Poll: HN readers, where's your residence?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3298905

by sasvari • 15 years ago

775 469 15 years ago

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Being that the majority of users are in the United States, it might be interesting to see a poll showing how many actually fall outside the NYC and SF areas.

brackin2• 15 years ago

I'm not sure the majority are from the US. Maybe it'll be the largest item but the others together may outweigh it.

mooism2• 15 years ago

When you say "England", do you mean "UK", or do you intend for residents of Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to be included under "(Rest of) Europe"?

Edit: Thanks for updating the poll option.

willvarfar2• 15 years ago

Nordic would be an interesting breakout; I get the impression they are overrepresented

Because of the timing of posting this poll, I imagine the results to be skewed towards Europe too.

lowglow• 15 years ago

San Francisco, all up in heeya!

danmaz748• 15 years ago

It would be interesting to compare the results of this poll with the access statistics from the server...

eLobato• 15 years ago

It's so nice that we can vote two options here. I spend half of the year in LA and the other half in Madrid :P

tcarnell4• 15 years ago

yay! I'm based in Madrid! and am looking for new projects come the new year... feel free to get in touch (tomcarnell.com)

johnfn• 15 years ago

The timing of this poll is definitely going to throw off the results. It's nearly 2AM on the US West Coast, and most people are going to be asleep.

danmaz748• 15 years ago

If it stays in the first page for 24 hours, the final result will be significant enough.

abp• 15 years ago

(in)significant enough, yes. "(Rest of) Europe" goes out through the roof and now guess which of the EU-countries.

ordinary• 15 years ago

We're currently 24 hours in. Saving results for posterity:

United States - NYC and SF area 1473 points

Canada 519 points

UK 590 points

(Rest of) Europe 1632 points

Australia/Oceania 271 points

South America 181 points

(Rest of) Asia/Pacific 247 points

Africa 76 points

(Rest of the) United States 2220 points

China 71 points

India 294 points

brackin2• 15 years ago

Although many Europeans are at work and may not be on HN, I'd expect to see the most votes from Asia.

itmag8• 15 years ago

"Although many Europeans are at work and may not be on HN"

Uhm, that's exactly why I'm on HN.

jann• 15 years ago

The timing isn't really the issue. As danmaz74 said, it needs to be on 24h.

If you would start it during the day in an US-timezone, other time zones would be underrepresented.

eliben3• 15 years ago

Since you'd like to get reliable results from all over the world, there's hardly any single suitable timing for such a poll. The only hope is for it to stay visible for close to 24 hours.

seltzered_• 15 years ago

that and I almost clicked united states half awake, before realizing the other united states (the rest of the states) was way down below.

pkrumins• 15 years ago

Riga, Latvia

qqqqqq• 15 years ago

10AM over in Norwich. I wonder if this poll can survive until the end of the US day, though, since at the moment they're all asleep.

digitalbanana• 15 years ago

Portugal!

icebraining• 15 years ago

Same here.

Z3UX• 15 years ago

me 2! :)

vs4vijay• 15 years ago

India

ablutop• 15 years ago

Switzerland...

wingerlang• 15 years ago

Sweden

shellehs• 15 years ago

China

trtwn• 15 years ago

Germany

chalst2• 15 years ago

Berlin, where there is something of a startup scene.

http://entrepreneursclub.de/2011/10/scb12-call-for-suggestio...

bluesmoon2• 15 years ago

Cambridge, MA, but recent transplant from the SF Bay Area

jorisvh• 15 years ago

Belgium

Luc• 15 years ago

Antwerp, or 'rest of Belgium'?

utnick• 15 years ago

brussels here

lrnt• 15 years ago

Same here.

richoakley3• 15 years ago

South Africa :) And visitors always welcome!

kenver3• 15 years ago

Just got back from holiday there. How do you get any work done in that heat!?

cfontes4• 15 years ago

Air Conditioners ?

kokey3• 15 years ago

I just got back to the UK from a 2 week holiday in SA. We went North of Pretoria where it was 38 degrees, but didn't feel too bad since it was a welcome break to the miserable cold in the UK and it was reasonably dry heat. I'm from SA originally, you get by with aircon in the office and in the car. Try having to wear a suit when the car's aircon is broken, it sucks.

richoakley3• 15 years ago

yeah it gets damn warm here! cape town (where I live) has a sea breeze so is a bit more moderate, though.

Synaesthesia• 15 years ago

It doesn't get unbearably hot, at least in Pretoria, and the winters are really mild.

richardkeller• 15 years ago

Nice seeing some fellow countrymen here!

santyor• 15 years ago

Ukraine!

PhilipDaineko2• 15 years ago

Minsk, Belarus

Virgoss• 15 years ago

Me too

danielhunt• 15 years ago

Ireland

aangjie2• 15 years ago

Hmm... Europe leads.. would be surprised if US did not come out on top by tommorrow this time..

- provided poll stays on top of course...

aangjie2• 15 years ago

Looks like i was biased towards america after all.....surprising to know that, given that am in India..Hmm

mweibel• 15 years ago

Switzerland

zumda2• 15 years ago

We are missing the option to chose 'Europe but somehow not really Europe'!

piranha• 15 years ago

Hey, I'm from Ukraine and I thought that should be my option! :)

danmaz748• 15 years ago

You mean not EU I guess... but how is Switzerland not really Europe?? :P

peng• 15 years ago

Asia/Pacific should be split up more.

One vote category that covers 60% of the world's population and 30% of Earth's land area is not very specific.

Australia has 22 million people and Canada has 35 million, while Asia (Oceania not included) has 3,900 million, yet the former two get their own country-specific categories.

timknauf2• 15 years ago

Agreed. As a New Zealander I guess I would technically fall into 'Asia/Pacific', but I can't bring myself to choose that because NZ has next to nothing in common with any Asian nation. Consider providing the regional option of 'Australasia' or, better yet, 'Oceania' instead of just the single-country 'Australia'.

polemic2• 15 years ago

We're oceania..

stelund• 15 years ago

China is split out, which is 30% of population in of Asia.

eftpotrm• 15 years ago

While that's not unreasonable, it's also IMHO not unreasonable for an English-language site to offer more specific categories for English-speaking regions than non-English speaking regions.

studiomohawk• 15 years ago

Japan

minikomi• 15 years ago

Shibuya-ku, Tokyo :)

ekianjo2• 15 years ago

Higashinadaku, Kobe

rluhar• 15 years ago

Minato-ku,Tokyo

yuvadam2• 15 years ago

Israel

maruz• 15 years ago

Napoli, Italy

relates2• 15 years ago

Beijing, China.

danoprey• 15 years ago

Jiandemen, Beijing.

relates2• 15 years ago

Wangjing Science Park, Chaoyang District

ivanshih• 15 years ago

Weihai, China.

btw0• 15 years ago

Beijing, China

NnamdiJr• 15 years ago

Beijing...

hugorodgerbrown• 15 years ago

Even as someone who lives in the UK, it would be interesting to split NYC and SF.

sathishmanohar• 15 years ago

India

test27542• 15 years ago

Kraków, Poland

hanula• 15 years ago

same here

kzkg• 15 years ago

and here

jawngee• 15 years ago

Vietnam via NYC.

nazar2• 15 years ago

Turkmenistan, suppose it goes into Asia/Pacific, though distinction such as South East Asia, Central Asia, and Middle East would have been nice.

zeynalov2• 15 years ago

nice to see someone from Turkmenistan!

nazar2• 15 years ago

I believe there are about 10 people from Turkmenistan here.

