Web Framework Benchmarks

http://www.techempower.com/blog/2013/03/28/framework-benchmarks/

by pfalls • 13 years ago

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bhauer44• 13 years ago

I worked with Pat (pfalls) on this effort. He pulled the benchmarks together and built the script to automate the tests. We aimed to deploy each framework/platform according to best-practices for a production environment and then stress test common operations: JSON serialization of objects and database connectivity. We were surprised by the wide spectrum of performance we observed and hope that this interesting to you as well. Four orders of magnitude in one of our tests!

If you have any questions or see something we stupid we did, please let us know. We'd like to correct any mistakes straight away, especially since we're certainly not experts on all of these frameworks and platforms.

goodwink17• 13 years ago

I'd be interested to see performance for Vert.x on its other hosts (this is the JVM version, I believe).

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Interesting point. You're correct, we've only tested Vert.x as a Java/JVM platform.

spartango3• 13 years ago

I think you may misunderstand Vert.x's polyglot features:

While vert.x supports many programming languages, all of these are run on the JVM runtime. This means when you use the ruby vert.x API, you're using JRuby; likewise with Javascript run through Rhino, Python through Jython, and Groovy/Scala run through their own interpreter/compilers.

That said, it would definitely be interesting to see the performance implications of using one of those languages and vert.x on the JVM.

davidw• 13 years ago

Erlang would be nice to see, with, say, Chicago Boss.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Agreed. As you can imagine, we had to stop adding additional frameworks somewhere or we'd never get this posted. :)

ubershmekel• 13 years ago

I'm no expert, but I think certain languages/frameworks are better suited to be behind certain servers when high concurrency is tested. E.g. from http://nichol.as/benchmark-of-python-web-servers it seems django would be better served behind gevent.

rozap2• 13 years ago

There are a lot of variables and tweaking that can be done, and it would be nearly impossible to optimize each.

Similarly, I was wondering what sort of an effect connection pooling would have, as the out of the box django distribution doesn't do that. It really didn't perform too well in their tests.

bascule• 13 years ago

Since these tests seem to be all about JSON serialization, it would've been interesting to see the tests with rails-api instead of the standard Rails stack:

https://github.com/rails-api/rails-api

What webserver were you using on JRuby? Was it Trinidad? Did you try Jetpack?

stephenhuey2• 13 years ago

I concur, and Rails 4 may not be officially released yet but it's stable enough to run these tests against.

krg• 13 years ago

There is a huge difference between raw PHP and CakePHP. I'd be curious to see other PHP frameworks (such as Zend, or Slim) in there-- is Cake just particularly slow, or is that simply what happens when you have a PHP framework?

insraq• 13 years ago

Per my experience, CakePHP is probably one of the slowest PHP frameworks. It has a large overhead and lots of legacy code that slows down the whole system. Generally, frameworks targeted at PHP 5.3+ are faster. PHP 5.4 has further performance boost in production and PHP 5.5 has Zend Optimizer built-in, which suppose to further speed up but I have never try that in production.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We have Zend in mind as the next PHP framework we'd like to include in the tests.

Schlaefer• 13 years ago

CakePHP is always at the bottom end of these "framework performance" tests even when comparing PHP only. It's the everything but the kitchen sink of PHP frameworks with bells and whistles never used by these "hello world" performance tests. Just the wrong tool for the job if you want to spill out some js.

Joeri3• 13 years ago

I'm curious if they configured php with apc or zend optimizer. The huge difference is easy to explain as parse overhead for the framework's code, which happens on each request if you're not using a bytecode cache.

pekk9• 13 years ago

The relation of PHP to everything else in this benchmark is so unusual among benchmarks, that I strongly suspect a failure of parity with other configurations. Hopefully that is unintentional.

beryllium2• 13 years ago

Yep, this is exactly what I was wondering. Opcode caching is a key part of production PHP environments - in this case, since the code isn't changing, they should even disable the "change check" (apc.stat=0) as one would do in a production environment.

And if this is the case with their configuration of PHP, it makes me wonder what other platforms are not configured for production in this benchmark :)

bsingh4• 13 years ago

Also, it would be beneficial to see Phalcon PHP - its implemented as a C extension so should theoretically be faster. http://phalconphp.com.

Joeri3• 13 years ago

If we're going that route, the fastest php performance you would probably get from facebook's HHVM JIT compiling php engine: https://github.com/facebook/hiphop-php

It's no accident that zend optimizer (bytecode cache) is being bundled into php 5.5 as open source, as mere bytecode caching is now not fast enough to charge money for when hhvm is open source. I expect the next version of zend's commercial php server product to contain a JIT engine to match what hhvm can do.

aleem• 13 years ago

That would certainly be very interesting, especially as PHP is being nudged into that area (Twig also now offers a c-module).

I really hope the author picks up on this and compares it. It could provide some tremendous insights into pushing PHP further into this space.

goodwink17• 13 years ago

What was the parallelization like across these tests? Were they all running single thread/process mode or did you try to take advantage of threading/multiple-processes/etc. to optimize a production-like performance across all the different frameworks? If the latter, that's a really impressive amount of work!

pfalls9• 13 years ago

We attempted to take advantage of threading/multiple-processes as best we could (see the nodejs code for an example of using the cluster module). But we suspect there are additional areas of improvement here.

goodwink17• 13 years ago

After having a look at the code on github it looks like they did set up multi processes/threads to really test the scalability on these platforms. That's really impressive, way beyond the single thread experiment I would have anticipated something like this doing! Wow!

bhauer44• 13 years ago

The short answer is that we attempted to use the CPU as fully as possible across all frameworks. So for those that had tunable parallelism, we used the settings that seemed best given the number of cores available on each platform (2 for EC2 Large, 8 for i7).

We posted the deployment approach for each framework to the Github page.

Kiro2• 13 years ago

So this means I should stop using CakePHP?

anuraj3• 13 years ago

If you care about performance, the thinner the framework, the better.

dkroy• 13 years ago

Doesn't matter if you compile it like Facebook had done with their php at one time when they needed to scale.

kh_hk• 13 years ago

Why would you? If you write clean maintainable code and are productive using it there's no problem, there are tons of ways of tuning Cake (as most frameworks). The default configuration is meant for 'bootstrapping'.

However, if you are interested, you can always check out other PHP frameworks (Yii, slim), or if you like all the bell and whistles from Cake and are willing to dive into another language, you can always experiment with ruby (ror, sinatra), node (express) and python (flask).

asadkn3• 13 years ago

Not really. Take this benchmark with a grain of salt unless they benchmark it again with APC at minimum. Nobody serious about a web app would run a PHP app without APC.

Similarly, relatively modern deployment standards (not really cutting-edge) like nginx and php-fpm OR apache 2.4 with worker mpm + php-fpm should be added to the mix.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Asadkn, we'll try to get things revised based on your feedback. Admittedly, we have some learning to do with tuning production PHP environments.

mootothemax3• 13 years ago

So this means I should stop using CakePHP

I always strongly advise not using CakePHP, purely because its model system is so broken, it makes my teeth itch.

Kiro2• 13 years ago

How is it broken?

grey-area4• 13 years ago

If you're serving only json snippets from memory and might have hundreds of simultaneous users, yes!

If you have existing sites built with it which work fine, then this benchmark doesn't tell you a great deal other than that php is relatively slow, and frameworks built upon it slower. For many websites which have a caching strategy sitting behind a server like apache or nginx and less than a few thousand users a day, this really doesn't matter, and other things like features are more important. This hlds even for bigger site too - Facebook for example still runs PHP (compiled to one big binary). Personally I wouldn't use PHP because of the language/std lib but this sort of performance shoot-out should not put you off it.

kainsavage6• 13 years ago

Obviously, the data should not steer you towards rewriting applications using a different framework. Really, it should just show as another metric to help deciding which framework is best suited for your needs. If you plan on writing up a blog application for yourself and you might get 100 concurrent users, then you could use CakePHP for the sake of familiarity. Then again, if you are trying to write the next Twitter and have the requirement of needing to be able to service 20,000 concurrent requests, then I would say "yes, this means you should stop using CakePHP."

akmiller• 13 years ago

I'd like to see how .Net MVC would compare. I realize you'd have to spin it up on a Windows EC2 instance and there would definitely be some variance in the performance of that box vs. the nix EC2 instances but I'd still be interested in seeing how it fares in comparison.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We agree. We aim to provide a .NET MVC test soon. We did briefly test that on our i7 hardware and if memory serves me correctly, it clocked in at around the position as Spring.

But don't quote me on that! :)

macca321• 13 years ago

Yep, would also be interesting to see Web Api, hosted on Windows and on Mono.

pfalls9• 13 years ago

I think you're about right on that one. Of course we were running on mono.

bblackshear• 13 years ago

I would also suggest ServiceStack

hhudolet• 13 years ago

I would very much love to see:

it would hopefully compare with java stacks!

adad952• 13 years ago

And Synchronous and Asycnhrounous (Using C#5 async) version.

anuraj3• 13 years ago

Interesting - C# should have also been added. Java still rules the roost. If you should absolutely have a scripting language - old php with warts is better. More magic in the framework - more abstraction and indirection and code inefficiency - that can be the spoil port when it comes to performance.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We agree and want to get a C# test in there. It's among the top priorities for us.

jondot4• 13 years ago

pfalls - amazingly, I spent the last 2 days of my holiday doing the same thing for a future open source project. I was just stumped when I saw you guys did the same (could have saved me a couple of days!)

