DALL·E now available in beta

https://openai.com/blog/dall-e-now-available-in-beta/

by todsacerdoti • 4 years ago

924 538 4 years ago

I'm blown away by this:

"Starting today, users get full usage rights to commercialize the images they create with DALL·E, including the right to reprint, sell, and merchandise. This includes images they generated during the research preview."

I assumed this was going to be the sticking point for wider usage for a long time. They're now saying that you have full rights to sell Dall-E 2 creations?

minimaxir8• 4 years ago

Previously, OpenAI asserted they owned the generated images, so the new licensing is a shift in that aspect. GPT-3 also has a "you own the content" clause as well.

Of course, that clause won't deter a third party from filing a lawsuit against you if you commercialize a generated image too close to something realistic, as the copyrights of AI generated content still hasn't been legally tested.

pornel• 4 years ago

AFAIK only people can own copyright (the monkey selfie case tested this), and machine-generated outputs don't count as creative work (you can't write an algorithm that generates every permutation of notes and claim you own every song[1]), so DALL-E-generated images are most likely copyright-free. I presume OpenAI only relies on terms of service to dictate what users are allowed to do, but they can't own the images, and neither can their users.

[1] https://felixreda.eu/2021/07/github-copilot-is-not-infringin...

mensetmanusman3• 4 years ago

Image generating artificial intelligence is very analogous to a camera.

Both technologies have billions of dollars of R&D and tens of thousands of engineers behind supply chains necessary to create the button that a user has the press.

LegitShady• 4 years ago

As far as I can tell they still own the images they just license your use of them commercially.

obert• 4 years ago

they still own the generated content, only grant usage. I have mixed feelings about this confused approach, it won’t last long.

…you own your Prompts and Uploads, and you agree that OpenAI owns all Generations…

berberous3• 4 years ago

I think they are reacting to competition. MidJourney is amazing, was easier to get into, gives you commercial rights, and frankly I found more fun to use and even better output in most instances.

davedx• 4 years ago

MidJourney seems a little less all-out commercial. The way everyone’s creations are in giant open Discord channels is great too

pitzips• 4 years ago

Midjourney recently changed their terms of service and now the creators own the image and give a license back to Midjourney. Pretty cool.

MatthiasPortzel• 4 years ago

MidJourney definitely struggles more with complex prompts from what I saw. If you like the output more, that’s subjective, but I think DALL•E is the leader in the space by a wide margin.

stoicjumbotron2• 4 years ago

Really hope I get an invite for MidJourney soon. Been on the waitlist since March :(

napier6• 4 years ago

The only thing I don’t like about MidJourney is the Discord based interface. I think I can grok why Dave chose this route as it bakes in an active community element and allows users to pick up prompt engineering techniques osmotically… but I’d prefer a clean DALL-E style app and cli / api access.

skybrian• 4 years ago

Don't they both give you commercial rights now?

I have access to both and they're good for different things. DALL-E seems somewhat more likely to know what you mean. Midjourney seems better for making interesting fantasy and science fiction environments.

For comparison, I tried generating images of accordions. Midjourney doesn't really understand that an accordion has a bellows [1]. DALL-E manages to get the right shape much of the time, if you don't look too closely: [2], [3]. Neither of them knows the difference between piano and button accordions.

Neither of them can draw a piano keyboard accurately, but DALL-E is closer if you don't look too hard. (The black notes aren't in alternating groups of two and three.)

Neither of them understands text; text on a sign will be garbled. Google's Parti project can do this [4], but it's not available to the public.

I expect DALL-E will have many people sign up for occasional usage, because if you don't use it for a few months, the free credits will build up. But Midjourney's pricing seems better if you use it every day?

[1] https://www.reddit.com/r/Accordion/comments/uuwrbj/midjourne...

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/Accordion/comments/vz9zxw/dalle_sor...

[3] https://www.reddit.com/r/Accordion/comments/w0677q/accordion...

[4] https://parti.research.google/

jaggs2• 4 years ago

nightcafe.studio is also free and good. Very good.

rvz3• 4 years ago

It also means there will possibly be another renaissance of fully automated, mass generated NFTs and tons of derivatives and remixes flooding the NFT market in an attempt to pump the NFT hype again.

It doesn't matter, OpenAI wins anyway as these companies will pour hundreds of thousands into generated images.

It seems that the NFT grift is about to be rebooted again, such that it isn't going to die that quickly. But still, eventually 90% of these JPEG NFTs will die anyway.

WalterSear4• 4 years ago

NFTs were never limited by artwork availability - they are limited by wash-trading ability.

Shorel• 4 years ago

A massive increase in the offer will mean the price of these NFTs will tend towards zero.

nutanc2• 4 years ago

And I just used it to create cover art for a book published in Amazon :)

https://twitter.com/nutanc/status/1549798460290764801?s=20&t...

pqdbr• 4 years ago

What was your prompt?

pferdone• 4 years ago

Does DALL-E create different outputs for the same input? How does ownership work there?

flatiron• 4 years ago

yes it will. it'll keep on augmenting the image until it recognizes it as the input

minimaxir8• 4 years ago

Not only that, but you can also upload an image (that doesn't depict a real person) and generate variations of it without providing a prompt.

Melting_Harps4• 4 years ago

"Starting today, users get full usage rights to commercialize the images they create with DALL·E, including the right to reprint, sell, and merchandise. This includes images they generated during the research preview."
> And I just used it to create cover art for a book published in Amazon :)

Man... what a missed opportunity for Altman... he could have had a really good cryptocurrency/token with a healthy ecosystem and a creative based community if he didn't push this Worldcoin biometric harvesting BS had he just waited for this to release and coupled it with access to GPT.

This is the kind of thing that Web3 (a joke) was pushing for all along: revolutionary tech that the everyday person can understand with it's own token based ecosystem for access with full creative rights from the prompts.

I wonder if he stepped down from Open AI and put it in a figurehead as CEO could this still work?

Why is using a token better than using money, in this case?

It would be better for OpenAI if it can monetize not just its subscription based model via a token to pay for overhead and for further R/D but also for it's ability to issue tokens it can freely exchange for utility on it's platform for exclusive access outside of it's capped $15 model and allow for pay as you go models for those who don't have access to it like myself as it's limited to 1 million users.

I don't want an account, and I think that type of gatekeeping wasn't cool during the gmail days either and I had early access back then too, but I'd still personally buy $100s of dollars worth of prompts right now since I think it is fascinating use of NLP and I'm just one of many missed opportunities and represent a lost userbase who just want access for specific projects. By doing this they can still retain the caps of useage on their platform and expand and contract them as they see fit without excluding others.

This in turn could justify the continual investment from the VC World into these projects (under the guise of web3) and allow them to scale into viable businesses and further expand the use of AI/ML into other creative spaces, which as a person studying AI and ML and a background in BTC, is what we all wanted to see instead of these aimless bubbles in things like Solana or yield farming via fake DeFi projects like Calesius that we've seen.

It would legitimize the use of a token for use of an ecosystem model outside of BTC, which to be honest doesn't really exist and has still a tarnished view with all these failed projects, while gaining reception amongst a greater audience since it's captivated so many since it's release.

pliny• 4 years ago

Why is using a token better than using money, in this case?

mensetmanusman3• 4 years ago

They will benefit by getting additional feedback on which output images are most useful.

minimaxir8• 4 years ago

DALL-E 2 has a "Save" feature which is likely a data gathering mechanism for this use case.

bilsbie• 4 years ago

Every tech should do this. Could google maps silently change your designation to a minority owned alternative?

vlunkr• 4 years ago

Is the lesson here that these images are worth nothing so they lose nothing by giving them away?

ccmcarey2• 4 years ago

That's about 10x as expensive as it should be

karencarits• 4 years ago

$15 for 115 iterations/460 images?

ccmcarey2• 4 years ago

Yep. During the alpha it was (50*6) 300 images per day, by their pricing model that would be $300 a month now

WalterSear4• 4 years ago

$15 for 115 attempts to get usable images.

gverri2• 4 years ago

$0.13/prompt can only be useful for artists/end users. Anyone thinking about using this at scale would need a 20/30x reduction in price. But there's still no API available so I think that will change with time. Maybe they will add different tiers based on volume.

jeanlucas5• 4 years ago

Thing is, as a current user: you rarely get it right in the first prompt, you can iterate 10 times until you get what you want.

I spent several tries yesterday to get this angle "from the ground up": https://labs.openai.com/s/mz8LiyvkI8KwD2luJ6MrS23m

raisedbyninjas• 4 years ago

When there is a competitor, they can adjust pricing. For now, it's virtually magic.

bradleybuda• 4 years ago

You should ship a competitor! Sounds like you found a great market opportunity.

scifibestfi3• 4 years ago

What are you basing that on? What should the price be? The training and generation are probably expensive.

Workaccount2• 4 years ago

Welcome to SaaS.

kache_5• 4 years ago

Give it some time. Other organizations will race to the bottom.

They might even provide image generation at a loss to drive people to their platforms.

thorum2• 4 years ago

Until you consider the level of demand for this product, which is surely higher than OpenAI can scale to with the number of GPUs they have. If they price it lower they’ll be overwhelmed.

qualudeheart2• 4 years ago

That’s a good thing. It’s harm reduction to save artist jobs.

skilled2• 4 years ago

I can’t check right now but this mean the watermark is also gone and images will have a higher resolution?

gverri2• 4 years ago

Watermarks are still there and resolution still 1024x1024.

skilled2• 4 years ago

I wonder if they have plans to allow SVG exports in the future. I mean, the file size would probably be ridiculous in a lot of the cases, but for my use case I wouldn't mind it. And sucks about the watermark, maybe they will introduce an option to pay for removing it.

jawns• 4 years ago

One of the commercial use cases this post mentions is authors who want to add illustrations to children's stories.

I wonder if there is a way for DALL-E to generate a character, then persist that character over subsequent runs. Otherwise, it would be pretty difficult to generate illustrations that depict a coherent story.

