iOS 17 is available today

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2023/09/ios-17-is-available-today/

by mfiguiere • 3 years ago

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baggy_trough• 3 years ago

Change list: https://www.apple.com/ios/ios-17/pdf/iOS_All_New_Features.pd...

ShadowBanThis018• 3 years ago

I wonder if it'll finally have notifications of missed calls, after 16 years.

Ugh, the responses are just depressingly ignorant for a tech site. The iPhone has NEVER had them: https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-...

pavlov• 3 years ago

They sell a convenient wrist monitor for missed calls.

ShadowBanThis018• 3 years ago

Ha! Let's call it just another dongle.

2023throwawayy• 3 years ago

What are you talking about. Of course it has missed call notifications. Always has.

ShadowBanThis018• 3 years ago

Nope. It has missed-TEXT notifications. After years of complaints about the lack of missed-call notifications, what does Apple do? Add them for TEXTS only. You can have them repeat up to 10 times.

Now go to the nearly-identical settings screen for Phone. NONE.

Here's a post about it. Older, but still true today: https://goldmanosi.blogspot.com/2012/06/will-apple-ever-fix-...

fkyoureadthedoc3• 3 years ago

Are you talking about some specific implementation that you want? Because I know when I miss a call on iOS...

Edit: they want the "Repeat Alerts" setting that "Messages" has but for "Phone" which is missing the option. Settings > Notifications > Messages > Customize Notifications > Repeat Alerts

pohl• 3 years ago

When hasn't it had a notification for a missed call, modulo whatever bug must be plaguing you?

sixstringtheory5• 3 years ago

I don’t get it; I receive notifications for missed calls.

babypuncher• 3 years ago

I've been using iPhones since 2010 and they have always had this feature.

ShadowBanThis018• 3 years ago

Really? Where do you set the number of repeats, then?

Here's what Apple added for missed TEXTS, but not for phone calls: https://i.imgur.com/nhCrOcL.png

If you can tell me where to find it for phone calls in iOS, I'll appreciate it.

johnklos• 3 years ago

What the heck. I'll give it a go.

rapsey• 3 years ago

There is only one thing I wish for. For it to stop butt wallpaper switching. The most retarded feature I have ever seen. I take the phone out of my pocket and I somehow switch wallpapers in the middle of it.

judge20202• 3 years ago

For me, the phone must be unlocked to even be able to see the list of wallpapers, and nothing of my clothing triggers capacitive touches on the screen.

drcongo2• 3 years ago

The only way this appears to be possible is holding it by the screen while removing it from the pocket. I just don't do that.

sixstringtheory5• 3 years ago

Yeah this is really annoying. I goes I had played around with it when it first came out and created some alternatives with focus modes. I recently stopped using my wallet-like case, so now my screen is exposed in my pocket, and I couldn’t figure out why it kept getting into a meeting focus mode and silencing all my incoming comms!

wlesieutre• 3 years ago

I haven't had this problem (since I don't keep my phone in a back pocket), but still agreed.

Having to long press anywhere on the screen and then swipe side-to-side between lock screens is weird. Just let me swipe sideways on the handle thing at the bottom like for swiping between apps.

Aside from that, my iOS 17 beta impressions are fine, I've been running it since dev betas on my iPad and since public betas on my phone. Only issue was the camera locking up and crashing once.

artursapek• 3 years ago

It even gets frozen in the transition to that stupid UI. I'll pick up my phone and it's all blurry and doesn't respond to touch. I am really hoping that's fixed.

bgs113• 3 years ago

Please reconsider your use of the r-word. It is offensive, and there are better ways to convey what you mean.

cybwraith• 3 years ago

Most important part of a major version phone OS update these days is which devices are no longer supported.

JimDabell• 3 years ago

The only devices it drops support for are the ones released in 2017 – the iPhone 8, iPhone 8 Plus, and iPhone X.

shepherdjerred2• 3 years ago

It supports the iPhone XS and XR, which are ~5 years old. Apple is better than most vendors about supporting old devices.

toxik• 3 years ago

5 years is absolutely pitiful when no meaningful hardware changes have occurred IMO. Apple being the best of a sad field is not really inspiring.

meristohm• 3 years ago

This longer-term support, while still not as long as I'd like it, I'd a big part of why I switched from Android for the device I mostly use. I still keep a few de-crapified/de-bloated Android phones for audiobooks, music files, and as a KDE Connect controller for a media PC, largely thanks to F-Droid, but the security updates on this hand-me-down iPhone give me some peace of mind.

If/when this XR dies or is no longer supported and another old-but-good gift phone is not in the works I'll probably look for a cheap-enough, good-enough Android and stop paying for Apple One. As I get older and the desire for novelty is replaced by the expectation of consistency and reliability for communication, information (a web browser), and a decent camera, I just want this device that I'm used to to keep working.

nlunbeck• 3 years ago

My spirits are a little crushed as an iPhone 8 owner. But I know my hardware can barely keep up as-is

gerwim• 3 years ago

Which is funny, because I own an iPad from 2018. Which has the A10 chip (which was used in the iPhone 7). Guess what, the iPhone does not get iOS 17 but the iPad does get iPadOS 17.

mikepurvis3• 3 years ago

For which Wikipedia seems to be consistently the best source.

In this case, it's XS and up: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IOS_17

Thankfully, older devices (like my iPhone 8) continue to receive security updates, which suits me just fine as none of the new features interest me.

s3p8• 3 years ago

Remember, this is a feature update. Security updates still get pushed to devices nearly 10 years old.

somsak23• 3 years ago

Do you think people are consistently keeping their phones for more than a decade? I get that anti-consumer vibe but this doesn't feel like a common use-case. Compare Apple to almost anyone and they stack up well.

nlawalker• 3 years ago

I don't usually opt into these early, but have been looking forward to AirTag sharing.

kstrauser4• 3 years ago

Oh thank heavens. That alone's worth the upgrade.

bombcar4• 3 years ago

It's so insane it wasn't a feature from the beginning, it's as if Apple didn't know people might live together and share things.

jedberg3• 3 years ago

To be fair, it's not really all that early if you're doing the public release. I've been on iOS17 for months as part of the beta, and I'm not even using the developer beta, just the public beta.

runjake4• 3 years ago

It was a rough public beta. Would suggest keeping this plan.

_rs• 3 years ago

Any anecdotes you can share? This is the first bit of warning I’ve seen for iOS 17 so far with most people saying it’s been smooth

oezi• 3 years ago

The most annoying new thing over the last few months for me was that my Android phone started giving privacy alerts for my physical key chain which has an AirTag which is registered to my wife (a present from her to me).

bombcar4• 3 years ago

I've had Apple alert me about my own AirTag, registered to me and I don't know how that happened.

chrisjc2• 3 years ago

Only potential problem (at least when I checked on the state of the beta) is that the person you share it with has to be on iOS 17 too. This was the reason I didn't bother with the beta (although it was the feature I needed asap) since the person I was going to share with wasn't going to use the beta.

gbil• 3 years ago

which doesn't seem to work if the other user doesn't have an apple device even if they have an apple id. Really lost opportunity here

turquoisevar5• 3 years ago

During the beta the 16 AirTag limit was still enforced with every shared AirTag counting towards it (and individual AirPods as well).

