Show HN: FablePool – pool money behind a prompt, and Fable builds it in public

by matthewbarras • 1 month ago

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Eridrus2• 1 month ago

Hell yeah, $516 for a complete AWS replacement, I'm in lol!

Reminds of the four college kids that were going to clone Facebook. Turns out it's hard than it looks, if you have never tried it.

ThunderSizzle• 1 month ago

The coding isn't the hard part. It's the people and networking. Facebook's only moat is HOA boards that think private communication behind Facebook groups somehow equates to public messaging a community...

In other words, once people got on it, it was too late.

MeetingsBrowser2• 1 month ago

I wonder how the estimates are being created.

I doubt an LLM would estimate an AWS rewrite to cost $500.

selcuka• 1 month ago

If you look at the milestones it's a small subset of AWS features, but yeah, the estimate is still off.

MattyLinky• 1 month ago

This is such a good idea. Hell yeah

binary0010• 1 month ago

Lol.

nine_k2• 1 month ago

[flagged]

sailingparrot• 1 month ago

Thats called Kickstarter

digitaltrees3• 1 month ago

Sort of but in reverse.

If users posted ideas, voted on them and then other people built them then that would be the same. But kickstarter is the producer posting an idea for presale

electronsoup• 1 month ago

If you put that behind an API, you could sell the service much like the AI providers

satvikpendem2• 1 month ago

And then get sued for fraud and go under, like Builder.ai

skeledrew2• 1 month ago

Not affordable, unless the devs are in somewhere like Vietnam. And there's still no way they can build as fast. And still, at that price point, quality would be highly questionable. So yh this doesn't survive beyond the joke stage.

nine_k2• 1 month ago

The mention of quality puts it firmly into the joke territory, indeed.

a1o• 1 month ago

It can work for students as a grant

tptacek• 1 month ago

I don't understand how that would not be a complete joke even if tokens were 2 orders of magnitude more expensive than they are.

bcjordan• 1 month ago

This was a pre-LLM YC startup AssemblyMade which was basically this

cortesoft2• 1 month ago

how expensive do you think tokens are, and/or how cheap do you think a developer is?

matheusmoreira• 1 month ago

Someone posted 20k/month Fable budgets only a few days ago. That's nearly 250k/year, which is what Oxide pays their employees.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48471771

dboreham• 1 month ago

Fable will actually finish the job.

digitaltrees3• 1 month ago

I wonder why that didn’t happen on kick starter. Product hunt was kind of this. It’s actually interesting. Why didn’t this ever happen?

eob• 1 month ago

I think because you don't know /which/ developer you're going to get.

One interesting aspect of LLMs is that each one, weights frozen, can be thought of as a single developer whose work you have already evaluated.

The cost of finding, evaluating, and negotiating with a new human is tremenous.

fuddle• 1 month ago

I feel like using Fable in the name is a mistake, who knows how long that model will be around.

aaronbrethorst• 1 month ago

xda-developers.com vs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/O2_Xda

vlovich123• 1 month ago

It's how they name classes of models, presumably this implies something about the relative quantization / size of model, not about the specific performance. E.g. Fabel 5 will be better than Opus 5, better than Sonnet 5, etc. The 5 is the version number of the particular iteration / training run at this class of model.

pseudocoup• 1 month ago

I think they mean: I feel like using [Sonnet/Opus/Fable] in the name [URL] is a mistake, who knows how long that model will be around

an0malous• 1 month ago

You could call it aiproductsexchange.com

andrewstuart22• 1 month ago

Bold move leaving out the dash between words a la experts-exchange lol.

tartoran• 1 month ago

Without the sex change in them : AIProductMarket.com, AIProductHub.com, AIProductMarketplace.com, AIToolMarket.com, AIToolsHub.com

CobrastanJorji2• 1 month ago

I don't think using the name Fable is wrong, but I think a pool of Fables should be called a Grimm, or possibly an Aesop.

SauntSolaire• 1 month ago

Perhaps Grimoire?

"A grimoire is a textbook of magic and sorcery. Traditionally, it contains instructions for casting spells, performing divination, creating magical objects like talismans, and summoning supernatural entities such as angels or spirits."