Example ...

Image 1 prompt: A character named Boop, a green alien with three arms, climbs out of its spaceship.

Image 2 prompt: Boop meets a group of three children and shakes hands with each one.

minimaxir8• 4 years ago

You can cheat this to a limited extent using inpainting.

rahimnathwani2• 4 years ago

You mean just generate a single large image with all the stuff you want for the whole story, and then use cropping and inpainting to get only the piece you want for each page?

TaupeRanger2• 4 years ago

You can't do that. I can't see this working well for children's book illustrations unless the story was specifically tailored in a way that makes continuity of style and characters irrelevant.

WalterSear4• 4 years ago

I would expect continuuity to be a relatively simple feature to retrain for and implement.

CobrastanJorji• 4 years ago

As an aside, Ursula Vernon did pretty well under the constraint you described. She set a comic in a dreamscape and used AI to generate most of the background imagery: https://twitter.com/UrsulaV/status/1467652391059214337

It's not the "specify the character positions in text" proposed, but still a neat take on using this sort of AI for art.

bergenty2• 4 years ago

You cannot. But a workaround would be to say something like “generate an alien in three different poses— running, walking, waving”

Then use inpainting to only preserve that pose and generate new content around it. It’s definitely not perfect.

londons_explore• 4 years ago

You can do better than this. Draw/generate your character.

Then put that at the side of a transparent image, and use as the prompt, "Two identical aliens side by side. One is jumping"

hiidrew2• 4 years ago

I think you can feed it a link to images for inspiration. Wondering if you could just pass the first image to retain 'Boop'.

pawelduda• 4 years ago

That's disappointing given up until this point you could have 50 free uses per 24h. I expected it to get monetized eventually, but not so fast and drastically. Well, still had my fun and have to say the creations are so good it's often mind blowing there's an AI behind it.

dougmwne• 4 years ago

Honestly, it is probably just that expensive to run. You can’t expect someone to hand you free compute of significant value and directly charging for it is a lot better than other things they could do.

mysore2• 4 years ago

they're a non-profit so the price is probably still dirt cheap

ajafari12• 4 years ago

Not correct. They have a for-profit entity now. That's why there is a huge incentive to monetize. Any for-profit investment gain is capped at 100x, with the rest required to go to their nonprofit. This commercialization is just as I predicted in my substack post 2 days ago that hit the front page of Hacker News: https://aifuture.substack.com/p/the-ai-battle-rages-on

rvz3• 4 years ago

Starting today, users get full usage rights to commercialize the images they create with DALL·E, including the right to reprint, sell, and merchandise. This includes images they generated during the research preview.

So DALL·E 2 is going to restart, revive and cause another renaissance of fully automated and mass generated NFTs, full of derivatives and remixing etc to pump up the crypto NFT hype squad?

Either way, OpenAI wins again as these crypto companies are going to pour tens of thousands of generated images to pump their NFT griftopia off of life support, reconfirming that it isn't going to die that easily.

Regardless of this possible revival attempt, 90% of these JPEG NFTs will eventually still die.

Bud• 4 years ago

I don't see why there's any credible reason to expect that DALL-E will do anything at all to help those promoting the NFT silliness. Two separate issues.

mdanger007• 4 years ago

If OpenAI could make a profit selling Dall-E images as NFT, I'd assume they'd do it, yeah?

randomperson_24• 4 years ago

I have tried playing around with the beta access to make it generate NFT art with different prompts, but in vail.

I think it has not been trained on NFT art (crypto punks and so on).

Melting_Harps4• 4 years ago

I think it has not been trained on NFT art (crypto punks and so on).

How exactly are you defining NFT art?

I mean, it can literately be anything: Dorsey sold a screencap of his 1st tweet, Nadya from Pussy Riot did some creative stuff, and the Ape crap was the bulk of this stuff that got passed around.

I think what can be gleaned from that short-lived non-sense is that value is subjective and that the quality of a valuabe piece of 'art' is equally as hard to define. Much the same with its predecessor: cryptokitties.

SquareWheel2• 4 years ago

Heads up: I think you meant "in vain" rather than "in vail". However, a similar phrase is "to no avail" which also means that something was not successful.

TekMol• 4 years ago

I wonder how fast they will invite the 1 million users?

I have been on the waitlist for a while and did not get access yet.

Did anybody get access already today?

deviner• 4 years ago

nope, I've been for quite some time too

nharada3• 4 years ago

Something I haven’t seen anyone talking about with these huge models: how do future models get trained when more content online is model generated to start with? Presumably you don’t wanna train a model on autogenerated images or text, but you can’t necessarily know which is which.

cpach• 4 years ago

Makes me think of Ouroboros

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ouroboros

nharada3• 4 years ago

Reminds me of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Low-background_steel

zitterbewegung• 4 years ago

This should be a step in cleaning your data to begin with. If you don't know the providence of your data then you shouldn't be even training with it.

Getting humans to refine your data is the best solution right now and many companies and researches go with this approach.

nharada3• 4 years ago

But how would you know? A random string of text or an image with the watermark removed is going to be very hard to distinguish generated from human written.

FrenchDevRemote• 4 years ago

You can't use humans to manually refine a dataset on the scale of GPT-3 or DALL-E

Clip was trained on 400,000,000 images, GPT is roughly 180B tokens, at 1-2 tokens per word, that's 120,000,000,000 words.

jazzyjackson3• 4 years ago

s/ide/ena

sailingparrot• 4 years ago

Getting humans to refine your data is the best solution right now

Source ?

All those big models are trained with data for which the source is not known or vetted. The amount of data needed is not human-refinable.

For example for language models we train mostly on subsets of CommonCrawl + other things. CommonCrawl data is “cleaned” by filtering out known bad sources and with some heuristics such as ratio of text to other content, length of sentences etc.

The final result is a not too dirty but not clean huge pile of data that comes from millions of sources that no human as vetted and that no one in the team using the data knows about.

The same applies to large images dataset, e.g. Laon 400m that also comes from CommonCrawl and is not curated.

Jleagle• 4 years ago

The images i have created all have a watermark.. This is at least one way to filter out most images, by the same AI at least.

Gigachad2• 4 years ago

It’s trivial to remove the watermark and other tools put no watermark on.

mikeyouse• 4 years ago

This precise thing is causing a funny problem in specialty areas. People are using e.g. Google Lens to identify plants, birds and insects, which sometimes returns wrong answers e.g. say it sees a picture of a Summer Tanager and calls it a Cardinal. If the people then post "Saw this Cardinal" and the model picks up that picture/post and incorporates it into its training set, it's just reinforcing the wrong identification..

scarmig• 4 years ago

That's not really a new problem, though. At one point someone got some bad training data about an old Incan town, the misidentification spread, and nowadays we train new human models to call it Macchu Picchu.

Pxtl• 4 years ago

Then that's a cardinal now.

bobbylarrybobby• 4 years ago

https://xkcd.com/978/

samstave4• 4 years ago

Imagine when there is an AI that is monitoring content creation and keeping tabs of original sources....

goolulusaurs• 4 years ago

It's a cybernetic feedback system. Dalle is used to create new images, the images that people find most interesting and noteworthy get shared online, and reincorporated into the training data, but now filtered through human desire.

jmartrican• 4 years ago

I wonder if human artists can demand that their work not be used for modelling. So as the robots are stuck using older styles for their creations, the humans will keep creating new styles of art.

qualudeheart2• 4 years ago

They’ll ignore it either way.

naillo4• 4 years ago

One interesting comment about this is that some models actually benefit from being fed their own output. Alphafold for instance was fed with its own 'high likelihood' outputs (as demis hassabis described in his lex friedman interview).

blfr• 4 years ago

Training on auto generated images collected off the Internet is gonna be fine for a while since the images surfacing will be curated (ie. selected as good/interesting/valuable) still mostly by humans.

can16358p2• 4 years ago

I think with the terms requiring explicitly telling which images/parts were generated, they could be filtered out and prevent a feedback loop of "generated in/generated out" images. I'm sure there will be some illegal/against terms of use cases there but the majority should represent fair use.

gwern4• 4 years ago

My discussion of this issue (which actually comes up in like every DALL-E 2 discussion on HN): https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/uKp6tBFStnsvrot5t/what-dall-...

dharbin• 4 years ago

I find it amusing that they suggest DALL-E, which typically generates lovecraftian nightmare images, for making children's story illustrations.

throwaway0x7E63• 4 years ago

yeah. dalle is "so bad it's good".

it's great for post-post-ironic memes, but I don't see it being useful for anything else

arkitaip• 4 years ago

No wireless. Less space than a nomad. Lame.

andybak11• 4 years ago

Have you tried any of the "human or Dall-E" tests?

How did you score?

I only scored as well as I did because I knew the kind of stylistic choices to look out for. In terms of "quality" I really don't understand how you've reached this conclusion.

driverdan2• 4 years ago

How so? If you give it prompts for children story illustrations with a detailed description it will not give you "lovecraftian nightmare images".

cypress66• 4 years ago

Reducing bias: We implemented a new technique so that DALL·E generates images of people that more accurately reflect the diversity of the world’s population. This technique is applied at the system level when DALL·E is given a prompt about an individual that does not specify race or gender, like “CEO.”

Will it do it "more accurately" as they claim? As in, if 90% of CEOs are male, then the odds of a CEO being male in a picture is 90%? Or less "accurately reflect the diversity of the world’s population" and show what they would like the real world to be like?

scifibestfi3• 4 years ago

The latter. Here's what we, a small number of people, think the world should look like according to our own biases and information bubble in the current moment. We will impose our biases upon you, the unenlightened masses who must be manipulated for your own good. And for god sakes, don't look for photos of the US Math team or NBA Basketball or compare soccer teams across different countries and cultures.

bequanna6• 4 years ago

Here's what we, a small number of people, think the world should look like according to our own biases and information bubble in the current moment.

