The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/

by Maakuth • 14 years ago

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theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com

grey-area8• 14 years ago

What confuses me about Apple's choice of maps here is why they didn't go with OpenStreetMap? It was the perfect opportunity to leapfrog Google and help the open source community at the same time, and they would have had more control over the data - as it is they are beholden to TomTom and other providers to try to get things fixed, or will have to try to merge future map updates with their own patches. As it is they are going to see increasing controversy as people realise just how bad the maps they have bought are, and that this was changed for political reasons, not for the good of their users, and there's very little they can do about it.

They seem to have tried out OSM in the photos app (with a horrible skin), but to have used purchased data for the street maps. Perhaps they felt it wasn't good enough in some locations they tested?

In my experience OSM is superior to Google maps in many locations (even in parts of central London), and it is of course continually improving.

vondur• 14 years ago

I was under the impression that Apple did make use of Open Street Maps.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078987/apple-tomtom-opens...

grey-area8• 14 years ago

They're not using OSM data most of the time, I suspect it's just for a small amount of data - the OSM credit is a tiny one amongst a whole load of others on their credits page for the maps app.

http://gspa21.ls.apple.com/html/attribution.html

It's not clear exactly where they get all the data, and what is used where, but simple searches like Paddington Station are not working (Paddington does, but not Paddington Station), and I'm sure they're not using the OSM vector data (in the UK at least) as it differs and is less complete than OSM in rural areas for example.

It would be interesting to know just how they've put their datasets together and what they used from where, but it looks like they use tomtom map data in the UK (along with Yelp places, and perhaps Royal Mail addresses/postcodes).

awkward• 14 years ago

Open Streetmaps is a great project, but it doesn't include orthophotography. Even if they were using it, it wouldn't fix the errors with missing or blurry images, cloud cover, or rubber sheeting errors.

grey-area8• 14 years ago

Of course they'd have to get the satellite data from elsewhere (though they couldn't do much worse than the stuff they have frankly), but the vector data and POIs would have been a good start, and probably more accurate and complete than what they have, at least in some countries. They would probably always have to buy satellite imagery.

I'd rather have seen more focus on getting the basics right, even if it meant they had to leave out (for example) satellite imagery in the first iteration. As it is they have broken satellite data, broken street mapping, and incomplete place names.

If they had chosen to back an open project like this they could have had a team of people worldwide fixing their maps for them, rather than trying to collate and correct thousands of bug reports from around the world and push them out in revisions. I wouldn't like to be on their mapping team over the next few months :)

rburhum6• 14 years ago

Openstreetmap's doesnt address any of the OP's issues. Having built maps for the past 12 years, I know exactly what of each of those issues are about. The blurry images are underlying base layers that drew first and then probably the upper layer timed out when rendering the tile. The curves are caused by elevation measurements that are incorrect (measuring elevation from a satellite involves bouncing from the ground - when there are structures below, depending on the material, it may go through or bounce differently) or precision problems when generating the elevation grid (very common). The big white thing are clouds, when you buy highly expensive imagery you get them with louds (say 30% cloud blockage) and you need to comnine several images taken a different times, color correct them, and stitch them back to remove it (try to do this for one city and then think about doing it for the entire world). The routes that don't match the pins is weird, but it could be that the snapping point for the routing engine snapped to the wrong street edge (it seems very far though) or that the geocoder and the routing engine use different geocoders (that would be bad). Creating a good mapping product is difficult, but Apple will have something much better in one year.

grey-area8• 14 years ago

The link is to a rolling blog of images, so you might not be looking at the same images I am. Here is an example of one:

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31923886066/are-yo...

There are a lot of problems with road map and point data (at least in the UK) which are nothing to do with the points you've raised above, though those are fair criticisms too - however the satellite data is the least of their worries, I'm sure they could buy in a better cleaned up set of satelite tiles if they're willing to spend enough money, and people expect some problems with that, but basic search and mapping is not as complete as it should be.

smikhanov• 14 years ago

Apple will have something much better in one year

It certainly will be better but I'm not holding my breath about Apple maps surpassing Google Maps any time soon. Google bought a Rasmussen brothers' company (what eventually became Google Maps) in 2004. That's eight years of product development, data collection, storage and refining -- all at Google's pace. Will Apple find some shortcut to compress this time in one-two year? Unlikely.

It's very easy to underestimate the amount of pure, repetitive effort required to build products of this sort and how hard it is to "disrupt" the industries with players like Google.

rmc5• 14 years ago

OpenStreetMap would have more accurate information about the locations of towns etc.

VonGuard• 14 years ago

"It was the perfect opportunity to leapfrog Google and help the open source community"

The only time Apple helps open source is when they hire the most important people in really important projects, and then they graciously allow them to continue contributing. CUPS, LLVM, it's happened a couple times. They take good care of these guys, but I always feel like their contributions to the projects after Apple are being written with one eye watching over their shoulder to make sure they dont get sued for talking to the public about some super secret project.

pooriaazimi• 14 years ago

First time I heard about CUPS! Apparently it's a kind of printing system. Thanks.

http://www.cups.org/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS

andrewljohnson• 14 years ago

OSM is only comparable to commercial data in Europe AFAIK, and there, only in some places.

It's not surprising that densely populated areas in Europe/UK are complete and accurate in OSM.

grey-area8• 14 years ago

It's actually pretty good in some quite remote places, but like all mapping the coverage does vary (see examples elsewhere in this thread of remote places). Probably some countries they'd have to either fill in with commercial data, or sponsor efforts to add data to OSM.

The main advantage would be that OSM has all the adding/editing/updating stuff down - that is a major operation and if Apple are trying to do it all themselves while merging inconsistent data from several sources and taking care of customer complaints they'll find themselves falling farther and farther behind people like Google who have devoted years and years of effort and a lot of money to this just to get where they are now.

Perhaps Apple considered OSM as a basis and decided it was just too limited in areas that were important to them - it would be fascinating to find out about their internal tools for this and where the data came from but I suppose we'll never know.

sidcool2• 14 years ago

I hope this is meant as sarcasm. I cannot open the article from workplace, but I truly hope it's derision.

