Zed now predicts your next edit with Zeta, our new open model

https://zed.dev/blog/edit-prediction

by ahamez • 1 year ago

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aqueueaqueue• 1 year ago

Ah that's a model that can run on a shitty old PC right. Like the idea of tools being local again.

pointlessone• 1 year ago

Maybe the model itself can be ran locally but the wa it’s currently integrated in Zed it runs on the server.

afandian2• 1 year ago

Zed doesn't run on the PC you describe. It needs a modern GPU that supports Vulkan (not for AI, just to show text on the screen).

I liked Zed so much I bought a new graphics card!

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/23623

guipsp• 1 year ago

I have sympathy for the reporter, but that CPU is literally 10 years old.

boxed3• 1 year ago

I tried CoPilot a while and my biggest gripe was tab for accepting the suggestion. I very often got a ton of AI garbage when I was just trying to indent some code.

Tab just doesn't seem like the proper interface for something like this.

fstephany• 1 year ago

You are not alone!

ljm2• 1 year ago

I actually wish more editors had emacs style indenting where hitting tab anywhere on the line would re-indent it or otherwise cycle through indent levels if it was unclear, especially because you’re unlikely to get copilot suggestions in the middle of a word. Plus, it doesn’t break if there’s a syntax error elsewhere in the file.

fhd2• 1 year ago

It's one of those weird Emacs things that you get _so_ used to that everything else seems to waste your time.

Using code formatters and formatting on save or with a shortcut is OK, but not really the same to me.

That's probably why I'm stuck with Emacs:

1. No need to use the mouse.

2. Extremely efficient keyboard usage (maybe not the most efficient, but compared with common IDEs, certainly).

Makes it feel like I'm actually using a brain computer interface. The somewhat regular yak shaving is a bit of a bummer though. I like that I can modify everything to be exactly how I like it, but I wouldn't mind sensible defaults. Haven't found a distribution yet that works well without tinkering.

boxed3• 1 year ago

Oh, didn't know about that. That makes a lot of sense. Reminds me of how hitting cmd+c on a line in PyCharm copies the entire line if there is no selection. Because what else would make sense?

yencabulator3• 1 year ago

I thought that was a great feature. Now I'm writing mostly languages with well-defined formatting rules and simply never need tab. This is even better.

janaagaard• 1 year ago

After using Prettier to format my code and turning on format-on-save, I pretty much don’t use the tab key anymore. This doesn’t invalidate your point, - I am merely guessing as to why the tab key seemingly has been reassigned.

moritzruth• 1 year ago

Ctrl+Return works quite well for me in IntelliJ.

Mashimo2• 1 year ago

to indent some code.

Why are you manually indenting code?

I don't remember ever doing that in IDEA or VS Code for ~~python,~~ java or ts.

Edit: I borked about python, my bad.

rfoo• 1 year ago

For example, you have

    if check_something():
        wall_of_text = textwrap.dedent("""
    this
    is
    a
    multiline
    string
    """.strip("\n"))

I hope you agree it's ugly. And you want to make it

    if check_something():
        wall_of_text = textwrap.dedent("""\
            this
            is
            a
            multiline
            string
        """.strip("\n"))

But I don't know any formatter which does this automatically. Because the change here not only changes the looking, it changes semantic. The formatter has to understand that after `textwrap.dedent(_.strip("\n"))` the result does not change and that's hard. So formatter just leave it alone. But it's extremely obvious to a human. Or maybe extremely obvious to a LLM too.

oneeyedpigeon3• 1 year ago

Isn't indentation 'non deterministic' in Python? E.g. if I have the following:

    if (foo):
        bar()
    hum()

how can anything other than a human decide if that 3rd line should be indented as it is or by one more level?

fragmede• 1 year ago

How does the IDEA/VSCode know when you're done with the if?

    if foo:
        bar # Obviously this is indented
        but_is_this() # supposed to be under the if?
        how.about(this) #?
    how.do_you(de) # indent in Python, if not manually?

MaikuMori• 1 year ago

Doesn't exactly fix the issue, bout you can cancel the suggestion with ESC and then press Tab.

Changing the shortcut should be possible, but I haven't tried.

boxed3• 1 year ago

It's a timing issue too. Your hand can be travelling to the keyboard and between that and registering in the OS the AI suggestion inserted itself inbetween.

madmulita• 1 year ago

Don't give them ideas! I can already see the useless AI key next to Fn in my next keyboard.

card_zero2• 1 year ago

That already happened, just over a year ago, we have Copilot keys now.

I guess it invokes the AI rather than controling it, maybe there'll be another key soon.

as-cii4• 1 year ago

Hey! Zed founder here.

We totally agree with this and that's why Zed will switch the keybinding for accepting an edit prediction to `alt-tab` when the cursor is in the leading whitespace of a line. This way you can keep using `tab` for indenting in that situation.

Also, when there's both an edit prediction and and LSP completion, Zed switches the keybinding to `alt-tab` to prevent the conflict with accepting an LSP completion.

Curious to hear what you think!

maxloh• 1 year ago

Hi. Could you explain how you plan to make money with the model while open-sourcing it?

It seems contradicting to me.

danielsamuels• 1 year ago

For reasons that should be obvious, that's not going to work on Windows.

VWWHFSfQ• 1 year ago

Is there way to change this key binding (tab for accept) right now? Because otherwise I have to stop using this program. It is absolutely obnoxious.

awfulneutral2• 1 year ago

Ohhh, is that why I keep pressing tab and it doesn't accept the prediction lately? I thought it was a bug. It feels weird for tab to double-indent when it could be accepting a prediction - I wonder if alt-tab to do a manual indent rather than accept the current prediction might be preferable?

Edit - On the other hand, a related issue is that if the prediction itself starts with whitespace, in that case it would be good if tab just indents like normal; otherwise you can't indent without accepting the prediction.

daliusd• 1 year ago

Yes, copilot's tab in vim is that made me think that AI is useless. However next iteration of AI coding tools made me rethink this (I am using https://github.com/olimorris/codecompanion.nvim with nvim now).

windward• 1 year ago

AI coding tool implementers seem to be fans of novel editor fonts.

marcosdumay• 1 year ago

It's way better than the other Microsoft favorites of space and enter...

It's as if people developing autocomplete doesn't really code.

relistan• 1 year ago

Yeah, IMO tab makes no sense for this as the default.

Since I code in Go and use tabs regularly, I remapped my auto-complete AI key for Supermaven in Neovim to ctrl-L which I have no other occasion to use regularly. Now tab works properly and I can get auto-complete.

notsylver2• 1 year ago

This looks a lot more impressive than a lot of GitHub Copilot alternatives I've seen. I wonder how hard it would be to port this to vscode - using remote models for inline completion always seemed wrong to me, especially with server latency and network issues

coder5436• 1 year ago

Based on the blogpost, this appears to be hosted remotely on baseten. The model just happens to be released openly, so you can also download it, but the blogpost doesn't talk about any intention to help you run it locally within the editor. (I agree that would be cool, I'm just commenting on what I see in the article.)