You're being quite charitable. It is much more likely that optics and virtue signaling is behind this addition.

klohto• 4 years ago

hardmaru on Twitter has examples. It’s the second, the one they would like it to be.

kache_5• 4 years ago

They literally just add "black" and "female" with some weight before any prompt containing person.

A comical work around to so called "bias" (isn't the whole point of these models to encode some bias?). Here's some experimentation showing this.

https://twitter.com/rzhang88/status/1549472829304741888

As competitors with lower price points prop up, you'll see everyone ditch models with "anti bias" measures and take their $ somewhere else. Or maybe we'll get some real solution, that adds noise to the embeddings, and not some half assed workaround to the arbitrary rules that your resident AI Ethicist comes up with.

danielvf2• 4 years ago

Add after. So you can see the added words by making a prompt like "a person holding a sign saying ", and then the sign says the extra words if they are added.

whywhywhywhy4• 4 years ago

How does it deal with bias that is negative?

Would only work for positive biases where if they actually want to equalize it then it needs to be adding the opposite to negative biases.

To counteract the bias of their dataset they need to have someone sitting there actively thinking in bias to counteract the bias with anti-bias seasoning for every bias causing term. Feel bad for whatever person is tasked with that job.

Could always just fix your dataset, but who's got time and money to do that /s

totetsu4• 4 years ago

Yes the quality of surrealist generations went down with that change suddenly including gender and race into prompts that I really didn't want anything specific in. Like a snail radio DJ, and suddenly the microphone is a woman of colours head.. I understand the intention but I want this to be a default on but you can turn it off thing.

TheFreim2• 4 years ago

It's also odd since you'd think that this would be an issue solved by training with representative images in the first place.

If you used good input you'd expect an appropriate output, I don't know why manual intervention would be necessary unless it's for other purposes than stated. I suspect this is another case where "diversity" simply means "less whites".

bjt2n3904• 4 years ago

Will it reduce bias across all fields? Or only ones that are desirable? How about historical?

"A photo of a group of soldiers from WW2 celebrating victory over nazi CEOs and plumbers".

naillo4• 4 years ago

It's also funny that this likely won't 'unbias' any actual published images coming out of it. If 90% of the images in the world has a male CEO, then for whatever reason that's the image people will pick and choose from DALL-Es output. (Generalized to any unbiasing - i.e. they'll be debiased by humans.)

bequanna6• 4 years ago

Imagine you're in South Korea (or any other ethnically homogenous country). Do you want "black" "female" randomly appended to your input?

StrictDabbler• 4 years ago

If accurately reflects the world population then only one in six pictures will be a white person. Half the pictures will be Asian, another sixth will be Indian.

Slightly more than half of the pictures will be women.

That accurately represents the world's diversity. It won't accurately reflect the world's power balance but that doesn't seem to be their goal.

If you want to say "white male CEO" because you want results that support the existing paradigm it doesn't sound like they'll stop you. I can't imagine a more boring request.

Let's look at interesting questions:

If you ask for "victorian detective" are you going to get a bunch of Asians in deerstalker caps with pipes?

What about Jedi? A lot of the Jedi are blue and almost nobody on Earth is.

Are cartoon characters exempt from the racial algorithm? If I ask for a Smurf surfing on a pizza I don't think that making the Smurf Asian is going to be a comfortable image for any viewer.

What about ageism? 16% of the population is over sixty. Will a request for "superhero lifting a building" have an 16% chance of being old?

If I request a "bad driver peering over a steering wheel" am I still going to get an Asian 50% of the time? Are we ok with that?

I respect the team's effort to create an inclusive and inoffensive tool. I expect it's going to be hard going.

bequanna6• 4 years ago

inoffensive tool.

Wouldn't that result end up being like "inoffensive art" or "inoffensive comedy"?

Bland, boring and Corporate-PC.

visarga2• 4 years ago

You know a surprising way to solve the issues you presented? You train another model to trick DALL-E to generate undesirable images. It will use all its generative skills to probe for prompts. Then you can use those prompts to fine-tune the original model. So you use generative models as a devil's advocate.

- Red Teaming Language Models with Language Models

https://arxiv.org/abs/2202.03286

president• 4 years ago

Most likely this was something forced by their marketing team or their office of diversity. Given the explanation of the implementation (arbitrarily adding "black" and "female" qualifiers), it's clear it was just an afterthought.

noelsusman• 4 years ago

In their examples, the "After mitigation" photos seem more representative of the real world. Before you got nothing but white guys for firefighter or software engineer and nothing but white ladies for teacher. That's not how the real world actually is today.

I'm not sure how they would accomplish 100% accurate proportions anyway, or even why that would be desirable. If I don't specify any traits then I want to see a wide variety of people. That's a more useful product than one that just gives me one type of person over and over again because it thinks there are no female firefighters in the world.

NaughtyShiba• 4 years ago

Slightly offtopic, but how one would report false-positive check in content policy check?

modeless• 4 years ago

It's laughably primitive. Tried to upload "The Creation of Adam", policy violation. Tried to make an image in "yarn bombing" style, policy violation. The Scunthorpe problem is too hard for cutting edge AI to tackle, I guess.

c0decracker2• 4 years ago

Interesting. I got access couple weeks ago (was on waitlist since the initial announcement) and frankly as much as really want to be excited and like it, DALL-E ended up being a bit underwhelming. IMHO - often results that produced are of low quality (distorted images, or quite wacky representation of the query). Some styles of imagery are certainly a better fit for being generated by DALL-E, but as far as commercial usage I think it needs a few iterations and probably even larger underlying model.

andybak11• 4 years ago

I also got access a couple of weeks ago and I can't fathom how anyone could be underwhelmed by it.

What were you expecting?

harpersealtako2• 4 years ago

Dalle seems to only have a few "styles" of drawing that it is actually "good" at. It is particularly strong at these styles but disappointingly underwhelming at anything else, and will actively fight you and morph your prompt into one of these styles even when given an inpainting example of exactly what you want.

It's great at photorealistic images like this: https://labs.openai.com/s/0MFuSC1AsZcwaafD3r0nuJTT, but it's intentionally lobotomized to be bad at faces, and often has an uncanny valley feel in general, like this: https://labs.openai.com/s/t1iBu9G6vRqkx5KLBGnIQDrp (never mind that it's also lobotomized to be unable to recognize characters in general). It's basically as close to perfect as an AI can be at generating dogs and cats though, but anything else will be "off" in some meaningful ways.

It has a particular sort of blurry, amateur oil painting digital art style it often tries to use for any colorful drawings, like this: https://labs.openai.com/s/EYsKUFR5GvooTSP5VjDuvii2 or this: https://labs.openai.com/s/xBAJm1J8hjidvnhjEosesMZL . You can see the exact problem in the second one with inpainting: it utterly fails at the "clean" digital art style, or drawing anything with any level of fine detail, or matching any sort of vector art or line art (e.g. anime/manga style) without loads of ugly, distracting visual artifacts. Even Craiyon and DALLE-mini outperform it on this. I've tried over 100 prompts to get stuff like that to generate and have not had a single prompt that is able to generate anything even remotely good in that style yet. It seems almost like it has a "resolution" of detail for non-photographic images, and any detail below a certain resolution just becomes a blobby, grainy brush stroke, e.g. this one: https://labs.openai.com/s/jtvRjiIZRsAU1ukofUvHiFhX , the "fairies" become vague colored blobs here. It can generate some pretty ok art in very specific styles, e.g. classical landscape paintings: https://labs.openai.com/s/6rY7AF7fWPb5wWiSH0rAG0Rm , but for anything other than this generic style it disappoints hard.

The other style it is ok at is garish corporate clip art, which is unremarkable and there's already more than enough clip art out there for the next 1000 years of our collective needs -- it is nevertheless somewhat annoying when it occasionally wastes a prompt generating that crap because you weren't specific that you wanted "good" images of the thing you were asking for.

The more I use DALLE-2 the more I just get depressed at how much wasted potential it has. It's incredibly obvious they trimmed a huge amount of quality data and sources from their databases for "safety" reasons, and this had huge effects on the actual quality of the outputs in all but the most mundane of prompts. I've got a bunch more examples of trying to get it to generate the kind of art I want (cute anime art, is that too much to ask for?) and watching it fail utterly every single time. The saddest part is when you can see it's got some incredible glimpse of inspiration or creative genius, but just doesn't have the ability to actually follow through with it.

c0decracker2• 4 years ago

Fundamentally I have two categories of issues I see with DALL-E, but please don't get me wrong -- I think this is a great demonstration of what is possible with huge models and I think OpenAI work in general is fantastic. I will most certainly continue using both DALL-E and OpenAI's GPT3. (1) Between what DALL-E can do today and commercial utility is a rift in my opinion. I readily admit that I am have not done hundreds of queries (thank you folks for pointing that out, I'll practice more!) but that means that there is a learning curve, isn't it? I can't just go to DALL-E, mess with it for 5-10 minutes and get my next ad or book cover or illustration for my next project done? (2) I think DALL-E has issues with faces and human form in general. Images it produces are often quite repulsive and take the uncanny valley to the next level. I absolutely surprise myself when I noticed thinking that images with humans DALL-E produced lack of... soul? Cats and dogs on the other hand it handles much better. I done tests with other entities --- say cars or machinery -- and it generally performs so so with them too, often creating disproportionate representations of them or misplacing chunks. If you're querying for multiple objects on a scene it quite often melds them together. This is more pronounced in photorealistic renderings. When I query for painting-style it works mostly better. That said every now and then it does produce a great image, but with this way of arriving at it, how fast I'll have to replenish those credits?.. :)

All in all though I think I am underwhelmed mostly because my initial expectations were off, I am still a fan of DALL-E specifically and GPT3 in general. Now when is GPT4 coming out? :)

dereg• 4 years ago

I felt the same way. If anything, I realized how soulless and uninteresting faceless art is. Dall-E 2 goes out of its way to make terrible faces for, im guessing, deepfake reasons?

arecurrence5• 4 years ago

I suspect you simply need to use it more with a lot more variation in your prompts. In particular, it takes style direction and some other modifiers to really get rolling. Run at least a few hundred prompts with this in mind. Most will be awful output... but many will be absolute gems.