Nic0• 15 years ago

France

david927• 15 years ago

Nice, France

salavert• 15 years ago

From Spain, (Rest of) Europe

kenver3• 15 years ago

In Prague, Czech Republic, after abandoning the UK last year.

rplnt2• 15 years ago

What were your reasons if I may ask?

kenver3• 15 years ago

I needed a change of pace and wanted to do something new and interesting, then I met a lady here on a trip, so I took the opportunity :)

tonakai• 15 years ago

cheers, me too, except I am from Turkey.

celebdor• 15 years ago

Prague as well, at least we didn't have to mark it as eastern Europe.

kachnuv_ocasek• 15 years ago

Czech, too, closer to Brno, though.

SagelyGuru2• 15 years ago

Same here, out of the UK a couple of years earlier

cfontes4• 15 years ago

Brazil, one of the few I think.

swah3• 15 years ago

We're not that few.

cfontes4• 15 years ago

That's great to hear... I said that because I tried to pull a Brazilian Hacker News meeting in Campinas or São Paulo and go 0 answers... :(

chrisreichel• 15 years ago

Brazil++

juliano_q• 15 years ago

São Paulo here.

carlosedp• 15 years ago

São Paulo here too.

fallenlad• 15 years ago

uh? Asia could have been split up. 36 percent of the world lives in India and China

utkarshsinha• 15 years ago

Now it's around 39%.

b2spirit3• 15 years ago

I voted Africa, being from South Africa. When I clicked on the up-arrow, the number of points did not increment immediately. I had to refresh the page to see the new number of points. Poor user experience.

OoTheNigerian4• 15 years ago

Sup buddy? Lagos Nigeria here.

Are you in Capetown? I heard that is the SF of these parts.

ilitirit• 15 years ago

I'm from Cape Town. Some parts of it might be like SF, but maybe not so much in the startup sense.

b2spirit3• 15 years ago

I am in Pretoria.

richoakley3• 15 years ago

Hello fellow South African!

instakill• 15 years ago

One more for Joburg.

adrahon• 15 years ago

I'm in Douala, Cameroon... So, when's the Africa HN Meetup? ;)

sgt3• 15 years ago

Big continent.... :-)

okal2• 15 years ago

Kenyan here, from Nairobi. Most of my more geeky friends are HN lurkers.

cynest• 15 years ago

Los Angeles

salmanapk• 15 years ago

Pakistan

nonane• 15 years ago

Karachi, Pakistan here.

tabbyjabby• 15 years ago

Montreal, Canada

mushishi• 15 years ago

Finland

asmosoinio• 15 years ago

Me too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rwc3VGvlRY

fakelvis• 15 years ago

Given the timing of this poll (and it's European-bias as of 10:30 UTC) I would have been interested in a breakout between the European subregions (Eastern/Western/etc.).

(Although I guess limiting this as much as possible is desirable, otherwise there will be too many options available and the poll will not be very user-friendly.)

b2spirit3• 15 years ago

Please make the list easier to process by rearranging the options in the poll so that related regions are adjacent, e.g. I have regrouped the relevant options:

United States - NYC and SF Area

(Rest of) United States

China

India

(Rest of) Asia/Pacific

Another option would be to arrange the options alphabetically. In that case, "(Rest of) United States" would become "United States - Excl. NYS and SF Area" and "(Rest of) Asia/Pacific" would become "Asia/Pacific - Excl. China and India".

sasvari2• 15 years ago

unfortunately this is not possible once a poll is submitted (with additional choices being appended at the end)!

emwa2• 15 years ago

Africa, Nairobi Kenya.

OoTheNigerian4• 15 years ago

Are you in the iHub? what do you do. your profile is empty.

OoTheNigerian4• 15 years ago

Are you in the iHub? What do you do? your profile is empty.

emwa2• 15 years ago

Nope but I do go there sometimes. I am an engineer at a local ISP although I have several side projects (mobile apps)that I am currently working on.

okal2• 15 years ago

Same here :) I'd expected to see more iHubbers and Nailabs folks here, though.

handzhiev• 15 years ago

Bulgaria

Mz• 15 years ago

I'm in the (Rest of the) United States. I would like to move to (someplace else in) the (Rest of the) United States.

All I want for Xmas and all that. (Sigh.)

robbiec• 15 years ago

Netherlands

rickette• 15 years ago

Same here.

jaidev• 15 years ago

In the Solomon Islands on a 2G connection - to me HN is one of the most responsive sites around.

ankit28595• 15 years ago

But that does not seem to be too good as the sites that are linked might not be that small in size.

grigy• 15 years ago

Armenia - it's on the crossing of Europe and Asia, so I checked both :)

huherto2• 15 years ago

Mexico

chalst2• 15 years ago

Which is, along with the Carribean and much of Central America, not a possible response option to this quiz.

domador2• 15 years ago

I'm from Costa Rica, in Central America, not an option in this poll. I'd recommend adding Central America, or including it along with South America.

elboru4• 15 years ago

Let me ask, why is not a possible response option?

huherto2• 15 years ago

Actually, Mexico is in North America. Still, there is no possible response option in this quiz.

OoTheNigerian4• 15 years ago

Any person in Nigeria here? I dey hail o!

louislouis• 15 years ago

hong kong baby

itmag8• 15 years ago

Sweden here. Anyone else? :)

bjelkeman-again• 15 years ago

A bunch of us.

itmag8• 15 years ago

Might as well mention that I'm looking for a co-founder. See my startup ideas in my profile text.

superted• 15 years ago

Aye!

Zolomon• 15 years ago

Double yupp!

luastoned• 15 years ago

Europe / Austria

holzmann• 15 years ago

Germany

Renaud• 15 years ago

Hong Kong

jwr• 15 years ago

UK and "Rest of Europe", got to love this point of view :-) You might as well go ahead and say "UK" and "Europe", wouldn't be too far off the mark.

nadam2• 15 years ago

I would say "UK" and "Continental Europe".

patrickk• 15 years ago

Where does that leave Ireland and the Nordic countries?

rplnt2• 15 years ago

On a (loosely) related note, dividing Europe to West/East (perhaps Central) is purely political (it follows Berlin Wall[1]). For example, countries of V4[2] are in the middle[3] and yet they are called Eastern Europe. Another reason might be that most of the East is covered by Russia.