I wanted to find the leanest Web framework on any kind of platform; but the difference from your approach - I already knew the kind of code that would run on it.

I tested: Go, Java (servlet, dropwizard), Scala (scalatra), Ruby, Node.js (connect).

For me it was:

* Scala

* Java

* Clojure (equal to Java - big surprise here)

* Node.js

* Go (almost equal to Node.js)

* Ruby (far far down)

Scala took the lead with amazing results. More over, a good metric was latency which Scala was the only one to take micro-second resolution.

I'm not a fan of Scala because of its surrounding tools, which is why I'm still considering going for either Clojure or Node.js.

I think the most surprising positively was Clojure, being that it is a dynamic language. And most surprising negatively was Go - by itself is impressive, but when given real work (Web handling, Redis/mongodb) goes bad quickly. Happy to see this correlates with your findings too; I'm assuming this is a symptom of library maturity..?

I'd be happy to see how Scala fares on your tests.

You've done an awesome job!

pfalls9• 13 years ago

Thanks for the comment!

This started out as a small exercise, that quickly ballooned because we were curious about every framework and platform. Obviously we had to stop somewhere, but we're very interested in adding more tests in the future. In fact, we're hoping the community will help us out as well!

jondot4• 13 years ago

Yes, I know the feeling :)

What started as a couple of hours of exercise for myself ended up as 2 days of hacking and barely sleeping, as surprises in my assumptions kept unfolding, and as I wrote and rewrote POCs just to validate that Clojure is as fast as the number say, and that Scala is faster than Java, etc.

zerni• 13 years ago

Scala really would have been nice. Especially a Scala/Akka/Spray kombo :)

I'm working with a setup like this and just love it!

smrtinsert• 13 years ago

Dropwizard looks awesome, just the kind of project I've been looking for, also it links to JDBI which is very similar to a sql lib I maintained for myself all these years and looks awesome. Thanks for posting!

lennydizzy2• 13 years ago

Would you consider releasing some of the benchmark code/setup? (better yet integrated into OP's project) I am very interested in seeing clojure's performance. What kind of framework did you use for clojure?

wldlyinaccurate2• 13 years ago

Cake was an interesting choice for a PHP framework to test. I wonder why they didn't choose Symfony, which is arguably the leading PHP framework.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

It was simply what we have seen most often in our experience. We've got Zend as a next target for PHP frameworks. We can also put Symfony on the list.

We'd also love to have anyone who has production experience with those to contribute a test for them. The test should be fairly quick to write.

asadkn3• 13 years ago

Symfony and Zend might perform even worse. At least Zend's bootstrapping is even heavier. The sheer number of files that have to be loaded from disk on each hit is appalling. Hence I mentioned in another comment the opcode cache (ex. APC) requirement and how every serious PHP app utilizes it.

jasonhanley• 13 years ago

Zend and Symfony are probably the leading OO MVC frameworks for PHP.

I'd also like to see a "light" framework meant for building APIs, like Slim, for instance.

wldlyinaccurate2• 13 years ago

Yes, I'd definitely like to see Slim tested as a light framework. People keep mentioning Silex as a "light" framework, but I've found it to be almost as heavy as Symfony2 (which isn't much of a surprise considering it's just Symfony2 components strapped together).

donebizkit• 13 years ago

Very useful info. Thanks for sharing.

goodwink17• 13 years ago

One of the most interesting things this comparison brings out to me is not so much the differences between the various frameworks (although the differences between options on the same platform is definitely very useful information), but also the issue that few of us seem to think about these days: the cost of any of the frameworks above the bare standard library of the platform its hosted on.

Theres a consistant, considerable gap between their "raw" benchmarks (things like netty, node, plain php, etc.) and frameworks hosted on those same platforms. I think this is something we should keep in mind when we're tuning performance-sensitive portions of APIs and the like. We may actually need to revisit our framework choice and implement selected portions outside of it (just like ruby developers sometimes write performance-critical pieces of gems in C etc.) or optimize the framework further.

I'd like to crunch these numbers further to get a "framework optimization index" which would be the percentage slowdown or ratio of performance between the host platform and the performance of the framework on top of it. I might do this later if I get a chance.

jondot4• 13 years ago

I think this is a much needed and excellent point to make. Just take a look at how Go dips down when using Webgo.

goodwink17• 13 years ago

I think Go is almost the ideal example here, you're right. Go provides a pretty rich "standard library" for writing web serving stuff so it's a good place where you could really imagine writing your performance critical stuff just on the base platform even if you use something like Webgo for the rest of your app.

Some of the other platforms are much less amenable to that since the standard primitives the platform exposes are very primitive indeed (servlets api, rack api, etc.). Perhaps there's some value in looking at how your favorite framework stacks up against its raw platform and trying to contribute some optimizations to close the gap a bit.

voidlogic6• 13 years ago

Webgo... I'll stick with "net/http" and Gorilla thanks.

Also, They used Go 1.0.3... I hope they update to 1.1 next month. Most everyone using Go for intensive production uses is using Go tip (which is the branch due to become 1.1 RC next month)

grey-area4• 13 years ago

I'm curious about that - because there's so little to webgo I suspect the answer is something really trivial. I haven't really looked at it before, but the framework itself is just 500 lines or so unless I'm looking at the wrong one...

Given that the json marshalling and server components would be exactly the same between go and webgo, I'm curious as to whether changing the url recognised to be just /json in the goweb tests would make any difference, any reason it was different?

bilbo0s4• 13 years ago

I'm not sure many people would use webgo in real life. I don't know... maybe some people... certainly not pros.

Also, the 1.0.3 thing is probably dragging on the numbers a bit. 1.1 would boost it a little. Not enough to get it into the top tier... but a little.

Also, for Vert.x, they seem to be only running one verticle. Which would never happen in real life.

Play could be optimized a bit... but not much. What they have is, to my mind, a fair ranking for it.

Small issues with a few of the others but nothing major. I think Go and Vert.x are the ones that would get the biggest jumps if experts looked at them. And let's be frank... does Vert.x really need a jump?

So what they have here is pretty accurate... I mean... just based on looking through the code. But Go might fare better if it used tip. And Vert.x would DEFINITELY fair better with proper worker-nonworker verticles running.

bradrydzewski2• 13 years ago

I used Go's benchmarking tool to compare raw routing performance of various frameworks. The handlers all return a simple "Hello World" string. Here are the results:

  PASS
  Benchmark_Routes           100000	     13945 ns/op
  Benchmark_Pat              500000	      6068 ns/op
  Benchmark_GorillaHandler   200000	     11042 ns/op
  Benchmark_Webgo            100000	     26350 ns/op
  ok  	github.com/bradrydzewski/routes/bench	12.605s

I then ran the same benchmark, but this time I modified the handler to serialize a struct to JSON and write to the response. Here are the results:

  Benchmark_Routes              100000	     21446 ns/op
  Benchmark_Pat                 100000	     14130 ns/op
  Benchmark_GorillaHandler      100000	     17735 ns/op
  Benchmark_Webgo                50000	     33726 ns/op
  ok  	github.com/bradrydzewski/routes/bench	9.805s

In the first test, Pat is almost twice as a fast as the Gorilla framework. In the second test, when we added a bit more logic to the handler (marshaling a struct to JSON), Pat was only about 18% faster than Gorilla. In fact, it turns out it takes longer to serialize to JSON (8000ns) than it does for Pat to route and serve the request (6000ns).

Now, imagine I created a third benchmark that did something more complex, like executing a database query and serving the results using the html/template package. There would be a negligible difference in performance across frameworks because routing is not going to be your bottleneck.

I would personally choose my framework not just based on performance, but also based on productivity. One that can help me write code that is easier to test and easier to maintain in the long run.

cacois• 13 years ago

I'd love to see your framework optimization index. Honestly, all of this would be a wonderful thing to automate and put in a web app - a readily-accessible, up-to-date measure of the current performance of the state of the art in languages and frameworks. I bet it would really change some of the technology choices made.

goodwink17• 13 years ago

Here's a quick version of the framework optimization index. Higher is better (ratio of framework performance to raw platform performance, multiplied by 100 for scale):

Framework Framework Index

Gemini 87.88

Vert.x 76.29

Express 68.85

Sinatra-Ruby 67.88

WebGo 51.08

Compojure 45.69

Rails-Ruby 31.75

Wicket 29.33

Rails-Jruby 20.09

Play 18.02

Sinatra-Jruby 15.96

Tapestry 13.57

Spring 13.48

Grails 7.11

Cake 1.17

marcamillion• 13 years ago

Not quite sure I understand your point re: the cost of the frameworks, above the bare standard library.

Do you mind breaking it down for me a bit please?

Cost in dollars or cost in hardware utilization or some other cost?

goodwink17• 13 years ago

If you have developers who for one reason or another prefer a given platform, then the most important performance comparisons are about how close various frameworks on that platform get to the performance of the platform itself.

Knowing how much I'm giving up in performance in order to get the features a given framework gives me is an important consideration. Also understanding when it's worthwhile to work outside the framework on the bare platform given the speedup I'll get versus the cost I'll incur by doing so is a very important optimization decision-making tool.

atonse• 13 years ago

I'm torn about this. On the one hand, while I've known my framework of choice (Rails) is slow, I didn't know how much slower it could be in the grand scheme of things. But on the other hand, I'm more shocked by the difference between EC2 and dedicated hardware (10x improvement with rails), and even 89 requests per second (20 query benchmark on EC2) is still a decent amount of traffic. (Plus this doesn't count any optimizations I would make anyway, like caching).

