Microsoft to shut down Wunderlist in favor of its new app, To-Do

https://techcrunch.com/2017/04/19/microsoft-to-shut-down-wunderlist-in-favor-of-its-new-app-to-do/

by madhukarah • 9 years ago

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hedgew• 9 years ago

I was never a big fan of Wunderlist, it was too much eye-candy and too few features for me. But it was the best todo app the whole family could use. Support for all platforms, simple list sharing, and the ability to set custom backgrounds and colors..

Not sure what will replace it. Almost certainly not Microsoft To-Do, though. Seems too opinionated for a todo system and lacks critical features.

dorianm• 9 years ago

It was a pretty interesting company:

http://chadfowler.com

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wunderlist

djsumdog2• 9 years ago

Hmm. I didn't realize they were German.

thrawn0r2• 9 years ago

They are both American.

hboon• 9 years ago

Duncan Davidson (Photographer, Creator of Ant & Tomcat) also works there.

dannylandau• 9 years ago

Really sad! One of the few web to-do applications that I use daily and really enjoyed.

mcintyre19942• 9 years ago

I wonder why they didn't just rebrand Wunderlist like they did Accompli (into mobile Outlook).

blahblah126• 9 years ago

It's pretty much a replica of the original app. It's being developed by the same team that made Wunderlist as in Chad Fowler and company (he has a larger portfolio now). Most of these comments are probably unnecessary. The original team still works at MSFT The app is simply a rebrand that's trying to add additional features over time.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/fowlerchad/

gorbachev• 9 years ago

It is not a replica of Wunderlist. I'm a long time Wunderlist user, and Microsoft To-Do only implements a subset of the Wunderlist features. It's close, but several important organizational features, like sub tasks and nested lists/projects are not there.

mcintyre19942• 9 years ago

I know it's the same team and I'm sure it'll reach parity/inherit their existing roadmap, but with Accompli they literally just rebranded it Outlook and released as is - complete with support for gmail etc. remaining. I'm just curious why they didn't do the same here, I'm sure there's a good reason and it'd be interesting to hear it.

campuscodi• 9 years ago

If any other news site would submit this article it would be marked as "blog spam" and replaced with the original announcement, which is here: https://blogs.office.com/2017/04/19/introducing-microsoft-to...

curiousgal• 9 years ago

The bulk of moderation on HN is done by the users so if you see something that violates the rules flag it.

pbhjpbhj• 9 years ago

Is that true? Flagging for moderation is quite different to actually moderating - the moderators are free to ignore flags, users can't tell how flagged something is AFAICT.

TorKlingberg2• 9 years ago

Then the headline would get changed to "Introducing Microsoft To-Do—now available in Preview", and everyone would be confused.

Tehnix• 9 years ago

Goddammit, first Sunrise Calendar and now Wunderlist? :(

I feel like I'll just go back to Reminders again, and try to stick with standard clients for these things...

kevingrahl• 9 years ago

I really miss Sunrise, have you found a good replacement for it?

manuelflara2• 9 years ago

Not OP, but as an iOS alternative I use Fantastical, but lacks several important features that Sunrise had. Still looking for a real alternative.

slazaro• 9 years ago

I initially thought that you said they sunset Calendar (Google Calendar) and I freaked out thinking that I'd missed the announcement.

joshschreuder• 9 years ago

Sad news, Wunderlist was very handy.

Does anyone have a recommendation for a similar app with shared lists? To-Do doesn't handle this (or a bunch of WL functionality for that matter)

anlif• 9 years ago

Google Keep, as suggested by others here. I'm sceptical though, since I'm using both apps now but feel that they are very complementary. Might just be habit.

jhasse• 9 years ago

I can recommend https://ticktick.com

CMay2• 9 years ago

Wunderlist will keep working until Microsoft To-Do has those features. Once they're done implementing those, you can import your Wunderlist and transition over.

cafebabbe2• 9 years ago

Okay i've been fucked by several todos apps now, I think i'll switch to emacs and self-hosting...

preek• 9 years ago

Did that one year ago and have never been happier with my todo and references setup!

Good luck to you^^

bastih• 9 years ago

Especially with the Android-Apps that support org-mode, this actually isn't too bad of a setup.

sametmax• 9 years ago

The thing is, for something critical, you should not use a software that doesn't have:

- an open source self hostable implementation, even if they offer a paid instance to ease your life.

- an open format in which you can get your todos entries

- an offline client that will still work even if the online instance closes

cafebabbe2• 9 years ago

Yup, totally agree. Lesson learned!

littlehood• 9 years ago

I've started using Standard Notes, but it kind of feels like it's still beta.

TeddyDD• 9 years ago

That's why I use todo.txt TaskWarrior and org mode are interesting as well. I have to look into differences between then.

xaedes• 9 years ago

Sounds like Bullet Journal. Will still work in a hundred years. Heck even the offline client could work thousands of years if properly stored^^

Started to use it because of some HN comment suggested it and I am so happy to started this. The only todo system that really stuck with me over time.

djsumdog2• 9 years ago

Same here. I used Astrid, which Yahoo acqui-killed and I totally missed the memo that Microsoft owned Wunderlist.

cholantesh• 9 years ago

There's a really nice, feature-complete open source clone of Astrid in the Play store. It's not quite as charming, though.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

Damn, now I need to move faster. My app must be ready by the time they close Wunderlist. I expected an eventual closure, but not that soon.

I've spent the last two years developing a todo app that would be a good replacement for Wunderlist (and Astrid, if anyone still remembers that).

The app will include with some major / critical features both those apps lacked: proper hierarchies / first-class subtasks, automatically-activated contexts (e.g. location), snooze for arbitrary durations, a robust implementation of recurring tasks, and an infinite calendar-like timeline to look ahead.

I went full waterfall on it, the spec is 266 pages long and took half a year just to write. I'm currently testing an Android alpha version, and, for me, it works ridiculously well, much better than Wunderlist, which sat on my homescreen since August 2013.

roryisok• 9 years ago

I do remember Astrid! it was my goto app when I first got a smartphone.

I use WP8 day to day but dabble in Android, I'd love to give your app a spin...

thewhitetulip• 9 years ago

astrid is open source now and available on play store.

piyush_soni• 9 years ago

And then one day a tech giant will contact you for acquisition and ....... :|

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

Yes, I'm aware of this problem. First, we're unlikely yo be acqui-hired, because we're based in Russia. Second, I simply don't believe that this app will reach the levels of success similar to Wunderlist or Todoist :)))

But I definitely think that there should be a legal way of protecting existing users of an app from "Our Incredible Journey". Maybe some clause that permits the authors to open-source the app.

