Kimi Work

I have a UI I developed from first principles about 10 years ago, I use it to replace my os, its like my personal do everything emacs os but not at all emacs, and its funny to see other Uis iteratively convergence on it as context finally gets its due.

nubg• 2 days ago

What's your UI like?

dools• 2 days ago

Kimi Work apparently

wild_egg• 2 days ago

Is there a link anywhere for a docs site for this? Really curious to know what "deep data sources" they have set up for the Native Global Market Data feature.

alexjameson• 2 days ago

Most docs are here https://www.kimi.com/code/docs/en/kimi-code-cli/customizatio...

Not sure about the feature you mentioned but one can see in their app that they use IMF, World Bank, SEC EDGAR, and Yahoo Finance.

martin_drapeau• 2 days ago

The Pricing page shows all plans are sold out.

OsrsNeedsf2P• 2 days ago

Gotta generate that FOMO

jackbravo• 2 days ago

They say that they have too much demand so are stopping new subscriptions while they scale up: https://x.com/Kimi_Moonshot/status/2078855608565207130

Over the past 48 hours, demand has pushed close to the limits of our current capacity. To protect the experience of existing subscribers, we're temporarily pausing new subscriptions and prioritizing compute for current members. Existing subscribed users are not affected.
We're adding capacity as fast as we can and will reopen new subscription spots in batches.

9dev• 2 days ago

That might even be a beneficial move, creating (well, actual, not artificial) scarcity works well to draw interest usually. Curious how this one plays out.

EliasWatson• 2 days ago

Yea, they had so much demand for Kimi K3 that they hit the limits of their compute: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48969291

NetOpWibby• 2 days ago

First time I've ever seen something like this. Fascinating.

rvz2• 2 days ago

For the past 3 years, many software engineers were coping that AI (particularly LLMs) was only going after juniors. Given the documented history of mass layoffs related to AI from 2024 to today, it is clear that everyone including seniors and staff level folks are just as affected.

So let's just say, if your whole identity is for being a typical software engineer no matter the seniority and nothing else, perhaps it is time for you to reconsider options as of course 100% avoiding AI is futile at this point.

There will still be new jobs, but there will be no need for more excess people, even under Jevon's paradox. Software engineers were just the test bed for this and now there is an oversupply of SWEs without jobs in the market and will have to use AI tools like Kimi Work and Claude Cowork to be employable.

slopinthebag• 2 days ago

Do you actually believe this and are concerned about it?

rvz2• 2 days ago

First of all to reply to your deleted comment, yes this is completely relevant to the article.

As token costs drop significantly (thanks to local models and hosted Chinese models.) employers will consider using cheaper models like Kimi Work and others, even if they are already using expensive ones like Claude Cowork. They won't be able to operate without it.

Secondly, do I actually believe this? Of course, I already said that there will be more mass layoffs because of AI years ago. [0]

So this outcome was expected.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42490692

rootusrootus• 2 days ago

I have never been more sure about the viable future of software engineering as a career than I am after experiencing everything all the way up to and including Fable.

m3kw9• 2 days ago

It rubs me the wrong way that they have to copy everything, the UI is almost exact copy of Codex. The entire mind set of just copy the best is holding them back.

timothyduong• 2 days ago

Give them time, they'll work out their (Chinese UI/UX) groove just like they're working out EVs in the Chinese market. Copy first, improve and adjust later.

Loocid• 2 days ago

I hope they don't bring Chinese UI/UX to it. Native Chinese apps are a mess from a western perspective.

bluerooibos• 2 days ago

It rubs me the wrong way that they have to copy everything, the UI is almost exact copy of Codex

I'm sure OpenAI haven't copied or stolen anything without permission - oh wait a sec..

The US loves capitalism because it pRomOtEs cOmpEtiTion. Well, here's the competition you asked for, lads - suck it up.

Paradigm20202• 2 days ago

It's not about copy the best, it's about reducing friction for someone coming from a competing product.

Hence why everyone uses the same play, stop etc "buttons" / signs on "mediaplayers" whether virtual or real. [1]

Unless your user really trusts you / doesn't have an alternative reducing friction is better than being subjectively better [2]

[1] triangle, square etc...

