Cognition (Devin AI) to Acquire Windsurf

by alazsengul • 1 year ago

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samyok• 1 year ago

Important context from the tweet:

This transaction is structured so that 100% of Windsurf employees will participate financially. They will also have all vesting cliffs waived and will receive fully accelerated vesting for their work to date.

asadotzler5• 1 year ago

Not important, marketing speak unless it comes with numbers. "We'll split 100% of $10 across every employee" is just as much a possibility as the windfall their PR team has convinced you of.

oytis4• 1 year ago

So they will get stocks of a company that ceases to exist basically

akavi2• 1 year ago

Is this purely the rump company left over from the Google pseudo-acquistion? Or does this mean that deal fell through?

Does this represent confirmation that there was no pro-rata compensation to common share holders in the Google deal?

I just have so many questions.

xnx10• 1 year ago

And what is Google "paying $2.4 billion in license fees" to use Windsurf's technology for, and to who? Does Windsurf have any technology?

mattlondon• 1 year ago

I suspect it is more a "licence" for the things in the staff's heads for those who were poached.

mritchie712• 1 year ago

not sure of windsurf's ToS, but Google could be after the usage data (e.g. did the user accept the suggested edit? if not, what did they change it to? etc.)

lunarboy• 1 year ago

Windsurf founding team is already at Google

neural_thing• 1 year ago

Galaxy brain move by cognition

annodomini20193• 1 year ago

What does this actually mean for the product? Huge fan of the plugin on Jetbrains products...

k3nz0• 1 year ago

Which plugin?

annodomini20193• 1 year ago

The Windsurf plugin!

williamzeng03• 1 year ago

Transparently I'm a founder building a plugin that's like "Cursor for JetBrains IDEs", if you're an windsurf user you might like us: https://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/26860-sweep-ai

annodomini20193• 1 year ago

How would you describe your stance towards security? I'm an enterprise user so it'd have to clear a high bar with our security team

tibbydudeza• 1 year ago

What's left ???.

chews• 1 year ago

the hosed employees that actually built a great product while their leadership sings "go on take the money and run" on their mega yacht.

barbazoo2• 1 year ago

Presumably the employees were compensated fairly for their work while they worked there?

kevindamm2• 1 year ago

The company was intact after key employees moved to Alphabet, and importantly there was a service contract to use Windsurf, so apparently Google will be paying Cognition, ultimately, now.

xnx10• 1 year ago

there was a service contract to use Windsurf

I wonder what the terms were there. Hard for me to imagine why Google would've included that in the deal.

_--__--__• 1 year ago

The Devin name/branding is so toxic that nobody will try their current product offerings, so the hollowed out shell of a respected company is actually fine for their needs.

consumer451• 1 year ago

Users and enterprise contracts?

jeanlucas• 1 year ago

This is so confusing

makin• 1 year ago

I was a bit confused as to what "Cognition" was, but they're the makers of Devin (edit: that just got added to the title, for reference), so that makes sense. Just buying the competition, the only surprise is they had more money to spend than the big ones.

handfuloflight5• 1 year ago

As far as I recall they were first to market with the "AI software engineer" promise.

brentm• 1 year ago

Well Google did also just pay $2.5B to license Windsurf in perpetuity. Cognition is probably spending a lot less than that for just whatever it left after that type of a deal. Remaining team members, etc.

mkagenius• 1 year ago

The acquisition includes Windsurf’s IP, product, trademark and brand, and strong business.

So, Google will be paying $2.5B to Devin guys?

xnx10• 1 year ago

Google did also just pay $2.5B to license Windsurf in perpetuity

Could there have been a clause that made this invalid in case of acquisition?

physix• 1 year ago

This looks to me like the smoking gun on a type of acquisition that circumvents regulatory oversight, primarily driven by the "need for speed":

https://medium.com/@villispeaks/the-blitzhire-acquisition-e3...

which I first saw here

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44553257

bix6• 1 year ago

Can the new buyers revoke that license?

amenghra• 1 year ago

“Had more money to spend” => it could be a little money and a large amount of stock.

handfuloflight5• 1 year ago

Had it been the reverse, they would have announced the purchase price.

dgunay• 1 year ago

kind of funny that no one seems to know them by name, only by the infamously panned reception of their main product

esafak• 1 year ago

One benefit of separating your brands from your company is you can try again without the stigma of your failures :)

Aurornis• 1 year ago

the only surprise is they had more money to spend than the big ones

The sale price for Windsurf was likely significantly lower than the original acquisition plans.

It didn't go to $0 like some predicted, but it was never going to be as valuable as it was before the executives bailed on it.

htrp• 1 year ago

so devin gets the leftover remains of windsurf to fix their agentic AI ide that wasn't working in the first place?

rvz2• 1 year ago

yes.

badgersnake• 1 year ago

So some VCs got rinsed for Google’s leftovers.

bananapub4• 1 year ago

ok so it's not all bad then

fortysixpercent• 1 year ago

VC's probably did fine. Their preferred shares get paid out on the dividend out of the Google 'license' fee. They might get some stock in Cognition as part of the acquisition of the remains of the company, but they've likely already been made whole and made a tidy profit on money invested in early rounds.

krat0sprakhar• 1 year ago

Wait, so Google picks up the talent, and Devin picks up the brand/product? This is so confusing!

TIPSIO• 1 year ago

I think it's safe to say don't use Windsurf. There are so many other options.

bicx3• 1 year ago

Unfortunately this seems to be true. I like Windsurf, but these days I just use it as a harness for running Claude Code while still retaining decent code completions.

oytis4• 1 year ago

The talent stays with Devin. Google has got the CEO. Not sure why they need a CEO, maybe Pichai wants to retire

rvz2• 1 year ago

Must have been acquired for an extreme discount far from the $3B offer from OpenAI and Windsurf's (alleged) valuation of $1.3BN.

Cognition being worth $4B with Devin being raced to zero by Claude Code also undercutting both Windsurf and Cursor have a very steep hill to climb.

Having both Devin and Windsurf will just make them raise more money as they burn through their operational costs.

seatac762• 1 year ago

Google already paid $2.4B out of the $3B OpenAI deal, to what I imagine is Cognition now. Cognition must have spent low 100s of Millions max.

xnx10• 1 year ago

Google already paid $2.4B

This is unclear. $2.4B was for licensing and compensation. Why would Google have agreed to pay any significant amount to the Windsurf leftovers?

klohto• 1 year ago

Having been acquired by Google, there is always a leeway for the execs to take the employees with them. Google is a weak negotiator when they NEED something.