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Wall

2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visegrád_group

3. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/39/Europe_po...

fedd2• 15 years ago

the division could also be based on the population density. in the west it's higher -> the east-west boundary is to the west..

rmc• 15 years ago

dividing Europe to West/East (perhaps Central) is purely political (it follows Berlin Wall[1])

There has been a long history of splitting Europe into East/West, starting with when the Roman Empire was split into East & West. Though the definition of what's east and what's west has changed since then.

fedd2• 15 years ago

seems like the poll divides the world into SF(&NY), English speaking areas, China, and the rest of the world! :)

Kliment3• 15 years ago

Cologne, Germany. I'm running a 3d printing workshop on the weekend here. If you're interested, have a look at http://dingfabrik.de/2011/11/24/3d-drucker-an-einem-wochenen... (same info in English at http://blog.reprap.org/2011/11/reprap-prusa-iteration-2-buil... ). There's only a couple spots left though.

WA2• 15 years ago

That's pretty cool. Do you know of a similar place like DingFabrik in southern Germany (BaWü)?

Kliment3• 15 years ago

Yes! Where are you? I can get you some contact info.

seancron• 15 years ago

If I was near Germany at all I'd go to the workshop. I'm building my first Prusa with some friends this weekend. Hopefully everything will go well with our build. Best of luck with your workshop :).

Kliment3• 15 years ago

Get on the #reprap IRC channel on freenode. We're there to help.

darklajid• 15 years ago

Dang. We should've met before I left, I guess.. Ah well, I'm fairly certain I'll end up in CGN again in the forseeable future :)

itmag8• 15 years ago

An e-buddy of mine that would probably be interested in meeting you: http://www.richardspindler.com/ (he runs his own hackerspace)

Peaker• 15 years ago

Israel

JosephRedfern• 15 years ago

Wales, UK.

manuw• 15 years ago

Karlsruhe, Germany

eik3_de• 15 years ago

me too

kuratowsky• 15 years ago

From Majorca, Balearic Islands, Spain

orky56• 15 years ago

Bloomington, Indiana

hodbby• 15 years ago

Israel

duck• 15 years ago

One of these days I need to run a survey on my Hacker Newsletter (http://www.hackernewsletter.com) project, but here is the top 15 locations based on known locations via MailChimp:

USA 41.6%, United Kingdom 8.0%, Canada 5.1%, India 4.3%, Germany 3.7%, Australia 2.9%, France 2.0%, Netherlands 1.6%, Sweden 1.5%, Brazil 1.4%, Italy 1.2%, Poland 1.2%, Spain 1.1%, Portugal 1.0%, China 1.0%

sirwitti• 15 years ago

is there a reason why the uk is different from "the rest" of europe?

kokey3• 15 years ago

Because it is different.

It's not part of the Eurozone so doesn't use the Euro. (ok, other countries like Sweden also doesn't) More importantly, it's not part of the Schengen countries in Europe, which means that a visa that gets you into most EU member states won't get you into the UK. It also means there are border controls if you travel between the rest of Europe and the UK. You can travel all the way from France to Poland without having to show a passport or see an immigration officer. They also drive on the left of the road and measure in miles, unlike the rest of Europe. There are other cultural and historical reasons why the UK doesn't 'feel' like continental Europe, and I think these differences developed because of being an island and not physically connected to the rest of Europe. This makes the UK quite distinct from their neighbours, more than say Switzerland is different from their neighbours.

bnegreve• 15 years ago

You are suggesting that there are more cultural differences between France and England, than between France and Poland. I wouldn't say so.

fiznool• 15 years ago

It would be interesting to see a split of 'London, UK' and 'Rest of UK' as I reckon there will be a big percentage of UK HN readers in London. Coming from Bristol myself, it would be good to see what the split is outside of London. There is a focus right now on TechCity in London, but I believe there are lots of great things going on elsewhere in the UK. Specifically, Bristol and Bath (OK I might be a little biased there...)

gmazzotti• 15 years ago

Montevideo, Uruguay (South America) and in a few month from Chile (moving 6 month to Chile to participate in Startup Chile)

zeynalov2• 15 years ago

Azerbaijan

alfredo• 15 years ago

cape verde - Africa

MrRed• 15 years ago

France

nyellin• 15 years ago

Israel, voting for Asia. I am looking for fellow Israeli developers who want to hack on a startup at night.

YoungEnt• 15 years ago

You found one!

I live in Jerusalem, and I am also a web developer

g3orge• 15 years ago

Greece. (we are fine)

addyrookie• 15 years ago

India

bgoral• 15 years ago

Turkiye

sukuriant• 15 years ago

You forgot Washington. That also has a sizeable startup scene.

ukgent2• 15 years ago

UK,

faisalchohan• 15 years ago

Pakistan

corford• 15 years ago

Catalonia (French side)

joakimlob• 15 years ago

Switzerland here.

praptak• 15 years ago

Also see http://hackrtrackr.com/ - a locator of (for?) HN readers. Put yourself on the map too!

ldayley• 15 years ago

Time split between Idaho (60%), California (30%), and the rest of the US (10%).

Airballman• 15 years ago

France

marvinrmvista• 15 years ago

It would be really awesome if all the countries were represented.

marcamillion2• 15 years ago

Where is the Caribbean on that list?

Kingston, Jamaica!!

alfet• 15 years ago

Everything down the USA seems to be South America in the OPs eyes.

Cheers from Argentina!

personlurking2• 15 years ago

I'm a SF expat in Rio so not sure how to handle that. I clicked South America.

bazookaBen• 15 years ago

from Buenos Aires!

Jose_GD• 15 years ago

And from Corrientes!

burrokeet2• 15 years ago

Kingston, Jamaica also, and the Caribbean is NOT South America

tripa• 15 years ago

Sure, but there's no "Rest of World" option in that poll.

marcamillion2• 15 years ago

Do tell...are you a Ruby developer by any chance?

Odaym• 15 years ago

Lebanon

sirn• 15 years ago

Bangkok, Thailand.

I know few HN readers here, but most of them don't usually post.

lukeinth• 15 years ago

I do now ;)

crc5002• 15 years ago

Pattaya, TH

colinm• 15 years ago

เชียงใหม่!

eliben3• 15 years ago

Israel, which makes it (Rest of) Asia/Pacific

quizbiz• 15 years ago

Would you mind updating your entry with how many upvotes you have? I would take it to represent roughly how many others are from Israel as well.

edanm• 15 years ago

Not necessarily. I'm not sure most people will see the post, it's too far down.

E.g., idan's post "Israel!" lower down the page (at the moment).

P.S. I'm Israeli too.

eliben3• 15 years ago

Not sure it will work, since I've seen at least 3 other mentions of Israel, /before/ I posted mine.

kgutteridge• 15 years ago

UK here. It is interesting to how the poll was segregated! can I ask where you are from?