Either way good architectures usually optimize the high traffic or high CPU areas anyway away from a scripted language.

Thanks for the really informative post! Go seems to be a good balance as a high performance language without having to go back to my traumatic Java days.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Thanks for the feedback, atonse! We had a great amount of fun putting this together, as you can imagine.

I agree, a remarkable take-away for us was how dramatically our i7s excelled over the EC2 instances. Admittedly, those were EC2 Large and not Extra Large instances.

A previous draft of this blog entry had a long-winded analysis of hosting costs--discussing the balance between ease and peace-of-mind provided by something like AWS versus the raw performance of owned hardware--but we elected to remove that since it wasn't really the point of the exercise.

goodwink17• 13 years ago

Were these the new 2nd-generation large instances or the original ones?

jondot4• 13 years ago

Don't be too disappointed about Rails.

As a rule I like to divide this world into "Featureless" and "Featurefull" products.

When you use Rails, you're aiming to pile up features. You want to react to Product managers, to users, you want to work fast and satisfy the needs of customers - or else you won't have anyone to build to.

In this reality, the fact that you're doing 20req/s is OK. In fact, I'm betting that even when you take Go or Node.js - pile up all of the infrastructure and features that exist in Rails, and pile up a ton of your code - buggy and not buggy - you'll get around the same kind of satisfaction index from users.

This is because your product can be perceived as slow even though your servers are blazingly fast.

On the other side of the spectrum there are "Featureless" products. These are infrastructural products. A logging service. An analytics service. A full-text search. A classification and recommendation engine.

These you don't want to build in Rails. I'm sure you haven't even considered it. These you want to build with one of the top-notch libraries that this survey indicate.

film42• 13 years ago

Also, there are certain features about rails like thin or unicorn that can drastically increase your overall performance. So in that sense, I think it's a lot more complicated to determine.

pfalls9• 13 years ago

EC2 was a hard platform to test on, only because our i7 hardware would give us results fairly instantaneously, but we became impatient when we had to wait upwards of 10x as long for the data on the EC2 large instances.

We're actually very interested in how the large/newer instances perform.

saraid216• 13 years ago

I feel obliged to ask what constitutes 10x of instantaneous.

gruseom• 13 years ago

It would be very interesting to see OpenResty (Nginx + Lua) in there, since it's so different from other approaches.

xt• 13 years ago

I would love to see Openresty tested, for simple json and databases Openresty is a magnificent tool.

ajacksified• 13 years ago

Agreed! Especially built with luajit.

adad952• 13 years ago

I Will love to see dotNet (C#) incluid in this test. Asp.Net WebAPI (Synchronous and Asycnhrounous) Asp.Net MVC (Synchronous and Asycnhrounous) Asp.Net HTTP Handlers (Synchronous and Asycnhrounous)

Throwadev• 13 years ago

Also ServiceStack vs ASP.NET MVC vs NancyFX vs Fubu, Mono vs IIS/windows, default serializer vs JSON.NET vs ServiceStack's, etc. There are tons of variations that could be done.

platz• 13 years ago

ServiceStack vs WCF would probably be a more apt comparison, but I suppose there are people using SerivceStack for web apps as well.

mythz2• 13 years ago

Here's a fairly recent end-to-end ServiceStack vs WebApi benchmark: https://twitter.com/anilmujagic/status/272544925478973440

    ServiceStack      9615ms
    WebApi           30607ms

GitHub project for benchmarks used: https://github.com/anilmujagic/ServiceBenchmark

eCa• 13 years ago

Would love to see how modern Perl frameworks (Mojolicious/Dancer) ranks in such a test.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Interesting thought. Would you be able to put together a test for one of those? pfalls can give you the details for how we expect the test for a new framework to work.

singingfish• 13 years ago

Catalyst too please.

ryanslade• 13 years ago

Why are there no Go results for the DB access benchmarks?

laumars2• 13 years ago

I'd be interested to know this as well. I can understand time constraints in compiling these kind of comparisons, but as I'm about to embark on a web project in Go, I'd be interested to know if there was any technical constraints that prevented benchmarking Go.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We recognize that deficiency and we do aim to add database tests for Go. If you could quickly draft that up and submit a pull request, we'd love to add it.

neya5• 13 years ago

How about Lift? Btw, the play framework you tested is Java or Scala based?

Either way, I'm shocked to see Play perform so slow comparatively. Although it's easily 10x faster than rails on most tests, I'm shocked to see Node.js faster than Play! (by 2x in most cases) Wow!!

Maybe Node.js critics should start appreciating it after all..

kainsavage6• 13 years ago

It is probably worth noting that while we strive to make the tests as fair as possible, we followed the official tutorials for each framework when building out the tests but we fully expect there to be small instances where minor tweaks improve a given test. Given that I am no Play expert, it would be of great value to have one who is (and it sounds like you could lend a hand there) to check out the code on the github page. If we did anything wrong with the setup or in general, we would rerun the tests. Again, we followed all the official 'getting started' posts for each framework, so we believe we have best practices used.

Disclaimer: I am a colleague of the author of the linked article.

jholla143• 13 years ago

The problem is that the database queries were done in a blocking fashion. The test essentially blocks the main event loop which is of course going to kill performance.

mark2422• 13 years ago

There are a few problems with your Play code that are causing it to be unnecessarily slow.

First-- what you're really testing here is the Jackson library. A majority of the cycles used in your application are being burned in that toJson call of an array of objects. This isn't a fair test compared to the servlet implementation because you're calling Jackson against a map in the Play example, versus against a simple String in the servlet example.

Second-- you are running database calls serially, and those are blocking. Considering that you're using the more-or-less default Play/Akka configuration, there are only enough threads as you have available processor cores. I would start by increasing the parallelism-factor and parallelism-max to be higher, so you'll have more available threads. More importantly though, the database access should be wrapped in a Future, and you should be returning asynchronously. This should speed up the application by a huge amount.

akg• 13 years ago

Would love to see how these results compare to some of the web frameworks for concurrent functional languages like Erlang/Haskell: Nitrogen, Chicago Boss, Snap, Yesod, etc.

pilgrim6892• 13 years ago

ditto. I hear Warp (the server behind Yesod) is a beast.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

I'm not familiar with Warp. Would one of you guys be willing to help us put together a test for Yesod?

lorddamien• 13 years ago

Right, where is Zotonic??, which is actually focused on speed/performance

chrisdone5• 13 years ago

Please don't encourage them. Even if Haskell comes out on top, I would still be unsatisfied because the rest of the benchmarks are unfair. Lies by confusion are still lies.

obsurvey• 13 years ago

If I wanted to return a bunch of _ids from a mongo database i would do a _id:$in[array of ObjectIDs] and then stream the resulting cursor to res. Streams are core to node. You should use them.

jtreminio2• 13 years ago

I would love to contribute a code for a specific PHP framework: Silex. Do you have requirements you'd like to hit?

bhauer44• 13 years ago

That would be fantastic. Get in touch with pfalls on Github and he can give you the information. It's fairly simple.

wyck• 13 years ago

+1 this would be interesting given that there are a lot of PHP frameworks besides cake, namely.

Silex/Symfony2

Yii

Zend

Kohana

Fuel

Laravel

vph• 13 years ago

This seems to be a nice benchmark. For the Python group, I would suggest two things: (1) include a lightweight framework like Bottle, and (2) Try pypy.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Thanks. Agreed, we'd love to get a Python micro-framework in the test. If you have some free time and feel like putting together a test for Bottle as a Github pull request, we'd really appreciate that.

apendleton• 13 years ago

I'd be curious about a gevent-worker-driven server, too. Presumably they're running Django on either a thread- or processor-driven concurrency server, and gevent can show some pretty major gains. You could also do permutations of these: gevent on pypy (using pypycore), etc.

est• 13 years ago

(3) use bjoern

seriously, in my rough helloworld and sqlite value increment by 1 benchmark, Bjoern+wsgi app runs 2x as fast than nodejs.

sergiotapia3• 13 years ago

Where is ASP.Net MVC? Odd that you list obscure frameworks like Wicket and leave out one of The Big Four frameworks.

(The big four in my book are: ASP.Net MVC, Rails, Django and CakePHP)

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We'd love to have ASP.Net MVC included. One minor gotcha is that to do it justice, we'd need to spin up a Windows EC2 instance and figure out how to script that. It's on our to-do list!

We did briefly test ASP.Net on Mono (see another comment in this thread) but didn't include it since we didn't believe that qualifies as a "production" grade ASP.Net MVC deployment.

voidlogic6• 13 years ago

You should include it; Lots of shops are deploying their products on .NET MVC with Mono.

sakopov• 13 years ago

Just use AppHarbor.

Revex2• 13 years ago

I came here to say this. I don't understand why some of the development community likes to act like .Net doesn't exist....

It pains me to see charts and reporting done like this while leaving out my favorite framework.

pekk9• 13 years ago

Since these benchmarks are so wide-ranging, I agree. But that means setting up an entire new testbed on Windows, and then trying to make it comparable to the other platform testbed; possibly tuning. You need a Windows expert to do this. My question is, why aren't Windows experts setting these up?

radicalbyte• 13 years ago

If you can cover ASP.Net MVC, then I'd recommend including ServiceStack. My own tests of their JSON implementation have shown it to be 5-10x faster than ASP.net MVC.