On the other hand, I can imagine the execs taking Google golden handcuffs while trying to close the Cognition deal so the employees are made whole or maybe even on better terms than if they all went to Google.

isodev2• 1 year ago

I’m really confused now. Also, is there really that much of a transformative difference between Windsurf and say OpenAI/Claude etc to warrant this crazy valuations?

xnx10• 1 year ago

crazy valuations

I haven't seen anything to indicate what was paid for what's left of Windsurf.

isodev2• 1 year ago

I was also referring to the $2.5B Google paid. I can’t imagine what could possibly be the value they’re hoping to get

guluarte2• 1 year ago

I'm also confused why Devin is worth billions

yoyohello13• 1 year ago

For real. According to the marketing material. Couldn’t Devon just whip up a windsurf competitor in minutes?

codingwagie• 1 year ago

the founder went to harvard, is basically the answer

anticensor• 1 year ago

Devin's whole business model is predicated upon replacing programmers with minimum wage AI agents.

koakuma-chan2• 1 year ago

Who decides for much a company is worth?

alwinaugustin• 1 year ago

I use cursor

seatac762• 1 year ago

I hope Windsurf employees made some money in this whole kerfuffle. Would be terrible if they got left out of the payday.

xnx10• 1 year ago

The ones that went to Google did! I don't know if the remaining employees are getting anything out of this acquisition.

bradly• 1 year ago

Very clearly called out in the article:

  > To that end, Jeff and I worked together to ensure that every single employee is treated with respect and well taken care of in this transaction. Specifically:
  >    100% of Windsurf employees will participate financially in this deal
  >    100% of Windsurf employees will have vesting cliffs waived for their work to date
  >    100% of Windsurf employees will receive fully accelerated vesting for their work to date

asadotzler5• 1 year ago

Not clearly called out. That call out is as clear as mud. We have no idea how much if any money the left behind employees will get and it's almost certainly far less than they would have got if their execs had held out for a deal that benefited everyone instead of their selfish and damaging to the entire startup ecosystem deal with Google.

jspann• 1 year ago

100% of Windsurf employees will participate financially in this deal
100% of Windsurf employees will have vesting cliffs waived for their work to date
100% of Windsurf employees will receive fully accelerated vesting for their work to date

This sounds like a happy ending for the employees of Windsurf and a good deal for Cognition

xnx10• 1 year ago

I'm not so sure. No telling what the purchase price was.

handfuloflight5• 1 year ago

Or how much of it is in Cognition stock.

krasin• 1 year ago

This sounds like a happy ending for the employees of Windsurf and a good deal for Cognition

The employees were robbed from having a big cash exit. Illiquid stock options from Windsurf were converted to illiquid stock options of Devin.

What's worse is that the well is now poisoned. I would advise against joining startups from now on, because I think that there's no upside for employees anymore.

frankfrank132• 1 year ago

I don't think so. If your shares dropped 90% overnight you wouldn't be excited to have your vesting cliff waived

whamlastxmas3• 1 year ago

Are the cliffs waived or accelerated? Makes me not trust this

carimura• 1 year ago

"work to" is key.. sounds like they aren't fully accelerating, just accelerating the time they worked that hasn't vested. So if you were hired a week ago, you get a week's worth of participation.

bravetraveler• 1 year ago

"Devin's on first" just doesn't work the same

vouaobrasil2• 1 year ago

I wonder if we'll ever stop to ask ourselves if faster and faster output of software is actually a good thing for the world. Or will we just continue because it's just what we do nowadays in civilization to get ahead?

hollowturtle• 1 year ago

ahead of what? ahead of generating ugly and mostly usable masks over the same data. I'm in favor of AI but it seems to me that no one really stopped asking himself what real problems people have and how to actually fix them

Imustaskforhelp2• 1 year ago

I think so but not for the reason that you think.

See, most closed source software really just pisses me off of ideological reasons, I just like to tinker with things and just having the possibility to do so by being provided the source code really helps my mind feel happy I guess.

So I "vibe coded" a game that I used to play and some projects that I was curious about and I just wanted to tinker too. sure the game and code have bugs.

Also with the help of AI, I feel like I can tinker about things that I don't know too much about and get a decent distance ahead. You might think that I am an AI advocate by reading this comment, but quite the contrary, I personally think that this is the only positive quality that AI helped in quite substantially.

But at what cost? The job market has sunk a large hole and nobody's hiring the junior devs because everybody feels better doing some AI deals than hiring junior devs.

My hunch is that senior devs are extremely in demand and are paid decently and so will retire on average early too. Then, there would be a huge gap b/w senior and juniors, because nobody's hiring the junior engineers now, so who will become the senior engineers if nobody got hired in the first place. I really hope that most companies actually realize that the AI game is quite a funny game really, most companies are too invested into it to realize that really, open source AI will catch up and there is just no moat with AI and building with AI or just doing stuff with AI isn't that meaningfully significant as they think it is as shown by recent studies.

gtsop2• 1 year ago

that senior devs are extremely in demand

Is this true? I am not seeing salaries rising, the demand seems to be met. But maybe I'm wrong.

ecto• 1 year ago

A lot of people are asking that question, and the answer is emphatically yes. All improvements to the human condition are rooted in technology, and software is technology. Who's to say the latest advancements aren't some tech tree precursor to cure an ailment impacting millions - how could you argue against that? The genie is out of the bottle.

vouaobrasil2• 1 year ago

how could you argue against that?

I would argue against it if the downside is even more technological enslavement for billions.

And while many improvements to the human condition are rooted in technology, many of the problems of humanity are rooted in it as well. There might very well be an optimal point that we've already past.

xnx10• 1 year ago

Sounds like one of those "Two turkeys don't make an eagle." situations.

agigao• 1 year ago

Devin/Cognition?

All right, cancelled.

markbao• 1 year ago

Edit: nvm, see replies

TZubiri• 1 year ago

I think google is buying windsurf, they are leaving 100% of assets and some employees, and windsurf is buying that 100m in assets + taking the leftover employee liability.