EDIT - People are downvoting without reading it entirely. I have mentioned I CANNOT ACCESS THE ARTICLE. So the only truth available to me is the Post here.

pdaddyo• 14 years ago

Tagline is "The Apple iOS 6 Maps are amazing. Not."

sidcool2• 14 years ago

Did you even read my entire statement?

copperred• 14 years ago

Why comment on something you can't and haven't seen just to say what you hope it is?

timdorr• 14 years ago

If you can't read the article, then why are you commenting on it?

duiker101• 14 years ago

How is it that you can browse and comment on HN but not open an article?

jws2• 14 years ago

It isn't as much fun, but the imagery of the places I care about is better than google, in some case dramatically better.

Their place data needs a lot of help. e.g. If you look for the nearest hospital from me it will take you to a new retirement community built on the site of an old hospital. It is easy to report the problem, now to see how long until it is fixed.

stephen_g2• 14 years ago

Yeah, it seems to really vary. In my short time of playing around, I haven't noticed much reduction in quality at all around my city (Brisbane, Australia) over Google Maps.

The only thing I noticed so far was that St. Lucia Golf Course was incorrectly labelled as Indooroopilly Golf Course (which is a few kilometres away). I reported it.

I'm actually fairly impressed with the number of businesses from Yelp - I wasn't aware that it was available in Australia, but it has all of even the most obscure little cafes and shops I've searched for around town.

dr_• 14 years ago

To be honest, despite its flaws, it's going to be ok for most of the people, most of the time. Navigation is going to be a big boon. Using it I haven't noticed major differences personally. Some restaurants are in the wrong location, but on the flip side I like the yelp reviews. I'm sure they will improve on the areas that are flawed.

AJ007• 14 years ago

Directions being ok most for most people, most of the time, is hardly acceptable.

Google Maps had a tendency to drop pins for locations on the wrong spot. That meant I always had to confirm the location with street view, 100% of the time.

Going to the wrong spot can be catastrophic in some instances (wrong or non existent hospital.) In others it can be really bad (missing a critical meeting, walking in during a wedding.) I don't need to give more examples.

Google giving not so great search results is one thing. I can look at the page and quickly tell that its wrong. When maps are wrong, it can add another 30 minutes between figuring out you went to the wrong spot and getting to the right one.

If Apple's management thinks its acceptable to roll out beta products on all of their users, I'll be moving to Android.

liotier• 14 years ago

  > If Apple's management thinks its acceptable to roll out
  > beta products on all of their users, I'll be moving to 
  > Android.

Sure - because Google never rolls out beta products on all of their users...

batista3• 14 years ago

>I'll be moving to Android.

Google's Android? As in Google, the inventor of the "perpetual beta"?

jpdoctor3• 14 years ago

> wrong or non existent hospital.

FWIW: I can see that turning into a lawsuit.

MartinCron• 14 years ago

Directions being ok most for most people, most of the time, is hardly acceptable

Directions that are perfect for everyone, all of the time? Has that ever happened? I don't think so. I think it has always been a steadily improving mess. This may be a step backwards, but let's be realistic, here.

jpxxx3• 14 years ago

It doesn't matter to customers whether or not the data will eventually improve - there are significant feature and quality regressions today that will cause delays in iOS6 adoption and directly work against the popular perception of their most important product. Everyone get their digs in now, because the titan doesn't stumble often.

incongruity2• 14 years ago

Apple has been virtually printing money with the iOS products because they consistently, if incrementally, offered better and better products. Products that, for most users, offered a genuinely good to great experience and products that challenged the market to be better – far better – than they had before. This, as far as I can tell, is the first really big snafu in the user experience and that may be worrisome.

The thing is – and what the apple fans are all afraid of (but few may admit) is that this isn't just a stumble, but rather, the first major indicator of what a post-Steve Jobs Apple product experience is like.

Every good ride comes to an end – it's just a question of when and how.

beatpanda• 14 years ago

Thinking that a maps app without transit and biking directions is "good enough", even if the driving and walking directions were accurate, betrays an extreme bias and disconnect with the way a lot of the world gets around.

For Apple's set of rich customers in the U.S., yeah, maybe driving and walking are good enough. But "most of the people" is a huge overstatement.

wonnage• 14 years ago

Uhh...Apple has plenty of customers in metro areas like the Bay Area or New York, Tokyo, etc. that rely heavily on public transit (I'm one of them). There are plenty of reasons to hate on Apple but stupid populist rage is not one of them.

rauljara• 14 years ago

The "roller coaster" effects in the 3-d view are my favorite. They've got some smoothing algorithm going, or it wouldn't curve the way it does, but the elevation data must not have a high enough resolution. Google has made this sort of thing look so easy for so long, but it's clearly very hard to get this stuff right.

So, I guess it's not that surprising that apple messed up something incredibly hard in their first attempt. I'm curious as to whether these issues are as widespread as they seem, or if they're more edge cases made to appear common by the internet. But the curiosity isn't enough to drive me to upgrade. I'm totally putting off that until I figure out a decent alternative app.

roadnottaken• 14 years ago

I also wonder how common these problems are. I live in San Diego and everything looks pretty-good to me. It renders my house in 3D and the turn-by-turn navigation worked great. There are obviously problems in some places, but so-far-so-good here.

jblock2• 14 years ago

http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31923428912/walkin...

http://www.techinasia.com/apple-ios-6-maps-china-japan/

Pretty common.

untog2• 14 years ago

I'm not surprised that results in California are great. This seems like a great example of why having the majority of your testers in one geographical location is not always a good thing.

tijs2• 14 years ago

I live in the Netherlands and it seems to work like a charm so far. the whole upheaval sounds like an internet pile-on to me.

chmars3• 14 years ago

In Switzerland, the information density is much lower in comparison to Google Maps and much of the still available information is wrong or out-dated. Outside rural areas, Apple Maps mostly shows a vast emptiness instead of mountain peaks, hiking trails etc.

There's definitely room for a lot of improvement …

Geee3• 14 years ago

I don't think Google has 3D view at all. Those 3D maps were created by a different company whom Apple recently acquired. You can probably find the same errors from here as well, http://maps.nokia.com/webgl/

rictic2• 14 years ago

http://www.google.com/earth/explore/products/

jonknee• 14 years ago

Google certainly has 3D view. It's on my iPad with Google Earth. They also have the more useful non-textured 3D maps in Google Maps for Android which is a lot more smooth (way less data transfer and being vector it's scalable) and you can even use them offline.

http://www.google.com/mobile/maps/3d/

joshuaeckroth• 14 years ago

See: Clement Valla, Postcards from Google Earth, http://clementvalla.com/category/work/postcards/

Maascamp• 14 years ago

I don't think Apple gets a pass here. If they are forcing users onto their product it had better be competitive, no matter how hard it is. Microsoft got so such pass with WP7 and that was an entirely new OS/platform!