On the other hand, network latency itself isn't really that big of a deal... a more powerful GPU server in the cloud can typically run so much faster that it can make up for the added network latency and then some. Running locally is really about privacy and offline use cases, not performance, in my opinion.

If you want to try local tab completions, the Continue plugin for VSCode is a good way to try that, but the Zeta model is the first open model that I'm aware of that is more advanced than just FIM.

notsylver2• 1 year ago

I'm stuck using somewhat unreliable starlink to a datacenter ~90ms away, but I can run 7b models fine locally. I agree though, cloud completions aren't unusably slow/unreliable for me, it's mostly about privacy and it being really fun.

I tried continue a few times, I could never get consistent results, the models were just too dumb. That's why I'm excited about this model, it seems like a better approach to inline completion and might be the first okay enough™ model for me. Either way, I don't think I can replace copilot until a model can automatically fine tune itself in the background on the code I've written

littlestymaar• 1 year ago

A few weeks out from launch, we ran a brief competitive process, and we ended up being really impressed with Baseten.

What? I really fail to see how it can make sense for a company like Zed: Baseten bills by the minute so it can be really useful if you need to handle small bursts of compute, but on the flip side they charge you a x5 premium if you end up being billed for complete hours…

lukaslalinsky2• 1 year ago

Zed is a VC funded startup. Wasting money in exchange for ease of deployment is expected, no?

ramon156• 1 year ago

zeta won't be free forever

Well that's a bummer, but also very understandable. I hope they don't make the hop too early, because I still want to grow into Zed before throw my wallet at them. So far it's very promising!

norman784• 1 year ago

But Zeta model is open source, so I suppose you could run it locally if you want. I didn't tried it yet, but I suppose that's their intention by open sourcing it.

pr337h4m• 1 year ago

Yeah, a 7B param LLM (quantized) is pretty fast on even a previous-generation base model MacBook Air with 8 GB RAM.

freehorse• 1 year ago

can we run it locally to get autocomplete?

gardenhedge• 1 year ago

Personally, before I hit tab to confirm a change, I would want to see the before and after rather than just the after

vinnyhaps• 1 year ago

I believe the after change hovers over the before line. So if you go back to the video, e.g. at 27s in, there's a lightning bolt highlighting which line is going to be changed, then there's a box, with "tab" at the end, above the line, highlighting the change that will be performed :)

keyle• 1 year ago

Good, charge for Zed and secure its future.

I'm becoming more and more wanting to use Zed every day, and shifting away from other editors whenever possible. Some LSP implementations are lacking... But it's getting damn close!

I love the new release every week. Zed is my recent love, and Ghostty which is also stellar.

Hanging by a thread for some sort of lldb/gdb integration with breakpoints and inspection! Hopefully some day, without becoming a bag of turd.

returnInfinity• 1 year ago

Future CPUs must be able to run this model locally. This is the way. I have spoken.

coder5436• 1 year ago

Two immediate issues that I noticed:

1. If I make a change, then undo, so that change was never made, it still seems to be in the edit history passed to the model, so the model is interested in predicting that change again. This felt too aggressive... maybe the very last edit should be forgotten if it is immediately undone. Maybe only edits that exist against the git diff should be kept... but perhaps that is too limiting.

2. It doesn't seem like the model is getting enough context. The editor would ideally be supplying the model with type hints for the variables in the current context, and based on those type hints being put into the context, it would also pull in some type definitions. (I was testing this on a Go project.) As it is, the model was clearly doing the best it could with the information available, but it needed to be given more information. Related, I wonder if the prediction could be performed in a loop. When the model suggests some code, the editor could "apply" that change so that the language server can see it, and if the language server finds an error in the prediction, the model could be given the error and asked to make another prediction.

yellow_lead• 1 year ago

Seems like you can't run it locally. I don't like my code being sent to a third party, especially when my employer may not agree with it.

I also edit secret/env files in my IDE, so for instance, a private key or API key could get sent, right?

I hope there will be a local option later.

_flux2• 1 year ago

They use backend configurable at environment variable ZED_PREDICT_EDITS_URL https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/2f734cbd5e2452647... , but I don't know if the /predict_edits/v2 endpoint is something some projects provide or not.

At least the model is available and interacting with it seems simple, so it's probably quite realistic to have an open/locally runnable version of it. The model isn't very big.

levzzz• 1 year ago

yeah, i'd like to be able to run it locally. it should fit well onto my 12gb gpu

mikaylamaki2• 1 year ago

a private key or API key could get sent, right?

You can disable this feature on a per-file basis, here’s the relevant setting: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/39c9b1f170cd640cd...

yencabulator3• 1 year ago

Sending files to a remote server is never something that should need to be disabled, this must be an opt-in or it's time for a fork.

lordnacho• 1 year ago

Is there a thing that does this for the terminal? I hate it when I'm fiddling with some complicated command and I have to juggle the flags as well as my personal inputs like paths and such.

djvv• 1 year ago

If you mean an autocomplete for the terminal, there is https://www.warp.dev/.

diggan2• 1 year ago

Seeing "Contact Sales" for a terminal application is scary, but whatever, I gave it a try.

And it seems like it requires a constant internet connection?! What the hell is this? Sure, we put all our coding-baskets into GitHub, so you can't collaborate when GitHub/internet isn't working, but you want the same experience for your terminal?

minib• 1 year ago

Zed's Inline AI Assistant works in terminal too!

jamiedumont• 1 year ago

Using fish shell has largely solved my gripes with complex commands. It’s not AI autocomplete, but it remembers the complex commands perfectly, so I only need to work it out once. It’s suggestions are also uncanny - the right command and just the right time.

elashri2• 1 year ago

It seem that someone already published different quanta versions of the model [1] . This can be used to define Modelfile to use with ollama locally. But I am not sure that zed allows changing the endpoint of this feature yet (ever). Of course it is opeb source and you can change it but then you will need to build it.

[1] https://huggingface.co/mradermacher/zeta-GGUF

_flux2• 1 year ago

I found https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/blob/2f734cbd5e2452647... which leads me to believe the environment variable ZED_PREDICT_EDITS_URL does control the endpoint.

elashri2• 1 year ago

But is there a setting you can modify after the binary being built? Something like in application settings? Or do you need to build it?

as-cii4• 1 year ago

Hey elashri, Zed co-founder here.

There currently is no official way of configuring Zed to use Ollama for edit prediction, but I would love to accept a pull request that implements it!

