Show HN: Pangoly – Build your shiny new PC

by ejjpi • 12 years ago

778 213 12 years ago

This is really cool -- now when people ask me how hard it is to build their own PC I can show them this site... Usually my answer is "it's just as easy as picking the right things, and putting round pegs into round holes"

dublinben4• 12 years ago

This doesn't seem very different from PcPartPicker.com or the LogicalIncrements.com guide. Nearly every hardware review site will also have a running list of recommended builds.[0]

[0]http://www.pcper.com/hwlb

ejjpi7• 12 years ago

Of course, you mentioned similar websites but I think they have different purposes compared to Pangoly. PCPartPicker offers a huge set of components with different stores so you can find the best price available for almost anything, but it struggle with users having little building experience that are trying to find what's the current best build options for their budget. On the other hand logicalincrements offers a nice viewing experience of components tiers but it lacks building customizations. I think having another option and point of view is not harmful at all :)

ejjpi7• 12 years ago

Thanks! I'm the owner, so here's a brief overview of the available features:

    - Build configuration starting from user's preferred budget. The suggested components are always safe to be used in the same build and it's also possible to add optional parts like peripherals.
    - Automatic build creation starting from user's preferred component.
    - Sharing: once the build is completed it's possible to share it on the most popular social networks (Facebook, Twitter, Pinterest, Reddit), on forums (BBCode) o by Email.
    - Build guidelines: for every component type we provide general guidelines and best practices for the picking, also suggesting the highest rated products currently available on the market.
    - Product reviews: our rating, pros and cons, q&a, price history, suggested PC builds for the selected component and compatibility.
    - Price analysis and trends.
    - Multilanguage and multicurrency.
    - Responsive design: the website provides an optimal viewing experience on all devices (desktops, tablets and smartphones).

sswezey• 12 years ago

One thing that I noticed was the lack of Xeon processors for Intel. When I built my current rig, I could get an i7 level chip for an i5 price, but without integrated video. This is totally fine for gaming rigs and something that isn't uncommon. Was that a specific decision?

darthgoogle• 12 years ago

Would be great to link up with sites that offer pre-configured builds for specific purposes.

For example, about some Hackintosh friendly builds?

MarkyC4• 12 years ago

I'd allow people to unselect a second hard drive, especially since 256GB SSDs are an option.

walterbell• 12 years ago

How would one search for processor + motherboard support for VT-d or vPro?

newman314• 12 years ago

So... Nice site so far but it would be nice if you offer some additional features over your competitors.

I personally do not need the latest and greatest, however it would be nice to help me optimize on a different set of factors.

For example, I have a lot of interest in building power efficient machines. Rather than having to look up power consumption for individual parts, it would be great if you had the ability to generate optimal configurations given power and noise considerations.

Similarly, if you could have a generator for minimally different Hackintoshes (eg OS X running with minimum hacks), I think you would find a lot of interest from that particular user base.

PS. Playing around with the various configurators for different parts, it seems that there are options missing. For example:

1) Can't find 16GB Ballastix Sport Low Profile memory

2) Can't find Intel low power processors; T-series

3) Can't filter on 80 Plus level for power supplies

4) For a low(er) power build, I do not want the largest power supply. Conversely, I want the lowest capable of powering my setup.

5) Ability to easily find a video card meeting my needs: single slot GPU Nvidia Maxwell suitable for HTPC.

bsenftner• 12 years ago

I'd be interested in a service such as this for building custom servers. I currently custom design and pay to have them built for my company.

smacktoward• 12 years ago

Serious question: why? I would think that for servers, the lower cost and easier replaceability of buying standardized machines from an OEM would outweigh any benefits you could get from hand-selecting components.

avmich• 12 years ago

I'd prefer to be able to have motherboards suggestions based on requested features. Like, so many USB ports, SATA ports and this socket for AMD CPU.

tokenizerrr2• 12 years ago

How does this compare to pcpartpicker? I don't see any option to use euros as the currency without getting an italian user interface. Are the prices at all localized, if so, do you have plans to support any other countries?

ejjpi7• 12 years ago

yes, more countries and localizations are on their way.

tokenizerrr2• 12 years ago

Great. Looking forward for Dutch prices, that would be great. FYI an entire translation seems unnecessary, and in my experience (at least with dutch peole) most will prefer an english interface though that is usually because translations are so bad.

ianpri• 12 years ago

Although i'm unsure of the legality, you might want to add hackintosh/OSX86 setups in there as well, matching the right hardware combos is a big part of getting it all setup and the latest configs change often

Linell• 12 years ago

This would be an awesome feature.

mmastrac• 12 years ago

I'd (figuratively) kill for that feature as well. If you aren't following Hackintosh guides regularly, you fall behind far too quickly.

pling• 12 years ago

This looks really cool.

I haven't built my own PC for a number of years and probably wouldn't consider it any more to be honest (MacBook FTW). I will however recommend this to anyone who does ask me about self-builds :)

mindslight• 12 years ago

Modern laptops have been adequate for most tasks for quite some time (T61 ftw, personally). On the other hand, if you are CPU/GPU/RAM limited (eg rendering..), then you will still greatly benefit from the additional power a desktop build will bring. And it's refreshing to see the continuing progress of stats, while laptops have seemingly stagnated (6 cores and 64GiB RAM? Nifty!).

OP, I think you have a ways to go to match the utility of pcpartpicker. But if you want a possible leg-up on them, then look into supporting workstation builds with Xeon/Cxxx/ECC (they don't really cost more than comparable "consumer" builds, and if you value stability more than overclocking, they make a lot of sense). Niches can be powerful.

kayoone• 12 years ago

So the business model is based on piping customers to amazon ? thats neat, however i found that amazon germany lacks the diversity that many of the big online hardware retailers have around here. Is it only stuff that amazon sells or also marketplace ?

ejjpi7• 12 years ago

How can you suggest builds for the budget if you don't have a real store providing updated components prices? Amazon is by far the most popular online store so I think it's a safe bet using it as a de facto standard.

AustinScript• 12 years ago

Did you read the question?

orwhat• 12 years ago

Really cool. How do you browse shared builds?

ejjpi7• 12 years ago

Here: http://pangoly.com/en/build/list

devd• 12 years ago

Cool project - Wish I could remove some of the mandatory components - I could not figure out a way to remove the hard drive.

njsubedi• 12 years ago

no need to. remove it from Amazon cart.

maxsilver• 12 years ago

Looks great so far!

