Apple – Live – September 2014 Special Event

http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/

by Geee • 12 years ago

237 358 12 years ago

Honestly very excited about this... very excited.

antr3• 12 years ago

Call me dull, but I'm looking forward for a new iMac 27". Apple recently renewed the 21" version, but I'm just waiting for a new 27" to come out.

bruceboughton• 12 years ago

You're at the wrong event then.

antr3• 12 years ago

I still have hope :)

autism_hurts4• 12 years ago

Soon, but not this event!

joezydeco• 12 years ago

I'm secretly hoping for some extra-wacky 30th anniversary Macintosh, kind of like what Jony Ive created for the 20th.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twentieth_Anniversary_Macintosh

It's a little sad that the Mac hit 30 this year and all it got was a special web page to commemorate the event.

WildUtah4• 12 years ago

The new iMac 27" should have a nice 5120x2880 screen. That would sure justify the hype.

But I bet we'll just get a 4.7" iPhone, Apple catching up to where Samsung has been for three long years now with a medium sized phone instead of a tiny chiclet. (I love the chiclet, but bigger would be better.)

And we'll probably get another lousy "smart" watch that needs charging every day and doesn't do anything you can't do by pulling out your phone for a second. Maybe fanatic runners like Apple's CEO will find it almost as useful as a fuelband or fitbit.

Note: Downvoters really hate the idea of a retina iMac.

MCRed8• 12 years ago

Do you think Apple's been desperately saying to itself for the past 3 years "gee, I wish we had the technology to make a larger phone!"

rebel• 12 years ago

This presentation looks like it's going to be on another level.. even for Apple standards.

readerrrr3• 12 years ago

How can I watch this on windows if I don't have Quicktime installed?

aroch5• 12 years ago

Use VLC, give it the livestream URI (inspect element on the QT inset).

pseudometa• 12 years ago

Use any iOS device if you have one. Or use one of the streams on Twitch... http://www.twitch.tv/search?query=apple+event#stq=apple event&stp=1

sarciszewski• 12 years ago

Use any iOS device if you have one.

Sorry, I'm not rich. :P

Geee2• 12 years ago

I'm not sure, but you can try these (should work on Android): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming#Supported_p...

Here's a test stream http://devimages.apple.com/iphone/samples/bipbopgear1.html

el_duderino2• 12 years ago

..And all the twitch streams have been shut down.

el_duderino2• 12 years ago

Even better, use VLC: http://9to5mac.com/community/how-to-stream-apples-sept-9-iph...

pduan• 12 years ago

Dead

EDIT: Nvm it worked after waiting for a couple minutes.

nabla9• 12 years ago

I watch it here: https://www.google.com/finance?cid=22144

readerrrr3• 12 years ago

Genuinely funny. I wish the refresh rate was higher.

aroch5• 12 years ago

Apple.com/ has been redirecting to apple.com/live for about ~20 hours now. They're very confident about what's about to be presented.

drewnick• 12 years ago

They've been using a '301 MOVED PERMANENTLY' redirect, meaning they are extra serious about this.

songgao• 12 years ago

Correct me if I'm wrong. IIRC, there isn't a status code for temporary moved *with a timeout. If you use 307, it means the browser will always still check the original apple.com first, then get redirected to apple.com/live. Using 301 would make browser go to apple.com/live directly which improves response time. When the event is finished, they can do a 301 on apple.com/live back to apple.com to overwrite the rule.

aroch5• 12 years ago

Or lazy about their redirecting. 301's are supported by pretty much every browser, indexer and wget/curl whereas 302's sometimes fail on those. Its also pretty easy to reissue another 301 from /live to com/

christoph• 12 years ago

I wonder how much outside the realms of possibility a VR headset could be...? They have patents and seem to have become more serious about 3D graphics lately. Maybe I'm just dreaming though. Maybe a wearable could be something to allow an iPhone/iPod type device to function as headset?

grecy2• 12 years ago

I'm thinking something alone those lines... for TV.

I still expect Apple to do something very, very big with TV.

arrrg2• 12 years ago

You know what I wonder?

An alternative explanation to a very confident Apple is just that they changed their attitude about all this, thinking there is not really much of a difference between them providing a countdown or others doing it (before the last Keynote this countdown webpage got pretty huge), between them providing a liveblog or others doing it (there are always many liveblogs with often crappy photos, so why not shot beautiful photos and provide them directly?), unaware that would hype up the event.

I don’t think it’s that, but if they are sufficiently tone-deaf that could be the case. Apple historically hasn’t really been, definitely not when it comes to their events, but who knows …

k-mcgrady4• 12 years ago

I don't think the big deal is them providing live coverage, it's that their homepage is redirecting to the stream 24 hours before hand. Considering how many hits apple.com gets per day that's a big decision indicating a huge event.

insertion• 12 years ago

Why a countdown? Probably because they're launching a watch. Wait and see. My guess is they hint at the why during the event, probably in the opening minute or so. They will also probably use time-based headlines in the slides.

soup10• 12 years ago

Probably iPhone 6

moeedm2• 12 years ago

Wow, they're going all out for this one. Lots of new things they haven't done in past keynotes. Can't wait to see what they show off.

autism_hurts4• 12 years ago

Gruber has a spot on wrap-up: http://daringfireball.net/2014/09/prelude

brk• 12 years ago

How can it be a wrap-up, or judged to be spot-on in advance of any actual confirmed facts?

I'll admit he's probably mostly prescient, but we won't know for another hour or two.

post_break• 12 years ago

Can you taste the distain in his words? Grumlbing like an old man saying "GET OFF MY LAWN" It's kind of odd, even for him.

htaunay• 12 years ago

[Off-Topic]: The 12:44 pic might as well be a Starbucks ad (8:44 PDT)

droopyEyelids• 12 years ago

Any chance we can keep all Apple discussion on HN contained in this thread?

3rd3• 12 years ago

Unlikely. There will probably be 300+ comments on the iWatch alone.

billharrison• 12 years ago

Sadly, no.

canadaj2• 12 years ago

Probably not. People are going to post the links to Apple's announcements which makes sense. I don't want to read the discussion of the iWatch along with everything else in one thread.