It should be relatively straightforward and we're happy to accept contributions here: this has been something I wanted to experiment with for a while but didn't get around to for the launch.

shinryuu• 1 year ago

I'm curious how they plan to fund the company?

thomascountz• 1 year ago

If you were looking for the configuration like I was[1][2]:

  {
    "show_edit_predictions": <true|false>,
    "edit_predictions": {
      "disabled_globs": [<globs>],
      "mode": <"eager_preview"|"auto">
    },
    "features": {
      "edit_prediction_provider": <"copilot"|"supermaven"|"zed"|"none">
    }
  }

[1]: https://zed.dev/docs/completions

[2] https://zed.dev/docs/configuring-zed#edit-predictions

tripplyons• 1 year ago

Thanks for sharing, it would have taken me some time to find this. It should really be included in the article.

mihaaly3• 1 year ago

The sensitive readers please be advised, quite a bit of a rant and angry reactions coming in an overreacting style, please stop here if you are of the sensitive type. The comments are unrelated to this particular product but aimed at the universal approach of the broad topic nowadays. Zero intent of offending anyone specific person is attempted.

I am fed up with all these predicting what I want to do. Badly!! Don't guess! Wait, and I will do what I want to do. I do not appreciate it from my wife trying to figure out what I want to say in the middle of my senntence and interrupts before I finish what I am saying, imagine how much I tolerate it from a f computer! I know what I am going to do, you do not! Let me do that already! This level of predicting our asses off everywhere grown to be a f nuisance by now, I cannot simply do and focus on what I want to do because of the many distractions and suggestions and guesses and prediction of me and my actions all the f time are in the way' Wait, and see! At this overly eager level and pushing into everything is a nuisance now! Too many times the acceptance of the - wrong - 'helping suggestion' is in the way too, hijacking that usable elsewhere particular keyboard action, breaking my flow, dragging in the unwanted stupid guess! Recovery of my way of working from incoming and pushy "feature" hiding/colliding my usual actions, forced on me in a "security update" or other bullshit, turning off and recover the working practice already been in place and worked is an unwelcom being in the way too, ruined, now colliding with "smart prediction", not helping. In long term, it is not a definitive help but an around zero sum game. Locally, in specific sittuations, too many times it is a strong negative by the wrong done! Too much problems here and there, accuracy and implementation wise. Forced everywhere. Don't be a smartass, you are just an algorithm not a mind reader! Lay back and listen.

If prediction is that smart - being with us since the turn of the millania here and there - then should do my job perfectly and I can go walk outside and collect the money! Until, f off!

gkbrk• 1 year ago

Is someone forcing you at gunpoint to use AI autocomplete while you code? If you think it's not good, just don't use it.

heeton• 1 year ago

Right? If you don't like the tool, turn it off.

I find autocomplete _exceptionally_ useful. It's right in most of the simple tasks I'm trying to do and speeds me up a lot.

botanical76• 1 year ago

Well, I notice there is a lot of pressure in organizations for individual developers to start making use of these tools. I was already using AI extensively before my company picked up on it, so it doesn't really affect me negatively, but I notice some of my coworkers starting to ask questions like "Do I have to use it?". The status quo seems to imply that you {refuse to accept change,aren't willing to grow,aren't interested in increasing efficiency in workflow} if you don't use AI tools / autocomplete.

So while it is unlikely anyone is _forcing_ you to use AI-enabled efficiency boosters, there may be a strong managerial pressure felt to do so, and it may even be offered as an action item in yearly reviews, and therefore strongly linked to compensation / incentives.

That is all to say, I understand if people in this group are frustrated with the AI hype train at the moment, even if they can appreciate that these tools do indeed improve efficiency in some places and in some people.

lionkor9• 1 year ago

I find that AI autocomplete, even autocompleting full functions, is capable enough to use. I need to review all my code in detail before pushing, and I need to write unit tests, and I need to "run it once" test it also.

It gets it mostly right most of the time, and often times it quite literally suggests what I was about to type.

This is mostly in Rust and C#, maybe other languages have more of a hurdle for AI.

powerhugs• 1 year ago

So it can rust now? That's impressive!

Last time I tried it had no way of valid rust code beyond hello-world level, constantly producing code that failed the borrow checker.

gizmo4• 1 year ago

If you fight the system you're not going to have a good time. For incremental improvements (faster grep, mixed-language syntax highlighting) you get the benefits for free. You don't have to change anything about the way you work. Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change.

Almost anywhere you can go by foot you can get faster with a horse. By contrast, a car only drives on flat roads. Cars are inflexible, fragile, unwieldy. A car demands that the world adapts to it. And adapt we did. We paved the world and are better for it.

AI tools are amazing. You just have to approach them with a beginner's mindset.

mihaaly3• 1 year ago

I am not having a good time, that's true. This is with systems you do not need and not working for you. You can lay down to it, but could also fight it, go around it, not just give up and do what a random self promoted something tries to dictate. True, it is not good now or just yet, and about the amazingness, well, I believe the jury is still out on that.... let's say there are moments when it is.

Disruption can f off! I am not a slave to lay down to self serving ideas forced. If ideas not serving humanity and demand change for the sake of it, those are bad ideas then! Down with technological authoritarianism! I am for liberal things mainly anyway.

About cars: don't use it inside hight rise buildings if you live in one, or dense cute cities because you will have more problem than help. One can walk, cycle or mass transit, occasional renting, in a big part of life. Cars have their places, not something to wrap humanity around. Thos are just box like objects with four wheels for f's sake! For humans, and not the other way around.

All depends on circumstances in the end, naturally.

brabel2• 1 year ago

And adapt we did. We paved the world and are better for it.

I don't know, it must've been awesome going everywhere mounted on a powerful live animal, not being limited to roads, feeling the fresh air, not destroying the planet.

nprateem• 1 year ago

Constant interruptions aren't free though. They break your train of thought knocking you out of flow.

wruza• 1 year ago

Revolutionary/disruptive technologies are not like that. They demand that the world adapts to them. They demand you change.

That’s just coping for “my revolutionary technology is a pile of crap around the main feature that barely works”, imo.

AI tools are amazing. You just have to approach them with a beginner's mindset.

Makes no sense when they still fail at the job. Mindset doesn’t change reality, only your relation to it. You’re suggesting to like bullshit cause you learned to like it. AI tools are at best mediocre, just like a huge part of people who benefit from these, and their creations.

portaouflop• 1 year ago

We paved the world and now it’s fucked — progress is not always a good thing, in this case it was a mistake that we and our descendants will continue to pay the price for.

taurknaut• 1 year ago

To be disruptive you need layoffs. Where is all this labor that can be replaced with chatbots?