Any thoughts into a comparison tool?

I have a PC that was pretty powerful when I built it, but has aged (5-6 years old now).

I'd love to find a way to easily compare my current system to these ones. For instance, the 'AMDicted' sounds good, but I can't easily tell if it's an upgrade from my current rig or not.

ziol6546• 12 years ago

This is a really cool tool for beginners or just shopping around to get the best deal. I def would have appreciated this when I first started out.

ErikRogneby• 12 years ago

Wow, it's been so long since I've built a desktop I had to look up APU. (a CPU that does more than just central processing, possible a GPU on the same chip)

prawks• 12 years ago

One thing that bugs me at first glance is that after I pick a preset denoted with a "starting price", when it gets to the next page with the component breakdown the starting price is $100-300 higher.

falcolas• 12 years ago

Seems like there's a good mid-ground between pre-configured systems and expert mode. A mode which offers some alerts for silly mistakes (or prevents them from being made in the first place) would be nice. i.e. an Intel chip paired with an AMD socketed motherboard.

kubiiii• 12 years ago

Indeed. But alerts would be a nice addition to expert mode anyway. You can't build a PC with a processor that does not fit in the socket, expert or not. Pre filtered list of motherboards or cpu based on selected cpu or motherboards would be nice. Anyway, great website.

asdasd123dd• 12 years ago

Can someone tell me what he used to code that website? Javascript and bootstrap or something else?

makmanalp• 12 years ago

Agreed! This seems a bit more polished than http://pcpartpicker.com/ in that regard

chatmasta• 12 years ago

This is awesome. I remember building my first computer at 12 years old. :) A nice fat gaming rig with dual boot to Linux. My parents bought it for me after I got all "E's for effort!"

At the time all I had to go by was a "how to build your own computer" book. I would have loved something like this.

balls187• 12 years ago

Did your mobo have soft-jumpers?

walshemj3• 12 years ago

Kids today :-) I remember upgrading a IBM compatible using DIP chips on the mother board.

obsession• 12 years ago

Wow, this is really neat!

chton• 12 years ago

Why can't you perform compatibility checks on hardware in free build mode? That would take so much headache out of the composing, and be an awesome middle ground between the prebuilt ones and the completely free builder.

grapeshot• 12 years ago

I find it unfortunate that I can't completely remove the graphics card from the mid-range system, and I'm not allowed to select a SSD for it either. If I could do those things I would be able to compare this site directly to the PC I built yesterday.

Also I notice that you're missing estimated tax, shipping, and a Windows license from the price.

LaikaF• 12 years ago

What does this do that PC Part Picker can't?

opendais• 12 years ago

May I suggest including linux compatibility for hardware? [e.g. graphics cards tends to not always support it]

swatthatfly• 12 years ago

Accessories should be part of the options. You need cables for example to connect the HDs to the MB, DVI adapters for older monitors, etc. Some people may have a spare one, while others will have to make an additional trip to the store.

dublinben4• 12 years ago

SATA cables are included with the motherboard, and DVI adapters are included with the video card. Neither of those should be an expected purchase when building a new machine.

drewg123• 12 years ago

When I build a PC, the number one feature I want is ECC memory. It can be tricky to find a non-server configuration that supports it (you historically need a "good" bios that is smart enough to enable it for AMD, and you typically need a Xeon flavor CPU + workstation level board for Intel; caveat, it has been 2.5 years since my last build).

I was hoping that this tool might make finding non-server parts that support ECC easier, but alas, that does not seem to be the case.

adl• 12 years ago

I'm genuinely curious, why is it your number one feature? I know that ECC provides error correction, but aside from server use, is it really that critical?

joosters2• 12 years ago

Memory errors are a significant cause [citation needed!] of system instability. If you want a reliable machine, even a desktop, that is going to keep working, then ECC is very useful.

If you've decided upon ECC as a must, then it would be great for a system builder tool to then show you options based upon that choice.

dnm• 12 years ago

This is an old page, but convinced me years ago to go with ECC memory whenever I build a new machine.

http://cr.yp.to/hardware/ecc.html

He hasn't updated is build in a while, though. http://cr.yp.to/hardware/build-20090123.html

SandB0x• 12 years ago

I really like it but I think it can be simplified. At least the original presentation of options. e.g.

* The names Advanced and Pro are too similar.

* "For AMD lovers, a cheaper alternative of the Gamer configuration" OK, but then this could be folded into the Gamer configuration as an alternate flavour.

Can you get this down to three or four options and move the rest to the expert users section?

warfangle• 12 years ago

Agreed.

It would be nice if for each tier there were an Intel option and an AMD option ... and an ATi and nVidia option.

supsep• 12 years ago

Nice service for those of us who find it hard to follow the ever changing hardware landscape. Thanks!

alexchamberlain• 12 years ago

s/Wattage/Power Usage/?

buckbova3• 12 years ago

I pretty much bounce between newegg and tigerdirect when building a machine. Once you have a case and motherboard, everything falls into place based on my budget.

I'm looking to start a new build soon. This case is speaking to me.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-det...

doorhammer• 12 years ago

Have you tried http://pcpartpicker.com/ ?

I used it for my last build. You can select a variety of different vendors, browse parts compare prices, etc. It does a pretty good job doing the compatibility checks for you as well (I can do them myself, but my heart just wasn't in it this time, so it was handy).

I basically assembled my build with pcpartpicker, selected newegg, amazon and microcenter, then bundled it all up and ordered it. The microcenter one was neat because they actually found the processor I wanted at a local microcenter, for in store pickup, at a hundred bucks cheaper than anywhere else (not a technically crazy hurdle, but really convenient and pleasantly surprising).

Wondering how it compares to the site linked (I haven't looked through it yet; they could be totally different, but I'm going to check it out in a sec)

pc86• 12 years ago

Seems like PCPP makes it much easier to filter on specific criteria (say, you only want to see 7200RPM HDDs) but the linked site seems much more user friendly, particularly for beginners.

Edit: Also, the first several builds I made to test the site out all appear to be shipping from Amazon. Not sure if this supports multiple vendors or not.

Pwntastic• 12 years ago

You may want to check out HoverHound, a chrome/firefox plugin.

It'll let you compare the price of a part on newegg with the current price on amazon and tigerdirect.

