Kagi News

https://blog.kagi.com/kagi-news

by grappler • 10 months ago

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medstrom• 10 months ago

One daily update: We publish once per day around noon UTC, creating a natural endpoint to news consumption. This is a deliberate design choice that turns news from an endless habit into a contained ritual.

Could you guys maybe print it on paper and send it to my physical mailbox, so I can do this ritual with breakfast? :-)

0xdeadbeefbabe• 10 months ago

I'd like mine shaped like a cylinder waiting on the door step.

lxgr2• 10 months ago

Make sure to make each page way too large to read it on public transit or a table in a cafe without having your seat neighbors join in on the fun :)

toomuchtodo• 10 months ago

Potentially relevant:

Guten: A Tiny Newspaper Printer - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42599599 - January 2025 (106 comments)

Getting my daily news from a dot matrix printer - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41742210 - October 2024 (253 comments)

sota_pop• 10 months ago

Why not release an editorial format designed to be printed, and you could just print it yourself?

buster2• 10 months ago

Kagi seems to be one of the few companies that put out services, genuinely trying to fix things with good intent. I hope it stays that way.

(I was very skeptical about Kagi Assistant but now i am a happy Kagi Ultimate subscriber).

jjice2• 10 months ago

I like assistant, but I use Claude directly mostly. It's handy for really quick stuff though.

I like that Kagi charges for their service, so their motive is to provide services for that cost, and not with ads on top of it.

captainkrtek4• 10 months ago

It feels much less slimy to pay a nominal fee for a service than it does to use a "free" service and wonder about how / to what extent your data is being exploited.

SOLAR_FIELDS2• 10 months ago

I used Kagi search for awhile but eventually switched back to google because Kagi location aware search sucks. It might be better nowadays. I’ve been living on their browser Orion for a few weeks now though and it’s great. It works about 90% of the time which is impressive for a browser that isn’t tested alongside the big 4

viraptor2• 10 months ago

What do you mean 90%? Orion is WebKit under the hood, so any failures would be surprising.

bobbylarrybobby• 10 months ago

I'm curious, aside from pricing, what utility do you get from Assistant that you wouldn't from just subscribing directly to a single LLM?

buster2• 10 months ago

Actually, i get the news search with a quick answer and a link to the assistent and not a single LLM but practically all LLMs in one interface and can link and share the chats. The Interface is nice, simple and Kagi is very up to date regarding new LLMs (it already contains Sonnet 4.5, for example).

It's just a nice interface for all LLMs which i often use on mobile or laptop for various work and also private tasks.

The last months have shown that there is no single LLM worth investing in (todays "top" LLM is tomorrows second-in-class).

Spivak2• 10 months ago

The Kagi implementation can use Kagi search and can use advanced features of search like lenses. This isn't a unique feature but if you believe Kagi search is better than whoever Anthropic/OpenAI are using it's a nice plus.

Kagi's contracts with LLM providers are the ones businesses get with actual privacy protections which is also nice.

flyer232• 10 months ago

KI multi-step asisstant. Being able to try out all the llms in one subscription. Search integration with Kagi which means AI can really search only pages I want. And my settings for search as well.

wiether• 10 months ago

subscribing directly to a single LLM

You get multiple LLM in a single interface, with a single login and a single subscription to maintain, all your threads stored at the same place, the ability to switch between models in a thread, custom models...

charcircuit3• 10 months ago

RSS is a strange choice in 2025. As a search engine they are in the position to extract things from web pages themselves. They already need this capability in order to properly rank the page.

ktosobcy2• 10 months ago

Why? I do use it and can't imagine following anything without it... And I keep hoping that it will come back and replace absolutely terrible schizophrenic feeds from meta/x/etc

charcircuit3• 10 months ago

Why?

Because not every site has a RSS feed. For example when Claude Sonnet 4.5 released it would make sense to have that, but there is no RSS feed for Anthropic. Being compatible with the entire web instead of just a subset of it is useful.

treetalker2• 10 months ago

For one, I welcome RSS (back) and say the more, the better. I much prefer to pull specific types of information at my own set intervals when I need them, instead of either having undifferentiated information pushed on me continuously like a blast from a fire hose, or having to reach out to manually check and filter many individual sources. The idea is to schedule my receipt and processing of the information, and then refine the stream itself as well as the intervals I use to view it and the total amount of time I spend on it.

I'm currently on the hunt for an RSS reader that has good filtering and sorting functionality, so I can (for instance) pull several feeds from only certain sources, but not see any posts/articles about terms A or B, yet see and sort any posts with term C by time, followed by either posts from source 1 with terms C and D, or posts from source 2 with terms E or F but not G, which would be sorted by relevance.

I know that's a complicated and probably poorly written explanation; but I'm imagining something like Apple Mail Rules for RSS.

charcircuit3• 10 months ago

I think Kagi's target audience is people who want to see news, and not people who want a RSS reader for news. The average person does not care how news gets to them. The fact that it uses RSS is a technical detail they should not have to worry about. Kagi should not be artificially restricting themselves to RSS feed when there is news that exists outside the RSS ecosystem which they should consider including.

anonymousd3vil• 10 months ago

I use RSS to get my information and I've built my own reader https://rahuldshetty.github.io/reader-project/ for it. It helps me stay upto date with my various news feed and sites at one place. I don't have to search for things in search engine all the time for a piece of news.

charv• 10 months ago

I love everything that Kagi has put out. The Orion browser rocks (recently replaced Brave, good riddance) and my go-to chatbot today is the Kagi Assistant with Kimi K2 connected to the internet.

I tended towards Axios but lately it's gotten a bit paywalled and less informative. Can't wait to incorporate Kagi News into my daily workflow.

ivanjermakov• 10 months ago

One daily update: We publish once per day around noon UTC, creating a natural endpoint to news consumption. This is a deliberate design choice that turns news from an endless habit into a contained ritual.

I might not agree with all decisions Kagi makes, but this is gold. Endless scrolling is a big indicator that you're a consumer not a customer.

ethbr12• 10 months ago

Endless scrolling is a big indicator that you're a consumer not a customer.

Someone recently highlighted the shift from social networks to social media in a way I'd never thought about:

> The shift from social networks to social media was subtle, and insidious. Social networks, systems where you talk to your friends, are okay (probably). Social media, where you consume content selected by an algorithm, is not. (immibis https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45403867)

Specifically, in the same way that insufficient supply of mortgage securities (there's a finite number of mortgages) led to synthetic CDOs [0] in order to artificially boost supply of something there was a market for.

Social media and 24/7 news (read: shoving content from strangers into your eyeballs) are the synthetic CDOs of content, with about the same underlying utility.

There is in fact a finite amount of individually useful content per unit of time.

[0] If you want the Michael Lewis-esque primer on CDOs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A25EUhZGBws

captainkrtek4• 10 months ago

Social media and 24/7 news (read: shoving content from strangers into your eyeballs) is the synthetic CDO of content, with about the same underlying utility.

This is a great way to put it. Much of the social media content is a derivative/synthetic representation of actual engagement. Content creators and influencers can make us "feel" like we have a connection to them (eg: "get ready with me!" type videos), but it's not the same as genuine connection or communication with people.

sph4• 10 months ago

CDO = collateralized debt obligation.

Please expand obscure acronyms, not everyone lives in your niche.

oezi• 10 months ago

I agree but I also would like to see yesterday's news. 12 articles is a little to few for me. I would like to come back every couple of days and review what happened.

ascagnel_2• 10 months ago

This is one of the big reasons I've gravitated towards a reverse-chronological feed that takes you from the past to the present -- at some point you hit a natural end, which is a natural prompt to go do something else. I've picked up Reeder[0] as a feed reader, since it can aggregate a bunch of sources (chiefly RSS, but also Mastodon, BlueSky, reddit, etc) and presents it in such a timeline without pressure to read everything.

[0] https://reederapp.com

crossroadsguy• 10 months ago

I am seeing this app mentioned after years. When did this one move to subscription model - it was a one time paid app? Found it - it's also available as Reeder Classic on mac app store.

Anyway, there's this https://netnewswire.com - https://github.com/Ranchero-Software/NetNewsWire (mac native) if someone is looking for an open source alt.

sjw987• 10 months ago

About a year ago I switched my news reading habits.

Now I just read the news on a Sunday (unless I'm doing something much more exciting). For the remainder of the week I don't read the news at all. It's the way my grandad used to read the news when he was a farmer.

I've found it to be a convenient format. It let's you stay informed, while it gives enough of a gap for news stories to develop and mature (unless they happen the day before). There's less speculation and rumours, and more established details, and it has reduced my day-to-day stress.

Annoyingly I still hear news from people around me, but I try to tune it out in the moment. I can't believe I used to consume news differently and it baffles me why I hear of people reading/watching/listening to the news 10+ times per day, including first thing when they awaken and last thing before they sleep. Our brains were not designed for this sort of thing.

tethys2• 10 months ago

I am not so sure. It currently highlights a story from Munich, and in addition to a few factual errors, the information is simply outdated; there have been numerous new relevant developments. (I also don't understand the selection of sources. Aljazeera? rt.com? South China Morning Post? As if there weren't enough sources of original reporting right from Germany.)

I would agree that a single daily news update is useful (and healthy), but this must also be reflected in the choice of topics and the type of reporting.

atonse5• 10 months ago

I LOVE this. The app feels very clean, the data's presented beautifully, and it hasn't been enshittified yet. And hopefully never will, because I pay Kagi in hopes that they don't.

I feel this is what Apple News should've been. Instead it's just god-awful ad-filled mess of news articles. And the only reason I have it is because of Apple One. But it is a clearly neglected product.

I also pay for ground news but it hasn't met my expectations, mostly because there's a lot of redundancy with wire stories. Like it'll show 50 sources but they're all just regurgitating the same AP or Reuters article. So it skews the "bias"

laweijfmvo• 10 months ago

sites like these make me realize that i’m not all that interested in “news”, which might be a personal fault, but also makes you wonder what all the other “”news”” sites have been doing to capture my attention...