I’m glad to see that they’ve seemed to upped the limit or don’t count the shared AirTags against that limit anymore.

16 seems like a lot, but if you’re traveling with a couple of items you want to track and share with your party as backup, you start hitting it pretty fast.

wredue4• 3 years ago

The keyboard enhancements were very much needed. iOS no longer forcing me to delete 30 times before it finally lets my actually correct word stay is worth the update alone.

It does also seem to have grammar improvements, and doesn’t seem to be so happy to “correct, but actually make incorrect 5 words back” as the prior keyboard would frequently do after apple stopped giving you the option to stop that.

The beta before release had significant alarm issues with alarms definitely not going off. So I hope those are sorted out.

amluto• 3 years ago

I wonder if it will start understanding the difference between “its” and “it’s”

wredue4• 3 years ago

I’m not sure it’s got that correct. It’s okay. It’s got a brain of its own.

(I did not manually correct any of the above)

sixstringtheory5• 3 years ago

or “of” vs “if”, “in” vs “on”, “I” vs “o” (wtf? lol), and on and on

stephen_g• 3 years ago

“Were” and “we’re” is also an annoying one. Specifically “were”, it’s autocorrected to the other one six or seven times just trying to type this comment (iOS 16 here)

hotnfresh• 3 years ago

Oh my god, please yes. It acts like it thinks “its” is never correct (except when turning “it’d”, which, admittedly, is rather slangish, to “it’s”) with the result that it causes more harm than good. It’d be an improvement to simply make it ignore that pair of words and never try to correct either, versus the current behavior.

deepspace• 3 years ago

I would be happy if it stopped correcting "and" to "And" in the middle of a sentence.

chrisjc2• 3 years ago

We'll, I guess were just going to have to wait and see if its fixed.

But seriously! Typing is sooo bad on iOS, that it has almost made me move back to Android.

wintermutestwin• 3 years ago

I wonder if it will recognize "won't"

The big failure of Siri isn't the lack of AI, it is the lack of programming useful simple functionality.

groggo• 3 years ago

do you have more info on the keyboard improvements?

I got so annoyed with autocorrect that I turned if off entirely. But it's hard to type accurately without it :(

wredue4• 3 years ago

It’s just overall vastly improved. I understand that’s not really saying much since the iOS 16 keyboard, when compared to what’s out there, is essentially unusable.

I can’t remember the last time I said “fuck this stupid fucking keyboard”, whereas I said it with the iOS 16 keyboard every time I had to use it.

s3p8• 3 years ago

Autocorrect now uses a language model so it won't autocorrect 'fucking' to 'ducking' if it thinks that's how you speak. It learns slang / curse words now, whereas before you would have to manually go in and add a keyboard shortcut to override the autocorrect.

blakesterz• 3 years ago

  Multiple timers. Run several timers on iPhone simultaneously, perfect for when you’re cooking

and need to keep track of different steps and dishes.

Why was this so hard to implement? Or they just never felt like many people needed it? This has always seemed like a really basic missing feature. I'm surprised it took so long.

madeofpalk• 3 years ago

It's the perfect "bottom of the backlog" feature. I doubt there's a dedicated Clock app team.

rahkiin• 3 years ago

Probably not a priority or they could not prioritize designing the UX

wredue4• 3 years ago

Ah. So that feature is why my alarms randomly stopped working for part of the beta.

pseudosavant• 3 years ago

The iPad doesn't even have a native calculator app. The iOS calculator is not part of iPadOS. These kinds of 'basic features' can be really easy to ignore for the flashier stuff that people will potentially use less.

pornel• 3 years ago

Timers can be managed via Siri. I’d guess that difficulty of adding that to the barely-working assistant was a blocker.

denimnerd424• 3 years ago

I've been bit by adding timers via Siri so many times because I use the timer as a sleep timer for youtube music. So the next day I go to set a timer with siri and its set to "stop playing" which makes no sound and therefore the timer is next to useless. :( So now I just set timers manually but it nullifies Siri.

giantrobot2• 3 years ago

Siri always thinks I'm saying "fifteen" when I'm saying "fifty". It's annoying because one dish I make often bakes for fifty minutes. At least Siri understands when I say "five zero minutes". I sound like I'm calling in an artillery strike on my kitchen.

denimnerd424• 3 years ago

I wonder if they accommodated the issue where you use the timer to "stop playing" (like a sleep timer for Youtube Music) but then the next time you set a timer it's set to stop playing so it makes no noise if you forget to switch off of "stop playing" been bit a few times by that so i remember to switch but that's some pretty bad UX as it makes Siri useless for setting timers

K7PJP4• 3 years ago

Yes, it's now addressed.

In my view, it didn't make Siri useless for setting timers, it meant there was no universal sleep timer, as I refused to use the "Stop Playing" feature.

Willamin2• 3 years ago

This is such a welcome addition! I totally agree: it likely took all of 30 minutes to implement (plus testing, QA, etc time).

I'd love to see another Clock feature: let me choose a new timer/alarm sound _without_ immediately previewing the sound. At this point I know a handful of my favorites that I like to choose from, and I don't want to hear them at full alarm volume just because I'm changing the noise. A preview button trailing-aligned in the list would be perfect spot for a quick way to listen to an alarm sound.

And a related feature: include Alert Tones (ie Messages alert sounds) in addition to Ringtones as timer/alarm noises.

bdavbdav4• 3 years ago

Working on a very big but nowhere near as big or far reaching software project, even the most trivial changes take a long time end to end. The design review alone will have taken a long time at apple, without even starting to think about the technicals.

spike021• 3 years ago

It's weirder because the Apple Watch has been able to do it for a while now. I use it all the time.

ra72• 3 years ago

FaceTime now features an incredible connected experience with Apple TV 4K. To see friends and family on the big screen, users can use Continuity Camera to start a FaceTime call on iPhone and hand it off to Apple TV, or initiate the FaceTime call directly from their Apple TV. With Center Stage, users stay perfectly framed even as they move around the room.

I was really looking forward to making FaceTime calls on my Apple TV with my parents who live halfway across the world. But of course, they restrict it to only Apple TV 4K 2nd gen and above. What possible reasons could there be to not support this feature in the 1st gen hardware? Is it just a money grab?

theshrike792• 3 years ago

Usually there's something subtle about the hardware that's lacking. Maybe not for this particular version, but the next iteration of it that Apple has already planned.

In these cases they usually just gate the feature to the latest hardware versions.

jedberg3• 3 years ago

The main differences between those generations are the core CPU (the 2nd gen is an A12, the 1st is an A10) and the wifi 6 (vs 5 on the 1st gen).

Probably one (or both of those) aren't good enough to do what is necessary for the FaceTime.

xd1936• 3 years ago

The A10 came out in 2016... Facetime came out in 2010 on the iPhone 4, a device running iOS 4 on a an Apple A4 CPU and 2.4GHz-only 802.11n. Surely the A10 can handle making a call.

fkyoureadthedoc3• 3 years ago

And in my experience during the beta it was already pretty jank. Looking forward to trying it now that it may be fully polished.

giantrobot2• 3 years ago

What possible reasons could there be to not supporting this feature in the 1st gen hardware? Is it just a money grab?