When I rebuilt my htpc about 6 months ago, I was surprised to find that many of the parts were actually cheaper on amazon.

lifeformed• 12 years ago

Cool! Some humble UI suggestions:

- I don't really need to see big pictures of everything (except the case and peripherals). It's kind of visually noisy, and it doesn't help me make any decisions. Maybe just a small thumbnail would suffice.

- It'd be nice to be able to instantly visually compare the most important traits of each component. For example, for SSDs, I'd like to see Price, Size, and Speed. If you just had a bar for each of those things, I'd be able to instantly see the tradeoffs I'm making. The hover-over info is nice too, it's good to see if I'm trading price for durability, or some other less common metric. Maybe this kind of info could replace the big images?

reqres• 12 years ago

To add to the tradeoffs point - it would be great it you could generate a pareto efficient frontier given the users "desired traits".

This may just be my own personal gripe but I get serious information overload from component buying. A nice frontier could filter the dozens of options to just a handful with meaningful tradeoffs worth considering.

jbert• 12 years ago

Nice. One comment - I think it's not always showing the 'best' options in the initial 3.

e.g.

1 - Select Advanced

2 - the two processor options shown are (+11% cost, +13% perf) and (+7% cost, +3%perf). If I expand "more options", I can see a (+9 %cost, +16%perf) in there which is preumably superior to either of the two shown.

But this is awesome - please keep it going and improving it :-)

jedahan• 12 years ago

Maybe the algorithm scores based on more than just cost and performance - perhaps review scores as well?

aresant• 12 years ago

The most daunting part of building a custom computer is usually validation of the component quality and, more importantly, how they'll wind up working together.

A rating / review of component selection by power-users is all that's missing here for me.

Beyond that this is brilliant and simple - I'm surprised that NewEgg doesn't offer something like this.

thearn4• 12 years ago

Looks good, I'll be putting together a lab computer pretty soon, and will give this a shot for comparing possible configurations.

lazyant• 12 years ago

Works automagically for Canada, awesome

jamieb• 12 years ago

Am about to buy/build PC right now. It will be a six-core socket 2011 CPU with a couple of 780s. All the CPUs are little 1150s. Guess I'm not your target audience?

josefresco• 12 years ago

Does anyone else remember Geek.com's value/mid/high end gaming PC build articles? Each month they'd revise each setup and I always used it as a guide when building or costing machines.

I tried to find them this morning, but didn't have luck. Did they ditch this feature?

Edit: What I liked about the feature is that despite being a "tech" and having built several PC's in the past, I can no longer keep current with hardware developments. The Geek.com guides allowed me to jump right in, without a weekend of research to get up to speed on the latest CPU's, GPU's and various hardware components.

dublinben4• 12 years ago

If you're looking for something similar that's always kept up to date, check out the PcPer hardware leader board. They have a low/mid/high/dream system suggestion.

http://www.pcper.com/hwlb

Thrymr• 12 years ago

They don't update as often, but I've always liked the Ars Technica system guides, e.g.: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ars-technica-system-g...

JustinAiken• 12 years ago

I found myself looking for a 'upgrade your shiny old PC' section...

Site is appealing, but would be more useful if you could put in everything you already have, then look at which piece/pieces could be upgraded, with $/wattage/performance changes...

carlmcqueen• 12 years ago

This is perfectly timed (for me) as I plan to build a gaming computer soon. I've lived off a laptop and an older desktop for a bunch of years but have money sitting saved for a new desktop.

Overall, I really like the site rating and the rational pros/cons between the different options.

The description of the AMD gamer computer made me realize there were more options than three, I didn't intuitively realize I could scroll down for more computer builds at first. That is probably more a me problem than a mass problem, however.

cottonseed• 12 years ago

A HTPC option would be nice.

nelmaven• 12 years ago

I think the only thing missing here are the CPU coolers. Edit: Nevermind, found them. :)

Otherwise it looks like a cool way to pick a build, especially since it's been so long since I have looked into building a desktop.

jcastro• 12 years ago

Nice work, really like the UI, much simpler to use than other tools.

It'd be nice if you could add some mini-itx options for HPTC and/or Steam Machine.

ad_hominem• 12 years ago

I like it a lot, but it would be cool to hear some of the technical details. Such as:

- Technology stack?

- How do you keep product pricing up-to-date? Do you have a persistent process that iterates over your known product list, querying Amazon's Product Advertising API (staying within rate limits)? If that's the case would love to hear more details on language and libraries used as I'm working on something similar.

- How do you discover new products to list?

- What storage backend do you use to store historic pricing data? Regular relational database or something more exotic like InfluxDB?

- Any plans on introducing new retailers besides Amazon? If so, how will you correlate products into canonical listings if the product does not have UPC information?

Things like that.

mrfusion• 12 years ago

Tangential offshoot topic: So for my soon to arrive Oculus Rift, what's the cheapest PC I can build with this site? Could i start with the cheapest option and just add a beefy graphics card?

joosters2• 12 years ago

This tool looks fantastic.

I recently put together a couple of machines from parts, and having not done so for many years, found it extremely difficult to do so. A tool like this, that could highlight compatible CPUs, motherboards and so on, would have been very helpful!

A few (highly specific) features that would be useful:

* For the cheaper machines, there are some very good value case/PSU combos on Amazon (and elsewhere). It would be great to include these in the list of components. I know bargain-basement PSUs have a reputation for being poor quality, but there are reliabile ones out there (I ended up buying three different cheap case+CPUs and they have all been perfect under high load)

* I found it extremely hard to discover which CPUs came with their own heatsink+fan. Any way to clarify this would be very useful.

ethbro• 12 years ago

Agreed! It's extremely impressive in terms of design + functionality.

If you're not worried about spilling secret sauce, I'd be interested in a post (or link if you've already got the information there) about what data sources you have hooked up to various metrics.

coldpie• 12 years ago

This is really cool. Two things I find vital when I'm shopping for components are reviews and brands. It'd be nice to filter based on Newegg reviews or select a certain set of brands.

rcthompson• 12 years ago

Suggestion: on the starting page, the "Highlights" for each starting configuration include both technical details ("AMD APU A6/A8 Series Dual/Quad Core") and a blurb describing what this configuration is good for ("Ideal for browsing the Internet, watching movies and chatting"). Furthermore, the latter always comes last on the list. I think that the blurb should come first, and that it shouldn't be part of the "checklist", but should rather be in highlighted near the top somewhere (maybe above or below the price).