I've always thought that a lot of people from the UK are guilty of thinking US, UK, Maybe France, Germany, Spain, RoW (Rest of World)

Thankfully the internet and travel have made the world a smaller place and these opinions are starting to break down!

sasvari2• 15 years ago

the reason I made this distinction was mainly due to the cultural similarities the UK shares with the US (not only the language), which should result in the UK being overrepresented in this poll (compared to the rest of Europe).

I didn't want to split this up too much, and because of the (kind of) US-centric nature of HN I just wanted to get a rough estimate about where people reside.

Tichy• 15 years ago

Which cultural similarities that would lead to overrepresentation in this poll do you mean? The tendency to spend long hours on the internet?

onats• 15 years ago

Philippines

rrhm• 15 years ago

Dominican Republic

fsniper• 15 years ago

Turkey/Istanbul so This makes (Rest of) Europe

litmus• 15 years ago

Rest of Europe/Rest of Turkey

czzarr• 15 years ago

france

manchoz• 15 years ago

Turin, Italy

msinghai• 15 years ago

Jabalpur, India. The new, emerging Silicon Valley.

Achshar• 15 years ago

really? what about Bangalore?

ptn• 15 years ago

Perú.

gaurub• 15 years ago

Kathmandu, Nepal

m1chal• 15 years ago

(Rest of) Europe /poland/

faragon• 15 years ago

Barcelona, Spain (Europe). Nice weather here, even in December (15ºC, sunny day).

tcarnell4• 15 years ago

Cant HackerNews just publish the Google analytics stats for this?

frankacter• 15 years ago

Agreed. This seems like a more accurate representation.

flexterra• 15 years ago

San Juan, Puerto Rico. Woop!

thdn• 15 years ago

South America - Bolivia !

darkrho• 15 years ago

same here

shaquile• 15 years ago

Nice fact

raita• 15 years ago

Sweden

guard-of-terra• 15 years ago

I wonder how much votes would CIS (ex-USSR) get if it were separated from "(Rest of) Europe" which is currently getting majority of votes.

swatkat• 15 years ago

Bangalore, India.

pknerd2• 15 years ago

Wow! Few Pakistanis here! Quite unexpected for me,

I am from Karachi,Pakistan

slacko• 15 years ago

Finland/Italy

khalidmbajwa• 15 years ago

Islamabad, Pakistan. Actually quite surprised to see a few more of fellowmen here :)

pknerd2• 15 years ago

Feelings are mutual :-)

Actually there's no startup movement in Pakistan so visiting HN in Pakistan is quite unusual, atleast for me.

Cyph0n• 15 years ago

Al Ain, United Arab Emirates. Asia/Pacific for me then.

level09• 15 years ago

Middle East (UAE)

jwingy3• 15 years ago

In Singapore, though I'm from the U.S. :)

iworkforthem• 15 years ago

#02 in Singapore, from Singapore though. :P

d99kris4• 15 years ago

Also in Singapore, but from Sweden.

Saw in your profile that you're bootstrapping, do you find Singapore a good environment for a startup? I haven't really looked into it, yet..

sivers• 15 years ago

It's a pretty incredible community here. Hackerspace, e27, SGEntrepreneurs, Echelon, JFDI, SmartSpace, StartupRoots, FounderInstitute, F11, etc. So many startup meetups and events.

So if you need social/community support, there's lots of it in Singapore.

jwingy3• 15 years ago

Like Derek said, lots of good support and interest in the SG community. The government also (from my newbie eye) seems to be genuinely interested in promoting startups and creating a startup community.

On the flip side, unless your startup's market is geographically agnostic, I think you'll have to constantly remind yourself to look outside the SG market if you'll want any kind of real success, since the SG market is kinda small.

As for everything else (like talent pool), I'm not really sure yet as I've only been here for a few months :)

Gigablah• 15 years ago

In Singapore as well, originally from Malaysia.

amvp• 15 years ago

In Singapore too.

hboon3• 15 years ago

So it sounds like we have enough people to do a HN meetup @ SG? :)

redact207• 15 years ago

Sounds good, I'm in Singapore but from Aus

clloyd• 15 years ago

I'd be up for that too!

jwingy3• 15 years ago

fo sho. I think the local hackerspace would probably be a good place for it (though I'm not a member)....

Uncle_Sam• 15 years ago

Russia

LBarret• 15 years ago

France

mariana• 15 years ago

Caracas, Venezuela.

plq• 15 years ago

Okay, where would you put Turkey here? Europe or Asia? We're not totally Middle-Eastern, nor totally European. In fact, if you believe there's a cultural cliff between the Middle East and Europe, Turkey is that cliff, which makes it a cradle of contradictions and thousand-year-old battles.

Lacking the option to vote twice, I'd imagine the HN crowd from Turkey would consider themselves closer to Europe.

The time zone database, however, has this:

    d243875439adb3b667e82af04ad8be63  /usr/share/zoneinfo/Europe/Istanbul
    d243875439adb3b667e82af04ad8be63  /usr/share/zoneinfo/Asia/Istanbul

which is twice more "accurate" than whatever vote I'd cast on this poll :)

edit: Ah, turns out one can cast two votes. Anyway...

danmaz748• 15 years ago

It depends... on which side of the Bosphorus are you? ;)

kahawe• 15 years ago

Not Europe, if you ask a lot of Europeans :P

koenigdavidmj• 15 years ago

Not Constantinople?

speleding• 15 years ago

Perhaps PG could post a Google analytics chart?

irrumator• 15 years ago

HN does not use Google Analytics or any other kind of analytics tracking for that matter. I think they used to use mixpanel and had the mixpanel logo at the bottom of the homepage before though.

idan• 15 years ago

Israel!

ergo14• 15 years ago

Poland, GMT+1

axefrog• 15 years ago

Maybe PG would like to chime in with some actual figures from the logs? That'd give a pretty accurate guide to where HN readers are coming from.

holli• 15 years ago

Germany

czam• 15 years ago

Düsseldorf

magoghm• 15 years ago

Mexico (which is in North America).

virtualpain• 15 years ago

no Indonesian here?

xinuc• 15 years ago

halo, from Jakarta

vldo• 15 years ago

Europe / Romania, Oradea

salzo• 15 years ago

Colombia! :)

krembo• 15 years ago

Israel

sgt3• 15 years ago

South Africa

bearwithclaws• 15 years ago

Malaysia!

frankiewarren• 15 years ago

Kampala, Uganda. I'll admit I'm surprised by the geographic diversity. Maybe some traffic analytics would be interesting to compare.

mawueli• 15 years ago

Accra, Ghana-West Africa. I've always wondered where the hackers of the world were hidden. Theres a lot of them right here in Africa at www.meltwater.org

yesbabyyes• 15 years ago

Nice to learn that Meltwater alumni are here at HN! If Francis and Samuel from Streemio are still there, tell them Linus said hi!