Seems to fit.

comboy• 1 month ago

But it sounds like FableFool so it has that going for it.

fragmede12• 1 month ago

Even if that product disappears, OpenAI will never Anthropic forget it.

TrueGeek• 1 month ago

So the completed sample was estimated at $0.35, actually cost $0.52, but spend $0.55

This bot is almost as bad as I am at estimating projects.

MeetingsBrowser2• 1 month ago

Build a completely greenroom, open source AWS
est. total target $516.00

Lol

pitched7• 1 month ago

A lot of AWS is built on open-source. This is obviously ignoring hardware costs. I don’t know if it is all that ridiculous anymore. These models are very good at wiring together open-source systems. The world is crazy right now…

NewJazz3• 1 month ago

Is green room a word? I've heard clean room. And green field. Is it just an amalgamation?

pitched7• 1 month ago

Did it not charge anything for the estimation itself? I wonder what model they’re using for that

keyle• 1 month ago

This is literally an idea by the primegean on his YouTube under predictions. Self prophecy really with his reach but credit where it's due?

satvikpendem2• 1 month ago

He's been right about other things before, such as this: https://youtu.be/m-bT5v5Tm7w

mikestaas• 1 month ago

Slop cannons lol.

xpct• 1 month ago

Before putting in money to this small anonymous website, I'd love to hear about the people behind the project. There's a single mention of 'Barras Industries', but not much mention about them online, or what else they've worked on.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

fair comment! i'll add a link but we're at barrasindustries.com

colesantiago• 1 month ago

This is a fantastic idea.

There are lots of projects, software that shouldn't be SaaS subscriptions that Fable can build in public that can be free for everyone and also OSS.

skeledrew2• 1 month ago

Is this the new open source?

hirako20003• 1 month ago

At least it recognizes that energy deserves funding, ideally beforehand. Yet it would be harder to sell if a human asked for payment, even if delivery was guaranteed.

xyzsparetimexyz• 1 month ago

Fantastic idea for a rug pull

Bombthecat3• 1 month ago

Yeah, already several thousands in it

bensyverson• 1 month ago

This idea reads like a joke, but there's something to it.

One feature request: In addition to high-level milestones, it would be cool if a partially-funded project would generate a public, highly detailed implementation plan.

Also, IANAL but MIT is still a license with a copyright holder. I don't think saying "it's MIT, we all own it" is defensible. The courts might view all this code as public domain.

8note• 1 month ago

if fable is writing it, courts my declare that its not even public domain? not a copywrightable work

NewJazz3• 1 month ago

That'll translate across copyright jurisdictions.

lwyrup2• 1 month ago

I don’t know, if the design itself is copyrighted you could argue that the AI is just a bunch of hired workers that built it for extremely low wages.

If I hired a bunch of people to build me a house, and I drafted the architectural plans with the help of a paid architect, neither the architect nor the builders have ownership over the home.

So if a collection of people design something together maybe that has merit, they collectively paid for Anthropic to build it for them…

Bombthecat3• 1 month ago

That's a problem more and more products in software will face.

In a few years most saas will have 95 percent or even more AI coded code.

Could I steal it and put it on git?

plq• 1 month ago

I don't get this. No I did not write that code but I paid money to eg. Anthropic to buy that code. To me it sounds like I own it just the same.

oofdere2• 1 month ago

yeah it should really be CC0

dietr1ch• 1 month ago

Should it? If it was real world infrastructure, like a bridge it'd be easier to say that it belongs to those who lead the project and those who put down the money

fragmede12• 1 month ago

The problem with running open source code is the security aspect, but with Mythos running point, how would you distribute revenue is the real question.

Which market is even left after since the sasspocaloypse?

galaxyLogic• 1 month ago

Maybe the financiers of a project just need it, they need it working, not to generate revenue for them?

timcobb• 1 month ago

I think pooling/donating tokens will be a thing. Not sure if like this, but in some format. The Django project, for example, came out and said they don't want your tokens, but I think a lot of people/projects will (do?) want your tokens.

pitched7• 1 month ago

The good ones all seem to be pointing in the direction of Django. Which, on its own, says a lot about how likely people will care about vibe-coded anything, whether pooled or not.

fny• 1 month ago

Why not just give a project money and let them decide how to spend?

ttb-2134• 1 month ago

Primeagen predicted this in his latest video. I just didn't think I'll see this today.

stogot• 1 month ago

Highly detailed plan with time for the backers to comment and suggest improvements*

digdugdirk• 1 month ago

I've always wanted to figure out how to implement a cooperative source license. Something like, you're allowed to do what you want with it, but any derivative work requires the same license, and X% of any income goes to the cooperative?