[2] bottom placement versus top placement of browserbar on mobile phones... From an ergonomics perspective way better but from a UX experience worse... Hence chrome changed top to bottom but was forced to change it back on android, while apple forced their users from top to bottom and didn't have to move it back

qmr• 2 days ago

Just wire in "teh cloud!!1" to your local files.

What could go wrong?

asadm• 2 days ago

i mean don't mount your nudes to it?

cute_boi• 2 days ago

No linux? They should ask k3 to add linux feature lol.

kvisner2• 2 days ago

I wish they had some kind of US hosted option, NDR policy, or something like that. I love the price and power, but I have concerns around data sovereignty and leaking IP to an overseas company.

simlevesque• 2 days ago

It'll most likely land on Bedrock when the K3 weights are released.

nickthegreek• 2 days ago

Will it? Bedrock doesnt have deepseek v4, GLM 5.2, Qwen 3.6, minimax m3.

ilamont• 2 days ago

Same. No way I am uploading data to a PRC company. It's not just an IP issue ... there's a very high likelihood such companies will be restricted in the United States, even if they try "Chinawashing" stunts like Bytedance.

mrinterweb• 2 days ago

As soon as the K3 weights are published on July 27th, there will be many US providers hosting the model. I realize model hosting doesn't really apply to kimi work specifically, but in terms of accessing K3, there will be US options likely in 7 days. Just look at OpenRouter to see the providers hosting K2.6 https://openrouter.ai/moonshotai/kimi-k2.6.

ericpauley• 2 days ago

Looking at these pages reminds me of browsing jellybean components on DigiKey. Amazing for the consumer, but one does wonder: What are all these DotAI infra companies’ plans to justify any of their valuations if they’re just selling commodity compute on OpenRouter?

kvisner2• 1 day ago

Yea, but those aren't subscriptions with fixed costs. I'm wary of running my dev flow against a pay-per-token endpoint, since costs can easily explode doing that.

windsignaling• 2 days ago

I never really understood this sentiment. Some foreign company / government cannot do anything to me. My own government, on the other hand...

dwedge• 2 days ago

Often it's the law. I don't trust the EU more than I trust the US or China, but I also cannot transfer data outside of the EU

wepple• 2 days ago

A foreign company can’t steal your IP to build out competing products?

Or use source code to find novel vulnerabilities and deeply compromise your company?

postalcoder4• 2 days ago

kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow.

Like, I get it, before condex there was conductor and a ton of other guis but this looks like they just copied the code.

Also, their privacy disclosure is incredibly misleading:

How does Kimi Work protect my privacy when accessing local files? You have absolute control over your files. The built-in Ask before acting safeguard means Kimi will prompt you for explicit authorization before it modifies, overwrites, or runs code within your local directories. Nothing happens without your consent.

They fail to mention that is has unfettered read access to your files. ie, without your consent.

gruez3• 2 days ago

They fail to mention that is has unfettered read access to your files.

Isn't that totally expected of a coding agent? Otherwise it's like complaining dropbox "has unfettered access to your files".

postalcoder4• 2 days ago

Yes, but the answer is an indirection.

“How does Kimi Work protect my privacy when accessing local files?”

It doesn’t protect your privacy. It’s like asking, “how do I know you’re not spying on me?” And getting the reply “we cannot physically enter your house.”

questionableans3• 2 days ago

The repo you’re working on, sure. But all files?

anon373839• 2 days ago

It is, but I really think this project would be better as open source. They are already all-in on open for the most valuable part (the frontier model)! They might as well make the harness fully transparent so that questions about what's being accessed and transmitted can be avoided.

I personally wouldn't use any agentic harness from any company, American, Chinese, or otherwise, that is closed source. The Grok fiasco shows why.

preg_match• 1 day ago

This is why I run CC under podman.

digitaltrees• 2 days ago

I am more concerned about what happens to the file if I give permission.

Opensource and local are seeming like the only way.

cyanydeez2• 2 days ago

if your model ever touches bash, it has unfettered acess to all your files.

valleyer• 2 days ago

Not if the harness applies an OS-level sandbox to the process, as Codex does.

https://learn.chatgpt.com/docs/sandboxing?surface=cli

codemog• 2 days ago

How dare they copy the largest plagiarism machine ever created.

supriyo-biswas• 2 days ago

Everyone’s saying that it looks like Codex but TBH it just looks like all the AI chat websites on the side and some frequent actions on the top.

