiala• 1 month ago

We are currently working on this with Audiala (iOS and webapp, Android should be released any coming days), making progress slowly but surely. We started to add tools to the AI chat to organise your trip and explore the place following your preferences and those of your group if you decide to share the trip. We can turn feedback into actual improvements pretty fast now, so would love to have yours and progress towards building the app you really want.

globular-toast• 1 month ago

Renting a car isn't a problem I have either. I've rented cars and vans plenty of times. I just phone up and talk to someone or email them. It's really easy.

A lot of these "problems" seem to stem from people just not wanting to interact with other people at all. Do we really want to become like Asimov's "Solarians"?

stevage4• 1 month ago

Millennials and below absolutely do want to avoid interactions with strangers. Especially gen Z will go to great lengths to avoid making a phone call.

It sucks. This is why none of my local supermarkets have real checkouts anymore.

bsenftner• 1 month ago

The issue is anything that is of value requires some level of detail, of complexity, and that is only of interest to people that know that specific complexity, and it is a pain point for them. Now they'll care. Everyone else? Lost them. So, the marketing challenge is to find some aspirational complexity that people wish they knew, and how that can be solved with AI, and without turning that thing into a trivial nuisance, but a valued skill. That logical series right there is, well, too much for far too many.

ml-anon2• 1 month ago

there is this bullshit term you hear paraded about the dwarkesh-adjacent circles: "capability overhang". Aside from being effectively meaningless jargon, there is a kernel of an idea that somehow the models are far more capable than what "normies" use them for.

Well, I think Siri AI puts this notion firmly to rest. Yes, if you have unlimited tokens and well-posed problems you can solve open Erdos problems. However, if you have meaningful real-world computational and reliability constraints then you better just stick to "summarize my messages and find the dogs in my photos".

And this isn't just Gemini, I can burn effectively unlimited Opus tokens and still get garbage code out or be run around in circles without very diligent oversight.

torben-friis• 1 month ago

OPPO just added a great feature into my phone. You point your camera at a foreign restaurant menu and it generates a translated version including a picture so you can get a general idea of what it usually looks like.

The genius part is that the menu is interactive, so you can add items to a shopping cart, which then results in a local language text you can show to waiters asking them for your full order.

It was a great sample of how even a little bit of ux can go a long way.

chaos_emergent• 1 month ago

This morning, while putting in daily contacts, I realized I was down to my last few pairs. Still standing at the bathroom sink, I used the ChatGPT app on my phone to voice-command the Codex app on my computer to book an optometrist appointment for Saturday. It visited the website, figured out the API, and booked it.

No, this isn’t the same as planning a multi-day vacation. But it is plainly useful today, and it feels very close to handling more complex tasks like that.

Maybe the difference is the model and the harness. At this point, I’m starting to think some people are either gaslighting themselves about how useful these systems are, or overgeneralizing from one narrow setup. Gemini, for example, seems especially weak at agentic behavior.

The wholesale dismissal just feels strange coming from the HN community I’m used to.

gedy• 1 month ago

It is neat, but come on you could've booked from website on the phone too.

stevage4• 1 month ago

This is the kind of example that people use to demonstrate "usefulness" that falls so flat to me. I could make that phone call in a minute and have no doubts about whether my agent had stuffed up somehow.

It's just not compelling to say that an AI can do an easy task quickly. This is still worth zero dollars to me.

JamesKaranja• 1 month ago

Its feels as if apple are trying to create deterministic use cases for AI - a non deterministic solution!

OptionOfT2• 1 month ago

My iPhone knows the forecast for today.

I installed iOS 27 yesterday.

I asked it: please notify me when the temperature goes above 80F (so I can close the windows).

Siri responded: it'll be 99F today in Phoenix.

...

mark_l_watson2• 1 month ago

do you live in Phoenix?