Mythbusters3• 14 years ago

talking of pass, you should checkout the new nokia maps on the lumia. It's f awesome!!!

shawnc• 14 years ago

Does Apple have a Maps program on the Android devices? Are there other Maps programs available on the iOS devices? Saying Apple is 'forcing' users onto their product is a bit much.

chriswarren• 14 years ago

It's not known if Maps was removed because of Apple or Google or both. So while there's no choice on having Google's Maps removed in iOS 6, the reason it happend isn't clear. When it came time to renew the contract one or both parties could have made unacceptable demands, leading to the current situation.

cooldeal3• 14 years ago

>Microsoft got so such pass with WP7 and that was an entirely new OS/platform!

Well, around tech circles, Apple and Google frequently get more free passes compared to Microsoft.

And that's kind of funny because Nokia just put out a comparison with Apple and Google maps to cash in on this hoopla.

http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/09/20/benchmarking-mobil...

spitx3• 14 years ago

Jobs would have fired the whole Maps team, en masse.

Furiousness is a skill. Tim Cook falls short here.

LnxPrgr32• 14 years ago

Anyone here actually used this version of Maps to find someplace yet? Not just to break it and point and laugh, but to actually use it?

I can only see 3D maps as a gimmick, so I can't bring myself to care too much that it's broken. I'm slightly surprised that feature shipped in that state, but meh.

What I care about: can it get me where I'm going? It's 2012 and I've still found nothing that can do that without occasional issues. This version of Maps hasn't been in my hands long enough to judge it properly. Considering the update was just released to the general public less than 48 hours ago, has anyone had time to judge it properly?

Worth noting: I've had the old Maps try to send me through concrete walls, or direct me 400 miles away looking for the nearest branch of a bank. My dedicated GPS unit has told me I've arrived at my destination… in the middle of a busy highway, and it too has asked me to turn through concrete barriers more than once. I've had both direct me to locations well off of where I was trying to go.

This is all from actual usage.

So if anyone knows of something that doesn't have these problems, I'd love to hear from you!

zerostar07• 14 years ago

But you can't give them a pass here, the premium value that Apple sells is the amazing experience out of the box. How many years has it been since they got something wrong just out of the box?

[No apple-hater, but postponing upgrading iOS indefinitely]

barista• 14 years ago

Or getting a phone with better mapping GS III or Nokia 920

rburhum6• 14 years ago

It is either the classic problem of floating point precision or just data a data collection error. See my other answer.

Geee3• 14 years ago

I'm pretty sure some (if not most) of these problems are just polygonization issues i.e. when converting the image based approximation point cloud to polygons at a low level of detail. Those weird zigzag lines are clearly sign of incorrect topology / low polygon density; polygon edges should follow the curvature of the road, not go against it.

juiceandjuice• 14 years ago

You can get elevation data for North America from USGS: http://ned.usgs.gov/

xbryanx• 14 years ago

That level of detail in elevation data generally requires LIDAR and that definitely doesn't exist for all municipalities, and is pretty expensive where it does.

bunnyhero• 14 years ago

The 3D view mess-ups are fun to look at but are the most understandable and least unique to Apple. It's not hard to find messed up 3D in Google as well.

stephen_g2• 14 years ago

I really hope that people are using the 'Report Problem' feature in the app every time they post a screenshot here. Because that is one of the biggest things everyone can do that will help the map data to improve.

cooldeal3• 14 years ago

As Gruber likes to remind us at every chance, Apple has more than $100 billion cash lying around. How about they use a little of that to license some half decent maps from Google or, failing that, Nokia/Navteq?

Even Amazon(that Gruber sneered for making far less money than Apple [1]) managed to license Nokia maps and wrapped a nice API around it, and you think the iPhone buyers have a responsibility to work on making Apple maps better after paying for Apple's high margins so that Apple can make even more money on selling "premium" phones? Give me a break.

[1] http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/07/27/amzn-profit-corr...

jpxxx3• 14 years ago

There is no possibility that this platform change was over Apple's inability to come up with the cash to license a competitor's dataset. Their move was political, strategic, or both.

boundlessdreamz• 14 years ago

It is possible that Nokia didn't want to license the map data. That can be a selling point for windows phones now. Since Kindle is not a smartphone platform, it is not competing with Nokia.

jianshen• 14 years ago

This tumblr isn't a bad way for apple to collect "problem" spots since regular users generally wouldn't normally be motivated to click "Report Problem".

ledlauzis• 14 years ago

Apple made this decision just to dump Google and try to gain more control. Apple dind't want to use OpenStreetMap because its open source solution and Apple never uses open source solution. Yeah, its iOS and OS X is based on Linux (sort of) but they will never tell this to anyone. iOS 6 Maps sucks just like the App Store on the New iPad. Maybe it is just me but I found it very, very slow. It's better on iPhone

nicholassmith• 14 years ago

I've said this a few times (as have others) but it seems it could do with repeating.

Unless you've got inside information we have no idea who dumped who, all we know is the contract expired and it wasn't renewed. Google might have applied financial pressure, Apple might have thrown their toys out of the pram. It's unknown.

ceejayoz• 14 years ago

> Apple dind't want to use OpenStreetMap because its open source solution and Apple never uses open source solution.

Riiiight. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwin_(operating_system)

headhuntermdk• 14 years ago

OSX was based on code from FreeBSD and NetBSD and not Linux http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS_X#History and Apple has used plenty of open source solutions (gcc, samba come to mind ). Not to mention putting money and resources behind opensource projects such as llvm and webkit.