WildUtah4• 12 years ago

Half the stories on the front page will be Apple stories within the next two hours.

The ranking algorithm will drop them off soon enough. Maybe the time coefficient should be stronger for days like today, though.

k-mcgrady4• 12 years ago

> "Maybe the time coefficient should be stronger for days like today, though."

I disagree. The reason the front page becomes full of Apple is because Apple launches all their stuff at once. There are only maybe 2 or 3 times a year that Apple releases new stuff. The discussions of these things are important. They shouldn't be penalised for happening at the same time.

wiredfool• 12 years ago

Wall Street is going to be disappointed if there's no Singularity.

AlexeyBrin2• 12 years ago

Can't wait to see the new iPhone 6, time to change my old iPhone 4 :)

Aardwolf2• 12 years ago

This website says that live streaming requires OS X or iOS.

Why would they only allow already-customers to watch their presentation?

Locking out non-customers seems not the best way to get some.

jonursenbach• 12 years ago

This is nothing new. Their streamed events have always been locked down to Safari on OS X and iOS.

AlexeyBrin2• 12 years ago

Check the comments, someone already solved this:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8290769

Aardwolf2• 12 years ago

Well, still, for a company that tries to make everything "simple and beautiful", why don't their video streams just work everywhere out of the box? That is the question.

efa2• 12 years ago

The community has closed this channel due to terms of service violations

bla22• 12 years ago

They probably use https://developer.apple.com/streaming/ , an HTTP streaming mechanism that's implemented by Safari that didn't get adopted by any other browser.

MCRed8• 12 years ago

Ever since Apple originated consumer computer video with Quicktime back in the early 1990s, they've done a great deal to make it better, first for CD Roms and in a proprietary fashion. But when the net came around they opened up their proprietary format to become a standard-- the Mpeg4 file format is the old MOV format. They've also proposed a lot of improvements along these lines for other people to adopt.

Like Bonjour, I really don't understand why other companies don't adopt these open standards. They don't benefit Apple particularly. It's not like Apple has some competitive advantage in HTTP Live Streaming. Meanwhile these competitors rush to copy everything else Apple does.

Frankly, I think its appalling that youtube, for instance, is still running on flash. How many years ago did they first trial MP4 streaming? Why I can't I access all the videos over MP4?

Why would you want your browser to be bad at streaming video?

cheald• 12 years ago

You can watch in non-Safari browsers if you change the user agent.

arrrg2• 12 years ago

Because it ultimately doesn’t matter. Those who really want to watch it already have some device that can play it and the rest doesn’t care about it anyway so much to watch a 2hr commercial and will just read about it somewhere or see it on TV later. I think it’s as simple as that. That’s why Apple doesn’t really try to make this work for as many people as possible.

efa2• 12 years ago

Yep, I noticed that the other day on their developers site. Couldn't watch a video on Swift because I'm not on OSX Safari! Something Microsoft would do 15 years ago.

lordbusiness2• 12 years ago

Can anyone recall if iOS goes GM / public release on the day of this? Or do we have to wait a week?

mathieuh• 12 years ago

iOS major versions are usually released soon after the actual phone is released, so still another week or two to wait.

lordbusiness2• 12 years ago

That rings a bell - thank you. :-)

WildUtah4• 12 years ago

Historically, the new iPhone becomes available on Friday a week and a half after the event and the new iOS is released for older phones at the same time.

k-mcgrady4• 12 years ago

It always goes GM immediately but only dev program members can get it. I think for the public the update has varied between phone launch day and a few days after the event.

stasy2• 12 years ago

The timer doesn't display for me. Is this happening with anyone else?

derengel2• 12 years ago

Who wants to see the mac mini revived? ;)

jerhinesmith3• 12 years ago

Me! I've been wanting to replace my Windows desktop machine for a year now, but I've been waiting for a refresh on the mac mini.

dublinben2• 12 years ago

Why not get one of the many other mITX computers, or even an Intel NUC?

MCRed8• 12 years ago

Apple has a pattern before keynotes where they push out the less glamorous products. They keep them ready to go in the keynote in case something happens with a glamorous announcement they have filler. But when they are confident that they can announce the next iPhone, or whatever, they push out the minor rev of the iMac or whatever.

I'm worried. This is the machine I want to buy next. A modern mac mini would be ideal.

They should have shipped one early this year but didn't. That's ok, the mac pro took a lot of resources and is a major redesign.

So, then the next expected time is last week.

So, either the Mac Mini is significant enough to talk about today (with two phones and an alleged watch? that seems doubtful)... or it might be effectively cancelled.

rsynnott• 12 years ago

Or they decided to skip Haswell, and are now waiting on Broadwell, which is substantially delayed. I'd say a Mini early next year might be a good bet.

leklund• 12 years ago

Seconded! I've been wanting to replace an older iMac with a mini for a some time now. The mini is in dire need of a refresh given that it's been since 2012 that the guts were updated and 2010 since the design was updated.

hobarrera3• 12 years ago

"Our live broadcast begins at 10 a.m. PDT."

Considering that the entire world uses GMT, and that only US citizens use PDT, they could have bothered to use GMT.

Or better still, they could have detected your location/system time and just put a countdown or your own local time.

xienze2• 12 years ago

Or you could just Google the time in your timezone yourself.

Smirnoff• 12 years ago

Uhmm, did you not notice that HUGE countdown timer? That pretty much covers entire world.

And, no, whole world doesn't use GMT (talk to Indians and Chinese about what time they use). Also, entire US doesn't use PDT time. You know, some people live on east coast.

discardorama4• 12 years ago

Indians, in particular, make it even more interesting with the extra half-hour offset. :-D

hobarrera3• 12 years ago

Uhmm, did you not notice that HUGE countdown timer? That pretty much covers entire world.

It want's there when I visited. :-(

And, no, whole world doesn't use GMT (talk to Indians and Chinese about what time they use). Also, entire US doesn't use PDT time. You know, some people live on east coast.