This is almost always a limitation of the hardware. Keep in mind the AppleTV has really old SoCs compared to iPhones and iPads of similar vintage. The AppleTV 4k 1st edition has an A10X SoC while the 2nd edition has an A12. The A10 is the same CPU as the iPhone 7 but was sold up through 2021.

dwighttk2• 3 years ago

Probably requires a processor released less than a decade ago

ra72• 3 years ago

1st gen Apple TV 4K was released in 2017.

burlesona• 3 years ago

History with Apple is that it's a little bit the older hardware isn't quite powerful enough, and a little that Apple's bar is high. They might be able to make a version of this that was not quite as polished or not as good of framerate etc that did work with older hardware, but they won't bc that's now how Apple rolls.

Sometimes this feels like they're trying to force people onto newer hardware, but Apple also supports old hardware for a long time and regularly adds things to devices that are 3-4 years old, so... it's not actually that one-sided AFAICT.

bdavbdav4• 3 years ago

I’m willing to bet it’s both hardware video en/decoding (which is necessary for the near zero lag double jump) and the Wi-Fi chipset. If most people are running these things in a tv cabinet on Wi-Fi, both need to be pretty decent for the experience not to be disappointing

sashank_1509• 3 years ago

Should I upgrade? I don’t want to it to screw over my battery life, I really like my current battery life

ezfe• 3 years ago

If you don't want to upgrade on day one, it's totally fine to wait - but once 17.1 is available I would recommend everyone upgrades. Most issues will be fully resolved.

CodeWriter233• 3 years ago

Cool! Incoming calls => incoming dick pics

sixstringtheory5• 3 years ago

That’s only for known contacts. Maybe you need better friends?

CodeWriter233• 3 years ago

You only add friends to your contacts list?

evan_• 3 years ago

A new feature, Sensitive Content Warning, helps adult users avoid seeing unwanted nude images and videos.

It looks like there's now a feature you can enable that uses a classifier (I'm guessing?) to identify dick pics, and let you choose whether you want to see it or not. The last slide[0] in the last carousel on the linked page has an image of the dialog.

I bet that was an interesting team to work on.

edit: Obligatory Silicon Valley ref: pt1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACmydtFDTGs pt2: https://youtu.be/dvn-hpZdElo?t=28

[0]https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2023/09/ios-17-is-avai...

bombcar4• 3 years ago

Why is that so badly photoshopped on what appears to be an original iPhone?

s3p8• 3 years ago

They made it in 2021 if I remember correctly[1]. Was originally designed for children, but they're just now releasing it for general use.

[1] https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/10/22613225/apple-csam-scann...

shawnshah0099• 3 years ago

I have quick question. how can i revert the beta version ios17 to actual ?

bdcravens2• 3 years ago

I usually update right away, but unfortunately my insulin pump's app only supports some features on versions they've validated.

AceJohnny2• 3 years ago

That's scary in so many ways.

I assume you can operate the insulin pump without any app? Or do you depend on a functional smartphone on-hand?

Does the pump itself not have built-in safety features that the app shouldn't be a critical component?

bdcravens2• 3 years ago

No, the pump works perfectly fine without an app. At least one pump out there doesn't (the Omnipod), but in lieu of a smart phone, they give you a device (essentially a single-purpose Android)

The ability to bolus (administer insulin) from the app is fairly convenient, that's all. Since that's the biggest area of risk, that's the feature they disable until they've validated the OS version.

savoytruffle3• 3 years ago

Yeah, my dad is in the same situation. The companies that make this diabetes machinery will certify it for use pretty soon (probably) but not immediately.

Waterluvian2• 3 years ago

I just want it to unbreak the screenshot button combo.

Before ios16 it would always work. Now half the time it just makes a full screenshot and saves it without any UI feedback that it did anything. So I tap the buttons longer and get the pop-up for editing.

bullfightonmars• 3 years ago

Gosh, I would love to re-map that combo. My photo album fills up with accidental screenshots, which I pretty much _never_ want.

jdminhbg• 3 years ago

In case you don't know, there's a Screenshots smart album in Photos, and you could use that to relatively easily delete them all.

cassianoleal2• 3 years ago

Same. The combo made sense when power was on top of the phone. With it being just opposite of volume, it just means accidental screenshotting all the time. It's quite infuriating!

not_your_vase• 3 years ago

Oh, I would be also happy for fixing the bugs bothering me: once out of 10 times opening the smart-cover doesn't wake up my iPad (have to close and open again, or use the side button), and randomly I have to kill the email app because it fails syncing my mails. But such quality of life bugfixes rarely happen :( At least I have been waiting for these since years.

LRAD• 3 years ago

It's broken for me in the same way on iOS 16.

Waterluvian2• 3 years ago

Noooooooooooooooooooo. Completely unplayable.

CrzyLngPwd• 3 years ago

Hands up who read the ts&cs prior to installing clicking agree :-)

Etheryte2• 3 years ago

Did you read the terms and conditions of HN before commenting? :P

jiofj• 3 years ago

There are no terms and conditions here, afaik

bandyaboot• 3 years ago

Would really like to be able to have different personal “poster” images for different contacts. The friend trolling potential is immense.

haunter• 3 years ago

If you use dual SIM, you can set different ringtones per SIM and choose either SIM card to return a phone call from an unknown caller.

Probably the best change imo

jjice• 3 years ago

Genuinely curious: what's a use case for dual SIM? Different countries? Separation from personal and business? Something else?

heyjamesknight• 3 years ago

Super useful if you're an expat or travel between two countries often.

xNeil• 3 years ago

Yeah personal and business seems to be the best.

aaomidi• 3 years ago

Exactly the options you mentioned, + if you want to have a backup provider in case your primary is struggling somewhere.

I alternate between a Google Fi sim, and an AT&T business.

ta12432• 3 years ago

Those are two, also having different networks for different areas (if you have a good service on carrier 1 at one location and carrier 2 at another)

alistairSH• 3 years ago

Yes, both of those.

fancy_pantser• 3 years ago

In some locales, you want to do all of your internet use over one unlimited or high usage internet plan and handle SMS/calls over another carrier or plan. This is appealing for business users and regular people alike in some places that have high tariffs, highly asymmetrical usage limits, or other uneven plan limits that don't align with how you use your mobile device.

For example, I once had a lot of automated alerts sent by SMS to my phone for the early rollout of an IoT device I was working on. My regular unlimited voice and data plan was very cheap but only included a couple hundred SMS per month and I was going to blow past that during alpha testing, so I got a SIM from an MVNO with unlimited messaging for ~$5/mo and sent all the alerts to that number and had the company pay that bill, which was a nice way of isolating the expense as well.

It's also great if you are an international jewel thief and need a second line for taunting the Interpol agents hot on your trail without having to add them to your friends & family plan.

netvl• 3 years ago

I use one sim card for day-to-day life in the US, and another sim card from my home country to interact with digital services there, when needed.

theshrike792• 3 years ago

I currently have my personal and company SIMs. Data goes through the company one, calls through my own.