I do believe that dumping Google was a strategic decision and I'm perfectly O.K. with that. The world is full of products that are shaped more with business decisions that technical ones. What remains to be seen however is how quickly they will address the shortcomings of their map data.

glhaynes• 14 years ago

I'm clueless about mapping/geocoding/etc (it's amazing I make it to the grocery store and back) but I keep hearing that Apple needed to get this out there so that they could start getting data feeding back from the millions of iOS users, and thus (presumably rapidly) improving the quality of the maps. Is there any truth at all to that? I don't quite understand where they'd be getting that data back from - e.g. if I search for the hospital and I eventually find it 3 miles down the road from where the map took me, how would Apple/their mapping partners ever know that the POI should be moved?

bduerst2• 14 years ago

They have been wanted to get Google Maps out of the picture because of the wealth of user location data it was collecting.

I doubt that data is being collected to help users with "more accurate maps", but probably "more accurate advertising".

sillysaurus2• 14 years ago

e.g. if I search for the hospital and I eventually find it 3 miles down the road from where the map took me, how would Apple/their mapping partners ever know that the POI should be moved?

One possibility is that the phone keeps track of the fact that "you drove 3 miles past where you were 'supposed' to stop, and then stopped at some other (specific) location."

As more and more people do that --- search the hospital, drive past it, and stop at the same specific location != the phone's predicted location --- then, statistically, we can infer that the "specific location" that everyone eventually stops at is, in fact, the location of the actual hospital.

Interestingly, this implies that the current mapping problems will eventually sort themselves out... after annoying a sufficient number of customers!

rmc5• 14 years ago

There are lot of privacy problems with essentially having every iphone phone home with where it is all the time.

lttlrck2• 14 years ago

You tell them using the Report Problem button....

ajanuary• 14 years ago

You can report incorrect POI. Of course, that requires you to remember to do that, when most likely you're sitting worried in hospital after hunting around for a while.

striglia• 14 years ago

Most of the locations here are probably sourced directly from their data providers they list, including Acxiom and Factual. At this scale, they probably haven't geocoded each place themselves.

What experience I've had with those data sources makes me unsurprised that there are misplaced businesses.

jguimont• 14 years ago

Google spend much time organizing the name of the cities and road in a particular way. Now Apple has another way of doing it, the maps at higher level show less information. Some city name are picked and some are not, but at a closer level, the cities are there. Their algo to find what to show on the map is just different from Google. I'm not saying it is better, but different. I am pretty sure the same comparison can be made between google maps and let's say bing maps.

CoachRufus872• 14 years ago

Why did they stop using Google Maps?

bduerst2• 14 years ago

Google maps was receiving a wealth of location data from iPhone users. Apple is probably trying to get a piece of that pie.

rmc5• 14 years ago

I don't think Google & Apple came to an agreement. Apple went their own way.

acomjean3• 14 years ago

Probably a business decision.

Apple probably decided that having core phone functionality in the hands of a competitor wasn't such a good idea. Also Apple users were helping the competition with all the information they were uploading about geographic data.

When the original iphone shipped with google maps (and the Google CEO on hand), Apple and Google were partners, now not so much.

CoachRufus872• 14 years ago

Do you think Google will eventually release a 3rd party maps app?

wes-exp• 14 years ago

It was widely reported last year that Google started charging money for high-volume usage of the maps API. For the amount of maps API usage iOS would have, this would be a lot of money. Paying a lot of money to your competitor is generally not considered a good business move.

lbotos• 14 years ago

So I've been seeing all this hatin' on HN this morning so I figured I should check it out on my device. I mapped my commute (1 hour) and the only oddity I saw was the waviness coming off of a bridge. Beyond that Philly's buildings were all rendered correctly and my route was exactly the same as Google maps. YMMV

P.S. I must say It was really cool to see Cira Centre (The Amtrak Building) rendered in 3d. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cira_Centre

misnome2• 14 years ago

Try living somewhere that isn't a big US city. Of course the major population centers are going to be highly worked on. It's elsewhere, that google maps has gotten so good on, that people are complaining about.

The satellite imagery is as bad as googles was, but more than six years ago.

akoumjian• 14 years ago

Actually, even in big US cities results are really bad in some cases. in Seattle, for example, searching for common well known intersections brings up results halfway across the country.

protomyth• 14 years ago

For rural ND, it looks like Apple's maps are about 6 - 9 months closer to current.

acomjean3• 14 years ago

I just use Waze for turn by turn (iphone 4s) available for blackberry and andriod. Plus if you go to google on mobile safari, it basically pesters you to install a google map shortcut on the "desktop". This works very well.

I'm sure apple maps will get better, but seeing as they're not a search engine, I don't think they'll ever get quite as good at finding by location names.

finkin12• 14 years ago

Can't wait to see the consequences of this. I hope Google delays their iOS maps a while so people can get frustrated with Apple.

ralfd• 14 years ago

I don't understand your giddyness. It would be better if there would be competition instead of Google having a map monopoly.

finkin12• 14 years ago

I'm of the opinion that many things Apple does stifle competition. This is enhanced by the "Apple can do no wrong" bandwagon.

hnriot• 14 years ago

With maps.google.com (html5 version) I get some of the old functionality back, but the thing I miss most is street view. Having flyover is very pretty for demos but completely useless unless in real use. Street view, however, is actually very useful and I use it on a regular basis. As far as I know there isn't any work around to that. I will try ios6 again, but for now, I'm going to restore my backup until (if) google come out with an iPad version of maps and YouTube (instead of the iPhone only)

shinratdr3• 14 years ago

TomTom vehicles with StreetView-style 360 cameras have been spotted around Toronto. I have little doubt Apple is pushing TomTom to compile that data and it will be the first billed feature in iOS 6.1.

lhnz3• 14 years ago

It seems like the quality level maintained by Steve Jobs is quickly deteriorating in favour of business moves designed to wrest more control off Google. They are operating in a very similar way to other companies now.

Google executives must be laughing very hard right now. If I was Google I'd avoid releasing a Google Maps application for at least a year and let the Android handset manufacturers ruthlessly exploit Android's superior maps.

karlshea• 14 years ago

And you came to this conclusion based on one bad app? Quite the leap it seems.

What's missing in all of these conversations is that Apple's contract with Google for mapping ended this year. No one knows what really happened for Apple to make this change.

lhnz3• 14 years ago

Apologies, I wasn't trying to represent what I said as fact hence the word "seems". However, I do feel that this has been a very lacklustre update from Apple...

I think it would have been worthwhile to keep the contract with Google (even if it's expensive) while investing in making a better Apple Maps app.

mootothemax• 14 years ago

And you came to this conclusion based on one bad app? Quite the leap it seems.