5hoom• 15 years ago

NSW, Australia.

pitdesi• 15 years ago

Another data point... This is a snapshot of our (http://feefighters.com) google analytics visitors page for this year (~70k visits), filtered for news.ycombinator.com: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3446069/Screenshots/bc.png

US: 65%, CA: 7.4%, UK: 6.1%, Germany: 2.2%, Australia: 2.1%, India: 1.7%, Netherlands: 1%, France: 1%

Drilling down within the US: New York: 8.8%, SF: 8.6%, Chicago: 4.6%, Seattle: 2.5%, Austin, LA, Mt View: 2%, Boston: 1.5%, Palo Alto: 1.4%, Portland: 1.3%, Cambridge: 1.3%

Drilling down in the bay: SF 48% Mt View 11% PA 8% Sunnyvale 6% San Jose 5% Berkeley 4% Oakland 4% San Mateo 3% Santa Monica 3% Santa Clara 3% Stanford 2% Cupertino 2% Redwood City 2% Emeryville 1% Fremont 1% Menlo Park 1%

Which reminds me - a good way I like to check what the tech-iness of a city is to look at these stats, search for it in quora/reddit/hnsearch and take a look at the number of hits.

Caveats: Our site is currently tailored towards the US and Canadian markets and generally gets posted to HN during US waking hours.

If you want this report for your site: Create a custom report in GA that looks like this http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3446069/Screenshots/bd.png And drill into news.ycombinator.com

lsb• 15 years ago

That drilling down within the US doesn't stem to metro area!

SFBay: 12% (8.6% SF + 2% MV + 1.4% PA)

NYC: 8.8%

Chicago: 4.6%

BOS: 2.8% (1.5% Bos + 1.3% Camb)

Seattle: 2.5%

Austin: 2%

LA: 2%

Portland: 1.3%

gridspy• 15 years ago

Does FeeFighters work outside of the United States?

FeeFighters is able to help businesses in the United States and Canada. (Puerto Rico, US Virgin Islands, Guam and US Commonwealths are excluded, sorry!)

Does that skew your visitors towards USA? Totally.

I'm from New Zealand. I've learnt not to click on links to payment processors or risk disappointment.

mmahemoff• 15 years ago

Or it's also possible their stats are skewed in the direction of non-US people desperate for a sane payment system.

But yeah, major risk of bias one way or the other.

nl• 15 years ago

As others have noted, fee fighters isn't good proxy for international traffic.

I've seen the posts about it but never clicked through because it is irrelevent to me (from Australia)

samaraga• 15 years ago

Mangaluru,India

rayhaan• 15 years ago

Singapore

tcarnell4• 15 years ago

Do people post this stuff just to earn karma points? What use would this half-thought through data set provide? and who would use it?

Can we NOT repeat the same polls again?

I suggest creating a Hacker News 'polls' section which lists a permanent list of polls ideally with a public data API and bonus points for a pub/sub mechanism to help 3rd party application developers build something that might actually be useful...

I'll even build it for you, but only if there is a purpose to it all.

DanielStraight• 15 years ago

I posted a high-karma-earning poll once ("Do you know C?"). I suspected if it caught on, I would earn a bunch of karma, but I posted it because I didn't think as many people knew C as seemed to be commonly assumed (and because I couldn't find a previous poll on the same topic). Sometimes you just want to know how reality aligns with common belief.

Nevertheless, I think your idea is great.

gbog2• 15 years ago

I think there should be a log softener applied to submission karma.

domador2• 15 years ago

Like many such polls, this one needs an "Other" or "None of the above" option.

hemtros• 15 years ago

Nepal

jonpaul• 15 years ago

Nebraska, USA. I believe there are maybe like two other HN users from Nebraska =(

simonsarris• 15 years ago

I'm from New Hampshire and know how you feel.

dodyg• 15 years ago

Cairo, Egypt. I am originally from Indonesia and somehow I end up in Cairo after working/living in 7 countries.

atomical• 15 years ago

You should have put Chicago on that list.

erkin_unlu• 15 years ago

Dont forget Turkey please!!

mromaine• 15 years ago

Japan - only the 3rd largest economy in the world, gets grouped with "(Rest of) Asia/Pacific", while India, Africa, UK and Canada get their own spots ...? :)

zvikara• 15 years ago

Israel

mindcrime• 15 years ago

Chapel Hill, North Carolina, USA.

dh0913• 15 years ago

Durham here.

yliang84• 15 years ago

china

test27542• 15 years ago

It would be easier to just link to a website with ip location tracker. Maybe this: http://www.ipligence.com/visitor_extended/d2c1a444710bdca6d0...

alvivar• 15 years ago

What about Central America? I guess we are few in HN, but if it's not part of poll, we never know :( This happen in almost all the demographics polls here...

Can you add this option sasvari?

jlmendezbonini• 15 years ago

Indeed. We, central, are always "merged" into south america or Mexico depending on who you ask. I don't blame them though since in recent centuries we have not been a major world player.

elboru4• 15 years ago

Los gringos normalmente consideran Sudamérica a todo lo que esta por debajo de EE.UU. inluso México como en este caso.

j_camarena3• 15 years ago

I'm from Mexico to .. Please use english. HN's standard.

folkster• 15 years ago

The Truth: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/ycombinator.com#

marquis• 15 years ago

No Central America?

tokenadult2• 15 years ago

Even if the poll is posted for many hours on HN's front page, we shouldn't rely on it for an inference of where HN participants live, in the level of detail shown in the poll. Just three days ago HN had a good thread about gaps in statistics knowledge even among persons with a university education,

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3285742

and polls like this on HN are a good illustration (in the comments) about what people think they know about statistics that just isn't so. I've even prepared a FAQ on this issue, especially for HN polls, and here it is again for anyone who didn't see it last time.

VOLUNTARY RESPONSE POLLS

As I commented previously when we had a poll on the ages of HNers, the data can't be relied on to make an inference about the age distribution of HN participants, and similarly here we can't make a valid inference about the geographical distribution of HN participants. That's because the data are not from a random sample of the relevant population. One professor of statistics, who is a co-author of a highly regarded AP statistics textbook, has tried to popularize the phrase that "voluntary response data are worthless" to go along with the phrase "correlation does not imply causation." Other statistics teachers are gradually picking up this phrase.

-----Original Message----- From: Paul Velleman [SMTPfv2@cornell.edu] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 1998 5:10 PM To: apstat-l@etc.bc.ca; Kim Robinson Cc: mmbalach@mtu.edu Subject: Re: qualtiative study

Sorry Kim, but it just aint so. Voluntary response data are worthless. One excellent example is the books by Shere Hite. She collected many responses from biased lists with voluntary response and drew conclusions that are roundly contradicted by all responsible studies. She claimed to be doing only qualitative work, but what she got was just plain garbage. Another famous example is the Literary Digest "poll". All you learn from voluntary response is what is said by those who choose to respond. Unless the respondents are a substantially large fraction of the population, they are very likely to be a biased -- possibly a very biased -- subset. Anecdotes tell you nothing at all about the state of the world. They can't be "used only as a description" because they describe nothing but themselves.

http://mathforum.org/kb/thread.jspa?threadID=194473&tsta...