ChrisArchitect• 10 months ago

Is this an annoucement or just a promotion?

Bunch of discussion here 3 months ago? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44518473

graynk2• 10 months ago

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44519356

It was in beta then.

smoothbenny• 10 months ago

Judging by the newly available categories it looks like they may have paid attention to some early feedback :)

chrisweekly• 10 months ago

Happy paying Kagi subscriber here. Rock on, Kagi.

daveoc64• 10 months ago

The World section seems to have a heavy bias towards news from the USA.

The UK section seems to have a heavy bias towards news from Scotland.

It looks too simplistic for me to actually use.

baggachipz3• 10 months ago

Several sections have Trump in the headline. I wish there was a way to block that word like I do in Lemmy. That guy monopolizes the headlines which only makes him more powerful, and annoys me. I'll see whether I can take this when I use this new app, which I otherwise think is great.

lblume3• 10 months ago

Surely it isn't that simple. Even a person who thoroughly condemns Trump's hijacking of media systems and attentions must acknowledge that if international politics are at all relevant for you, some actions of the US president should be seen by you, if only in exceptional circumstances.

MostlyStable2• 10 months ago

This comment[0] suggests that they have some kind of a filter

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45427513

freediver8• 10 months ago

It is possible to block news by keywords, see settings (I believe in the web app currently only)

Guillaume86• 10 months ago

The Belgian section has no french language articles, they still need to work some things out but I welcome the idea.

user_7832• 10 months ago

Mini feedback - it appears to report google news results as if from google and not the website in question (Wired in my case, the snapdragon x2 elite article).

Apart from that, it's really nice! Good job, kagi team!

msravi• 10 months ago

Very skeptical that this would work for me. None of the topics that Kagi chooses to "cover" in their seven or so stories for the day resonates with what I'd want to read. That's exactly why we have feeds that you can tune to your tastes and so on. Getting rid of endless scrolling and such might be a good thing though.

__jonas6• 10 months ago

Just to be clear I'm understanding correctly:

This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks?

I'm asking because that is what it looks like, but AI / LLMs are not specifically mentioned in this blog post, they just say news are 'generated' under the 'News in your language' heading, which seems to imply that is what they are doing.

I'm a little skeptical towards the approach, when you ask an LLM to point to 'sources' for the information it outputs, as far as I know there is no guarantee that those are correct – and it does seem like sometimes they just use pure LLM output, as no sources are cited, or it's quoted as 'common knowledge'.

devmor• 10 months ago

The line “news stories will be generated” throws up red flags across the horizon for me.

That’s not news. That’s news-adjacent random slop.

input_sh5• 10 months ago

It's also a workaround around copyright, news sites would be (rightfully) pissed if you publicly post their articles in full and would argue that you're stealing their viewership. But, if you're essentially doing an automatic mash-up of five stories on the same topic from different sources, all of a sudden you're not doing anything wrong!

As an example from one of their sources, you can only re-publish a certain amount of words from an article in The Guardian (100 commercially, 500 non-comercially) without paying them.

amarant4• 10 months ago

And yet, after trying it, I have to admit it's more informative and less provocative than any other news source I've seen since at least 2005.

I don't know how they do it, and I'm not sure I care, the result is they've eliminated both clickbait and ragebait, and the news are indeed better off for it!

mvieira382• 10 months ago

Yes, that's what it is. Kagi as a brand is LLM-optimist, so you may be fundamentally at odds with them here... If it lessens the issue for you, the sources of each item are cited properly in every example I tried, so maybe you could treat it as a fancy link aggregator

meowface• 10 months ago

I consider myself a major LLM optimist in many ways, but if I'm receiving a once per day curated news aggregation feed I feel I'd want a human eye. I guess an LLM in theory might have less of the biases found in humans, but you're trading one kind of bias for another.

leephillips• 10 months ago

Hard pass then. I’m a happy Kagi search subscriber, but I certainly don’t want more AI slop in my life.

I use RSS with newsboat and I get mainstream news by visiting individual sites (nytimes.com, etc.) and using the Newshound aggregator. Also, of course, HN with https://hn-ai.org/

NobodyNada• 10 months ago

I'm about as AI-pessimist as it gets, but Kagi's use of LLMs is the most tasteful and practical I've seen. It's always completely opt-in (e.g. "append a ? to your search query if you want an AI summary", as opposed to Google's "append a swear word to your search query if you don't want one"), it's not pushy, and it's focused on summarizing and aggregating content rather than trying to make it up.

freediver8• 10 months ago

Kagi as a brand is LLM-optimist

Kagi founder here. I am personally not an LLM-optimist. The thing is that I do not think LLMs will bring us to "Star Trek" level of useful computers (which I see humans eventually getting to) due to LLM's fundamentally broken auto-regressive nature. A different approach will be needed. Slight nuance but an important one.

Kagi as a brand is building tools in service of its users, no particular affinity towards any technologies.

BeetleB7• 10 months ago

It's not binary - it's a continuum.

When you go to Google News, the way they group together stories is AI (pre-LLM technology). Kagi is merely taking it one step further.

I agree with your concern. I see this as a convenient grouping, and if any interests me I can skip reading the LLM summary and just click on the sources they provide (making it similar to Google News).

philipwhiuk• 10 months ago

Kagi is merely taking it one step further.

I would argue creating your own summary is several steps beyond an ordering algorithm.

krainboltgreene2• 10 months ago

It cannot be "one step further", because there's a clear break in reality between what Google News provides and Kagi provides. Google News links to an article that exists in our world, 100%, no chance involved. Kagi uses an LLM generate text and thus is entirely up to chance.

timeon• 10 months ago

When you go to Google News

You don't and you should not use this one either.

bigstrat2003• 10 months ago

Thanks for pointing out that this is yet more AI slop. Very disappointing for Kagi to do this. I get my money's worth from searches, but if I was looking for more features I would want them to be not AI-based.

atonse5• 10 months ago

I'm genuinely asking, but have you tried it? https://kite.kagi.com

It actually seems more like an aggregator (like ground.news) to me. And pretty much every single sentence cites the original article(s).

There are nice summaries within an article. I think what they mean is that they generate a meta-article after combining the rest of them. There's nothing novel here.

But the presentation of the meta-article and publishing once a day feel like great features.

__jonas6• 10 months ago

I have yeah, to me it looks like what I described in my comment above, it's LLM generated text, is it not?

And pretty much every single sentence cites the original article(s).

Yeah but again, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think asking an LLM to provide a source / citation yields any guarantee that the text it generates alongside it is accurate.

I also see a lot of text without any citations at all, here are three sections (Historical background, Technical details and Scientific significance) that don't cite any sources: https://kite.kagi.com/s/5e6qq2

hadlock• 10 months ago

Publishing once a day to remove the "slot machine dopamine hit" is worth it for that alone. I have forever been looking for a peer/replacement to Google News, I was about to pony up for a Ground News subscription but I'll probably hold off for a couple more months. Alternatives to google news have been sorely lacking for over a decade, especially since google news got their mobile-first redesign which significantly and permanently weakened the product to meet some product manager's bonus-linked KPI. One more product to wean off the google mothership. Gmail is gonna be real hard though.

imiric5• 10 months ago

I'm firmly on the side of "AI" skepticism, but even I have to admit that this is a very good use of the tech. LLMs generally do a great job at summarizing text, which is essentially what this is. The sources could be statically defined in advance, given that they know where they pull the information from, so I don't think the LLM generates that content.

So if this automates the process of fetching the top news from a static list of news sites and summarizing the content in a specific structure, there's not much that can go wrong there. There's a very small chance that the LLM would hallucinate when asked to summarize a relatively short amount of text.

threetonesun• 10 months ago

We used to do this with a human created meta tag but I guess this is better?

input_sh5• 10 months ago

It's useful for the users, but tragically bad for anyone involved with journalism. Not that they're not used to getting fucked by search engines at this point, be it via AMP, instant answers, or AI overviews.

Not that the userbase of 50k is big enough to matter right now, but still...

__jonas6• 10 months ago

I see! One thing I'm wondering: They say they are fetching the content from the RSS feeds of news outlets rather than scraping them, I haven't used RSS in a bit, but I recall most news outlets would usually not include the full article in their feed but just the headline or a small summary. I'd be worried that articles with misleading headlines (which are not uncommon) might cause this tool to generate incorrect news items, is that not a concern?

saghm• 10 months ago

If the parent commenter is correct, the concern I'd have would be about transparency. Even if it's good at what it does, I don't think we're anywhere close to a place as a society where it shouldn't be explicit when it's being used for something like this.

zwnow• 10 months ago

This also is a really ignorant approach to data poisoning issues in the LLM space. LLMs can easily be misused as propaganda machines...

doublerebel• 10 months ago

Disappointing. Non-LLM NLP summarization is actually rather good these days. It works by finding the key sentences in the text and extracting the relevant sections, no possibility for hallucination. No need to go full AI for this feature.

tene80i• 10 months ago

That’s interesting. Could you share an example or a resource about this?

raincole2• 10 months ago

Kagi is probably the only pro-LLM company praised on HN. Perhaps people's hatred towards Google outweighs that of LLM.

Imagine if Google news use LLM to show summaries to the users without explicitly saying it's AI on the UI.

Ironically, one of the first LLM-induced mistakes experienced by average people was a news summary: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cge93de21n0o.amp

JohnFen2• 10 months ago

Kagi is probably the only pro-LLM company praised on HN.

Kagi made search useful again, and their genAI stuff can be easily ignored. Best of both worlds -- it remains useful for people like myself who don't want genAI involved, but there's genAI stuff for people who like that sort of thing.

That said, if their genAI stuff gets to be too hard to ignore, then I'd stop using or praising Kagi.

