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This is really cool, great work!

Yes I don’t want to see AI paintings, I don’t see computers playing chess, I don’t want to see AI generated code. What you do for your business, in this economy is your choice, probably most will use AI for that anyway, but as a hobby I want to see humans doing all the coding and I’m glad codeberg can be a space for this. (Of course enforcing this is hard)

I’d say even GitHub copilot autocomplete is LLM aided coding. Copy pasting from a chat too is. But let’s not let the perfect be the enemy of the good. The point is the intent. We don’t want AI generated code. Put that in github if you so please.

This is for human generated code. Some day we will have a way to enforce the amount of AI usage on its participants, right now we can just rely on an honor code and clear intent that you’re not welcome here

I’m not sure if that’s enough but it would be a great start.

Very well said. I don’t like seeing hackernews submissions that are LLM generated.

The joy of hackernews was seeing applied human ingenuity, most of these weren’t successful products anyway. Just like I don’t watch computer chess games, we should have an easy way to distinguish AI generated software, art etc and then I can happily avoid them.

Where do these models even have this data to learn from. There must be massive computer use datasets? I have a hard time believing it’s emergent if it’s able to do something this good.

A one time payment like 1.5B doesn’t do anything. There needs to be a royalty payment based on if the AI regurgitates existing ideas. That is probably the correct way to legislate this. If anything a human does can instantly be copied by an LLM, and then sent to all its subscribers, things need to change

I don’t understand math but it was amusing seeing Terrence Tao’s chat with chatGPT. Everything Tao said was constantly followed by praise: “That’s exactly the right way to think about it.”,

“Yes, you are exactly right.”

“You have gotten to the core issue.”

And non stop praise. Seems like sycophancy is still an issue lol.

Serious suggestion, as we’re going to get many such submissions in the future.

Can we have an honor code policy of no LLM agents used in development if you want to present on Hacker News.

The way I think of it is if we have a forum for painters and then someone just keeps sharing GenAI paintings that he did not actually paint. It’s ridiculous, I want to look at stuff humans painted, not AI.

Yes software does have use, and LLM companies have managed to make it so that anyone can build useful software for themselves if they want. So what’s left, is software as an art to appreciate, and I can’t appreciate AI generated art or software whether it is “good”, “functional”, “idiomatic”, “elegant” whatever. We still watch humans play chess, not computers play against each other though sometimes they can be interesting.

I’m not a “Luddite”, I’m unhappy with the way American AI companies have gone about this, if they released open weights it would be better.

But AI fundamentally changes the meaning of developing software, the way a compiler doesn’t. There’s no building software once you’re using LLM, just as there’s no playing chess when you have a chess engine to help you. And maybe AI code will not look like slop in the future, doesn’t matter, I still don’t really care if an AI built it.

Yes I won’t use LLM autocomplete or agents for any personal projects. At work, I’ll do whatever’s needed.

I’m such a CLANKER hater now, I want to know if this was written by agents or not. If written by agents, I don’t want anything to do with it. I only want human written software, even LLM autocomplete seems a bridge too far.

Thanks

Yes, not everyone will agree with me. Maybe some people just want to consume AI abundance forever and live on UBI, like Altman’s wet dream.

But there will be some group of people, the people who wanted to be skilled tailors, skilled wood workers and apply them towards others before industrialization ruined them and of course the best mathematicians, the best programmers, before AI revolution will ruin them. We want no part of this technology, and maybe in some distant future we can organize and live separately from the consumerist dystopian hellscape that the world around us turns into.

I’m not charting a course for the world to follow, but I suspect every OpenAI employee or Sam Altman have no desire to live their entire life on UBI doing nothing of any importance. This for them is their pursuit of greatness, only in the result they’re destroying it for large swaths of humanity that live around them. I don’t want any part of it, I refuse to be a WallE human managed by AI Sam’s company designs to be put in a state of perpetual limbo somewhere.

Surgeons too now? Another avenue for human skill destroyed.

I actually want to exit. I want to live in a society where humans flourish not AI.

Actually one just needs to walk the streets of Japan and compare that to US. Tokyo has hundreds of small shops with humans doing specific niche stuff, perfecting their arts. That’s all so beautiful.

America has massive warehouses and supermarkets, with completely uninterested and bored out of their mind humans working and I suppose now we will replace them with robots. Great I guess. Maybe all Americans should just sit at home and consume Netflix and Doritos ig.

I want technology to increase human flourishing, not turn us into WallE humans. I am only interested in technological progress when it is done by humans who trained their whole lives for it, as it is a display of human excellence and that can be a beautiful thing. I’m not interested in it if some AI builds it.

Exactly, a lot of people keep attacking me as anxiety for losing my livelihood. It’s not that.

It’s just depression that another avenue for human craftsmanship has been taken over by the machines. Humans are not just infinite consumers. If AI solves all of humanity problems, it’s like living in a zoo, not a life worth living imo.

This is all a depressing and bleak future that I don’t look forward to.