But they must most certainly know their GMT offset, since it's the worldwide reference.

k-mcgrady4• 12 years ago

The screen is filled with a huge countdown. You can't add the countdown to your current time and get the answer? If someone is holding an event I would expect them to announce the start in local time - the people that need to know the time the most are the ones that are going to be there, why make it more difficult for them?

hobarrera3• 12 years ago

The timer was not there when I posted this (my complaint was, in part, that there wasn't one).

RexRollman• 12 years ago

I'm getting older, so maybe my desires don't match up with the majority of tech people's anymore, but does anyone really want an iWatch (or whatever it ends up being called)? I am just not sold on the usefulness of such a thing.

epmatsw• 12 years ago

I too am skeptical, but I also felt the same way before the iPad announcement. So I will wait and see.

xienze2• 12 years ago

It's not just you. I don't get the whole smartwatch thing either. For $400 (or whatever it ends up costing), I can just pull my phone out of my pocket.

seanflyon2• 12 years ago

They have announced a price of $349

MCRed8• 12 years ago

I didn't see the point of the iPhone or the iPad before they announced them. I haven't worn a watch for 20 years... but if they do announce a watch (I expect it will be a wearable more than a watch) I bet I will buy it.

Because I don't think they'd make it if it weren't worth making. Apple has never tried to create a new category when they didn't have something substantial to offer.

maaku• 12 years ago

My goodness you have a short memory.

http://www.businessinsider.com/10-old-apple-products-that-to...

gutnor• 12 years ago

People do not want a watch like the current crop of i-watches. They hope that Apple will create a watch the masses want to buy.

That's what the excitement is all about, either pro-Apple people that want to see Apple creating another iPhone/iPad/iPod market, or anti-apple that want another Apple TV to finally prove that Apple could not recover from Steve Jobs death.

Best of all, unlike monads, this is a topic everybody can have an opinion about, that's weeks worth of traffic guaranteed. Apple announcement themselves are valuable product for the media.

tchock23• 12 years ago

Many moons ago I ran a research study for Microsoft on their SPOT watch initiative, and despite countless focus groups among many different consumer audiences, absolutely no one wanted a smart watch. Granted, their smart watch had some fairly large deficiencies due to the lack of mobile tech infrastructure available at the time.

I'm very intrigued to see if Apple can pull it off...

danielweber2• 12 years ago

That's the weird thing about fashion, which is precisely what this is. If Apple can make this thing fashionable so that people want to show it off, it will take off.

It's incredibly hard to predict whether they will succeed or not (although after the fact most people will say what happened was incredibly obvious beforehand). They'll bomb or they'll take off.

Geee2• 12 years ago

I think there's going to be some sort of breakthrough using it as an authentication device. Possibly using heart rate as biometric identification combined with a clever universal challenge-response mechanism (using audio, maybe). That's my prediction. :)

Killswitch4• 12 years ago

I am currently wearing an iPod Nano on my wrist using a wrist band that was designed for the nano. Yes I want an actual iWatch.

digikata• 12 years ago

I'd love for it to be able to be an input device for macbook & imac. Something like the Leap Motion but worn on the wrist and auto linking with the nearest device.

base698• 12 years ago

I didn't get the point of a watch either, then I started surfing and needed to know when to stop to make it to work on time :)

There is a whole market of people that want apps for running, surfing, and other things that are nice to have in wearable form, but cumbersome to use in a phone form factor--assuming the phone is even waterproof.

andypants• 12 years ago

What about a regular watch? They are usually waterproof.

laichzeit0• 12 years ago

Yeah, if it can measure blood pressure, I want it.

lukifer4• 12 years ago

I've worn an iPod nano watch for a couple years now. It's like min-maxing in an RPG: the wrist represents an extra equipment slot.

theoutlander• 12 years ago

Personally, I'm not interested in an iWatch. I haven't looked at the specs, but I'm assuming the iphone connects to it. If it can notify meetings, texts, alerts, phone calls, etc. it might be really useful gadget for my wife when she is busy running behind kids around the house and at work.... bonus if it gave her an insight into how much energy she spent throughout the day, haha.

moeedm2• 12 years ago

Guess: The building outside is actually a stage where Dre will perform.

canadaj2• 12 years ago

Announcing Apple Records and iLabel. They will also announce their first album to be Detox.

jl6• 12 years ago

iBeats smart headphones with voice-only UI. "Wish we could say more".

gramasaurous4• 12 years ago

The video started for me a few minutes ago, anyone else notice that there seems to be two songs playing in the background at once?

jvreeland2• 12 years ago

Came here to ask if anyone else had that problem. The combination is really strange.

gramasaurous4• 12 years ago

Yeah, it's quite bothersome. I've muted it until the show starts. Interestingly though, they seem to be playing a Tycho album in the background.

readerrrr3• 12 years ago

On the official stream?

http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/

gramasaurous4• 12 years ago

Yup, seems a few people hear it as well.

PedroCandeias• 12 years ago

Same here. It's very annoying.

sudhirj2• 12 years ago

I'm guessing that the mics are picking up the hall music, and some technician had instructions to play background music on the web feed.

gramasaurous4• 12 years ago

Sounds right, I just heard a voice over the PA system.

tcfunk2• 12 years ago

Argh, yes...it's really unpleasant.

hlmencken5• 12 years ago

seventeen songs at once are playing

subpixel• 12 years ago

I can't believe I'm actually tuning in to watch this.

hlmencken5• 12 years ago

so silly, could really make or break my opinion of apple's future

hlmencken5• 12 years ago

why am i getting bars

e0m• 12 years ago

Anyone else seeing the TV Truck schedule instead of the keynote right now?

tehwebguy• 12 years ago

Yeah, someone is about to be in trouble

Edit: Now getting "Access Denied" on http://www.apple.com/live

jvreeland2• 12 years ago

Yes, No idea why.

aianus2• 12 years ago

I am. Music is still playing in the background.

carbocation• 12 years ago

The Twitter feed at the bottom says "It's showtime" but I'm just seeing the color bars and truck schedule, too.

hlmencken5• 12 years ago

press pause and then live

hoistor2• 12 years ago

Yes. :/

rdl• 12 years ago

Switched to a crappy pre-recorded ad briefly, now back to the bars :(

bobbyi_settv• 12 years ago

I was. I refreshed and it got me the keynote, but with the audio for multiple languages at once (maybe the same root cause as the multiple songs on the TV truck screen), so I refreshed again. Now I'm back to the TV Truck schedule.

drinchev• 12 years ago

same here.

capkutay• 12 years ago

This must be part of apple's asia strategy ;)

ewang1• 12 years ago

My guess is they underestimated the number of viewers and didn't have enough bandwidth prepared.