It has, honestly, completely blown me away beyond my wildest imagination of where this technology would be at today.

simonw• 4 years ago

This book has some very good, actionable advice on crafting prompts that get better results out of DALL-E: https://dallery.gallery/the-dalle-2-prompt-book/

bemmu3• 4 years ago

I was supposed to be making a video game, but got a bit sidetracked when DALL·E came out and made this website on the side: http://dailywrong.com/ (yes I should get SSL).

It's like The Onion, but all the articles are made with GPT-3 and DALL·E. I start with an interesting DALL·E image, then describe it to GPT-3 and ask it for an Onion-like article on the topic. The results are surprisingly good.

aantix2• 4 years ago

Parenting > "Gillette Releases a New Razor for Babies"

bemmu3• 4 years ago

I loved how it just consistently decided that if babies have facial hair, it's always white fluff.

busyant2• 4 years ago

This is clever. Does GPT-3 come up with the title of the article, too? That's the funniest part.

bemmu3• 4 years ago

At first I came up with them myself, but found that it often comes up with better ones, so I ask it for variations.

I think I got it to even fill the title given a picture, something like “Article picture caption: Man holding an apple. Article title: ...”. Might experiment more with that in the future.

dntrkv2• 4 years ago

Spam advertising is about to reach whole new levels of weird.

aantix2• 4 years ago

Feels like the headlines could be generated similar to the style of "They Fight Crime!"

"He's a hate-fuelled neurotic farmboy searching for his wife's true killer. She's a tortured insomniac snake charmer from a family of eight older brothers. They fight crime!"

https://theyfightcrime.org/

Here's an implementation in Perl.

http://paulm.com/toys/fight_crime.pl.txt

edm0nd• 4 years ago

lol that site is great

He's an unconventional gay paranormal investigator moving from town to town, helping folk in trouble. She's a violent motormouth wrestler from the wrong side of the tracks. They fight crime!
He's a Nobel prize-winning sweet-toothed rock star who believes he can never love again. She's a strong-willed communist widow with a knack for trouble. They fight crime!
He's an obese white trash barbarian with a secret. She's a virginal thirtysomething traffic cop with the power to bend men's minds. They fight crime!

tildef• 4 years ago

Actually got a chuckle out of the duck one (http://dailywrong.com/man-finally-comfortable-just-holding-a...). Thanks! I hope your keep generating them. Kind of wish there weren't a newsletter nag, but on the other hand it adds to the realism. Could be worthwhile to generate the text of the nag with gpt too; call it a kind of lampshading.

lagrange772• 4 years ago

http://dailywrong.com/new-course-teaches-guinea-pigs-househo...

lol

prawn• 4 years ago

We joke about it, but an early and very cheap robotic floor cleaner I had was one of those weasel balls constrained in a flat ring harness with a dusting cloth underneath. It was entertaining and not completely useless.

Put a guinea pig in there and you'd get the same effect.

tiborsaas• 4 years ago

Thanks, finally a legit news publication :)

This was really funny :)

http://dailywrong.com/man-finally-comfortable-just-holding-a...

zanderwohl3• 4 years ago

Somehow these articles are more readable than typical AI-generated search engine fodder... Is it because I'm entering the site with an expectation of nonsense?

biztos• 4 years ago

So the other men in the pictures are the uncomfortable ones?

firecall• 4 years ago

Yes, I actually LOLed at that one!

astroalex• 4 years ago

This is amazing! Honestly one of the first uses of GPT3/DALL E that has held my attention for longer than a few seconds.

benbristow• 4 years ago

From the server IP looks like you're on some managed WordPress hosting that only offers free SSL on the more 'premium' packages.

Easiest way for free SSL would be to just throw the domain on CloudFlare :)

pieter_mj• 4 years ago

Very funny! The "Scientists Warn New Faster Toothbrush May Cause Insanity"-story is not fake though, I've experienced it ;)

drusepth• 4 years ago

Haha, I was in a very similar boat when I built https://novelgens.com -- I was also supposed to be making a video game, but got a bit sidetracked with VQGAN+CLIP and other text/image generation models.

Now I'm using that content in the video game. I wonder if you could use these articles as some fake news in your game, too. :)

uxamanda• 4 years ago

The part where you have to confirm you are not a robot to subscribe to the mailing list is the best part of this, my new favorite website.

jelliclesfarm• 4 years ago

Love it! Better than other news I get to read these days. Some of it rings..like the bluebird suing the cat.

Thank you! Bookmarked!

walrus01• 4 years ago

The results with things that are artworks or more general concepts are fascinating, but there is for sure something creepy with "photorealistic" human eyes and faces going on...

If you want to see some really creepy AI generated human "photo" faces, take a look at Bots of New York:

https://www.facebook.com/botsofnewyork

jezzamon• 4 years ago

They intentionally prevented it from being able to general realistic faces to reduce the potential for deep fakes

POPOSYS• 4 years ago

Unfortunately the content of that project is a hostage of Facebook now - similar to ransomware gangsters they force you to do something to get the data, in this case you need to create an account and take part in that global surveillance network. I do not understand why people do that.

stuaxo• 4 years ago

This is fantastic, the fake news the world needs.

aasasd2• 4 years ago

http://dailywrong.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/DALL%C2%B7E...

Hot dang. Some Reddit subs can be auto-generated now.

spyder• 4 years ago

It's already a thing:

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubSimulatorGPT2/

but yea, it will have generated images now.

housedrafta• 4 years ago

I had the same thought when I saw this one http://dailywrong.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/DALL%C2%B7E...

picozeta• 4 years ago

These are actually quite funny. A bit of a surreal touch, but that makes them even more fun.

layer8• 4 years ago

This one seems like it could actually be real in Japan: http://dailywrong.com/anime-pillow-gym-opens-in-tokyo/ ;)

ttyyzz• 4 years ago

NGL this shit is pretty cursed and I like it.

czhu12• 4 years ago

These results are pretty amazing. Are these cherry picked / curated / edited at all?

pontusrehula• 4 years ago

Yes they are heavily cherry picked. The web site itself has a disclaimer about it.

01100011• 4 years ago

It would be interesting to see if there was a market for a monthly newsprint version similar to the old https://weeklyworldnews.com/

Can DALL-E render Bat Boy?

Aeolun• 4 years ago

I’m curious, if they’re only making DALL-E accessible now, and if GPT-3 was never really accessible (as far as I know). How do you have access to these things to generate text and images?

blackoil• 4 years ago

DALL-E was accessible by invite/waiting queue. GPT-3 is available for pretty long.

muzani3• 4 years ago

There's no waitlist for GPT-3 now. DALL-E is an unrelated product; you don't need access to both.

bengkoang• 4 years ago

Try Auto-Install Free SSL plugin, it easy for me

bergenty2• 4 years ago

Hilarious. Those first images have hurt feminism more than the GOP has in 30 years.

http://dailywrong.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/DALL%C2%B7E...

dusted• 4 years ago

You get + two million points from me for not having HTTPS.

lostgame• 4 years ago

This a fucking fantastic site, it’s absolutely hilarious, and I’ve bookmarked it - I kinda unironically want to set it as my home page - but just a heads up that the CSS is broken for me on my iPhone SE2.

The images don’t scale properly with the rest of the site, they’re massive compared to the content.

edf13• 4 years ago

Your images are coming over SSL - so won't show up on many browsers (E.g. Firefox)

sabertoothed• 4 years ago

You should let readers rate the articles. This way readers new to the site can read the best ones first and get a good impression.

mcintyre1994• 4 years ago

Haha I love this one: https://dailywrong.com/why-your-dog-could-be-an-alien/

dash2• 4 years ago

How do you generate the original image? And what about the subsequent images, do they come automatically from the text? I'd love to know more about the process.

mderazon• 4 years ago

This is great, I love it.

Why do the images load so slow though?

naet• 4 years ago

I've had that idea since GPT 3 but never got any access...

ryanmercer4• 4 years ago

This is the most wonderful thing ever.

lagrange772• 4 years ago

Has anyone else had problems with the 'Generate Variations' functions lately? Tried it out first 3 days ago, and it says 'Something went wrong. Please try again later, or contact support@openai.com if this is an ongoing problem.' everytime since then.

jeanlucas5• 4 years ago

Hmmm DALL·E was a struggling sometimes, you can always keep check on Discord, they keep us informed there.

tourist_on_road• 4 years ago

Super impressive to see how OpenAI managed to bring the project from research to production (something usable for creatives). This is non trivial since the usecase involves filtering NSFW content, reducing bias in generated images. Kudos to the entire team.

aledalgrande• 4 years ago

I wonder at this price point which kind of business can use DALL E at scale?

xnx• 4 years ago

I fully expect stock image sites to be swamped by DALL-E generated images that match popular terms (e.g. "business person shaking hands"). Generate the image for $0.15. Sell it for $1.00.

dymk• 4 years ago

They'll likely immediately go out of business, because I can just pay OpenAI 15 cents directly for the exact same product.

dylanlacom• 4 years ago

Eh, I’d bet the arbitrage window is pretty brief, and that prices will fall closer to $0.15 pretty quickly.

redox99• 4 years ago

DALL-E 2 isn't good enough for such photorealistic pictures with humans as of yet however.

bpicolo• 4 years ago

https://twitter.com/TobiasCornille/status/154972906039745331...

Unless I'm missing something, these seem pretty darn good

arecurrence5• 4 years ago

There has been trouble with generating life-like eyes but a second pass with a model tuned around making realistic faces has been very successful at fixing that.

thorum2• 4 years ago

DALLE images are still only 1024 px wide. Which has its uses, but I don’t think the stock photo industry is in real danger until someone figures out a better AI superresolution system that can produce larger and more detailed images.

arecurrence5• 4 years ago

You can obtain any size by using the source image with the masking feature. Take the original and shift it then mask out part of the scene and re-run. Sort of like a patchwork quilt, it will build variations of the masked areas with each generation.