That this is about news also makes it less problematic for me. I just won't see it at all, since I don't go to Kagi for news in the first place.

kiicia• 10 months ago

It also publishes normal unabridged rss feed that you can read with rss reader of your choice, it looks like great news source

jama2115• 10 months ago

I am fine with it using AI but it makes me feel pretty icky that they didn’t mention that this was ai/llm generated at any point in this article. That’s a no-no IMO, and has turned me off this pretty strongly.

stavros6• 10 months ago

Why do you care what technology was used to generate the summaries? What if they had used their old NLP summarizer?

whatamidoingyo• 10 months ago

when you ask an LLM to point to 'sources' for the information it outputs, as far as I know there is no guarantee that those are correct

A lot of times when I ask for a source, I get broken links. I'm not sure if the links existed at one point, or if the LLM is just hallucinating where it thinks a link should exist. CDN libraries, for example. Or sources to specific laws.

CaptainOfCoit2• 10 months ago

A lot of times when I ask for a source,

They'll do pretty much everything you ask of them, so unless the text actually come from some source (via tool calls, injecting content into the context or other way), they'll make up a source rather than doing nothing, unless prompted otherwise.

nicbou• 10 months ago

I monitor 404 errors on my website. ChatGPT frequently sends traffic to pages that never existed. Sometimes the information they refer to has never existed on my website.

For example: "/glossary/love-parade" - There is no mention of this on my website. "/guides/blue-card-germany" has always been at "/guides/blue-card". I don't know what "/guides/cost-of-beer-distribution" even refers to.

lxgr2• 10 months ago

If you need to ask for a source in the first place, chances are very high that the LLM's response is not based on summarizing existing sources but rather exclusively quoting from memory. That usually goes poorly, in my experience.

The loop "create a research plan, load a few promising search results into context, summarize them with the original question in mind" is vastly superior to "freely associate tokens based on the user's question, and only think about sources once they dig deeper".

skysthelimitt• 10 months ago

i believe an llm output is fine for giving an overview if provided the articles, if you want a detailed overview you should be reading the articles anyways.

j2kun• 10 months ago

This seems like the opposite of "privacy by design"

Privacy by design: Your reading habits belong to you. We don’t track, profile, or monetize your attention. You remain the customer and not the product.

But the person running the LLM surely does.

m4r71n• 10 months ago

How would the LLM provider get any information about your reading habits from the app? The LLM is used _before_ the news content is served to you, the reader.

ivape• 10 months ago

ML did not figure out every solution on planet earth. It figured out the LLM, and that is the giant's shoulder most apps will stand on.

Harmon758• 10 months ago

Just for concrete confirmation that LLM(s) are being used, there's an open issue on the GitHub repository, on hallucinations with made up information, where a Kagi employee specifically mentions "an LLM hallucination problem":

https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/issues/97

There's also a line at the bottom of the about page at https://kite.kagi.com/about that says "Summaries may contain errors. Please verify important information."

jazzyjackson• 10 months ago

Love how it only took 8 years to go from "Fake News!" to "News May Be Fake"

bbor• 10 months ago

To take a moment to be a hopeless Stan for one of my all-time favorite companies: I don't think the summary above yours is fair, and I see why they don't center the summary part of it.

Unlike the disastrous Apple feature from earlier this year (which is still available, somehow!), this isn't trying to transform individual articles. Rather, it's focused on capturing broader trends and giving just enough info to decide whether to click into any of the source articles. That seems like a much smaller, more achievable scope than Apple's feature, and as always, open-source helps work like this a ton.

I, for one, like it! I'll try it out. Seems better than my current sources for a quick list of daily links, that's for sure (namely Reddit News, Apple News, Bluesky in general, and a few industry newsletters).

MarcelOlsz• 10 months ago

Man am I tired of this stuff.

viraptor2• 10 months ago

when you ask an LLM to point to 'sources' for the information it outputs,

Services listing sources, like Kagi news, perplexity and others don't do that. They start with known links and run LLMs on that content. They don't ask LLMs to come up with links based on the question.

__jonas6• 10 months ago

That is what I mean yeah, I’m not saying it’s fabricating sources from training data, that would obviously be impossible for news articles, I’m saying if you give it a list of articles A, B and C including their content in the context and ask ‘what is the foo of bar?’ and it responds ‘the foo of bar is baz, source: article B paragraph 2’, that does not tell you whether the output is actually correct, or contained in the cited source at all, unless you manually verify it.

Onavo• 10 months ago

Yes, they are not the only player here. Quite a few companies are doing this, if you use Perplexity, they also have a news tab with the exact feature set.

xpe3• 10 months ago

if you use Perplexity, they also have a news tab with the exact feature set

"Exact" is far from accurate. I just did a side-by-side comparison. To name only two obvious differences:

A. At the top level, Perplexity has a "Discover" tab [1] -- not titled "News". That leads to a AAF page with the endless-scroll anti-pattern (see [2] [3] for other examples). Kagi News [4] presents a short list of ~7ish items without images.

B. At the detail-page level, Kagi organizes their content differently (with more detail, including "sources", "highlights", "perspectives", "historical background", and "quick questions"). Perplexity only has content with sources and "discover more". You can verify for yourself.

[1] https://www.perplexity.ai/discover

[2] https://www.reddit.com/r/rant/comments/e0a99k/cnn_app_is_ann...

[3] https://www.tumblr.com/make-me-imagine/614701109842444288/an...

[4] https://kite.kagi.com

rldjbpin• 10 months ago

After using Perplexity, its news tab is US-centric, without much options to get regional content from what i can see.

Kagi seems to offer regional news and the sources appear to be from the respective area also. do appreciate public access (for now?) with RSS feeds (ironic but handy).

coffeefirst• 10 months ago

Yeah. I really like Kagi. This is a terrible idea.

1. It seems to omit key facts from most stories.

2. No economic value is returned to the sources doing the original reporting. This is not okay.

3. If your summary device makes a mistake, and it will, you are absolutely on the hook for libel.

There seem to be some misunderstandings about what news is and what’s makes it well-executed. It’s not the average, it’s the deepest and most accurate reporting. If anyone from the Kagi team wants to discuss, I’m a paying member and I know this field really, really well.

scosman• 10 months ago

Thank you. Also a paying Kagi user because I like the idea that it’s worth it to pay for a good service. Ripping off journalists/newspapers content goes against that.

jmenter• 10 months ago

It’s not the average, it’s the deepest and most accurate reporting.

Yes! I'm also a paying member but I'm deeply suspicious of this feature.

The website claims "we expose readers to the full spectrum of global perspectives", but not all perspectives are equal. It smacks of "all sides" framing which is just not what news ought to be about.

mediumsmart• 10 months ago

Maybe you should read the article before you assume how it works. It’s pretty clear and AI is specifically mentioned.

__jonas6• 10 months ago

You’re being presumptuous. I read the article yesterday and there was no mention of AI or LLMs, they have changed it, which is good.

https://web.archive.org/web/20250930154005/https://blog.kagi...

torben-friis2• 10 months ago

I just don’t understand what this brings into the picture. Presumably your newspaper of choice already has

A) redacted the news in a format that is read friendly

B) set up a page with prioritized news

Because _that’s what a newspaper is_.

What extra value is gotten from a AI rewrite? At best is a borderline noop, at worst a lossy transformation (?)

raxxorraxor• 10 months ago

I guess they embed the news of the day and let it summarize it. You can add metadata to the training set, which you should technically query reliably. You don't have to let the model do the summarization of the source, which can be erroneous.

Far more interesting is how they aggregate the data. I thought many sources moved behind paywalls already.

hendersoon• 10 months ago

I would love to replace google/apple news, but publishing once daily doesn't work for me.

lblume3• 10 months ago

Why not? Is it really that important for you to know of events a few hours earlier?

hagbard_c• 10 months ago

Nextcloud News works just fine, is free, is as biased as the feeds you configure and no more, does not (yet...) introduce/intrude LLM slop, is free software (beer/freedom) and has been around for a long long time. You can configure it any way you want, the default update interval is 5 minutes which should be enough for even the most FOMO-affected 'news' junkie. Of course the actual updates depend on the RSS sources but if you configure a number of active feeds you'll get updates every few minutes.

https://github.com/nextcloud/news

hootguy• 10 months ago

Ground offers a paid service that summarizes a broad range of sources and intentionally helps you escape your filter bubble, https://ground.news/.

xetera• 10 months ago

I'm just waiting for whatever shady practice or controversy behind this infinite YouTube sponsorship is to finally come out like all the others have.

smlacy• 10 months ago

This looks awesome, but there's absolutely no way I'm installing an app for this, sorry.

treetalker2• 10 months ago

So don't! kite.kagi.com.

mac-attack2• 10 months ago

Big news junkie but I don't feel the need to buy into Kagi's ecosphere personally as a SearXNG user. The article touches on signal over noise and I have found two solutions that work for me as a news junkie:

News Minimalist [1] and Boring Report [2]. Both aggregate news and (IMO) most importantly provide links from multiple outlets for the same stories. Really made me notice the clickbait and allows me to be more selective in choosing reputable sources.

Both use AI, with the former ranking news based on importance, while the latter summarizes articles. (That doesn't feel useful for supporting journalism as a whole so I typically click through and read the articles unless I don't like the outlet reporting)

[1] https://www.newsminimalist.com/

[2] https://www.boringreport.org/app

leakycap• 10 months ago

News Minimalist with the cute turtle header has become my daily "newspaper"

Both use AI, with the former ranking news based on importance

I like this! If I'm in a rush, I check for very high priority stories. Usually there are 3 or even none. Done!

On days I want to sit back and read, it provides nice sources.

not--felix• 10 months ago

I'm biased because I build my own RSS reader[0] and I feel that with this approach the thing I love the most about RSS, to follow small niche sources gets lost. That said, I think for big news it could be great.