Drop me a line if you need a hand with either :)

jasonlotito• 13 years ago

Just curious, but is CakePHP seen as a major framework by people outside the PHP Community?

krzyk• 13 years ago

Big four without any Java framework, but with .Net one? And CakePHP as a major one, I wasn't aware it's still used.

bioinfo• 13 years ago

I think this benchmark is not that useful.

If you seriously thought that the difference between a netty and django would be 4 times then you simply don't understand what these frameworks do in the first place.

I would have guessed something like less than 100 times slower and that would have been still fine since the cost of all kinds of latencies in the system usually far outweigh the speed of the framework itself.

chasing2• 13 years ago

What's the difference between "php" and "php-raw" in some of the data? Maybe I'm still in my morning fog, but having trouble thinking of what "php-raw" might mean. Sigh.

jtreminio2• 13 years ago

The code says php-raw refers to using PDO (which all project should be using) vs using an ORM or ActiveRecord.

I am completely stunned by the performance cost of using ORM/AR, and will be using this to shame our team lead into giving it up and going for raw queries.

chasing2• 13 years ago

Gotcha. Thanks!

datasage• 13 years ago

Some of the ORM cost can be mitigated by using caching. In most cases this is essential in a production deployment.

gaoshan• 13 years ago

Important to note that OP doesn't mention using APC with this, something that any production code would be using in a real world case. This would have an impact on the numbers he uses and on the diff we are seeing.

mgkimsal• 13 years ago

Don't be so hasty. As others pointed out, caching often plays a factor on larger projects. A degree of portability provided by ORMs is nice (test mode hits SQLite, prod is pg or mysql, etc). Also, the readability of ORM-oriented code shouldn't be overlooked, especially as new people come in to the team. Two or three expressive lines in ORM vs 15-20 of nested SQL hitting weird tables names and aliased column names and such isn't easy to decipher the intent of (especially when there's a problem).

I typically use ORM for about 95% of a project, falling back to a few explicitly native SQL calls when performance can be shown to be a bottleneck in those locations.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Hi Chasing. We put a note about that suffix in the "Environment Details" section. The "raw" suffix means there is no ORM used. If there is no "raw" suffix, you can assume some type of ORM is used.

meritt• 13 years ago

FYI on the PHP-DB-Raw approach: https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

By default, PDO does not do true prepare()s, it just does string interpolation. You need to pass this parameter with the options:

    PDO::ATTR_EMULATE_PREPARES => false

And then you'll actually be using MySQL prepared statements. You'll see a noticeable performance improvement for large amounts of queries.

bradleyland4• 13 years ago

The best way to understand it is to look at the source:

php - https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

php-raw - https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

For "php", they used an ORM. For php-raw they used the stdlib (pdo).

grannyg00se• 13 years ago

Probably not a major factor but I'm curious to know why mongoose was thrown into the mix for the node.js test rather than going with the native mongo driver.

It might be more of a real world test to include mongoose with the node+express test, but for the node-only test the native driver might be more appropriate.

pfalls9• 13 years ago

We wanted to use an ORM in all cases, it was only recently that we started working on native mysql access. We hope to add native mongodb results as well.

codegeek• 13 years ago

Nothing for Flask ?

stevenleeg• 13 years ago

Yeah I was disappointed to see a lack of flash as well, especially since it advertises itself as a microframework and all.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We received a Github pull request with a Flask test! So we'll aim to include that in a follow up post soon.

neya5• 13 years ago

Thank you for such an informative comparison. You've helped shed light beyond the frameworks that are known to most of us - Ruby on Rails, Node.js, Django, Express, etc...

Thanks again! :)

rombdn2• 13 years ago

Very interesting! But isn't there a disavantage for node.js considering it's single threaded? Did you cluster it to use every core on the box ? (http://stackoverflow.com/a/8685968/1909827 - "Scaling throughput on a webservice")

saym2• 13 years ago

From the OP's response to a similar question:

>We attempted to take advantage of threading/multiple-processes as best we could (see the nodejs code for an example of using the cluster module). But we suspect there are additional areas of improvement here.

rombdn2• 13 years ago

Thanks

desireco42• 13 years ago

What I can take from this is that when you use ORM, it slows things down considerably. Also, looking at rails example, you didn't use active record, which is really wrong.

I think you should tweak your tests to use more real world like examples. I realize it would be hard to do this across frameworks.

Like let's have a database query pull user record from 100,000 users by username. And maybe do md5 on password.

niteshade• 13 years ago

Can't believe you didn't include Zend in there :(

craigching• 13 years ago

Just read this above:

"We've got Zend as a next target for PHP frameworks."

systematical2• 13 years ago

These are some brutal results for CakePHP (which I use). However, in practice no intermediate developer would be issuing queries like that in a loop. They would loop through a set of data, building a IN statement example: WHERE field IN ('x','y','z'). Thus only sending a single query to the database. Still, the Cake developers really need to improve the speed of their framework.

pekk9• 13 years ago

I keep seeing numbers like this in benchmarks over the last few years, it would be great to see CakePHP's numbers "rehabilitated" using techniques like you discuss.

systematical2• 13 years ago

It's a fair way of testing, its just not the way a developer would write it in practice. Clearly disregards the "Big O".

slashclee• 13 years ago

Send a pull request, then.

pekk9• 13 years ago

Numerous irregularities plus a strong vested interest in the JVM make me doubt they have given adequate shrift to Go, here.

Given the amount of interest in Haskell and Yesod around here, it is strange that it is missing.

goodwink17• 13 years ago

Could you elaborate? Their website seems to indicate that they are a very polyglot shop, not someone pushing a JVM agenda:

"On the back-end, we use Java, Ruby, Python, .NET, PHP and others based on what makes sense balancing server performance, scalability, hosting costs, development efficiency, and your internal development team's capabilities."

pekk9• 13 years ago

"We have included our in-house Java web framework, Gemini, in our tests. ... "

Then you see results for some languages that are completely out of whack with most other such benchmarks (they themselves mention the weirdness of Sinatra vs. Rails, for example).

Then you see on a couple platforms that more performant mainstream options have been excluded, for no good reason.

Then if you look at the repo, there are deployment choices and code mistakes in some of the other languages which go well beyond elementary incompetence...

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We love Go here! But admittedly, we have not yet deployed an actual Go web application to a production environment, so the tests demonstrate our first attempt at creating a Go production environment. We based the approach on whatever material we could find on Go reference sites.

That said, we'd love to hear what we did wrong in the Go tests so that we can fix those up.

We'll be posting follow ups as we've had a chance to go through all the recommended tweaks.

papsosouid6• 13 years ago

>Given the amount of interest in Haskell

I see more people making uninformed "haskell sucks" posts than expressing interest in it.

>and Yesod

Really? Yesod is the anti-haskell haskell framework.

markokocic• 13 years ago

> Really? Yesod is the anti-haskell haskell framework.

Can you please elaborate. Being interested in Haskel web development and trying to choose web framework makes me wish for more information.

pekk9• 13 years ago

You and tikhonj are all over the place in here. If you were being downvoted into the gray, you would know. There is no shortage of people praising Haskell every day, this is what is in fashion today.

There are also regular posts about Yesod.

I conclude that you know perfectly well that Haskell and Yesod are regularly mentioned on HN, but find it inconvenient to have mentioned for some reason I do not fathom.

chrisdone5• 13 years ago

I hope no one contributes a Haskell solution to this farce.

waxjar2• 13 years ago

Im surprised to see that Sinatra on JRuby often performs worse than Sinatra on MRI, while Rack on the other hand performs much better.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We were surprised by the sinatra-jruby tests as well. If you read our "expected questions" section, it's not clear to us why Sinatra's performance on JRuby was weak. We'd love to hear from a JRuby expert about how to address Sinatra's "wrong" looking numbers.

waxjar2• 13 years ago

Having had a look at the Gemfiles, it might be the choice of HTTP server used. I believe defaults to WEBrick, if no other server is present and I believe WEBrick is single-threaded.

I don't have any experience with JRuby, but this might be a possibility.

ssmoot• 13 years ago

Maybe the web-server choice (I didn't look to see what that was). But last I looked at it, the Sinatra router really is very naive/awful.

For the size of the framework, that may be the right choice ultimately.

On the other end of the spectrum is Rails, who've written their own Regexp engine for routing basically. It seems to be generally quite a bit faster.

All major Ruby frameworks have just awful routers though really.

headius• 13 years ago

Yeah, the Sinatra numbers really ought to be more in line with the straight Rack numbers. Something's amiss.

Glad to see that on Rack, where I'd expect us to be fast...we are doing ok. On par with PHP (not a big thing to brag about, perhaps) and Play (worth bragging about, since it's Java/Scala end to end).

Obviously there's more work needed not just in JRuby but in the servers that server it and the frameworks that run on it. The slow performance of Rails here, for example, is largely Rails' fault.

But yeah...the sinatra numbers are wack.

saym2• 13 years ago

What I'd love to see paired with this data is a cost comparison. At what scale does performance of ruby/python/php become cost prohibitive? Twitter made the move from Ruby to Java some years back, did they ever post a comparison of their numbers before and after?

Also, the difference between EC2 and local i7 hardware is glaringly obvious. At what scale does owning the server hardware become imperative?

I know these questions are beyond the scope of a performance review, but inquiring minds would like to know.

kainsavage6• 13 years ago

Actually, we had an early revision of the benchmark tests that had exactly that analysis, but we really felt it is a very interesting subject that deserves more focus.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

As you might imagine, during this exercise, we've had a lot of conversations about the points you raise. We have our own opinions, but we ultimately removed most of that content from the blog post because we didn't want it to be too editorial. We will be posting follow ups with some of our opinions.