I, personally, strongly hate cars and think they're moronic. Sometimes revolutions aren't a good thing.

computerthings2• 1 year ago

Colonizers demand you change. Things make life better for people need to just exist. You just need to see your neighbor enjoying it to want yourself some of that. If you need to make changes for that, you'll ask what changes those are, and make them, if the trade-offs are worth it.

If you need to scold people for being backwards for not accepting your great gift, it's not a great gift.

AI tools are amazing. You just have to approach them with a beginner's mindset.

IMO they're not even tools. A screwdriver is a tool; the phone number of a place that sends people that loosen or fasten screws isn't. A switch on the steering column is a tool, while a button on a touch screen is a middleman that at best works like the switch, at worst just does whatever. A keyboard is a tool, you can learn it well enough to know what keys you pressed without needing a screen. Predictive typing is not a tool.

barrell2• 1 year ago

I had GitHub copilot for nearly two years. I built the entire first version of an application for almost a year in a language I didn’t know (Python) using LLMs and prompting.

Over the last year I’ve had to rewrite every single part of the application. My amount of checked in code from an LLM has reduced to literally 0. I occasionally ask ChatGPT a question on my phone.

I turned off copilot a few months ago and honestly it feels more like turning off push notifications, not like giving up a car.

And even if it were comparable to an automobile, as an American who moved to Amsterdam, I can attest that the bike life is still much more enjoyable than the car life :)

franktankbank• 1 year ago

We paved the world and are better for it.

Questionable.

oneeyedpigeon3• 1 year ago

I think there may be a good point here, but it's buried in a wall of poorly-written text and inappropriate references to your relationship problems.

capital_guy• 1 year ago

Finding a way to complain about your wife in a comment about an IDE is peak hacker news.

tomw1808• 1 year ago

Same here, I basically turned off all the auto-complete things everywhere in all the tools I am using, can't stand it. And just before reading your comment, I had a google doc I edited in the other tab and thought, how annoying are these auto suggestions actually. Not helping at all, instead a distraction (to me).

For AI coding I'm using Aider as a docker container in the terminal in the IDE and I love it. I can write what I want how I feel the prompt to be necessary and then (and only then) it makes the changes or runs whatever I requested. The IDE runs uninterrupted and without any "smart suggestions". A tool for every job. Sometimes I do a lot in aider, sometimes I don't open it at all, but its all separated where what happens when.

But yeah, anyways, while not as strongly feeling as you (probably) towards auto suggesting mid way through my sentence, I at least feel they are more distraction than help to me.

deagle503• 1 year ago

Same. I also configured my editor not to show LSP diag unless I save. Something you can't do in Zed.

beefnugs• 1 year ago

No one has even tried to do it properly: It would have to be constant, highly parallel (locally running:non pay-per-use) simulations going on the background, with feedback from new constantly changing user input and some kind of new reward detection about it converging on something worth suggesting.

These loops and simulations have to be happening at multiple levels of abstraction all at the same time, not even sure how that would work or coordinate properly, and thus: never gonna happen

dmix• 1 year ago

Cursor's predictions work for me the vast majority of the time (far more so than Copilot+VSCode). Might be a language/framework dependent though.

tolerance• 1 year ago

I see that the truth may be that there are too many men on earth who are deprived of cognitive fortitude, starved to think and willing to off-load thought to another...

...Wife...Machine...or what have you.

Falimonda• 1 year ago

Go hug your wife

mihaaly3• 1 year ago

You found the core of the topic, locked on the main meaning instantly and with no error, congratulations for this increadibly sharp insight! :/

linsomniac2• 1 year ago

The wife finishing your sentences is an interesting analogy... My wife and I are usually on the same page about things, so for many topics we can use short-hand or otherwise cut discussions short. It's like in the movie _Hackers_: "It's in the place I put that thing that time." We can say just enough between us that we verify we have a shared state, and if we aren't sure we can verify and adjust.

With an LLM, if what I'm starting to say gives it a direction on where I'm going, I'd like to see what it thinks, so if it's largely or entirely right I can just continue on.

For example, I just asked ChatGPT o3-mini to complete the code "def download_uri_to_file(", and it came up with the entire function including type annotations, a very reasonable docstring, error handling, and streaming download. In fact, reviewing the code I'm sure it's better than I would have written the first pass through (I probably wouldn't have done the error handling or the streaming (unless I knew up front that I was going to be downloading huge files).

aidenn0• 1 year ago

The wife finishing your sentences is an interesting analogy... My wife and I are usually on the same page about things, so for many topics we can use short-hand or otherwise cut discussions short.

My wife and I are just too different for this to happen. For the first 10 years or so we had the opposite happen a lot (multiple times a day for the first few years), where we thought we were on the same page, but had actually under-communicated. It still happens occasionally, but now we mostly overcommunicate about anything of any importance.

Our kids learned pretty quickly that if one parent was helping them with their homework, but had to leave to do something else, that asking the other parent for help was going to confuse them more, since we come at any given problem from a completely different direction.

qaq• 1 year ago

Yep it should be configurable let me type at the very least the function name before you start predicting

NoboruWataya• 1 year ago

I haven't used Zed much but RustRover seems to have recently switched to a more aggressive/ambitious autocomplete. IIRC tab used to just complete the current word, now it tries to complete the rest of the line. Only it usually gets it wrong. Enter now seems to do what tab used to do and it's been quite annoying having to unlearn tab completing everything.

Maybe Zed's prediction is better (though to be honest I don't really care to find out). But I feel like autocomplete is something where usefulness drops off very quickly as the amount of predicted text increases. The thing is, it really has to be 100% correct, because correcting your mostly-correct auto-generated code seems more tedious and frustrating to me than just typing the correct code in the first place.

homebrewer• 1 year ago

It's a new local full-line completion model they've been enabling for one language after another in all their IDEs. I too agree that it's a waste of CPU cycles. The old completion mechanism (a bunch of hardcoded rules plus a bit of machine learning on the side) already was miles ahead of everything else, and with far fewer false-positives.

You can disable it by going into 'File | Settings | Plugins' and turning off "Full Line Code Completion".

paradite• 1 year ago

DeepSeek also has a FIM (Fill In the Middle) completion model via API, if anyone is interested to try out:

https://api-docs.deepseek.com/guides/fim_completion

sarosh• 1 year ago

Interesting that the underlying model, a LoRA fine-tune of Qwen2.5-Coder-32B, relies on synthetic data from Claude[1]:

  But we had a classic chicken-and-egg problem—we needed data to train the model, but we didn't have any real examples yet. So we started by having Claude generate about 50 synthetic examples that we added to our dataset. We then used that initial fine-tune to ship an early version of Zeta behind a feature flag and started collecting examples from our own team's usage.