Not sure how it'd work, but there's absolutely a niche for a privacy focused data cooperative out there.

Ajedi32• 1 month ago

X% of any income

Any income from what? The code is free, right? X% of your company's total revenue? Might as well just say "companies can't use this".

Personally I like the idea of a "free as in freedom but not free as in beer" license. You have to pay for a copy of the software, but after that you're free to use and modify it as you please, and share/sell your modifications under the same license.

To turn that into a cooperative you could have a company own the code and pay developers in shares of the company for PRs or other contributioins.

onel• 1 month ago

This is exactly how I'm building an OS right now. I have a lot of things speced out, and for most of them also create an issue. And I have a friend that just points his claudr code at the repo and tells it to "find the next thing to work on and implement it" I then do the review, verification, etc, but a great way to used unused quota.

pjc502• 1 month ago

I wonder why people are more eager to pool money to pay a corporate-owned computer to build things than to the actual humans who have been building open source for decades? Much of which has ended up in the training set?

eptcyka• 1 month ago

Humans are more expensive.

KeplerBoy• 1 month ago

LLM output is just very predictable. If you spend 200$ on that /goal you will get some output. It may or may not work perfectly, but there will be a repo with some progress. If you specced the goal well and it is feasible, a decent model will most likely get you decent progress.

Also who would take on any of these projects for a meager 200$? Most of that stuff is borderline interesting, clearly not interesting enough for the people proposing the things to start working on them themselves.

nullbio• 1 month ago

Exactly. This screams crowdfunding for AI labs. Who made this? Someone at Anthropic?

sanreds• 1 month ago

Fablepool spends Anthropic's inference budget and puts the output under MIT, thats not growing Anthropic's moat, its commoditizing it. Anthropic just sells the API calls either way.

hereme888• 1 month ago

Price?

Eridrus2• 1 month ago

I think what will be interesting is not whether the code will be produced, but rather: will anybody actually use any this output?

This sort of reminds me of startups that go out of business and then open source their code. It's kind of cool when they can do that, but almost nobody ever gets value from it.

Anyway, if anyone uses the code produced this way in prod, I'd love to hear your story.

sahildeepreel• 1 month ago

This is such a interesting idea.

Could this be the way we develop software in the future?!

- instead of paying for subscription SaaS. Users pool resources for the idea, AI builds and maintains it. Pricing is a fraction of what we pay otherwise.

A bit early today but definitely a possibility in a couple of years.

johnwheeler• 1 month ago

This is a good idea and for features and modifications you can make it so whoever chips in the most money gets more votes.

This is one of those ideas that sounds bad on paper (Like people renting out their houses. But if implemented correctly could get some traction.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

thank you!

evanwolf• 1 month ago

Kinda fun but the approach today is strictly oneshot. Waiting for agentswithwallets to post.

suddenlybananas• 1 month ago

https://fablepool.com/projects/7 It didn't even put a picture in!

parliament32• 1 month ago

I love how even the "demo build" doesn't work. https://fablepool.com/projects/7

Rather, it did work at milestone 14, but then regressed at milestone 15, where it changed the link from a wikimedia image to a nonexistent file in /assets (despite still having the "Photo via Wikimedia Commons" caption).

edit: they removed it :^)

CobrastanJorji2• 1 month ago

If you check "DEPLOYMENT.md," there is a lengthy list of deployment instructions for the app, and it includes creating an assets folder and putting an image of Claude Shannon in it. There are also other instructions, like "please make a favicon." So I think that bit is valid, the AI is simply farming out work to the human agent.