Some things are really difficult to answer in a vacuum. If you already have a competent devops staff, hosting your own hardware is probably beneficial. The increased performance per "server" is substantial. But no devops staff? Then it's either very risky or cost-prohibitive to own hardware.

ochoseis• 13 years ago

I too was shocked at the deltas between Amazon and dedicated hardware. I think AWS runs on Xen, so I wonder if you could strike a more optimal performance/flexibility balance using lighter virtualization (LXC or OpenVZ) with either in-house hardware or another VPS provider.

Joeri3• 13 years ago

Since amazon always takes a cut it stands to reason that if you can fully load a server on a continuous basis, owning s cheaper than renting, regardless of how efficient EC2 is. You should only rent the peak load, not the base load.

knappador4• 13 years ago

Utter crap.

"Sadly Django provides no connection pooling and in fact closes and re-opens a connection for every request. All the other tests use pooling."

But it's free, open-source software and we provide asynchronous database connection pooling for Postgres SQL:

https://github.com/iiilx/django-psycopg2-pool

andybak• 13 years ago

Your comment is valid and would have been vastly improved without the first two words.

knappador4• 13 years ago

I'll elaborate on the first two words:

They're shilling for their company with a config and tools I wouldn't be caught dead using. No idea what other craziness lurks in the other daemon configs. It's irresponsible and misleading. They're misrepresenting the framework I use to do my work and probably others while hoping I or someone else is going to do their work for them. "Outsourced CTO services?" Their trash. My lawn.

Someone's going to eventually ask me to develop the rest of xyz in node and I'll have to repeat myself about articles like this. Bad enough when it's bloggers. Worse when it's self-shilling company that's obviously not willing to put the time in to be what they claim to offer.

rozap2• 13 years ago

Obviously if they optimized each and every one of these benchmarks we would see different results, but it would take a massive amount of time to learn the ins and outs of each framework to the point where you can do so effectively.

For one person do a benchmark over this many samples, they have to just go with the out of the box setup for each.

kainsavage6• 13 years ago

This is really the point.

As our blog post suggests, where we are not experts we had to rely on the tutorials provided by each framework's authors to build a test setup. If a specific framework seems low on the list, it could be due to the fact that the best practices guides we found for getting set up were not correctly configured for production use.

Draw what conclusions you would like from this statement, but we did aim to be as fair and unbiased as possible.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We aim to do Postgres testing soon. As you can imagine, the feedback from this has been awesome. Looking forward to seeing Django on Postgres.

corford• 13 years ago

Great to hear you're planning to do some Postgres benchmarks!

To improve fairness, you might want to consider using pgbouncer (setup to only offer simple session pooling) in between the Postgres db and any framework that doesn't have internal support for connection pooling.

E.g. I'd love to see how Flask performs using just the psycopg2 driver (i.e. raw db access, no ORM) and pgbouncer to handle the pooling.

dthakur• 13 years ago

Could you kindly add error bars to your test results?

thatthatis• 13 years ago

A few additions/tweaks that would be great to see:

1) Add a raw http test -- no template compilation or html, just return "OK". Would give a relative idea of the cost to "just turn the thing on"

2) Don't json encode after the database tests. By json encoding you're doing two things but saying you're only testing one.

I come from the python/django world, and I know that different python json packages have orders of magnitude differences in their performance. From that I can infer that there are probably similar or greater cross-language differences -- I suspect node.js having json as a native object type helps immensely.

33degrees• 13 years ago

I'd be curious to see how ruby fares using a setup other than apache + passenger; I have a feeling that nginx with unicorn or puma would provide better results, and might give it a go when I have a bit more time.

eweise• 13 years ago

Was Play 1 or Play 2 tested? I thought Play ran on Netty so I'm surprised it didn't fair better.

jfim• 13 years ago

They're using Play 2.1 with Java, without using futures for database queries. Not sure how representative of real usage that would be, though.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We've got a bunch of feedback that the Play database test needs to be asynchronous, so we'll make that a priority for our next run. Perhaps I can entice you to submit a pull request to improve the Play configuration?

abalone5• 13 years ago

But the JSON test was 7X slower too.

bhanks• 13 years ago

I guess it is a good thing we are finally migrating away from Cake :/

jfarmer• 13 years ago

What would be much more interesting than "peak responses per second," which is a weird metric to begin with, is the actual histogram of sampled throughputs. Or at the very least a box-and-whisker plot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box_plot).

Most folks who have run Rails at scale, for example, find that the untuned garbage collector in MRI (Ruby's default interpreter) introduces a large amount of variance, for example.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

We don't have a box plot, but we have line charts for all of the data (performance at multiple client concurrency levels). Just click the "All samples (line chart)" tab on the data panels.

(Note that the very first data panel in the intro is an image and doesn't have tabs.)

cridenour• 13 years ago

I'm curious to see Django results when using the gevent worker for gunicorn. For these type of quick JSON calls, you can see huge performance increases.

jaddison• 13 years ago

Along with gevent, it would be good to throw in psycogreen to improve DB (well, postgresql) evented connections.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

It looks as if we've got a Github pull request including these changes, so we'll be able to revise the Python-Django numbers soon.

xal• 13 years ago

What kind of server did you guys use for your rails test? Thin, Puma, Unicorn? Are you sure you ran it in production environment?

Update:

Looks like passenger in development mode. Good job you benchmarked a web server that no one uses wile reloading all code between requests.

Update2:

Ok it seems to run in production mode but still, passenger is not an idiomatic choice.

daenz• 13 years ago

I'm not familiar with Rails. Could you explain what you mean in layman terms? Why is code being reloaded on every request by default?

matt_yoho• 13 years ago

The Rails framework is written to reload (reevaluate) most application code between requests in development mode, so that changes during active dev are reflected. This is not the (default) behavior in production.

pmahoney2• 13 years ago

In development mode, it's nice to be able edit ruby code, then hit reload in the browser to see it in action without restarting the whole app. Sure there are other ways to accomplish this, but reloading code is typically how it's done in Ruby.

awj2• 13 years ago

In development mode Rails will reload code on each request to pick up on changes you have made to your application. That way you can interact with the application to help verify that your code is working properly.

As of Rails 3.2 development mode watches for file changes and attempts to only reload those files, but it's still a significant performance issue.

By default all Rails applications start in development mode, so one gotcha of benchmarking Rails is that some people will forget to set the mode correctly. That said, from the setup code[1] (line 14) it looks like they were running passenger in production mode. The max pool size seems excessive, especially when running on large ec2 instances, but I'm not fully convinced that it's out of line.

[1] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

pmahoney2• 13 years ago

For the sake of curiosity, I happen to have recently done a benchmark of a "hello world" rack app (literally just responds "hello world" to every request) on a number of Ruby servers (mostly JRuby, but also Puma on MRI).

They were all run in production mode with logging disabled, etc.

http://polycrystal.org/~pat/scratch/microbenchmark.png

Note that a difference from 10k requests per second seems huge compared to 3k, but if you invert it, you get 100 and 333 micro seconds per request, respectively. In a real, non-"hello world" app, these differences are going to be negligible.

Though perhaps it would be more interesting if instead of just responding "hello, world", the app parsed some query parameters or something. But I was mostly interested in the overhead of different JRuby servers, not comparing different app servers (i.e. overhead from Sinatra should be more or less identical whether you're on Puma, Trinidad, or whatever).

kbd• 13 years ago

Sheesh, you can clearly see the GC pauses in the Java versions.

aliston• 13 years ago

If that's true, it's not really a fair comparison. Running in development mode slows things considerably. They do have a question in the FAQ about that point:

"You configured framework x incorrectly, and that explains the numbers you're seeing." Whoops! Please let us know how we can fix it, or submit a Github pull request, so we can get it right."

Perhaps you/we should submit a pull request?

pfalls9• 13 years ago

We used Phusion Passenger, although we have plans to add additional servers (such as Unicorn). We tried to spend time with various server choices for all platforms, and for ruby, in our short test, Passenger won out against the others.

Our understanding is that when running Passenger, simply passing '-e production' to the command line is sufficient to run in production, but if that's incorrect, we'll gladly update the test.

cheald• 13 years ago

Please make sure you're setting higher GC limits for the Ruby tests. Ruby's defaults are awful for a framework, and result in a LOT of GC thrash. It's not uncommon to see an order of magnitude improvement in performance when they're tuned properly. (edit: I'll just send a pull request, I found the setup file!)

Something else you might consider is the OJ gem rather than just the stock Ruby json gem. The latter is notoriously slow and memory-hungry (which will compound the GC issues!)

awj2• 13 years ago

This (from [1]) looks like passenger in production mode to me.

> rvm ruby-2.0.0-p0 do bundle exec passenger start -p 8080 -d -e production --pid-file=$HOME/FrameworkBenchmarks/rails/rails.pid --nginx-version=1.2.7 --max-pool-size=24

https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast...