Microsoft poached the talent, devin Co. Picks up the scraps

hadlock• 1 year ago

"Acquiring" is often synonymous with "merger". Technically the surviving company acquires the other, but effectively it's a merger. Not always, but it's not uncommon to see two weaker companies merge in a competitive landscape to survive. It also counts as a liquidity event allowing employees some financial levers.

muzz• 1 year ago

But these seem to be two well-funded companies? I.e. both with $100M+ funding within the last 12 months

xnx10• 1 year ago

How does this transaction make sense?

The fact that it doesn't make sense with those numbers almost surely indicates those numbers are misleading.

Google paid a $2.4 billion licensing fee

This is the reported number for licensing and compensation, but who knows what the terms really were.

Cognition’s valuation is $4 billion

Doubtful

john_moscow• 1 year ago

They probably got what got left of it in a cashless deal. Basically, the shareholders got to exchange X shares in a fatally wounded company into Y shares in a still-alive startup. The economic sense depends on the ratio between X and Y, but if the board was close to panicking due to recent events, Cognition probably got a good deal.

aiCodeMonkey2• 1 year ago

Uhh so where does the 2.4B go to? For the "licensing" rights but without equity to Windsurf? Does the whole 2.4B get distributed amongst the talent that Google acquired or is it shared amongst all Windsurf employees?

asadotzler5• 1 year ago

Windsurf employees left behind by their executives get none of that Google money. It went to the selfish exec team and a few top employees that abandoned their teams and projects for Google's cash, and what didn't go to those selfish jerks went to Windsurf's investors. The rank and file that were abandoned by their leadership got totally screwed. Startup executives will never again be trusted to deal fairly with the people who spend their opportunity trying to make that particular startup work rather than some other, or simply going to work for an incumbent. This deal probably did more damage to the tech startup ecosystem than anything I've seen in my 25 years in Silicon Valley.

aiCodeMonkey2• 1 year ago

did the team that joined deepmind forfeit their equity or will the cognition acquisition basically allow them to get a double payout from their equity?

dang• 1 year ago

Recent and related:

OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44536988 - July 2025 (679 comments))

Attended Windsurf's Build Night 18 hours before founders joined Google DeepMind - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44539884 - July 2025 (1 comment)

jsemrau• 1 year ago

Cognition also works with Goldman Sachs now.

amanleenp• 1 year ago

Wait, is this final? Has Cursor or Augment Code or the next big Coding Assistant made their offer already?

sergiotapia• 1 year ago

I totally missed the puck with this one. There was a time where Cursor did not have the agent feel of a true AI pair-programming buddy. Windsurf had that magical aspect, and I totally thought they would destroy Cursor. But it took Cursor about 2 weeks by my recollection to add agent mode, and ultimately I went back to Cursor because of their better WSL2 integration.

For those brief 2 weeks, Windsurf felt like the SOTA tool. Crazy how the winds change.

joshgachnang2• 1 year ago

Same experience. I was using Windsurf for a couple of weeks, but felt like the editor wasn't as nice to use as Cursor, so features an agent could handle went to Windsurf and pair coding was more with Cursor. Once Cursor got agent mode, I haven't really touched Windsurf.

Feels like a new SOTA tool every couple weeks. Heck, the post below this is about a new agentic IDE.

bluelightning2k3• 1 year ago

As someone who stuck with it - it's good. And it's not actually just a thin wrapper. Their tab model is really, really good now (I think that was Cursor's big advantage for a long time). And they also price very fairly (read: heavily subsidized, minus Claude).

_jab• 1 year ago

Let this be a learning lesson in judging these deals based on partial information. Kudos to the Google, Windsurf, and Cognition teams for keeping all of these deals under wraps until announcement (OpenAI could learn something...), but even so it's likely that we the public will never learn every detail of what transpired. I've seen a lot of harsh, misguided takes over the past few days, like that the Windsurf founders screwed over their employees, or that OpenAI reneged on the deal. In this case, this seems like a happy ending for all parties involved: congrats to the Windsurf team!

objclxt• 1 year ago

I've seen a lot of harsh, misguided takes over the past few days, like that the Windsurf founders screwed over their employees [...] In this case, this seems like a happy ending for all parties involved

There is no evidence at all in the announcement that is the case. It just says "100% of Windsurf employees will participate financially in this deal". What "participate financially" looks like is not elaborated upon.

It is possible you're right. It's also equally possible that the founders have still screwed over their employees, we just don't know. Nothing in this post supports either position.

no_wizard• 1 year ago

It is possible you're right. It's also equally possible that the founders have still screwed over their employees, we just don't know. Nothing in this post supports either position.

In the lack of evidence, its okay to assume the most likely scenario, which is the executives & shareholders will make out like bandits and everyone else is likely to at best, get pennies.

akavi2• 1 year ago

If my understanding is correct, this is still a much worse deal for employees than if Windsurf's exec team had negotiated a "standard" "accelerated vesting, common conversion" acquisition with Google.

Presumably the "payout" from Cognition is at a lower nominal value and in illiquid (and IMO overvalued) shares in Cognition rather than cash.

drew-y• 1 year ago

OpenAI could learn something...

Did OpenAI ever actually announce anything publicly regarding a potential windsurf acquisition?

AFAICT most of the reporting was based on rumors or leaks. But they never actually announced an acquisition. Seems like Bloomberg may have made an oopsie here.

BiggerChungus• 1 year ago

You're talking like the founders orchestrated this deal to cognition all along.

that's absolutely not the case. they ejected and the remaining executive team dealt with the sale over the weekend.

t0mas88• 1 year ago

I can't imagine this deal was done over just the weekend. It takes time to set this up, check the financials etc.

stefan_• 1 year ago

Kudos to the Google, Windsurf, and Cognition teams for keeping all of these deals under wraps until announcement

Geez is the cognitive distortion field active again? Even Grok could figure this one out.

conartist62• 1 year ago

I hit myself in the head as hard as I could without causing permanent damage

gtsop2• 1 year ago

Care to explain? I am honestly clueless

conartist62• 1 year ago

I don't even remember anymore. I guess hitting myself in the head worked..?

But in general my reason for hitting myself in the head is that I'm an IDE author and people keep tripping over themselves to place great value on forks of VSCode

gsibble• 1 year ago

This is fantastic news. Especially the way they are structuring the equity payout.

gigatexal• 1 year ago

Will the remaining employees not bought out and brought over to Microsoft get a windfall in this deal even if they’re stakes haven’t vested?

ls_stats• 1 year ago

Isn't Devin AI basically a scam, selling an "AI Software Engineer" when no such thing exists.

joshgachnang2• 1 year ago

We're using it consistently to put out (albeit smaller) features.

mindwok• 1 year ago

Any examples? Curious what you let it rip on and what it can actually do.