Danox• 2 days ago

Sharing among AI friends what’s the problem, scraping the Internet or hiring new employees between companies who like to share? It’s a tradition among the AI model makers…

homarp• 2 days ago

kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow.

Isn´t codex (edited) Apache 2.0 (thanks @Shank)

https://github.com/openai/codex ?

Shank• 2 days ago

No, it's Apache 2. https://github.com/openai/codex/blob/main/LICENSE

frollogaston• 2 days ago

I guess the issue is they didn't give attribution?

DominikPeters• 2 days ago

The CLI is open but the GUI is proprietary.

nozzlegear2• 2 days ago

kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow.

OpenAI's pigeons come home to roost

FooBarWidget2• 2 days ago

The Dutch have a saying: it's better to have stolen something well than to have invented something bad.

grg0• 2 days ago

Words to live by.

wasabinator• 2 days ago

Do we still fall for the China = must be spying, US = wouldn't spy unless it's disclosed?

It's fair to say whatever software you run from any country of origin is hoovering up as much data about you that it can get away with.

If you haven't compiled open source, audited code and are running on that, all bets are already off.

Lio• 2 days ago

You have almost no control with Codex or Claude in that you have to trust them not to break their own rules.

You have almost no control with Kimi either, they can also say one thing and do another. You will not be able to sue a Chinese company if it breaks the law.

I can think of no faster way to hand over your trade secrets or intellectual property than to run something like this.

I think success and dominance for agent providers will eventually come to which ever is able to best guarantee that they don't damage their customers businesses not the cheapest to run.

sourcecodeplz• 2 days ago

kimi has been particularly shameless in copying codex 1:1, wow.

so ????

LLMs by definition are copyright infringers. so this is nothing compared to that.

disiplus• 2 days ago

They all are pretty similar. And if it was copying anything, I would say more inspiration from claude desktop then codex. The Zcode is more like codex.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1JFfgfMO0nO7HR0WHwEqEEjXIIQj...

gandalfgeek• 2 days ago

wow -- "Let's take something off your plate" just copied word-for-word from the Claude Cowork UI.

And it is above the fold in their hero image!

dpacmittal• 2 days ago

Good. Anthropic, OpenAI, Google built their models by shameless training on works of millions of people without any compensation.

matesz• 2 days ago

That is an awful take. Although Silicon Valley's tech bros are shameless in their own way, there's no justification for symmetrizing the two.

ingvay7• 2 days ago

Looks like this can use webBridge, run Python and shell code in the background. Cowork can take over application UI as well which is still a differentiator (and a higher security risk) unless kimi offers it elsewhere.

bnfcl• 2 days ago

Pretty shameless copy, but also shows how easy it is to do so. OpenAI and Anthropic had first-mover advantage, but easy come, easy go.

fbrncci3• 2 days ago

Safe to say there is no moat.

adventured3• 2 days ago

You mean other than the zillion dollars of infrastructure you need to run these systems for a billion users. And the extreme cost to sustain that operation day to day. And the cost to upgrade the infrastructure forever.

Remind me which entities (govt or corporate) are going to subsidize that forever. Remind me which entities are going to front the cost just to scale up.

By that premise - wherein you forget everything other than the first ingredient (the model) - Google has no moat either (got $100 billion dollars lying around?). Nor does Uber (have tens of billions in your bank account to clone their business?).

I'm certain building an app (Uber), or building a search engine (Google), is the super duper hard part.

Slapping a GUI on Linux will kill Windows, any day now.

fabiofzero• 2 days ago

If this is what pops this bubble, I'll take it!

adamlangsner• 2 days ago

this landing page looks like a cheap ripoff of google's antigravity: https://antigravity.google/

OutOfHere3• 2 days ago

Who cares. Competition is good for the user even if it's built on plagiarism. The other site was probably designed using an LLM anyway. LLMs can in some aspects converge wrt their outputs.

dvduval• 2 days ago

The Chinese marketing blitz is on! Ha ha

Guess where the models are gonna be hosted? Hint, not China.

fHr• 2 days ago

China copying shit blatantly haha but winning surely

gizmodo59• 2 days ago

that looks exactly like the recent codex!

grandimam• 2 days ago

Is there an opensource version of such a tool. I would really like a desktop app and use different models instead of a CLI.