VikingCoder• 12 years ago

Yeah, this is only the like second or third of these they've ever done, right? /sarcasm

cylinder3• 12 years ago

10:07 and still black bars. Idiots.

Edit- Getting it now, but I'm hearing a translator talking under Cook. Get it together.

Edit2 - stream keeps cutting out. Disaster.

Edit3 - Access Denied. And we're done.

ulfw2• 12 years ago

Yea maybe they shouldn't overly promote a stream (homepage redirect? WTF) if they can't scale it at all

LanceJones• 12 years ago

Laughing out loud here because this was exactly my internal dialog as I tried to tune in. You nailed it -- Apple definitely did not.

raveli• 12 years ago

Yes. And then there was 1 minute of the keynote shown with perhaps Chinese dubbing. Tim Cook has never sounded that feminine before.

itry• 12 years ago

yes. wow, they fucked it up!

MCRed8• 12 years ago

Ok, got video, but am getting the Chinese Translator speaking over Tim Cook. I can barely hear him.

brotchie2• 12 years ago

Yeah, same here :( Could be something to do with CDN routing.

ahjushi• 12 years ago

Getting audio of the Chinese Translator over Tim, but no video. "Watching" via Apple TV...

Cookingboy• 12 years ago

Pretty embarrassing for the largest tech company in the world...

colinbartlett• 12 years ago

Someone will get fired over this.

joesmo• 12 years ago

That, then video in multiple languages, then nothing, now:

Access Denied

You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server. Reference #18.1e111cb8.1410283041.b76d50

cylinder3• 12 years ago

Restricting this to Safari only? Fuck you Apple. I'm on a god damned Macbook.

OedipusRex• 12 years ago

I hope this isn't a sign of things to come, they really seem to be clamping down on third-party competitors on their platforms.

evinugur2• 12 years ago

I'm not even sure what the strategical advantage of limiting the stream in the first place. People who can't access it still want information about Apple, and often resort to 3rd party blogs, or someone else streaming the stream. I understand why apple has a closed door stance on technology, but limiting people from participating in a live event about Apple seems foolish and with no obvious benefit

derefr• 12 years ago

It's not Safari-only, it's just a Quicktime RTMP stream, like all their streams have always been. You should be able to watch it in any browser with a Quicktime plugin.

auxbuss• 12 years ago

Failed for me on Firefox with a QuickTime plug-in. Fine on Safari.

aroch5• 12 years ago

It uses Apple HTTP-LiveStream library which only Safari has support for (even though its opensource and unencumbered)... It has little to do with lock in

ewoodrich4• 12 years ago

VLC on Windows plays it fine from the direct stream.

http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...

EDIT:

I shouldn't say fine, the stream keeps dropping out completely or just has audio. But I think even the Safari people are having that problem.

hoistor2• 12 years ago

Aaand japanese translations ???

jedmeyers• 12 years ago

It sounds more like Chinese.

discardorama4• 12 years ago

It sounds like Chinese to me.

DSingularity2• 12 years ago

anyone else getting access denied?

pt• 12 years ago

Anyone hearing Chinese commentary?

SeoxyS• 12 years ago

Yeah I am. This stream is also super low quality… what is going on?

wingerlang• 12 years ago

Yup

nodesocket• 12 years ago

Solid black screen for me. Now, I have video, but why in gods name is there a Chinese translation?

Wow, this is an utter failure. Now video is skipping around.

RayVR• 12 years ago

getting translators for...mandarin? korean? over the sound of tim cook...

discardorama4• 12 years ago

Is anyone else getting Chinese crosstalk on the audio?

jastanton• 12 years ago

Yes it's incredibly distracting.

evertonfuller• 12 years ago

Well someone's going to get fired after this is over. What complete shambles so far.

dzhiurgis2• 12 years ago

I am hearing Tim Cook and some Chinese translation in the back.

Go figure.

mromanuk• 12 years ago

Yes, super annoying!

grej• 12 years ago

OUCH! This is on a MacBook Pro running Safari:

Access Denied

You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/" on this server.

Reference #18.342f0660.1410282543.baf7bd

dutchbrit• 12 years ago

Server quirk.

stock_toaster2• 12 years ago

I think Akamai is dropping the ball today.

Quai• 12 years ago

"Sorry, your browser doesn’t support our live video stream."

My browser supports live video just fine. It's -your- streaming software that lacks support for my browser.

This illustrates why I never have, and never will own a Apple product.

anon4• 12 years ago

It's really ludicrous to be this picky about browsers when you're trying to reach new customers. I presume that Apple want to market to people who aren't Apple users already.

Too• 12 years ago

Really lame yeah, it doesn't work in any of firefox, chrome or IE.

sudhirj2• 12 years ago

As far as live feeds go, this is one of the biggest screwups I've ever seen.

ulfw2• 12 years ago

Wow they seriously messed this one up.

math0ne• 12 years ago

WOW their streaming choices here have made me loose another notch of respect for apple WTF, safari only? This is 2014 apple grow up.

mitchty• 12 years ago

This has always been the case. Either setup VLC so http live streaming (which is JUST a m3u playlist of mp4 files that get downloaded in succession) or install safari.

DSingularity2• 12 years ago

now no audio?

ryanSrich• 12 years ago

Can anyone see this right now? My video is seriously messed up. I have both VLC and Safari running the stream. It's freezing, jumping around from the iPhone 6 release back to the beginning video. The audio is a combination of glitches, Chinese, and skipping english.

rubicon33• 12 years ago

Yes apple, I want to buy your products! Why? Well, because you showed such engineering prowess with your streaming service, that I am sure you know what you're doing!

bringking• 12 years ago

whats up with the Chinese translations?

fidotron• 12 years ago

Lessons so far: fragmentation is only bad when it's a criticism you can apply to other people.