Buttons840• 1 year ago

Hello Cognition AI,

My name is Devin; it has been for many decades now. I'm embarrassed to see you've named your product after me. It has already prompted uncomfortable jokes at my expense, and I'm sure there will be more. I now have newfound empathy for people named Alexa.

For instance, people have made jokes about my name in interviews, and it's embarrassing for me, and thus awkward for everyone, and awkward interactions make it objectively less likely that I will get job offers.

I don't think any product should be named after people. Please change the name of Devin.

throwawaysleep• 1 year ago

Plenty of men would love to have their name be a euphemism for eroticism.

handfuloflight5• 1 year ago

Meanwhile, Claudes are getting ahead!

bluelightning2k3• 1 year ago

Reading this made me wish I hadn't named my son Windsurf

OccamsMirror4• 1 year ago

Apart from this news I haven't heard about Devin in a long time. Not since the very start of the AI hype. Considering how foolish a purchase this seems to be I don't think you're going to have to worry about them Bogarting your name for too much longer.

kubb3• 1 year ago

Unpopular, controversial take: there should be an LSP extension that lets CLI agents, like Claude Code show diffs in the editor, and also one for completions, and sending snippets back to the CLI.

That, by itself, would obliterate the entire value of Windsurf or Cursor or whatever. The fact that Google has this kind of money and spends it on dubious "talent" (though none of these people are known in the community) is a testament to how overfunded tech companies are compared to the value that they provide.

abletonlive3• 1 year ago

"overfunded" is a weird way to talk about a tech company that is incredibly profitable.

margalabargala3• 1 year ago

Revenue is a funding source. Companies with too much money sometimes made really dumb decisions with that money.

The fact that one division of Google is wildly profitable does not exempt other parts of the company from criticism of their financially dubious choices.

brulard3• 1 year ago

It is known there were many developers without really much work to do that were hired only to be denied to competitors. Maybe it was cleaned up in the meantime

kubb3• 1 year ago

It's fair to suggest a different word or phrasing, but you're coming off as hostile, not constructive.

barbazoo2• 1 year ago

That, by itself, would obliterate the entire value of Windsurf or Cursor or whatever.

Have used Cursor and I know that there is quite a bit of value between the model and the chat input box and it will be similar to Claude Code or Codex, it's what makes this agentic, it's just accessed through a different interface. So from that perspective, Cursor makes sense for folks that are already in the VSCode environment.

brulard3• 1 year ago

On the contrary, I'm already in the VSCode environment and I would hate to have to switch to Cursor. Doesn't matter that it is a fork, I don't want a fork for every extension of my workflow. I used Cline and now Claude code integrated to VSCode, and I don't think I'm missing much by not switching to Cursor.

retinaros• 1 year ago

Windsurf is the first company that moved from IDE to training and trained good models. Unfortunately in code good models are not enough to win against claude 4. Any wrapper constraining the model is also doomed to fail.

d1egoaz• 1 year ago

This already exists via MCP

For other IDEs: The protocol is editor-agnostic. Any editor that can run a WebSocket server and implement the MCP tools can integrate with Claude Code.

https://github.com/anthropics/claude-code/issues/1234 https://github.com/coder/claudecode.nvim/blob/da78309eaa2ca2...

Example in Emacs, this is how I use claude-code: https://github.com/manzaltu/claude-code-ide.el

kubb3• 1 year ago

This is great!

joe_the_user2• 1 year ago

Unpopular, controversial take...

Could you please avoid juicing a random comment this way?

HenriNext• 1 year ago

Claude Code can already show diffs in JetBrains IDEs and VSCode ('/ide' command connects the CLI/TUI to plugin/extension running in the IDE-side).

It can also access the IDEs' real-time errors and warnings, not just compile output ('ideDiagnostics' tool), see your active editor selection, cursor position, etc.

cbsmith• 1 year ago

Except the Windsurf team is already moving in that direction...

csomar3• 1 year ago

There is MCP-LSP and Context7.

I use Rust and found it's better to let the AI hallucinate function names, then let the compiler correct them. Rust's compiler is significantly better than TypeScript's at this, so it works well.

bananapub4• 1 year ago

there should be an LSP extension that lets CLI agents, like Claude Code show diffs in the editor, and also one for completions, and sending snippets back to the CLI.

aren't you reviewing diffs in whatever diff tool you like? I find magit to be superlative for this (and for correcting and committing things).

closeparen• 1 year ago

There should be an LSP integration that lets Cursor look up symbols and definitions the same way I do, instead of trying and failing to use grep / its fuzzy vector index thing!

cshores2• 1 year ago

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m3kw9• 1 year ago

To be fair OpenAI didn’t screw windsurf yet. Or did they

cshores2• 1 year ago

Windsurf screwed OpenAI from the sound of it.

tomhow• 1 year ago

Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.

827a• 1 year ago

Does anyone actually use Windsurf? I know a ton of people on Cursor, Cline, Roo, Claude Code... but zero people in my engineering circles have even mentioned trying Windsurf.

herval• 1 year ago

For me it was substantially better than Cursor. Their RAG/code indexing/whatever implementation is better (Cursor seems to completely fall apart on larger codebases, unless you keep a very detailed cursorrules file). The cmd+tab was also substantially better. Plus it's cheaper than using Cline.

But with all this changing of hands, I'm not sure I can trust it going forward at all, so I guess it's back to looking for alternatives.

thenaturalist2• 1 year ago

It has been my go to IDE over all others.

They had released their own model which was free and good enough a couple of weeks back.

Obviously will need to look for alternatives.

lqstuart2• 1 year ago

I tried it once and couldn’t understand why it exists. Neither windsurf nor cursor seem to offer anything Cline doesn’t, and the real Microsoft developed tools like Pylance are also broken and can’t be replaced with shitty AI.

pplante• 1 year ago

I was using Windsurf in Pycharm, until I switched to Claude Code / Gemini CLI last week. I am also finding that Copilot with Sonnet 4 is pretty on par to Windsurf.

williamzeng03• 1 year ago

https://sweep.dev/ is better than Copilot/Windsurf in PyCharm (disclaimer I am one of the founders)

lqstuart2• 1 year ago

Windsurf already had sold their code and most of their devs to DeepMind. The company is worthless, idk what Devin thinks they’re buying.

thenaturalist2• 1 year ago

Clearly you are more informed wrt to remaining IP and talent than the CEO of Devin.