  ...

  This approach let us quickly build up a solid dataset of around 400 high-quality examples, which improved the model a lot!

I checked the training set, but couldn't quickly identify which were 'Claude' produced[2]. Would be interesting to see them distinguished out.

[1] https://zed.dev/blog/edit-prediction [2]: https://huggingface.co/datasets/zed-industries/zeta

hereonout2• 1 year ago

Yes this is very interesting!

The hardware, tooling and time required to do a LoRa fine tune like this are extremely accessible.

Financially this is also not a big expense and I assume would have cost in the order of $100s of dollars in GPU rentals, possibly less if you ignore experimentation time.

So what is a barrier to entry here? The data? Well they didn't have that either so automatically generated a dataset of just 500 examples to achieve the task.

I'm sure they spent some time on that but again it doesn't sound an incredibly challenging task.

It's worth realising if you've not delved into fine tuning llms before. In terms of time, scale and financial costs there is a world of difference between building a product like this and building a base model.

lionkor9• 1 year ago

Edit prediction won't be free forever, but right now we're just excited to share and learn.

I love Zed, and I'm happy to pay for AI stuff, but I won't be using this until they are done with their rug pull. Once I know how much it costs, I can decide if I want to try integrating it into my workflow. Only THEN will I want to try it, and would be interested in a limited free trial, even just 24 hours.

Considering I've seen products like this range from free to hundreds of dollars per month, I'd rather not find out how good it is and then find out I can't afford it.

Other than that for anyone wanting to try Zed:

- You can only run one LSP per file type, so your Rust will work fine, your C++, too, your Angular will not.

- Remote editing does not work on Windows (its not implemented at all), so if you are on windows, you cannot ssh into anything with the editor remote editing feature. This means you cannot use your PC as a thin client to the actual chunky big work machine like you can with vscode. I've seen a PR that adds windows ssh support, but it looked very stale.

vasco• 1 year ago

With the speed that models are coming out at and the amount of VC subsidies in trials my approach is the opposite, I don't get too attached and keep trying different tools and models.

winternewt• 1 year ago

And that's why most of these endeavors are doomed to fail. Every time they enshittify one service there's a new one with attractive UX that VC's essentially pay you to use instead. And so the previous investment would be lost if they couldn't dump it on naive stock traders by going public before the cat is out of the bag.

jstummbillig• 1 year ago

When products evolve rapidly, pricing will too. Whatever Zed or any actor is doing now or in 6 month on either front says little about what will happen next.

Just try what people offer right now, at a price point that you are okay with, right now. In a year, both product and price will probably be moot.

mstade• 1 year ago

- You can only run one LSP per file type, so your Rust will work fine, your C++, too, your Angular will not.

As a web developer that's an immediate deal breaker. I use Sublime today and being able to run multiple LSP servers per file is a huge boon, it turns a very capable text editor into a total powerhouse. The way it's set up in Sublime with configuration options that can be applied very broadly or very specifically, while having defaults that just works is also just incredible.

While I'm super pleased with Sublime and a happy paying customer since at least a decade, and at this rate may well be for another decase, I'm always keeping my ear to the ground for other editors if nothing else just to stay current. Zed's been looking pretty cool, but things like this will keep me from even just trying it. There's years of muscle memory and momentum built up in my editor choice, I'm not switching on whim.

Thank you very much for sharing this nugget of gold!

urschrei• 1 year ago

I'm not a regular Zed user, but this isn't true: I simultaneously ran the Ruff and Pyright LSPs when I used it last week.

viraptor• 1 year ago

With this feature they're competing with the features Cursor had for quite a while now, so I would expect a price competition there. That means close to $20 /mth. (windsurf without that feature is $15)

matt-p• 1 year ago

I would probably pay 100 quite happily for cursor, don't tell them .

d_tr2• 1 year ago

Other than that for anyone wanting to try Zed:

Also, no support for debugging yet.

delduca• 1 year ago

You do not need debugging if you have AI.

onionisafruit• 1 year ago

I keep getting interested in Zed then rediscovering how much I like the easy debugging in jetbrains IDEs. Last time I checked Zed had a PR in progress. Maybe next time I think about it, Zed will be ready for me.

trcarney2• 1 year ago

I asked them about this on X and they are working on one. I use Zed for everything now but must keep VS Code around just for the debugger. I can't wait to delete it.

diodak• 1 year ago

Hey, my name is Piotr and I work on language servers at Zed.

Right now you can run multiple language servers in a single project. Admittedly you cannot have multiple instances of a single language server in a single worktree (e.g. two rust-analyzers) - I am working on that right now, as this is a common pain point for users with monorepos.

I would love to hear more about the problems you are having with running language servers in your projects. Is there any chance for us to speak on our community Discord or via onboarding call (which you can book via https://dub.sh/zed-c-onboarding)?

celdon252• 1 year ago

I'm curious if you've given thought to improving json-schema support. Zed just packages VSCode's implementation (https://github.com/zed-industries/json-language-server ), which is generally decent, but hasn't been able to keep up with the spec, and I doubt they ever will at this point (Example: https://github.com/microsoft/vscode/issues/165219).

The newer specs for json-schema (not supported by VSCode) allow for a wider range of data requirements to be supported by a schema without that schema resorting to costly workarounds. VSCode's level of support for this is decent, but is still a pain point as it creates a sort of artificial restriction on the layout of your data that you're able to have without unexpected development costs. This of course can lead to missed estimates and reduced morale.

I understand that very few developers are directly producing and maintaining schemas. Those schemas do have an impact on most developers though. I think this is a problem that is being sadly overlooked, and I hope you can consider changing the status quo.

Love the company name btw, sounds similar to my own Nuzz Industries (not a real company, just a tag I've slapped onto some projects occasionally as a homage to Page Industries from Deus Ex).

rbetts• 1 year ago

I've been using Zed (with python) for the last few weeks (coming from vscode and nevim). There's a lot I like about Zed. My favorites include the speed and navigation via the symbol outline (and vim mode). I'd have a hard time going back to vscode. The LSP configuration, though, is not one of its best parts, for me. I ended up copy/pasting a few different ruff + pyright configs until one mostly worked and puzzled through how to map the settings from linked pyright docs into Zed yaml. Some better documentation for the configuration stanzas and how they map across the different tool's settings would be really helpful.