Are there any examples of this in the industry?

Rotareti• 9 years ago

Sounds great! I hope it will succeed. The MS cloud is something I prefer to stay away from.

wikibob• 9 years ago

One thing that is great about wunderlist is the truly instant sync. Have you been able to replicate that? I vaguely remember reading an interview somewhere about how they accomplished it.

tucosan• 9 years ago

Except that it often does not work, when working on shared lists.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

Yes. We're using Realm for realtime sync.

afarrell• 9 years ago

the spec is 266 pages long and took half a year just to write

How many times did you make paper/cardboard mockups and user-test the interactions?

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

Quite a lot. Instead of paper, I preferred on-screen prototypes created in Photoshop and displayed as images on a phone screen.

disiplus• 9 years ago

wunderlist was the only todo app for me that stuck, mostly because it was simple to use, i would drop allmost anything to wunderlist without much structure. and thats why i kept using it. keep the advanced feadures but dont let them cluter the UI .

stymaar2• 9 years ago

I went full waterfall on it, the spec is 266 pages long and took half a year just to write.

Why would you write a ~9k “loc” long spec over 6 month instead of coding it directly ? The only reason I can think of, is if you want to out-source the development. Is there any good reason to work this way on a one-man project ?

roel_v2• 9 years ago

Not OP, but once you have a spec, it's much easier to code up. If you're designing while you're coding, you have to switch all the time between 'how should this work' and 'how do I build this'. Thinking and writing down how something should work, should always be the first step - regardless of whether you're on your own or in a big team.

(before the obvious objection: exceptions are toy programs which you write to find out how to build something, in which you focus on the technical aspects. The technical aspects ('how does it work') don't matter for the end user (= your potential customer), they only care about 'what does it do'.)

_jal• 9 years ago

Is there any good reason to work this way on a one-man project ?

(Not the OP.) At least for me, emphatically yes.

From your question, it sounds like you're only considering the communicative value of a spec. That's of course important, but I consider it secondary.

Writing a good spec forces you to think through what you're developing in an orthogonal way. You're thinking through flow, cohesiveness, design, some implementation, UI, etc. together at a high level.

I love having the time to write a spec when I'm building something nontrivial. I've found numerous problems that I wouldn't have otherwise by doing so, ranging from simple UI problems/contradictions to spotting unconsidered assumptions that would have lead me down dead ends.

A spec and the application should naturally co-evolve during development to some extent. But the spec also provides an anchor for what you're doing, as well as a map. It is very, very helpful if you Do It Right(tm), no matter the size of your team.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

(OP here) This is not a one-man project. I'm the founder, and there's a UI designer and two coders - which makes it 4 people total. And we'll add another dedicated coder for iOS development, when we find a good one.

aquadrop• 9 years ago

It's so you won't have multiple 'ooh' moments a year in coding - "I need to change that base thing, will require large rewrite". Or at least decrease possibility of it. Six months seems a bit too long even for 266 pages specs though.

rl3• 9 years ago

I went full waterfall on it, the spec is 266 pages long and took half a year just to write.

Wow. It's nice to see extensive planning like that. I usually just throw anything that seems like an important idea into a text file on the assumption that it'll be fully hashed out during production at a later time. That method entails far less work, with the caveat of occasionally wondering if you're delusional from time to time.

In any case, good luck. I hope you kick ass. If Microsoft employs their usual design aesthetic, doing so should be very possible.

emodendroket• 9 years ago

IMO your biggest competition is probably just whatever comes installed on the phone.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

In case of this project (btw, here's a temporary website: http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/), it was impossible to quickly throw it together. I had to think it through in one single chunk.

The app combines four intersecting concepts:

1. Infinite timeline with addressable days. 2. Recurring tasks that support this infinite timeline. 3. First-class subtasks, which have all properties of normal tasks. 4. Contexts, which hide tasks from the list based on certain conditions.

I simply couldn't create a working mental model that accounts for all possible interplay of these concepts without speccing it out in advance.

AdamGibbins• 9 years ago

If you need another tester I'd be happy to help out :)

Currently I use OmniFocus, primarily due to the start dates which hide things until they're relevant, which so many apps (including Wunderlist) lacked. Sadly the Android support is poor and only covered by 3rd party clients that lag massively behind in functionality.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

Thank you :) I've added a beta signup form at the bottom of the page: http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/

huhtenberg3• 9 years ago

I've spent the last two years developing a todo app

Without seeing what you have, a general remark would be that everyone and his cousin has clocked at least some time developing at least one ToDo app. It's a right-of-passage thing for a lot of developers, just like a Weather app is the same for UX designer wannabies.

BTW, what set Wunderlist apart is not the features first and foremost, but their bold in-your-face marketing rooted in very pretty visuals and a fake arrogance routine. Whether they had proper hierarchies / first-class subtasks was quite secondary.

intoverflow22• 9 years ago

what set Wunderlist apart

A nice wood texture (not even joking, was totally sold on the visuals in the early days)

kesor• 9 years ago

What set Wunderlist apart is that they have been the archive of my project ideas for the last who knows how many years. While other apps came along and disappeared, I was sure Wunderlist was just "there" when I needed it.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

(OP here) I've set up a quick website with more detailed descriptions and some screenshots: http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/

I'm absolutely aware of the rite-of-passage thing, but I'm doing this because I NEED a proper, working todo app. My life will crumble without it. And I'm prepared spend my time and money on it. In any case, there's no going back to Wunderlist now.

As for marketing, I'm not worried. All I want is a working todo app, and it will be great if it turns out to be useful for other people.

radiorental2• 9 years ago

just like a Weather app is the same for UX designer wannabies

20 year UX veteran, this is the first I've heard of this (o; Not a criticism, certainly made me smile, but I've not heard or seen this before.