I just asked Siri a few weather questions and named the city where I live, nailed it. My favorite digital device is my Apple Watch and if Siri improves over the next hear or two, that will be great for me.

jawilson2• 1 month ago

My high school kid has a printed basketball schedule for this summer. I tried taking a pic with Siri to parse it and add it to the calendar with their visual intelligence thing or whatever. It can't do it. I had Claude parse the calendar picture and generate an ics file. Calendar on iPhone and on their website can no longer import ics files. This is like remedial AI functionality that probably could have worked 20 years ago, and it can't do the simplest most basic task.

lopis• 1 month ago

Lots of tech used to work and was just deprecated because it's not profitable. Google used to have amazing features on android, assistant and maps, that are just gone now, and slowly coming back in gemini.

lurking_swe• 1 month ago

i have not tried it since i’m too scared to try, but i know Codex recently came out with a feature where it can control your chrome browser. Not spin up a chrome browser, but control your open browser tabs.

Presumably you might be able to task it with planning an itinerary with specific dates and bookings in mind, and then ask it to complete the task…sort of. The big gotcha i think is payments. Obviously you wouldn’t want to enter your credit card details into an llm lol. perhaps it would be ok if you had a saved card on file with your favorite airline, etc? Or maybe chrome has a feature to autofill a credit card for quick entry? Not sure.

Still…it’s a messy unsolved problem and we’re definitely not there. I wonder how this tech will look in 10 years from now?

jeffaf• 1 month ago

Skill issue. I've had gpt5.5 help me plan a vacation. It even pointed out where I could save money. I did the actually bookings but it created the plan.

Jzush• 1 month ago

Yes, big companies do not know how to advertise AI. AI isn't a killer feature for anyone except people working in AI. No one uses it for anything but party tricks otherwise. The things AI would actually be useful for, it is incapable of doing.

AI as a "product" is about sucking up data for corporate interests first, then providing functionality to common people last with probably a few other steps in between.

Marketing departments have to twist themselves into pretzels and invent customers that don't exist in hopes to sell AI to people who look at those fake customers in the ads and go "Gee, I wish that was me!". People who casually book trips to Japan to shop for vintage clothes generally don't exist in such large numbers that they justify entire product stacks.

Here's what I need AI to do. Open an app, perform an action in said app, close app. Maybe open multiple apps and do things in other apps that are contingent upon data from one of the other apps.

Here's what AI can do. Poop Emojii with glasses....

mr_toad• 1 month ago

As an AI I can absolutely guide you through the process of renting the car, but I can't physically access the web site or type in the details for you

It’s like they were trained on corpuses of box ticking material, like iso 9000 documentation, or security certifications. And now they know how to describe what they should be doing, but they never actually do anything.

brtkwr• 1 month ago

Siri AI is a mouthful… they should have kept it simple and stuck with Siri

nomilk2• 1 month ago

I placed eggs into boiling water and because my hands were wet I used voice and said "hey Siri, start a timer". It replied "you'll have to unlock your iPhone first", so I hovered my face over the bench the phone was sitting on, then the screen rattled and prompted for the numeric passcode. Ugh..

Using Siri essentially required me to use my hands anyway, so what's the point of voice?

I'd very seriously consider moving away from iPhone to a device that treats voice AI as a first class citizen (presently I mapped the 'double back tap' to open grok voice chat, and triple back tap to end it, which is a wonderful improvement over not having these, as you can do that pretty easily, even while driving etc).

zombot2• 1 month ago

Don't do back taps require hands?

nomilk2• 1 month ago

They do (one hand), but it doesn't require anything precise (like finding the app and clicking on it, which you can't really do while driving). If Siri could open an AI voice chat, that would awesome. But I'm not counting on that within this decade.

bsiverly• 1 month ago

The ability to tap into on-device foundation models within apps is pretty baller. The rest is banal

pprotas• 1 month ago

No mention of making my homepod mini “Truly helpful”, so I’ll stick to just sticking timers, I guess.

jdthedisciple• 1 month ago

pardon me but I'm not getting it, what's new or exciting about it (supposedly)?

Geee2• 1 month ago

No, I don't want Apple to read all my emails, text messages and photos. I'm probably not going to buy Apple devices any more if it really works like this, by default sending all your data into their cloud.