One solution is to ban LLM’s, to artificially create a demand for human thought, that just feels like living in an artificially constructed zoo.

Another solution is humans don’t do anything that AI can do better , / doesn’t need the human touch. So I suppose we will all become artists, sportsmen or politicians, the only jobs that will remain except for select few. Maybe this is ok, I don’t know.

Another solution is we find a way to mind-meld with AI so that human + Ai >> AI alone. This is dystopian, who gets to decide who mind melds with AI, how much will it cost etc etc.

For the stupid copes that the prompt required human ingenuity, let me first add that the author used GPT5.6 to write most of the prompt. He just gave some mild direction. That amount of direction does not require deep expertise and the expertise required will keep falling with time, eventually an undergrad can create this loop and then maybe a high school student.

  And prompt engineering / loop engineering nonsense is not real. Calling it engineering is a psy-op because it is something simple, imprecise and future models will be much better at it than you.

So I'll say it again, AI will win a fields medal for before managing a McDonald's simply because there are enough big problems within arms reach than their current capacity to plan over time

AI can manage a McDonald’s already. If manage means directing humans to do something to ensure the store is running. If manage means running robots, then yes maybe that is 5 years away but just directing humans to run a store, that is possible right now.

If what you like is creating things, AI lets you do it at 10 times the speed.

I’ve heard some version of this take many times, all I can say is that is not what being a craftsman is. Ands that’s fine I suppose for some people and not fine for others.

The best analogy is think of a musician. As he gets better, he learns to play better tunes, and develop better tunes. Now in the future (not too distant), let us say he just needs to prompt an LLM and say make this melody a bit longer, a lower pitch etc, he is effectively making music but it is no longer the same process, and I think the joy is gone for a majority of the people, though I’m sure some exceptions will exist who prefer just prompting an AI to generate music.

You were probably just inexperienced in coding. AI has completely bridged that gap. Someone with a 1000 hours coding experience has almost the same speed as someone with 10 hours of experience who gets stuck on syntax like you said.

In return, there is not much of mastery anymore. Being a craftsman is a deeply human desire that AI is destroying, not sure if this is a fun future to look forward to.

Why are these coding agents millions of lines of rust code. I understand they are using LLM’s to code their tool, but shouldn’t these tools be much simpler, smh.

I’m assuming he measured time by averaging on 100s of instances, or he maintained the exact same input for both versions of code. Would be a big oversight if not!

Touchy subject and Im not commenting on this specific case that I have no idea about, but for this class of cases (ruptured spine, paralysis, coma) MAID seems better than prolonging life, especially if there’s no hope for full healthy recovery.

Surely funding cell towers in Africa / India is cheaper and easier to maintain than 100k satellites in space.

Hmmm it does seem like this seems much worse than what I thought of Apple doing (like stealing the idea for a mouse and GUI from Xerox), the best I could find is Qualcomm claiming Apple stole its modem code and gave it to Intel. That was settled before trial.

This however does actually seem far worse, reminds me more of Waymo vs Uber, people can go to jail.

Hot take, but Apple has done the same and worse to many other companies when they could. Of course Apple can sue and they will probably settle some amount with OpenAI, but acting like this is not commonplace in today’s business environment, and OpenAI is uniquely worse at stealing corporate secrets is laughable. Especially considering Apple’s famous history!

I think the important thing is this is much cheaper than hiring a software engineering team. They could have hired me for 200k and I could not do this in a year. I do not have the context, and I do not know Zig or Rust, perhaps I could pick it up in a month, but I would be extremely slow.

Forgetting all the predictions about singularity etc, at the very least AI as it is now, is going to make it very hard to justify hiring a SWE for 200k. I will say, at the very top for a software heavy company like Google or Anthropic, they will still hire excellent engineers to create new software that AI is not very good at.

But for companies where software is simply a cost center. Like Walmart, or Target, companies that were already outsourcing software development, or using cheap H1bs, now they have the alternative of AI which is much better than even hiring an average software engineer for 200k. This is a sea change in the job market, it’s going to have a pretty big effect as it is right now. US has around 1.6 Million software developers, this number is going to get cut drastically, the very top, say an L6 quality in FAANG will be fine, the average in a no name Bank, or the guy building the website for McDonalds is out, he needs to learn something else or he’ll end up without a job soon.

I would not have predicted this a year ago, now it seems clear that this will happen. Just shows how much of a sea change we have witnessed just like that.

Depressing to think that AI will be doing most of this in the future. Sharing it freely in the internet, basically ensures AI can copy it well.

Can this be realistically enforced without parents help?

I played textual chess with Fable. It took around 15 moves before it made a large blunder. I asked it to give its reasoning per move and it mistakenly assumed a piece was protected when it wasn’t and after the blunder it realized its fault and did not suggest an illegal move. Other LLMs lost game state far earlier. But a good human chess player can keep the game state in his mind much longer, so this random eval shows a big improvement over old AI models

Can you give an example of the problems you are trying to solve?