(that said, I work mostly in enterprise, this might just be a mobile thing)

bitexploder• 9 years ago

It is fine, occasionally a neat idea or concept emerges, but I just use Org mode and Agenda now. I always see or hear people eventually giving up on Emacs for some pretty new editor (VS Code) or finally quitting vim because they "feel more productive" somewhere else. Or using some new and random TODO app. Meanwhile, I have been using the same system for 7 years and I know it will work on any platform any time and my data is all plain text and not under control of any third party. Finally, I have a depth of features most TODO apps /still/ lack. But there is a huge reluctance to embrace this work style, but I think it is a short term gains / long term gains problem and most people end up with whatever is shiny and in the moment, but it will get abandoned over the long haul. My text based system will work in 10 years. Will whatever shiny and new TODO app?

walljm• 9 years ago

Without seeing what you have, a general remark would be that everyone and his cousin has clocked at least some time developing at least one ToDo app. It's a right-of-passage thing for a lot of developers, just like a Weather app is the same for UX designer wannabies.

Its funny, because it true. :D

gregschlom2• 9 years ago

"rite of passage"

right of passage is probably more like the right of way :)

Shadow6363• 9 years ago

Would you be willing to share the alpha? I've been a long time fan of wunderlist and just put a ton of things into it for an upcoming move. Kind of bummed it's being shut down and would love to try yours out.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

Yes, of course. Here's the beta signup form, at the bottom of the page: http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/

NoGravitas• 9 years ago

I like your list of features. I currently use OpenTasks on Android, because it's the only thing that syncs (via DAVdroid) with Nextcloud. But while Nextcloud supports task hierarchies/subtasks, OpenTasks doesn't. Will it be possible to do DAV syncing with your app?

[For heavy-duty use and project planning, I use org-mode. But there's still no really satisfactory mobile org-mode story.]

mtgx• 9 years ago

First item on Microsoft's "To-Do" list:

- Shut down Wunderlist

Now let's hope they procrastinate just like everyone else.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

It's too late to edit my original comment, but I've set up a temporary website, where I explain this app in more detail, and show some (temporary and very messy) screenshots and designs:

http://tuskarr.tilda.ws/

richardboegli• 9 years ago

This does look interesting

frou_dh3• 9 years ago

Put a signup box for an email list on there, so that we can be reminded once it's closer to release

viach• 9 years ago

I wish you get lots of users in your app.

And somewhere in several years it'll grow big.

And Microsoft or Apple will buy it.

And someone will need to move faster to release his to-do, which is much better, of course.

CMay2• 9 years ago

I think the point of Wunderlist was the online synching across devices and the list sharing. It was that there was some trust built up with the brand. I wouldn't just start using some random todo app and allow it to sync my todo lists without having some level of trust built up.

Something else that was critical is that I could use Cortana to add tasks to lists while driving or without typing on the keyboard.

I think when I want to go deeper in organizing tasks, todo apps are often bad for that simply because a document format tends to do better once you're in the thick. It's better if those things are stored, tracked and organized with the work itself most of the time and todo apps tend to be outside that context.

ThisIsUnfair• 9 years ago

Does HN have a way of moderating astroturfing? I'm honestly curious. Im aware of the typical HN digressions but it appears lately, threads are just consistently hijacked encircled in twaddles and responses to channel traffic and discussion off to some app.

What are the checks and balances if any to keep the astroturfing binge to a minimum and encourage discussions instead of traffic channeling bait.

grzm2• 9 years ago

Yes, there is moderation. If you have concerns about astroturfing, you can contact the mods via the Contact link in the footer.

developer22• 9 years ago

Your barrier in gaining popularity once you launch is going to be cross-platform support. It sounds like you started wholly with Android, with other platforms coming further down the pipeline. These days a product that does not have apps for at least Windows, Android, iOS, and OS X severely limits its customer base.

Android essentially represents only a subset of phones and tablets. An app like yours is useless to many people unless it has desktop equivalents, as mobile-only access heavily restricts a user's ability to be productive where and when they need it. I might be an edge case, but I use Windows, OS X, an iPhone, and an Android tablet. Your app could be the most functional and usable todo app out there, but a competing product with 10% of your features is going to wind up being my choice simply because I get to use it across all my workflows. Platform support beats out the quality of the app, every time.

Based on your screenshots, the app is wonderful. I simply suspect you have focused too much on launching a 100% complete product instead of starting with an MVP. Obsessing over having a perfect product that launches too late to market, while your competition launches early and takes your cake, is all too common a scenario.

VladimirGolovin17• 9 years ago

Yes, we started on Android, because that's the most efficient way for me to dogfood the app. Another reason why we didn't start developing for more platforms in parallel is that the concept was unproven. I wasn't sure it would work.

(Under "the concept" I mostly mean the approach where all non-snoozed or dateless tasks are shown in Today, and you swipe away the tasks that are not yet "ripe" to be done -- whereas in traditional apps you do the reverse - you select tasks to do by starring them during a review).

Now that I found out that the concept clearly works well at least for one user (me), the next step would be to validate the concept on a wider group of users. An Android-only soft-launch, or even a closed beta should be enough for that.

And if the concept is valid, we'll definitely develop for other platforms, the ones you mentioned. iOS and Android clients will be native, and the desktop apps (Windows and macOS) will probably use some cross-platform technology.

And thank you for the kind words :)

egypturnash• 9 years ago

I'm wondering if you're including the Astrid feature I still miss and have never found a replacement for: assigning locations to tags, so that you can do things like have an alert come up with "stuff I gotta do at home" when you get home.

If you have this and an iOS version, then you have my money.

nojvek• 9 years ago

Hope your waterfall spec has caldev integration. I want a to do app that syncs with my iPhone todos and Google todos. I should be able to tell Siri to add something and mark it off later from my desktop. Or add couple of things with Siri, some auto populated from Gmail and notes.

Basically I don't give a shit about a walled garden to do app anymore no matter how good it is. I don't want a new app. I'd rather use something that puts my existing apps on steroids.

ernestrc• 9 years ago

#!/bin/sh\n

vim ~/todo.md

calsy• 9 years ago

Nice looking app, but screenshots are not much use. Do you have release anxiety? 2 years and nothings out but a landing page?

If you had released it earlier you might have been able to get some traction right about now when people are forced to leave wunderlist.

You want to move faster, then release the app. Customer feedback positive and negative will get you making changes quick smart and you'll get a good sense of initial demand. App development is a continuous process that requires constant input from users. No point in adding features no one asked for, you're just wasting your time.