1ris• 12 years ago

I would really like to to tweak the price. I.E. get a suggestion what i could get for 50 pounds more. Also I can't figure out how to select "none" for components. I.e. Most people already have a case.

sthatipamala2• 12 years ago

I like how polished this site is. It would be a good companion to this parts recommendation guide: http://www.logicalincrements.com/

However, I disagree that a "Pro" build is necessary for software development, as suggested by the description. I've gotten by writing software on a netbook.

walshemj3• 12 years ago

But how efficient as a developer are you on your netbook when compared to a dual or tripled screened desktop workstation.

groovy2shoes• 12 years ago

Likewise, I've gotten by writing software with a pen and paper.

There's an unfortunate consequence of the tendency for developers to have "Pro" hardware: their software often doesn't get tested on older hardware. Some examples:

About 8 years ago, I tried to install a KDE-based Linux distribution on a PC that was then only 2 years old. The screen resolution defaulted to 800x600. I opened the settings panel to try and adjust it to 1280x1024 (the maximum for that monitor), but the settings window was larger than my screen, and the icon for screen resolution was off the bottom of my screen! I couldn't get to it.

About 4 years ago, I was taking a Software Engineering course where our assignments were doled out with Eclipse project files. No problem, I installed Eclipse on my Macbook (which at the time was only one year old), and fired it up. It was using over a gig of RAM, and OS X using another half a gig. I couldn't open a web browser without swapping.

Today the problem is even worse. Modern software gobbles so much memory -- it's ridiculous. Web browsers and desktop environments are especially bad, and systemd uses loads of RAM, too. I realize it's not all bloat, but this memory explosion is leaving users with older computers in the dust. Not everyone can afford to upgrade to the latest and greatest every year.

I urge developers to keep their end users (even other developers) and their potentially meager hardware in mind.

makomk• 12 years ago

Web browsers and desktop environments are especially bad

Most web browsers are actually pretty memory efficient these days. Unfortunately, the websites they're viewing aren't because they're designed and coded by people with "pro" hardware too.

ZoFreX3• 12 years ago

I find the biggest problem is web applications. Google+ and Facebook are abysmally slow for me, even though I am on a very powerful machine. I shudder to think what they are like on something even a couple of years old.

EpicEng• 12 years ago

Yeah, probably too overarching, but it depends on what you are doing. For example, are you "getting by" on your notebook parallel compiling 1m+ LoC C++ projects? Probably not.

sthatipamala2• 12 years ago

Probably not. I supplied one extreme but surely one of the lesser builds for suffice for most developers.

hendersoon• 12 years ago

Missing the new devils' canyon intel CPUs. If I were building a PC right now, it would use an i5-4690K.

randomdrake• 12 years ago

Beautiful execution and a well-done site. Nice visual choices and a good responsive layout. Great example of waiting until a product has some polish before a Show HN.

Yesterday, Forbes did an article[1] about how console gamers are moving towards PC.

I think you could really knock it out of the park if you capitalized on that trend and added a portion of your site for folks looking to migrate. Something that shows how specs from different sets of cheaper hardware could mimic and beat the console they may be trying to migrate from. Perhaps something with a bit more of an educational front to it.

You could even go as far as video demonstrations showing how the performance of a $400.00 PC from your service could rival or beat a console.

There's a big trend/meme on the Internet right now regarding the "PC Master Race"[2] that I think you could explore for some inspiration, if you haven't. The trend started a few years ago[3] but has started to pick up more and more.

You may even find some great success with a section specifically for building customized, beautiful "Steam Boxes"[4] that are starting to appear more and more in living rooms in place of consoles.

[1] http://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2014/07/14/the-c...

[2] http://www.reddit.com/r/pcmasterrace/

[3] http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-glorious-pc-gaming-master-...

[4] http://gizmodo.com/13-steam-boxes-ranked-1496078448

sosborn2• 12 years ago

PC Master Race

Please don't perpetuate this inane meme. It is needlessly inflammatory and would probably alienate a healthy portion of your target market.

jpgvm2• 12 years ago

Perpetuating the meme is perhaps unwise (and alienating as you pointed out).

That aside it is worth pointing out the advantages of a proper computer over cut down entertainment devices. Especially in a format that lets you customize and meet a certain price point.

Shame it's not easy to have comparative benchmarks against console hardware at this time, despite the newest generation being effectively x86 hardware we have no means of comparison due to the platforms being too locked down.

danwiding3• 12 years ago

Isn't it better to have passionate users who love using your service along with haters that love to hate you as opposed to having a market that just kinda likes you. That said you can tone down the nazi-ism while having dog whistle trigerring http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics with something like PC Master Build or PC Uber Class (I'm not in marketing but there's something that works in there).

jiggy2011• 12 years ago

In video gaming discussion inflammatory = good

jsmthrowaway2• 12 years ago

You say that, but you forget what the target market for gaming rigs actually is.

I game pretty extensively as a hobby but I also hold a serious 9-5. While I don't call people homophobic slurs and scream "oh my god no scoped" and all that, I can appreciate and keep up with the typical gaming attitudes in the market these days. To be honest, I look at gaming as a different persona and snap in and out of him at will; a few close folks in that circle of mine know what I actually do, but to them I'm just another "lol rekt" dude. Just like you'd expect some things out of a typical HN user, I expect some things out of a typical gamer. I also balance that with calling out the less-desirable portions of that culture, like homophobia, racism, and sexual harassment, when I can.

The master race thing is a tongue-in-cheek exercise which really, as a couple other folks have pointed out, has a more subtle message. If you allow yourself to be alienated by things that other folks find humorous -- and it's totally within your right to not find it humorous, by the way, I'm not saying that -- you're just going to have a bad time, that's all.

Gaming and the culture around it is not something to be taken seriously. Even e-sports have an element of insanity. To be entirely honest, I look at master race and calling console users "plebes" as the gaming generation getting older and discovering there's another one right behind them, and that one likes Call of Duty on Xbox and Minecraft. Really, though, you'd be hard pressed to find someone on either side who takes that sort of thing seriously. At the end of the day, we're all gamers doing what we enjoy.

niwri• 12 years ago

This "PC Master Race" mentality has left a sour taste in my mouth. It is a joke to a few but it is starting to become serious (weather they refer to it as PC Master Race or not). Most arguments are made by technically unqualified enthusiasts on subjects like architecture, performance, and cost effectiveness.