Clearly.

kamhh94• 1 year ago

What a thoughtfully written letter. You have to respect great leaders when they communicate in this eloquent, respectful manner.

pm90• 1 year ago

I think the amount of turmoil around these deals is giving more weight to the possibility that we’re in a massive bubble thats quite divorced from any kind of fundamentals. Sooner or later the bubbles gonna burst.

ch4s3• 1 year ago

Yeah, I wonder if there are parallels to server-less tools of a few years ago.

yomismoaqui• 1 year ago

Remember that the web also had a bubble that popped and look at where are we now with Google, Amazon, Meta...

I think that there is a bubble but it's shaped more like the web bubble and less like the crypto bubble.

theappsecguy• 1 year ago

“Web” is such a broad category. Quite a leap from LLM wrappers.

macNchz• 1 year ago

As with any investing there's a risk appetite/timescale component to thinking about this stuff. Lots of companies went to zero in the dot-com bubble. Even Amazon was down over 90% between the end of 1999 and late 2001, and took until 2007 to recover to its high. NASDAQ overall took 15 years to return to its March 2000 high. Some incredible returns to be had if you waited it all out, to be sure, but it's hard to know what the interim looks like.

Yizahi2• 1 year ago

Yeah, only those evolved a lot from the initial products everyone hyped and products people hyped in 2000 are extinct or free. And I still don't understand where Facebook makes money. :)

Regarding LLMs there are two concerns - current products don't have any killer feature to lock in customers, so people can easily jump ship. And diminishing returns, if there won't be a clear progress with models, then free/small, maybe even local models will fill most of people needs.

People are speculating that even OAI is burning more money than they make, it's hard to say what will happen if customer churn will increase. Like for example me - I never paid for LLMs specifically, and didn't use them in any major way, but I used free Claude for testing how it works, maybe incorporating in the workflow. I may transitioned to the paid tier in the future. But recently someone noted that Google cloud storage includes "free" Gemini Pro and I've switched to it, because why not, I'm already paying for the storage part. And there was nothing keeping me with Anthropic. Actually that name alone is revolting imo. I wrote this as an example that when monsters like Google or Microsoft or Apple would start bundling their solutions (and advertise them properly, unlike Google), then specialized companies including OAI will feel very very bad, with their insane expenses and investments.

meta_ai_x4• 1 year ago

The dot-com was a bubble because investors pulled money and belief at the first sign of trouble.

The landscape has changed dramatically now. Investors and VCs have learnt if we stick with winners and growth companies, the payoffs are massive.

We also have more automatic, retail and foreign money flowing into the market. Buy the dip is a phenomenon that didn't exist at the scale it is now.

Pre-2015 if Big Money pulled out, the market was guaranteed to fail, but now retailers sometimes have longer views and belief (on people like Musk, Altman) than institutions and they continue to prop it.

So, it's foolish to apply 2000 parallels to now. Yes, history repeats, but doesn't with the exact time or price points

shortrounddev23• 1 year ago

Investors and VCs have learnt

lol. Investors and VCs have no idea what they're doing

asadotzler5• 1 year ago

It is foolish to compare to the dot com boom and bust. At least when that bubble burst we still had the global broadband internet that it built. When this bubble bursts, we'll have next to nothing to show for it.

alfalfasprout2• 1 year ago

OP didn't reference the dot-com bubble though...

cakeface• 1 year ago

dot-com bubble companies were not good companies. They either built something that was not novel so it could be copied, or had insufficient value to monetize. We'll see the same with current AI.

Similar to the invention of the web, AI is not a bubble. Real value has been created.

qwytw• 1 year ago

Also there are no early IPOs. Very few people can buy stocks in these companies which changes the dynamics significantly. Note sure what's the point of talking about the stock market this much when for almost everyone the only way to get any exposureis through Nvidia or other hardware companies and maybe MS/Google/AWS.

Investors and VCs have learnt if we stick with winners and growth companies, the payoffs are massive.

Well... yes and no. 2021 wasn't that long ago.

So, it's foolish to apply 2000 parallels to now

The stock market and other financial stuff is of course different. The fundamental trend not necessarily though. It took awhile for anyone to figure out how to directly build a highly profitable internet based business back then for AI it seems more or less the same so far.

wmf2• 1 year ago

How about that Anthropic revenue though.

burnte• 1 year ago

I've begun to think some bubbles are good for the economy overall. In the dotcom days anyone with an idea and a domain name could get funding. I myself worked for a company that nabbed 7x more funding than needed but still failed due to poor leadership. I had reservations about the founder but thought I could help drive things, but he was even more absent than I ever anticipated.

A lot of VCs and PEs lost a lot of money during the crash. This means a lot of capital was spent in the economy, generating a lot of good activity, and the companies that failed then also put a lot more capital back into the economy through bankruptcies. Other businesses can pick up talent, IP, and assets for cheap, and everyone can learn from the failures. While losing that money isn't great for VCs, what they got was a very valuable education to be better stewards of their investments, and pick better companies. The next rounds of companies have to hit metrics, milestones, have to prove their value, etc.

Never waste a perfectly good crisis: learn if nothing else.

NewLogic2• 1 year ago

Good point, it transfers capital from the investor class to the working class.

nikcub• 1 year ago

divorced from any kind of fundamentals

Anthropic ARR went $1B -> $4B in the first half of this year. They're getting my $200 a month and it's easily the best money I spend. There's definitely something there.

benjaminwootton• 1 year ago

I’ve always dwelled over $5 a month subscriptions for iPhone apps due to subscription fatigue. I find myself signing up for $200 AI subscriptions without a moments hesitation.

ironmagma• 1 year ago

Or so you think..

[1] https://metr.org/blog/2025-07-10-early-2025-ai-experienced-o...

[2] https://futurism.com/companies-fixing-ai-replacement-mistake...

hugs2• 1 year ago

I'm easily getting $10K/month of value from my Anthropic subscription. (Rough estimate of how much I would have paid someone else to create the things I've (co)created with Claude Code so far.) If this is a bubble, I just hope I can finish all the projects I want to finish before it pops (or before they raise their prices to $9K/month because they read this comment.)

alecco• 1 year ago

Agree. But I think Anthropic is the outlier. Maybe ElevenLabs, too.

cootsnuck• 1 year ago

They're still gonna be an estimated $3 billion in the hole though. Jury still out of there is really "something there".

logsr• 1 year ago

growing ARR is easy when you are selling dollars for cents. people hyping ARR as an meaningful investment indicator are a dead giveaway that we are in fact in a bubble.