My question, though, is why the "Live, public build log" only showing up to milestone 3, but the artifacts go up to milestone 15? And there are different index.html pages in the artifacts list, one for milestone 14 and one for milestone 15? Are there different conceptions of "milestone" in here? What's up with that?

svnt2• 1 month ago

I have found that on long-running tasks, many of the communication (and other) invariants get dropped at seemingly arbitrary points along the way. It probably just stopped doing the log.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

yeah.. deployment.md had instructions to stick a photo there, but rather than explain I just got rid. gonna work on a few examples and fund them so people can see it actually work

3adk1a• 1 month ago

Everything turns into a computer game and entertainment.

Maybe add a "Build a worm that shuts down all Anthropic data centers."

pitched7• 1 month ago

This, unfortunately, gets flagged for cyber and you would need to be on the unlocked Mythos.

stonesy88• 1 month ago

Brilliant idea! We need consensus protocols for voting on phases. Similar to the "twitch" plays Pokemon phenomenom.

kasince2k2• 1 month ago

anyone who donates gets to vote (?)

orliesaurus• 1 month ago

Ok who wants to pool up to build GTA 7? /s

brikym• 1 month ago

I think the bottleneck is testing. I want to build a replacement for Zwift, a virtual gym game for bike trainers and treadmills, but testing it could be difficult without a real person on real hardware. How does the LLM know about the hardware protocols and stuff like that.

robbs• 1 month ago

Same way you’d do it without AI. Record sample data, test against that, generate more data, test IRL, record more data, loop until it’s good enough.

fragmede12• 1 month ago

I don't have one. how through is this blog post reverse engineering it? https://www.makinolo.com/blog/2024/07/26/zwift-ride-protocol... ?

0xferruccio• 1 month ago

This is a genius idea, I love it!!

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

thank you!

JohnMakin2• 1 month ago

"I want an open source AWS" with $500 budget made me guffaw

squidsoup• 1 month ago

OpenStack already exists

LearnYouALisp• 1 month ago

"I have a turbofan model, pls build an Airbus" sounds about right

theYipster• 1 month ago

All for $670 :)

In all seriousness, I would probably throw $10 at a project to design and implement a modern turbofan FADEC + all of the certification artifacts.

JohnMakin2• 1 month ago

I got downvoted probably for tone which is my bad but what I’m laughing at is this person doesnt seem to understand why people pay for aws, it’s certainly not the laughably bad console or the buggy control plane. it’s the reliability guarantees granted by their massive physical infrastructure that was meant to replace sysadmin’s running racks in a closet and wrangling terrible ansible/chef playbooks.

this literally already exists if you’re willing to maintain your own physical infra, and has for a long time - nothing aws does is that innovative software wise. maybe their managed k8s eliminates a ton of pain, but I dont know. it’s the reliability guarantee + support + not having to maintain physical servers. if youre willing to shirk all that and do it yourself why would you want aws? lol

tldr; was laughing at the xy vibe of the ask

raincole• 1 month ago

Man, I really hope this kind of effort could be put into auditing the security situation of open source projects (via Mythos or not.)

GodelNumbering• 1 month ago

"Solve Garbage Collection in C# for HFT · $10.00 raised of est. $200.00 target"

This can't be serious.

Broader point I am making is, what differentiates genuine ideas from the token burn? What happens when the pool exhausts but the task is not done?

bethekidyouwant• 1 month ago

You keep putting money into the slot and pulling the lever

fragmede12• 1 month ago

Real question is, how do you get press for this site after this falls off HN?

jimkleiber• 1 month ago

But at least collectively pulling it :-)

fragmede12• 1 month ago

It indicates the level of trust people have in the platform, and the combination of the product-platform behavior. If someone with the wherewithal to solve garbage collection for C# for HFT could actually describe why GC in C# was a problem, they wouldn't be asking for $10. But for $10, for something something you're dimly aware of is a problem? I'd throw $10 at some nonsense I read on the Internet.

What happens when the pool exhausts but the task is not done?

Have a stupider LLM aggregate similar questions.

kevin_thibedeau• 1 month ago

The sarcastic solution is to use C# bindings to a non-GC language. Put all available memory under control of a pool allocator and enjoy the perf gain.

edoceo• 1 month ago

Similar solution worked for ASP back in 1999. ASP/VBS was terrible slow at string building and Response.Write. Build it in the fast code and then output.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

market decides - just like kickstarter

asp_hornet• 1 month ago

From my 10 years in the .net, it seemed C# devs will pretty much do anything to avoid using the right tool for the job or solving the immediate problem at hand.