For more on the distinction between statistics and mathematics, see

http://statland.org/MAAFIXED.PDF

and

http://escholarship.org/uc/item/6hb3k0nz

I think Professor Velleman promotes "Voluntary response data are worthless" as a slogan for the same reason an earlier generation of statisticians taught their students the slogan "correlation does not imply causation." That's because common human cognitive errors run strongly in one direction on each issue, so the slogan has take the cognitive error head-on. Of course, a distinct pattern in voluntary responses tells us SOMETHING (maybe about what kind of people come forward to respond), just as a correlation tells us SOMETHING (maybe about a lurking variable correlated with both things we observe), but it doesn't tell us enough to warrant a firm conclusion about facts of the world. The Literary Digest poll

http://historymatters.gmu.edu/d/5168/

http://www.math.uah.edu/stat/data/LiteraryDigest.pdf

is a spectacular historical example of a voluntary response poll with a HUGE sample size and high response rate that didn't give a correct picture of reality at all.

When I have brought up this issue before, some other HNers have replied that there are some statistical tools for correcting for response-bias effects, IF one can obtain a simple random sample of the population of interest and evaluate what kinds of people respond. But we can't do that here on HN.

Another reply I frequently see when I bring up this issue is that the public relies on voluntary response data all the time to make conclusions about reality. To that I refer careful readers to what Professor Velleman is quoted as saying above (the general public often believes statements that are baloney) and to what Google's director of research, Peter Norvig, says about research conducted with better data,

http://norvig.com/experiment-design.html

that even good data (and Norvig would not generally characterize voluntary response data as good data) can lead to wrong conclusions if there isn't careful thinking behind a study design. Again, human beings have strong predilections to believe certain kinds of wrong data and wrong conclusions. We are not neutral evaluators of data and conclusions, but have predispositions (cognitive illusions) that lead to making mistakes without careful training and thought.

Another frequently seen reply is that sometimes a "convenience sample" (this is a common term among statisticians for a sample that can't be counted on to be a random sample) of a population offers just that, convenience, and should not be rejected on that basis alone. But the most thoughtful version of that frequent reply I previously saw here on HN did correctly point out that if we know from the get-go that the sample was not done statistically correctly, then even if we are confident (enough) that HN participants are young (in the case of polls on age) and American (in the case of polls on location), we wouldn't want to extrapolate from that to conclude that the users of any technology site are young, or that start-up founders in general are American.

On my part, I wildly guess that most HNers are residents in the English-speaking developed world, because the concerns of Hacker News are concerns of people living in developed countries and the language of discussion here is English. Moreover, Hacker News was founded by people in the United States. So it wouldn't be any surprise if a plurality of participants on Hacker News live in the United States, and a majority live in countries where English is a routine language learned in secondary education. But we can't conclude anything from this poll, whether it is on the HN front page for one hour, one day, or one week, about what the overall distribution is on HN of participants residing in "United States - NYC and SF area" as contrasted with "Australia/Oceania," or any other bin the data are sorted into, because the data are voluntary response data and are useless for modeling reality.

CWuestefeld• 15 years ago

One professor of statistics, who is a co-author of a highly regarded AP statistics textbook, has tried to popularize the phrase that "voluntary response data are worthless" to go along with the phrase "correlation does not imply causation."

And look how successful the campaign to educate about correlation versus causation has been...

Just as you note, people tend to believe whatever the heck they want to believe.

zerostar072• 15 years ago

Nobody argues that this is not scientific research, but that doesn't mean it's not interesting or useful. It also violates some of your expectations: the majority is not in the US, India is underrepresented despite English being their second language. And if i might add, despite their national focus on entrepreneurship, the UK numbers are low.

tokenadult2• 15 years ago

It also violates some of your expectations: the majority is not in the US

My tentatively expressed expectation was written in my post (grandparent to this post) as "So it wouldn't be any surprise if a plurality of participants on Hacker News live in the United States, and a majority live in countries where English is a routine language learned in secondary education." The word "plurality" does not mean the same thing as the word "majority." So far the poll results (which, for reasons I mentioned in the grandparent post, should not be taken as the last word on this issue) show the sum of "United States - NYC and SF area" and "(Rest of the) United States" comfortably outscoring any single country mentioned in the poll, which fits the definition of "plurality" for these purposes. But, yes, we have no idea where most HN participants live, and we have no idea who comes forward to answer yet another HN poll as contrasted with HN participants who use their HN time to discuss more verifiable factual issues.

skoob• 15 years ago

As I'm writing this the numbers are 2186 for the US vs 496 for the UK. The US population is almost five times the size of the UK, so the UK is actually overrepresented compared to the US.

keys1234• 15 years ago

Numbers for India is low because Indians are just waking up now =)

danmaz748• 15 years ago

You make a very articulate point, but let me disagree on this: It isn't true that a poll like this is "useless for modeling reality". It tells us the distribution of voluntarily given responses about the geographical distribution of registered users of HN who happened to see the poll and happened to want to answer.

How does this correlate to the absolute geographical distribution of readers? Or of registered, but maybe inactive, users? That is difficult to guess. But the information from the poll is, for me, already very interesting.

By the way, I'll add that even with polls you can always only measure voluntary responses, even if the sample is randomly extracted, and there is no way around this.

thurn• 15 years ago

They're still better than basing your opinions on anecdotal data. For example, I previously believed that the majority of HN users were in the Bay Area, mostly because it seems like users mention that they're there a lot. I was probably basing that opinion on less than a dozen data points.

smackfu• 15 years ago

Is it really better? You put a lot of anecdotes together in a non-proper sample, the result is still junk data.

j_baker2• 15 years ago

Forgive me if this is a dumb question, but what is "voluntary response data"? Is the author arguing that the only statistically valid way to do a study is to put a gun to peoples' heads and demand that they take a survey? I can't think of many ethically sound ways to conduct a study without responses being voluntary.

drewcrawford• 15 years ago

Think about if the poll were (the horror!) political. The person who responds to that kind of poll is the intersection of:

1) An HN reader

2) Somebody who thinks politics on HN is a good idea

3) Somebody who is on HN / has free time TODAY, skewing the distribution in favor of certain verticals that are in a low point of their seasonal cycle or against startups in a coding marathon

4) Somebody who personally cares about politics sufficiently to have an opinion strong enough to want to be counted, this is likely to skew the distribution in favor of extremes

In contrast, if pg picks 1000 random HN users and personally asks them the poll question via e-mail, some of these biases evaporate. And you lose the "interested bystander" effect whereby more interested people tend to want to take the poll, because the only way to take it is by personal invitation.

polemic2• 15 years ago

The primary use of online polls, these days, appears to be for news websites to generate hooks for articles, leading to all sorts of spurious conclusions and misleading headlines.