People who travel a lot usually have their "native" sim as the eSIM and just grab whatever prepaid they can get for the country they're travelling in. Easiest way to avoid insane roaming fees.

dagmx• 3 years ago

I do dual country. One for the US and one for Canada.

kioleanu• 3 years ago

Work number and personal number on the same device. I’ve friends that switched their number completely to their work number because of the lack of dual sim phones back in the day. That is just a poor decision all around. I know someone who had to negotiate a release of the phone number to him in the compensation package when they were let go

illiac7862• 3 years ago

Data privacy. one esim I use for all these websites requiring a phone number as 2FA or when it's unclear to me why they need a phone number. It's off all the time, unless I expect an SMS on it. It reduce how much my real phone number spreads and hopefully reduces the amount of phishing I get...

tamimio2• 3 years ago

I have one with almost unlimited data plan, other for my phone calls/texts.

dbbk3• 3 years ago

Different countries is an obvious one. I live in both Spain and the UK.

jesterson• 3 years ago

I have 4 SIM cards due to living in different countries. Sadly only 2 can be active at all times.

It also a diversification for telco shenanigans. Just to give an example, Singapore regulator just ordered telcos to stop accepting incoming SMS from entities not registered with local regulator. This affected a lot of overseas services OTP.

tamimio2• 3 years ago

I for one, my phone has been on the silent mode for the past 6-7 years, can’t remember last time my phone had a ringtone,

lotsofpulp2• 3 years ago

Some people needing a sound alert because they have time sensitive duties. For example, a daycare/school needs to reach a parent.

WA• 3 years ago

One thing missing (and has been for years): fine-tuned Contacts access control. Like the one for Photos.

Apps want to access contacts and it’s all or nothing right now. But Contacts also is quite integrated and is better if you fill in more details such as addresses and birthdates.

So an app requesting access gets everything if you grant it.

For Apple‘s pro-privacy stance, this oversight is quite painful.

lostlogin• 3 years ago

I notice that sharing a contact is now a bit more tactful and allows you to hide some info. Not an iOS 17 feature though.

judge20202• 3 years ago

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/contactsui/cnconta...

iOS 9.0+. The blunder is Apple not deprecating CNContactStore, but then many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list (e.g. knowing when a friend joins Snapchat)

Willamin2• 3 years ago

many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list

Too bad for those apps. They should be able to work whether I have 1000 contacts, 0 contacts, or any number in between.

If they want to have a cool feature like alerting me when a friend joins, they are more than welcome to persuade me to provide my full contacts list so I get the most out of a feature.

lxgr• 3 years ago

many apps really only work if they get your full contacts list (e.g. knowing when a friend joins Snapchat)

Offering a privacy-preserving alternative to that would be a huge iOS feature. It seems like Apple even already has most of the necessary pieces for that in place (e.g. the contacts app already knows whether my contacts have FaceTime enabled, Messages knows who has iMessage etc.)

nier• 3 years ago

I’m not sure what your feature request exactly is but I guess it’s one of the following:

- Access to all contacts

- Access to selected contacts

Additionally, for any of the two options above:

- Access to all details

- Access to selected details (e.g. phone, email)

Lastly:

- Access to all labels

- Access to selected labels (e.g. home, work)

So, finally, all Germans will be able to sleep at night knowing that they gave WhatsApp only permission to access their friends’ non-work phone numbers and nothing else.

LOL

asimops• 3 years ago

Good germans have a business phone, so they can justify to be reachable 24/7! Obviously, the companys data protection office will prevent WhatsApp on the business phone, so no work phone numbers were at risk!

lancesells• 3 years ago

In conjunction, I would love the ability to have a flag that tells anyone that adds me to their Contacts in iOS to not give my info to any apps. Basically, take me off the share list.

I'm not saying the end-user shouldn't be able to ignore this, but as part of these controls that would be great. I don't need or want a shadow-profile on Clubhouse or anything else.

highwaylights• 3 years ago

This seems like something that would need state-level legislation to get done, but I don't see who'd cough up the money you'd need to buy the politicians necessary to make this happen though.

npunt• 3 years ago

Absolutely. I'd add that we also need a privacy-preserving way to see that contacts have accounts on a given social app (aka contact matching).

A standard pattern for social apps is to ask for access to your contacts to see if anyone you know is on their app. This is important to creating a healthy and diverse ecosystem of social software, because these apps are really up against the natural network effects of existing offerings.

Contact matching is the best shot app creators have at bootstrapping new social offerings, but right now the experience sucks. Just to see if you like a new social app you have to either a) give up lots of private data in perpetuity to an entity you don't know, or b) have a subpar experience of manually finding people.

One solution may be for Apple to offer an API that helps social apps match users. Apple acts as the escrow system to match contacts so that the apps never have access to private contact data, and the apps just get notice when there's a new contact match to offer the user.

On the user side, the user has a simple privacy setting that says 'find matches once' or 'always look for new matches when app is open'. Users may also toggle whether they wish to be discoverable by others.

In a world with this feature, we get to try new social apps without concern, and apps only have access to an anonymized user ID for our contacts that are also using the app.

s3p8• 3 years ago

Hopefully Apple listens and implements something like this. They've already shown that they'll bend to their users even if it means screwing over developers and other large companies. App tracking transparency and precision location [1] come to mind.

[1] https://9to5mac.com/2020/08/12/ios-14-precise-location/

diebeforei485• 3 years ago

Much simpler would simply be the ability to exclude certain contacts (your doctor, therapist, or teacher etc).

Additionally, it would be great to not share metadata about contacts (ie, don't share that I have this person listed as my sister).

It's quite difficult to have a privacy preserving API system that's on-device because people could pre-compute a rainbow table (phone numbers are only 10-ish digits long). If the API is provided by Apple using their servers, this might work.

alexwasserman• 3 years ago

Write but not read in cases like this and calendar would be nice too, or limiting read/write to the apps own entries.

If I book an event let an app save it and read it’s own data, but not every event ever.

chunkyguy• 3 years ago

I miss no access control for speaker. There is global default. I turn on speakers for one music app and at next launch another social media app plays their ads on full volume.

1980phipsi• 3 years ago

Does this update actually fix music/podcasting app skipping?

givinguflac4• 3 years ago

Nope. I’m pretty sure it’s an Apple Music/podcasts server side bug, as I’ve had it happen across numerous iOS/ipados updates and devices including Sonos and Bluetooth. It’s so annoying and sounds like it’s barely skipping a beat but it’s noticeable frequently for me.

steve1977• 3 years ago

Do you have lossless enabled? If so, try disabling it and see if it still happens (yes, it’s sad…)

ProfessorLayton2• 3 years ago

How I wish Apple's core apps weren't tied to the OS. Apple Music needs a ground up redesign so badly. It's not quite as bad as it used to be, but it's such a core part of the iOS experience, and it really feels like they put in the minimum they could get away with.

