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Well, that's what I meant by my European coworker - perhaps his country has found a socialist balancing point that maintains a level of capitalism that somehow doesn't tip into power cascades concentrating power around Capital. IMO that wouldn't be a liberal capitalist society though, that would be a socialist-capitalist society, which perhaps the Netherlands and Nordic countries are, I'm not too familiar. With the level of privatization striking Canada, I think it'll end up like the USA.

If we're gonna take a look at places, where I'm really interested in watching is the PRC, Cuba, and Vietnam. Capitalism managed to beat the Soviet Union, will it to any other remainders from the era, or will the conversion to state capitalism create a strange equilibrium? In any case it's not like the PRC is doing much better in terms of worker's rights, you still have to justify your existence through labor there more than you do in the aforementioned Nordic countries.

Personally I'm thinking the solution will be establishing parallel forms of mutual aid and organization with the goal of making the State and capitalism obsolete and moot. Why would I buy food when my neighbors and I grow and share more than enough? A stretch goal but I don't see any other path. At least trying to reach it makes for lots of fun projects like gardening, homelabbing, setting up federated software, etc.

Further reading: Walkaway by Cory Doctorow, The Conquest of Bread by Peter Kropotkin, The Anarchist Cookbook by Keith McHenry (and look into Food not Bombs, Food not Lawns etc while you're at it), and various solarpunk copium like "A Half-Built Garden" by Ruthanna Emrys.

I wrote it, and I invite you to tell me why I'm wrong - genuinely. I'm here for the conversation. I don't know how else to write on something other than authoritatively. If I'm wrong on the internet, people will definitely tell me!

In person, I'll hedge of course, it's a natural part of conversing and inviting people to share.

Arguing whether someone is permitted to speak on a subject sounds like it would take as much effort as simply discussing the subject itself.

How did you identify how businesses are worker-owned? Curious how it compares to other verification methods e.g. what my co-op had to go through to get a .coop domain as determined by these guys: https://identity.coop/policies/ Wasn't too hard or anything, just wondering what people are looking for to verify co-op-ness

For categories, I guess software engineering would go under "other?" Did you find many services co-ops? I'm aware of a couple other software engineering co-ops/collectives in Europe but none in the USA. Seems to be a bit barren for some reason.

I don’t want a vote on whether or not my bakery puts sesame seeds on the bread. I just want to buy a loaf of bread thanks.

You have an illusion of choice right now between sesame or non sesame bread through the low-resolution "voting" mechanism of the market, which doesn't actually consider your desires when counting votes, merely the profitability between your desires and a supplier's margin. If you like sesame, but if it's not profitable enough, too bad, no sesame for you. "They can charge more," "someone will fill the niche," yes we've been told that about capitalism for the last century, yet it's never been true, so I guess it was a lie. Think of all the products people want that we just can't get anymore because some big org decided we can't have it, or better yet, think of how nearly monopolized industries have leveraged their power to move markets towards more profitable directions. Clothes - big, baggy, unicolor blobs. Phones - black squares.

It's not only more ethical for breadmakers to he democratic, it's simply more efficient in terms of delivering what the people want and need. Markets are a low resolution, exploitable mechanism that can lead to contrary incentives. Better to just cast a vote.

By the way I would add that co-ops are more ethical because if it's set up correctly, nobody is profiting from your labor more than yourself. In a traditional org, the vast majority of your productive profit is captured and used in a way you have no say - lately mostly to line the pockets of shareholders and a captured boys club of nepo MBA types that often don't even have that much experience in your industry. In a co-op, you the worker decide what happens with the profit margin on top of your labor. You can use it to have more money for yourself (and your coworkers), or you can invest it more intelligently in the business than an exec thousands of miles away in the private jet your profit margin pays for. This also works out better for your customers and users.

I've been thinking about this recently: I think our economy is fake.

Restaurants are expensive lately, but still, as a former restaurant owner, even the expensive 10$ takeout burrito I don't think would be possible without the great many laws the supply chain breaks. Undocumented labor from the farms through to the restaurants, for starters. Then the fact that the equipment we use is built in places that don't have our labor or health and safety laws, which lets those places manufacture for much cheaper prices, which feels like cheating.