Groxx• 13 years ago

Are you sure? This looks like the right file to me, and it says '-e production', last changed 6 days ago: https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/blob/mast... (unless that's an incorrect switch / something else overrides it - I haven't tried it, not too familiar with Passenger)

goodwink17• 13 years ago

Passenger wouldn't be my choice personally, but I don't think there's anything non "idiomatic" about it. Engine Yard, Cloud 66, etc. use passenger in their PaaS configs, it's been very popular (on the wane now, but still), etc. It seems fair enough and the differences aren't going to be the sort of order of magnitude change which would really matter on this sort of thing regardless.

adrr• 13 years ago

Pretty sure passenger+nginx configuration is the most common rails deployment. Not the fastest but most common much like apache is the most common web server for php.

olegp• 13 years ago

What I've also found is that Node (V8) tends to have much higher variance in response times when compared to Java Servlets (JVM): https://github.com/olegp/common-node#benchmarks

tnash• 13 years ago

This is exactly why I decided to use PHP for my startup. I have something along these lines that I hope to blog about in the coming weeks (I tested php-fpm on nginx/go/node.js/silk.js and php won by a landslide when it came to speed).

I would love to see php-fpm on nginx included in this test.

TylerE• 13 years ago

The problem with php is that it looks great on (some) micro-benchmarks, but on real apps under real sustained load it certainly turns to cold dog shit from time to time for no apparent reason.

xd• 13 years ago

What are you basing this on? I've been using PHP for well over a decade in high load environments and never experienced it turn "to cold dog shit" .. any issues I have experienced had a good reason, not "no apparent reason".

But then, I've never used a PHP framework in all the time I've used it .. maybe that has something to do with me never having had negative issue with PHP.

snaky• 13 years ago

When it comes to speed, considering you are using nginx, the way to go is using nginx as an app server not just fastcgi frontend. Lua-nginx-module combined with proper database module (async with connection pool support like ngx_drizzle or ngx_postgres) can give you speed. OpenResty provides the simplified preconfigured way to try it and adds some features too. http://agentzh.org/misc/slides/libdrizzle-lua-nginx

saosebastiao2• 13 years ago

This is super awesome. I wish Yesod/Warp was available though :)

raphaelj• 13 years ago

I've just send a pull request[1] with an Yesod implementation.

It runs pretty well, scoring similar to webgo for the JSON pong benchmark, is almost at the same level as grails for the 1 query benchmark and is slightly faster that Play for the last benchmark.

So, Yesod is in the same performance gap as Play or Grails, and is 3~4x faster that Django or Rails.

But I've tested those on a mono-core Virtual Box, and I know Yesod scales pretty well on a multi-threaded environment.

Also, keep in mind that most of the top performing frameworks are not fully featured web framework but asynchronous I/O libraries (netty, go, nodejs, vertx, ...) which implementations just write mindlessly the raw response directly on the socket whatever the HTTP request was.

[1] https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/pull/39

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Thanks, Raphaelj! Pat (pfalls) will be in touch if he has any questions. Really appreciate the contribution!

hnriot• 13 years ago

haha, all those hipster developers using rails can now eat the php guys shorts :)

Seriously though, this isn't news to anyone that does this professionally. The further up the abstraction curve you climb, the less performant the code will be. Ease of development vs run-time performance.

oneeyedpigeon• 13 years ago

Exactly. And since human time is much more expensive than CPU time, very few people are writing their web apps in machine code.

codenerdz• 13 years ago

One glaring ommision: DOS on Dope [1]

[1] http://dod.codeplex.com/

shanelja• 13 years ago

I'm most surprised that PHP seems to be around an order of magnitude faster than Ruby on Rails, I knew it was faster, but didn't think it would be that much.

justinsteele• 13 years ago

The comparison would be php-raw vs ruby. The actual "php" benchmark did just as poorly as rails.

vanderZwan2• 13 years ago

"Among the many factors to consider when choosing a web development framework, raw performance is easy to objectively measure."

Oh really? Then why did Zed write such an angry rant about how you are doing it wrong?

http://zedshaw.com/essays/programmer_stats.html

Can we please see some standard deviations, at least?

k__3• 13 years ago

What's wrong with that guy?

vanderZwan2• 13 years ago

It's a pretty serious problem with how we benchmark though.

EDIT: when looking up what I vaguely remembered I somehow managed to come across a similar article that was published just today[1], even though I was referring to an older one[2] which was about microstuttering (basically: a high standard deviation in frame rate). The point still stands - in fact it applies to both cases in somewhat different ways.

To give an example: Crossfire and SLI graphics card setups a few years ago[1]. It turned out that while both gave a similar performance increase in average framerates. Then was it discovered that one of them had a significantly lower minimum framerate than the other. A high minimum framerate is probably more important in shooters than peak performance, but that's not what we've been testing all of these years, is it? That's exactly the problem highlighted in the article by Zed.

I know this is a gaming example, but I'm sure that in user perception of the performance this matters just as much for the responsiveness of webpages.

[1] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/graphics-card-benchmarki... [2] http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-geforce-stutter-c...

sp332• 13 years ago

He's a lifestyle ranter. He used to have a section of his website called /rants/ which you can still read here: http://web.archive.org/web/20080105054424/http://www.zedshaw...

sergiotapia3• 13 years ago

He's a fantastic software engineer but he is _very_ abrasive. I've read some of his posts claiming he would fight some other developer in person at a conference if he steps up. He would rent out a ring and he would put his yellow belt to practice.

Really, I'm not making this up. He sounds like a jerk to work with.

ehm_may• 13 years ago

Ha! Gotta love Zed

neya5• 13 years ago

For anyone else curious on how Vert.x stacks up against the famous Node.js:

http://vertxproject.wordpress.com/2012/05/09/vert-x-vs-node-...

nyam• 13 years ago

you haven't read discussion, right?

neya5• 13 years ago

I posted this way before the discussion happened.

mmcclellan• 13 years ago

The wsgi benchmark uses gunicorn, which is fine. But if you are surprised by the so-so performance, know that the worker class can be changed via the -k flag (-k gevent), and may improve performance. Of course, other wsgi servers, like uwsgi, are also available.

knappador4• 13 years ago

Are they not even using gevent? Someone please get these guys off the internet. The are worse than some personal blogs at everything except the comprehensiveness in their low-quality testing.

kbar13• 13 years ago

...flask?

JOnAgain• 13 years ago

This is awesome. Thank you.

reactor• 13 years ago

Not to nitpick, but that (and another popular one http://www.techempower.com/blog/2013/03/26/everything-about-...) was a clever way to get people to techempower.com :)

Useful comparison anyway. Seems Go struck a good balance.

mariust• 13 years ago

I am 99% sure that you haven't used contain=>false for cake php this way all related tables are loaded to serve the related data.

suyash• 13 years ago

Java (JVM) > JavaScript (Node.JS) > Ruby-Rails

chc• 13 years ago

If all you're doing is trying to serve JSON as fast as possible.

knes• 13 years ago

No love for Flask? I would have love to see how it compare to Django and RoR

jalopy2• 13 years ago

As a Rails developer and admirer, this is eye-opening. I love the framework (and Ruby especially), but these numbers bear some serious consideration.

30-50x performance difference gets really... real, no? The standard refrain of "throw more hardware at it" must reconcile with the fact that a factor of 30-50x means real dollars for the same amount of load. Is the developer productivity really that much greater?

tiedemann• 13 years ago

Really depends on which kind of app you're working on. My main work app is 99% cached content so it would probably work just fine with almost anything. Developer time is certainly the biggest expense in my case so high-level it is.

bradleyland4• 13 years ago

Preface: This post is going to come across as a Rails apologist piece, but please read the entire thing before you reach a conclusion. Please also consider that you could apply these same arguments to just about any of the high-level language based frameworks on the list. I use Ruby on Rails in my comparisons, but I'm a huge fan of Node.js, Python/Django, and Go.

I fully respect the JVM family of languages as well. I just think that Mark Twain said it best when he said: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." It's not that the numbers aren't true, it's that they may not matter as much, and in the way, that we initially perceive them.

Performance is certainly something you should consider when selecting a language/framework, but it is not the only thing.

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You should undertake a detailed examination of these statistics before making any decisions.

Issue #1) The 30-50x performance difference only exists in a very limited scenario that you're unlikely to encounter in the real world.

Look carefully at the tests performed. The first test is an extraordinarily simple operation: take this string, serialize it, and send it to the client. This is the test in which we see massive differences:

Gemini vs Rails

25,264/687 (gemini/rails-ruby) = 36.774

25,264/871 (gemini/rails-jruby) = 29.000

Node.js vs Rails

10,541/687 (nodejs/rails-ruby) = 15.343

10,541/871 (nodejs/rails-jruby) = 12.102

That's a 37x performance win for Gemini, and 15x for Node.js.

Side note: You might be wondering why I didn't compare to the top performer, Netty. Netty is more like Rack. You build frameworks on top of Netty, not with Netty. As a Ruby dev, you could think of this in the same context of comparing Ruby on Rails with Rack; not a good comparison. Hence We won't compare Rails to Netty.

The error would be in extrapolating that a move to Gemeni or Node.js would give you a 37x or 15x performance increase in your application. To understand why this is an error, we jump down to the "Database access test (multiple queries)" benchmark.

Issue #2) Performance differences for one task doesn't always correlate proportionally with performance differences for all tasks.

In the multi-query database access test, we start to see the top JSON performers slow down significantly when compared to the slow down for Rails:

Gemini vs Rails

663/89 (gemini/rails-ruby) = 7.449

663/108 (gemini/rails-jruby) = 6.138

Node.js vs Rails

116/108 (nodejs-mysql-raw/rails-ruby) = 1.077

60/108 (nodejs-mysql/rails-ruby) = 0.555

In this scenario -- which is arguably much closer to the real world -- Ruby on Rails closes the gap and even beats some of the hip new kids.