Once the API is released, this will be easier to do in a programmatic fashion.

Note: Depending on how many times you do this... I could see there being a continuity problem with the extremes of the image (eg: the far left has no knowledge of the far right). An alternative could be to scale the image down and mask the borders then later scale it back up to the desired resolution.

This scale and mask strategy also works well for images where part of the scene has been clipped that you want to include (EG: Part of a character's body outside the original image dimensions). Scale the image down, then mask the border region, and provide that to the generation step.

eigenvalue3• 4 years ago

I've been using this app to upscale the images to 4000x4000, and it works amazingly well (there is also a version for Android):

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/waifu2x/id1286485858

I paid extra to get the higher quality model using the in-app purchase option. It crushes the phone's battery life, but runs in only ~10 seconds on an iPhone 13 Pro for a single 1000x1000 input image.

nuclearsugar2• 4 years ago

DallE2 + Topaz Gigapixel AI works amazingly well.

csteubs• 4 years ago

Another commenter mentioned Topaz AI upscaling, and Pixelmator has the "ML Super Resolution" feature; both work remarkably well IMO. There are a number of drop-in and system default resolution enhancement processes that work in a pinch, but the quality is lacking compared to the commercial solutions. There are still some areas where DALL-E 2 is lacking in realism, but anyone handy with photo editing tools could amend those shortcomings fairly quickly.

On-demand stock photo generation probably is the next step, particularly when combined with other free media services (Unsplash immediately comes to mind). Simply choose a "look" or base image, add contextual details, and out pops a 1 of 1 stock photo at a fraction of the cost of standard licensing. It'll be very exciting seeing what new products/services will make use of the DALL-E API, how and where they integrate with other APIs, use cases, value adds like upscaling and formatting, etc.

ploppyploppy• 4 years ago

"buy fo' a dollar, sell fa' two" - Prop. Joe

sogen• 4 years ago

King stays the king!

smusamashah4• 4 years ago

They won't. DALL-E images are mostly not as high quality. The high quality stuff which everyone has been sharing is result of lots of cherry picking.

messe• 4 years ago

If the price is low enough, you can have humans rank generated images (maybe using Mechanical Turk or a similar service), and from that ranking choose only the highest quality DALL-E generated images.

speedgoose2• 4 years ago

In my experience it doesn’t require that much cherry picking if you use a carefully crafted prompt. For example: “ A professional photography of a software developer talking to a plastic duck on his desk, bright smooth lighting, f2.2, bokeh, Leica, corporate stock picture, highly detailed”

And this is the first picture I got: https://labs.openai.com/s/lSWOnxbHBYQAtli9CYlZGqcZ

It got it a bit strong on the depth of field and I don’t like the angle but I could iterate a few times and get a good one.

commandlinefan2• 4 years ago

Even the high quality stuff still can't do human faces right.

Forge36• 4 years ago

If someone can make money doing it they might.

Heck: If the cost to entry is prohibitively low they might do it at a loss and take over the site

andybak11• 4 years ago

It's a lot better than you are claiming. Mind if I ask if you have access personally?

nprateem2• 4 years ago

Give it a few years. I'd be exiting if I owned a stock site

wishfish• 4 years ago

Makes me imagine stock image sites in the near future. Where your search term ("man looks angrily at a desktop computer") gets a generated image in addition to the usual list of stock photos.

Maybe it would be cheaper. I imagine it would one day. And maybe it would have a more liberal usage license.

At any rate, I look forward to this. And I look forward to the inevitable debates over which is better: AI generation or photographer.

JulianaRestrepo2• 4 years ago

remember DALL-E is not allowed to generate faces

andybak11• 4 years ago

No longer true.

dx0342• 4 years ago

So what's the loss? It's not like stock photos are the highest art form. Surely, for some people it means they need to change their business model, but all those just needing pictures to illustrate something the process will be much smoother.

anewpersonality• 4 years ago

Feel sorry for the full time artists.

danielvf2• 4 years ago

I am thrilled about DALL-E, and the new terms of service. However, how they implemented the improved "diversity" is hilarious.

Turns out that they randomly, silently modify your prompt text to append words like "black male" or "female". See https://twitter.com/jd_pressman/status/1549523790060605440

I don't know which emotion I feel more - applause at how glorious this hack is or tears at how ugly it is.

Good luck to them!

mysore2• 4 years ago

it's a hard problem. at least they tried.

protonbob• 4 years ago

Honestly I would rather that they not try. I don't understand why a computer tool has to be held to a political standard.

Jerrrry4• 4 years ago

It's not a "problem," it's an unwanted shard of reality piercing through an ideological guise.

kache_5• 4 years ago

While their heart is in the right place, I'd like to challenge the idea that certain groups are so fragile that they don't understand that historically, there are more pictures of certain groups doing certain things.

It's a hard problem for sure. But remember, the bias ends with the user using the tool. If I want a black scientist, I can just say "black scientist".

Let me be mindful of the bias, until we have a generally intelligent system that can actually do it. I'm generally intelligent too, you know.

tablespoon2• 4 years ago

Turns out that they randomly, silently modify your prompt text to append words like "black male" or "female".

I wonder what the distribution of those modifications is?

speedgoose2• 4 years ago

In my little testing, diversity in ethnicities was achieved but not realistic given the context. I also got a few androgynous people as I asked for a male or a female and another gender was appended.

Hard_Space• 4 years ago

Today, when DALL-E was still free, my Dad asked me to try a prompt about the Buddha sitting by a river, contemplating. I did about 4 prompt variations, and one of them was an Asian female, if that gives any idea about the frequency (I should note that the depiction was of a young, slim, and attractive female Buddha, so I'm not sure they have the bias thing licked just yet).

konfusinomicon• 4 years ago

as far as I can tell, they also concatenate "On LSD" to every prompt as well.

Invictus0• 4 years ago

A dumb solution to a dumber problem.

causi2• 4 years ago

Interesting. Considering this is now a paid product, is modifying user input covered by their ToS? If I was spending a lot of money on it I'd be rather annoyed my input was being silently polluted.

zikduruqe• 4 years ago

Don't spend money. Use https://www.craiyon.com

tptacek3• 4 years ago

Your input isn't being polluted by this any more than it is when the tokens in it are ground up into vectors and transformed mathematically. You just have an easier time understanding this transformation.

kingkawn• 4 years ago

The racist pollution came long before this product was a glimmer in our eye.

tshaddox• 4 years ago

That Twitter thread is full of people saying "yeah that doesn't seem to be true at all" so I'm hesitant to jump to conclusions even if we're deciding to believe random tweets.

bantou_41• 4 years ago

Diversity = black now? That’s even more racist.

xyzzyz• 4 years ago

Diversity has meant exactly that all the way since Bakke.

time_to_smile• 4 years ago

This is funny because I work on a team that is using GPT-3 and to fix a variety of issues we have with incorrect output we've just been having the engineering team prepend/append text to modify the query. As we encounter more problems the team keeps tacking on more text to the query.

This feels like a very hacky way to essentially reinvent programming badly.

My bet is that in a few years or so only a small cohort of engineering and product people will even remember Dall-E and GTP-3 and someone cringe at how we all thought this was going to be a big thing in the space.

There's are both really fascinating novelties, but at the end of the day that's all they are.

throwaway4aday3• 4 years ago

How else would you specify the type of image you would like? Surely, if you were hiring a designer you would provide them with a detailed description of what you wanted. More likely, you would spend a lot of time with them maybe even hours and who knows how many words. For design work specifically to create a first mockup or prototype of a product or image it seems like DALL-E beats that initial phase hands down. It's much easier to type in a description and then choose from a set of images than it is to go back and forth with someone who may take hours or days to create renderings of a few options. I don't think it'll put designers out of work but I do think they'll be using it regularly to boost their productivity.

selestify• 4 years ago

What are you using GPT-3 for in a commercial setting?

DecayingOrganic• 4 years ago

Since many people will start generating their first images soon, be sure to check out this amazing DALL-E prompt engineering book [0]. It will help you get the most out of DALL-E.

[0] https://dallery.gallery/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/The-DALL%... (PDF)

uplifter• 4 years ago

Thanks for this! A bit of prompt engineering know-how will help me get the most bang for the buck out of this beta. I also just want to say that dallery.gallery is delightfully clever naming.

ZeWaka2• 4 years ago

This is absolutely amazing. Thanks!

ru552• 4 years ago

nice write up, thanks

samstave4• 4 years ago

AMAZING, Thank you.

I hope that every science teacher that can - provide this to every student. This is the future they live in now. They should know these as well as they know how to install an app on a device.

Wait until we have a DALL-E -- Enabled Custom EMOJI stream - whereby, every text you send out has it corresponding DALL-E resultant image for every txt --

Then we can compare images from different people at different times but the prompt was identical... and see what the resultant library of emoji<-->PROMPT looks like?

What about using Dall-e as a watermark for 'nft' signature 'notary' of an email.

If DALL-E provided a unique PID# for every image - and that PID was a key that only the OP runner of the image has - it can be used to authenticate an image to a text source... ??? (Assuming that no two prompts have the same result ever, but assigning a unique id that CAN be used to replay the image to verify it was generated when an original email/SMS was actually sent - it could be a unique way to timestamp authenticity/provenance of a thing...

alexalx666• 4 years ago

thanks! love the link highlight

khiner• 4 years ago

Thank you, this is great!

totetsu4• 4 years ago

I was really enjoying using Dalle2 to take surrealist walks around the latent image space of human cultural production. I was using it as one might use Wikipedia researching the links between objects and their representation. Also just to generate suggestion for what to have for lunch. None of this was for anything of commercial value to me. What am I to do now, start to find ways to sell the images I'm outputting? Do I displace the freelance artists in the market who actually have real talent and ability to create images and compositions and who studied how use the tools of the trade. Does the income artists can make now get displaced by people using dalle? Then do people stop learning how to actually make art and we come to the end of new cultural production and just start remixing everything made untill now?

totetsu4• 4 years ago

With real artist left only making images of sex and violence and other TOS violations

choppaface• 4 years ago

A free alternative:

https://huggingface.co/spaces/dalle-mini/dalle-mini

Reminder that the OpenAI team claimed safety issues about releasing the weights. Now they’re charging, when the above link GPU time is being paid for by investor dollars. I guess sama must be hurting if he can only afford OpenAI credit packs for celebrities and his friends.