I suppose the reason I'm bitter is because I'm constantly being told (online and lots of PC enthusiast friends) that my choice of gaming hardware (a console) is vastly inferior to a PC. Choosing a gaming platform is not a 100% performance to cost optimization problem.

chc4• 12 years ago

Well, it really is technically inferior to a gaming PC. And I say this as somebody who owns several consoles and does not own a gaming PC. In making that choice, I had to accept that I would get less power than a PC user, at least for most of the console's lifespan. I use a console because that's what I'm comfortable with and it lets me play with my friends, not because I want to be at the cutting edge of gaming technology.

vlunkr2• 12 years ago

I agree. These PC/Console flame wars have been going on since the beginning of the internet. To say that either is "superior" is pretty meaningless, you can argue why one is better in certain respects, but in the end declaring one to be better than the other is totally subjective.

forgotpasswd3x• 12 years ago

Agreed. I love my PS3, and have a PS4 as well. I don't have a gaming PC, because I'm completely happy with the games that are released on consoles, and don't have the interest in building a gaming PC. The games I like are released for consoles first, and often aren't released on PC at all, and when they are, it seems like a lot of times they are just shitty ports.

Console provides the best experience for me. Anyone that tells me differently is simply wrong, because it's subjective.

thefreeman• 12 years ago

It annoys me too, but for a different reason.

I've been a PC gamer since far before it was "popular". So I have obviously always preferred it. Nothing has really changed in the arena of PC gaming vs Consoles in terms of the actual differences between them, but now all of the sudden everybody's jumping on this bandwagon.

The same people who said Halo revolutionized multiplayer gaming are the ones spamming about "PC Master Race" now. (Not trying to pick on Halo in particular, but I use it as an example because I feel there were many PC games released before it which provided the same or better multiplayer FPS experience)

hoggle• 12 years ago

It seems as if the console makers have delivered developer friendly platforms this time but with that forgot to / decided not to pack in that extra punch they used to.

I'm talking about things like those sprite optimized graphics controllers when 2D still was king and the tightly integrated 3D chips later on (when consumer PCs were doing 3D exclusively with the CPU) - and let's not forget all those esoteric but very powerful CPU architectures (e.g. Cell processor).

drzaiusapelord• 12 years ago

$400.00 PC from your service could rival or beat a console.

I recently got the itch to buy the Xbox One. I had the 360 before it with the Kinect and it was a passable party game machine, but I usually game on an old-ish desktop that maybe I've invested $600 in over the past four years. i5, 7000 series AMD card, 8gb ram, etc. Seems to handle any modern game I can throw at it.

With a copy of Watchdogs that Xbox turned out to be almost $700. Um, sure Watchdogs was fun, but having both just feels extraneous at this point and if I wasn't beyond my return date I'd just get rid of it. Just the price of games alone is rough. With Steam I can usually find a deal, but for console games I'm expected to usually pay full price, usually with the understanding that I'm also subsidizing my console's low price. How is $700 with one game low? You can almost make two mid-range gaming PCs with that if you're frugal enough.

That said, I'm sure it'll be great for multiplayer and kinect games, but with powerful PC hardware being so cheap, it does feel like a rip-off as console prices haven't really fallen in line with PC prices.

On the plus side, it has impressive fit and polish, the media tv stuff is nice, xbox live is well done, and even though the kinect is optional now I really hope they continue to develop games for it, preferable another Star Wars game on the new hardware. I'm hoping I get 5 years out of this system to depreciate the big one-time cost.

I'm just surprised there isn't a competitive $199 console out there. Even if it was semi-disposable (say every 24 months a new model with faster innards) it would still be worth it. I can get a Nexus 7 for that much. Its incredible I can't get a dedicated gaming machine (sans display, sans batter, etc) for around that much. Consoles are starting to feel like those old Texas Instruments calculators that cost the same amount and have the same exact features as the ones sold 20+ years ago.

adricnet• 12 years ago

I'm just surprised there isn't a competitive $199 console out there.

Well, there's the Ouya, which is a nice little platform. You can get one an second controller and most of the games available for that price point :)

Specs and SDKs at https://www.ouya.tv/develop/

hth, adric

cdr• 12 years ago

You can get a last gen console (XB360, PS3) for what, $100 or less used/refurbished or $200 or less new? If someone never had that console, it's comparable with a lower end PC playing "last gen" PC games. And a good deal of console exclusives that never get ported to PC.

Buying a new console < 1 year after release is the equivalent of buying a new $1K+ gaming PC with a top-of-the-line video card.

vacri3• 12 years ago

Gaming segments are weird. Console gamers generally pay 'full price', PC gamers generally want to pay half that, and mobile gamers have trouble with the concept of shelling out double digits.

personZ• 12 years ago

Yesterday, Forbes did an article[1] about how console gamers are moving towards PC.

A contributor, essentially using Forbes as a blog platform, claimed that. The article is a baseless fluff piece pandering to an audience.

I really believe that the whole contributor model has seriously undermined Forbes' already strained credibility: Endlessly people attribute these often specious claims to the magazine itself.

slipwalker• 12 years ago

failed for my first attempt: how can't i customize my dual-socket opteron 64Gb RAM workstation ?... ( mobo ASUS KGPE-d16 )

silverbax882• 12 years ago

I first hit this on mobile and it was just about unusable. I couldn't find out how to switch over to the desktop version and had to wait until I was at a desktop to take a look.

Other than the mobile issues, it's a nice idea and pretty clean looking site. I'd reduce the images in size, especially the gigantic brand logos scrolling across the bottom. Make it more of a dashboard and less like a slideshow.

acomjean• 12 years ago

Reminds me of Ars System Guides

I haven't read in a while but they're still doing them:

http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/04/ars-technica-system-g...

they have decent forums too

http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewforum.php?f=8

A hackintosh section would be good. The one I used to build mine years ago is gone..

sirwolfgang• 12 years ago

Thats a really nice way tool to generate income from amazon referrals. :)

rmah• 12 years ago

While it's pretty, the site doesn't allow for much in the way of customizing one's criteria. Or it's very non-obvious on how to do so. For example, I might want a gaming system with a apx $150 video card rather than a $200 to $300 one. Perhaps I have hard drives already and don't need a new one. Why the rather pricey power supplies? The CPU choices are limited and don't reflect current options. What about cooling options? Why the limited case choices? etc, etc, etc.