But why? The in-depth answer to this question would require a lot of space, but the really, really short version is kind of a "what's the sound of one hand clapping" response: Ruby isn't actually all that slow.

To understand what the hell that means, check out this presentation from Alex Gaynor (of rdio/Topaz fame):

https://speakerdeck.com/alex/why-python-ruby-and-javascript-...

Ruby is just about as fast as C, provided you're comparing it to C that does exactly the same operations on the hardware as the Ruby code. Don't get me wrong, that's a HUGE provision. But it warrants close examination.

The real benefit of lower level languages like C is that they give you the flexibility to drill down in to your actual bare-metal operations and optimize the way the program executes on the hardware. As Alex points out, we don't currently have that level of flexibility in languages like Ruby (without dropping down to inline C), so we suffer a performance penalty.

This penalty is huge for simple tasks because they involve only a handful of operations that execute extremely quickly. As you add complexity, however, the benefits of micro-optimizations get lost in the vastness of the overall execution time.

Look at it like this. When Gemini hits 36,717 req/s in the JSON test, each request only lasts about 1.6 ms. This is only possible because of the simplicity of the operations being done on the hardware. Ruby loses big here because there is a lower boundary to the way you can optimize without dropping down to C.

gemini: 1.6 ms per request

rails-ruby: 87.3 ms per request

When we look at the multi-query database access test, we can see how the optimization at the low level gets lost in the sea of time taken to process the request.

gemini: 90.5 ms per request

rails-ruby: 674.2 ms per request

Granted, that is still over a 7x performance win for Gemini, but this is where the Ruby arguments about programmer efficiency come in to play. I don't know Gemini, so it may very well beat Rails in that comparison too. Ruby is getting more performant with every release though, so it's easier to justify on the basis of preference alone when we're this close.

jalopy2• 13 years ago

That's a very detailed and thoughtful response. You make some valid points. Maybe I'll try to craft some more complicated benchmarks that replicate normal CRUD operations found in most webapps.

chrisdone5• 13 years ago

Don't conflate Ruby with Rails. Ruby _is_ slow:

http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?te...

and so is Python:

http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/u32/benchmark.php?te...

The only time Ruby or Python are fast is when the program is not running Ruby or Python but running some C code underneath. If your programs only consist of that, you can very well say "this ‘Ruby/Python’ code is fast". But as soon as you have something that isn't in your standard library, welcome to the actual language, and welcome to performance problems.

Elaborating on the implications of this: whenever you actually _use_ the language to do some abstraction, you pay heavily for it: http://bos.github.com/reaktor-dev-day-2012/reaktor-talk-slid...

chrisdone5• 13 years ago

It comes as a surprise to me that this comes as a surprise to you. Really, you didn't know Ruby is pretty much as slow as it gets?

dmoreno• 13 years ago

Very nice benchmark. As developer of a toy "framework", but powerful http server library, I wanted to check on my project. I did a fast blog entry at http://bit.ly/10l9Smj. I got ~58288.10 for simple json, 8594.39 on db using sqlite, 503.23 for 20 requests.

Anyway for me its more important speed of development than performance on the server. Maybe my servers do not get that many visits.

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Oh this is awesome! Very nice performance for a mobile CPU.

Pull request, maybe? :)

plainOldText• 13 years ago

How can you write a web framework benchmark and not include some of the non mainstream languages with probably the most performant frameworks like Erlang (Cowboy, Mochiweb), Haskell (Yesod, Snap Framework)? That's just wrong; anyway.

brass9• 13 years ago

Oh... and you think Erlang or Haskell frameworks are mainstream while you fail to mention ASP.net?

lux• 13 years ago

I'd love to see how PHP 5.4 compares. In my own app, I saw a noticeable speedup and RAM usage per request dropped by half.

mixmastamyk2• 13 years ago

Wasn't it agreed a long time ago that benchmarking against a VM was a bad idea?

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Possibly, although we believe it represents precisely what we wanted to test: a realistic production environment.

However, we also tested on our physical i7 hardware. Did you happen to scroll down? :)

mixmastamyk2• 13 years ago

I did, but didn't see a pretty graph for it. Full production results are interesting, but benchmarks should test on a single variable. A cloud VM adds several to the mix.

spullara• 13 years ago

It is a great idea when your production environment is a VM.

cloudwizard• 13 years ago

It would be nice to see raw Python like you have raw PHP. I would expect Django to perform very poorly unless you optimize it's caching.

redwolfb14• 13 years ago

Wow, this benchmark is like comparing apples, oranges, mangos and cherries. Just because they are all fruit.

ldng• 13 years ago

It's fine as long as people take it for what it is. I still find the fruit salad interesting :-)

bhauer44• 13 years ago

In case it's not obvious, you can hide frameworks/platforms of no interest to you to narrow the view. For example, here's Node.js versus Express:

http://www.techempower.com/blog/2013/03/28/framework-benchma...

(Note the initial chart in the introduction section is an image and it won't be affected.)

Yaggo• 13 years ago

The raw json output merely tells about the performance of the language itself. Nice, but not that interesting if you need to get the job done and don't happen to know 10+ languages/frameworks.

abimaelmartell• 13 years ago

im not a PHP nazi, but you can't compare PHP and a framework

jrussbowman• 13 years ago

wow, these results and the performance of go is making me consider rewriting my tornado app again. I just put off doing it in order to build more stuff in to the python version. Maybe I'll reprioritize.

codebeard• 13 years ago

>And let us simply draw the curtain of charity over the Cake PHP results.

Something about that phrase "Let us simply draw the curtain of charity..." resulted in an immediate spittake. Coffee everywhere.

fatbat• 13 years ago

I see alot of people saying how certain configs are missing/better/not tested. So what about a "crowdsourced benchmark" instead?

Maybe a few elaborate scenarios are posted and people can simply submit their best setup/config/code to be benchmarked. I imagine devs would improve on it over time and eventually the most optimized would surface?

kainsavage6• 13 years ago

We are doing precisely that: if there are any mistakes or misunderstandings about the production-level best practices, we are accepting pull requests on our github (set up with all these tests, in case you want to run them yourself) to fix them, rerun them, and then report our updated findings.

sequoia2• 13 years ago

> This exercise aims to provide a "baseline" for performance across the variety of frameworks. By baseline we mean the starting point, from which any real-world application's performance can only get worse.

I disagree with the implication here (that this is a good point for comparison because "real-world application's performance can only get worse."). Yes it can only get worse but how much worse (per unit of "features") is both significant and unaddressed.

This isn't the best example but look at the gap between the top and bottom of the scale in the Database access test (single query) and Database access test (multiple queries) charts: In the first, Gemini is ~340x faster than Cake, in the second, only ~23x faster. There is still a big gap but it closed by an order of magnitude once you stepped past the most trivial possible DB access test.

So nodejs or php-raw is faster than cake at a single DB access, but what about when you create a real world scenario with authentication, requirement to be able to update features faster (i.e. use an ORM), env. portability requirement, etc.? It seems to me this would look like a little slower, a little slower, a little slower in the {raw} versions, and already included, already included, already included in Rails or Cake. The full featured frameworks take a lot of their performance penalty up-front, with less of a hit as features are added (maybe? :P).

My point is that it's not reasonable to assume that hackernews-benchmarks will actually reflect production use. That said I think the article is cool, and agree that it's good to keep framework authors' feet to the fire regarding performance!

campnic• 13 years ago

This is completely loaded. Your implication is that the only viable test is a test which exercises all of the functionality of the most feature rich framework. How would that be a)viable and b) meaningful?

We know that there is a set of common features and the benchmarks goal is to test least common denominator stuff on the networks. Authentication and portability are not LCD. The argument that they are is capricious. What if we made the requirement be that the framework is a lisp? Now we've completely changed the intent.

sequoia2• 13 years ago

I meant to suggest that comparing php-raw to Rails is apples & oranges- not "you must benchmark in a way that benefits larger frameworks", just "please acknowledge that LCD tests like this inherently cast Railsy frameworks in a bad light."

It's like condemning a swiss army knife because it's not as efficient as a fixed blade at cutting apples. Well yeah that's true, but what about when you need to screw a screw or pull a cork? One is a multitool, it doesn't make sense to compare it to a specialized tool unless all you plan to do is cut apples.

just2n• 13 years ago

Quickly taking a glance -- these benchmarks (like most benchmarks) seem like they might be highly misleading.

For instance, in the Express example code, they're sending JS objects rather than serializing them to raw data that the socket can just send. Instead, serialization/copying are happening on each request, which is a significant overhead.

I don't have domain knowledge over many others, but I suspect a similar problem might exist with others.

vinay_ys• 13 years ago

For json serialization, this benchmark seems to indicate Netty is twice as fast as Golang. Don't think that's right. The golang benchmark code is not exactly equivalent to netty benchmark code.

The netty code creates the ObjectMapper once and uses it for all requests, whereas golang code creates the json encoder for every request (enc := json.NewEncoder(w)). Just getting rid of that would make this trivial code so much faster.

rbanffy2• 13 years ago

I still believe launching a usable web application next week is preferable to launching a really fast web application 3 months from now, if ever.

arkitaip• 13 years ago

That's a straw man. Competent programmers should be able to code fast code in a fast manner.

rbanffy2• 13 years ago

Different languages and platforms yield very different productivity levels.

greenlaw110• 13 years ago

Why Play benchmark is running on Resin? Shouldn't it be directly on top of Netty?

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Play is not running on Resin. Did we accidentally say that somewhere? If so, we'll correct it.

sharedliberty• 13 years ago

Here: https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/tree/mast...