EDIT: Additionally, losing Steve Jobs really was as damaging as many feared then.

jdnier2• 12 years ago

Apple's web site has a curated set of "live" posts giving details. http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/

jdnier2• 12 years ago

These highlights (with pictures) are coming in real-time and save the bother of trying to watch video.

niix• 12 years ago

Get it together, jeesh.

IkmoIkmo• 12 years ago

First no video, then constant mixing between the TV Truck schedule, a video of the crowd, a video of the presentation screen showing the apple logo, a message showing apple copyright.

Refreshed a few times, got 'access denied to server' page a few times. Then got video with Chinese translations talking over the presenter. Then it suddenly stopped, I pressed 'resume' to get the TV truck schedule again.

On an iPad.

bla22• 12 years ago

Magical, with a touch of whimsy.

matthijs_• 12 years ago

Same here, really annoying.

palakchokshi2• 12 years ago

Tim Cook's leadership right there. Jobs would never have tolerated this crap. Come on Apple live up to your hype.

calinet6• 12 years ago

Jobs led them to do it right in the first place. Quality does not happen after the fact.

mousetree• 12 years ago

Same here

highace• 12 years ago

A whole bunch of people don't have a job in the morning.

ldng2• 12 years ago

Or maybe a whole bunch of people don't live in the same time zone as you.

MoOmer• 12 years ago

Or, we had lunch

danielweber2• 12 years ago

From the prep of this whole thing, with redirecting apple.com to apple.com/live, I felt it was intended to replicate Steve Jobs's reality distortion field. "If we are going this far out, it must be huge!"

Ironically it's showing very clearly that the field has discorporated.

ksec• 12 years ago

I dont normally agree with these kind of things but honestly this time they deserve it. If this event ( and iWatch ) is really that important ( for Apple ) then this is the biggest screw up ever. Thousands ( possibly millions ) of People waiting and hoping to share the moment together and watching it live and be disappointed.

This is the worst user experience ever.

niutech2• 12 years ago

They should've used Google Hangouts on Air :P

tcfunk2• 12 years ago

It has been a very special event, indeed...

Killswitch4• 12 years ago

Yup, I got sick of it and just closed out Safari. Back to work I guess.

ewoodrich4• 12 years ago

It seems to have improved by this point. No more ultra-loud dubbing or TV truck schedules.

nether• 12 years ago

MacRumors.com is intermittently going out. Jesus. You'd think after umpteenth Apple keynotes they'd have this sorted out. It's not like it's their first rodeo.

antr3• 12 years ago

It's not only the live stream which doesn't work, it's Apple's website too with a constant "Access Denied".

mrtimo• 12 years ago

Chinese finally went away at 10:30

fla• 12 years ago

Don't worry, it's back now :-)

adam12• 12 years ago

They need to swallow their pride and just use something like youtube for this.

soperj• 12 years ago

Yeah, youtube just works.

nodata• 12 years ago

And who says Apple can't do web services?

visionscaper• 12 years ago

What I'm missing in this sub-thread is guesses as to what went wrong. The video quality of all past Apple events I've watched where border line perfect, and I've seen quite a lot of them! Any ideas?

malchow2• 12 years ago

Does anyone know whose network is delivering the streams? Is it Akamai?

mattdotc• 12 years ago

One of the links posted to the stream is hosted on p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net and a little googling shows that Edgesuite is an Akamai product.

malchow2• 12 years ago

Looks like iOS devices are being sent to a different stream. Viewing is perfect so far on my iPhone.

lifeisstillgood• 12 years ago

So the smart money is on:

- iWatch with less features, possibly just tracks your every move and becomes part of quantified self

- a new record label or Dre inspired mood

- two new iPhones

Possibly some or all put back till they are perfect.

Is this a correct reading of what has to be a record 150 HN posts in five minutes flat?

saganus• 12 years ago

I'm getting

"You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server. Reference #18.520fd717.1410283069.16b78ac2"

How come?

TheAlchemist• 12 years ago

Getting 'Access Denied' now

mslev• 12 years ago

I'm watching it using VLC. Media > Open Network Stream... > Paste this link:

http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...

grecy2• 12 years ago

me too. It drops out every now and again.. I close VLC and re-do the whole thing and it comes good again.

thisisrobv• 12 years ago

This works for me too!

ripter• 12 years ago

This works for me! Safari still shows an error.

dzhiurgis2• 12 years ago

Works just as bad. Actually managed to crash VLC somehow.

tbomb• 12 years ago

Ahh thank you! Now i can watch it on my laptop, and it doesn't cut out every 2 minutes

zvanness• 12 years ago

Right now i'm at:

Access Denied

You don't have permission to access "http://www.apple.com/live/2014-sept-event/" on this server. Reference #18.2d2f0660.1410283131.13b065e3

carlosaguayo• 12 years ago

Right now there's no even access to apple.com

udzinari• 12 years ago

WTF per minute world record just got smashed to peaces

u124556• 12 years ago

For those not able to see the video, text updates [here](http://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/2fwmcl/apple_special_...)

acomjean• 12 years ago

I like working and having the text feed. I use:

http://www.macrumors.com/ feed of the event. It autorefreshes which is nice.

evidencepi• 12 years ago

The live stream is a disaster. Anyone experiences a homepaga crash?

DigitalJack2• 12 years ago

The new iPhone 6000 SUX. Big is back! Because Bigger is Better! (c.f. robocop)

abruzzi• 12 years ago

So I have to double click the home button to reach the top of the screen?!

DigitalJack2• 12 years ago

Maybe you all are too young to remember the 6000 SUX.

shawn-butler• 12 years ago

The translation voiceover is pretty distracting.

Not sure what Apple is trying to do.

rdvrk• 12 years ago

Little onions love to disco. With Chinese translations. And the TV Truck. Maybe they have an augmented reality product coming? Bringing back the rainbow logo? This is terrible.

discardorama4• 12 years ago

Yay! The Chinese translation has stopped!! It took only 26 minutes to achieve this.