KronisLV2• 2 days ago

OpenCode has a desktop version, it's decent: https://opencode.ai/download

dizhn• 2 days ago

Try paseo.sh . It does need the CLIs (claude, opencode, pi etc) running but it is a great interface for desktop and mobile.

piker9• 2 days ago

It's a mistake to make this such an obvious copy. It will feed the narrative that Chinese entities cannot be trusted by the West. They could have varied it even slightly. It's one thing with hardware because customers don't need to trust suppliers any further than they can throw the box. But these labs seem to be battling for enterprise knowledge work-share. Trust is paramount, and they're already behind on that front. Own goal.

catigula2• 2 days ago

Narrative?

Kind of like the sphere Earth narrative.

BowBun• 2 days ago

Pedantic.

A narrative is a structured account of connected events, experiences, or ideas, commonly referred to as a story

Regardless of intent, it is how you tell your story.

prmoustache• 2 days ago

Copying is not frowned upon in the LLM ecosystem. This is its very reason of existence.

piker9• 2 days ago

Perhaps, but "we run the exact same business as Anthropic and OpenAI to the pixel at 0.1% the price" is going to raise eyebrows.

bko• 2 days ago

How to make an apple pie from scratch with no copying:

Step 1: invent the universe

kalcode• 2 days ago

Meh, we should just ignore that kind of propaganda. We copy things too, we use a system to protect IP because copying is such a normal and strong human thing to do.

In fact, when we don't discuss China, most find modern software patents and copyright to be abusive.

Finally, copying UX standards has been done for ages, it gives users a comfortable way to start using a product and instead of fighting that to be unique, some rather embrace it.

It can be jarring using so many different apps if each one tries too hard to be unique.

And this is my two cents, here it makes sense to have a similar interface, it's ultimately an app with chat sessions.

piker9• 2 days ago

I do agree with the UX idea of familiarity, but copying the exact salutations, etc. just seems egregious.

Why not let the model speak for itself and contribute to an open harness?

KronisLV2• 2 days ago

I wish they'd embed the Code UI as a tab, similar to Claude Code Desktop.

There's really no real reason for those tools to be separate and for them not to give me something a bit nicer than just a TUI in the terminal.

They already have a locally runnable web UI when you have Kimi (the CLI) installed: https://www.kimi.com/help/kimi-code/cli-getting-started

  kimi server run --foreground

Though it's ever so slightly broken (the sub-agent tracking stop button does nothing, some toggles in the Settings are not toggleable and so on, really slows down with long conversations to the point where keyboard input lags by seconds, think 600+ turns).

Personally, I still liked ZCode better and will probably write a blog post about my experience with K3 too, the harness might need some more work, but the model is really, really good.

wxw• 2 days ago

Kimi Work is a Local Agent designed for deep workflows. It mounts your local folders, navigates the web autonomously via WebBridge, runs Python code in the background, and executes scheduled tasks.

It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products (Codex especially, styling-wise), but I think Kimi's goal here is simply to appear on feature-parity with bigger labs. I doubt they'd want to invest much into designing a UI for "the future of agentic work" from the ground up.

Their bread and butter and claim-to-fame will continue to be low-cost, near-frontier models, for which they need to at least appear to have some app layer to plug into.

And, in some ways, duping is a great way to show people that even the app layer can be commoditized.

piker9• 2 days ago

In that case is there not some open harness that demand can coalesce around?

Maxatar• 2 days ago

There are but then you're required to pay API prices for them which can end up costing significant multiples of the price of the subscription.

Gigachad2• 2 days ago

Vs code copilot lets you bring your own api key for services like open router. But it usually only makes sense to do this with the Chinese models because OpenAI/Google/Anthropic heavily punish you for not using their proprietary lock in harness.

fttt3• 2 days ago

Yup they have a cost advantage.

They just need to be good enough and just copy.

Sorry american labs - it’s the beginning of the end.