silverbax882• 12 years ago

I agree - since I'm in the middle of building a machine, I would think that I would be the target market. One of the first things I noticed was that the power supplies were overpriced but the mobo combinations were entirely based on price as opposed to features. The site looks good but I think it needs more tweakability.

gprasanth• 12 years ago

This teaches a very good lesson I'll never forget. I have to invest more of my idle time on my side projects. I bought a domain to do this but never got around to finish it. Wonderful execution. Kudos.

jburwell• 12 years ago

A well-executed and beautiful site, but it would be nice to have Xeon options for the professional builds.

nathanb2• 12 years ago

Here's some advice:

I can never remember any details regarding the Intel chipsets. Is a given CPU a Haswell processor? Ivy bridge? Should I wait for Broadwell? Am I misremembering code words entirely? I would love it if this site helped me figure out which chipset I'll be getting, in case I care.

sirodoht• 12 years ago

For the record, the naming scheme is something like this: e.g. i7 4770K

i[digit] is the series, i3 means starter, i5 mainstream and i7 performance (that's not entirely accurate but it is accurate enough).

Then the four digit number is of no obvious logic across the generations. But, the first digit shows the generation, so 4 means haswell, which is the fourth Core iX generation. 3 is ivy bridge, 2 is sandy bridge and the lack of it means nehalem. And beyond that, the higher the number, the more powerful it is.

The last letter is optional. K means unlocked, S or T mean low power consumption.

nathanb2• 12 years ago

Ooh, helpful! I haven't upgraded my home system in a while, so I have a Core 2 Quad Q9450. Imagine my confusion when I started seeing numbers in the 2, 3, and 4k range. Thanks for decoding it for me!

elktea2• 12 years ago

K also means virtualization features are missing. Hugely important, these days.

ionforce• 12 years ago

Love the idea. A maybe tangential question for you or sites like yours...

So this might be all "tyranny of choice". But what is the difference between certain parts? Like if there are two motherboards and both of them cost ballpark $200 and support the same mainstream inputs/components, how do I know which one to choose?

It's moments like those that paralyze me from taking advantage of these services. Or why I like buying Apple where I don't really have a choice (implicit to the fact that I don't care which motherboard I'm getting other than Apple-curated).

sbt• 12 years ago

Always dreamed of a site like this when I was a kid, still do, but now it looks like it's finally here! Nice work.

izzydata• 12 years ago

Not enough choices in my opinion. If it were to implement close to the amount of hardware choices as PCPartPicker then it would be very practical. The site layout and design is very nice though.

danwiding3• 12 years ago

Feature request: I want to buy a new gaming machine but the sticker shock is a little much right now. Is it possible to save my configuration and get price alerts when a component goes on sale? Bonus points: could I configure multiple acceptable components and get an alert when any of those products goes on sale?

click170• 12 years ago

It would be nice if after configuring a pc, I could just copy the URL and send it to someone and have it display the pc I had configured.

Still, cool site!

dumbfounder• 12 years ago

The hardest part for me about building a pc is making sure I get the proper RAM config, and this doesn't seem to help much. I want LOTS of ram (32gb), so let me pick a motherboard with 4 slots easily, and then make sure the selections have to be compatible. Same sort of issue with a video card. I want dual DVI for output to 2 monitors, that is more important than speed for me.

ep103• 12 years ago

Incase you were unaware, these guys (http://www.reddit.com/r/buildapc) _are_ your target audience. And your main competitor is pcpartpicker

pgrote• 12 years ago

I've been looking for a site like this for a while. The only issue I had was picking the $605 configuration and wanting 16 gig of memory and blue ray. What you initially choose sometimes limits capacity later, though not with hard drives.

flurpitude• 12 years ago

Are you familiar with http://pcpartpicker.com?

jjcm• 12 years ago

Your obvious rival here is PCPartPicker. Having used that extensively, here's some things I don't like about yours:

Expert mode removes compatibility checks. This shouldn't be the case - as soon as I select an item, it should cull the results and show me only the intersection of items that are now compatible with my chosen piece of hardware.

The lack of an ability to filter. Maybe I want to splurge more on a graphics card, but I need one that has at least 4 mini-display port outputs to drive my monitors. Right now there doesn't seem to be a way to say "show me only gpus that are nvidia, above $500, and can drive at least 4 monitors".

One of the biggest things for me: lack of reviews. You have a pangoly score. That's great and all, but you're a brand I don't (yet) trust. If I'm buying a component that costs multiple hundreds of dollars, I want more than a single score from a company I haven't heard of. I want to know what the reliability is like, and I want to hear it from people who have had hands on experience with it. I want to know how loud the fans are, what temperature it runs at passively and actively, etc.

Visually your site is really nice, but your expert mode leaves a lot to be desired, and I think you have a ways to go before you catch up with the competition. If I were you I would try and find your niche - either target users who are switching over from console gaming, and want to build their first computer, or build out a bunch of more expert features and target regular hobbyists.

gr3yh47• 12 years ago

www.logicalincrements.com presents similar info in IMO a better format as well.

smrtinsert• 12 years ago

Agreed. For the HN audience I would expect something like li, but with more interactivity.

aidenn0• 12 years ago

That's a really good site. I tend to build workstations these days, but have several friends asking me for gaming build advice; I can point them there.

lotharbot• 12 years ago

I just built a pair of PCs using pcpartpicker. I had similar thoughts:

1) I really like auto-filters on compatibility. If my CPU and mobo aren't compatible, don't let me put both on the same build.

2) I don't need to see big pictures of most of the components. I might want to see what the case, monitor, and peripherals look like, but I'll only look at the SSD when I'm installing it.

3) I didn't see an easy way to sort or filter by specific criteria. On PCPartPicker, I sorted HDs by $/GB and was able to easily scroll down the list until the first drive that was large enough (1 TB), and probably could have filtered it to only include those. Here, I just have a bunch of hard drives to pick from, in no particular order, without a lot of advanced options -- and I didn't even get many on the screen because of the large images.

It's just a couple steps away from being a really excellent site.

emn13• 12 years ago

Also missing: an obvious way not to include an HDD/GFX card (I just tried the "pro" setting).

I think your categories are too large - e.g. you show various motherboards but really no way to choose which one you want (i.e. physical size, minimal ports, other characteristics), nor an easy way to select the chipset.

Similarly, the SSD grouping simply had "SSD"s. Again, features like encryption support and/or powerloss protection might be interesting to look at; and even more obviously, I'd really like to narrow down the selection by size.