Keyframe• 1 year ago

For sure, but then again - Nvidia $4T?! I can't shake the feeling though that with Nvidia we're looking at another Sun type of situation from _the bubble_. Remember the dot in dot com?

hn_throwaway_993• 1 year ago

"Sooner or later the bubble's gonna burst" and "There's definitely something there" aren't mutually exclusive - in fact they often go together.

It makes me perhaps a little sad to say that "I'm showing my age" by bringing up the .com boom/bust, but this feels exactly the same. The late 90s/early 00s were the dawn of the consumer Internet, and all of that tech vastly changed global society and brought you companies like Google and Amazon. It also brought you Pets.com, Webvan, and the bajillion other companies chronicled in "Fucked Company".

You mention Anthropic, which I think is in a good a position as any to be one of the winners. I'm much less convinced about tons of the others. Look at Cursor - they were a first moving leader, but I know tons of people (myself included) who have cancelled their subscription because there are now better options.

dom96• 1 year ago

I pay $0 and that's already enough for me. Genuinely, what are you getting for your $200? I cannot fathom paying that much for what seems like I get basically for free anyway.

tekawade• 1 year ago

Genuinely curious for the value add with Claude code here. Some perspective and/or data is appreciated.

zaphirplane• 1 year ago

Why are you paying for that? Are you employed as a dev and paying out of your pocket or are you a hobbyist or ?

babyshake• 1 year ago

The big question is to what extent they hit a plateau and are commoditized. What happens when there is a fully open stack that gets Claude Code level results but at a fraction of the cost? Not saying that will happen, but that seems to be the scenario for a bubble bursting.

v5v32• 1 year ago

Unless they are paying annually, the next big thing could see those $200 a month premium users gone.

westoque• 1 year ago

They're getting my $200 a month and it's easily the best money I spend

Can you explain? I don't see how $200 makes that much difference than what I get from paying $20/month with OpenAI? What's the use case?

999900000999• 1 year ago

Microsoft is obviously the elephant in the room.

I decide to try out the agent built into VS Code. It basically matches most of these fly by night "agent" ides which are mostly just VS Code forks anyway.

But it's weird. Because Microsoft can use Anthropic's API, funnel them revenue and take a loss on Copilot.

We're all getting this stuff heavily subsidized by either VC money or big corp money.

Microsoft can eat billions in losses on this if they become *the* provider of choice.

This stuff isn't perfect, but this is the worst it'll ever be. In 2 years it'll be able to replace many of us.

csomar3• 1 year ago

1. If you're maxing out your subscription, they're burning money on you.

2. They don't have a moat. DeepSeek and Kimi are already good enough to destroy any high margins they're hoping to generate from compute.

Just because something is highly useful doesn't mean it's highly profitable. Water is essential to life, but it's dirt cheap in most of the world. Same goes for food.

rsynnott2• 1 year ago

Economic bubbles _usually_ aren't based on things which are entirely worthless; there's generally _something_ there (just not enough something to sustain the valuations). There are exceptions (NFTs, arguably cryptocurrency as a whole, and of course tulips), but those _are_ the exceptions.

Lalabadie• 1 year ago

The bubble isn't the value available to buyers, it's the x00% multiplier created by speculation.

freejazz4• 1 year ago

Yeah, the difference between the "something there" and the $4b valuation is the bubble.

__loam• 1 year ago

It's so funny to see people in this industry get super excited about revenue while never mentioning costs.

beefnugs• 1 year ago

So how much is it worth? what if it balloons to 5x the amount? what if "they" just decide this is too powerful so only corporate accounts worth $xx,000 a month, and plebs get limited per month for $x,000?

lvl155• 1 year ago

Not in a bubble yet. Wait till your aunt takes out a second mortgage to chase NVDA stock to the moon. My guess is this will continue until later this decade with some bumps in between. That said, it’s absurd these guys are paying people so much money for what I think amounts to being context management off of some markdowns.

dustingetz• 1 year ago

it’s not bubble so much as urgency, the trillion dollar club are pricing in the risk of losing their position

massimosgrelli• 1 year ago

Yes and no. Are AI companies overvalued? Yes. Will most of them crash and burn? Yes, they will. Are the words "intelligence" or "reasoning" misused? Absolutely. Nonetheless, nobody can deny that some of these tools are useful and have demonstrated they can generate revenue like no other tool, app, or device before. There is something different from the dot-com bubble; many barriers have come down since 2000. Everyone can be connected 24/7 for a few tens of dollars a month. People trust the internet as a medium to perform transactions and access data. The real bubble is in the private market valuations, especially in the pre-seed stage. Many young entrepreneurs don't understand that raising their first round at $30M, $50M, or even $100M post-money will put a heavy weight on their shoulders approaching the Series A. Raising a funding round is a promise you make to the market. Increasingly high expectations will burn many wanna be entrepreneurs whose contribution to make things better for everyone will be lost forever. I'm deeply convinced that the reality check for all those companies is the public market, and in today's world, you can't go public after 3-5 years if your initial valuation has been built on a 20-year-long promise. All the trillion-dollar companies we know today went public a few years after their creation: Apple, Google, Microsoft, NVIDIA, etc. OpenAI, Anthropic, and Cursor are black swans, not evidence of the power law.

cma• 1 year ago

No, MS went public in 1986, so more than a decade there.

lowsong• 1 year ago

the possibility that we’re in a massive bubble thats quite divorced from any kind of fundamentals

I'm astounded that anyone still genuinely believes we're not in a massive bubble. Of course AI company CEOs are going to say we're not and that AGI is just around the corner, it's deeply in their financial interest to keep inflating the bubble as long as possible.

mark_l_watson3• 1 year ago

Of course we are in a massive bubble. At least in the US where I live, everything is about driving short term profits, with less than a little thought to what is good for the non-special interests/insider class.

I have lived and worked through two previous ‘AI winters’ and I expect the current bubble to eventually pop in a dramatic way. There will be good things produced by AI, but I am skeptical of the panic FOMO rush to AGI or super intelligence.

Look at the process of shifting manufacturing out of the USA: that was all about driving extreme wealth for special interest insiders. Sadly, most people look to their particular little political party for some form of relief - how is that working out?

crowcroft• 1 year ago

Bubble or not these kinds of deals could put a chill on the tech startup sector as well.