OutOfHere3• 2 days ago

American labs will do fine with monthly subscriptions costing $20-300/month. They will not do fine for heavy basic LLM API calls -- it is for this that the cheap API produces substantial savings. Specialized niche provisions, e.g. excellent tool use, reliable structured output, reliable long context, cached and uncached web search, document reads, computer use, integrations, etc. also will take time for the foreign services to be good at.

stronglikedan• 1 day ago

No American corporations with thousands of users will do business with foreign labs, so the American labs will remain on top.

micromacrofoot3• 2 days ago

So much is invested in the huge American AI companies that China undercutting them with clones that work almost as well can actually hurt the US economy.

They're at the point where copying can get people 90% of what they want anyway, the moat is drying up.

stusmall• 2 days ago

If you remove the word "AI" from your post it also describes the last 20 or so years of US/Chinese economic competition. They are real, serious competitor but also there is a lot of value in that last 10%. Some buyers need the best and you can charge a premium for it.

The speed in which a copier can catch up to a leader is faster than every before, but everything is faster these days. I think the threat is if can these labs catch up and pass American labs while keeping costs low, but I don't see that happening.

adventured3• 2 days ago

China isn't undercutting anything. Kimi has to be hosted somewhere and is extraordinarily expensive to operate at Fable-levels of capabilities. The moat is (and will always be) the cost to actually operate these models, and that cost will continue to soar, it will not reverse, and the hardware will never keep up such that at-home use somehow becomes economical.

It's like releasing a cutting edge search engine, proclaimed to be on par with Google. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention, you need to actually run it somewhere. One of the core moats for Google has been the cost to scale and compete globally with a search engine, which only a few entities on earth could even attempt. Somehow the HN crowd forgets this every single time. The same claims were endlessly made regarding Uber, as though the app was the hardest part of competing with Uber. Here's a hint: the model isn't the only super hard part of the total process at this point. Try running something akin to GPT 5.6 for a billion users, see how much that costs.

The winners will be the owners of the subscriptions and API usage. That's going to be OpenAI and Anthropic as of now, possibly Google will stay in the fight with their scale advantage focused on the consumer. It will never be the open weight models out of China. Who is going to invest the trillion dollars into infrastructure needed to run the latest version of Kimi 3-5 years out, for a billion users? There's only one entity that would ever consider it, and that's China domestic.

And the real money (for a sustainable business model allowing for constant massive reinvestment & infrastructure maintenance) is in pairing up advertising, which is another spot where the open weight models from China will never compete. It doesn't matter if the HN crowd hates this outcome, nothing will stop it from being the future core of mass consumer usage. And the business use will stay with subscription + API use as well: the best option for that today is OpenAI and Anthropic.

TacticalCoder2• 2 days ago

Their bread and butter and claim-to-fame will continue to be low-cost, near-frontier models, ...

K3 is beating Fable on several benchmarks. So I take it you don't consider Fable 5 to be frontier.

What are the frontier models?

adventured3• 2 days ago

People endlessly claimed the same thing about DeepSeek upon its release. they claim it every single time a very large cutting edge model is released out of China. It's a combination of propaganda, some truth, and the faux open culture desperation to see big tech get destroyed (somehow better if big China takes its place instead).

thomasahle• 2 days ago

duping is a great way to show people that even the app layer can be commoditized

Everyone is already cloning the app layer. There are 30+ claude-code clone, and codex work already cloned cowork, grok and gemini is doing the same.

CookieCrisp• 2 days ago

I highly recommend to anyone that uses them a lot - try to clone your own. I’ve got mine fully formed into how I want it, with features I haven’t seen anywhere else yet and with integration into everything I work with. We’ve lived in a world where every app had to fit enough people well enough - but now we live in a world where an app can be molded to be absolutely perfect for just you!

dominotw• 2 days ago

But dont you have to be faithful to rl environment in which it model was trained in the harness?

only labs knows what the rl enviroment was so they will always be one step ahead.

w4yai• 2 days ago

It's clearly a dupe of Claude/Codex products

Have you seen Kimi Code ?

It's hard to believe it's a different code than Claude Code.

cadamsdotcom• 2 days ago

Some paradigms are simply ergonomic. Sometimes there's only one UX people will accept.