I saw you preselected the 4770K, yet the 4790K is it's successor (and certainly should be an option).

All in all, I want a system to satisfy various needs. Some aspects I may not care too much about or know much about, so a default choice or bias is fine, but there's almost always some aspect I do care about. And if you really don't care, you should probably look into just buying some ready-made HP or whatever (no idea which brand is best) box, and at least you'll get good somebody to put the thing together for you (and be responsible when it doesn't work).

Schwolop• 12 years ago

Almost every type of "show me a filtered subset of something" website could benefit from your first feature - basically an "I've rejected this item for reasons your filters can't support, and never wish to see it again" button or checkbox.

Unfortunately, almost all such websites are supported by vendors paying to have their wares promoted to users, and letting users _not_ see them isn't what the vendors want. (e.g. in real estate searches, there are plenty of houses that meet all my criteria but which are terrible for other reasons and I'd prefer to never see in my results ever again.)

yaeger• 12 years ago

Speaking of compatibility:

Does nobody care to check the mainboards support site for compatibility lists?

This one, for example: http://uk.pangoly.com/en/build/configure/pro

When you select the asrock mainboard, you are presented with these three choices of RAM: http://uk.pangoly.com/en/review/corsair-vengeance-16gb-2x8gb...

http://uk.pangoly.com/en/review/patriot-viper-3-16gb-2x8gb-2...

http://uk.pangoly.com/en/review/corsair-vengeance-pro-16gb-2...

And if you venture to that mainboards support site, it shows you a list of compatible RAM: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Fatal1ty%20Z97%20Professional...

End Result: Not one of the mentioned RAM options is on that list.

Why would that be important? Well, for one thing, it it weren't, there wouldn't be the need for the asrock people to maintain such a list, right? And, speaking from personal experience, I have had brand new builds bluescreen like nobody's business. Was the RAM faulty? Nope, send it back and got replacement of same make/model. Still bluescreens. It was only after I checked the mainboards compatibility lists and chose a RAM from that list when the bluescreens stopped! Nothing else was changed. And both types of RAM were "the same" as far as part pickers like this one is concerned. So, same Type, Speed, Dual Channel etc. The "only" difference here was that the one that caused bluescreens was not on the mainboards compatibility list.

sspiff2• 12 years ago

I've had this issue as well, but that was over a decade ago, when using a smaller brand (ECS) mainboard for an Athlon XP. Eventually it was discovered that the mainboard didn't support Corsair memory, and the shop traded me some Kingston modules.

I have built many systems for myself, friends and family since, and never encountered this issue again.

ZoFreX3• 12 years ago

In practice, just because RAM doesn't show on the list of compatible modules in the motherboard manual doesn't mean it won't work. We're thankfully past the Athlon XP days! I've generally had luck just making sure all the specs match.

Edit: Although, if RAM is listed on the Pangoly site that is in the approved list, that should be indicated somehow, as it's guaranteed to be compatible.

ejjpi7• 12 years ago

Thanks for your constructive feedback. We are still under active development and we are rolling out new features every week. Although analogy with PCPartPicker was inevitable, I'd like to say we're not aiming on being its clone, we're not providing price comparison and they are already doing a great job providing extensive compatibility checks so there's no point wasting time reproducing what is already available. Pangoly provides preconfigured builds with full compatibility checks that may satisfy most of the people needs (having the ability to also remove/add extra components) and it has a lot of useful features that noone else already provides. I agree with you for the "lack of reviews" part, we'll sort that out soon enough. Stay tuned!

tobz• 12 years ago

So what benefit does your site provide? It sounds like all you really have is preconfigured builds in different levels of power - a sort of.. curated "best computer for $X" list.

incision• 12 years ago

Very nice.

I'm sure I'm not alone in having kicked around ideas for something like this for a long time.

Comparing PC builds has been an informal competition / game on various forums for many years.

I expect having more in the way of features to share, compare and feature/track builds could be very popular.

There are people who take great pride in meticulous builds. Giving them a platform to share their work would be great.

Likewise, have a look at any 'Lets Play' vid on YouTube or whatever and you'll see dozens of questions about the configuration that produced the video.

Hooking up with a popular 'caster such that they link to 'their' builds on Pangoly could be a great source of traffic.

Looking forward to seeing how this pans out.

joeyspn• 12 years ago

Comparing PC builds has been an informal competition / game on various forums for many years.

Exactly... the good ol' days at XtremeSystems forums come to my mind... :rolleyes:

dartonw• 12 years ago

The site looks great, but the "Learn" section is badly in need of some copy editing. Subject/verb pluralization disagreement and odd grammatical structure (to a native English speaker, many of the sentences sound awkward) are the biggest issues.

alexcroox• 12 years ago

Buying a new PC these week, started with the custom selection and went to choose the motherboard (Asus Maximus VI) it wasn't there, gave up.

xienze3• 12 years ago

Really neat! I'd like to see something where I could say "I want 32GB of RAM" and that would constrain my motherboard choices, for example. I could also see the same kind of thing working with power supplies and video cards.

rbanffy• 12 years ago

I can't assemble an i3 with 16 GB of RAM and no graphics card. Some work is needed.

greggman• 12 years ago

Why no info on multi-processor systems? Google provides their chrome engineers with 16 core, 64gig systems. Dreamworks provides even larger machines. So anything labeled "Expert" seems to need better options

buckbova3• 12 years ago

I don't work for google, but I wouldn't build specific machines but instead spin up a VM as needed.

Ambrosia• 12 years ago

Having two extra configurations for Linux gamers (open source and proprietary) would be pretty cool!

zkar• 12 years ago

Not sure if it would be possible to add the price for a similar configured PC from the major pc vendor sites like HP, Lenovo,Dell etc for comparison purposes.

mjgoeke• 12 years ago

Looks great, but I spent forever trying to figure out why clicking the tiles didn't do anything. I finally found that touching the tiles works.

I'm on a windows 8 touchscreen laptop, running the latest version of chrome.

Siecje• 12 years ago

For Power Supplies what is "80Plus Bronze"?

Why isn't the Power listed in the on hover dropdown?

dublinben4• 12 years ago

80+ Bronze is a certification of power efficiency. It's really the minimum quality you should be buying. Some people might prefer 80+ Silver, Gold, and Platinum rated PSUs, but they are not generally worth the slightly improved efficiency.