If I want to use AI, I want to be able to select the exact messages / photos which I want to send to it. Otherwise I expect the device to keep the data protected. I don't need any of these features either; I can remember if someone sent me a cookie recipe.

camillomiller• 1 month ago

You might want to so some research. It’s the only company with a level of privacy on this. Most of it is on-device. Private cloud compute does not store anything. I dunno man, you could criticize 360 aspects of this presentation but you pick privacy, really?

Geee2• 1 month ago

It can make on-device tool calls using your data (web search, database search, email, app APIs) which are not private. PCC doesn't protect against being dumb with your data.

E.g. "the user asks if their Bitcoin private key is unique, let's make a web search".

dyauspitr3• 1 month ago

Apple is not reading anything.

mayur24• 1 month ago

Source: trust me bro

rbits• 1 month ago

Oh damn I didn't realise it sent all this to the cloud. That seems kinda concerning.

niek_pas• 1 month ago

For now at least, you can turn Apple intelligence off entirely in settings.

fny• 1 month ago

We need Siri API. Features like this are nonsensical in an era where I can wish up any feature or workflow for an app.

People outside HN will begin to expect they can do anything with a computer in the same way they expect to be able to say anything in a support chat. Using pre-LLM automated chat feels like a joke. You enter the chat expecting to having a conversation and instead you get a GUI phone tree.

This is exactly how it feels to use any of the AI tous from Big Tech and others.

We have entered the era of deeply personal computing. There are so many incredibly personal features that no mega corp could ever be expected to build. Now that lay people can build things, let them!

There's a podcast that I listen to which is translated to a bunch of different languages. It's exclusively on Spotify with no RSS feed. I have a cron that checks daily passes it to an LLM and notifies me as necessary. I did not code a line. I only set up an OAuth endpoint.

Enabling your customers to do things like this will make them incredibly sticky too! So please for the love of God, let me glue Siri into whatever I want.

uni_baconcat• 1 month ago

It looks useful. But the demonstration this year is way below my expectations. They barely show any live demo, even few screenshots.

kingreflex• 1 month ago

for olders iphone models - i am on 15 - are they allowing any sort of extensions? that would allow some apps to make use of of to build things like better speech recognition etc..

i was waiting for siri update and bummed it is not supported on 15.

when i use my native language (i mostly do it when in carplay) to search songs etc.. it gets it wrong a lot of times.

+ a more integrated into things like imessages, whatsapp etc..

ProofHouse• 1 month ago

'later this year' lol uh ya, ok apple (only had 3-5 already to make it even a 1-10 usable)

port11• 1 month ago

Hopefully it’s an app that can be uninstalled on macOS, where I use almost none of Apple’s own apps, yet are prevented from removing them (unlike on iOS).

deanc• 1 month ago

I've not seen anyone discuss yet what kind of impact these AI features are likely to have on battery life. If they are running small on-device models, this will have a measurable impact on battery life with regular usage.

sammy2255• 1 month ago

To this day, Siri does not understand "Subtract 5 minutes off my timer" when having an active timer

liamwire• 1 month ago

I tried this on the iOS 27 beta with Siri AI and it worked, to an approximation. It'll take 5 minutes from the original timer just fine, but not from the remaining time no matter which way I phrase it. Still, a massive improvement in my eyes.

Tepix2• 1 month ago

They promised Apple Intelligence with iPhone 15 Pro and more recent models.

Now [relevant parts of] Siri AI is restricted to iPhone 17 / iPhone Air and more recent models.

People who believed Apple and bought an iPhone 16 to use with Apple Intelligence are getting the shaft.