If we actually had a level playing field and didn't break laws, I don't think most of the luxuries we enjoy could actually exist at anywhere near current prices (and thus not at all).

A lot of co-op talk around this thread, if anyone else has worked in / founded co-ops, I would love to chat, email in my profile. I founded one about 5 years ago and have been kinda shooting from the hip, would love to trade ideas.

I founded a software engineering co-op. We're always interested in finding new members. https://508.dev

Right now our main revenue is through subcontracting, and admittedly we haven't pulled a fresh gig in a couple months, mostly because most of us are working a gig which limits our ability to BD - a limitation we've been kicking around how to resolve for ages.

We want to come up with some alternative revenue streams that aren't directly selling our labor. I soft launched one recently (a mock interview thing that I'm not quite ready to link completely publicly) but I'm also really interested in ideas other people have.

My goal for the co-op has been to make it a greater than sum of parts actualizer for each of our potentials. So far it's been pretty good on that front but for me the big win is gonna be if we can get a revenue generating project out.

Anyway, rambling. Feel free to reply with questions or email me (email is better since I'm trying to stay off HN due to internet comment addiction). https://508.dev/join has more info on joining.

Random fun fact: all our internal SaaS is FOSS and self hosted! Excluding discord. Matrix didn't work well for us.

You've constructed a strawman of the field of psychiatry and are arguing against it. I assume you mean the DSM5? It's basically a dictionary. Is the entirety of the English language and all things that happen in it represented by the Oxford English Dictionary? Read it and you've already read Shakespeare AND Google's transformers white paper!

You're ignoring mountains of studies with empirical evidence for the efficacy of various psychiatric treatments.

You think you're being empirical because you can't find a chain between a molecular chemical reaction and a given psychiatric disorder and its treatment, like the link between what a bacterial infection does to the body and then what the antibiotics do to the bacteria. I encounter this a lot in engineers, who are used to working in relatively simple, deterministic systems. If you want to blow your mind, go look up the data storage capacity of the DNA in a skin cell. Have trouble parsing a vibe coded PR, try parsing the human genome.

You're mistaken that what you perceive as subjective is related only to the field of psychiatry. The human body is too complicated to model accurately, so for example nutrition is also a highly "subjective" field leaning heavily on empirical data gleaned through studies, rather than a deterministic perfect link between the mechanisms of a tummy ache and the chemical composition of the food that might be causing it (actually it might be the food triggering a reaction in the gut bacteria which is... OR it could be psychosomatic OR it could be unrelated to nutrition at all and be ...)

If you need determinism and full system explanations to understand things, that's great, you chose the right field: computer science is easy to map. Down to the last bit, down to the logic gates in the CPU, you can describe everything, you can determine the exact cause of a bug or behavior. Biology and medicine aren't like that, especially not psychiatry. The human brain is widely considered the most complicated thing in the universe (that we're aware of). It can't be modeled or simulated with the degree of accuracy of a CPU. It's nondeterministic and unpredictable. The best we can do is do large aggregate studies and start picking apart the patterns and labeling them. It's definitely still an early science but that doesn't invalidate the treatments which studies show do work.

It's definitely weird the "power" of the human brain on human biology, but the evidence is overwhelming. Studies on psychosomatic symptoms, studies on placebo, studies on therapy treatments, if the effects weren't real, they wouldn't show up so consistently in populations across the world.

So again, I get it, you don't fully comprehend the field so you dismiss it. However I again remind you: your dismissals aren't convincing, they just expose your ignorance of this topic. Go on believing whatever you want, but I guess I'd recommend keeping this confident ignorance to yourself.

What I suspect is you specifically believe some subset of psychological disorders are "fake," am I right? If I had to guess, for people with your opinion, it's usually, depression, ADHD, maybe autism, and maybe gender dysphoria? Lots of other disorders listed. Surely you don't think schizophrenia is fake? Tourettes? PTSD? If you're gonna say the whole book is fake you have a lot of studies you need to dismantle.