Oh wait...

davidhollander• 15 years ago

> because the data are voluntary response data and are useless for modeling reality

Unless the reality you seek to model is regarding voluntary responders. Just pretend the OP said "those volunteering information to Hacker News (commentators)" instead of "Hacker News readers".

tzury• 15 years ago

I find one fact quite interesting.

All 8 Israelis have added Israel separately rather than voting up, commenting under existing one.

I wonder what doe this say about us.

yuvadam2• 15 years ago

First. Learn to use Ctrl+F :)

nir• 15 years ago

There should be a "Middle East" option.. Asia/Pacific is too wide to be really meaningful

muloka• 15 years ago

Bermuda represent!

joshes• 15 years ago

I would imagine that the Washington DC Metro area (DC, Northern Virginia, Maryland) has a reasonably sized proportion of that "(Rest of the) United States" total. The startup scene, and tech scene in general (largely thanks to defense contractors), are quite active here.

enewcomer• 15 years ago

Kigali, Rwanda. Represent!

DodgyEggplant• 15 years ago

In front of the computer

soori• 15 years ago

Mangalore, India

yanovskishai• 15 years ago

Israel

m0th872• 15 years ago

Being from the (rest of the) US, what disturbs me about this poll is how much entrepreneurial talent we might be missing out on.

At current count, ~2/3 of readers are from outside the US. These results seem to be backed up by pitdesi's post.

Since HN is so centered on startups, that's quite a few founders and potential entrepreneurs who could be working on the next Google. And all things being equal, there is a 2/3 chance that that next Google won't be happening in the US.

The Valley is amazing, but it's nothing without talent. Making our immigration law more amenable to founders obviously won't cause a mass migration of founders here, but surely some will be attracted to our awesome startup hubs. And we need every edge we can get.

We really need a startup visa.

---

Edit: A couple of the responses have misinterpreted what I was hoping to convey. Of course I don't think everyone is dying to come to the US. What I am simply arguing is that 1) HN is a decent proxy of the startup community, 2) much of that community is outside of the US, 3) is there anything the US can do to attract some of that talent?

This is a question every country should be asking themselves, because startups are engines of prosperity. For the US, I think the startup visa is a good solution.

PhilipDaineko2• 15 years ago

Didn't read all previous comments, but your last sentence is really cool.

Here, in Belarus, we have a startup challenge called "Belarus Startup" and the prize is a payed trip to the Valley :)

Startup visa is a cool idea

m0th872• 15 years ago

For what it's worth, I didn't coin the phrase. AFAIK, pg started the conversation with the founder visa post: http://www.paulgraham.com/foundervisa.html

And it has since evolved to the startup visa campaign: http://startupvisa.com/

davedx3• 15 years ago

Conversely, not being based in the US comes with lots of disadvantages, such as terrible payment gateways, unfriendly tax and small business legislation, and smaller networks of entrepreneurs. Here in Ede, the Netherlands, I feel pretty isolated, and I imagine a lot of people in Europe also do unless they live somewhere like London or Amsterdam.

patrickaljord• 15 years ago

I live in Peru but created my corporation in the US in Delaware just to get the gateways and other US services.

bbx• 15 years ago

You're not that isolated. My brother was born in Ede and I still have family there.

Here in France, the web is highly concentrated in Paris (I'd say 80% of all the activity), so it's not uncommon to have geographical disparities.

mattm2• 15 years ago

I'm only willing to work remotely at the moment and lately I've noticed more and more American companies only willing to deal with remote workers inside the US.

brc• 15 years ago

Not being based in the US comes with advantages as well.

For example, I don't have to worry about getting health insurance for me or any employees or contractors.

This makes a big difference to startup costs and getting people to work for you.

danmaz748• 15 years ago

I really think that we in the EU should start lobbying the EU Parliament and Commission to get a better environment for (especially web) startups. It will take time, but if we don't start doing that, it will take even longer...

perfunctory• 15 years ago

What stops you from moving to Amsterdam?

pohl• 15 years ago

I mistakenly bumped-up the NY/SF answer, thinking (in haste) that it was all-inclusive of the U.S. I'm in Omaha.

kingsley_202• 15 years ago

"We" don't need a startup visa, "the USA" might. I'd prefer that Indian entrepreneurs capitalized on the excellent opportunities available at home. I support the startup visa in the spirit of supporting choice, but I resent the implication that the whole world should send its talents to the valley.

nekojima2• 15 years ago

I'd like it if India and other Asian countries had a 'start-up visa'. Currently its usually too difficult to start-up a company using business or tourist visas for most Asian countries, let alone the police registration issues for even short-term residency and the actual legal registration of a local business (which can take longer than the longest available visas), if that's pursued at all.

I have tried start-ups in several Asian countries, and have assisted friends with other attempts, so have faced these issues repeatedly.

bluesmoon2• 15 years ago

Hey Kingsley, do you consider yourself from India, from the SF Bay Area or from both? Note, I don't mean ethnically ;)

brainless• 15 years ago

As an entrepreneur from India, the only issue is a lot of these payment gateways, and licenses of different kinds are easier to get from US. If those become more global I personally would prefer starting and running from India.

j_baker2• 15 years ago

Two things:

1. It's awfully presumptuous for you to assume that all these people are just raring to come to the US and the only thing holding them back is the lack of a startup visa. Perhaps people don't live in the US because they want to live where they are?

2. Sheer numbers don't mean shit. The Valley has the best concentration of engineering talent anywhere. Opening up the floodgates to anyone and everyone isn't necessarily a good idea.

foca• 15 years ago

In this regard I love what Chile is doing with Startup Chile. You guys seriously need something like that, where you just grant visas to smart founders.

I still wouldn't like to live in the US, but I totally support that you become more open :)

mkramlich• 15 years ago

Alternately, they could always just SSH into the US. Much easier, faster, cheaper.

jphackworth• 15 years ago

All things being equal, there is a 2/3 chance that that next Google won't be happening in the US.

In this case, all things are not equal. Being located in the US and specifically in Silicon Valley makes a lot of venture-backed startup life easier, whether you need cofounders, investors, advisors, or employees. It's not a coincidence that Google, Apple, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Zynga, and Yahoo are all in the same area.

fuzzix• 15 years ago

"It's not a coincidence that Google, Apple, Facebook, LinkedIn, Twitter, Zynga, and Yahoo are all in the same area"

Dublin?

I kid. But seriously, come to Ireland startups! Tax haven! Economy in ruins! Need jobs!