[0] https://ivyreader.com

clcaev• 10 months ago

What is the business model / exit strategy for Kagi's founders and investors? What is the news curation process and its relation to the public interest?

Are these articulated in a manner which gives stakeholders (investors, users, and staff) assurances and standing?

...

What are competitors and collaborators in this space? Semafor seems to have a similar product, what are the differentiators and/or collaboration opportunities?

...

Netflix was subscription only, till it was "pay to get rid of ads". Then there is the whole business of profiling customer interest, etc.

We have product labeling for food, why not web services?

cogman103• 10 months ago

And just like Netflix, if kagi turns into paid Google I'll cancel my subscription.

IDK what their future plans are, but there current plans work well for me as a consumer.

hereme888• 10 months ago

Read the "About" section of the page.

guilamu• 10 months ago

Looks pretty good at first sight.

However, I set my feed up on the web app, seeing that it should sync on "all my devices".

Next, I installed the Android app, and mybe I missed something, but I don't see any way to connect to my Kagi account.

So much for syncing...

dani_kagi2• 10 months ago

Thanks for the feedback, it's on our list.

e402• 10 months ago

I'm not affiliated, but I've used https://www.memeorandum.com/ for more than a decade.

Gives me a good high-level view of the news. I'm a Kagi customer and I definitely don't want anything they do with the news.

bdunks• 10 months ago

I'm a Kagi customer and I definitely don't want anything they do with the news.

Can you expand on why?

corysama• 10 months ago

Can anyone in here explain why there are so many vague "I don't trust Kagi" comments in here? I don't know who they are. And, I haven't seen anyone expand on why.

e402• 10 months ago

It's not their lane. There are other solutions that exist which are fine. Maybe I was too quick to judge, I don't know. Maybe I'll be surprised in a good way.

tolerance• 10 months ago

This is it. This the one. How have I never heard of this and its related services? It looks perfect. Your own blog is interesting too.

rsingel2• 10 months ago

Gabe Rivera has been doing that right for almost 20 years.

If you haven't seen it there's also an amazing feature that you can go back and see the homepage as it was from any point in time in the last 20 years

joshstrange• 10 months ago

I wish there was a way to look at a previous day's news. I can't seem to find any buttons/UI that lets you look at news from any day but today.

BeetleB7• 10 months ago

That's a good idea. If they implement it, I would however suggest putting a limit on to it - perhaps only let you see the news within the last week/month.

luxurytent2• 10 months ago

This seems to go against the principle of the product (see endless scroll)

If you missed a day of news, whatever was really important will re-surface in today's news (major world incident)

Otherwise, perhaps what was missed is noise!

khaleel-kagi3• 10 months ago

We've Time Travel feature coming soon to both the web and mobile apps. It'll allow you to browse the stories from any date since we started aggregating news ;)

andhuman• 10 months ago

Nice idea, I’ve been toying around the idea of consuming news only once per day. But for me I think I want an actual newspaper with in depth articles rather than short news posts from online news.

imiric5• 10 months ago

I've been using this since the beta launch, and I really like it. They're spot on about news being broken.

That said, I do think the service could be improved. Often the summary is a very short blurb that forces me to go to one of the original sites for the content, and hopefully land on one that is not obnoxious to use, which kind of defeats the purpose. The event timeline sounds interesting, but when it essentially shows 2 or 3 events that are obvious from the context, it's not so useful in practice. I always skip the "Quick questions" section, since it reads like an elementary school report, and the questions are really basic. How about letting me ask the questions I want?

Also:

We don’t scrape content from websites. Instead, we use publicly available RSS feeds that publishers choose to provide.

I think this is a mistake. Most publishers are hostile to RSS and often don't offer it. Scraping is, unfortunately, a requirement if you want to consume public content on your own terms, which is the entire point of this service. Besides, scraping is how all search engines generate their index, so as long as the bot is well behaved and doesn't hammer the site, follows robots.txt or perhaps even bends the rules a bit, it should be fine. I would rather Kagi wasn't so respectful of publishers' wishes, if that would allow them to offer a better service. I understand if they want to avoid getting in trouble with publishers, but the alternative would be better for their users.

rfarley04• 10 months ago

lol I added 'trump', 'republican', and 'democrat' as custom filter keywords and now it's showing zero stories in the USA category. So apparently, that category is a stand in for politics? Although I have the Thai category enabled (since I live there) and that's all run of the mill national (non political) news.

Nice release nonetheless!

insane_dreamer2• 10 months ago

It’s probably hard to find an article these days that doesn’t mention one of those words (except maybe celebrity gossip). The world we live in.

BeetleB7• 10 months ago

In other words, this is exposing a long standing flaw in journalism. I know things are super polarized now, but even 20 years ago, when mentioning a Congressperson regarding a particular social problem, they would specify if he was a Democrat/Republican.

I really don't need to know which party he is part of. If the article was about a party's stance, it makes sense - but the article is about one politician.

CGMthrowaway• 10 months ago

I checked a few news websites and the only one I could find that did a halfway decent job of this was USA Today: https://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/

boxed3• 10 months ago

I think a fundamental issue with news is that it doesn't try to push people to have a more correct mental model of the world.

Some things that could change that:

- Deep fact checking. Community Notes on twitter do a better job at this than any other system I've seen. The reason it doesn't really work in practice is that the stream of misinformation and confusion is orders of magnitude larger than the Community Notes community. A news app should not have that scalability issue.

- Follow up. If I read something that later turns out to be false I need to be notified of that. This unfortunately requires that the app track what I have read.

- Context. If you have a news article about a stabbing, it sounds like stabbings are up. The context that they are going up or down statistically is extremely relevant. The lack of context can turn a tiny truth into a bigger lie.

- Deep confusion analysis. Figuring out where people are confused statistically and focusing on trying to manage that misinformation gap is not something that is dealt with at all. I would like to become LESS confused by information sources not more.

lyu072824• 10 months ago

That's just media literacy I think. I would add to that "Sourcing": if the article just parrots some press release or badly summarizes some paper, it should at least link to that but they rarely do. Then it is hard to find the primary source, because you'll only find articles about it, not the actual primary source that they bury in google search.

boxed3• 10 months ago

That's just media literacy I think

The word "just" is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

Systems can change. Human brains on a population/genetic level can't. Blaming individual humans when we know statistically what they will do is mathematically equivalent to giving up.

Also, giving someone information that turns out to be false and never following up isn't "media literacy". I can't see how it can possibly be.

self_awareness• 10 months ago

Feels good to be free from Google, even if it costs money.

Sweepi• 10 months ago

"Indonesia school collapse leaves 38 missing, 77 hurt" is categorized as "Disaster". I cannot see where to disable this category.

TanishqSingla• 10 months ago

The UI looks neat, can't wait to try this out

sciencejerk• 10 months ago

Haters gonna hate, but I just downloaded Kagi News and LOVE it. I want to QUICKLY see all the news headlines and drill deeper in as needed, and Kagi News seems to do exactly this.

embit• 10 months ago

Another one you can check out is one I have made for myself and used by friends [1], although only tech news. It also uses more than 100 RSS feeds to aggregate the top 10 news every few hours. Also has tags that can be used to read topic related news.

[1] https://embit.ca

acd• 10 months ago

Any payments to journalists and news sites?

sidrag22• 10 months ago

As much as i hate modern news sites and our ad riddled culture, its pretty hard to ignore that this tool couldn't exist without the articles that those same news sites are creating. 100 years ago, imagine a service that just took all newspapers and summarized them like this somehow, and everyone knew they had no actual writers but just an advanced printer that could merge articles or some goofy w/e.

can't imagine it would go over well in the court system.

d--b• 10 months ago

or you could read the new york times

kylehotchkiss• 10 months ago

I really like the balance here. No "brand names" in the headline summaries, no imagery or videos on the homepage, summarize multiple sources. It's daily so no need to refresh.

I've been really enjoying Semafor's emails too, but their 2x a day is tough for me to keep up with. I'll try to get a habit of looking at Kagi News to stay informed.

patrakov• 10 months ago

Feedback (if someone reads it): offer an option to translate everything to English. For example, news from/about Russia are in Russian, and thus I can't meaningfully share them to non-Russians.

That's despite the appropriate HTTP header:

Accept-Language: en-US,en;q=0.5

khaleel-kagi3• 10 months ago

Hey, thanks patrakov for trying the app! Users can actually change the content language of the app from Settings. All stories will be automatically translated to their preferred language.

When you share a Russian story with a non-russian speaker, they will still be able to read the story in their own set Content Language in the Settings. We're working on improving the UX of language, sharing a story, and more.

joaohaas• 10 months ago

I think other people mentioned it already, but ideally I'd like to choose a list of languages to leave them as is, and translate the rest.

For example, I can speak Portuguese, Spanish, Japanese and English. Ideally I would want news in those languages to keep their original text, while translating news in other languages to a target language.

For example, if I set my language as English, Russian news would get translated to English, but Portuguese ones would keep their original text.

jwitchel• 10 months ago

I've been using Kagi search for a while now and frankly it's fantastic. Google looks like AOL to me now.

These guys are doing great work and this news product is exactly what I want... Once a day hit. What is happening in the world? As far as pmf goes they hit the mark for an old fart like me.

lyu072824• 10 months ago

I never found the lowest most common denominator news "curation" to be at all interesting, let alone algorithmically driven ones. The issue with news has nothing to do with curation of mainstream media. There is very little value in reading a state department or law enforcement press release summarized by some overworked stenographer/journalist. Or some NGO's push to drive some nondescript narrative uncritically parroted. Or some SEO driven click bait or tragedy porn.

If you wanted to fix the news you'd begin by critically curating mainstream news and throwing 80% of it in the trash, then you'd add 80% of material and critical analysis back to the 20% that had none of that.

tantalor2• 10 months ago

The grounding is really strange.