MattGaiser• 1 month ago

C# and Java devs are anecdotally the only kind of dev to think of themselves primarily by language.

Most other devs don’t talk about language in a driest few sentences intro.

pmarreck• 1 month ago

lol saw that one too

"A thorough written survey of why .NET garbage collection causes latency spikes in HFT contexts"

i'm like, dude, just rewrite in Zig if you want that control back, not all of your compute goodies will come from Redmond

WorkerBee28474• 1 month ago

It's already solved (by humans) for Java, which can now be used for HFT. It seems like it's possible to do for C#.

joe_the_user• 1 month ago

I think assumption of the gp is that while Fable might be impressive, even Fable would take a bit more (sarcastically meaning a lot more) than $200 of tokens to solve this quite serious problem.

pjc502• 1 month ago

Yes, this is the "LMAX Disruptor": https://lmax-exchange.github.io/disruptor/user-guide/index.h...

You can write only-stack-alloc or limited-alloc C#, and Microsoft have put a lot of work into it (Span etc); it's just a bit unidiomatic.

Mind you, the last time I had contact with HFT it was inside an FPGA context..

throwthrowuknow• 1 month ago

Like DeFi but for agencies.

alchemist1e9• 1 month ago

Cypherpunks will be proud once there is a version of this cryptocurrency funded to providers receiving the cryptocurrency.

Or maybe there is? or a version where only those funding have access to the results.

itintheory• 1 month ago

They should have called this "WishingWell". I'm wishing them well, but some of these projects are so over the top pie-in-the-sky silly, and funded with $0.25.

kasince2k2• 1 month ago

attach github to this. this is the new way to do opensource i guess

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

that's the plan! funded projects will spin up a repo

chrisss395• 1 month ago

This strikes me as crowd-funded prompt caching, but with humans in the loop.

Uptrenda• 1 month ago

It would work if an engineer steered the pools. But doing this autonomously is a pipe dream.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

there's a job going if you fancy it... pool steersman

contingencies• 1 month ago

We have a saying in Australia: "Up shit creek without a paddle."

anonym292• 1 month ago

Neat project idea, but truly ruined by requiring a google sign-in both to submit new projects and to donate to projects. Dead service to me until that's gone.

Remember, Google aids and abets militaries of governments that the UN has found to be committing genocide.

Weird how people seem to forget this.

thunky• 1 month ago

Dead service to me until that's gone.

Lets just hope the project is able to soldier on without you.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

Google was just the easiest to implement first. Was planning Github next - or would you prefer smth else?

anonym292• 1 month ago

My first choice would be non-SSO. Let me pick a username (or email address) and a password.

Btw, thanks for the response. Not sure why you got downvoted for it, but you have my gratitude for being one of few devs who are sincerely responsive to these types of concerns.

efficax• 1 month ago

it's remarkable how easy it is to identify websites built with the "frontend-design" skill in Claude

zzleeper• 1 month ago

I managed to write one that at least didnt had the font and colors (using 4.5)

Yesterday, I prompted Fable to improve the frontend to make it look different from Claude style, gave detailed examples etc. 15 minutes and $32 dollars (!) later (used cursor lol) it gave me the shittiest more claudiest website ever, basically ignoring everything I asked

thatxliner• 1 month ago

"Make Fable 6

ValentineC• 1 month ago

Has anything been successfully built?

asdfasgasdgasdg• 1 month ago

Fable’s been out for like a day and this site seems more recent.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

fablepool didn't exist 24 hours ago .. so not yet

digitaltrees3• 1 month ago

Awesome idea.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

thank you!

jrpt• 1 month ago

Seems similar to open source bounties, which have been tried in the past and never succeeded.

We've seen something like 20+ years of different attempts of voluntary donations to fund open source, and it never worked. Companies barely fund anything voluntarily.