As a wise man once said 'It's better to have released and failed than to never have released at all'.

camtarn2• 9 years ago

Argh. My partner and I use Wunderlist daily for shared shopping lists. This endless churn of apps shutting down is so frustrating :(

satysin2• 9 years ago

I use Google Keep for this. Works well enough. When Microsoft bought Wunderlist I moved away from it as I guessed it would be replaced by a lesser product (at least initially) and probably folded into Office 365.

camtarn2• 9 years ago

Good tip - cheers. The other alternative I was looking at was Remember The Milk.

I guess at least when it's a todo-list app that's shutting down, there are a lot of alternatives to move to!

dorian-graph2• 9 years ago

I mustn't be the only who thinks it's ironic to move to a Google product/service in hope of avoiding something disappearing. ;)

jazoom• 9 years ago

For Android, Bring! is great.

poorman• 9 years ago

You should check out: https://pantry.io

LVB• 9 years ago

My wife and I have used https://www.ourgroceries.com for years and love it. Cross platform mobile apps plus web, syncs perfectly, intuitive.

ForFreedom• 9 years ago

I hope To-Do, To-Does better than Wunderlist

marbletiles• 9 years ago

Oh, this is disappointing. Any app launched as a result of killing a long-running service now carries the added risk of "when are you going to kill this, too?".

Won't be touching this, have a lot of history in Wunderlist I'll now need to figure out how to move elsewhere.

mpweiher• 9 years ago

There's an importer...

jxi• 9 years ago

Fuck, I use Wunderlist and love it. Guess I'm moving away from anything Microsoft buys from now on.

skrebbel2• 9 years ago

Does anyone here understand the rationale of buying a To-do app company for $100 million and then killing it?

coldtea• 9 years ago

$100 million for them are like $1K for you. So it's not like they are particularly frugal (or need to be) with those.

For what they paid, they got a team that knew how to build a To-Do app, what the challenges are, and how to scale it.

So they bought not having to deal with a dev team that is building a to-do app for the first time.

They also got some existing users (which will migrate) for free, but I don't think they care for that.

skrebbel2• 9 years ago

Well $1K is a lot of money for me :-)

But ok, I see your point. Thanks!

tptacek• 9 years ago

Wunderlist is perhaps the only shared to-do list application that actually works. I don't know about 100MM, but it's an important application --- which is why there's a pretty substantial thread here about MSFT killing it off.

hliyan• 9 years ago

Oh dear, oh dear. I use Wunderlist on Mac, and very recently wrote to my entire team about how I tried so many Todo apps over the years and how Wunderlist is the only thing that worked out. Now what do I do?

gtf213• 9 years ago

Sparrow, Sunrise, Wunderlist... all the good apps just get bought and killed.

mtkd• 9 years ago

self hosting where possible from now on for me

Wunderlist was super useful - fast, all devices in sync, excellent browser version

starting to rethink using so many hosted services now - Zerigo is closing too in 10 days - that was another service a lot of time had been invested in setting up

it feels like the better a service is the more chance the team gets borged and the app shut down

karlkatzke2• 9 years ago

I get grumpy about cloud services coming and going, and I can imagine how much marketing data we're all providing to Microsoft by sharing our shopping list this way, but then I remember what a pain in the ass hosting my own email was for a decade and what that would be like in this era of massive botnets.

Then I put my cane away because as much as I wave it at clouds, I will still use cloud services over having to host my own.

charlesdm• 9 years ago

Can you blame the developers, though? These acquisitions are life changing. I mean, heck, if someone offered me crazy money for an app, yes please!

balladeer3• 9 years ago

I would say these acquisitions change lives of generations in a family.

gtf213• 9 years ago

No, you can't really blame them. One could make the argument that once providing a service to users you have some responsibility towards them, but I don't think it overrides the case for them to be acquired.

I can't help feeling that there is something rather dreadful about this state of affairs, however. It just seems like too many good things get acquired and shut down. That could be the fault of the market/culture/prevailing business models/app stores in not making it profitable enough for developers to want to keep going with their single app, and it could also be the fault of the acquires for shutting down good things.

I'm unsure as to the solution.

wolfgke• 9 years ago

Sparrow, Sunrise, Wunderlist... all the good apps just get bought and killed.

Consider it as a lesson only to use open source apps so that a group of convinced users can at least hire a programmer to fix bugs or add new features.

blahblah126• 9 years ago

It's not really killed. The original Sunrise, Accompli and Wunderlist teams still work at MSFT and they're working on their new apps respectively. Chad works on Wunderlist. Javier still runs outlook. They just absorbed a bunch of other apps too

rmccoy6435• 9 years ago

I presume that's the same Chad Fowler that wrote The Passionate Programmer?

Work has LinkedIn blocked, so I can't confirm easily.

kuroikyu• 9 years ago

It doesn't matter where the team is now, the Outlook Calendar is not Sunrise nor To-Do is Wunderlist. I get what you say but the apps are gone (or soon to be in this case) and for the people that used those apps that is killing them.

Applejinx2• 9 years ago

The question I ask is, were all those apps just created to be bought? In other words, were they 'startups' always aimed at some kind of buy-out or IPO or whatever? If so, I have to question that whole model (shock, horror).

After all, it's one thing to expect everything to get cannibalized into, well, Microsoft I guess, and consider that an ideal world.

It's quite another to get used to the idea that all good things exist to be consumed and obliterated. I really don't care if it furthers somebody's stock prices or is a correct competitive move, to me that seems like entropy in a very obvious way.

And I have a feeling that when AI does kick in, its value system must surely be founded on resisting entropy… so it'll look at this sort of thing with a very dim view.

balladeer3• 9 years ago

I don't think those apps were just started with a boyout, acquihire, or an IPO in mind. But to "succeed" and be able to get money out of them. Do better in life, have a better (maybe a lot better) lifestyle and be able to support it for considerable time. Maybe a desire to retire younger. So when a good offer comes around they go for it. Because you never know - another excellent XYZ todo app from some ABC MNC or startup might have killed it in future - just an example.

This is normal, why would you be shocked by it? Consider going for open source apps only that supports open standards. That is not full proof and not always convenient but it's a good way to avoid some of thse shocks and horrors.

intoverflow22• 9 years ago

all the good apps just get bought and killed

isn't this what the developers behind them are hoping for these days?