O__________O2• 4 years ago

Two questions:

(1) Any opinions on if removing the watermark is possible? Is doing so against the terms of service?

(2) Appears the output is still at 1024x1024 - what are options to upscale the resolution, for example would OpenCV super resolution work?

jeanlucas5• 4 years ago

It is possible, they confirmed on discord you can remove the watermark.

Yep... The output is an issue, I'd like to pay if that was an upgrade.

O__________O2• 4 years ago

Annoying that if removing the watermark is allowed that it is even inserted. Imagine if Adobe did that.

Here’s more information on super resolution options beyond what Adobe already offers:

(1) List of options current options for super resolutions:

https://upscale.wiki/wiki/Different_Neural_Networks

(2) Older example of one way to benchmark:

https://docs.opencv.org/4.x/dc/d69/tutorial_dnn_superres_ben...

ajafari12• 4 years ago

I wrote about this happening two days ago on my sub stack post, "OpenAI will start charging businesses for images based on how many images they request. Just like Amazon Web Services charges businesses for usage across storage, computing, etc. Imagine a simple webpage where OpenAI will list out their AI-job suite, including “jobs” such as software developer, graphics designer, customer support rep, and accountant. You can select which service offerings you’d like to purchase ad-hoc or opt into the full AI-job suite."

In case you are interested in reading the whole take: https://aifuture.substack.com/p/the-ai-battle-rages-on

arrow7000• 4 years ago

"Business monetises their offering" can't say I'm entirely blown away by the prediction

naillo4• 4 years ago

This news is funny since it doesn't actually change anything. It's still a waitlist that they're pushing out slowly (not an open beta). Nice way to stay in the news though.

naillo4• 4 years ago

I wonder if they'll even make back what they spent on training the models before competitors of equal quality and lower cost eats up their margins.

seshagiric• 4 years ago

For those who want to try DALL.E but do not have access yet, this is good play site: https://www.craiyon.com/

Sohcahtoa82• 4 years ago

The name "OpenAI" to me implies being open-source.

I have an RTX 3080 and will likely be buying a 4090 when it comes out. Will I ever be able to generate these images locally, rather than having to use a paid service? I've done it with DALL-E Mini, but the images from that don't hold a candle to what DALL-E 2 produces.

ronsor• 4 years ago

I'm not sure if any current or next-generation GPU even has enough power to run DALL-E 2 locally.

Anyway, OpenAI is unlikely to release the model. The situation will like it is with GPT-3; however, it's also likely another team will attempt to duplicate OpenAI's work.

MrBra9• 4 years ago

Thanks to the amazing @lucidrains there's already an open-source implementation of DALL-E 2: https://github.com/lucidrains/DALLE2-pytorch and a pretrained model for it should be released within this year.

The same person is also at work on an open-source implementation of Google's Imagen which should be even better (and faster) than DALLE-2: https://github.com/lucidrains/imagen-pytorch.

This is possible because the original research papers behind DALLE-2 and Imagen were both publicly released.

whywhywhywhy4• 4 years ago

Their choice of name gets funnier every month.

kisero• 4 years ago

Since its research is free from financial obligations, OpenAI can better focus on a positive human impact.

Haha description of the company from Google

jazzyjackson3• 4 years ago

From what i've seen it's all about the VRAM

if you've got 60GB available to your GPU then maybe you can get close

I'm really curious if Apple's unified memory architecture is of benefit here, especially a few years from now if we can start getting 128/256GB of shared RAM on the SoC

MrBra9• 4 years ago

I was reading on Reddit that you would only need 12 GB of VRAM for DALL-E 2 to run on a local machine https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/w3sbt3/comment/ih01....

jameshart• 4 years ago

You should show up to the US Open with a tennis racket next year and see if they'll let you have a go, too.

doliveira• 4 years ago

Are you an AI as well? Because within the context of tech "Open" definitely has that connotation

neya• 4 years ago

I'm curious to know - does the community have any open source alternatives to DALL.E? For an initiative named OpenAI, keeping their source code and models closed behind a license is bullshit in my opinion.

minimaxir8• 4 years ago

The best open-source-but-actually-can-be-run-on-simple-infra analogous to DALL-E 2 is min-dalle: https://github.com/kuprel/min-dalle

MrBra9• 4 years ago

How is minDALL-E better than DALL-E mini?

I can run DALL-E mini with the MEGA model with 12 GB of VRAM. What are the requirements for minDALL-E in terms of VRAM?

arecurrence5• 4 years ago

LAION is working on open source alternatives. There's a lot of activity in their discord and they have amassed the necessary training data but I am uncertain as to whether they have obtained the funding needed to deliver fully trained models. Phil Wang created initial implementations of several papers including imagen and parti in his GitHub account. EG: https://github.com/lucidrains/DALLE2-pytorch

gwern4• 4 years ago

EAI/Emad/et al's 'Stable Diffusion' model will be coming out in the next month or so. I don't know if it will hit DALL-E 2 level but a lot of people will be using it based on the during-training samples they've been releasing on Twitter.

zone411• 4 years ago

I have some first-hand experience about how the copyright office views these works from creating an AI assistant to help me write these melodies: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLoCzMRqh5SkFwkumE578Y.... Here is a quote from the response from the Copyright Office email before I provided additional information about how they were created:

"To be copyrightable, a work must be fixed in a tangible form, must be of human origin, and must contain a minimal degree of creative expression"

So some employees there are aware of the impact that AI can have. Getting these DALL-E images copyrighted won't be trivial. I think it will be many years before the law is clarified.

nbzso• 4 years ago

Anything to end Corporate Memphis. Even, if we as illustrators will not have jobs or commissions. Let's hope that every creative human endeavour, painting, music, poetry will be replaced and removed from the commercial realm. Then maybe we will see artistic humanism instead of synthetic trans-humanistic "pop art".

Happily for me I stopped painting digitally long time ago. I even stopped calling myself "an artist". Nowadays I paint and draw only with real medium and call all of that "Archivist craftsmanship with analogue medium". :)

justinzollars• 4 years ago

I would love access to this in order to design Silver Rounds. If you work at open API please reach out!

can16358p2• 4 years ago

So can we now legally remove the "color blocks" watermark or not?

What about generating NFTs? It was explicitly prohibited during the previous period, now there is no notion of it. Without notion and rights for commercial use I think it's allowed but because it was an explicitly forbidden use case before, I want to be sure whether it can be used or not.

Regardless, excited to see what possibilities it opens.

gwern4• 4 years ago

Another user saying that OA has said it's OK to remove the watermark: https://www.reddit.com/r/dalle2/comments/w3qsxd/dalle_now_av...

The commercial use language appears pretty clear to me to allow NFTs. (But note the absence of any discussion of derivative works...)

peteforde3• 4 years ago

I have been having a blast with DALL-E, spending about an hour a day trying out wild combinations and cracking my friends up. I cannot imagine getting bored of it; it's like getting bored with visual stimulus, or art in general.

In fact, I've been glad to have a 50/day limit, because it helps me contain my hyperfocus instincts.

The information about new pricing is, to me as someone just enjoying making crazy imagines, a huge drag. It means that to do the same 50/day I'd be spending $300/month.

OpenAI: introduce a $20/month non-commercial plan for 50/day, and I'll be at the front of the line.

nsxwolf3• 4 years ago

I'm already bored of it. When you have everything, you have nothing.

danielvaughn• 4 years ago

I'm sure the novelty wears off. But I'm already coming up with several applications for it.

On the personal side, I've been getting into game development, but the biggest roadblock is creating concept art. I'm an artist but it takes a huge amount of time to get the ideas on paper. Using DALLE will be a massive benefit and will let me expedite that process.

It's important to note that this is not replacing my entire creative process. But it solves the issue I have, where I'm lying in bed imagining a scene in my mind, but don't have the time or energy to sketch it out myself.

peteforde3• 4 years ago

I don't know how to say this without sounding like a jerk, even if I bend over backwards to preface that this isn't my intent: this statement says more about your creativity and curiosity than a ceiling on how entertaining DALL-E can be to someone who could keep multiple instances busy, like grandma playing nine bingo cards at once.

Knowing that it will only get better - animation cannot be far behind - makes me feel genuinely excited to be alive.

muzani3• 4 years ago

I was actually forcing myself to go through the whole 50/day because I knew it wouldn't be free forever, and I wanted to get better at it. I'm glad I did, but I wish I did more.

ryanmercer4• 4 years ago

Same. I generated several thousand images and found it a chore, outside of the daily theme on the discord server, to try and even think of anything to query. It was also discouraging when sometimes you'd hit pure gold for 4-5 of the 6 images, then you'd be lucky to get 1 out of the 6 that was worth saving for several more queries. Now it's down to 4 images and... yeah...

I'm not going to try and profit from the images, I don't need them for any business uses or anything, so to me it was a fun for a while and now just something I'll largely put out of mind.

dave_sullivan3• 4 years ago

I think people don't realize how huge these models really are.

When they're free, it's pretty cool. But charge an amount where there's actual profit in the product? Suddenly seems very expensive and not economically viable for a lot of use cases.

We are still in the "you need a supercomputer" phase of these models for now. Something like DALLE mini is much more accessible but the results aren't good enough. Early early days.

TigeriusKirk• 4 years ago

What are the resources at work here?

What are the resources needed to train this model?