No one would buy a car steered with pedals; even if that is better (hey planes do it!) - every car maker is "copying" steering wheels and putting them on their cars. Is it controversial? If not why not?

mh-• 1 day ago

It wasn't controversial because there was about 200 years of prior art from sailing ships.

(Before the wheel, ships were steered with tillers - which early cars also tried, interface-wise.)

zkmon2• 2 days ago

I think we need to stop using the term "dupe" as if there was some originality somewhere that was not built upon or copied what already existed.

sdiepend• 2 days ago

"Everything is a Remix" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRHRUNpWzAY

QuantumGood2• 1 day ago

"Good artists copy, great artists steal, the best artists make lies seem true." – Steve Jobs.

Actually, Jobs self-servingly refactored then misattributed to Picasso the line,

  "Good artists copy, great artists steal."

Jobs did seem to properly remarket Picasso's intent, though, as Picasso had said:

  "When there's anything to steal, I steal."

  "What does it mean, an artist copies? It is normal. The important thing is to do it better."

  "Art is a series of masterly thefts."

marginalia_nu• 1 day ago

Taking inspiration is one thing, this is just a knock-off. The visual language is nearly identical. The difference is in whether you are building upon something else, or just copying it wholesale and contributing nothing of your own.

nonethewiser• 1 day ago

Please explain where frontier models were copied from. Have LLMs always existed?

the-mitr• 2 days ago

Copying and reinterpreting/reimplementing successful technologies and processes is the bedrock of human civilization

asdaqopqkq• 2 days ago

weird to all it a dupe, these are new paradigms, it's like saying BMW duped Mercedes Benz cause they both make stuff on 4 wheels

idontneedcoffee• 1 day ago

I want to believe I work on something creative in this space (even though, the current UI was never "meant to be" and (d?)evolved from a substrate of cheaply available UI components and laziness). THen again, much of the unorthodoxy actually comes from all the small(and big) usability nightmares that I can not bring myself to tolerate while working in a desktop environment(so, created new ones - like bitmap-based context trees ;)

Havoc2• 2 days ago

People saying copy aren't wrong...but if you can offer a copy at 1/5th of the price then you've got a winning product not a copy

JacobAsmuth• 2 days ago

Is Kimi 1/5th the price? Artificial analysis has it at the same price as GPT 5.6 Sol while performing worse.

vardalab• 2 days ago

Yeah, but maybe Kimi doesn't pretend to know better than I do. Like, I just had a task today where I had a silly form where I wanted to copy in a signature from one document to another document. And, you know, I could have just used some other dumb tools, but I decided, hey, let me us ask Codex to do it. But it started lecturing me on how we can't do this kind of stuff. And it was just pure silliness. So hopefully Kimi Work doesn't try to pretend that it knows better and lets me decide on ethics.

This blog post here summed it up the best. These are tools, so let them be tools.

https://geohot.github.io/blog/jekyll/update/2026/07/11/ai-20...

palata• 2 days ago

All bikes look the same, all cars look the same, all cameras look the same, all bridges, all dams, hell all smartphones look exactly the same! The whole goddamn point of UX is that you make something that is usable, and hence familiar to your users.

People who say "I was making GPUs before them, and they built their own GPUs that behave like GPUs so they copied me" don't understand how stuff is built. The hard part in engineering is not "imagining the high-level concept", it's actually making it work. Even if you can open electronics and study it to design and build your own, it requires a lot of expertise. And if you manage to do it, then you are an expert, period.

I'm sure many people find comfort in saying stuff like "You know what? I was a bit of a visionary because when I saw the first personal computer, I imagined that it would be cool if it could be orders of magnitudes faster and smaller such that it fits in a pocket". As if that was the hard part.