I'm taking the opposite approach with Supported Source (https://supso.org/) which is this: actually force companies to pay to use the project. Sell commercial licenses. Make it mandatory to using your software commercially. This approach works much, much better than voluntary donations.

tgma2• 1 month ago

I think there's a categorical difference between paying for long term maintenance voluntarily vs paying for something to exist. The latter works much better as the value prop is clear and you can scratch an itch. Kickstarter is similar.

fragmede12• 1 month ago

Sooo.. what projects are most highly requested?

danpalmer• 1 month ago

"Build a completely greenroom, open source AWS" – $700

This is engineering theatre (pun intended).

The amount of hubris here is exceptional, the author doesn't even know that it's "clean room" rather than "green room". What does it even mean to build an open source AWS? There are many open source IaaS/PaaS components. Is the author suggesting any hardware design, because that's a critical component.

The only possible result of this is an AWS fanfic. An art project that looks vaguely like a cloud provider on the surface if you squint, but with zero substance to it.

And this criticism has nothing to do with AI. You'd get the same spending 100x that budget on any engineering team.

madprops• 1 month ago

I forgot to fully describe the prompt since I already described it a bit on the title of the submission, which might be a problem. I hope the title of the submission itself is included alongside the prompt when giving instructions to the AI.

ProofHouse• 1 month ago

Made something very close to this, but not model specific. Ill try to shape it up tonight and tmr and drop it, would be cool to colab!

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

full disclosure, it's model specific because the domain was available + bandwagon

qainsights• 1 month ago

I got an idea similar to this where the user can donate their tokens instead of dollars.

rickcarlino• 1 month ago

We have entered the GoFundMe era of vibe coding.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

goVibeMe

fragmede12• 1 month ago

shit, that was the quickest $23 I went and bought a a domain name for.

Bombthecat3• 1 month ago

jorl17• 1 month ago

This is genius! I can already see improved versions of this idea making it big.

bottlepalm• 1 month ago

Same, there is massive potential here for groups in the public guiding agents and having skin in the game with their own money.

Yokohiii• 1 month ago

Could anyone post a project to turn that site into phub for LLMs?

mannanj• 1 month ago

Have any successful funds?

johnnyApplePRNG• 1 month ago

Excellent idea, I see a few issues though.

First, your server is struggling. It took about 20+ seconds to respond just now, FYI.

Second, it's not obvious to me that I can get my money back if something doesn't pan out / get approved by a certain date from the homepage alone. That might make people hesitant to put anything in if they think it might get locked in there forever if the site dies / you take it down / etc.

danielrmay2• 1 month ago

This is actually kinda exciting. I threw in an open-source idea I've been playing with, and paid $25. I hope it comes back up soon or I'm going to have to put Fable on building a replacement.

morpheos137• 1 month ago

Lol good place for multiple eyes to view how limited "ai" is.

adv0r• 1 month ago

same but different than this https://github.com/adv0r/tokens-for-good

razorbeamz• 1 month ago

This will be an excellent demonstration of what AI is incapable of.

kilroy123• 1 month ago

I agree, but I do find it interesting to see what people want built and wish for.

827a• 1 month ago

Really fun idea that is simultaneously deeply embarrassing for Anthropic.

kbr_• 1 month ago

This is precisely what I thought the other day. TBH my idea is slightly better.

But I stopped after asking Claude about it. It categorically told me that the moment you fund a model, you are legally liable for its actions.

How to get around it?

ffsm8• 1 month ago

I doubt that's legally decided yet. There hasn't been precedent as it hasn't been challenged yet.

I mean Claude will tell you because anthropic made it tell you that, doesn't mean it's true.

GoFundMe and indigogo aren't responsible for the actions of the funded projects either, hence it's unlikely that any judge would decide that the liability would go to the platform if it can show it's doing it's best effort in moderation wrt illegal content

If you mean just throw it together and then don't moderate at all then .. yeah, you'll be held liable. But that's not because of the person paying the prompt, it's because moderating illegal content is the responsibility of the platform provider.

yreg• 1 month ago

Almost all of the examples on the website are ridiculous, which in turn makes your project look bad.

Imho you should wipe them, populate it with some realistic small scale ideas and be much more strict in review, at least for now.

nailer2• 1 month ago

The first one I saw was local first memory for AI, which seemed entirely reasonable.

danielrmay2• 1 month ago

Thank you! I'm actually using this adversarially (or maybe just an experiment) to compare it with an open source protocol that I've already begun to publish but am having trouble getting traction or review on due to it sitting awkwardly across so many domains: local first, capability, ux, security, personal AI memory, knowledge graphs. I have a reference implementation in Rust (I see this site built theirs in python - interesting) but I've been working more on building the right way to explain the need.