Just look at this: https://www.apple.com/v/ios/ios-17/a/images/overview/music/p...

klysm• 3 years ago

Look at all that * space *

dbbk3• 3 years ago

I thought that screenshot was a joke

ganteth• 3 years ago

It’s so inefficiently designed. Wasted space on oversized album artwork or (even worse) generic playlist covers. High friction to resume listening/browse by recency. Lazy loading everywhere, slow load times. Cluttered menu drawers.

The only thing it has going for it is general ecosystem integration (and lossless), which still is the deciding factor for me unfortunately, despite the qualms above.

denimnerd424• 3 years ago

I've thought it surprising they don't put more effort into the core apps and don't remove them from the iOS upgrade cycle. They could really leverage the iCloud subscription to turn it into a money maker.

slowmovintarget3• 3 years ago

The definition of "good" is whatever makes the most money, not what makes the best user experience.

guestbest3• 3 years ago

It’s purposely neglected to push ads for Apples own subscription services. The App Store used to be a lot better to browse as well

s3p8• 3 years ago

Why would Apple intentionally worsen the experience of Apple Music and then advertise people to sign up for that very same platform? What does that accomplish?

hiidrew• 3 years ago

I wish we had more control over default apps in general. Similar to the settings for email, browser, calendar, etc.

basisword• 3 years ago

What are your issues with it? For me it’s still 100x better than Spotify’s last 3 redesign disasters. And the integration with my own library of bootlegs and bandcamp purchases is brilliant. I have no UI issues with it, but they could spend a bit more time on QA. It’s a bit too buggy from time to time.

ProfessorLayton2• 3 years ago

Being better than Spotify is an incredibly low bar, and not really what I was comparing against. The iOS music player was very pleasant to use before they haphazardly added Apple Music to it.

As you mentioned, it's full of bugs. Bugs happen, but they seem to have gotten out of control lately.

Top issues:

- 3/5 tabs use lazy load and anything less than great cellular/wifi means waiting to see anything.

- Speaking of cell/wifi, it really shows that this app was designed in a lab under perfect conditions. Music just... stops if the connection is weak when streaming. Was it another bug? My airpods? My car's bluetooth? Who knows, and who needs feedback anyway.

- Listen now tab can show a grand total of one (!!) full item before needing to scroll. On my phone with 1,483,776 pixels. It's also sorted in an arbitrary order that I cannot change.

- The Browse and Radio tabs are not at all personalized to me, so I don't have much to say about them and are mainly ignored.

- My library tab, my mainly used tab, is littered with album views of "Recently Added" in favor of adding a bunch of taps to things I actually want to listen to (Playlists> Playlist Name> Song/Play button) requires 3 taps.

- The album view in Recently Added makes no sense outside of downloading complete albums, which seems exceedingly rare. The music topping the charts is a bunch of singles and maybe EPs, not full albums. Even if one is not into pop music, adding music from a newly discovered artist, it's probably not a full album, rather a song or maybe a few tops. On top of this, it requires two taps or a long hold gesture to play it!

- Search is weirdly segmented for no reason, and is a step backwards from what Apple already solved with Spotlight. I always want results from my music first, and Apple Music second. A "no results" screen is useless for me, just show me Apple Music results, don't add yet another tap. Oh and search has Browse categories of course.

I could go on for a lot longer, but these issues grate me every day. Everything just requires too many taps or scrolling to get what I want.

jwalton2• 3 years ago

I’m not an Apple Music subscriber. The other day I was in the car and my daughter wanted to hear a particular song, so I asked Siri to play it (since I knew it was on my phone, I didn’t think this would be a difficult thing for Siri to do). Siri instead announced it was signing me up for a 10 day preview of Apple Music and then tried to stream the song. :/

andelink3• 3 years ago

I love Apple Music. I like the UI too.

But I also bought the Marvis Pro iOS app. It’s like $10 or something. It’s fantastic and the developer is incredibly active/responsive online. Worth checking out if you’re unfamiliar

Detrytus• 3 years ago

How do they define "today"? Because I've been running iOS 17 since last week.

EDIT: Seriously, I got notified about the update the day they premiered iPhone 15, I thought that's their standard operating procedure to release software on the same day as hardware. Reading about iOS release today was really confusing.

Is there any "early access" program that I could have unconsciously signed up to, so that's why I did receive it early?

s3p8• 3 years ago

Today is for the public, but you and the beta testers would have been able to upgrade since the summer.

fkyoureadthedoc3• 3 years ago

I think the confusion is that people that have opted into beta updates got full non-beta iOS17 a few days ago.

mucholove• 3 years ago

Slightly off topic: Does anybody know how to remove something from AutoSuggestion?

It's been more than a year—and every time I type "Good night" it still suggests my ex-girlfriend.

ARGHHHH

sixstringtheory5• 3 years ago

I wonder if you add a text expansion for "good night" expanding to "good night" again if it fixes it?

beaugunderson• 3 years ago

this is also a good trick for swear words! unsure if it will still be needed on 17 but fuck=fuck will stop iOS from autocorrecting it to duck

Ephil012• 3 years ago

You can try going to Settings > General > Reset then tap "Reset Keyboard Dictionary". I think this wipes everything iOS has stored about your typing habits so it should hopefully fix the issue

jamiepenney• 3 years ago

I must have entered my wife's name in lower case at some point, because it autocompletes everyone else's names with a capital but leaves hers lower cased.

latchkey• 3 years ago

Best feature: automatically delete verification txt messages after use!

kstrauser4• 3 years ago

And emails, too!

sillywalk2• 3 years ago

Ipados still doesn't have a bleeping calculator.

I just want a toggle for the flat UX so I can know what items are interactive.

threatofrain2• 3 years ago

If Apple Vision Pro or just the whole VR & friends industry takes off, then we're gonna see a resurgence of z-depth all over the place, and perhaps even a small return to skeuomorphism.

mabedan• 3 years ago

Turn on “button shapes” in accessibility

sillywalk2• 3 years ago

Thanks, that's a bit better. How long has that been around?

I've done the increased contrast for a few releases.

dzonga• 3 years ago

funny enough the journal apps / notes apps that live inside people's computers / phones are useless for future generations or ya kids.

when you die and no one knows your password what happens ?

whereas a notebook - people can easily read or try to if your handwriting isn't legible.

the notebook will remain the same 200 years from now. if humans can still read handwriting.

sometimes no-tech is the best tech.

savoytruffle3• 3 years ago

The "Journal" app is not in this immediate release.

foogazi2• 3 years ago

when you die and no one knows your password what happens ?

iOS 17 has a Legacy contact option for death scenario

Don’t know if it’s new but I was just prompted for it

Martinussen• 3 years ago

As a counterpoint, it takes a lot less effort to keep a file preserved. A fire-and-flood-proof document storage solution would certainly be a lot more work for me than setting my google/govt. data up so people in my life get access to what they need.

hellotheretoday• 3 years ago

Is that necessarily a bad thing?

A notebook isn’t nearly as meticulous as every semi anonymous post I’ve ever made to Reddit or discord or whatever, plus my meme image collection, my browsing history, etc

Why should my kids and future generations get access to my shameful secrets just because I’m dead? If i wanted that information hidden, shouldn’t it stay that way?