Antrikshy• 9 years ago

Also Mailbox.

gtf213• 9 years ago

Whoops, forgot Mailbox

porker• 9 years ago

Bugger. After 5 years of on-off trying todo lists, I'd finally got to like Wunderlist. Now I guess I'm back to Todoist, which I've never felt any affection for.

dgrabla2• 9 years ago

Taskwarrior on Desktop and Taskwarrior + Termux on Android is the most flexible, private, open and lightweight TODO manager I've ever used. No eye candy whatsoever, just pure power. I've been using the combo for a few years now, give it a look.

mdekkers2• 9 years ago

Termux on Android

OMG that is AWESOME

darklajid• 9 years ago

How do you sync between devices?

dgrabla2• 9 years ago

The desktop runs a cron job to sync every X minutes with a taskwarrior server on an amazon instance. The cellphone syncs manually, or you can automate a sync installing Taskwarrior for Android. The UI of this Taskwarrior for Android app is not very good for me, but it allows you to sync the taskdata files every X minutes if you want. You only need to make sure to point the app to the termux .task folder so both the Taskwarrior for Android and the Termux + Taskwarrior CLI use the same data files.

Kaivo• 9 years ago

I configured a SyncThing[1] between my devices with the taskwarrior file included in the synced folder and it's been working well, without having to setup a taskwarrior server.

[1] https://syncthing.net/

brunoqc2• 9 years ago

Also check https://github.com/coddingtonbear/inthe.am You can use their hosted version or host your own.

thuruv• 9 years ago

Help in getting it setup?

darkblackcorner• 9 years ago

Well that sucks. I was just getting used to using Wunderlist. I guess I'll have to give dead trees another try...

martin_a• 9 years ago

Seems like users need to have an (Office 365/Outlook) account with Microsoft to use To-Do. Big turndown, most of my colleagues are using Macs and have no need for Microsoft (no, not even Office), seems we need to switch (again).

mdekkers2• 9 years ago

what do you use instead of MSOffice?

karlkatzke2• 9 years ago

Google Apps, Keynote, OpenOffice. Combination thereof.

janaagaard• 9 years ago

You don't need Office accounts, a Microsoft account is enough. I'm pretty sure they are free. If you switch to another service, there is a change you will have to create users on that service anyways, no?

arikfr2• 9 years ago

If anyone is looking for an alternative that will probably be around for a long time, check out Todoist [1]: they are bootstrapped and profitable and been around for 10 years.

In terms of product - it's as simple to use as Wunderlist, but does have a few extra features. And they are cross platform like Wunderlist.

(I'm not affiliated with them. Just a happy user.)

[1] https://todoist.com

Etheryte• 9 years ago

The Todoist sign-up page now has a migration tool: "Coming from Wunderlist? Import your tasks." If that isn't timely reaction to a market need then I don't know what is.

w4tson• 9 years ago

Done. Cheers! Took 15 mins once I'd faffed about and organised things. Plus the Alexa integration works a charm!

TuringNYC2• 9 years ago

I was initially excited but this was a let-down: >>>

The owner of www.todoist.com has configured their website improperly. To protect your information from being stolen, Firefox has not connected to this website.

This site uses HTTP Strict Transport Security (HSTS) to specify that Firefox may only connect to it securely. As a result, it is not possible to add an exception for this certificate.

JoshTriplett• 9 years ago

Works here. Are you behind a broken proxy?

amix• 9 years ago

Thanks for the support arikfr! Being a long time HN user, I am happy to see Todoist recommended.

We are in this for the long haul. We don't even go into acquisitions talks (we already turned down a lot of them), and we don't have an exit strategy. If you are interested in learning more please read our `No Exit philosophy` https://tentimezones.com/why-we-don-t-have-an-exit-strategy-...

arikfr2• 9 years ago

As someone who is also building a company [1], I found this post (and the others on your blog around the topic) truly inspiring.

Actually it was a big part of why I decided to use Todoist and become a paid user. I was using it on and off for a long time (been a paid user in 2010!) but seeing how you run things, made me stay this time.

[1] https://redash.io

Applejinx2• 9 years ago

I like this. I run the boutique audio plugin company Airwindows http://www.airwindows.com and last year I ran into a little problem: my payment processor, Kagi, went out of business owing me hundreds of dollars.

Your reasons for the No Exit strategy resonate with my thinking when I flipped Airwindows over to a Patreon strategy, decimating my income (I'd grossed close to a quarter million dollars by this point) just so I could release all future plugins as free AU, Mac and PC VSTs. At that point, the tactics became flooding the market with VST versions of software that had been AU-only up to that point, and coming up with promises (such as an open-sourcing program under the MIT license, and I've also debated using the GPL) to motivate people to join the Patreon.

If you starve and die, you can't do any work. If you're incredibly poor, you can only work on that which you can afford. (no modeling of Neve consoles here, not properly!) If you have incredible access to capital, sky's the limit, but it seems compulsory to screw over your users because capital demands to be returned tenfold, and this puts HUGE pressure on any dev or creator to turn full-on evil.

I don't know the answer and I'm not doing that awesomely, but that's not so different from how things were going before: that market is shriveling, in part because people simply can't pay money for things any more. There are major players which are, I think, staving off total collapse by setting up the most heinous DRM treadmills imaginable and trying to latch on to all the credit cards they can, all while trying to race to the bottom and starve everybody else.

I can't target capital as a goal anymore. I'll beg if I have to, I'll accept ugly and scary poverty, but I can't be part of the system geared to leave all the users with nothing. It's open source and tool-distribution for me. The whole concept of being rewarded with wealth for valuable work has become a charade when it gets crowded out by 'rewarded with lots more wealth by helping Microsoft screw everyone over'. The link's broken. And this is a rather big deal in a world where that link's axiomatic.

izacus• 9 years ago

Nice to see that - I love Todoist, especially due to its wide platform support (having quality apps for macOS, Android and Android Wear is pretty awesome!).

TorKlingberg2• 9 years ago

I know they are doing what HN commenters tell everyone to do and charge more, but I am just not comfortable paying £22/year for a todo list (£28 through Apple). I'm not really a todo list enthusiast, so I don't want 90% of the features features, just basic stuff like "show all tasks except those scheduled far in the future".

lighttower• 9 years ago

I wish they had a family plan.

adamjc• 9 years ago

I can second this, I've been a paying customer of Todoist for 2 years now, really really enjoy it. The 'natural language' style of setting dates is a nice touch.

thirdsun• 9 years ago

Great and very complete alternative indeed. While I personally prefer Things, particularly now since version 3 is finally almost here, I was very tempted to migrate to Todoist on more than one occassion when Things / Cultured Code went rather silent in the past.

frou_dh3• 9 years ago

The "feel" of Things.app on the Mac is just wonderful. The difference in feel between a highly polished Cocoa app and all these others that incorporate varying degrees of web technology mishmash is night and day in my book.