I still, for example, can't get Zed / LSP to provide auto-fix suggestions for missing imports. (Which seems like a common stumbling block: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/13522, https://github.com/zed-extensions/java/issues/20, https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/discussions/13281)

I'm sure given the breadth of LSPs, that they all have their own config, and use different project config files, makes it hard to document clearly. But it's an area that I hope bubbles up the roadmap in due course.

lionkor9• 1 year ago

Hi, thank you. I specifically meant running multiple LSPs in the same file at the same time, akin to vscode.

ubercore2• 1 year ago

You can definitely run more than one LSP with zed -- can you elaborate on the angular case that gives you trouble?

rootnod33• 1 year ago

I think the point is: "per file". Sure you an run a Rust LSP in one file and a JS LSP in another, but you can't drive both in the same file.

lionkor9• 1 year ago

Sorry, in the same file as the sibling said. In some other editors, you can run multiple LSPs on the same exact file at the same exact time.

A use case is Angular or other more specialized frameworks, that are so abstracted away and dumbed down that each layer of abstraction basically has an LSP.

rafaelmn3• 1 year ago

Remote editing does not work on Windows (its not implemented at all), so if you are on windows, you cannot ssh into anything with the editor remote editing feature. This means you cannot use your PC as a thin client to the actual chunky big work machine like you can with vscode.

Does this work on anything other than VSCode ? I have been trying to use JetBrains stuff for this but it has been bad for years with little improvement. Honestly JetBrains feels like they are falling behind further and further in terms of adapting to providing a modern workflow - bad remote work, bad gen AI integration. I'm using VS code even where I wouldn't consider it before because of this, and I would like to see what the alternatives have to offer because VSCode is not perfect either.

lionkor9• 1 year ago

Works on JetBrains, vscode, any terminal editor (neovim, vim, nano, etc.). Is it any good? It's fine on JetBrains, great on vscode, the rest is more or less great. Zed does not have it. You want to edit a remote file? You download it, edit it, upload it. That's much worse than a half baked implementation.

pjmlp6• 1 year ago

As someone that is old enough to have used UNIX development servers for the whole company, with PC thin clients, reading about remote development as modern workflow is kind of hilarious.

MobiusHorizons2• 1 year ago

It’s not exactly the same paradigm as remote editing, but neovim in tmux accessed over mosh is my preferred way of accomplishing the same task. I have also gotten a neovim gui to connect with a neovim instance over ssh, which worked pretty well until the ssh connection broke. But I prefer my editor in a terminal rather than terminals in my editor, so I switched back to my tmux based workflow.

kristofferR• 1 year ago

It's like the recent Samsung phones, functionality fees are waived until 2026. No word about the price yet. [1]

Samsung should be avoided like the plague anyway, I've never seen such a malicious and hostile company! On Dec 13 they silently announced that they were gonna break Samsung APIs on Dec 30 [2]. Yeah, they gave devs the "You gotta spend your holidays fixing our mess, otherwise your app will break". Due to that Samsung is still broken in Home Assistant and other API integrations. [3]

[1] https://youtu.be/a4NJNdHqs_I?t=418

[2] https://community.smartthings.com/t/changes-to-personal-acce...

[3] https://github.com/home-assistant/core/issues/133623

Larrikin2• 1 year ago

As an Android user and developer, it's always annoying reading reviews where Samsung gets 9.5 out of ten and they give a terrible review to the competition because they have a slightly better camera. They give you a terrible Touch Wiz UI/whatever crap interface they switched to, change all the fonts, move around menu items and buttons, slightly change all the stock apps to be worse, push their garbage store, etc. Samsung Galaxy 1 was legitimately a good phone, but all the modern reviews just feel like author grew up with all the garbage that Samsung brings and thinks that is actually a good experience

KPGv2• 1 year ago

Samsung should be avoided like the plague anyway

I've avoided them for years. I had a Samsung phone a long time ago, and I'd rooted it to run one of those apps that could automate tasks (Tasker?), with a killer feature being when I turn my phone upside down, it goes on silent mode. Standard now, but back then wasn't possible on Android, and Tasker enabled it. And also some geofencing stuff. If I got a text while going faster than 10mph it would respond back "driving right now, will respond later."

Anyway, Samsung released an upgrade that I'd heard would eradicate root and make it impossible going forward. Something to do with Knox, a corporate way of locking down phones for employees.

I repeatedly declined to upgrade.

Finally, one night, with my phone in another room, it force-installed the update, with Knox, on my phone, wiping out my root, making it impossible going forward, and making Tasker worthless for me.

I've never given Samsung another cent. No company that will disobey me re my own property and will remotely hack my device and wipe out my content can be trusted, and that's essentially what they did.

For similar reasons, I've never given Sony any money since the rootkit scandal. 2025 marks twenty years of no Sony. I've probably unknowingly seen a few Sony films, but that's it. No electronics, no games, etc.

underdeserver• 1 year ago

Eh, I find that to be a stubborn attitude for no benefit. It doesn't really cost you anything to try, and if it's too expensive, how are you worse off?

SkiFire13• 1 year ago

Even if you know how much it costs, how can you be sure they won't increase the price later on?

autobodie• 1 year ago

Even if I know I am alive, how can I be sure I won't die later on?

brookst3• 1 year ago

Is there anything worthwhile that costs the same now that it did 50 years ago?

choilive2• 1 year ago

I don't think this is a concern. Zed and Zeta are both open source. Fork it, self host it, whatever.

spmurrayzzz3• 1 year ago

Absolutely. This is already what I've been doing myself. Forked zed so I could use my local rig (4x 3090) to do FIM completions using a finetuned qwen coder 32B.

Only barrier for some folks will be if they're not familiar with rust or local LLMs in general, but it really wasn't that difficult looking back on it. Amounted to about an afternoon's worth of work.

maxbrunsfeld2• 1 year ago

Just to clarify, you can run as many LSPs in a given file type as you want.

Common features like completions, diagnostics, and auto-formatting will multiplex to all of the LSPs.

Admittedly, there are certain features that currently only use one LSP: inlay hints and document highlights are examples. For which LSP features is multi-server support important to you? It shouldn't be too hard to generalize.

jermberj• 1 year ago

That's ... uh ... not what a rug pull is. They're telling you plainly from the jump that they're going to eventually charge for it. Point taken on your wish to wait, that makes perfect sense.

santoshalper2• 1 year ago

They're just telling you it's not going to be $0.00. It could be $5/year, $20/mo or anything else. It's the gentleman's rug-pull.

lionkor9• 1 year ago

I would love to edit my comment to instead say "having the rug pulled from under my feet", which is the feeling I was expressing.

bastardoperator2• 1 year ago

What kind of mentality is this? I remember before snapple was a widely known name they used to give out free bottles all over Los Angeles. I never thought to myself, I better not taste this free drink until I know the actual price.

santoshalper2• 1 year ago

Totally different. You aren't adjusting your development workflow based on a soft drink. If it weren't a rug-pull, why wouldn't they charge for it immediately, or at least tell us the price now?

They are specifically hoping you'll become dependent on it and then feel compelled to pay. This shit works because people like you believe it doesn't.