If someone just gave you the model for free, what resources would you need to use it to generate new results?

sinenomine2• 4 years ago

I think people don't realize how huge these models really are.

They really aren't that large by the contemporary scaling race standards. DALLE-2 has 3.5B parameters, which should fit on an old GPU like Nvidia RTX2080, especially if you optimize your model for inference [1][2] which is commonly done by ML engineers to minimize costs. With optimized model, your memory footprint is ~1 byte per parameter, and some less than 1 ratio (commonly ~0.2) of all parameters to store intermediate activations.

You should be able to run it on Apple M1/M2 with 16GB RAM via CoreML pretty fine, if an order of magnitude slower than on an A100.

Training isn't unreasonably costly as well: you can train a model given O(100k)$ which is less than a yearly salary of a mid-tier developer in silicon valley.

There is no reason these models shouldn't be trained cooperatively and run locally on our own machines. If someone is interested in cooperating with me on such a project, my email is in the profile.

1. https://arxiv.org/abs/2206.01861

2. https://pytorch.org/blog/introduction-to-quantization-on-pyt...

spaceman_20202• 4 years ago

How hard would it be to spin off a variant of this with more focused data models that cater to specific styles or art-types? Like say, a data model only for drawing animals. Or one only for creating new logos?

andreyk• 4 years ago

Check out Artbreeder, it is likewise a ton of fun!

Multimodal.art (https://multimodal.art/) is working on a free version of something like DALLE, though it's not that good as of yet.

Filligree• 4 years ago

MidJourney gives ~unlimited generation for $30/month, and is nearly as good. Unlike DALL-E it doesn't deliberately nerf face generation. I've been having a blast.

muzani3• 4 years ago

Both seem equally bad with face generation, but Midjourney works really well with famous people (e.g. Trump).

theAIartist• 4 years ago

It's pretty good at faces now. https://labs.openai.com/s/BAdAExWMdtyyC5VJVxXF5wdd

irrational• 4 years ago

Sounds kind of like scribblenauts. I would try the craziest things to see what it could come up with.

jnovek2• 4 years ago

My heart sank when I saw the pricing model.

I’ve been creating generative art since 2016 and I’ve been anxiously waiting for my invite. I wont be able to afford to generate the volume of images it takes to get good ones at this price point.

I can afford $20/mo for something like this but I just can’t swing $200 to $300 it realistically takes to get interesting art out of these CLIP-centric models.

Heck, the initial 50 images isn’t even enough to get the hang of how the model behaves.

blueboo• 4 years ago

If you’re technically inclined, I urge you to explore some newer Colabs being shared in this space. They offer vastly more configurable tools, work great for free on Google Colab, are straightforward to run on a local machine.

Meanwhile we should prepare ourselves for a future where the best generative models cost a lot more as these companies slice and dice the (huge) burgeoning market here.

wongarsu• 4 years ago

MidJourney is a good alternative. Maybe not quite as good as DALL-E, but close enough, without a waitlist and with hobby-friendly prices ($10/month for 200 images/month, or $30 for unlimited)

pkaye• 4 years ago

I'm sure the prices will go down each year as the computing costs go down.

nuclearsugar2• 4 years ago

FYI, each text prompt submission uses 1 credit and then renders out 4 images.

peab• 4 years ago

You can also try out wombo Dream - their newest version is similar to mid journey, and is unlimited

tough• 4 years ago

They have a form for discounted plans if you can't afford it, might be worth a try too

commandlinefan2• 4 years ago

trying out wild combinations and cracking my friends up

Wait until the next edition comes out where it automatically learns the sorts of things that crack you up and starts generating them without any input from you.

jamiek882• 4 years ago

Ai generated TikTok could be almost like wire jacking humans.

pjgalbraith3• 4 years ago

Yeah I've been having fun with it recreating bad Heavy Metal album art (https://twitter.com/P_Galbraith/status/1548597455138463744). It's good, but surprisingly difficult to direct it when you have a composition in mind. A few of these I burned through 20-30 prompts to get and I can't see myself forking up hundreds of dollars to roll the dice.

My brother is a digital artist and while excited at first he found it to be not all that useful. Mainly because it falls apart with complex prompts, especially when you have a few people or objects in a scene, or specific details you need represented, or a specific composition. You can do a lot with in-painting but it requires burning a lot of credits.

the_doctah• 4 years ago

In fact, I've been glad to have a 50/day limit, because it helps me contain my hyperfocus instincts.

This belongs on /r/linkedinlunatics

ukzuck• 4 years ago

Can anyone invite me for DALL E!

password321• 4 years ago

The worlds most expensive meme generator.

moron4hire• 4 years ago

How do you interface with DALL-E?

For MidJourney I was painfully surprised to find that everything is done through chat messages on a Discord server.

I'm not a paid member, so I have to enter my prompts in public channels. It's extremely easy to lose your own prompts in the rapidly flowing stream of prompts going on. I can kind of see why they did it that way--maybe, if I squint really hard--to try to promote visibility and community interaction, but it's just not happening. It's hard enough to find my own images, say nothing about follow what someone else is doing. This is literally the worst user experience I have ever had with a piece of software.

There are dozens of channels. It's so spammy, doing it through Discord. It's constantly pinging new notifications and I have to go through and manually mute each and every one of the channels. Then they open a few dozen more. Rinse. Repeat.

I understand paid users can have their own channels to generate images, but I really don't see the point in paying for it when, even subtracting the firehose of prompts and images, it's still an objectively shitty interface to have to do everything through Discord chat messages.

pjgalbraith3• 4 years ago

You use a web app to interface with it. Agree going from DALL-E 2 to Midjourney is pretty painful. Hopefully Midjourney create a web UI for it like OpenAI/Craiyon.

throwaway675309• 4 years ago

Yeah that's definitely one of the worst aspects of using midjourney, supposedly a API is coming but it doesn't look like it's going to be happening anytime soon.

I don't know who thought that discord would make a good GUI front end...

jowday2• 4 years ago

Sad to say I've been dissapointed in DALLE's performance since I got access to it a couple of weeks ago - I think mainly because it was hyped up as the holy grail of text2image ever since it was first announced.

For a long while whenever Midjourney or DALLE-mini or the other models underperformed or failed to match a prompt the common refrain seemed to be "ah, but these are just the smaller version of the real impressive text2image models - surely they'd perform better on this prompt". Honestly, I don't think it performs dramatically better than DALLE-mini or Midjourney - in some cases I even think DALLE-mini outperforms it for whatever reason. Maybe because of filtering applied by OpenAI?

What difference there is seems to be a difference in quality on queries that work well, not a capability to tackle more complex queries. If you try a sentence involving lots of relationships between objects in the scene, DALLE will still generate a mishmash of those objects - it'll just look like a slightly higher quality mishmash than from DALLE-mini. And on queries that it does seem to handle well, there's almost always something off with the scene if you spend more than a moment inspecting it. I think this is why there's such a plethora of stylized and abstract imagery in the examples of DALLE's capabilities - humans are much more forgiving of flaws in those images.

I don't think artists should be afraid of being replaced by text2image models anytime soon. That said, I have gotten access to other large text2image models that claim to outperform DALLE on several metrics, and my experience matched with that claim - images were more detailed and handled relationships in the scene better than DALLE does. So there's clearly a lot of room for improvement left in the space.

MWil• 4 years ago

I've been on the waitlist since April 16th. Would have loved to have played around with the alpha but now clearly my ability to experiment and learn to use the system to cut down on expenses is extremely limited.

isoprophlex2• 4 years ago

Wait until someone trains a model like this, for porn.

There seems to be a post-DALLE obscenity detector on openAI's tool, as so far I've found it to be entirely robust against deliberate typos designed to avoid simple 'bad word lists'. Ask it for a "pruple violon" and you get purple violins... you get the deal.

"Metastable" prompts that may or may not generate obscene (content with nudity, guns, violence as I've found) results sometimes shown non-obscene generations, and sometimes trigger a warning.

jowday2• 4 years ago

If I had to guess, I'd bet they have a supervised classifier trained to recognize bad content (violence, porn, etc) that they use to filter the generated images before passing them to the user, on top of the bad word lists.

isoprophlex2• 4 years ago

Exactly!

cmarschner• 4 years ago

Most likely they just take the one from bing. Or, if they trained a better one, it goes vice versa sooner or later

spread_love• 4 years ago

This is mentioned, "content filters" are "blocking images that violate our content policy — which does not allow users to generate violent, adult, or political content, among other categories" and they "limited DALL·E’s exposure to these concepts by removing the most explicit content from its training data."

jug• 4 years ago

I’ve thought about this and in fact porn generation sounds like a good thing?? It ensures that it’s victimless. Of course, there is a problem with generation of illegal (underage) porn but other than this, I think it could be helpful for this world.

ffggvv• 4 years ago

i wonder if you could say “person who looks 15 but is 18”

dx0342• 4 years ago

If all of the child porn industry switched to generated images they'd still be horrible people but many kids would be saved from having these pictures taken. So a commercial model should certainly ban it, but I don't think it's the biggest thing we have to worry about.

zionic• 4 years ago

Honestly that part pisses me off. Who cares if their AI "makes porn" or something "offensive".

fishtoaster• 4 years ago

I suspect it's more a business restriction than a moral one. If OpenAI allows people to make porn with these tools, people will make a ton of it. OpenAI will become known as "the company that makes the porn-generating AIs," not "the company that keeps pushing the boundaries of AI." Being known as the porn-ai company is bad for business, so they restrict it.

nsxwolf3• 4 years ago

The part I really don't understand the purpose of the threat "Further policy violations may lead to an automatic suspension of your account".

Why do that? Just refusing to run my query is sufficient. Who is harmed if I continue to bang my head against that wall?

alana3143• 4 years ago

I tried the term "cockeyed" and got a TOS violation notice

seydor2• 4 years ago

Porn is cheaper to make, and probably pleasant. But, fantasy porn is not. I can see it sparkling a revival of fantastic erotica

Al-Khwarizmi• 4 years ago

In beta, maybe, but I don't think "available" means what they think it means.