To that end I suppose it’s just the philosophical argument of “is it shitty to read someone’s diary after they die?” but with the stakes increased a bit due to the nature of greatly increased data collection

supertrope• 3 years ago

Some writers burn their manuscripts. Phone calls generally aren't recorded. There is historical value to VIPs leaving behind diaries in which they discuss their thoughts and feelings around important events.

turquoisevar5• 3 years ago

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT212360

pleb_nz• 3 years ago

Can I run Firefox nightly with addons on iOS?

rscrawfo• 3 years ago

Not right now. I believe there was an article recently saying custom browser may soon be allowed on iOS, but nothing right now.

consoomer• 3 years ago

I finally did it... I kept an iPhone long enough to not be able to upgrade. Looks like iPhone 8 doesn't get iOS 17. I guess I won't be bothered with update nags anymore.

nebula8804• 3 years ago

Since iPhone 8 started on iOS 11 thats pretty darn good.

It funny, I remember the ad and what was going through my life more than the phone itself. I don't know how apple ads seems to do that to me. I can say that for a lot of their ads.

Even now im looking back and loving that Champagne Gold color with the creme white back. It evokes thoughts of the flavors white chocolate and champagne cola. Two things I love. All of this in a phone that was an afterthought (since Apple launched the iPhone X at the same conference).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0py91Y0bLo

Making half decent products could get you to 1 trillion dollars market cap but making ads that cause desire is how you get to 2 trillion I guess.

thiht3• 3 years ago

Very disappointing so far. I was excited by some changes and nothing seems to work:

- groceries lists in reminders should create automatic sections, it doesn’t work

- photos should automatically detect pets, it doesn’t work

- hey siri was supposed to become just Siri, it doesn’t work (maybe it’s English only?)

At least sharing AirTags works.

Edit: the custom contact picture doesn’t appear to work either…

jshier• 3 years ago

For the photos it'll likely take a little while for the service to rescan all your photos for the newly recognized items. Leave your device plugged in for best performance there.

thiht3• 3 years ago

Good to know, thanks

K7PJP4• 3 years ago

groceries lists in reminders should create automatic sections, it doesn’t work

This took a short time to kick in for me after I updated. Make sure the list is set as a "Groceries" list type, and try adding something to the list.

thiht3• 3 years ago

It’s indeed working now. This is exactly what I did previously (3 times precisely), but now it works. Maybe the update doesn’t actually update everything, just the bare minimum and completes the rest in background.

dzhiurgis2• 3 years ago

“Siri” works if you change to UK or US language

turquoisevar5• 3 years ago

Groceries will take a little bit to generate a ML model and even then it’ll get better over time as it learns more niche stuff based on where you place it.

Pet detection requires a bit more time as it builds the ML model and crawls through your photos, progress towards that is typically only done overnight while it’s on the charger.

Siri trigger word is English only (Australia, Canada, UK and US).

jshaqaw• 3 years ago

They aren’t even trying to innovate anymore.

gorenb• 3 years ago

Wow. That’s quite exciting.

callalex3• 3 years ago

I’m never doing a manual upgrade again, it took a full hour for my iPhone 11 Pro to install this update. That seems insanely slow for the amount of data that needs copying, and my flash storage is half empty so it should be quite speedy still!

turquoisevar5• 3 years ago

There are multiple factors that go into this.

Main one on release day being load balancing on the servers.

It also doesn’t help that major releases are typically done by downloading the full image instead of your typical delta update.

Add onto that the process where it creates a compressed backup of your current version for rollback purposes and the verification process to check that your download didn’t end up corrupted and it’ll keep your iPhone busy for a while.

nunez2• 3 years ago

This is one of the best iOS updates in years. There are so many great quality of life features and improvements in this release!

illiac7862• 3 years ago

could you list the ones you are thinking of?

nunez2• 3 years ago

Sure!

- Automatically deleting text-based and email-based 2FA codes

- Adaptive Transparency with AirPods Pro 2

- Live Voicemail. This one's huge. You can hear and read the VMs that people are leaving and use that context to decide whether to accept or ignore their call. Android's had this for a while; glad to see it in iOS.

There are others, but I can't think of them right now.

gigatexal2• 3 years ago

Upgraded yesterday. I’m loving the improvements to the keyboard. The autocorrection is a lot, lot better. And I never get ducking now when I’m trying to write something else.

But the real new shift is resizable windows and such on ipadOS 17 and watchOS 10 looks really nice on my series 7.

mindracer• 3 years ago

The keyboard is a huge improvement, much more accurate and easy to use

maybevain• 3 years ago

And yet I still can not get any of the more "advanced" features (like predictive text) for my native language keyboard.

It's been, what, at least five years(?) since predictive text was launched. I never expected to be the first to be supported, but starting to feel a bit ridiculous when some languages with a few tens of percents more speakers have had support from nearly the start.

Meanwhile third party keyboards have had support for ages. I'd rather use the stock keyboard, but can't bear it in its current state.

Corrado• 3 years ago

That’s great news and maybe the only reason I might upgrade. Ever since I went back to an iPhone I’ve had trouble with typing. I don’t know why but the Android keyboard was always much more accurate.

threesevenths• 3 years ago

Ha! I purposely change those words (duck, ducking, ducker etc) to sound less harsh. Still gets the point across to most people.

DieBruderBauer• 3 years ago

Really having fun with the contacts poster as I try to complete all of my close friend's pictures.

iamsanteri2• 3 years ago

As an owner of iPhone X, I don‘t feel like I‘m missing out. Maybe will get the 15 directly in a year or two.

bowsamic• 3 years ago

Yeah my iPhone X is still doing amazingly. I should probably get a new battery at some point I guess but other than that I have literally zero complaints

taken2000• 3 years ago

Yeah, everyone has different needs :)

emodendroket• 3 years ago

The longer you wait the more impressive the performance boost is once you do upgrade.

hinkley5• 3 years ago

The 15 is .4 mm thicker and 7 grams heavier than the 12. That’s a bit disappointing.

Also still no touchID buttons from the iPad and iPad mini. Booo.

uxp8u61q• 3 years ago

The 15 is .4 mm thicker and 7 grams heavier than the 12. That’s a bit disappointing.

I sincerely cannot tell if that's satire or not.

tsunamifury• 3 years ago

Carriers tend to burn off the previous gen pros for nearly free in the week after the next gen pros are announced. For myself a free 14 pro from an X.

cloudwalking2• 3 years ago

FaceID, camera, 120hz display are significantly good upgrades.

wingerlang• 3 years ago

iPhone X was the phone that introduced FaceID

yowzadave2• 3 years ago

Yeah, I have an iPhone 11 Pro, which still works perfectly well—good battery life, good performance, etc. It really puts to rest those complaints everyone used to make about "forced obsolescence."

bdavbdav4• 3 years ago

I’ve just had to go back to my 11 pro after my 14 pro met its end. It’s absolutely fine, apart from the broken FaceID sensor, which is driving me nuts (using 1Password without it is irritating as anything. )

kome• 3 years ago

It seems like telegram has been implemented to ios; now you can reply to messages and read the unread ones (wow!), and you have stickers. ok!

muzani4• 3 years ago

but I want stickers for HN

avtar2• 3 years ago

Still no phone and SMS anti-spam features :/ I would have thought Apple would add something similar to Android's speech to text transcription feature or anything more compelling than the current user experience.

wfme• 3 years ago

Live voicemail with Silence Unknown Callers turned on looks to be exactly what you're describing. The second item on the page under Live Voicemail.

jackvalentine• 3 years ago

They have this, send a call to voicemail and see a transcription come in https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT213877

vampirical• 3 years ago

I’ll second what my sibling poster said but also…

From my perspective iOS already has pretty good call/text blocking. Are you sure you know all the existing features?