ShirsenduK• 12 years ago

Does anyone use a PC? Most use a Macbook.

genericuser• 12 years ago

It seems like a beautiful tool, however not having options to pick components I have a strong preference for such as Hitachi hard drives, and Silverstone cases for instance means I can't use it to build systems I might actually want to build ever.

I agree with other comments that if you want it to appeal to hobbyists you need a pretty massive build out of options.

johndoze• 12 years ago

With any mild usage these guys are looking to make a killing in Amazon affiliate earnings.

sspiff2• 12 years ago

Nice site! Some suggestions:

* Allow users to specify a form factor (like HTPC, μATX, mini ATX, ATX, ...) and filter components like mainboard and case by this.

* Allow users to use a different Amazon site for pricing info (.de/.fr would be nice for me personally)

mrkipling• 12 years ago

Agreed on the form factor filter. I'm currently planning out a high-powered mATX gaming/dev machine, but this site as it currently functions wouldn't let me do this.

jeena• 12 years ago

Bummer, I already have the stuff they have under "Pro" in my desktop and my laptop, and I think it is still too slow :-/

niico• 12 years ago

Very well built. Kudos to the founders. Also should add other options like home media centers and other stuff.

baby• 12 years ago

This is really really awesome and I'm gonna need something like this in the coming months. Only bad thing is that I need the price in € as I live in France.

tekacs• 12 years ago

In the UK there has existed for several years something almost exactly like this in the form of [PC Specialist][0]. Well worth checking out and in my experience more pleasant to interact with than this website (a simpler interface, without all the unnecessarily huge images and so on).

[0] http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/

xkiwi• 12 years ago

#1 Almost all games are created by PC, and port to console, not the other way around.

#2 Almost all games can play on PC, maybe just with lower setting.

#3 PC games are for people who like to discover => example how someone found out how to enable watch dog's E3 graph setting. But you have no control over console.

#4 Almost all console games are created by Pc, oh wait.

vacri3• 12 years ago

It really needs a section for "Operating System". Windows isn't free, and most build-your-owns will be a Windows machine. Other appropriate options should be available (linux/bsd/etc) along with a 'no OS' options, for people who might already have a free license.

dgorges• 12 years ago

Maybe it's just me, but I don't really care how my motherboard looks like. Means: I don't need to see those product photos, they could make space for more important information.

elktea2• 12 years ago

I like the design, but I would like a better overview when picking motherboards. Perhaps include number of PCI-E slots, number of USB slots, type of audio built in, type of video built in, that sort of thing.

cloudwalking• 12 years ago

Ditch the notices/warnings. Eg:

  > Don't worry about hardware compatibility, the following components are safe to be used in the same PC build.

It looks like an error, which it isn't. Instead, convey this in the UI--eg a small "100% compatible" / "compatibility guarantee" badge next to each product.

maxds• 12 years ago

I would like to offer some critical feedback. I just took a look at PcPartPicker and it seems so much better.

On my monitor I can see at most 9 components at a time on your site. On PcPartPicker its about 28. I don't see the images serving any purpose. Why should I look at an image of the processor's box? What information does it give me?

I also recommend the book Visual Display of Quantitative Information. It's in the YC library and its fantastic.

desktophound• 12 years ago

DesktopHound.com circa 2008 did the same thing.

snambi• 12 years ago

very nice site. operating system options are limited to windows though.

danbee• 12 years ago

I'd really like to see some Mini-ITX/Micro-ATX choices on there for people that want to build smaller systems.

clarry• 12 years ago

I really really hate browsing shops and reviews and manufacturer sites and all that, trying to find the build I want.. so a website to help with that would be nice. Unfortunately this is not it. The selection is not there, and it doesn't really allow me to set any criteria (without which I could buy anything and there'd be no problem to solve). The site also fails to provide an easy-to-glance overview of the differences between alternatives.

hoektoe• 12 years ago

Hello

I haven't used pcpartpicker, but went to have a quick look compared to yours. I can see a lot of work has gone into it. I like that you don't have to navigate away from the page.

1) Images are bit big 2) At first I struggled finding the divisions of parts. Maybe close all accordions except the first. This way it might feel more like steps. Currently all "steps" are open and options seem endless as its a page full of objects. Remember when scanning over a page, we basically first see a sillhoutte of major objects. 3) Maybe number accordions, so seems more like steps 1) Motherboard 2) CPU 4) Show important information without any action require by the user. Example some of the CPU's cannot immediately identify the Speed without reading the whole title.

Well done. Hopefully you see comments not as negative but constructive.

All of the best forwards

kbart• 12 years ago

I wish somebody would make a similar web tool for the power users. I spend at least few days every few years browsing countless sites and forums trying to choose an optimal build when upgrading my desktop. It should satisfy at least these requirements:

1) include most of available parts, not just few trendy ones (in this site I got only 8 motherboards and 6 CPU's for AMD)

2) do price/performance analysis on fly (with referenced to sources) and unobtrusively show better candidates on this aspect in the same price range

3) show small summary on parts when clicked: exhaustive specifications, release date, current price (depending on region), available newer versions or successors (if any)

4) no ugly tablet orientated design with big pictures (and why would I care how my RAM looks like anyway?), but clean, slim list with advanced details. This site looks super ugly on my 22", full HD monitor.

I understand that the biggest problem is to maintain up-to-date database, but I would even pay few bucks to use such tool to save my time.

owenversteeg2• 12 years ago

First of all, what is that shiny gold motherboard [0] on the front page? Secondly, I recommend that you add Amazon reviews as another feature - just like price and performance. Also, I think you should add in some kind of metric for mice and keyboards - # of buttons, DPI, activation weight, etc. Finally, I really like the UI of your site. Although it may not be as feature-rich as some competitors, it seems many HNers have forgotten the importance of a good design.

[0] http://pangoly.com/images/main-mb1.png

yellowapple• 12 years ago

First of all, what is that shiny gold motherboard [0] on the front page?

It's the ASUS Z87 Deluxe (http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/Z87DELUXE/)

owenversteeg2• 12 years ago

THANK YOU! That was driving me insane.

hqhakcer• 12 years ago

completely rip off!

rk0567• 12 years ago

It's cool :-) I've also been working on a similar project [0]. A side project, started around an year ago. Initially it was focused primarily on Indian users, now, I'm adding support for other currencies as well.

[0] http://assembleyourpc.net

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