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Is that not just a standard design patent (which is different from a utility patent, but nobody understands that), like the infamous first iPhone?

What’s to fix?

Is this not your own comment, from just a few hours ago, visible on the same viewport as this one?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48445299

Why is it that so many years later, so many companies are still not compliant? That seems like a major problem to fix.

You are replying to a comment complaining about the annoyance for users that the law has created. When will that be fixed?

Why is it that all of the enforcement effort been so unevenly directed specifically at non-European companies?

This subthread started with the statement "True but it also reflects that the EU has indeed destroyed most goodwill towards it in the last decade regarding most things digital."

I think maybe you don't understand that the level of goodwill destroyed really is on par with the level of goodwill towards American that Trump has destroyed. Yes, it is really that bad. Yes, it is something that needs to be fixed.

Cool? So one down, how many to go? Why don't they get the same level of scrutiny as, say, Facebook?

This feels like it could be solved with a list of permissions that the user has to turn on when using 3rd party AI.

Nah, that just shifts the goal posts. If they did that, developers would be whining about "scare screens", as we have already seen when Apple put app installs behind a permission prompt.

They're already up in arms about the requirement from Apple (and Google) to know who is behind the apps that slurp up all your data.

The DMA maximalists won't be happy until Apple releases an anonymous service to automate setting up a Kafka topic to send each iOS user's PII to whoever wants to receive it.

rump has already said that he wouldn't tolerate regulation that affects American companies

This lays bare the stupidity of applying the pay-or-consent law to only Facebook and not everyone. Every important newspaper in Europe has pay-or-consent. It does not matter that each one individually is smaller, the effect is the same.

The law was carefully crafted to ensure European businesses (newspapers) are not "gatekeepers" while ensuring American businesses (social networks) are. That fact did not go unnoticed in the rest of the world.

But what motivation has the EU to promulgate these regulations?

* Chat control is toothless if users can simply side-load an app without snooping.

* The EU companies who successfully lobbied for regulations against Apple now see that the 15% tax is worth it when they can A/B test the counterfactual. So those companies no longer care if Google will do the same thing.

* The EU is now in an awkward position that it is ok for a newspaper to sell your personal info via pay-or-consent, but not for a social network to do it. Some will keep yammering on about "gatekeepers", but it's sort of an emperor has no clothes moment.

* Declaring that iPadOs is a gatekeeper (after it failed to meet the quantitative criteria for such) was another such emperor has not clothes moment. The whole "gatekeeper" narrative has turned into a farce.

* The people commenting on this forum are not even a rounding error in the EU electorate.

It's not reasonable to expect consumers to figure out if the meat they buy is tainted, just as it's not to figure out if their phone spies on them, manipulates information, or sells their data (especially when there's a duopoly).

Indeed! Neither would it be reasonable for the sellers of meat to demand anonymity! If one sells tainted meat, he should be held accountable! We should identify him!

Yet, the creators and sellers of software for a General Purpose Computer (remember, that is the argument why phones should be regulated) demand that they should be above the law, anonymous and unaccountable!

Schrodinger's computing device: The one which is so vital to everyday life that we must not prohibit the user to run whatever software he likes, yet so unimportant that we have not a care in the world to identify any fraudster who might wish to distribute software.

They are forcing me to write a native app instead of just tell my customers to install Chrome to have access to the APIs my product needs (web bluetooth).

Why don’t you encourage them to get an Android? What makes you think that people who prefer an iOS device over Android would even install Chrome after you nag them with dark patterns?

I also do not plan to sell anything through my webapp, which is why Apple wants to force developers to create a native app, where they can collect 30% (or whatever % it is now) of anything sold through the app.

Sorry, not following you: Apple is forcing you to give them 30% of nothing? How exactly is that a problem?

Apple are just being greedy assholes and what they are doing is absolutely worse than what Microsoft did to get sued in an antitrust case when they simply bundled IE in Windows.

Yes, how dare Apple look after their [checks notes] customers by preventing devs from using the features that would most annoy their customers?!? Such a greedy thing for a company to do, to give customers what they want! The only true purpose of a company ought to make it easy to slurp up customer data and monetize eyeballs!

Push notifications are the #1 featured requests of my online community. Some even switched to Android over it.

That sounds like the market working, no? Some people like how Apple does things, so they stick with Apple. Others prefer Android, so they switch.

The point is that users should have choice, not force users to bend to the will of malicious developers.