Cultured-Code's development schedule is indeed certifiably GLACIAL though. On the Things 3 (re)(re?)announcement front, I'm really surprised that they aren't switching to subscription pricing.

chimeracoder• 9 years ago

Seconding Todoist. I've tried every to-do app/service around, and they're the best I've found.

It's not perfect - there are a few parts of the app that annoy me and can't be configured the way I need[0], but of all the ones I've tried, it's the closest to what I need.

[0] If anyone from Todoist sees this, I'd be happy to go into more detail about what those are.

sjm• 9 years ago

I work at Doist — would love to get some feedback from you. My email is simon -emailcharacterthing- doist.com.

skolos• 9 years ago

And they are blocked on our corporate network (unlike Wunderlist).

jongunter1• 9 years ago

I've used Todoist, but I've found Remember The Milk a little more suited towards my own needs. I'v been using it for 8 years now (I think), so hopefully it should be around for a while.

daniel_iversen• 9 years ago

I'd second Todoist. Its simply amazing! So easy and delightful a UI and yet it has a lot of really cool features (emailing tasks, nice to set up in a GTD environment etc.)

msq• 9 years ago

Pity that backup is only available for premium users, so it is a vendor locking service :/

darekkay2• 9 years ago

Feel free to use my (open source) Todoist backup tool[0], which doesn't require a premium account and which is even more powerful than the built-in premium option. You can both export more data and use a format which is more suitable for data processing. Read my blog post[1] for more information.

[0] https://darekkay.com/todoist-export/

[1] https://darekkay.com/2014/12/14/todoist-export-tool/

anthonybsd• 9 years ago

Hmm, I guess it's time to switch. Does To-Doist allow sorting tasks by due dates?

darekkay2• 9 years ago

I've been a paying customer for over 2 years now, after trying many other apps, and I'm not moving anytime soon. However, one thing that bothers me was first killing a voting platform and then the discussion forum on Todoist. You can still contact the support, but there is no way to publicly vote for or discuss any feature requests.

Also, a shameless plug: I've built a Todoist backup tool[0], which can be used even as a non-premium user and which supports more processing friendly formats[1].

[0] https://darekkay.com/todoist-export/

[1] https://darekkay.com/2014/12/14/todoist-export-tool/

damandloi• 9 years ago

On the sidenote: The new app from Microsoft does not follow its design methodology if bright colors and big icons but seems to go for skeuomorphism.

_pmf_2• 9 years ago

What would the design people at Microsoft or Apple do all day once they have defined a guideline? The only thing that guarantees them jobs is changing the goalposts constantly.

bostand• 9 years ago

Add Google to that list.

They break so many of their own rules i sometimes wonder if that was what made Duarte leave

weiluen• 9 years ago

a lot of the acquired teams sort of chart their own destiny. esp, as they get larger and large portfolios.

eptcyka• 9 years ago

Is Microsoft trying to learn React?

welanes• 9 years ago

For those looking for a good alternative to Wunderlist, you've got Lanes - https://lanes.io.

ilamont• 9 years ago

According to Microsoft’s announcement, To-Do starts you off in a screen called “My Day” which offers a list of items that need to get done today.

While Wunderlist allows you to see the "Today" view first it's not forced ... it's flexible enough to let people manage their To-do lists in a number of different ways. I have a bunch of general To-do lists in Wunderlist including open-ended ones and ones that I duplicate every week (marking the old version as done) and slowly modify. The "My Day" default does not work for me.

The other thing that was great about Wunderlist is the developers really paid attention to Mac and iOS users. I found that the Mac version was better than Windows in a few areas - specifically the ability to expand a note to a bigger view and a lack of buggy behavior when modifying a note (confirmed in Windows 10 but not fixed by Wunderlist, now we know why). In the new setup, Mac/iOS/Android will clearly take a back seat to Windows:

As many users realized, some platforms do not yet support To-Do, including Mac, iPad and Android tablet. List sharing is also not available. But Microsoft says these will roll out in time along with other integrations with Microsoft services.

Too bad. Wunderlist was a great service, the only To-Do app I ever liked.

rickyc091• 9 years ago

Yep. I just noticed that Microsoft killed the Mac app.

jamesisaac• 9 years ago

Maybe what some people are looking for in a replacement, this is something I put together:

https://nachapp.com

It isn't multi-user, but does introduce features around tying tasks to larger goals, progress tracking etc. It's also currently just a web app, but at the moment I'm working on native iOS/Android apps.

blahblah126• 9 years ago

It's not really killed. The original Sunrise, Accompli and Wunderlist teams still work at MSFT and they're working on their new apps respectively (Javier runs all of Outlook now). And Chad Fowler (former CTO of Wunderlist), and company are behind the pivot to To-Do. It's the exact same application. I've been beta testing it and it just has few additional features that will show up over time. It's really just a rebrand and a skin and a new backend they're trying to rapidly improve.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/fowlerchad/ - CTO Wunderlist https://www.linkedin.com/in/jsoltero/ - Accompli founder https://www.linkedin.com/in/christianreber/ - Wunderlist Founder https://www.linkedin.com/in/pierrevalade/ - founder Sunrise https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeremylv/ - founder Sunrise/Design

They all got promoted really quickly and have large portfolios (including their original apps and teams) , but now with a mandate to fix the other similar core applications, too. If anything, this crop of teams and ppl now run huge portions of Office -- not the other way around. And they're the ones deciding strategic vision.

These acquisitions were also acquihires. The CEOs/CTOs have high leadership positions now (they went from Partner GEMs -> CTO/CVPs in about a year or so) and are trying to make all of Office better.

I think every time a MSFT article comes up, ppl get in an uproar. Give the company a chance and check your bias at the door.

uncletaco• 9 years ago

“This, milord, is my family's axe. We have owned it for almost nine hundred years, see. Of course, sometimes it needed a new blade. And sometimes it has required a new handle, new designs on the metalwork, a little refreshing of the ornamentation . . . but is this not the nine hundred-year-old axe of my family? And because it has changed gently over time, it is still a pretty good axe, y'know. Pretty good.”