I hope someone gets fired for these goofs. I expected better from Apple.

wfjackson• 12 years ago

I wonder if they started working on the bigger iPhones while airing this ad.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY4c2mh15Yk

The new "reachability" feature is an interesting way to try to minimize the problem though, if a little cumbersome.

ewoodrich4• 12 years ago

Direct stream for VLC:

http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/14pijnadfpv...

wickedOne2• 12 years ago

quite a disgrace for a tech company of this size: either a black screen, an access denied error, stalling stream with a chinese (?) voice over…

but hey, the iphone 6 has rounded corners! B|

wilsonfiifi• 12 years ago

Streaming seems to be better from the iPad than the Mac... weird

icpmacdo• 12 years ago

I'm getting an access denied page trying to refresh the stream

sytelus2• 12 years ago

Summary:

2 new iPhone models: iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. iPhone 6 is 4.7", iPhone 6 Plus is 5.5". Power button on right side. A8 chip - 13% smaller chip, 25% faster CPU, 50% faster GPU, 50% more energy efficient than A7. Battery a little better on the iPhone 6; iPhone 6 Plus has amazing battery life. VoLTE (Voice over LTE) - make calls over LTE internet instead of using minutes. Camera is still 8MP...

YouTube video stream is working: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxCbIjAg6mg

dragonwriter• 12 years ago

VoLTE (Voice over LTE) - make calls over LTE internet instead of using minutes.

That's would have been a killer feature if it had occurred when smartphones were new enough that providers were selling plans with limited call minutes and unlimited data, but now that virtually every carrier has smartphone plans that are unlimited phone minutes/unlimited text and limited data with surcharges for data overages, who is looking to move from using voice minutes to using data?

sytelus2• 12 years ago

This could be a significant feature if one can make international calls for free.

jallmann2• 12 years ago

Really depends on how carriers choose to meter usage -- without knowing anything else about VoLTE, my guess is that voice data won't count against your cap, similar to how data from $CableCo_Video_Streaming_Service doesn't count against your cap.

Yes, this is Net Neutrality fodder.

deelowe2• 12 years ago

This is a feature for the carriers, not users. It allows Verizon (and sprint?) to finally mothball their odd voice network over time.

Zenst• 12 years ago

Also ironic as 4G (ala LTE) standard has VOIP routing for calls you make unlike 3G which uses a separate voice channel.

So if you can not make a call upon LTE normally out of your call minutes then you won't be able to make a call over VoLTE as they call it as it will just route from your device to the telco provder in the same way as currently and maybe less QoS tagging, so be supprised if there was any situation were making a pure VOIP call will be better than using normal call minutes.

Now as many say all packages tend to have more than enough voice and SMS included quota and tend not to have unlimited data.

Now for WIFI based calls with no or poor signal then this would be useful, also for long distance calls, which will probably not be included in that huge minute call bundle.

So given all that for most it will be a novel feature they will not use, but for those making calls that do not fall within their calling plan, then this may be useful.

Of note I was aware of VOIP over wifi being a feature in some phones (Blackberry and Nokia) over 10 years ago; But alas the carriers back then blocked such features from coming to the market. Nowadays carriers have changed and that may be in part how Apple initially pushed there devices onto the market allowing more clout and the fact such features will be more standard is only a good thing. Albeit for most they will be a feature they will not use.

pedrocr• 12 years ago

who is looking to move from using voice minutes to using data?

The carriers. VoLTE is the way to do Voice+Data with a single connection saving power and finally unifying the GSM and CDMA worlds[1]. This could be the first iPhone that can be used in both AT&T/TMobile and Verizon/Sprint in LTE enabled areas. It could also allow mainstream use of Wifi for voice calls like Republic Wireless does[2]. Add something like Multipath TCP[3] and you could even do seamless switching between Wifi and LTE depending on availability/performance.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LTE_(telecommunication)#Voice_...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_Wireless

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multipath_TCP

archagon4• 12 years ago

IIRC, T-Mobile lets you use Wi-Fi calling on Android to make calls abroad for free. Now it's available on iOS. Really useful for travelers.

Zigurd• 12 years ago

VoLTE is all-IP, but it is not an "OTT" technology. It's "carrier SIP for your phone number." At best, it could deliver higher voice quality between compatible endpoints. But it hasn't taken off because the advantages are mostly theoretical.

Being a carrier voice product, it probably will not have any advantages over other carrier voice products, e.g. international calls will still be the same price, etc.

anigbrowl3• 12 years ago

I can't watch any of the video (using Chrome) so I'm just watching the live updates on the website instead with bullet points...which is apparently a lot more useful than the video feed. 200 comments and nobody is discussing the technology, what a shame after all that build-up.

Anyway the new iPhone looks more like a Samsung in terms of size, screen resolution etc. but presumably with a significant Apple technical edge. It seems like a really beautiful product, and I say that as someone who doesn't care for Apple's stuff in general.

I'm sad that the launch of multiple new products is being overshadowed by the clusterfuck of the presentation, but it's a great example of execution > ideas that will probably be taught in business schools for years to come :-/

dublinben2• 12 years ago

The hardware decisions of the iPhone 6 (and especially 6 plus) closely follow what Android manufacturers have been doing for years.

JohnTHaller• 12 years ago

Mostly but not quite. The iPhone 6 is still low res (720p-ish) compared to top tier Android phones (Galaxy S4 from last year is 1080p). The only HD iPhone is the iPhone 6 Plus, but that starts at $750.

Zikes2• 12 years ago

Oh good, charts with no Y axis. How informative.

http://i.imgur.com/4UZk0MH.png

recursive2• 12 years ago

I like how there is a trend line that interpolates between different iphone generations. That's probably meaningful somehow.

stock_toaster2• 12 years ago

Now redirecting directly to cdn (akamai) at http://www.apple.com.edgesuite.net/live/2014-sept-event/

adricnet• 12 years ago

Gizmodo's live blog here has been working well for me: http://live.gizmodo.com/our-new-iphone-liveblog-starts-right...

stasy2• 12 years ago

How much will an unlocked version be of iPhone 6 and iPhone 6+? If you buy full price from Tmobile.