The tests were run with:

Java OpenJDK 1.7.0_09 Resin 4.0.34 Play 2.1.0

pacomerh• 13 years ago

Go's performance is great, and hearing good things about it, does any one have any experience on the type of applications this language is meant for?.

larkinrichards• 13 years ago

I roughed up a flask benchmark but I haven't been able to test locally.

If you want to help, check out this pull request: https://github.com/TechEmpower/FrameworkBenchmarks/pull/14/f...

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Awesome, thank you! We'll aim to get this incorporated into a follow up post soon.

xenonflash• 13 years ago

1) The Python version has some basic newbie coding errors. This sort of code is what Python programmers call "Java written in Python". It may be a valid algorithm in Java, but it's the wrong way to do it in Python. Code like this will work, but it will be slow. Depending on the size of "queries", you are potentially allocating gobs of memory in two different places for no reason, and then throwing it away without using it. I wouldn't be surprised if the examples in other languages had similar problems.

2) The JSON serializer in Django 1.4 uses a method which is known to be very slow, but which is easily portable across different platforms and works with older versions of Python. They no doubt included for easy bundling. In a real application you would probably want to simply use the normal JSON serializer from the standard library (which is many times faster).

3) The examples are little more than "hello world". I did some benchmark tests with several Python async frameworks, Pypy, and Node.js for an application I was working on. With small JSON objects there wasn't much difference in performance. Once you started using large JSON objects the performance lines for all versions were indistinguishable from each other. The performance bottlenecks were in libraries, and those standard libraries were all written in 'C', so interpreter versus compiler versus JIT made little difference.

4) The problem with "toy" examples is that in real life there are two performance factors which must be taken into account. Think of as y = mx + b. With a toy example you are probably only measuring "b". With most real life applications it's "m" that matters. There are often different optimization approaches that are best for varying ratios of "b" and "m". You have to know your application intimately and benchmark using data which is realistic for that application.

Python has a reputation for being "easy to learn". However, it is "easy" in the sense of being able to hack something together that works without knowing very much. There can be several different ways of doing things and doing it one way versus another way can mean a difference in performance of several orders of magnitude. The same may be true for some of the other languages, but I haven't examined them in enough detail to say.

lobster_johnson• 13 years ago

Some of the choices are unfair in an apples/oranges sort of way: They are testing Rails and Sinatra against Java servlets, but the Ruby equivalent of servlets is not a high-level framework like Rails, but Rack. (Also, the Ruby tests use Passenger, which is probably not a great choice for performance.)

mythz2• 13 years ago

Would've loved to see http://servicestack.net on this list which has great performance on .NET and Mono: https://github.com/ServiceStack/ServiceStack/wiki/Real-world...

And also maintains .NET's fastest JSON and Text Serializers: http://theburningmonk.com/2011/11/performance-test-json-seri...

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Thanks for the tips on these. We'll add ServiceStack to our to-do list. As you might imagine, that list is getting long as a result of some great community feedback. Pat (pfalls) is diving into the pull requests this morning.

zeeg• 13 years ago

You guys should feel bad about generating such awful benchmarks.

How the hell can you compare accessing a MySQL database to accessing a MongoDB database?

Its like comparing apples to piles of poop.

Also when you're testing things like Django in web requests, you're testing gunicorn, not Django.

baghali• 13 years ago

We need a project similar to TodoMVC [1] for benchmarking different languages and frameworks.

http://todomvc.com/

dugmartin• 13 years ago

I wonder how a cgi binary run from xinetd would perform?

cdi• 13 years ago

What about C++ Web frameworks?

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Don't think we didn't consider it! :) If you are willing to craft a comparable test for a C++ framework, we'd definitely like to get one into the next set of numbers.

We especially don't feel confident in our C++ chops to do a C++ framework justice.

cogwheel• 13 years ago

How much of the difference is due to the random number generator calls? They aren't free or equal cost across platforms by any stretch. I really have a hard time trusting these numbers with how casually calls to RNGs are bandied about...

a-b• 13 years ago

I would love to see Dropwizard in this benchmarks!

lennydizzy2• 13 years ago

How much does 'asynchronous' matters for the performance of a web framework? I mean netty, node.js are all async frameworks as I understand, but the source code for Go and Compojure seems was using a thread/process per request model?

NicoJuicy• 13 years ago

I kinda miss asp.net web api (okay, it's on Windows, but it's also a framework :))

gary4gar• 13 years ago

Woah....PHP is faster than Ruby in lot of results? I wonder why is this the case?

sabe__• 13 years ago

Isn’t it that django and rails has flat curves because they are by nature blocking. So it wouldn’t matter how many request you throw at them as they are limited in how much they can handle at once.

And to on top of this compare database requests is meaningless as the blocking nature of the framework itself is the major bottleneck, and not the database.

Now, for a normal web application, the largest amount of request would come from static content, or cached content within the web app so the real gain would be a tiny fraction between python/ruby and go/java-based frameworks.

That said, if you want to handle static content (images and such) from within your app, or build a java script-centric application with lots of tiny requests, or even persistent once...nor rails or django would do.

programminggeek• 13 years ago

I would like to point out that there is no reason you would benchmark a raw SQL query in PHP, and then only use ActiveRecord on the ruby side. At the very least you could have used the Sequel gem to just build a MySQL query for the Sinatra app. ActiveRecord is going to give you the same performance failure that it did in PHP too.

richyzhang• 13 years ago

JVM can use many cores at the same time node/rails only use one core. The test is totally nonsense.

You should show us the cpu usage. If you had done so, you would have found how absurd the mistake you had make.

egonschiele• 13 years ago

Since a few people have asked about Haskell, here are some Haskell benchmarks in comparison: http://www.yesodweb.com/blog/2011/03/preliminary-warp-cross-...

nickknw2• 13 years ago

Still, it would be nice to have these results independently verified and put alongside all the rest.

What do you think, bhauer? :)

bhauer44• 13 years ago

Our to-do list is getting unwieldy. :) We would love to get this added, though.

Any chance a Haskell expert could create a test and submit it as a pull request?

iamjem• 13 years ago

These sort of "benchmarks" are so subjective that they really don't provide any value. Looking at the framework lineup, a lot of the frameworks at the bottom have so many (tightly coupled) features (which also lead to bloat, like excessive middleware layers) that they're obviously not going to perform anywhere near as well as some of the barebones frameworks at the top. Neat post, but yeah, zero value.

superuser2• 13 years ago

It's interesting to note the time per request when you invert these. Even some of the most drastic differences (like Spring vs. Django) turn out to be the difference of a millisecond or two. That's pocket change in terms of user experience.

jonathanhefner• 13 years ago

It is a good and interesting observation, but as the benchmarks approach real-world scenarios, the difference is more than a millisecond or two.

For instance, if you're running on EC2 hardware (which is common enough) and you're executing ~20 DB queries/request (which is probably, unfortunately, common enough), the difference between Java servlets and Rails is more like 10ms.

Then what happens when more than 89 real-world users start to hit your Rails server each second?

(Note: I really like Ruby and Rails. Much more so than Java and its offerings.)

bjouhier• 13 years ago

node.js is single threaded and EC2 large instance has 4 CPUs. So to be fair you must either:

a) bench on a single core processor (a small EC2 instance)

b) configure node.js as a cluster with as many instances as processors.

sGrabber• 13 years ago

Thanks. We are reconsidering our stack and are in middle of evaluation, I am sure this post is going to be of great help.

philliphaydon• 13 years ago

Needs more NancyFX + Mono! Nice post tho, very interesting.

asbjornenge• 13 years ago

It just goes to show that your framework of choice is pretty unimportant. The developers (and their skills), who are actually developing on and configuring the framework, outweigh the "baseline" for performance on multiple orders of magnitude. From that I'd say that developer friendliness (easily approachable concepts) and sensible defaults is by far the most important thing when choosing a framework.

mschuster91• 13 years ago

You're using PDO in the PHP raw test - use direct mysqli_* API, it's lot faster than the PDO abstraction layer.

purplefox• 13 years ago

I haven't looked at this detail yet, but it should be noted that we haven't even optimised Vert.x yet so there should be plenty of scope for further improvement :)

(Disclaimer: I'm the Vert.x project lead)

eamodeorubio• 13 years ago

Hi, great work! I only have two suggestions:

a) Please, publish not only the requests per second, but the memory and CPU usage of the machine for each framework. b) For JAVA systems, can you publish de heap configuration of the JVM?

Cheers!

HallofFamer2• 13 years ago

Regarding PHP, well, isnt CakePHP by far the slowest major PHP framework? Why dont you test the other PHP frameworks? How about Yii, Codeigniter, Lithium and Symfony? Id say the result is kinda biased for PHP frameworks since you pick the slowest PHP framework available, instead of the fastest or at least the average one.

HallofFamer2• 13 years ago

Also I dont think evaluating json based on a simple 'Hello World' is a valid test. In fact, 'hello world' should never be the standard to test the speed of any processes. If all your script does is to output 'hello world' to the screen, why bother using a server-side programming language at all? You are better off just writing it in HTML, its faster than using any server-side and client-side languages lol.

kenyee• 13 years ago

In the FAQ for the benchmarks, could you also add a bit about how you configured the JVM (OpenJDK?). Curious about heap settings, etc.? Did you just use the default install? e.g. http://planet.jboss.org/post/rhel_openjdk_performance_tuning http://www.jaspersoft.com/sunopenjdk-jvm-garbage-collection-...

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