For calling, there’s a built-in contacts only mode behind a single opt-in switch, this is what I use. There’s also a privacy preserving app system that allows you to install third party apps which provide block lists and labeling to the phone app.

Messages is similar, except with unknowns being put in a separate list and an older and simpler static block list, though it does also support reporting the message as junk which presumably means all iOS devices have a bit of a shared message spam filter.

eloisius2• 3 years ago

The problem I have with these is that unknown but wanted senders get squelched with the spam. I get MFA tokens via SMS from assorted random numbers, or worse calls from them (looking at you Citibank).

matsemann2• 3 years ago

People want to be called from unknown numbers from time to time. A pizza delivery being outside, my doctor with test results etc. Blocking everyone but contacts is in the realm of "you're holding it wrong" kinda excuse.

Messages going to a different list helps little when iMessage is full of 0-day exploits that happen as soon as your phone receive the message.

moooo992• 3 years ago

Is this feature globally available? Because I receive an embarrassing amount of spam calls and never had a single of them blocked. The same goes for SMS.

avtar2• 3 years ago

From my perspective iOS already has pretty good call/text blocking. Are you sure you know all the existing features?

For context I'm comparing what's in place in iOS with what Android has had for at least a couple releases. With that familiarity, iOS's anti-spam features appear rudimentary at best.

For calling, there’s a built-in contacts only mode behind a single opt-in switch

Contacts-only incoming calls and texts is a clunky design. Businesses (doctors offices, delivery services come to mind) frequently use random 1-800 numbers for their outgoing calls. Having those _and_ spam clutter up one's voicemail is far from ideal; the expectation is that the user will spend their time going through voicemail and delete spam. Live voicemail is definitely an improvement but even if I choose to block an incoming spam call, the voicemail is still left on my phone. Android lets one end the call as soon as spam is detected and there's no action needed after the fact.

There’s also a privacy preserving app system that allows you to install third party apps which provide block lists and labeling to the phone app.

This is what I was referring to in my original post. On Android suspected spam calls and texts are labelled as such by default. Why does Apple expect users to install third party apps for this? It should at least be an opt-in feature that ships as part of iOS.

jamesrom• 3 years ago

You can report SMS spam from the Messages app.

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/iphone/iph203ab0be4/io...

shortcake273• 3 years ago

This is only for iMessage, it states SMS spam reporting is carrier dependent (I have no option to report SMS spam), and Apple isn’t filtering SMS spam

Terretta• 3 years ago

Not everything has to be built in if the APIs are available:

https://www.hiya.com/products/app

iamsanteri2• 3 years ago

Are you able to export data from that journal feature in some widely accessible format?

kaba02• 3 years ago

Not sure about the journal, but the rest of the Health app allows export to XML (also, it is a GDPR requirement as well), so I would assume the same will be true of journal as well.

tosh• 3 years ago

Does Airdrop now send via the internet if the local connection drops?

pretext-1• 3 years ago

That comes later this year.

quyleanh• 3 years ago

iOS 17 is compatible with these devices.

iPhone 15 iPhone 15 Plus iPhone 15 Pro iPhone 15 Pro Max iPhone 14 iPhone 14 Plus iPhone 14 Pro iPhone 14 Pro Max iPhone 13 iPhone 13 mini iPhone 13 Pro iPhone 13 Pro Max iPhone 12 iPhone 12 mini iPhone 12 Pro iPhone 12 Pro Max iPhone 11 iPhone 11 Pro iPhone 11 Pro Max iPhone XS iPhone XS Max iPhone XR iPhone SE (2nd generation or later)

Still having good support right?

Btw, I feel like Apple is gradually improving small thing in their built-in apps base on other 3rd-party alternatives' advantages. It's good for Apple ecosystem and its users.

threeseed4• 3 years ago

XS was released in 2018. So 5 years support so far.

And they are investing in their core apps because the code base is increasingly shared between iPhone, iPad, Mac, Watch and soon to be Vision Pro. Apps that aren't tend not to get as much love.

sambazi2• 3 years ago

kinda mad that there still is no upgrade path for my 1st-gen se that will let me have a phone at around 100g

kaba02• 3 years ago

There is a 2nd and 3rd gen one you could get used for dirt cheap. Hardware-wise there was a huge improvement in that time.

AlexanderDhoore• 3 years ago

I don't intend this as criticism at all, but it's quite amusing how routine iOS updates and new iPhone releases have become. I recall being in high school when the first iPhone was introduced, and the sheer novelty of smartphones was awe-inspiring. Nowadays, they've become so commonplace that I find myself getting more enthusiastic about new additions to the Python standard library!

jojobas• 3 years ago

Almost as if there are now more decent smartphone manufacturers that one can bother to remember, let alone models.

yen223• 3 years ago

I recently rewatched the original keynote where Steve Jobs first announced the iPhone. The thing that struck me was how wild the crowd went when he demoed pinch-to-zoom, something which we basically take for granted nowadays.

benoliver999• 3 years ago

Anything multi-touch at that point was pretty impressive. Up until then touch screens had been single finger only, and often resistive.

hinkley5• 3 years ago

It killed the segregated internet for phones. They just figured out how to display normal web pages. And the double tap to zoom in on a column was a pretty big feature too.

I kept waiting for the Apple Watch to have its iPhone 3GS moment, where they came out with one noticeably thinner and with the same or better battery life. But it never came. Is anything they’re a tiny bit taller than the original. Instead they went with a smaller and larger version which is not quite the same.

I still struggle with keeping it on while doing anything that requires work gloves. Make it thinner already.

muzani4• 3 years ago

I remember the era. We had to double click or basically press a zoom button. It was still so bad even with zoom that my first job ended up making mobile/responsive sites because nobody wanted to zoom in and out all the time.

matsemann2• 3 years ago

And even though iOS/MacOS updates happen frequently and bring little new each time, they still manage to break lots of stuff each time.

Like how many devs need to recompile their old apps to keep them "compatible", or how the network stack keeps changing destroying our VPN and stuff, or how even programs like Office sometimes won't work.

muzani4• 3 years ago

Android 14 isn't much better: https://developer.android.com/about/versions/14/features

Grammatical inflection is interesting, though. I'd prefer formality over gendered though, like the difference between du and Sie in German.

input_sh• 3 years ago

Android "peaked" around v8, maybe v9. Up until then, jumping from one version to the next one really felt worthy of a new major release.