I might move to the states but it seems counter-productive to me to move from one insane theocracy to another.

dusanbab• 15 years ago

Regarding your edit - I can't understand why anyone doing a startup wouldn't want to be based in the US!

Better executive talent, great engineering talent (but perhaps expensive given demand), plenty of VCs, angels etc & importantly, exit opportunities. As another commenter mentioned, the sheer amount of successes (in the Valley especially) isn't coincidence.

The Startup Visa initiative is a great idea, but is that ever going to happen? The current US immigration system is an extremely good filter at keeping generally law-abiding entrepreneurs out, but letting in the exact kind of individuals it purports to protect the US from.

If you're going to keep potential job-creators out in this economy, why let anyone in?

dignan• 15 years ago

"(Rest of the) United States" and "(Rest of) Europe" seem too broad, since they have by far the largest numbers of votes :(

There should probably be a separate poll for the US and Europe where regions within Europe and the US are differentiated :)

EricDZ• 15 years ago

Philadelphia!

g7morris• 15 years ago

Amsterdam, The Netherlands

ClintonWu• 15 years ago

NYC!

armandososa• 15 years ago

Uhm, I'm in Mexico and Mexico is in North America.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_America http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_America

See?

postfuturist• 15 years ago

My first thought when I read the poll was, "What about everything between the US and South America?". I think the way these polls are written tells more about the person writing the poll than anything else. I can't imagine the usefulness of splitting the US into NYC/SF and everything else. Likewise with splitting the UK and the rest of Europe.

polshaw• 15 years ago

The UK is definitely a special case cf. the rest of Europe. For one, there is common language to consider. Secondly, it appears the UK makes up the next largest userbase after the USA. It is as if to say 'why separate Canada from the US'. Similarly, NYC and SF are the prominent start up areas. Knowing who is in and out of these has uses.

My take was that the OP would like to do every country, but obviously must limit numbers to something sensible.

altuzar• 15 years ago

Je suis @ Mexico aussi. We are North America!!!

ruycer• 15 years ago

I am in Mexico too. So either North America if you go for a geographical division, or Latin America, if you wish to characterize culturally.

j_camarena3• 15 years ago

Same here, from Baja.

dkoch• 15 years ago

Charlotte, NC

zeratul• 15 years ago

Poll results roughly correlate with my web app visitors ("When is good time to post on HN?"):

  California + New York 2,516

  Rest of U.S. 3,661

  United Kingdom 797 

  Canada 618 

  India 364 

  Germany 293 

  France 233 

  Australia 221 

  Netherlands 133 

  Sweden 131 

  Italy 96

jmarbach• 15 years ago

Here's a map of over 5,000 IP's referred from Hacker News: http://jmarbach.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Hacker-News-M...

rkalla• 15 years ago

Tucson, AZ

bad_user• 15 years ago

Amazing how global this community is - I always felt like an outsider, as I'm not from the US, apparently I was wrong.

zerostar072• 15 years ago

Being from the (Rest of ) Europe it surprises me how many we are and how little we know about each other here. I know there are some startup valleys in Israel or Estonia etc, but I shouldn't be visiting a US-centric forum to figure it out. Do European entrepreneurs have a similar forum?

Plus I d like to see whats the distribution in the EMEAs

cavilling_elite• 15 years ago

Maybe pg could release a picture of a few months of Google analytics or the like on a map.

Balauru• 15 years ago

Romania/Sibiu

elboru4• 15 years ago

I don't fit in any of those categories, I'm from México. :) Maybe you could change "South America" to "Latin America"

lupatus• 15 years ago

Alaska

runjake• 15 years ago

I would have preferred to see more options for the US. It's a big country. The Pacific Northwest region in particular, seems to be gaining some entrepreneurial fire, but maybe I'm just biased.

SagelyGuru2• 15 years ago

Funny, how two by far the most numerous categories are dismissively described as "Rest of ...".

hendrix• 15 years ago

seattle, wa

protez• 15 years ago

Seoul, South Korea. Any other HNer?

shard• 15 years ago

Seoul via Los Angeles

avirambm• 15 years ago

Israel

urlwolf• 15 years ago

Berlin.

johanjessen• 15 years ago

Wow, we Europeans sure do love our Hacker News!

nigma• 15 years ago

Central Europe/Poland

xpda• 15 years ago

Pryor.

akcreek• 15 years ago

Louisville, KY - hacking meca!

jarnix• 15 years ago

Paris, France, it's a country in "the (Rest of) Europe"

escusado• 15 years ago

Mexico

jasonwilk• 15 years ago

How about breaking up the US cities that have a large tech presence? Los Angeles, Boulder, Austin? Just saying NYC/SF area is offensive.

lwat• 15 years ago

'Straya represent

jpadilla_• 15 years ago

San Juan, Puerto Rico!

aaronsung• 15 years ago

Hong Kong, China

snickers• 15 years ago

Where is the "other" option?

quadrant6• 15 years ago

New Zealand

joshwa• 15 years ago

Time for a China HN Meetup?

ekianjo2• 15 years ago

It's a bit disappointing to see "Japan" (where I live) as part of "rest of Asia/Pacific" while UK gets a entry all for itself. Japan is one of the most active technological hubs in the world, it deserves to be treated a single location.

alkimie• 15 years ago

How about the Middle East?

Hinrik• 15 years ago

Iceland

cr4zy• 15 years ago

Mesa, AZ

chip80• 15 years ago

Interesting to notice that the poll will reach only people that:

* read the post

* want to disclose

* know how to vote :-)

It would be nice if HN exposed some stats like this, if you use GA I suppose it is quite easy.

What about a stats section with some general stats available to the public ?

dbox• 15 years ago

I am in China. Most web pages outside of the country are blocked or monitored...

TheUmair• 15 years ago

Pakistan

pkudel4• 15 years ago

Malta

sp00nman• 15 years ago

me too, lots of jobs for web developers over here these days

naveedtariq• 15 years ago

Lahore, Pakistan

zura2• 15 years ago

Only 70 from China?

I wander if they have their own HN, along with Baidu and Weibo :)

zura2• 15 years ago

Georgia (Europe, non-EU)

hawat• 15 years ago

Poland

elimisteve• 15 years ago

Santa Barbara, CA. (Come by SB Hackerspace if you're around!)

apas• 15 years ago

I'm from Greece, just moved in Vienna.

_THE_PLAGUE• 15 years ago

I live in a van down by the river.

shellox• 15 years ago

Germany

blackdivine• 15 years ago

Pakistan? :(

cefarix• 15 years ago

Although I live in Dallas, TX, USA... still good to see my fellow Pakistanis here! As I write this I am actually visiting in Pakistan for a few days.

ceoloide• 15 years ago

I'm reading from Milan - Italy

chopsueyar2• 15 years ago

Southwest Florida

...soon to be West Virginia.

wallzz• 15 years ago

Algeria

redouane• 15 years ago

nice, i thought i was the only algerian here

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