It's hard to explain briefly, and so putting this prompt up was a way for me to possibly generate some interest and act as a little public marker for an idea: open-source user-owned memory infrastructure for AI and the importance that I think it represents. My vision and belief behind this project has been slowly building for the past two months - I think personal AI memory will become one of the most important layers in computing, and I'd like that layer to be inspectable, correctable, portable and truly owned by the humans it describes. I'd like to encourage any casual readers who might be interested to reach out to me.

nailer2• 1 month ago

It seems weird that you would have about 3% of your revenue taken away by card providers you should just accept USDC.

akch• 1 month ago

Can built project really have MIT license? Considering MIT license still holds copyright but AI generated code cannot by copyrighted?

a-dub• 1 month ago

  i built a turbofan
  https://app.confbuild.com/p/z459
  
  now I want to build a complete Airbus as detailed as possible with give budget

sigmar2• 1 month ago

I'd love to see Anthropic (or someone with mythos access) create a cybersecurity version of this. So that I could create a pool that says "find security concerns in this github repo." Then the report from mythos gets sent to the code/project maintainer and revealed to the public (that paid for it) at the 90 day mark.

stevefan1999• 1 month ago

sounds like FableBugBounty

sublinear• 1 month ago

The target codebase cannot improve beyond the point that the reports are incorrect and a waste of money.

There is also the question of whether humans can waste so much time reviewing AI code that the vulnerability is not patched before it is exploited. Another one is whether when the human is removed from the loop that the codebase becomes more vulnerable in some other ways.

guessmyname• 1 month ago

For your information, a group of Mythos-approved users at Apple, Google, Microsoft, and several other Project Glasswing partners have already been doing this for the past few months. We just can’t share many details publicly yet.

sigmar2• 1 month ago

Who foots the bill?

sourcegrift• 1 month ago

I need an X11/Wayland successor that has the simplicity of X11 but can be used assl a drop in replacement for Wayland

hirako20003• 1 month ago

Isn't wayland a protocol? A drop in would carry the complexity.

Tostino• 1 month ago

I could see something like this working if you actually had a assigned human developer(s) to assist the task. There are few interesting tasks that can actually be completed in one (or few) shot and have anything usable.

jayhickey• 1 month ago

____tom____2• 1 month ago

I'd fund "clone fablepool" for $5. Should be plenty.

hirako20003• 1 month ago

Make Fable 6

$1.00 raised of est. $205.00 target

Humans shouldn't provide estimates.

jgord• 1 month ago

Do we need a cryptocurrency for trading / donating LLM compute tokens ?

childintime• 1 month ago

The end of GitHub as we know it is near?

Why do open source collaboration? Why not a single product developer getting crowd paid to add features, solve bugs, using AI. So many businesses will see their moat wiped out.

On the macro level capitalism is winner-takes-all and Musk is the only one seriously playing the game. End game: own everything, including payments, and governments come begging and will protect him from citizen revolt. Supervillain/overlord territory.

thih92• 1 month ago

Rust Rewritten PostgreSQL

https://fablepool.com/projects/53

saadn92• 1 month ago

there's someone already doing this: https://github.com/malisper/pgrust

thih92• 1 month ago

I guess the new LLM implementation will just ~copy~ clean room reimplement that then.

emsign• 1 month ago

"Build Grand Theft Auto 7" I like that here are my 0.25c

thefounder• 1 month ago

This is DOA. Claude will refuse to work on anything there or better just bankrupt the funding members while delivering slop(on purpose to doge their cyber operations )

opengears• 1 month ago

Why are there no reverse engineering projects listed? These would make the most sense actually. Or future features of MacOS, Apple hardware designs (as Apple would not be able to patent them then)

ShinyLeftPad• 1 month ago

A heads up, since LLM is not itself responsible for any wrong it does, its operators are, and you are that guy.

mypastself• 1 month ago

Sounds like great idea, but can’t seem to find some key info: which “public ledger” is used here? A blockchain? If so, there would need to be a massive fee overhead. If not, then how are we not relying on trust?