I think the idea is that since the inventers of bopomofo were exposed to other alphabets, it's still considered a descendant alphabet. I usually think of descendant as something that visibly manifests its ancestry, so for example modern traditional characters look somewhat like the earliest Chinese characters, or, all romance languages sharing some sounds or even words. So maybe we need a different way to describe things like wheels and alphabets.

I'm not sure I understand your point, sorry. What do you mean?

"let's all get together and build some free software collaboratively".

G0v hackathons in Taiwan are still this, at the end everyone presents what they worked on and there's no judging or anything. Some of the projects have been going for years.

There was a hackathon two weeks ago, you can see all the videos from all the demos here https://m.youtube.com/@g0vTW

They happen every two months. Some people have started g0v chapters abroad, maybe you could consider it for your region!

No, since it's a silent failure, it's not plausible. We have to assume all results we get are the actual model performance, because, it's the actual model performance as we understand it.

Someone trying to solve similar problems will have similar results if the "silent failure" applies consistently in aggregate. So, this is the model's performance.

What makes you so sure? There's been massively successful government funded and run projects before. Soviets beat the Americans to space, after all.

So, what kind of problems are you having it try to solve?

Sorry to belabor this but it's basically pointless saying you have nuts it can't crack without showing us the nuts.

Okay, okay, that whole idea of 'communism' is just as silly

But the communists are smarter than the free world, at least the Americans, which I take it to represent the peak of capitalism and western liberal traditions. The PRC literacy rate is 96.67%, the USA is 79%. In 1937 the Soviet literacy rate was 75%, the USA appears to have been 97% literate then? [1] so somehow the Americans have become nearly as illiterate as a recently industrialized nation of peasants.

Ah, apparently late 70s literacy rate in the Soviet Union was 99.7%. [2].

but nobody believed in communism either

I really recommend reading some Mao/Stalin era publications, not just from folks like Lenin but general notes from standing committees or national congresses. Even today the national congress of the PRC will get into all sorts of debates about communism. I don't believe their current system is socialist, but they sure do, and there's no doubt that there were a lot of true believers around Mao. I strongly doubt the cultural revolution or red guard could have happened without a lot of peasants genuinely believing in the cause.

[1] https://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp#illiteracy

[2] https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.1515/sem-2016...

Edit: Cuba's literacy rate is 98% lol https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SE.ADT.LITR.ZS?location...

The things you describe may be problems in your country, but they're not universal.

Something or set of things must specifically be going wrong wherever you live. It would probably be interesting to identify what.

Having to work is less agency than not having to work.

Both are working. One is getting money that they get to decide what to do with, the other (the wife) doesn't get paid but gets room and board but very little autonomy - for example, they were expected to deliver sexual gratification on demand, mood or no.

It's honestly surprising to me how people seem to still not be aware of the amount of labor women at home do, especially in previous eras. Read any old book, you'll find wives cooking every single meal solo for every single person in the household, managing every aspect of the kids' lives, functioning as a secretary for the husband, cleaning the entire house, often doing the yardwork, managing the social calendar, all while keeping up appearances so they're an attractive wife. They worked way more hours than their husbands.

I'm not sure you are aware that China has monitoring operations for its citizens outside China.

Sure, you and I know that, but most PRC people don't really believe in that or are aware. At least nobody I've met.

It's starting to feel like ethno-nationalism is the answer.

See: the PRC. Support for surveillance is allegedly high. Anecdotally, talking to PRC citizens in circumstances where they don't need to worry about said surveillance (e.g., when they're vacationing in Japan and I want to pester someone and practice my mandarin), they generally like it. Makes them feel safe.

The CPC has sold them on a vision of them as members of the state-race "Chinese" (which is not really an ethnicity any more than "American" is) and the surveillance as a thing that keeps them and their "Chinese" lifestyle safe from non-Chinese. Uighurs have to be extra surveilled until they're also Chinese, which, many are now according to the CPC.