And Google's strategy is to continue removing differentiating features from Android that also help them mitigate the threat of antitrust

Sigh. When will HN learn that the vast majority of customers dont see those as differentiating features.

One of the key things separating humans from other animals is being able to put yourself in another’s shoes.

Why are you so motivated to fight the truth?

The iPhone 16e (came out less than 6 months ago) starts at $600 without carrier subsidy. That’s about half of what you claimed.

Good for me too? I get the correct answer when I type the keys, exactly as you specified. On both macOS and iOS

Your link says that Apple revoked the certificate used to sign the malware by the time the story was published.

Well, I think you’ve argued yourself into a corner there. Shit parents aren’t going to deny access to video games which are too mature for their children, so a rating system should isn’t going to help

Because it is overkill to use nuclear weapons to attack drones.

Does HTLM5 and WebGL allow all the same security holes and waste as much energy as Flash? Hmmm? Sounds like it’s not a replacement then.

I think the point (which you seem to have missed) is: How do you distinguish between a terminal under the control of a scam center versus, say, a journalist who has traveled to the vicinity of the call center to interview people and make a report (The Economist recently had an excellent series of articles about these call centers).

Neither terminal was bought in Myanmar. Both have been transported to and used in the vicinity of the scam center. The difference is purely the intent of the person controlling the terminal. But you can't infer that intent from only the location where it was purchased and the precise location where it is being used.

> SpaceX proactively identified and disabled over 2,500 Starlink Kits in the vicinity of suspected ‘scam centers.'”

Sure, because it's currently in the news and it's any easy way to say "we fixed the problem". Maybe some Economist journalist just lost internet access. Oh well. Guess they'll have to find their way out of Myanmar without internet. Sucks to be them, right?

Exactly! And that's why we all agree that Nelson Mandela, the WWII French resistance and Native Americans are clearly terrorists!

/s

I got a 2025 Ioniq 5 and it does all that, and it's also not restricted to just one charging company's chargers.

Cool story bro. How is this relevant to a discussion about Tesla?

BYD does not offer a comparable offering in America.

Sounds like a solution to government debt.

Isn’t that exactly what all the Tesla fans have been saying? I guess the roadster isn’t late now?

I believe it serves two purposes:

1. Reduce false reports by ensuring that activity reports are reasonably geographically near the reporter's location

2. Send alerts to people who are near a cluster of reports.

(I think tariffs are stupid)

The exporters aren't impacted directly at all

This isn't true, at least if you believe in standard economic theory (not believing standard economic theory is what got us in this mess!).

The issue is that the tariff increases the effective price to the consumer, so it shifts the demand curve downward by the cost of the tariff (the price consumers are willing to pay the producer for a given quantity of goods).

Markets always find their equilibrium, and the resulting equilibrium point is a lower transaction price and lower quantity than before. Quantifying the shift requires knowing both the supply and demand elasticities.

In other words, both the producer and consumer share the burden of the tariffs. The producer receives less from the consumer, and the consumer pays a higher total cost than before. Who pays more of the tariff is question that we again need the elasticities to answer.

The only thing I would add to your point #3 is this:

* Given the same profit margin, higher overall prices mean that firms will have higher profits.

* The value of an equity is the discounted sum of all future profits.

That is, stocks are a hedge against inflation. Investors are willing to pay "unreasonable" prices today because they expect that increased future cashflows will cause the price to become reasonable.

This is an under-rated point. Prior to WWII, most people pursuing doctorates in scientific fields learned (at least a little) German. Because German was the language of science.

Not anymore.

I fear that we're all going to need to learn Chinese.

I thought all SSDs did that for wear-leveling purposes.

EVs pay a registration surcharge in lieu of gas taxes. And it works out to something crazy like 20k equivalent miles per year.

it's clear that Apple doesn't have the will to kill their apps over it.

Well, Apple did threatened to remove Facebook in the past, and they did get Meta to follow the rules back then

But, today, unfortunately I think you are right. If Apple bans Facebook, Meta will take the opportunity the EU has given them to start their own app store, which can have whatever privacy rules (read: none) they want.

I guess it's just another Brussels Effect.

I think the principal-agent / collective bargaining framework is correct, but I would dispute that the principals (the users, not app developers) are upset by how it works.

Most of the noise seems to be coming from developers, so, to me, it looks like Apple is doing a good job as my agent.