Typically, too many people spend a lot of time talking about UI and stuff like "unpacking" as if that was the most important part. But usually that's because they have no idea about how it works under the hood, so the only thing to discuss is whether the round edges are great or not.

xboxnolifes2• 2 days ago

A good UI/UX is noticed and appreciated by many. A great UI/UX goes completely unnoticed by most.

sixtyj3• 2 days ago

Winning product that can’t answer a simple question regarding Uyghurs or Tiananmen Square… it is a vulnerable product…

Havoc2• 2 days ago

I'd prefer it uncensored too but this objection was insightful in 2023. Everyone and their dog knows they're censored on topics sensitive to their country, much like western models are censored for western woke sensitivities. Nobody cares anymore as long as the reasoning is good and the price is low

nozzlegear2• 2 days ago

It's an open model, abliterated versions will appear on HF in the fullness of time.

shepherdjerred• 2 days ago

As opposed to Claude which has flagged:

- anything related to piracy

- legit security work (audit my infra, pentest it)

- disabling a safety mechanism on my food processor

- reverse engineering

- creating style guides inspired by other games/companies (for fan projects)

- questions about how nerve agents work and how they can be treated (for a layman)

gmerc• 2 days ago

Gmail won on price dumping and commoditising the complements, as did Facebook and Instagram and all of American Tech for two decades. They've just met an opponent able to beat their economics because their shareholders are less greedy. There's only one answer to this, same as for Facebook vs TikTok: Lobby for protection

iJohnDoe• 2 days ago

Will be cool until the AI goes ape shit and starts deleting all your files, wipes out your corporate file share, but not before uploading it all online.

Not saying Kimi will do this, but it's perfectly reasonable to expect this to happen, because there is really nothing anyone can do to prevent it. No, this is not meant to go in an isolated VM on a Linux box in a cheap VPS somehwere. This is meant for regular home users and corporate users to install on their primary system where all their personal and corporate data is available.

The above is a PSA (public service announcement) not just for Kimi, but also for GPT and Claude. If you don't understand how it's impossible to prevent the above from happening, then you should never use one of these tools.

dakolli• 2 days ago

Nobody actually producing hard goods, real world value and actual software are using these cute tools. Its completely worthless to people actually doing things.

bogdan2• 2 days ago

It's worthless until it isn't.

aliasxneo• 2 days ago

Has anyone cancelled their $200 ChatGPT subscription and started using Kimi? It'd be an interesting metric to measure. I for one have no motivation to use this model. Nonetheless, I'm always happy to see more competition.

sixtyj3• 2 days ago

There should be a benchmark re Tiananmen Square and Uyghurs among LLMs.

Grok answered, ChatGPT answered, Claude answered.

Chinese Z.ai replied “Content Security Warning: The input text data may contain inappropriate content“.

So it is nice that Kimi is cheaper but for what price?

HarHarVeryFunny2• 2 days ago

So for your Tiananmen questions go to Fable, and for the Fable-nerfed subject matter go to Kimi (or GLM, as Hugging Face were forced to do when they were recently hacked and the nerfed US models refused to analyze it).

literallywho• 2 days ago

I've been subbing to Claude for 2 years and somehow the questions of whatever happened in Tiananmen (I know already anyway) have never once came up, but Claude (especially Fable) is now famous for refusing to work on things people want. And even pushed back against me when I was doing asking to research some people famous (infamous) in Israel-Palestine conflict. I really don't get why these "chinese gotchas" are keep coming up in every thread, they are mostly entirely inconsequential to getting actual work stuff done while same can't be said about Fable or others. Once, Gemini refused to help me make an infographic about women in STEM because the specific woman I was doing research about has died a few years ago, other models had no such qualms. All these "gotchas" are quite arbitrary.

LAH0009• 2 days ago

Read the privacy policy.

robertheadley• 2 days ago

They already have a hosted version of openclaw

https://www.kimi.com › bot

bofadeez• 2 days ago

They're running like 10 tokens per second, constantly timing out, and launching new products?

How about deploy some inference GPUs first

dmix• 2 days ago

When they release Kimi Design and I'll consider moving over

scottfits• 2 days ago

while it's true the model layer is getting commoditized, there is absolutely no way we are migrating any serious enterprise workflows to Kimi work. i think chinese models will continue to have an adoption problem.

FooBarWidget2• 2 days ago

I'm kinda confused given that they're from China. The Chinese Internet is very different from the western Internet. The web is way smaller, and a lot of useful content is behind app-based walled ecosystems such as Wechat, Douyin and Xiaohongshu. This makes web automation much less useful. And I don't see them marketing something like Wechat automation?

angst• 2 days ago

so...GUI/closed source version of their @MoonshotAI/kimi-code TUI?

https://github.com/MoonshotAI/kimi-code

crypto_is_king• 2 days ago

Also known as the "Xi Jinpeng learns about your business" app.

mrmiraclebr• 2 days ago

I surely hope so!