ChuckMcM• 12 years ago

Pretty sad, on my iPad I had it for a while first with the Chinese translation and then that faded out, then the video stopped but the 'live blog' updates kept going, and then Safari crashed. And now three versions: access denied, a plain text non-stylized page, safari crash.

Amazing that this isn't a solved problem by now.

taylorwc• 12 years ago

The livestream of this event, both browser and Apple TV access, is an unmitigated disaster. I'm not sure I've ever seen something go this poorly, and I'm certain I've never seen an Apple event go this poorly.

brotchie2• 12 years ago

ApplePay: I do this every day and have been doing this every day for the last year with my Android phone in Australia!

edit Admittedly the integration of all different types of cards with Passbook is good stuff!

philangist• 12 years ago

If apple really wanted to do something "revolutionary" you think they'd add cryptocurrency support to ApplePay.

bwb• 12 years ago

lol, is that a joke?

lukifer4• 12 years ago

They're no longer blocking Bitcoin wallets, and with the forthcoming APIs regarding payments and touch IDs, this could be a "third party opportunity": you pay with crypto, and the merchant receives dollars, with some arbitrary payment processor in between.

cylinder3• 12 years ago

Exactly. I do it in the US with Google Wallet + NFC chip in my phone.

It's very surreal to see all the fanboys lose their shit in the audience as if this is a brand new technology.

Edit: Would have been nice if you could pay with the Watch instead of pulling out the phone

__david__• 12 years ago

It's very surreal to see all the fanboys lose their shit in the audience as if this is a brand new technology.

That's pretty disingenuous. Everyone knows NFC exists, they're probably just happy it's finally coming to their platform of choice.

Edit: Would have been nice if you could pay with the Watch instead of pulling out the phone

You can!

abuzzooz• 12 years ago

Would have been nice if you could pay with the Watch instead of pulling out the phone

You can.

nmjohn• 12 years ago

I have as well in the US.

It's almost disingenuous for apple to make it sound like this is such new technology...

But I'm not going to complain, now that apple has nfc payments retailer adoption is going to go up so that's a good thing for everyone.

Apocryphon2• 12 years ago

When a technology is implemented in a way that adheres to a certain standard of quality that leads to widespread adoption, to consumers it might as well be new technology.

owenmarshall2• 12 years ago

The big win here will be increased adoption of NFC: Apple is going to drive the hell out of it, and it's going to benefit everyone.

Someone12343• 12 years ago

There's nothing left to "drive." NFC is here and has been here quite a while.

My camera supports NFC, my WiFi router supports NFC (useless though), my laptop has NFC, tons of payment providers do NFC, my LG washing machine has NFC (seriously), and on and on.

Apple is stupid late to the NFC party. NFC is here, and it is already super-popular. They cannot drive anything, they can just follow along.

blisterpeanuts• 12 years ago

Will the new Apple devices support general access to NFC, or will it be locked up for payments only?

In Android, NFC is generally available to developers, but Apple may not want that, given their tradition of hiding complexity and choices from users.

dllthomas2• 12 years ago

ApplePay seems to be doing things that others have basically done before, but doing it right in some important ways (credential on phone is for phone only, Apple doesn't get info on what you're buying), and I hope others follow suit.

CoffeeDregs4• 12 years ago

    Apple doesn't get info on what you're buying...
    and I hope others follow suit.

As cynical marketing, I definitely see the value; in reality, not so much. Amazon, Visa, Petco, PayPal, BrianTree, etc. will still have a record of my purchases and we're on an inexorable march towards wider distribution of that data. How does Apple not having this data materially affect me?

eli• 12 years ago

Sure, and there were MP3 players for years before iPod

bane• 12 years ago

Reddit live link https://www.reddit.com/live/tjm08vw836vc

sdegutis• 12 years ago

tl;dr: they made a bigger phone and a watch

clairity• 12 years ago

did anyone catch if apple devices can do peer-to-peer payments via apple pay? (e.g., one phone acting as a reader, à la square, another as payer)

yumraj• 12 years ago

Is it just me or the iWatch "looks" really ugly, at least when compared with Moto 360 which looks beautiful. iWatch may win out on functionality and user experience etc., but it just looks funky.

anigbrowl3• 12 years ago

Matter of taste. I like them, despite never having owned an Apple product.

ch4s3• 12 years ago

I agree. I think it looks pretty nice, not amazing but not ugly... just pretty nice.

diminish• 12 years ago

I have seen it through a techcrunch tweet with capital "it's beautiful". When the picture of the iwatch showed up I was shocked. Never expected such an ugly design.

general_failure• 12 years ago

Doesn't matter. Before we know every other person will now wear a watch.

I had this cynical feel to practically every Apple product released in the past. This time I am resigned to it.

julianpye2• 12 years ago

The crazy part is the Gold 'Edition' Version. It's not like a Swiss watch, which is sold to be passed on to new generations, since your children won't be happy to get such outdated tech. What will they do with old Gold versions? Smelt them?

evinugur2• 12 years ago

It's about short term profits to cash in on the hype. I wouldn't be surprised several iterations of the Apple Watch down the line when they abandon the gold edition altogether once the novelty of the product decreases and stays constant.

Jack0002• 12 years ago

makes perfect sense to me. People wear watches these days for 1. fashion 2. status symbol (see omega, longines etc)

this just covers the status symbol portion of the market

joosters• 12 years ago

Regarding the watch to be 'passed on to new generations', this is well worth reading:

http://thelastpsychiatrist.com/2011/11/luxury_branding_the_f...

snowwrestler2• 12 years ago

Maybe, actually. Return your old gold watch when you upgrade, and get some credit toward the new one. I think they already do this with other Apple devices.

https://www.apple.com/recycling/gift-card/

tvon• 12 years ago

Does not look good to me, looks a bit like the first-gen iPhone.