I have been on the waitlist from the very beginning. Still waiting.

Nevin1901• 4 years ago

I don't like how they're charging money for Dalle, yet they don't have an API available.

cm2012• 4 years ago

I really want access, wish there was a way to pay to get in.

hit8run• 4 years ago

It’s so dirty what Microsoft is doing here. They ripped the tech out of developers hands just to sell us drips of it. Drips that are not enough to build a product for more than a few people. They require to check on the use before launching etc. I truly hate this company, their shitty operating system and their monopoly business game. Everything they buy turns to shit. And don’t tell me about VSCode. It’s just a trap to fool developers.

blintz• 4 years ago

The content policy is strikingly puritanical:

"Do not attempt to create, upload, or share images that are not G-rated"

https://labs.openai.com/policies/content-policy

avidphantasm• 4 years ago

I like how everyone’s face is rendered by DALL-E to look either like a still from a David Lynch film, or have teeth and hair coming out of weird places.

Plough_Jogger• 4 years ago

Is this referring to the first version of the model, or DALL-E 2?

softwaredoug• 4 years ago

Surprised by the lack of comments on the ethics of DALL-E being trained on artists content whereas copilot threads are chock full of devs up in arms over models trained on open source code. Isn’t it the same thing?

anhncommenter25• 4 years ago

I recently talked with a concept artist about DALL-E and first thing they mentioned was "you know that's all stolen art, right?" Immediately made me think of GitHub Copilot.

However the artists being featured in DALL-E's newsletters can't stop gushing about 'the new instrument they are learning how to play' and other such metaphors that are meant to launder what's going on.

My theory is that the professions most at-risk for automation are acting on their anxieties. Must not be a lot of freelance artists on HN, and a whole lot of programmers.

I think the artists have an even clearer case. I don't think GitHub Copilot is ready to steal anyone's job yet. But DALL-E is poised to replace all formerly commissioned filler art for magazines, marketing sites, and blogs. Now the only point to hiring a human is to say you hired a human. Our filler art is farm-to-table.

scifibestfi3• 4 years ago

Where did they get the art from anyway? Do they have a list of sources anywhere?

trop• 4 years ago

Quite true. Best case, we're seeing DJ Spooky style culture jamming/remixing. But more likely it is as you write.

On the other hand, the market for stock photography was already decimated by the internet. Where previously skilled photographers would create libraries of images to exemplify various terms and sell these as stock, in the last decade or so, an art director with the aid of a search engine could rapidly produce similar results.

anhner2• 4 years ago

I first read the artist's reply as "you know all art is stolen, right" which made more sense to me. If you look at the history of art, you'd also know that it's true.

imdsm2• 4 years ago

Having used copilot for over a year now, it isn't there to replace programmers. It isn't called GitHub Pilot, and it doesn't do well with generating original ideas. Sure, if your job is to create sign up forms in HTML then sure, it'll do your job in a second, but if you're creating more complex systems, copilot is just there to help save you time when writing code (which is just implementing ideas).

Think of it like a set of powertools saving you time over manual tools.

jraph• 4 years ago

My theory is that the professions most at-risk for automation are acting on their anxieties

That's not my problem with Copilot. I think tools and methods that can free human from some amount of work are good in a correctly organized society. They have been existing for a long time, too. They let us free time for other stuff that can't be automated. This extra free time could theoretically let us have more leisure or rest time too. I also trust myself to be able to learn another job if mine can ever be automated.

But I don't want my work to be reused under terms I don't approve of. There are some things I don't want to help with my work and this is reflected in the licenses I choose. I totally sympathize with artists who don't want their work to be reused in ways they don't like. I don't find this hard to understand. I also don't find it hard to understand that if an artist do some work that you should pay for to use is not happy with their work being reused without being paid. They should get paid a tiny bit for each generated art if theirs is in the training set, and only if they approve this use. That's would be only fair, the set would not be possible without those artists.

(Good for me, my personal code is not on GitHub for other, older, reasons)

tekni5• 4 years ago

This entire concept of AI learning using copyrighted works is going to be really tested in courts at some point, perhaps very soon, if not already.

However if the result is adequately different, I don't see how it is different from someone viewing other's work and then being "inspired" and creating something new. If you think about it the vast majority of things are built on top of existing ideas.

WatchDog• 4 years ago

good artists borrow, great artists steal

orange83• 4 years ago

You are surprised that human beings react more strongly to things that more directly threaten them?

Gigachad2• 4 years ago

Of course. Because the majority of the tech bros on this site are self centered and think of arts as a lowly field deserving of no respect. While something slightly resembling some boilerplate lego code they wrote is a criminal act to learn from.

orange83• 4 years ago

If you really want to learn, visit github.com. There are over 200 million freely available, open source code repositories for you to study and learn from.

marcosdumay2• 4 years ago

Is it trained on unlicensed work gathered at random at the web?

(I really don't know, and I didn't find anything about it on their site.)

imdsm2• 4 years ago

In a way, it's no different than an artist walking through an art gallery then going home, inspired, to paint a dark portrait a la Rembrandt

lionkor• 4 years ago

It is bad. But:

As long as DALL-E isn't caught painting out a 1-to-1, reverse searchable copy of an image, its not really as bad as copilot, IMO.

The issue isnt just that copilot is trained on my GPL code, its that it might decide to copy paste lines from it, including my comments, etc.

darawk• 4 years ago

Why is this any worse than an art student learning to paint by looking at other painter's work?

bodge5000• 4 years ago

Surely being suprised by the lack of comments on the ethics of DALL-E on HN is the same as the lack of comments on the ethics of co-pilot on some artists forum. I highly doubt you're going to find r/artists or whatever up in arms about co-pilot, even if they are about DALL-E.

miohtama• 4 years ago

Another question related to ethics

Preventing harmful images: We’ve made our content filters more accurate so that they are more effective at blocking images that violate our content policy — which does not allow users to generate violent, adult, or political content

What is defined as political content? Can I prompt DALL-E to draw ”Fat Putin”?

macjohnmcc• 4 years ago

No. Just tried.

jfoster• 4 years ago

It feels like it would be good for this to not be a legal grey area. Whether it's considered a large copyright infringement conspiracy or a form of fair use, it would be good if the law reached a position on that sooner rather than later.

noahbradley• 4 years ago

There are a few of those discussions going on in artist's circles these days. I imagine they'll get sued for doing this, but it'll probably take a very famous artist or a hell of a class action suit to make it happen.

BeFlatXIII• 4 years ago

It's because the furor over AI replicating human artists already played out over earlier AI iterations. Remember when thisfursonadoesnotexist.com was flamed for stealing furry art? Turns out that many artists shared an extremely generic style that the AI could easily replicate.

ryanmercer4• 4 years ago

"DALL-E being trained on artists content"

Well, I can't go ask Caravaggio or Gentileschi to paint my query since they've been dead hundreds of years. But being able to to feed a query containing much more modern concepts in and get a baroque style painting in that specific style is wonderful.

Plus what has already been said about a lot of art being an imitation/derivation of previous works.

outsider7• 4 years ago

Amazing stuff (really fun)... can it solve climate change ?

mark_l_watson• 4 years ago

I tried DALLE once and liked the generated images. Not really my thing, but so cool.

What I do use is OpenAI’s GPT-3 APIs, I am a paying customer. Great tool!

samstave4• 4 years ago

Wonderful!

Also, I love how, while signing up for access to this amazing AI, I am asked to, indeed, affirm I am _not_ a robot.

williamcotton2• 4 years ago

I would like to point out that there is not as much of an uproar on this forum over DALL-E utilizing other people’s photographs, illustrations, et al, as there is around Copilot utilizing other people’s code.

Why do you think that is?

orange83• 4 years ago

- This is not a photography/illustration focused forum.

- Unlike software photography/illustration are not used to run essential systems like banking, manufacturing, medical equipment etc

williamcotton2• 4 years ago

While I have definitely seen discussions of safety from what I can gather the main point of contention is with copyright.

yunwal• 4 years ago

One reason is that copilot could be easily prompted to "create" line for line reproductions of people's code. AFAICT, you can't do this with DALLE (even if you, for example, try to input the caption of an image directly).

xzghfat• 4 years ago

i like it

seydor2• 4 years ago

What is the copyright situation of generated images?

pyuser583• 4 years ago

I know it’s a dumb question, but what am I supposed to do with this thing?

spaceman_20202• 4 years ago

This is going to completely obliterate the low end of the illustrator/graphic designer market. Anyone on Fiverr should be looking for new work.

Traubenfuchs• 4 years ago

Is there a comprehensive list of all the disgraceful censorship and model-neutering restrictions they put on DALL-E? It's sad to see that openai is so absolutely terrified of their models producing upsetting content and the bad press that would ensue, when they could just show everyone the finger and say: "It's just pretty pictures. Made up pictures. They aren't real and can't hurt you, so stop crying."

e.g. One is unable to create faces of real people in the public eye.

irthomasthomas• 4 years ago

DALLe was fun for a few days, but I'm already tired of it. Now the web is going to be flooded with it; I'm glad I don't use social media.

AndrianV• 4 years ago

Every day for the past week or so, I've spent an hour or so using DALL-E, making up new combos and making my pals laugh. In the same way that you can't get bored of art or visual stimulation, you can't get bored of this either.

bepero• 4 years ago

Some DALL·E Demos: https://www.aidemos.info/category/dall%c2%b7e-demos/

NicoleJO• 4 years ago

DALL-E 2 was trained on approximately 650 million COPYRIGHTED image-text pairs SCRAPED FROM THE INTERNET, according to the paper that OpenAI posted to ArXiv. https://cdn.openai.com/papers/dall-e-2.pdf

That includes YOURS.

Have you been paid for it?

srelbo• 4 years ago

AI art generation, completely free, no limits — https://art.elbo.ai

DALL·E now available in beta

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