That's what I thought of when you said it's just a rebrand and a skin with a new back end. I mean lets call it what it is, a new app by the wunderlist team that's more oriented towards integration with Microsoft's existing suite of products. So yeah, Wunderlist is dead. Long live its spiritual successor.

_pmf_2• 9 years ago

If anything, this crop of teams and ppl now run huge portions of Office

Thanks; I got a good laugh out of this one!

blahblah126• 9 years ago

Working at the company, and in this division. I'm pretty sure I'm right about this. You should probably look at the titles of these people now. As in, directly reporting to Rajesh, and Satya. Fowler owns OneNote in addition to Wunderlist and all Education initatives. They're essentially at the highest levels of leadership in Office at the company. Try clicking on a linkedIn profile.

r3bl• 9 years ago

How can I give them a chance when they kill the crucial functionality of the app that I liked?

For example, I was a heavy Sunrise user. It worked wonderfully on syncing all of my calendars and showing them all to me in one nice feed with a slick interface. I didn't have to sync my various calendars to one central service and feed all of my calendars to one company. It synced them all to my smartphone, which was a feature I was looking for. Giving all my calendars over to Microsoft... no, thank you.

alanbyrne• 9 years ago

As someone who works closely with these teams within Microsoft, I can say that these team members are having a huge, positive impact on the Office division.

who_is_firing• 9 years ago

can you elaborate more?

ska• 9 years ago

I'm not convinced this is MSFT specific, and I do appreciate your optimism about the team (your team?) and what it is doing.

Taken as a whole, these sort of acquisitions/acquihires have not tended to go well for the users of the smaller teams original products. One can argue that their is or is not a net win, of course - but if you are a user of a service like this and really like it, chances are pretty good you aren't going to like what company X does with it after acquisition. Given that, it's pretty unremarkable to hear people say "so much for service X, now A has bought them". On the whole, they are mostly right. Sometimes you get an nice service Y out of it though! Often not a great replacement for the original, but nice nonetheless.

downrightmike• 9 years ago

"It's really just a rebrand and a skin and a new backend they're trying to rapidly improve." Didn't they do the same thing with Skype?

warholio2• 9 years ago

One of the few major features I'm looking for in a to-do app is the ability to use natural language to set a due date/timer and then get a notification synched across my mac and iPhone. For example: "task xyz in 15 mins".

Does anyone know an app that can do this? Todoist is very close -- you can write "task xyz in 2 hours" but for some reason cannot use "minutes".

rickdg• 9 years ago

Slack reminders

warholio2• 9 years ago

Very cool, thank you, I'll check it out.

djrogers• 9 years ago

I started using Reminders and Siri for this about 3 years ago and it's been wonderful. I don't need a lot of fancy features like GTD, sub tasks, etc, but I do use a lot of shared lists with the wife (shopping, planning, honey-do, and packing being the 4 primary ones).

The combo has been even better since I got my apple watch - you'd be amazed how quietly you can whisper 'hey Siri, remind me to blah in 20 minutes' to your watch...

mobitar• 9 years ago

This is why Standard Notes was built. To focus on longevity. Not exactly a todo app, but supports Markdown extensions that allow lists.

https://standardnotes.org

cygned• 9 years ago

I wonder if To-Do will be of the same quality as all the other services you get with Office 365 (they are awful).

Looking at their other products, I don't think Microsoft is able to create something as easy to use, reliable and good looking as Wunderlist.

0xADADA2• 9 years ago

“I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced. I fear something terrible has happened.”

Wunderlist refugees flee the Empire of Microsoft for refuge at sites like https://todoist.com/

kilroy123• 9 years ago

Yeah, looks like I'll have no choice. I've been an avid wunderlist user for a few years now. I never did get into todoist, not like I did with wunderlist.

What a disappointment. I didn't even know they had been bought by MSFT.

joe563323• 9 years ago

Never heard of Wunderlist and sure will not remember To-Do for long.

devdebug• 9 years ago

I just activated my 1 year subscription I got with humblebundle. I really liked Wunderlist. I hope the new app is improved version of Wunderlist.

Importing all tasks in Todoist was quick but To-Do is trying to import for last hour and looks like it is going to fail.

hysan• 9 years ago

I don't mind switching so long as they achieve feature parity. I love Wunderlist as it's the only todo app that has stuck for me. The one big thing that I've noticed missing is the lack of native desktop apps. For something like a todo app, I much prefer standalone apps over a web app. I hope they release one before shutting Wunderlist.

0xADADA2• 9 years ago

My favorite part of Wunderlist was the wood background option, makes a beautiful desktop wallpaper

I'm really glad i exported it out:

http://imgur.com/Hjajl

jgaa• 9 years ago

Something makes me think about Nokia, and the lessons Microsoft never seems to learn.

wowtip• 9 years ago

ZDNet clarified with Microsoft that the app is not just for Office 365 users, as the original blog post about the launch seemed to imply. Instead, anyone with a Microsoft account can use To-Do, even if they don’t have an Office 365 plan, the company confirmed

Wonderful. More things that can be lost with a single password.

criddell2• 9 years ago

Oh FFS. I just started using Wunderlist this week.

All I want is a todo list where I can assign tags. So maybe I would do something like:

    * buy softener salt #shopping #home
    * fix garage door weatherstripping #home

I can have saved searches for #shopping and #home. That way I don't need folders, I don't need projects. Tags can do it all.

frou_dh3• 9 years ago

Use http://todotxt.com -- It's just a plaintext file format. There are a bunch of optional GUI wrappers that are aware of conventions and/or help with grep-ing.

kossae• 9 years ago

I've been a Wunderlist user for a while, now shopping around for a viable alternative. It's truly amazing how few options there are that match Wunderlist's feature set. It's also truly amazing how "basic" the features I'm looking for should are this day and age, yet there are very few solutions. I don't want a taskwarrior-esque system, although it would meet most/all of my needs, as I share lists with family memebers who are not tech-savvy in the least bit. Of course, this screams side project.

criddell2• 9 years ago

Wunderlist does far more than I needed it to do. Somebody else recommended todotxt and that might be what I switch to. It seems mature and solidly in maintenance mode. I like that a lot.

smichel17• 9 years ago

Simpletask Cloudless might be what you're looking for. It uses todo.txt, which you can sync via Nextcloud (or whatever other provider), and has in my opinion the best functionality of any android todo app.