I'll probably wait to see what they release next year.

gone352• 12 years ago

I was about to comment the exact same thing. Perhaps it looks better in person, but honestly I find it weirdly jarring and just wrong --I never thought I would feel such distaste for a millennial Apple device. It's a shame: if it looked like the Moto 360 (except with a fully-round screen), it would have been quite something...

But then de gustibus non est disputandum, so please don't flame me if you disagree!

(PD: Also it requires an iPhone to work at all?!?? Really?? That's just sad...)

fluidcruft• 12 years ago

Maybe Motorola beat Apple to the PTO with a design patent for a circle.

CoffeeDregs4• 12 years ago

    iWatch may win out on functionality and user experience etc.,
    but it just looks funky.

As Gruber pointed out, "Everyone else has gone skeuomorphic." I think he makes a terrible point since there are a severely limited set of possibilities for putting a small screen on your wrist and since existing watches have more than exhausted those possibilities.

I agree about the Moto-360: whatever its faults, it looks nice. I understand that the watch on my wrist right now is round because of the sweep of the dials, but it's also pleasant looking. What I find exciting about the Android side of the equation is that [in a couple of years] we'll probably have a crazy range of watches from which to select. Grab a Tag Heuer Android watch with replaceable innards or maybe a few cheap Fossils for variety.

wdewind• 12 years ago

a Tag Heuer Android watch with replaceable innards

Yeah I definitely do want that. Would pay in the $1K range for a Tag quartz, if they could somehow keep an automatic movement in there...

Can't wait to see what happens when the watch companies adopt tech rather than the tech companies adopting watches.

archagon4• 12 years ago

Yeah — I usually agree with Gruber, but I think round is just a better shape for something that's meant to be worn. Jewelry is generally round as well.

Jack0002• 12 years ago

I agree. I think the appearance of the watch is more important than the UX. You might interact with it for 10 minutes out of a day, but it'll be on your wrist for the whole day. The utility of the watch has long passed from telling the time to being a fashion accessory.

commandar2• 12 years ago

There is something really weird to me about Apple arriving at almost the same overall design as Samsung after Samsung:

http://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media/image/upload/s--L8XBEzVA...

http://cdn4.mos.techradar.futurecdn.net//art/Watches/Samsung...

Especially with the Moto 360 already out there and the LG G Watch R coming later this year:

http://mashable.com/2014/09/08/lg-g-watch-r-hands-on/

Also very conspicuous that Apple made no mention of battery life, which is the achilles heel of all the current Android Wear devices.

killerdhmo• 12 years ago

Are the top comments really about the livestream problems and not about what they released? http://www.theverge.com/2014/9/9/6125873/apple-watch-smartwa...

wickedOne2• 12 years ago

well yes, this thread was / is actually about that…

cbgb• 12 years ago

Off by 1 error in the new Fitness app. Apparently you can be 101% done with a run.

gooseus• 12 years ago

Question that I didn't hear addressed anywhere in the talk or online yet.

Will the NFC capability be exposed to third party apps through the SDK in any way?

I'm curious because they started talking about the apps for iWatch right after talking about its features, but they didn't discuss NFC in any other context but its use via Apple Pay.

What do you all think?

jdprgm• 12 years ago

I was really hoping the watch would be able to track gps for runs without needing an iphone. Am i supposed to wear the watch and then still have my iphone in my hand when I go for a run? Terrible user experience.

jimotto• 12 years ago

This site has the most and best comments on the disaster by Apple. I am a fan of Apple and use many of there products. To my disappointment I was not able to hear or watch any of the broadcast. I agree with many of the comments...fire the bad guys!

laacz• 12 years ago

People will get used to iPhone6 size, though many of iPhone5 users will feel like unfarily forgotten. I was betting on iPhone6 being same size as 5s and another on just a tad larger - I was wrong.

Apple Watch does not bring anything exceptional to wrist devices world, though overall functionality and UX is much better than those of Android. It's just an accessory for iPhone. One thing they got right - wristwatch is personal, so it should be able to be made look personal and different.

I can't say much about Apple Pay. Payments via iPhone look nice (fingerprint as authorization method) but paying via Watch just does not look very secure to me - how are you going to add that one factor? Also, it's another proprietary way of paying for stuff, which just does not feel right...

krorange• 12 years ago

hahah.. from all videos player i think apple video player sucks!!. I hate that.. not to say Apple event last night (MY time). I think youtube or google services are better video player. hmm.. why apple always wanted to create and use their own video player but they denide to develop it. I cannot play video in some websites. Sucks!!! Apple should change this. BTW Im apple fan though.

natch• 12 years ago

Lest anyone blame local networks or non-Apple hardware for the streaming problems:

I was on IRC with other iOS developers viewing the streaming using Safari on Apple hardware with fully updated software all around (I know these people), in different parts of the US, people working at different companies, using different, very fast, geographically diverse networks, and all of us were seeing the same catastrophic problems at the same times: a mix of simultaneous multiple audio streams sometimes in sync, sometimes slightly out of sync, stopping and starting video, truck schedules for 5-10 seconds every minute or so, English over Chinese, audio temporarily resetting to beginning of stream while another track of audio continued at the current position superimposed over the let's-start-over audio, access denied errors, pause/continue buttons not working, refresh not working.. this went on for at least 40 full minutes as the problems started before the broadcast and didn't stop until after 30 minutes. And no, we were NOT madly hitting Refresh or pause/restart all the time, although we did try invoking them a few times and calmly waiting, usually to little avail.

I want to emphasize that when I saw a TV truck schedule on my screen in San Francisco, at that very same moment my buddies in other parts of the country started seeing the TV truck schedule on their screens as well. If we can say one thing for this broadcast, it is that the screwups were very well synchronized for many if not all viewers.

The mind boggles as to why the didn't have someone dedicated to be listening to a dog food channel of their own stream on a remote network, and report the problems back earlier, and whether they did or not, why they couldn't fix it sooner.

keithxm23• 12 years ago

This article explains pretty well what went wrong with the stream. It wasn't Akamai, it was Apple. The interactive JSON-based elements that had on their page prevented it from being cached which resulted in the issues we were seeing. http://blog.streamingmedia.com/2014/09/why-apples-livestream...

Apple – Live – September 2014 Special Event

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