This example includes a Reddit post as a source:

https://kite.kagi.com/s/hjgy55

But that post is actually a link to reuters.com

There is also a list of "citations" which are referenced from the generated text, and "sources" which are not referenced anywhere. It's not clear if they used reddit or reuters to generate any of the text.

I also see lots of citations to "common knowledge"... which is um, weird.

For example:

National Guard activation: Guard forces can serve under state control (Title 32) or be federalized (Title 10), which determines who directs missions and the scope of authority [*].

Is this common knowledge?

giorgio-kagi• 10 months ago

Hey - Reddit is included as a source because posts can contain firsthand accounts and independent analysis. The RSS feed we use from Reddit provides the post title and text. So to answer your question, when you see Reddit as a source we are using the aforementioned data, not what it links to.

About "common knowledge" sources - we validate all content for accuracy. When the LLM needs to add context that's missing from sources (e.g. historical background), we mark these as "common knowledge" since this generated content can't be validated against the original sources. You're right that your example isn't common knowledge at all, we'll work on adding actual sources for these claims too.

Thanks for trying it out!

tantalor2• 10 months ago

If the content can't be grounded then it should be dropped.

drewbitt2• 10 months ago

I’m probably online too much, but a lot of the news I see is from yesterday. Supposedly it just refreshed with today’s news, but does that really clear out anything older if some outlets publish their stories later than others? I would not describe some of this as "today's headlines"

eterm• 10 months ago

You might be online too much if you don't consider something that happened yesterday to be news.

An attitude of "Hook me up to the novelty juice, this is old weak sauce", is a sign of internet / news addiction.

drewbitt2• 10 months ago

I don't need the latest news. I would just like to know if something published happened yesterday or today at a glance.

unshavedyak• 10 months ago

I like this a lot, going to try it! One issue i have though is in the current world of LLMs scraping content, i'd prefer there to be more discussion about compensation of authors.

I know the announcement page talks about not scraping, but to me personally the value i see in this product is that i don't have to go to those ad ridden, poorly organized and often terrible pages of the authors. Which then seems really unfair to the actual content providers.

I'd like to see this type of service cost $3-5/m ontop of my normal Kagi sub to compensate the authors of the articles i read. A Streaming Music model for news, ish.

This proposed value is quite small, but my assumption is only a very small amount of money would reach them from my ad views anyway so a $10/m addition feels extreme to me.

flyer232• 10 months ago

I AM using it for a long time, its brilliant but as any ai can hallucinate. Joining 4 separate technical topics about 4 different companies and initiatives is funny but misleading. Wont go back though - HN+Kite is all I do.

clueless• 10 months ago

Looks like a decentralize and locally hosted version of https://particle.news

HelloUsername• 10 months ago

My thoughts too! Strange that got much less traction when the app was posted half a year ago https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43698590

lagrange77• 10 months ago

Awesome, i like it a lot!

Some UX friction i noticed: To get back to the homepage from an article, i have to click on the article headline. While this is elegant and you likely get used to it, once you know it, it's not exactly intuitive.

skybrian2• 10 months ago

Do the checkmarks do anything? I expected them to disappear after a reload (like hiding a post on Hacker News), but apparently that's not what they're for.

"Mark as read" checks all the checkmarks, but since they're still there after a reload, I don't see the point.

0xffff2• 10 months ago

The really weird thing to me is that the check marks don't persist across categories. I.e. I marked the story about Youtube as "read" in the "World" tab, but it doesn't get a check in the "USA" tab. Seems like the feature is pretty half baked.

4dm1r4lg3n3r4l3• 10 months ago

It automatically marks stuff you've seen - it's just a visual cue. Similar to how search engines (like Google) show visited links with a different color.

I think keeping them on the page instead of automatically hiding them makes more sense for a product that's trying to update their news feed once per day. You feel more in control, as if it's not a stream of never-ending stories, but rather a fixed amount of stories that you can realistically power through. Seeing all items checked sort-of supports this philosophy.

skybrian2• 10 months ago

For me, this is fairly useless because it mostly displays stories I've already seen elsewhere.

A news site has to display some uncommon stories to have any appeal.

ramesh31• 10 months ago

News is broken. We all know it, but we’ve somehow accepted it as inevitable.

News is broken because journalism is no longer a viable career path. No amount of RSS aggregators will fix that.

aleatorianator• 10 months ago

that "Kagi News" is at the top of "Hacker News" speaks volumes about the state of the "hacker"

JohnFen2• 10 months ago

HN has never really been for or about hackers.

tower-shield• 10 months ago

I like Kagi and want them to succeed. But currently (according to LinkedIn) theres 26 employees. They are building search, LLM assistant wrappers, a browser and now news. Please don't overextend the same way Proton is currently doing.

hn111• 10 months ago

I used to love Proton, but they focus too much on feature development instead of stability and fixing long-standing bugs. E.g. zooming has been broken for years in ProtonMail on iOS. Some emails won’t even render at all :(

thoughtpalette• 10 months ago

FWIW, I have not had any issues with email rendering in the iOS app so YMMV. Have not noticed any zooming problems.

DavideNL• 10 months ago

Yup, i quit Proton (Mail) for the same reason. I had been using it for a long time… There are so many little bugs and annoyances, it’s frustrating to see new features being released all the time while obvious bugs and shortcomings are not fixed.

It was a very big relief going back to a normal email client.

I still support Proton (i pay for Proton VPN) and hope they will succeed in their mission.

bl4ckneon• 10 months ago

How is Proton over extending? All of their services are pretty great imo. I'm happy with them. Doesn't mean I am ever going to use their bitcoin wallet app thing, but if they want to build it, great, they know their customer base so it's probably not out of left field.

AuthAuth• 10 months ago

In the drive mobile app you cant even download a folder. There has been issues opened on it for almost a year now and since then they've opened two entirely new services and added many extra features.

When you're paying for something you expect the basics to be there and thats what annoys me about proton.

mkbelieve• 10 months ago

Buggy as hell. Proton Drive cost me a weekend and they lost me for life.

tomcatfish• 10 months ago

…They are also building email

sph4• 10 months ago

I'm waiting until they announce their own smartphone OS before accepting they are following in the footsteps of Google.

I mean, it keeps bothering me that their search engine logo is a "g". Anything to position themselves as close to google.

boxerab• 10 months ago

When I filter on Kirk, I get No Results Found - seems legit.

hexator• 10 months ago

If you read the post, you would learn that it only reports on news from the same day.

pseudalopex2• 10 months ago

Please don't comment on whether someone read an article. "Did you even read the article? It mentions that" can be shortened to "The article mentions that".[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

the_real_cher• 10 months ago

Trump just said we should use the military on American cities...and it's not reported in Kagi news. That's a showstopper for me.

cyberpunk• 10 months ago

When? It’s updated once daily and afaik he’s been doing that for months hasn’t he?

beala3• 10 months ago

It happened this morning at the military gathering: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-preside-over-unusual-...

Here's the Kagi article which potentially could have mentioned this: https://kite.kagi.com/s/8b5ta4

It's unclear to me if any of the source material reported this when the summary was generated, especially since the source articles may have been updated throughout the day.

ctrlp• 10 months ago

There is almost no good reason to keep up with current events in a "news feed" style. I'd maybe like a feed that has a 1 month window summarizing any news cycle that survived 3 days. If it came and went in one cycle, then just don't bother about it. Most of the news is just propaganda anyway. I suppose it's wise to have a sense of the "current thing" so you don't put your foot in it with colleagues who are inhabiting a tighter timeline than you are, but other than that there doesn't seem to be many use cases for keeping tabs in a news feed. Maybe if you're in the business of disrupting/reinforcing people's OODA loops you might need to know some of this stuff, but otherwise it's just a self-own to keep up with the news.

mr_machine• 10 months ago

I'd like to install and try this, but I don't use Google Play and it's not in F-Droid. Wish they'd just make an APK available.

xnacly• 10 months ago

Same here, the website seems to be working fine on mobile tho

dani_kagi2• 10 months ago

Thanks for the feedback, we are looking into providing the app without any Play services dependencies.

tuckwat• 10 months ago

It actually seems nice. I realize Reddit is not a news source but it used to be a great way to see current events and get level-headed takes on those events. This approach could be a better non-biased* alternative.

* for now

BatteryMountain• 10 months ago

Between this app (kagi) and the Harmony hacknernews client, I'm super happy if this is my only content consumption on the internet/smartphone. The kagi app just needs a black/oled theme please, and can we bump the aricles from 12 to 20 or 30? 12 is just a tiny bit shy.

liquid_thyme• 10 months ago

Is the future where we pay a premium for human generated content?

kubafu2• 10 months ago

This but let me choose over what period I want news summarised. Daily is too often, even week is (at least to me).

Let me open the app once a month and see a summary of what has happened over it.

timeinput• 10 months ago

This defiantly doesn't do exactly what you want, but you might enjoy Delayed Gratification at https://www.slow-journalism.com/

kubafu2• 10 months ago

Will give it a go. Thanks!

al_borland• 10 months ago

I’ve been using this for a few days now. I stumbled across it in the App Store last week.

I hoping this can fill a gap for me currently. I want something that will give me broad awareness of big news I should probably know about, that’s not a 24 hour firehose of news.

I like the once-per-day update and the relatively short list of stories. The jury is still out on how sticky it will be, in terms of being my go-to place for a daily update.

dingaling• 10 months ago

The Economist's 'World in Brief' might appeal:

https://www.economist.com/the-world-in-brief

fresh_broccoli2• 10 months ago

I think this is the wrong direction. We need better journalism, not better summarizing aggregators.

Summaries are no substitute for real articles, even if they're generated by hand (and these apparently are not). Summaries are bound to strip the information of context, important details and analysis. There's also no accountability for the contents.

Sure, there are links to the actual articles, but let's not kid ourselves that most people are going to read them. Why would they need a summarizing service otherwise? Especially if there are 20 sources of varying quality.