Things move fast in tech because there isn't nearly as much red tape and litigation as there are in other mature industries. This is because there's an agreed 'way of doing things'. Take funding, grow like crazy, sell/merge or IPO. Everyone wins or loses together (even if things are stacked in favour for some over others).

Once trust in this process is broken and founders or VCs start stacking the deck in their favour the game becomes rigged to the point where other people don't want to play anymore. Once that trust is gone red tape and litigation appears.

bilater• 1 year ago

The problem you don't know which innings we are on and it may very well be the 4th/5th. More often than not you lose more by not participating in the run up and waiting for the collapse. I'd rather ride the wave (as intelligently as I can) than be on the sidelines just so I can say I told ya so.

frankfrank132• 1 year ago

Two products that nobody uses, together at last

rwyinuse• 1 year ago

I don't see a justification for high valuations of companies that aim to build an "AI Software engineer". If something like Devin really succeeds, then anyone can use their product to simply build their own competing AI engineer. There's no moat, it's just another LLM wrapper SaaS.

ar_lan• 1 year ago

This is my exact takeaway too, and I'm always surprised it doesn't get mentioned often. If AI is truly groundbreaking, then shouldn't AI be able to re-implement itself? Which, to me, would imply that every AI company is not only full of software devs cannibalizing themselves, but the companies themselves also are.

SJC_Hacker8• 1 year ago

This is my watershed for true AGI. It should be able to create a smarter version of itself.

Last I checked, feeding the output of an LLM back into its training data leads to a progressively worse LLM. (Note I'm not talking about distillation, which involves training a smaller model, by sacrificing accuracy. I'm referring to an equal or greater number of model parameters)

adamoshadjivas• 1 year ago

I don't see this. The ai software engineer that succeeds, maybe it's because of a mixture of very complicated architecture derived from novel research etc. You can't replicate that with just hiring more human engineers, it takes time and effort and elite hiring. Plus enterprise support etc.

Devin etc will give you let's say 10x more engineering power, but not necessarily elite one.

UltraSane• 1 year ago

This is true for LLMs themselves. If a new LLM is really better than all the other ones then it can be used to help improve other LLMs.

SJC_Hacker8• 1 year ago

Is it? Last I checked when you trained an LLM on another's output, at best you got the same performance as the original, and it was more likely you significantly degraded usefulness. (I'm not talking about distillation, where that tradeoff is known in return for a smaller, more efficient parameter set)

alfalfasprout2• 1 year ago

Yep. The reality is folks building these types of companies are trying to get acquired as quickly as possible before the house of cards fall. This has led to a huge speculative rush of acquisitions to avoid FOMO later.

The technology is nowhere close to what they're hoping for and incremental progress isn't getting us there.

If we get true AGI agents, anyone can also build a multi-billion dollar tech companies on the cheap.

4dm1r4lg3n3r4l• 1 year ago

If we get true AGI agents, anyone can also build a multi-billion dollar tech companies on the cheap.

That's not how the economy works...

taejavu• 1 year ago

There are any number of tools that already make that promise. Turns out it’s still hard to complete projects and bring them to market.

swyx• 1 year ago

i advise you to not take marketing lines too literally and be so casually dismissive as a result. you will miss a lot of good investments and startups this way and (worse) be lulled into a false sense of comfort and security.

Hansenq2• 1 year ago

This is the logical, satisfying, and probably best conclusion to an un-ideal and optically terrible situation all parties were placed in.

First, OpenAI wanted to acquire Windsurf. Terrific move! Win-win for OpenAI (who needs more AI product) and Windsurf (for the deal price). But this fell apart because Windsurf didn't want the IP to go to Microsoft (which imo should not have been not a big deal, especially if you knew what would have happened next). Big loss for all parties for this to have fallen apart.

My biggest question still is why not continue on as an independent company? Perhaps losing access to Claude doomed signups; perhaps employees/investors had a taste of an exit and still wanted it; perhaps due to fiduciary duty to maximize returns; perhaps their growth stalled due to the announcement? In any case, the founders got a similarly equivalent deal from Google, and were arguably wise to pursue it.

But Google's Corp Dev team here is the most maddening. Why not fully acquire the entire company, instead of doing the same "acquihire and license" deal that was done to Character AI, Adept, Scale, etc.? Risk of FTC antitrust review is a thing, but Google's not even competitive in the coding market, so I doubt there is a review (though I do hear that all acquisitions by large tech companies these days are reviewed by default). If there's anyone to blame in this situation, it's the FTC and Google for pursuing this strategy, instead of a full acquisition. Win-win for Google (for the team) and Windsurf (for getting a similar acquisition price, but liquid!).

Imo, the founders did a good job ensuring that close to the $3B acquisition price was reflected in the $2.5B Google deal--all existing investors and vested employee/equity holders are paid out; the company also retained $100M which was suspiciously similar to the amount needed to pay out all unvested employee/equity holders [1]. So theoretically the remaining company could pay accelerate vesting, then pay out the cash to their remaining employees, and then shut down, to give everyone the same exit as an acquisition, or better. This might have been the best scenario, because the brand damage to Windsurf as an IDE that happened over the weekend was pretty close to unrecoverable for them as an independent company.

But instead, the company leadership decided to field acquisition offers for the remaining company and IP, and got one from Cognition. (I'm actually surprised this acquisition isn't under FTC review; it's more plainly an agentic coding company acquiring a competitor agentic coding company). In taking the offer, it reinforces that the Windsurf IDE will continue to exist, that they have a R&D team backing the IDE again, and can marry Windsurf's enterprise sales chops with Cognition's product [3]. Win-win for both Cognition and Windsurf.

So overall, win-win-win all around, except for OpenAI, Varun's public reputation (imo, undeserved), and startups hiring employees (who might think they might not get a proper exit) [2].

[1] https://x.com/haridigresses/status/1944406541064433848

[2] https://stratechery.com/2025/google-and-windsurf-stinky-deal...

[3] https://x.com/russelljkaplan/status/1944845868273709520

Graphon12• 1 year ago

-all existing investors and vested employee/equity holders are paid out;

But the statement from Cognition was:

  >    100% of Windsurf employees will participate financially in this deal
  >    100% of Windsurf employees will have vesting cliffs waived for their work to date
  >    100% of Windsurf employees will receive fully accelerated vesting for their work to date

The details matter. "vesting cliffs waived" meaning what? Windsurf shares exchanged for Cognition shares? at what ratio?