Also, is there some kind of ownership structure based on investment?

andai2• 1 month ago

I wrote this to a friend in 2022:

Here's an idea: reverse kickstarter

1. people post ideas

2. good ideas go viral

3. people pledge actual money to encourage someone to step forward and build it

4. interested creators make kickstarter type videos explaining their proposal for making the thing

5A. people vote on which proposal to accept, or maybe

5B. each backer can select a project to support

---

Here steps 4 and 5 are replaced by Claude.

Cool idea!

addandsubtract• 1 month ago

Shouldn't we still have people in the loop for selecting/proposing the best implementation (plan)? Vibe coding an entire solution from a prompt still doesn't feel like the optimal way to write software.

halJordan• 1 month ago

At some point you have to say "Is not having it better than having it?" Where's your dude, today, who's gonna code this? If it were gone happen, it wouldve.

m00dy• 1 month ago

not with prompts but "loops" maybe.

andai2• 1 month ago

It also occurs to me now that the Claude version has about 3 fewer zeros at the end of the funding target.

That seems to massively lower the bar for people investing.

SLUSH_THROWAWAY• 1 month ago

this exists now - https://slush.lol

Yaqub_W• 1 month ago

How about letting humans participate, not just LLMs.

Davidzheng• 1 month ago

can I put open math problems on this site too with bounties

DannyBee• 1 month ago

Mixed in with all these aspirational positive things is some sad person trying to get a better Microsoft Teams client.

https://fablepool.com/projects/76

khernandezrt• 1 month ago

This is such a great idea. I often have things that im sure i dont have money for but maybe others would support it.

realty_geek• 1 month ago

Would love to see non-technical audiences think like this.

For years I've been trying to get estate agents to support an open-source real estate website builder. The pitch is obvious: instead of each agent paying thousands for a bespoke site, pool resources, fund the features you all need, and everyone benefits.

Getting non-technical people to commit to something abstract before it exists is nearly impossible though. Hope a model like FablePool can change that.

For the website builder, the open-source product is already there: https://github.com/etewiah/property_web_builder. It just needs momentum.

goldylochness• 1 month ago

it's like a pre-vc funding round for projects

c7b• 1 month ago

Interesting that this doesn't seem to use blockchains. Arguably it would have been a good use case. OP, could you elaborate on the reasons for the choice (if it was a conscious one at all)?

qingcharles• 1 month ago

I was surprised. I expected it to be crypto payments.

tomaskafka• 1 month ago

It seems highly suspicious that all the target cost estimates are for $150-$400, regardless if it’s a bench for pelican on bicycle, or a clone of AAA game.

It reminds me of scam eshops where everything cost $random dollars in a hope that someone will enter a credit card number.

matthewbarras13• 1 month ago

the estimation-engine is a work in progress. defs needs some work

JeremyHerrman• 1 month ago

I'm not sure why folks continue to build services with trademarked names they don't own.

If Anthropic had a problem with Clawdbot they are certainly going to take issue with FablePool.

MattCruikshank• 1 month ago

Wouldn't it be better to just have an open source project, where everyone picks some tasks for their "spare" tokens to implement?

ukprogrammer• 1 month ago

ITT hacker news rebuilds a blockchain from scratch

ouraf• 1 month ago

How to murder bug bounty programs with one website

philluminati• 1 month ago

Whoever posted the request for Notepad++ on MacOS...

... I was feeling generous, so here you go!

https://github.com/PhillipTaylor/notepad_plus_plus_mac_os

I copy and pasted your prompt into Augment (Opus 4.7) and told it to do everything you wanted, then I told it to keeping going afterwards.

I think there are a few missing pieces as it's quite a open-ended piece of work. This took 59,000 tokens.

Stone515• 1 month ago

Interestingly, this project only just launched yesterday, and today Fable 5 has already been disabled.

addedGone• 1 month ago

RIP.

DevRoulette• 1 month ago

Cool concept. The AI building it isn’t really the interesting part to me. it’s honestly the public ledger and funding the build milestone by milestone. Makes the whole thing a spectator event.

Show HN: FablePool – pool money behind a prompt, and Fable builds it in public

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