This isn't about "one bad app," it's about a core smartphone app that everybody uses. That's why so many people are complaining and the story is kicking off all over the place.

jpdoctor3• 14 years ago

> No one knows what really happened for Apple to make this change.

I find it very unlikely this move was prompted by Google. Honestly, it looks positively amateurish the way the change was implemented by Apple.

I will admit it will drive my next phone purchase: Maps are my #2 usage after mail, I very much depend on it to get around.

api• 14 years ago

Yeah. Maps is one of the most important smartphone apps. They might have just handed the market to Droid.

DonnyV• 14 years ago

Android already has market share, this will just widen the gap.

saturdaysaint• 14 years ago

If this had any truth to it, Android would have already walked away with the market due to the iPhone's longstanding mediocre Maps app.

vineet• 14 years ago

Or, Google can release their Map application ASAP and try to build more of a foothold in the iPhone market. I guess then they would have to fear Apple rejecting their app when the time is convenient.

Osiris• 14 years ago

I'm pretty certain that Google won't be able to release a Maps App for iOS because it would violate the terms of replicating built in functionality. People can use the mobile web version, though.

chimeracoder• 14 years ago

> more of a foothold in the iPhone market.

More of a foothold? They already had virtually 100% (I'm exaggerating, but I can't think of anybody who used anything else for maps).

They don't have any incentive to make life easier for iPhone users. They have an incentive to remind iPhone users how they're really dependent on Google, not [just] Apple.

jad3• 14 years ago

> It seems like the quality level maintained by Steve Jobs is quickly deteriorating in favour of business moves designed to wrest more control off Google.

This stuff gets so tiresome. Apple has been buying maps companies for years. Steve Jobs personally ran acquisitions at Apple. He decided which mapping companies to buy and when he did he probably had a good idea of how they would fit into the platform. Development of the new Maps app was surely underway when Jobs was still alive. What do you think happened? Jobs died and the executive team was like, "Alright everyone, we've got 6 months until the iOS 6 beta is out. Let's cancel our contract with Google and get this shit maps app in there pronto!"

The reality is that Apple has been dependent upon their biggest competitor for a strategically important smartphone feature. The Wall Street Journal reported[1] months ago that Google initially balked at letting Apple have access to Street View, and didn't allow Apple access to turn-by-turn data. If the issue was only quality, Apple could have turned to Bing or Yahoo. They didn't because owning this technology is a strategic necessity in the smartphone market as it stands today. Having features dictated by competitors is not an option.

It's true that the quality of the maps app isn't great. I get looney search results (even when tapping on their search suggestions) and it's extremely frustrating. But there is something to be said for getting it shipped and starting the process of refinement and improvement. It only becomes a strategic problem if the quality doesn't improve noticeably with time.

[1] http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:FwvSLvr...

berkut• 14 years ago

> Development of the new Maps app was surely underway when Jobs was still alive. What do you think happened? Jobs died and the executive team was like, "Alright everyone, we've got 6 months until the iOS 6 beta is out. Let's cancel our contract with Google and get this shit maps app in there pronto!"

No, I'm sure SJ wanted to get way from Google. But I doubt he would have let Apple release iOS6 maps in the state they're in if he were still in control.

Maybe they should have kept it US only and still use the old Google one for outside the US, as that seems to really be where the quality issue is with the data.

lhnz3• 14 years ago

>> It only becomes a strategic problem if the quality doesn't improve noticeably with time.

The negative PR and reduction in the quality of the core experience might cause a reduction in sales or consumer opinion of Apple.

>> What do you think happened? Jobs died and the executive team was like, "Alright everyone, we've got 6 months until the iOS 6 beta is out. Let's cancel our contract with Google and get this shit maps app in there pronto!"

Your assertion that Apple had a choice between owning strategic maps technology or licensing from others is incorrect as they are not mutually exclusive.

I have to say I don't think it's a smart strategic move -- somebody has acted on a false dilemma and as a result reduced product quality. As you pointed out yourself, Apple could have gone to Microsoft or Yahoo to retain quality or they could have fought harder with Google to keep the contract for a while longer. It was not a bad strategic decision to buy maps companies and to put R&D into creating their own maps solution, however it is a bad decision to release Apple maps in this state.

qq662• 14 years ago

It's not that tiresome. Jobs would have clearly done things differently. He would have either 1) paid retail prices for Google Maps API access until Apple could build a shippable product, or 2) Gone on stage and painted Google as a big evil bully who was stealing good Maps from iPhone users -- the media headlines would read "Google Reneges on Loyal Apple customers" or something like that. Notably, the second option is not available to Tim Cook.

blub• 14 years ago

Yahoo is using Nokia's API and Bing is in the process of doing the same thing.

samstave• 14 years ago

It's just too bad Jobs is dead and is not here to personally fire the apple maps team.

psgibbs• 14 years ago

I think this idea that every product Steve Jobs released was 100% quality is largely wrong – people just choose to only remember the hits. Apple has always released early - largely polished, but rough around the edges. Remember the early days of OSX? tons of loose ends. The first iPhone? definitely had stability issues, missing huge core features e.g. MMS. AppleTV? Ping? XCode 4?

leephillips• 14 years ago

Note that you can still go to maps.google.com in Safari. Give Safari location permission and it works similarly to the old maps app, but a bit slower.

SoftwareMaven3• 14 years ago

I look at this and can't believe Apple wanted to ship with this. And I mean that literally, not incredulously. I believe Apple wants to be in carol of its mapping future, but this product isn't ready yet, and I don't think Apple is so delusional to not be able to see that.

So that makes me wonder what happened in contract negotiations with Google to force it out. Did Google flat-out say "No"? Seems unlikely. Was it just too expensive? That's possible, especially if these negotiations happened during the time Google massively raised the prices on its API (completely random speculation: maybe the price increase was only about Apple), so Apple had to invest elsewhere. Did Google just want control of their map data or want to give Android a massive competitive edge so they backed out? That seems unlikely, but may be answered if Google doesn't put out a map app for iOS.

buro9• 14 years ago

Adverts.

Spatial adverts are a big thing now, with a big future. I would speculate that beyond the cost of licensing the maps or the contractual stuff is that Apple did not want to deliver to Google more advertisers that would further entrench Google Maps as the dominant player.