MattDamonSpace5• 1 month ago

There are active lawsuits

michaericalribo• 1 month ago

Get a whole $25-$95!

https://clarksonlawfirm.com/lp/apple-intelligence-false-adve...

vkondenko• 1 month ago

I'll probably get downvoted, but my guess is that they realized they need a cutting-edge local model that would only work decently on the most powerful iPhones. And I see why Apple would choose to give no AI at all rather than use a weaker model that will hinder user experience.

rTX5CMRXIfFG2• 1 month ago

What Apple said was that on-device models would be from the iPhone Air/17 Pro models and newer. That doesn't mean that the iPhone 15 Pro to 16 wouldn't get Apple Intelligence via Private Cloud Compute, though that probably means they won't have on-device models. I don't remember the marketing for those phones promising on-device models, just Apple Intelligence capabilities in general.

post-it• 1 month ago

I have an iPhone 16 and I don't feel like I'm getting the shaft. It sounds like there's one specific customization thing that'll only work on the pro models? Not an issue. At some point in a few years I'll buy a new phone and it'll be the latest again, and then it won't be.

r0fl2• 1 month ago

You are correct

And there was a lawsuit and those users will be compensated.

This new update for 17pro is no longer misleading

“Apple has agreed to pay some iPhone buyers a collective $250m (£184m) to end a lawsuit accusing the company of misleading people about new artificial intelligence (AI) features and capabilities.”

btcson66• 1 month ago

Yes thank you. You are good.

Tepix2• 1 month ago

This only applies to the US, or does it?

BonerWiener• 1 month ago

Create useful shortcuts with ease, update passwords with just a tap, and find relevant emails faster than ever

Can't wait for unexpected password updates and naughty mails accidentally sent to my boss...

haritha-j4• 1 month ago

The only way Siri will meaningfully save my time would be if it could doomscroll for me. All of the things Siri claims to automate here would save me maybe a couple of minutes total over a week, wouldn't make the tiniest dent in my screen time.

jorisw3• 1 month ago

if it could doomscroll for me

I don't understand. Are you so little in control of your own self that you now need an embedded AI to do something for you that was already a complete waste of time and energy? Just delete the apps.

haritha-j4• 1 month ago

The point I was trying to make was that consumer AI on mobile devices won't save people time in any significant way because people don't spend a lot of time on their phone doing things that are automatable. Everything mentioned here is a tiny portion of people's phone use compared to things like doomscrolling, video calls etc. So there is no real value to any of these tools.

renatovico• 1 month ago

the same :'( what i really expected from Siri,

- Siri please suggest an organization for this folder - Siri over my last work in this app can summarize what i am struggle ?

Pro active:

- Hey, the last hour you exchange 30 mails from the same subject, i look with your team ai and all have same struggle, based your key points in communication is X,Y,Z, this an mail for final align

- Your and your partner don't have quality time in last day, i see has the seat available in your favorites restaurant for next hour do you want made an appointment ?

mittermayr2• 1 month ago

Coming this fall...

In "English" later this year...

We've heard that before, haven't we, Apple? I feel the right way to fix the trust issues would be to announce this when it's actually done. Like, here's Siri AI, and you can download and use it, right now.

throwfaraway4• 1 month ago

You can. Install the beta

mittermayr2• 1 month ago

EU. iPhone 13 Pro. Not complaining, but I can't really.

camgunz• 1 month ago

It's bananas to me that people want to put LLMs in critical software paths when the 2nd most valuable company on Earth can't do more than the most basic shit with them. Like, look at this list of actions:

- Take a selfie

- Create a reminder

- Call Vicki

- Rotate photo left

- Create a new event (do you create an old event?)

- Send an email

- Resume my podcast

- Create a note

- Add photo to album

...can't iOS do literally every one of those things already? What the fuck is happening?

gadders• 1 month ago

Does the UK get this new AI and not the EU?

sidcool• 1 month ago

How come Apple has become so slow in shopping compared to equivalent companies like Google and Microsoft

martin_drapeau• 1 month ago

What is not demoed are basic AI capabilities I need today to effeciently use my iPhone. Examples: - Siri, send the latest 20VC podcast to my watch. I'm going jogging. - Siri, do not start Apple Music. I do not use that app. Start Podcast. - Spell check and Auto-Correction on iMessage should support French and English. I switch from the 2 all the time. - Etc...

I'm sure you guys have tons of others to list.

podgorniy2• 1 month ago

__Truly helpful__ it's funny to think about reasons people put these words there

rambojohnson• 1 month ago

sloppy mc-slop. dogshit nobody needs. AI is innovating horizontally, like web frameworks.

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