725686• 1 year ago

So if they let you try a Ferrari for free, you wouldn't because you might like it but you can't afford it? I would, even if I know I could never buy one.

lionkor9• 1 year ago

It's not like that, that's out of proportion I feel like. It's like you get to use a new phone for a week that makes your life much easier, and maybe has features you need. Then, it suddenly costs a little bit more than you can afford. That's the issue

tekacs• 1 year ago

From their overall FAQ:

Q: Will Zed be free?
A: Yes. Zed will be free to use as a standalone editor. We will instead charge a subscription for optional features targeting teams and collaboration. See "how will you make money?".
Q: How will you make money?
A: We envision Zed as a free-to-use editor, supplemented by subscription-based, optional network features, such as:

  - Channels and calls
  - Chat
  - Channel notes

  We plan to offer our collaboration features to open source teams, free of charge.

It seems to me that they're just going to charge for Zeta if they do, because it... costs them money to run.

Unlike others (e.g. Cursor), they've opened it (and its fine-tuning dataset!), so you can just run it yourself if you want to bear the costs...

They did something similar with LLM use, where for simplicity they gave you LLM use, but you could use them directly too.

tuananh4• 1 year ago

for Cursor, if you use OpenAI api key for example, it's kinda cripple because the tab edit model is also proprietary.

clint• 1 year ago

Not a rug pull. Just use it. If you like it and the price is too high. Don't pay it. What is the problem? Are you afraid that you'll like the feature so much that you'll pay whatever the cost?

1f60c• 1 year ago

I wonder what this means for Support using ollama as an inline_completion_provider https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/15968. ':]

I hadn't heard of Baseten before (it seems to be in a hot niche along with Together.ai, OpenRouter, etc.) but I'm glad I did because I was actually noodling on something similar and now I don't have to do that anymore (though it did teach me a lot about Fly.io!). Yay economies of scale!

greener_grass• 1 year ago

When developing something I tend to have lots of programs open:

- The editor

- Several terminal windows

- Some docs

- GitHub PRs

- AWS console

- Admin tools like PgAdmin

- Teams, Slack, etc.

When screen-sharing with Zed, do I only get to share the editor?

Because (clunky as they are) video call apps let me share everything and this is table-stakes for collaboration.

tombh• 1 year ago

I really want to like Zed, and their AI may actually be useful. But when I hear things like "new open model" I can only associate it with hype, which is more often about pleasing investors, not end users.

fau• 1 year ago

It's hard to care about AI features when a year later I still can't even get acceptable font rendering: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/7992

coder5436• 1 year ago

It doesn't seem like the issue has been entirely ignored: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/7992#issuecomme...

Out of the 55,000 people who have starred the repo (and countless others who have downloaded Zed without starring the repo), only 184 people have upvoted that issue. In any project, issues have to be triaged. If someone contributed a fix, the Zed team would likely be interested in merging that... the current attempt does not seem to have fixed it to the satisfaction of the commenters. To put priorities into perspective, issue 7992 appears to be in about 20th place on the list of most-upvoted open issues on the tracker.

hu3• 1 year ago

If font rendering on a text editor is not a priority I wonder what is. It seems to be AI.

as-cii4• 1 year ago

Hey fau, Zed founder here.

Apologies if that issue has taken a while to fix: next week is "quality week" at Zed and I am personally going to take a look at it again.

Thanks for the feedback!

sushisource• 1 year ago

While you're here...

https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/14203

Would be a massive win that's fairly narrow in scope. More generally, being able to send arbitrary LSP commands to the server and see the response, even if it's just a text dump, would be super useful.

Love the project! I would say the only thing stopping me from moving over full time is a Git porcelain, but I'm sure you guys know that. Keep up the great work!

mikebelanger• 1 year ago

I've been using Zed for a few months now. One thing I really like about Zed is its relatively discrete advertising of new features, like this edit prediction one. Its just a banner shown in the upper-left, and it doesn't block me from doing other stuff, or force me to click "Got it" before using the application more.

This definitely counters the trend of putting speech balloons/modals/other nonsense that force a user to confirm a new feature. Good job, Zed team!

barrell2• 1 year ago

I read this wrong initially — I thought you said one thing you __dislike__ about Zed.

I read the whole thing thinking, __oh my god they do exist__

walthamstow2• 1 year ago

Of all the AI aids, autocomplete is my least favourite, at least from my experience with Cursor anyway.

It takes me longer to review the autocomplete (I ain't yoloing it in) than it would have done to type the damn thing out. Loving Cursor's cmd+k workflow though, very productive.

hnfong• 1 year ago

It really depends on what you're using the code for. AI generated code is great for quick and dirty stuff you're going to throw away.

For example yesterday I wanted to read a small csv and dump the contents of the second column of each row into a separate text file. I took a quick glance at the AI generated python code and just ran it.

Saved me maybe 10 minutes of typing the code myself. Small and trivial win for AI, but it's still useful.

I do agree for production code it might turn out to be a net negative since AI is pretty good at producing code that looks fine but has subtle problems.

walthamstow2• 1 year ago

How did you prompt the code generation? With natural language or by beginning to write the code yourself? If the former, that is exactly what I am praising.

dankobgd• 1 year ago

ai is boooring, they should fix the core features before they add useless ai

salviati• 1 year ago

A majority of people thinks it's not useless.

What core features do you believe need fixing?

gonational• 1 year ago

Zed is putting so much focus into AI that their editor is falling apart:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43041923

rw_panic0_0• 1 year ago

nice to see they open sourced the model, and it seems relatively small so you can run it locally! Also, please change the video preview, it's hard to see the feature itself, not really obvious what is shown

dakiol• 1 year ago

Am I the only one who prefers stability instead of a constant rush of features in their text editors/IDEs? If it’s AI related I like them even less. I know I can stick forever with Vim, but damn, I tried Zed and it felt good.

Arch485• 1 year ago

Zed is amazing, and I definitely recommend it. That said, I will not be using their AI features, and if the editor turns into a slow, bloated monster because of them (like Visual Studio and anything made by JetBrains) I will have to ditch it.

awfulneutral2• 1 year ago

This just seems to be the way for code editors. We just have to switch every few years to the next one.

jswny2• 1 year ago

I agree. I actually use the AI features in Zed a lot, but there are things I really wish they would prioritize.

For example this issue that’s been open for about a year: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/10122

Editing large files is an incredibly common use case for an editor

anon7000• 1 year ago

The problem is that practically every company which can spend money is asking developers to explore AI development tools. It’s becoming a bare-minimum feature for many, which is why Cursor has exploded in popularity.