Apple need to be able to build their own POI database and knowledge of where all advertiser businesses are in order to get that revenue long-term.

Thus, Apple need control of the maps to control the method that advertisers get onto the map.

I think it's just strategic rather than contractual or short-term financial.

rictic2• 14 years ago

I'm not sure whether you're saying that there weren't google ads in the old iOS maps, but I'm fairly sure I saw an ad there when I did a search for Pizza Hut a week ago in SF.

taligent2• 14 years ago

None of this is true.

Google doesn't own their own POI database they license it from others and to date Apple hasn't approached these companies. So it isn't about the POI database.

It's more about the fact that Google was withholding data for Turn by Turn and 3D.

jblock2• 14 years ago

I couldn't care less about what Apple was thinking before they released this. What matters is that they pushed out a living, breathing UX fuck-up of an application to millions of people that depended on it to get around.

jws2• 14 years ago

And if each iPhone user reports one problem, the entire POI problem will be solved.

I didn't calculate that, but I'm fairly certain it works. The only reason Google knew where my businesses were was because I told them. They kept that information walled up, so I guess I need to tell apple too now that there are millions of people seeing that database.

I haven't found where to add a POI, it may not be there, but marking wrong ones is easy.

Edit: Found it. Adding a location is under the "report a problem" under the curl up corner. Don't start with a new pin.

ChuckMcM5• 14 years ago

You are probably correct. However if you look at Google's moves in the maps API with respect to charging money the simplest explanation is that Apple and Google could not come to terms on the price for access and so Apple went with 'plan B'.

Given the pain Apple is causing Google in its patent assault I don't doubt for a minute that the senior management at Google would have any regrets about 'losing' the Apple map business vs 'gaining' a poorly executed maps product on their premier devices.

I also don't expect Apple to approve any Google "maps" application any time soon either given how strategic it is for their mobile business.

My best guess is that Apple did the math and said "Well its going to suck rocks but we have to dominate this space, this moves our time table up but doesn't change what we need to do, ship what you have and put your best team on making it excellent."

EDIT: Reminds me of Intel's response to AMD's multi-core where Intel literally glued two separate CPU chips into the same package and shipped it as a 'multi-core' CPU. That sucked too but they had an answer in the market, and they invested in making that answer competitive over the next 3 years to get a more real multi-core out the door.

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_D

MatthewPhillips2• 14 years ago

Apple doesn't have a history of dominating any free-to-use services so I'm doubtful that they'll invest beyond the "good enough" threshold. This feels like ReadingList to me.

Tichy4• 14 years ago

I really doubt that they charge Apple for shipping Google Maps on their phone. They want as many people as possible to use the app.

snogglethorpe3• 14 years ago

> I also don't expect Apple to approve any Google "maps" application any time soon either given how strategic it is for their mobile business.

Soooo, their users don't matter? "Business strategy" is more important?

This is Apple?!

eddieplan9• 14 years ago

It also reminded me of Apple cutting off Internet Explorer for Mac[1] and went with building Safari. See how that worked out for them (and all devices relying on WebKit).

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Explorer_for_Mac

toyg5• 14 years ago

> the simplest explanation is that Apple and Google could not come to terms on the price for access

Yeah, it's not like Apple is sitting on a mountain of cash right now! Oh wait...

obeattie• 14 years ago

> Was it just too expensive? That's possible, especially if these negotiations happened during the time Google massively raised the prices on its API

I think the figure was that Apple had $117bn or so IN CASH at the end of Q2. Whatever it was, money cannot have been the issue here. (Also, consider the cost of developing the new Maps.app in-house. Huge.)

therandomguy• 14 years ago

If I had $500 in my pocket I would still not pay $20 for a latte.

rhizome• 14 years ago

Release early, release often. Luckily Apple themselves don't have any delays getting revisions into their app store.

WiseWeasel3• 14 years ago

The only issue is that since Maps is a default app, not managed by the App Store, Apple has to push OS updates to update it in any way, which is somewhat of a barrier to adoption.

psychotik• 14 years ago

That makes sense, but you miss one point - Google isn't the only game in town. Why not contract with Bing, which has it's own mapping app on iOS and use that for iOS 6 (either permanently, or as a stop gap while you perfect your own mapping software). I would be surprised if Microsoft would reject that offer, given that it would help them get more search share and mindshare. I wonder if they tried this at all.

nikcub• 14 years ago

> what happened in contract negotiations with Google to force it out.

This is almost certainly Apple being pissed off about Android and continuing to untie themselves from Google.

It just isn't working out as well as they had planned.

Google give Maps for free to other providers as well, as long as you bundle search/gmail with it.

Apple decided to pick out and replace the only part that Google don't make money on in iOS, the part that had the most technical risk and the part that Android completely kick their ass on.

Google right now are asking why they should bother going to the trouble of producing a no-revenue Maps app for iOS when so many users suddenly discovered a greater appreciation for Android today.

Apple completely screwed up here. In more ways than one - and it was all because of a grudge.

Aloisius• 14 years ago

Since Apple doesn't have a website for their maps, just knowing what is broken is going to be a problem for them.

I wonder if they will put in a map editor in their next version to crowd source fixes or at least bug reports.

ehamberg• 14 years ago

It already has that, to some extent.

When you click somewhere, one of the options you get is “Report a Problem” which lets you say that something is missing or indicate where a point of interest _should_ be by placing a pin.

guilhermetk• 14 years ago

I'd really like to know where the data from Brazil comes from, specifically Florianopolis, SC. The first thing I did when I updated to iOS 6 was testing the maps app. The building I live is at least 5 years old, but the map shows it under construction

outside12342• 14 years ago

iPhone 4S with iOS 5 > iPhone 5 with iOS 6

Nice work Apple - that's going to save me a few hundred dollars!

headShrinker5• 14 years ago

Your comment is relative and adds very little to the discussion here.

outside12342• 14 years ago

Sorry - my point is that (minus sarcasm), for the first time, Apple has done something to discourage folks from upgrading both on the hardware and OS fronts. Not a great move.

shriphani• 14 years ago

And I thought I had it bad with Bing Maps on WP7. Well, goes to show that lower-bounds exist to be breached.

mtgx• 14 years ago

Seeing the poor state of the Apple Maps, I think Google can wait 2 years or so before even considering releasing Google Maps for iPhone. More people will want Android phones as they can't leave without it, just like some can't live without the Gmail app for Android.

grey-area8• 14 years ago

For those who think this is just a problem with the 3D images, or are not convinced there are serious problems even after seeing this tumblr, try looking outside of California, at both satellite and standard maps. Some example searches:

"Brighton, UK", Satellite - a major UK city is so blurry you can't see streets.

"Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands" - ends up in the middle of the sea, and no roads on the islands at all.

"Colchester" - satellite shows clouds, in B&W

"Senkaku Islands" - compare satellite with standard to see duplicates of these disputed islands.

"Puno,Peru"- in lake Titicaca

etc.

They probably had to rush this out, but it's really not ready for widespread use in some areas; they'd have done better to cut back the features and massively extend their testing (or use a crowd-sourced alternative). Given how extensively this is used in iOS, both by apps using Mapkit and by customers every day round the world, it's vital that is it correct, and getting it wrong in such obvious ways is a massive strategic error on Apple's part.

shinratdr3• 14 years ago

Arguable, but there is something to be said for pushing it out there. Maybe it would have been better as a staggered release, but it's not like they need to wait for the next update to solve these problems. These are all issues with server-side map quality, which can be updated on-the-fly.

We can only hope they're aggressively removing dead POIs and adding new ones. If it has been a week and nothing has changed for anyone, I would start to worry.

brudgers2• 14 years ago

tl;dr

"iOS 6, Navigate Differently"

[At least I find it amusing]

mbel• 14 years ago

"Navigate Different" -- remember the details, Apple loves details.

derfclausen• 14 years ago

In regards to "Where did my university’s buildings go?" (http://theamazingios6maps.tumblr.com/post/31928845471/where-...), it does bother me that so many universities have provided specific map details to Google (see http://google-latlong.blogspot.com/2012/02/map-your-campus-a...), but not OSM.

mullingitover• 14 years ago

The beauty of this: Apple is definitely going to sell record numbers of the iPhone 5, shitty maps or not. And when they eventually do claw their way back to being on par with Google's maps, people will act like they invented maps themselves and all will be forgiven.

arunoda• 14 years ago

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mikeleeorg• 14 years ago

Are there alternate map apps on iOS that anyone could recommend?

MaysonL• 14 years ago

Apps+ - it's free Google Maps basic, with a 2.99 unlock for added features.

mapgrep• 14 years ago

Funny subtitle: "The Apple iOS 6 Maps are amazing. Not."

People seem to think "amazing" == "cool". Not so! It just means astonishing or surprising. Which makes the word so much more interesting to use. "We charge $9 for a bottle of Corona." "That's amazing!"*

So the iOS 6 maps really truly are amazing :)

*True story

josephcooney• 14 years ago

Same thing goes for the word 'incredible'.

ernestipark• 14 years ago

I just upgraded to iOS 6 last night and just used it to get around downtown Boston. It was unusable. It had some incorrect data about some locations, it was confusing to use, and when I typed in a location, it would look in different cities instead of the one I was currently in. Unfortunately, one of the biggest apps I use regularly has taken a big step backwards.

insickness• 14 years ago

While we are ragging on maps...

I live in New York City. Sometimes Google doesn't put the street names on all the streets. I often have to scroll left or right or out to see what street it's on. Obviously you can't list the names on every street when it is zoomed out, but even when there aren't more than 4 or 5 streets on the map, the street names still don't appear. It's like they'd rather list local restaurants than street names. Has anyone else experienced this with Google maps?

tayl0r2• 14 years ago

Happens to me all the time here in Berlin. Very frustrating. Sometimes I have to scroll 2 screens away before I find the street labelled.

edoloughlin• 14 years ago

This [1] made the news in Ireland today, when a city farm in Dublin called "Airfield" was labeled as an airport. It was thought that pilots in trouble might attempt to land there, but I can't see why checking maps on their iPhones would be part of emergency procedure.

[1] http://searchengineland.com/irish-politician-calls-apples-ne...

ForrestN• 14 years ago

It's obvious that Google withheld or made it prohibitively expensive for Apple to pay for the liscence to google maps.

It does retroactively make the case for handling these things in-house, especially when the partner is a competitor. After years of giving Google valuable data to the point where it becomes a major competitive advantage, google presumably says "go to hell."

enraged_camel3• 14 years ago

I don't know why you got down-voted, because you're most likely correct. A lot of people blame Apple for making this move out of pure spite (and perhaps some grudge), but they probably did a huge cost-benefit analysis to be able to justify the switch.

white_devil2• 14 years ago

"ZOMFG APPLE SUCKS!"

There's a new huge undertaking of making a modern, competitive "Maps" product. Who'd have thought that when the first version ever is released, its data is not as accurate as a seven-year-old competitor's?

This is fucking ridiculous. Let's see how long it takes for Google to replace everything it has with vector graphics. You know, to get even with the iOS 6 Maps. Who's the incumbent in two years?

Simucal• 14 years ago

I could be mistaken but I've read that Android has had vector based maps in its app for awhile.

white_devil2• 14 years ago

The Maps app on my phone is still based on tiles. But you're right, there's a new version with vector graphics.

juliano_q• 14 years ago

Android has vector graphics since 2010.

homosaur• 14 years ago

This thing is an AMAZING atlas, especially on the iPad. It's a horrible navigation tool though.

dakrisht• 14 years ago

Wow. That's all I have to say. WOW.

lucian303• 14 years ago

Amazing? This is old tech. Google maps. Perhaps you've heard of it?

ilaksh• 14 years ago

But you're still going to buy Apple because that is what all of your rich and trendy friends use.

I have never owned an Apple product. The main reason for this is related to class and/or culture and financial circumstances. My family was always very frugal and on the lower side of middle class.

And honestly I'm frugal and so when I buy devices I am focused on value and bought a laptop with a good graphics card and other features that I put Linux and Windows on. Also I am not comfortable around people so I have pretty much no friends. If I had more friends in web development I might have felt an overwhelming peer pressure to buy a Mac.

The point is that these decisions are not actually based on technical merit, not for me or for Apple fans, because that's not how humans make decisions. We need to be very careful to take a step back every now and again and make a conscious effort to correct trends towards a more rational basis.