There are no "lifehacks" to getting informed. I'll be harsh: this service strikes me as informationally illiterate person's idea of what getting informed is like.

fresh_broccoli2• 10 months ago

Also, they talk about "echo chambers" and "full spectrum of global perspectives". Representing all perspectives sounds great in theory, but how far should it go?

Should all politicians' remarks be reproduced verbatim with absolutely no commentary, no fact-checking and no context? Should an article about an airplane crossing the Pacific include "some experts believe that this is impossible because Earth is flat?"

Excessive bias in media is definitely a problem, but I don't think that completely unbiased media can exist while still being useful. In my expierence, people looking for it either haven't thought about it deeply enough, or they just want information that doesn't make their side look bad.

carlosjobim3• 10 months ago

Should all politicians' remarks be reproduced verbatim with absolutely no commentary, no fact-checking and no context?

Yes. That's an interview, and is much better than summarizations and short soundbites and one-sentence quotes.

UberFly• 10 months ago

Representing all perspectives sounds great in theory

A bigger bias problem by far is bias by omission, so including all stories whether they meet the presenter's political agenda or not would be a great start.

imiric5• 10 months ago

We need better journalism, not better summarizing aggregators.

I agree, but how do you envision that happening? Journalism died a long time ago, arguably around the birth of the 24-hour news cycle, and it was further buried by social media. A niche tech company can only provide a better way to consume what's out there, not solve such large societal problems.

There are no "lifehacks" to getting informed.

I don't think their intent is to change how people are informed. What this aims to do is replace endless doomscrolling on sites that are incentivized to rob us of our attention and data, with spending a few minutes a day to get a sense of general events around the world. If something piques your interest, you can visit the linked sources, or research the event elsewhere. But as a way of getting a quick general overview of what's going on, I think it's great.

danielskogly• 10 months ago

We're seeing success with giving journalists better tools to create engaging journalism (which HN hates :). Many outlets are now seeing that they have to once more prove their value, and there exists some really great subscription-only media here in the Nordics and France.

BeetleB7• 10 months ago

That's precisely what Axios does, and they make money from this (and they don't list their sources). So I can see Kagi pursuing this.

FWIW, I agree with you.

I used to be a news junkie. I've always thought of writing the lessons I learned, but one of them was "If you're a casual news reader, you are likely more misinformed than the one who doesn't read any news." One either should abstain or go all in.

I guess I'd amend it to put people who only glance at headlines to be even more misinformed. It was not at all unusual for me to read articles where the content just plain disagreed with the headline!

numbers• 10 months ago

I really like the once-a-day updates, makes it so that I can drop in and check on the news but not constantly refreshing for updates.

numbsafari• 10 months ago

This is awesome. Only thing that is missing is a place for me to ask a question from Kagi Assistant about the current story I am looking at, using the story as part of the context of my question.

jscd• 10 months ago

This is honestly very disappointing. Not using LLMs, but the complete lack of transparency about their usage. You can already see in the repository issues related to hallucinations[^1]. This is _fine_, but not if you seem to obscure the fact that these can be very, very wrong. This seems to only be mentioned in the very brief loading screen and at the bottom of the about page[^2]. Also, apparently many of the "core RSS feeds" are just... reddit[^3]???

For me, this is only useful as a curated list of news feeds (and subreddits I guess), but nothing more.

[1] https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/issues/97#issuecom...

[2] https://kite.kagi.com/about

[3] https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public/blob/main/core_fee...

RonanSoleste• 10 months ago

Ive stopped using all kagi stuff because of the lack in transparency and my official requests for transparency remained unanswered. I don't trust any American corporation that refuses to be transparent. US law allows for way to much dangerous stuff compared to the EU. That is also why the US lost its democracy recently.

zkmon• 10 months ago

There is a more fundamental problem here. The news feeds are going in this direction for a reason. I don't think you addressed that reason.

You have defined the desirable news as "pure, essential information". What's that again? How do you know what's pure and essential info for any user? The traditional news media had started there, with that pure news, and ended up here where they are today.

Ultimately, you will realize that your content need to grab attention enough so that people consume your feed. People's attention goes to where things look weird, exciting, sensational, emotional, trivia, gossip etc. You can't do away with all that and just dish out the pure and essential info. It didn't work. People tried it.

artursapek• 10 months ago

This rocks. I'm gonna start looking at it instead of NYTimes.

thm• 10 months ago

If you don't need/like links there is https://rawdiary.com/

wewtyflakes• 10 months ago

I'm just happy to be able to entirely remove topics like sports. Google News no longer lets you do this, and gleefully pushes topics on me even when I religiously press "Show fewer stories like this"; it is infuriating. No I do not care about celebrities or football; stop insisting that I do!

cgriswald• 10 months ago

Given that this news is generated I have no idea why the default would be to be in the native language of the sources. And if that makes any sense I would need to be able to select multiple languages I want to read in because I can’t read all languages.

systemstops• 10 months ago

Something similar that collects news from various sources, plus it adds social media context: https://truenorthnews.app/

hshshshshsh• 10 months ago

How did this get so many upvotes? Did I wake up in 2004?

rsingel2• 10 months ago

Looks like yet another aggregator that will send almost no referral traffic to the folks who actually put labor into writing.

Parasitic by definition.

And embracing the news from nowhere perspective.

So both a parasite and boring at the same time.

I wish more tech folks who want to "fix the news" would learn from Gabe Rivera's Techmeme, Memeorandum, and Mediagazer.

He's done aggregation right for 20 years

graynk2• 10 months ago

It uses RSS from the folks who actually put labor into writing and links to the sources under every article.

notsydonia• 10 months ago

Exactly. I also wonder what the end game is. If creating content becomes a loss-making exercise, people will logically stop and the LLMs will have less and less to content to 'train on.' And as even large news corps are increasingly deploying internal LLMs, the deadening banal style of LLMs, A.I. over-view etc will inevitably drive readers away. I use Perplexity for search in place of Google and it surfaces good links most of the time. But what do tech and media companies - even spotify - think they will do when the artists, reporters and creatives stop feeding them? Or readers don't want to read banal summaries of everything?

maelito• 10 months ago

It's funny how awkward the French version is.

- Parquet de Paris ouvre 24 enquêtes pour menaces

- Update: famille et experte ADN au procès Jubillar

- Intersyndicale appelle à la grève du 2 octobre

This won't be used by French speakers as is.

msqinfo• 10 months ago

Just plugging my service, https://mosaique.info/. It only uses an LLM to generate a short summary, and other ML algorithms structure the information (comments from officials and experts, classification...).

I'm currently working on a major overhaul to provide more holistic context around news by better surfacing less-discussed events.

ElijahLynn• 10 months ago

love love love how it doesn't infinite scroll!!!

jrowen• 10 months ago

This doesn’t really seem to touch on the problem I have with news, which is that it is all doom and gloom, FUD and outrage. The headlines I saw:

Trump, Congress deadlock as shutdown deadline nears

Taliban cuts internet nationwide, flights grounded in Afghanistan

Indonesia school collapse leaves 38 missing, 77 hurt

YouTube settles Trump suspension lawsuit for $24.5m

German court jails AfD aide for China spying

US deports 120 Iranians after deal

Russian drone strike kills family of four

Is this really what I need to know in the world? Am I saying “informed”? This is not helping the anxiety from reading news described in the article. This is not good for people.

kevcampb• 10 months ago

This is pulling the content of the RSS feeds of several news sites into the context window of an LLM and then asking it to summarize news items into articles and fill in the blanks?

This is awful. It's cutting out any money going to the news agencies that go out there and write news. If they didn't exist, Kagi wouldn't work.

4dm1r4lg3n3r4l3• 10 months ago

This is awful. It's cutting out any money going to the news agencies that go out there and write news. If they didn't exist, Kagi wouldn't work.

Why would Kagi stop working if news didn't exist? Kagi is a search engine first and foremost, Kagi News is not a money making product of theirs. Kagi would still be making money with their search engine.

Also, this should entice news writers to write better news. The main reason people use products such as this is that they are sick and tired of going to news sites only to have to power through filler material to get the 10% that actually matters...

Spivak2• 10 months ago

This is true in a big picture sense but that's not the concern of someone who's making a tool meant to be useful to users. The consequences of this existing will be what they will be.

kqgnkqgn• 10 months ago

Given the buzzword, social media, and advertising infested garbage that ~80% of news sites have turned into...it's hard to sympathize with them.

sph4• 10 months ago

The content isn't any better, so a news aggregator simply becomes an aggregator of buzzword, advertising infested slop. Garbage in, garbage out.

hughes• 10 months ago

I don't understand how this is 100% free, no subscriptions, no purchase, apparently no ads or tracking and yet I'm also the "customer" and not the product. What's the catch?

luxurytent2• 10 months ago

It seems fairly low effort (from a cost perspective) to deploy and maintain this feature, so I think it's a great way to get the Kagi name out there, which may perhaps lead to a few new users!

Sort of like a loss leader, eg the Costco hot dog :-)

freediver8• 10 months ago

Correct and down the road I can see a premium version of this being a thing.

kkukshtel• 10 months ago

One of the best news sites (still running) that I use frequently is http://68k.news/ - it's sort of like this minus the AI summary and info part of the article.

It's just plain text web 1.0 page that uses some ranking algo to figure out the top stores of a given day across categories, and shows that headline and under it similar headlines across different news sources.

It used to pull in RSS from the sources so you could also read the articles in plaintext, but that broke a bit ago and the dev hasn't fixed it.

Regardless, I still find it a great site to quickly get up to speed on top stories of the day!

But also I really like (and pay for!) Kagi so happily support their own effort here.

durakot• 10 months ago

It's good. And always happy to see SvelteKit in action.

matcha-video• 10 months ago

Similar to ground.news or thenewpaper.co ?

alphazard• 10 months ago

What everyone gets wrong about news curation is thinking people want the same news as everyone else, or "both sides" of a situation, or whatever mechanism for exposing them to things that someone else thinks are true.