So PRC citizens feel safe and cozy among in the country for "their people," not realizing this whole ethnonationalist concept is at best 100 years old, maybe even younger. During the Qing dynasty, there's a whole hell of a lot of people that think of themselves as "Chinese" that definitely weren't by the dynastic government.

I smell similar happening in Russia, the USA, and Israel, with State support. It looks like right wing groups are trying to pull it off in the UK and Germany as well.

Ok, then, to give women as much agency as men have.

Well since we're doing anecdotes, I'm a sober, fully helmeted, geared rider with 8 years and tens of thousands of miles under my tires. I've had two incidents:

1. I fell over at a stop sign on a canted hill while stopped because the rented Harley was so fucking big. I immediately returned it and will never ride a Harley again, those things suck.

2. I stupidly stopped just before the crest of a gravel road because I couldn't determine the best path (should have just trusted my tires and picked one), started sliding backwards. Rather than spin my tires and risk shooting off, or slide backwards into the unknown, I just tipped over and rolled off the bike.

No injuries either times. No at speed near misses. I have a simple rule: if I'm not 100% sure, I don't do it. A pass, a light, an intersection, when in doubt, I slow down, or stop, or hang out where I am in a lane.

Maybe one day I'll get taken out at a stop light or something random like that but the joy that riding has brought me I just can't give up. Exploring the world on a motorcycle is just amazing.

All activities come with risks. Motorcycling is up there but so is rock climbing, kayaking, rafting, hiking, bicycling, swimming - all activities I personally know someone who has been severely injured doing. You take precautions but you gotta live.

Perhaps we could move away from victim blaming, the same way we've moved away from blaming assaulted women for dressing a certain way.

And thank God for it.

If every scooter rider in Taipei had a car, the city traffic would move a meter a day.

It's also about convenience, btw, not just cost. It's basically impossible to park a car here. Scooters are also difficult but at least possible.

A huge chunk of people here just take public transit now, as it should be.

Valve fascinates me because the devs there occasionally seem to be simply the best on earth in a given field, but despite that, bizarre bugs will persist for a long time. My favorite was how steam in home streaming from a PC to a steam deck wouldn't work if the steam deck had an Ethernet and wifi connection - one of the connections had to be disabled or the stream would always crash.

Maybe they need a few average devs there to spend time sweeping up behind the paragons that are pushing the envelope into these features existing at all.

Israel is just putting their country first

Is walking down the street, slugging everyone that gets in your way, "putting yourself first?" Is moving your fence into your neighbor's lawn and then pulling a gun on them when they come to talk about it "putting yourself first?"

At some point Israel needs to reckon with the fact that its behavior is beyond selfish, it's suicidal.

Made this pseudo black hole visualization graph with the famous gravitational lensing effect from Interstellar yesterday, started at 9am finished at 5pm. I know nothing about GLSL, I don't think I'm even capable of programming my v1 of this with the lensing effect, let alone later adding some of the swirling texture bits, or even the random Doppler effect to the stars.

https://timeflies.508.dev/

I pointed Claude at a read only API account for our ERP, where our accounting happens, and it was pretty useful for helping figure out some historical missing data we left off when we were importing pre-ERP stuff. It did start losing the plot pretty quickly though and get confused about which actor was which (e.g. some of our customers are also our suppliers).

This has resulted in kids seeing a lot of messaging along the lines of "Girl Power! Girls can do anything!". Which to an adult looks like a shift in the tides of history, but for one of the kids that's all they've ever seen

This feels too vibes-based. I never saw messaging like this when I was a teacher, nor when I visited the schools my mom taught at, nor when I visited schools to help with kid hackathons. This would be in California, Texas, the PRC, Japan, and Taiwan. Mostly I saw little nonsense alphabet stickers, famous buildings, chemical symbols, or like, comically diverse but in the end harmless bits of bric a brac like an astronaut in a wheelchair.

What specifically have you been seeing that would lead you to think boys in schools are being held back by messaging?

I don't either - I'm am anarchist. But, ever hear the saying, "against all authority except mommy?" Kids need some level of coercion just to keep them alive. They have to be made to even eat sometimes.