10-13 (haven't used v14 yet) were all just completely forgettable (mostly UI changes, no significant new feature).

lemming• 3 years ago

I really wish all the voice dictation/transcription had better language support. I'd really like to be able to say "Send a message to <my wife> in Spanish" and have it use Spanish dictation, and similarly to say "Read the last message in Spanish" when I'm using CarPlay. Perhaps at some point soon it will just get good enough that it'll detect which language is being used automatically, but right now it's pretty annoying for dual-language households.

yunohn3• 3 years ago

Most of Big Tech is sleeping on multilingual support, purely because the USA is still their primary revenue stream.

Someday, they’ll start focusing on the rest of the world and we’ll see real advancements in this space…

vinay_ys• 3 years ago

Most of USA doesn't speak English as their first language, isn't it?

pjmlp4• 3 years ago

To this day I never bothered with speech reckognition, I am not going to talk to my devices in english, and understanding Portuguese, Spanish and German, never really works.

moooo992• 3 years ago

But I’m surprised they’re still sleeping in this considering Apple expects it’s highest growth markets to be outside the English speaking part of the world

joshspankit• 3 years ago

I think it’s less about revenue stream and more about dev’s languages. There are many tech companies who’s primary revenue stream is China, for example, but in those cases they still don’t need multilingual support nor even devs who speak Chinese.

sinuhe692• 3 years ago

Yeah. And the keyboard support for multi-languages is horrible, too. The prediction is nowadays so bad, I have to tiền it off or must use a single language only. Alone the notion that it should predict words in a different language than the current setting is baffling for me.

cassianoleal2• 3 years ago

The prediction is nowadays so bad, I have to tiền it off

This is great! I assume prediction gone wrong on "tiền". :)

It matches my experience as well, to the point that I also have it turned off.

mantas• 3 years ago

Overall smaller languages is abysmal. Microsoft translated Windows to my native language decades ago. MacOS still not translated. Nor iPhone. While Android phones come with translation out-of-box for most manufacturers UIs.

wtcactus• 3 years ago

I notice Siri still continues to be some embarrassing afterthought for Apple.

At least to non-native English speakers, Siri is really atrocious. Most of the time, it doesn't even get the simplest queries right.

threeseed4• 3 years ago

Based on the comments here [1] Siri is on old, hard to maintain codebase.

Which means Apple is likely going to just replace it entirely with a new LLM based system which we know they are working on.

[1] https://www.macrumors.com/2023/03/15/apple-engineers-working...

jansan3• 3 years ago

Siri is the Safari of voice assistants.

sergiomattei• 3 years ago

But Safari is actually competent… and good?

tclover• 3 years ago

I only use siri for cooking - hey siri, set timer 30 minutes, or - siri, wake me up in 2 hours

Gigachad• 3 years ago

Don’t worry, as a native speaker it’s not much better. While it can transcribe your request well, it very rarely can actually do anything more than search the internet.

jbverschoor• 3 years ago

Well, it's even so idiotic than WHEN it understands me (it can't handle any environmental noise.), it will actively change the name of people I call regularly into the name of people I haven't speoken to in 5+ years.

It's plain stupid.

homedirectory2• 3 years ago

See "Privacy and Security" section.

And it [Communication Safety] extends beyond Messages to include content sent and received in AirDrop, ..., and third‑party apps.

This distorted Apple's vision of privacy is not news to me, but extending their invasive policy to third-party apps is crossing the line. However, I'm not sure whether this means that they are going to forcefully intercept all content from 3rd party apps, or introduce an API to app developers that will allow them to flag content as sensitive. If anybody knows more about this, please let us all know.

karulont• 3 years ago

The Sensitive Content Analysis framework enables third-party developers to integrate Communication Safety in their apps. The framework allows developers to detect if content that children receive or attempt to send in their apps may contain nudity, and developers can add protections in their apps when sensitive content is detected.

https://www.apple.com/child-safety/

homedirectory2• 3 years ago

Thanks. This feature is described as optional for 3rd party apps and a claim is made that the information is not sent off the device. Assuming this is true, I take back my criticism about the policy being invasive.

camillomiller• 3 years ago

It’s not news to you, you make harsh statements, but reading the actual description of the feature was too much. And wow, describing Apple’s vision on privacy as distorted is really something. Is Meta your reference on privacy matters?

I know on a personal level the executives and experts of the entire privacy division. There might be some very US-centric agenda items in what they do (the CSAM detection fiasco which cost them a dent in their reputation) but generally speaking I’ve rarely seen a team more motivated and driven than that one.

louison11• 3 years ago

Still no major improvement on Siri. Really disappointing considering iOS does not let you replace Siri with ChatGPT or Google Assistant. Really behind what’s possible today especially since LLMs. This is where the future of computing lays IMO, not new stickers.

fieldbob• 3 years ago

why is my phone always getting slower with each new big release? Should I avoid new versions completely to avoid lowering performance?

shortcake273• 3 years ago

I have a 5 year old iPhone running iOS 16 which is snappier than most Android phones out of the box. The only problem I have is that it’s extremely aggressive at killing backgrounded apps due to the tiny amount of RAM and no swap.

However, it isn’t surprising or malicious for Apple to optimise their software for modern hardware. They still seem to do a significantly better job supporting old hardware than anyone else.

Perhaps some components in your phone are dying? If you go into Battery settings, has Peak Performance Capability been reduced?

radiKal07• 3 years ago

Safari seems a bit faster to me

threeseed4• 3 years ago

1) You always need to wait a two or day before assessing performance. Often the Spotlight index is being rebuilt.

2) Nobody should ever evaluate anything on a .0 release. Wait a few point releases.

3) I've found the last few iOS/OSX releases to have better performance as their moved to pushing services based revenue.

rado• 3 years ago

My only iOS complaint: no transliteration in search, which Android has.

lynx23• 3 years ago

Whatever new major release promises to deliver, I will wait until spring around .3 to update, because apple .0 releases are riddled with bugs, everytime I tried... Never ever am I going to update to a .0 of Apple. Its basically a public beta with a lot of fuzz.

Gud• 3 years ago

What I really wish was there to be some way to disable Siri. In theory you can, but as soon as you want to use CarPlay, Siri has to be enabled. Very frustrating.

fredski42• 3 years ago

I am playing with safari profiles and it doesn’t seem to work as I expected. I expected that a new profile is completely fresh and clean. However, the history is copied and separate from there on. There is an option to clean that per profile but that is an extra step. As for bookmarks / favorites I still have to find out how to get it completely separated.

I want to create a “meta” profile for accessing meta’s webpages but don’t want to give them access to bookmarks/history whatever except their own.

mgraupner• 3 years ago

Has anyone tried it on an XS yet? Are you satisfied with its performance?

lr1970• 3 years ago

Finally, in iOS-17 Maps app one can download offline maps -- a very useful feature for navigating in areas with poor or no cell-phone coverage. I have mostly switched from Google Maps to Appel Maps due to Apples better UI and ability to control font sizes.

raavikant• 3 years ago

What the new features iOS 17 offering?

Tepix• 3 years ago

Beware! After upgrading, the iCloud sync for "Passwords & Keychain" had turned itself on. It's not even the first time this has happened.

Fuck you, Apple!

user0000056678• 3 years ago

its tottaly shit, my only favourite feature translate in apple books dissapeared

iOS 17 is available today

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