What I actually want is a curated set of things that are useful to me personally given my situation. The most important things about my situation to give me useful news are things like: net worth, income, citizenship, family situation, where I live, what industries I work in, current investments, travel destinations, regulatory and political risks associated with any of those things, etc.

Because those are the things that dictate how the parts of the world I can't control are going to affect me (especially if I don't react). I don't want to hear about random things that aren't going to affect me when I'm looking at the news. Sometimes I want to learn new random/useless things for fun, but that's a leisure activity. It's totally separate from the "news", which is a thing that adults consume as a chore to better plan their lives.

The fundamental problem is that myself and others are not going to willing give out the personal information required to curate useful news feeds, so the news will always be filled with noise. Maybe local AI can help with that.

pants2• 10 months ago

ChatGPT Pulse has actually done a great job at this for me. It knows about an upcoming vacation I have planned and gave me some specific news about closures and events there, with recommendations on what activities to book in advance.

alexfromapex• 10 months ago

Don't want to sound too contrarian, but I feel like having LLMs involved with the process of disseminating news is a bit dystopian.

benrapscallion• 10 months ago

Link to iOS App: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/kagi-news/id6748314243

TiredOfLife• 10 months ago

Another russian disinfo laundering service.

lostlogin2• 10 months ago

This aspect matters and there is little comment here on this (other threads on Kagi have raised it).

Kagi’s ‘neutral’ stance on politics, their association with Yandex/the Russian state mean this will be interesting to watch.

It’s by far the best search I’ve ever used.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/1gvcqua/psa_the_ka...

beala3• 10 months ago

IIUC, the basis for this claim is that Kagi pays Yandex (a Russian search company) for access to Yandex's image search API. Is that the entirety of their link to Russia? If so, it seems like a stretch to accuse them of being a "Russian disinfo laundering service" (GP's words, not yours), but this is my first time hearing this, so if I'm missing something, I'm all ears.

amarant4• 10 months ago

I really like this!

I do wish I could have better control of what languages I'm getting. Right now the option is to either translate everything or nothing. I'd prefer news in their original, untranslated form if it's one of the 4 languages I speak, otherwise translate them to English.

I added the category "Israel" and everything was in Hebrew, so I had to set my language to English, but now news in my native Swedish are translated to English and I have to kind of translate it back in my head as I read them.

It's not the end of the world, but it seems like fairly low-hanging fruit!

maleldil2• 10 months ago

That's weird. I set the language to English, but the stories in the Brazil category are still in Portuguese.

amarant4• 10 months ago

There are different settings for interface language and story language. Might it be that your story language is "default" (this appears to mean untranslated) and your interface language is set to English?

guywithahat• 10 months ago

One thing I found working on a startup which touched on the political sphere is people don't want curated lists imposed on them, they want to impose their curated lists on other people.

I like that it only provides the list once a day (I do think that's a clever feature), but the inability to influence bias seems like a mistake, especially since the sources already seem to follow a bias.

carlosjobim3• 10 months ago

"Community-driven sources: Our news sources are open source and community-curated through our public GitHub repository. Anyone can propose additions, flag problems, or suggest improvements."

This sounds like it's going to be a massive headache. Activists with nothing to do all day will be all over this, for their chance to try to have influence over what other people read.

k2enemy• 10 months ago

I like 1440 (https://join1440.com) for this. Once a day daily email digest. I like the email format because I'm less likely to start clicking around compared to a web site, and it doesn't require a separate app.

I think it is human curated, but I'm not positive about that.

sam0x17• 10 months ago

one quick little usability thing, clicking the logo on the web version doesn't bring me back to the main page

stared• 10 months ago

Nice to see an approach to reduce doomscrolling (for myself, and most of my bubble, the biggest addiction, impacting productivity, mental health, and neck).

Yet, there is Hacker Newsletter (https://hackernewsletter.com/, which I like and use), there are others pointed by GPT5 that I don't Mailbrew and Digest. Kagi looks like the true former.

What I do want is personalization - not by picking interest, but actual personality, prompt, tastes, good enough that it puts something other, rather than only narrowing and narrowing my view. Yet high quality, rather than clickbaits and other "fluff". Otherwise, following a few Reddits would do the job (with some API to send emails).

What I would like even more is something that actually turns my social media into daily emails.

Vexowsky2• 10 months ago

I liked Kagi, was paying for it for a few months, but $10 is just too much

4dm1r4lg3n3r4l3• 10 months ago

I don't find it too much. For $10 I get a search engine better than all the others, I get access to many AI models via Kagi Assistant and Kagi Translate.

While I understand different people find value in different things, dismissing Kagi generally as "too expensive" is ignorant IMO.

I think it also depends what you use it for. I use both their search and their AI models for software development and it saves me precious time when looking for information - in a way it pays for itself.

Vexowsky2• 10 months ago

I also used it for software engineering and personal use as well.

I had two major issues with it:

- it wasn't as snappy as google, but I kind of got used to it

- I wasn't trusting it (if that makes sense) and was falling back !g to make sure everything was searched

For $10, I expect to get a premium service, not a just good enough one.

I have to admit that I liked the idea, feeling of privacy and the ability to tailor a search engine for my needs.

Unfortunatelly I think that they are not where they need to be for the $10 pricing plan.

BeetleB7• 10 months ago

I get by with the $5 plan. I don't use it at work, and it shows. I often curse during work that I can't exclude certain domains permanently from my Google search!

insane_dreamer2• 10 months ago

Every single news aggregation services promises the same "signal over noise" and "just the facts". I'm so numb from hearing that, that I don't believe it anymore.

I do however like the fact that Kagi only pushes _once_ a day. Drinking from the firehose is physically and mentally exhausting. Even daily feels like too much these days other than a quick check to make sure the world didn't implode or the Rapture happened while I was busy trying to get CC to behave.

digest• 10 months ago

Thanks for providing RSS feeds for Kagi -- just added them all to https://usedigest.com so users can use this as a drop-in replacement for their news instead of adding various RSS feeds from other news outlets.

guybedo• 10 months ago

i'm doing something like this, summarizing HN posts because most of the time when there's hundreds or thousands of comments, it's not possible to read everything and i feel like i'm missing something.

So far, i quite enjoy having a summary with bullet points.

For example, here's the summary of this discussion: https://extraakt.com/extraakts/kagi-s-daily-news-ritual-spar...

ashivkum3• 10 months ago

Given that Orion (which I repeatedly attempt to daily drive due to the dearth of browsers meeting my requirements right now on macos) is still full of bugs that hamper usability, and seems to introduce new ones with every update, I don't know why Kagi insists on overextending itself like this. They just started porting their broken browser to Linux, they're creating a maps app, all while they clearly do not have the manpower to finish the projects they've already started.

tiltowait• 10 months ago

Which bugs do you encounter? Orion works nearly perfectly for me.

ashivkum3• 10 months ago

A selection of recent ones:

- Site blocking with /etc/hosts doesn't work consistently with Orion, it intermittently and inconsistently ignores these rules. (this is sort of niche but it's bizarre for a browser based on WebKit)

- The password manager is busted on certain websites that have a third input box (so a captcha or 2FA code), where it'll fill the password twice

- Kept randomly getting the error "Orion can't open this page: This operation couldn't be completed. Cannot allocate memory" with like 10 windows, ~30 tabs open. Haven't seen it recently but like many Orion bugs it is intermittent and hard to reproduce consistently.

- Switching between Chrome and Orion sometimes (inconsistently) switches me to the last Orion window I had open (often on a different Desktop) rather than the one I clicked on.

- On networks where I can form WebRTC connections in Safari and Chrome, I cannot in Orion.

- This was just fixed but until like yesterday, the highlight color in their PDF viewer for ctrl F was a barely visible 10% opacity highlight that was totally unusable.

- Various other intangible performance bugs that seem to pile up when you haven't restarted in a day or two. It starts out really snappy and tends to get slower the longer you've had it open.

I should note that the pace of developement would be much faster if they would open source the browser, but instead of that they keep starting new, closed source projects that will likely have the same fate. Their Linux Orion port is from scratch, none of their macOS code is reusable.

iLoveOncall• 10 months ago

If I was giving my money to Kagi I'd be mad that they invest it in bullshit side products like this instead of search.

It seems like all their recent releases are just following into the AI hype.

ironmagma2• 10 months ago

Yeah, as a paying customer it is annoying that my money is being used to fuel AI hype instead of to get me off of it.

davelacy• 10 months ago

Nice design. I like the "today in history" feature

Lately I've been working toward less app time and more boredom https://youtu.be/orQKfIXMiA8?si=ZyvxO0SFjoGGHbdK ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ works wonders

richardanaya• 10 months ago

I love Kagi!

sktrdie• 10 months ago

Cool but how does it compare to something like subreddits? There are still biased moderators behind the scene just like subreddits. Seems to not have the upvoting/downvoting side of it which imo is crucial to democratize the entire thing.

I think upvoting/downvoting is a crucial aspect to news/information/knowledge. But we've been doing it with just numbers all along. Why not experiment with weights or more complex voting methods? Ex: my reputation is divided in categories - I'm more an expert in history then politics hence my vote towards historical subjects have more weights. Feels like that's the next big step for news. Instead of just another centralized aggregator?

No offense to the cool system and website though

larodi• 10 months ago

I doubt anything comes close to Perplexity News at the moment, its truly amazing.

kkfx• 10 months ago

I'd like to pay Kagi if I can submit my feeds and the insights from them, as I see from the portal now it's not that interesting...

ta2112• 10 months ago

Am I the only one thinking that "Cagey News" sounds like anti-marketing?

nvarsj• 10 months ago

Because Google news was such a great idea. I’m enjoying Kagi but this isn’t it.