The other stuff is awesome and important (debugger when!?), but AI is becoming table stakes for even participating in the current tech economy. It’s all execs are talking about. So it’s not surprising they’ve prioritized this work

dgacmu2• 1 year ago

As a slight tangent, this prompted me to wonder about one of the things I _haven't_ enjoyed in my last two weeks of experimenting with zed: It tries to autocomplete comments for me. Hands off - that's where I think!

Fortunately, zed somewhat recently added options to disable these:

   "edit_predictions_disabled_in": ["comment"],
   "inline_completions_disabled_in": ["comment"]

My life with zed just got a little better. If I switch back to vscode I'll have to figure out the same setting there. :-)

fredoliveira• 1 year ago

FYI, it looks like inline_completions_disabled_in is no longer a thing :-)

dgacmu2• 1 year ago

Ahh, I see - it looks like in the newer version it is being replaced by just edit_predictions_disabled_in.

Thanks!

billwear• 1 year ago

hmm. company mode has been doing part of this job for a long time now.

idnty• 1 year ago

I like Zed as an editor and how they’ve integrated LLMs and supports variety.

But it’s mind boggling they still don’t have a basic file diff tool. Just why?

flkiwi2• 1 year ago

Because they've been too busy chasing the AI fad.

rs186• 1 year ago

As usual, AI has a higher priority than working on very basic stuff like creating a Windows build.

If you guys want to compete with VSCode, think again.

bobuk• 1 year ago

I agree with your irritation, perhaps this link will help https://github.com/deevus/zed-windows-builds

markus_zhang2• 1 year ago

I think the modern Intellisense has the right amount of prediction - offloads enough brain activity without completely relying on something else.

AI prediction feels way too much and way too eager to give me something. I don't know about you guys, but programming is an exercise for me, not just to make it work and call it a day.

However, AI would be useful if it can offer program structural and pattern recommendations. One big problem I now face, and I believe all hobbyists face too, is that when the program grows larger, it is becoming increasingly difficult to make it well structured and easy to expand -- on the other hand, pre-mature architecturing is also an issue. Reading other people's source is not particularly useful, because 1) You don't know whether it is suitable or even well written, and 2) Usually it is too tough to read other people's source code.

bennine• 1 year ago

but programming is an exercise for me, not just to make it work and call it a day.

The problem is that mid, upper management and execs don't much care for how we feel about it.

They are literally measuring who is using AI and how much and will eventually make it into an excuse for poor performance.

markus_zhang2• 1 year ago

Yeah I don't really mind using AI coding in work because it's boring as hell. And getting things done quicker is almost a virtue in the business world.

I should have clarified that my original comment is about side projects or serious software engineering.

minzi• 1 year ago

Still no debugger. I know there is a branch open, but it’s surprising to me that there isn’t a more concentrated effort on getting that over the line. Major props to the folks working on it. I just wish they had more resources and help getting it done.

Verlyn139• 1 year ago

that website is one of the most unresponsive one in a while

deagle503• 1 year ago

Does the mouse cursor still not hide while typing in Zed?

flkiwi2• 1 year ago

I'm not a developer, but I use Zed for a lot of things that would be ripe for "AI" application in the current bubble. I, however, have exactly zero use for AI in those cases, and will reconsider any application that pushes AI. It's both that I do not want to use AI features but also (a) I am prohibited from doing so and (b) the focus on deploying AI solutions raises serious concerns about a product's focus on and support of their core features. All of which is to say that Zed's AI features would be more valuable to me, and would drive quite a lot of good will, if they were an entirely removable module. No upsell notices, no suggested uses, just a complete absence of the functionality at the user's choice (like, say, an LSP).

choilive2• 1 year ago

You can turn all of the AI features off via the settings.

cameroncooper• 1 year ago

If the model is open source, I'm hoping for an option to be able to run this feature locally for free. They seem to have support for running other models locally (e.g. deepseek-r1 through Ollama), so I'm hoping they will keep that up with edit prediction.

barnabee• 1 year ago

Yeah, it's a deal-breaker if I can't run the model locally and/or have to sign up for their account.

daft_pink• 1 year ago

Is it on device? Github code completion works so well.

ekvintroj• 1 year ago

What a scam is this AI stuff.

gyre007• 1 year ago

Please add vim leader support to vim mode! :)

fultonb• 1 year ago

I got beta access to this and love it. It is much more useful than copilot by itself and very useful for an edit that is a little repetitive. I wish I could run the model locally and given that is open source and they have support for Ollama and other OSS tools, I feel like that would be an amazing feature.

lubitelpospat• 1 year ago

Dear Zed devs - please, fix the bug with the "Rename symbol" functionality! Refactoring is an important feature that many of your users need to have to start using Zed as their main daily driver. Otherwise - great IDE! Please, help me forever forget the VSCode nightmare!

Alifatisk4• 1 year ago

Is there any plans for Zed to add basic functionality like task runner? A button to run / debug code? Only having autocomplete for Java code gives the impression that Zed is only a text editor and not an IDE.

jswny2• 1 year ago

Zed already has built in task running… you can use the same thing to call anything that you want like a command to run your project. You can even add custom keybindings to them

https://zed.dev/docs/tasks

Alifatisk4• 1 year ago

I’m trying to find where I can have it as a button so every time I want to run / debug the code, I can press on it instead lf having it as a shortcut but I haven’t found a way.

samcat116• 1 year ago

Only having autocomplete for Java code gives the impression that Zed is only a text editor and not an IDE

Where did you get the impression they only have support for autocomplete for Java? AFAIK they support any LSP and this new feature is language independent.

Alifatisk4• 1 year ago

Where did you get the impression they only have support for autocomplete for Java?

I’ve used Zed.

zeta0134• 1 year ago

I have mixed feelings about the name of this model. :P Though I suppose it's my own fault, naming myself after a letter.

I'm admittedly a bit surprised that there's a free/paid scheme for a 7b model though, as those are small enough to run locally. I suppose revenue streams are enticing and I can't fault the company for wanting to make money, but I'm also 100% against remote models for privacy reasons, making this a bit of a nonstarter for me. Depending on how heavily integrated this is, the mere presence of a remote-first prediction engine sorta turns me off the idea of the editor as a whole. If there were the option to run the model 100% local (sans internet) then I'd be more interested.

vednig• 1 year ago

why can't this be a script, as in the old days, it looks like overkill, if you compare change vs compute/efforts, it would be nice to see it evolve though

vijaybritto• 1 year ago

There begins the downfall. Any great product who jumps on a hype train always ends up crashing

coder5436• 1 year ago

If anyone is interested, the release of Zeta inspired me to write up a blog post this afternoon about LLM tab completions past and future: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43053094

bionhoward• 1 year ago

My thoughts were, what are the terms, are you training on our code, are we able to use completions to compete with you?

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