The downside is that its onboarding UX isn't great, and overall it's not as polished as some other todo apps.

I've done some work on it in the past and would like to find time to do more in the future.

https://github.com/mpcjanssen/simpletask-android

ziikutv2• 9 years ago

Is it just me or all apps now seem to either use..

* Material design

* Apple-like design

* Dropbox-like design

Even when I goto Dribble, its the same thing, different colors.

And the worse thign is, even when I am designing something. I conform to that norm!

amyjess• 9 years ago

IMO, when you're designing for a platform, it's distasteful to use anything other than that platform's UX.

Ideally, all Android apps should use Material Design, and all iOS apps should look like they were made by Apple (does Apple have a name for their design?).

ziikutv2• 9 years ago

That makes sense but I was talking about general branding and even what the website looks like on desktop.

It's one thing about keeping a consistent UX vs following what, due to its nature, becomes a "standard" UI

penpapersw• 9 years ago

There's plenty of full-featured Todo list apps, but what's really missing is a quick & easy todo app that's got just the right amount of features.

Using Reminders and Notes for this feels clunky and awkward, and using a more full-featured todo app makes it hard to just get right to making a quick & dirty list.

Plus usually todo apps have weird design choices. Like, having a checkbox ticked for completed items brings more attention to them than to the remaining items, even though it's the remaining items that are most important to the user. Strange and unhelpful UI/UX choice, and it's so standard that even MS's new To-Do app does this!

So we decided to make an app that fills that niche, Accomplish[1]. We've barely started marketing it yet, but I have high hopes for this app because it feels like a very much untapped and overlooked market.

[1] http://penandpapersoftware.com/accomplish/

rvanmil• 9 years ago

I wonder, does buying users actually work? Doesn't this backfire more often than not?

I've been a happy Wunderlist Pro customer, but there is no way I'll be switching to this new To-Do application just because Microsoft decided to replace one with the other.

It's kind of funny and sad at the same time from my perspective. Microsoft actually paid someone so in turn they could make me angry and as a result lose me as a paying customer.

balladeer3• 9 years ago

So after seeing a comment on this post I googled and found out Taskwarrior[0] could be a good replacement for Wunderlist (as I am looking for one since yesterday).

Full of enthusiasm I SSHed into my VPS (Ubuntu 15.04 - haven't upgraded yet) and ran sudo apt-get install task and bingo! It was there. I could add tasks and list them in the remote shell, modify them.

Then I went to https://freecinc.com and followed their awesome 1 minute guide and finished the steps except the last one task sync init which would have made the syncing, to other clients, possible. This is when I got Taskwarrior was built without GnuTLS support. Sync is not available. Landed on https://taskwarrior.org/docs/taskserver/troubleshooting-sync... and I could figure out I had to install it from source (though it was the minimum recommended version) and then also install many dependencies for the sync feature to work from source.

I am ashamed to state that after some more tinkering I still couldn't make it work and I gave up. This is one reason self hosted services are not picking up. I know it's just an excuse for lazy and non-adventrous fellows like me (a developer at that) but I tried and I failed. Sigh

Just in case others find the app interesteing: check out https://taskwarrior.org/tools/ and you can always use Dropbox anyway (which may not always work as one may expect it to).

edit: as of now I am trying https://inthe.am/getting-started

[0] https://taskwarrior.org

AJRF• 9 years ago

I've used ToDo on web and iOS and it has horrific problems syncing data. Inexcusable really.

AngeloAnolin• 9 years ago

Lots of To-Do apps paraded here.

I'd plug this in. Very well made [0].

[0] https://teuxdeux.com/

theseanstewart• 9 years ago

I don't understand why they would announce To-Do without a sharing feature. It's something that all basic todo apps can handle.

minton• 9 years ago

We need a list of founders who have sold out to large companies that have eventually closed the product down. This would be worth consulting to see who's behind a new app before trying it.

RobSim• 9 years ago

I'll throw my 2 cents in here for 2Do, which is basically a power user todo app with multiple sync options including iCloud, Dropbox, etc. Give it a shot!

dnr• 9 years ago

I've tried a variety of todo apps over the years, but could never really get into any of them. They all seem overly complicated and heavyweight. Recently I discovered what I really need are simple lists and hierarchy. That is, Dynalist or Workflowy.

https://dynalist.io/

https://workflowy.com/

Workflowy came first, Dynalist is very similar, but is more actively developed and probably has more features at the moment, so I'd recommend that one.

I keep a "short term todo" list as the top item in my "personal" list, and longer-term todos grouped by category below that. The wonderful part is that I can add sub-tasks, or just notes, or groupings, with the same mechanism. All the information is right there and I don't have to think too hard about it. And I can use the same app for notes and other types of lists.

Both support things like tags and due dates, but aren't in your face about them. Personally I hardly ever use those features, though it's nice to know they're there in case I suddenly become more organized. Sharing too.

Obviously, this may not work for everyone, but for engineer types who love recursive structure, the simple hierarchical list model is pretty awesome.

(Not affiliated with either product, just a happy user.)

hexsprite• 9 years ago

I think the beauty of Wunderlist came from it's simplicity.

On another note, I think that for most busy people mere to-do lists are passé. It's too easy for things to fall through the cracks, to create overwhelming lists where nothing is prioritized.

What you need is an auto-scheduling planner that turns your to-do list into a schedule in your calendar. And then if you don't finish things, they move forward in priority order until you get it done. Gives you smart reminders only when you have free time.

If that sounds interesting to you check out Focuster http://focuster.com

We're bootstrapped and having a great time listening to customers and building a product whose time has come.

taksintikk• 9 years ago

Wish Evernote added a to-do feature.

Hate jumping to multiple apps for such a basic need.

edditoria• 9 years ago

So sad and need to find/create an alternative.

For me, Wunderlist is well done in offline access, super fast sync and a battery-friendly Mac app. I sometimes work in some place that does not allow internet connection, e.g. warehouse where phone signal is screwed, or some meeting rooms just block the signal due to their privacy.

In many years I still cannot find an alternative. May be Evernote(?)

johnchristopher• 9 years ago

I tried it for a few minutes and it seems the UI to change themes is broken.

Oh, well. I'll keep using Google 's reminders.

Microsoft to shut down Wunderlist in favor of its new app, To-Do

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