W0lfEagle• 10 months ago

I really like this for practising a foreign language by switching the content language. I do agree with other comments here though that it will need greater control over which languages are translated.

alexsmirnov2• 10 months ago

Funny coincidence. This morning, my news aggregator delivered its daily results. The stack:

  Miniflux (https://miniflux.app/) in Docker, fetching 75 RSS feeds I've collected over the years

  ~200 lines in a Jupyter notebook:
  - Fetch entries from Miniflux API (last 24-48 hours)
  - Convert to CSV, feed to LLM. GPT-5 identifies trending stories across sources
  - Each article gets web-fetched and summarized via Gemini-2.5-flash
  - Results render via IPython.display

  Ten minutes per day, fully informed.

BOOSTERHIDROGEN2• 10 months ago

Mind sharing that feeds and 200 line code? Thank you

alexsmirnov2• 10 months ago

I prefer to not. LLM prompts and feeds selection clearly expose my political preferences, interests, and location. And this is research project for more serious task. For 200 lines of code, there are 1000+ for evaluation, automatic prompt optimization. But idea is simple, so there should be no problem to implement it

ugoasidjg• 10 months ago

Kagi, I'm willing to pay if you hire people to fact check the generated articles. Or maybe have the community fact check and visually distinguish checked sentences from unchecked sentences.

ed_mercer• 10 months ago

Or just let an advanced model do extended research on each article

Animats• 10 months ago

Nice, but navigation is awful. After reading a story, the back button doesn't take you back to the table of contents.

(Edit) Now I see. You have to scroll through the story and click "Close story" to get back. It's "mobile first".

28304283409234• 10 months ago

As a paying customer of kagi (family account) it saddens me to see my money spent this way.

kstrauser• 10 months ago

As a paying customer of Kagi (family account), I'm delighted to see them spend my money in a way that seems utterly compatible with their history of making the web pleasant to use again.

vjulian• 10 months ago

The (apparently) unchangeable categories of “US” and “World” is extremely irritating to me. May I suggest you at least categorise by continent?

bluGill3• 10 months ago

Not the news I need. I need local news. I care about my local mayer race. I care what my school board does. I care about the local art studio events. unless you are my neighbor you don't care about my community (you have your own).

If you live in big city beware that your newspaper probably is lacking your neighborhood coverage which is what you need.

freediver8• 10 months ago

Add those to list of sources Kagi News uses and create a new category and it will show up even if you are the only user of it.

https://github.com/kagisearch/kite-public

bluGill3• 10 months ago

You miss the real problem: what I need doesn't exist. My local big city newspaper doesn't normally send reporters to the local things I care about. They paste the meeting minutes of the city consul meeting, but those are "debated a proposal from some business, voted, then passed" - what was the proposals, what points were debated, who votes which way (if they can tell). I need this information because in a month there is an election and I want to know who to vote for/against, but without going to the meetings I don't know who is worth voting for. (these meetings are the same night as the school board, and other city meetings so it isn't even possible for me to attend them all even if I didn't have other things I also need/want to do in life)

Shank• 10 months ago

I find Kagi somewhat perplexing with this release. On one hand, the search engine is clearly good at surfacing content that isn't AI slop, and it has initiatives like the "small web" that endeavor to surface smaller websites. Instead of doing something similar, it's just an AI summary engine. I find it not only contradictory of many of their other efforts, but also unasked for. I would love to see something similar to "small web" for news.

EasyMark2• 10 months ago

After poking around for half an hour or so, I think I'm going back to ground news :) . I love most kagi products but this one is going to need some more love I think.

user3939382• 10 months ago

Kagi solves web search for now. LLMs are incapable of determining what’s important. They are excellent at determining what’s common. That doesn’t connect with news summarization in the way we’d ideally want it to unfortunately. I don’t care for low fidelity news.

aryonoco• 10 months ago

As a Kagi Ultimate subscriber with a Family Plan and a separate subscription for Orion+, I've got to say, I don't see the point of this.

RSS works great and there are a million ways to consume them. There are also a myriad New aggregator offerings, most with some sort of LLM thrown in on top.

Did we really need this? Was there nothing better Kagi could dedicate its resources to?

freediver8• 10 months ago

Thank you for your support. What I will say will sound a bit selfish - but I needed this and it happened. More details in my relationship with news in the first two articles linked at https://kite.kagi.com/about

To be fair this is exactly how Kagi Search happened too - many people didn't see a point in a paid search engine in 2018 too, but I and my family needed one and it happened.

marcus_holmes2• 10 months ago

Kagi, please, please, please don't fall into the Mozilla trap and waste your time creating a whole bunch of useless side projects that never succeed, to the detriment of the one thing that we all need you to do.

You have a great search service. Please focus on that. Build that into an actual Google-beater. Provide the features your customers actually want. Spend your time, money, and energy making that the greatest search service possible.

Don't waste this opportunity. Please.

freediver8• 10 months ago

Unlike Mozilla's browser, I'd like to believe that our search engine is getting better with each update?

Mozilla fell into this trap as its business model was fundamentally broken (majority revenue coming from biggest compatitor). Our business model is healthy and the more apps we have in the ecosystem the stronger the ecosystem gets.

marcus_holmes2• 10 months ago

the more apps we have in the ecosystem the stronger the ecosystem gets

that only works if the apps somehow reinforce each other, and spending time developing one app also adds something to the other apps. I'm not sure that's true here. I don't see how an LLM-based news service makes your search service stronger?

devinprater• 10 months ago

After each headline on the page with all the tabs, there is an unlabeled button after each headline. Please, Kagi I beg of you, don't overextend yourselves.

mrcwinn• 10 months ago

I think the deeper problem is the quality of the source, less so than the curation of the sources.

rimmontrieu• 10 months ago

I've been using Kagi for 2 months and has some very positive experiences with it. Nowadays I don't use search heavily but it's still nice to have alternatives like Kagi search.

The news feature feels a bit underwhelming and underdeveloped though, especially with the LLM/AI approach.

JLGSpeer• 10 months ago

When they started developing this they were looking for a Flutter developer. Here is my code challenge submission, in case any one is curious about what it would look like as a Flutter project: https://github.com/SpeerJ/Kite-Code-Challenge-for-Kagi

I had a little trouble imagining myself using this in particular but I'm a big fan of the search engine.

mikelward2• 10 months ago

Looks great for general content. Love that it offers translation.

But the Sports section is bad. The game finished 10 hours ago and it's still showing a match preview.

szszrk2• 10 months ago

It's generated once a day. Which I love.

mikelward2• 10 months ago

It still has the US government shutdown hasn't happened yet. It's really hard to call this news.

deafpolygon• 10 months ago

I really like this, and I say this as an AI skeptic. It's a good summary of news and looks quite neutral -- good enough for me to skim the headlines and then dig deeper if I need to.

sambf• 10 months ago

In France (and maybe other countries) this is kind of what Courrier International [0] does but with humans curating and translating articles from around the world, and human-written summaries articles from multiple sources. It's in the same holding as Le Monde.

[0] https://courrierinternational.com

osamabinladen• 10 months ago

really nice, I was looking for something like this yesterday and now I see this. It would be nice to see these aggregators try to format these stories like a newspaper though instead of just a list of rss feeds under different categories. if it's already curated you may as well make it pretty too and make me feel smart as if im reading an actual newspaper

nobodywillobsrv• 10 months ago

Is there anythong in the "backend" pre-ai, data scraping etc that is open and decentralized that people could use?

It feels to me like the bigger problem is more about assembling time series of "news" not "news today".

Like if you wanted "show me all stories about crime X from the BBC since 1980" or whatever but then you want to do this across many sources.

This is the missing piece for most new analytics. I think there are legal blockers to getting this done and why I mention decentralization.

codethief• 10 months ago

Cool idea. I just installed the app and it seems quite well-engineered! However, here are a few things I'd love to see improved:

- Allow me to have a single feed (as opposed to one tab/feed per category). Also, to prevent that feed from becoming too long, allow me to set a maximum number of news items or maximum number of minutes I'd like to spend. Prioritize/leave out news items accordingly. In other words: While I might be interested in sports, I'm not interested in reading or scrolling through as many news items about sports as about, say, world politics.

- "Highlights" and "perspectives" below the article text read like useless AI slop that merely reiterates the text, and artificially prolong an otherwise neatly concise page.

- Allow me to intersect categories and/or choose a regional "focus". Non-regional categories like "sports", "business", "technology" currently seem to aggregate news from across the world. However, I might be particularly¹ interested in a regional subset of e.g. business or sports news.

¹) I.e. not exclusively so. I'm still interested in world news but only when it comes to major events (in the sports case, say, world cups and championships).

lofaszvanitt• 10 months ago

Ridiculous... I mean do these people ever use the things they release? They totally miss the point.

panarchy• 10 months ago

Pretty nice so far. I enjoy the very visible categories (as in the "astronomy" label in the Science category, not the science, technology, etc ones) that make it easy to see if an article is relevant to my interests at a glance.

A save feature to keep track of interesting articles would be nice.

Having more news (or more filtered for quality) would also be nice. Right now at 12 the lists seem to be mostly taken up by trendy low-quality news that will be irrelevant and less news that doesn't make waves but will probably have more impact in the long run. Actually this might just be a lack of the number of places being scraped. Not an actual example from the site but consider how much an article of someone saying the latest comet is actually alien technology trends (but is completely irrelevant) vs a scientific paper reporting on the measurements of the atmospheric composition of a bunch of exoplanets.

sanbor• 10 months ago

I recommend Current Events from Wikipedia[1] for a neutral summary of the most important news in the world.

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Current_events

tethys2• 10 months ago

I don't understand this trend of translating UI elements when 100% of the content is English. Who does that help?

ironmagma2• 10 months ago

Is not the purpose of Kagi that it isn't like Google/Bing excessively buying into LLM hype? I just want an independent sustainable search engine, that's all.

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