"Participate financially" means what exactly? They could all get a coupon for a free doughnut, and that statement would be true.

I'm not saying the employees are getting nothing, or even a raw deal. I'm saying we have no idea if the deal is good for them, without details.

theoretically the remaining company could pay accelerate vesting, then pay out the cash to their remaining employees, and then shut down, to give everyone the same exit as an acquisition, or better.

unlikely that will happen. More likely the investors and VCs will take the lion's share of the $2.5B, that is what they do. That is why they exist. And they'll distribute as thin a slice as possible to the employees.

Hansenq2• 1 year ago

Historically, when a company gets acquired, the terms of the acquisition vary wildly. Many acquisitions over the past few years have led to a payout of all equity holders, pennies for employees, and layoffs for much of the existing team. This outcome is no worse than an existing acquisition--people just want details because of the new structure. My point is that this is financially no worse than an existing acquisition. It just _feels_ worse because of how it's structured.

And to your last paragraph, read reference [1]. The distribution of that 2.5B is in accordance to the existing cap table; it will make sense once you read that tweet. You must allocate money according to the cap table, and so that allocation is already determined in a company's previous funding rounds.

oytis4• 1 year ago

So the nobility goes to Google and rank and file engineers are subject to consolidation, am I reading this right?

paxys• 1 year ago

"Consolidation" aka "we got the IP we wanted, you are all now redundant"

cheriot2• 1 year ago

Very curious how we'll look back on Google spending 2 billion dollars to "license IP" and hire a handful of people.

If there's 47m software engineers in the world, at $200/month, and 50% gross profit that's a $56 billion TAM. Not crazy to think it's more if we include the adjacent space of analyst roles that write software (sql, advanced excel, etc).

They'll have to crush it to make a $2 billion acquihire look reasonable, but it's possible.

spongebobstoes• 1 year ago

that's not the market they're thinking of, they're thinking of the total amount of money spent on developers per year, globally, and capturing a percentage of that

cheriot2• 1 year ago

Will require a lot of barriers to entry to charge %. Not disagreeing with your statement of their thinking, but will be v surprised if that pans out.

citizenpaul2• 1 year ago

They are doing what they've always done skirting the edges of antitrust laws by buying up competitors before they become competitors so that they can shut them down.

ivape• 1 year ago

It’s more about not getting embarrassed ever again. The breakthrough papers for LLMs came from Google, but not the product. This was embarrassing. Even if you have to spend double on everything from now on you do it, because Google effectively got sucker punched by ChatGPT.

whamlastxmas3• 1 year ago

It’s sad that the organizational failures that led to that embarrassment will definitely not change. Too much eagerness for subjugation

SJC_Hacker8• 1 year ago

I don't think its just SDEs they're targeting.

Basically anyone that inputs and outputs goods which can be digitized. So writers, graphic artists, accountants, legal work, etc.

prakashn27• 1 year ago

I writing this just after the night end llm cannot even replace to using Trans i18n react component if it is not in context of the file. We are still far from agi

wonderwonder• 1 year ago

I've never heard of Cognition (not a slight on them, its just me being disconnected). How much was the deal for and how do they have this type of money? Wasn't there just an article out yesterday or so saying that Windsurf's leadership was going to google?

CSMastermind• 1 year ago

The worst AI coding tool I've tried aquiring the best is interesting.

g42gregory2• 1 year ago

I thought OpenAI already acquired Windsurf for $3BN? And Anthropic refused to give them discounted version of Claude 4 because of that?

xyst• 1 year ago

"Devin" is making itself fatter and prepping itself for another acquisition. Google or MS? Maybe Apple?

The "world-class GTM" is a joke.

vonnik2• 1 year ago

that the founders went one way and the engineers went another suggests a failure of leadership IMHO.

bluelightning2k3• 1 year ago

It's weird being a Windsurf fan on HN. You get the feeling that you're in the minority or doing it wrong because the dialog is dominated by Cursor and (more recently) Claude Code.

It's also been a lot of random stuff recently with their 3 separate Ross and Rachel acquisition storylines.

Some takeaways:

1. Devin/Cognition definitely have a legit AI dev agent now

2. It's crazy what Google passed on. The fact that it was worth it to them without the traditional best assets is wild. Guess that's what happens when you play on ultra hard mode with an infinite money glitch.

3. I am worried/pre-emptively sad that Windsurf will likely go away or get nerfed, more expensive etc.

TiredOfLife2• 1 year ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChatGPTCoding/comments/1m05ar4/it_s...

alittletooraph2• 1 year ago

"If the founder/CEO and best engineers at Windsurf don't believe in that product/company, why should you?"

^ Any company that competes with them could say that and it would create some pause.

DannyBee• 1 year ago

Windsurf is the soham parekh of acquisitions at this point. Is there anyone not acquiring windsurf?

jgalt212• 1 year ago

All these agentic tools are great for Nvidia. They just hoover up tokens like no tomorrow.

greenhat76• 1 year ago

I have been testing Devin for a long time, early access and all. I'm not impressed by it at all, a decent developer with their LLM of choice does a far better job.

deepdarkforest• 1 year ago

I mean isn't that amazing for an 1 year old product? If it's already better than a terrible dev with an LLM, or better than a decent dev without an LLM, it's not hard to imagine in 2-3-5 years Devin is better and cheaper than most hires you could do. Without having to do HR, equity etc.

komali22• 1 year ago

I just started trying out Codeium in Nvim on a recommendation from a video that's like, less than 6 months old. Oops, actually, codeium is Windsurf now. But the tool is still codeium.nvim at least.

I guess it's about to happen again!

i_love_retros• 1 year ago

What a waste of money!

pointmatic2• 1 year ago

Great news...saw Windsurf vibing on YC podcast several months ago...and it's my go-to now. Google Gemini Pro 2.5 works best for me (Python, C++, Fortran).

pointmatic2• 1 year ago

Just finished a weather analytics code translation test from Fortran to C++ and Python. It was simple temperature high/low averaging, so to amp up the processing, I worked with Gemini to add a Monte Carlo simulation for a 7-day weather forecast, and a 2D heat diffusion/advection physics model to calculate the temperatures across a NxN grid over T time divisions.

Cognition (Devin AI) to Acquire Windsurf

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