The Apple ecosystem is generally more polished, that is true. However, its also very much closed compared to other systems like Google's and outdated in some ways. For example, Objective-C is a ridiculous over-complex relic and it is very embarrassing that so many people waste their time with it.

Its obvious that we need to focus our attention and money on more egalitarian and open businesses. And pretty soon, even the most open and inexpensive products and services are not going to be a good value as better knowledge and data sharing becomes more practical and popular.

The future is open, knowledge-based (some derivative of KR) operating systems where machine code isn't even allowed. The future is knowledge-based programming language and platform development and evolution. The future is ubiquitous open cross platform applications. The future is content-oriented peer to peer web knowledgebases and applications. The future is open source phones that you print out in 3d on your desk.

The future of technology is open, distributed, cohesive and yet decoupled, mature, substantive, and egalitarian. Apple is none of these things.

bluthru2• 14 years ago

>And honestly I'm frugal and so when I buy devices I am focused on value

The iPhone is $200. You still can't get a tablet that matches the iPad 3 for $500. Saying Apple is expensive is like making one button mice jokes.

Value is a product of usefulness and longevity, plus resale value. It's ridiculous to proclaim that Apple products aren't high on value--I still use my 2007 MacBook Pro running Mountain Lion. It works out to well under a dollar a day and I didn't have to make any compromises in the process.

>The future is open source phones that you print out in 3d on your desk.

The future is also a Star Trek replicator, and just as relevant to the discussion.

>Apple is none of these things.

Because talented people want to be paid for their efforts, and I'm fine paying people for doing great work?

fpgeek10• 14 years ago

> The iPhone is $200.

The cheapest new iPhone on sale (the iPhone 4) is $450. If you think it costs less, that's because you have let Apple and the carriers fool you.

The cheapest Android, meanwhile, is less than $100. Even better, you can even get a new Galaxy Nexus for $100 less than the cheapest new iPhone.

jarospisak• 14 years ago

Relevant: how Google test maps http://youtu.be/49JepTyK0NA?t=36m57s

dm8• 14 years ago

Looks like it works well in bay area but outside bay area it's pretty bad. Apparently, Redditors are pretty pissed off - http://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/106rvw/new_ios_6...

Looks like AAPL tested it in Cupertino and worked well. Thought it will work well in rest of the world too. Classic mistake?

hackermani• 14 years ago

Umm well Google maps are waaaaay superior. Apple give us the choice to use what we want, till you get your act toghether. Spend some of thoese billions and drive a bunch of cars around or heck buy a few satellites

laacz2• 14 years ago

What actually bothers me the most, is poor quality of iOS6.

It has several bugs (excluding maps and unfortunate wifi bug), which already have affected me and users around me. Some most notable include following.

* Sometimes iTunes update screen does not refresh,

* You can't disable vibration for notifications per application (i love my email in notification center, still - i do not need it to vibrate; in 5.1 it worked).

* Also, phone from time to time vibrates, though nothing has happened (no new notifications or alerts).

* Most annoying one is that they changed keyboard input, so you can't enter special characters (common in Latvian) by holding and swiping left/right. You have to swipe up and then left/right. Makes big deal, when typing.

I know it all will be fixed in 6.0.1, but still - there is visible decline in quality of provided software, which actually makes me very sad as a user.

kalleboo• 14 years ago

Apple's 1.0 release are always kind of buggy. I remember iOS 5.0 was really buggy, and OS X 10.X.0 releases are notorious.

leoedin• 14 years ago

I love the one of houston highrises with gas stations on each one (they're actually the corporate headquarters of oil companies).

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mantx26oqv1rhptwbo1_1280.p...

rabidsnail• 14 years ago

The mapquest app is better than this. I wonder how much it would cost to persuade AOL to part with the mapquest division.

DigitalSea• 14 years ago

I think my favourite image was the state park with this caption beneath it, made me laugh out loud: "Valley Forge State Park became Valley Forge National Historical Park a few years ago… in 1976" in all seriousness Apple's maps offering quite clearly isn't up to scratch in comparison to Google's maps application.

While Google have made mapping look easy for a long time now, it quite clearly isn't as easy as Apple thought it was. If Jobs were still alive, maps would never have been released in the state that it currently is. Seems like Apple rushed the release of maps, I wonder what the real agenda for moving away from Google maps in the first place was here? It quite clearly wasn't because Apple had a superior maps offering than Google could offer.

Way to force us iPhone users to use an inferior mapping product. Luckily Google have submitted a maps application to the maps store, but it'll probably get rejected for competing with the iPhone maps application.

dumb_dumb• 14 years ago

The Amazing Parchment Maps 6

1/100 of the cost of an Apple device.

Thinner.

Lighter.

Faster.

No Chinese workers exploited.

pbreit• 14 years ago

I was expecting much worse. I don't think the problems with the 3D are that big of a deal. And things like the Washington Monument being off by a few dozen feet are fine.

What I will say is that Google for the longest time did not locate properly my home or my store in the middle of downtown San Francisco and Apple's maps have them correct on Day 1.

dude8• 14 years ago

I just got a Mac but this is the first time their closed source monopoly crap has bit them in ash. The more it happens the quicker they will change. It's a good day.

Jarihd• 14 years ago

How can someone release a product like this !!!

What were the PM, team manager, technical architect, developers and QA doing !!! Didn't they observe this !!!

Is this a deliberate product release ???

antirez• 14 years ago

I think Apple did the switch with bad timing, before having a good solution in place... but in the end maybe facing some real technological challenge can be good for them? Every time they have to do serious software / infrastructure stuff they seem to be weak, even with iMessage that is not exactly that super-hard thing to do, there are reliability problems. I hope that this map stuff will make Apple a bit more CS oriented, but not as much as Google is.

tsahyt• 14 years ago

This is bad.. really bad. I'm not sure whether Apple screwed this up so badly or Google really did a brilliant job on Maps.

rkrkrk21• 14 years ago

Its now very clear that Apple is loosing its direction after steve jobs gone. People who used to get crazy about the release of apple products will no loose the passion if apple follows this path.

albumedia• 14 years ago

The iOS 6 Map issue is nothing more than a PR stunt from apple.

I think it's brilliant. What's the best way to get people talking about their new map feature?

Release a map product that is inferior to Google maps then push a major update.

Everyone will be surprise how good iOS 6 map will be in a few weeks.

The Amazing iOS 6 Maps

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