2001zhaozhao• 2 days ago

I wonder when they are going to start realizing that on-premises self-hosted is the solution over local

aussieguy12342• 2 days ago

Agents are quite capable for any work involving CLI (not TUI) applications.

Seems to work for me to manage my emails. I have Proton Mail bridge and `mbsync` dumping all mail to a local folder, with an inotify watch script to react to new emails and classify them as either needing my attention (ignore) or something that does need my attention (send me a notification).

I've been looking for a good CLI spreadsheet editor

senectus1• 2 days ago

Not available for linux...

thats pretty disappointing.

fhub• 2 days ago

The most astonishing thing to me about the AI boom is that nobody really has managed to establish vendor lock-in. Switching is so easy.

N_Lens• 2 days ago

It's like this in the early days of any technology. It reminds me of the early days of the internet before everything became hyper optimised algorithms.

It's like the late stages of a monopoly game - it's not fun for anyone except the main winner.

aussieguy12342• 2 days ago

If history is anything to go by, in the next week we'll see a distill of GPT 5.6 or Mythos that is not as powerful as either, but pokes its head just in front of Kimi K3.

sara011• 2 days ago

I feel that Kimi’s overall design is quite similar to Codex, and I hope it can excel over Codex in certain functional aspects.

bogometer• 2 days ago

Am i the only one that is wary of connecting kimi to my desktop and filesystem. Very different beast than using its API via OpenRouter.

spstoyanov• 1 day ago

It's not only you, I am really curious about their data privacy.

AyanamiKaine• 2 days ago

You know what, all of the computer power and so. They still can’t vibe develop a Linux client.

nunodonato3• 2 days ago

this was my first thought...

EchooAI• 2 days ago

Someone knows how I can use Kimi from Pi Code Agent?

nunodonato3• 2 days ago

if you have an API key, its as easy as configuring any other model/provider

replete• 2 days ago

Amusingly, the WebBridge video demo[0] shows the model incorrectly including the answers into the question field

[0] https://www.kimi.com/features/webbridge

nunodonato3• 2 days ago

For anyone looking for truly open alternatives to desktop agent apps (like claude cowork), I suggest taking a peak at Goose: https://goose-docs.ai

ben8bit• 2 days ago

I'm surprised by the negative its-a-copy sentiment.

Of course it is. Just like Linear/Mailchimp/etc. (almost everything) are copies of other things. These harness+work apps are becoming a product category and I'm excited about this from the Kimi/Moonshot team. In the end, more competition in this space can only be good for the user.

ZackMomily• 2 days ago

The potential for local agents to handle the heavy lifting is incredible. When I'm deep in complex technical work, I rely on Taskai on my Android to capture all those small, distracting tasks that pop up so I can stay in the zone.

jkwang• 2 days ago

The local-first approach for agent workflows is compelling — keeping context on-device addresses real privacy concerns in enterprise settings. Curious how it handles long-running task state persistence.

jmacd• 2 days ago

Everyone calling this a copy is willfully overlooking that the major labs are nakedly copying each other AND smaller vendors constantly. Codex and Claude Code didn't just materialize at the same time. And frankly, they both copied Aider in the beginning.

Then there is reasoning itself.

Agent SDKs.

On and on.

This isn't a game of hide and seek. It's a race. The fact that Kimi is Chinese doesn't make their stride any more a copy than 90% of what the major labs are outputting these days.

JSR_FDED• 1 day ago

To me all these coding tools look indistinguishable from each other. If you changed the logo on one I wouldn’t notice.

BetterThanSober• 1 day ago

I wonder how those AI company can snatch a very good domains and how much did they pay, z.ai is just peak

chrisss395• 1 day ago

Has anyone tried this for things like Excel models and PowerPoints? And any reactions to how it compares to Claude?

I’ve seen lots of flashy examples, but a lot of knowledge work is not this, and more synthesis of sources and information in to structured content.

Kimi Work

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