Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

The real issue is that various rumors point to them cancelling or pushing back the plan for a new version of the headset that is cheaper and lighter in favor of working on the smart glasses.

Without a cheaper, lighter headset I don't think it's going to become a significant product for Apple.

jccalhoun• 9 months ago

If they thought the product was toast why would they bother updating the processor? It isn't like they update the processor in the mac pro regularly or anything.

iambateman2• 9 months ago

For less mature products, they frequently make a big deal about it being 23% faster and 10% lighter.

nomilk• 9 months ago

Anyone using one? If so, what for? (please give details)

I got an oculus quest 2, was blown away by it for 1-2 hours, but never really picked it up again. The games were fun but very shallow, and never tried any practical uses.

Would love to use VR for working on a plane. Currently use a laptop, but my neck sometimes gets sore from looking down. VR has the potential to 10x the screen real estate and prevent having to look at down at an acute angle.

mapontosevenths6• 9 months ago

I have one. I use it primarily for keeping my drawer full.

That said, it's AMAZING as a home theater replacement, other than an issue with internal reflections in the optics. So in dark scenes it gets a bit annoying.

If I lived in an apartment, I would absolutely use it in place of a large TV that eats up a lot of my space. Especially coupled with the airpods MAX and spatial audio. Watching a 4k 3d movie in it is mind-blowing. Most 3d you've ever seen was really 50% of 1080p, so it's a whole new world. Some of the Apple original content is also great. The thing with the submarine is amazing.

Personally I already have a full sized home theater, so I just use that. However, I'm willing to bet that in 5 years when it's time to upgrade the home theater I'll probably just be turning it into a library with some seats I can use a VR headset from. Who knows, maybe it will be a descendant of the AVP.

wlesieutre3• 9 months ago

Amazing home theater replacement if you watch all your movies alone, or have a lot of money.

Does Vision Pro have any apps for a virtual theater where you can watch video online in a VR space with other people? I've used Bigscreen for that once or twice with a Quest, and it struck me as something that would be a cool feature if I knew more people with VR headsets.

SeanAnderson2• 9 months ago

Do you never entertain guests with your home theater system?

I believe you when you say that it could replace the experience for yourself, but, at least for me, hosting with my home theater is the main driver for improving it.

alt2275• 9 months ago

That said, it's AMAZING as a home theater replacement

This seems to literally be its only killer feature.

I was hoping apple would be able to figure out what nobody else has, an actual useful everyday use for AR. But still we are just given a personal theatre, or proof of concept toy 'experience' apps.

jewba• 9 months ago

I have access to one for work stuff. It is just too heavy and uncomfortable for more than 30 min of using it.

Ancapistani• 9 months ago

I still use mine one or two days each week, just as a monitor replacement. Most of that time is spent in Neovim :)

mr_toad2• 9 months ago

Would love to use VR for working on a plane.

I immediately wonder how much of my carry-on allowance will be taken up by a VR headset. These things are still fairly clunky.

alt2275• 9 months ago

Meta has already released normal size smart glasses, it wont be long until all VR headsets are a relic of the past.

EDIT: I think people are misunderstanding me. I dont mean VR/AR will be dead, I maen that all devices will be normal size glasses and big chunky headsets wont exist any more.

ceejayoz6• 9 months ago

Wear it and it doesn't count at all.

fkyoureadthedoc• 9 months ago

I had a quest 2, but it was always blurry for me. Something wrong with my eyes, idk. I've wanted to try a Bigscreen Beyond with custom lens inserts, but too much money to invest on something that might not work out.

mapontosevenths6• 9 months ago

If you wear glasses, or need them and don't normally wear them, it's important to get the prescription lens inserts. They make them for the Quest as well, and they aren't expensive.

Meta doesn't try to force it on you the way Apple does, but you really have to or it will always be blurry. The screen has a sort of fixed focal point and if your vision isn't great at that distance EVERYTHING will be blurry instead of just the one range that's normally blurry for you.

You may not even realize you need glasses until you try it and everything is blurry.

spogbiper2• 9 months ago

i usually wear contacts, and the quest 2 was always a bit blurry. one day i randomly was wearing my glasses and sort of forced the headset on over them and i was blow away by how much clearer it was. outside of that case I see about the same wearing contacts vs glasses.

i never got around to trying prescription inserts but i suspect they would be ideal

rawbot• 9 months ago

I have used VR headsets since the original Oculus Development Kit Mk.1. It is until the Quest 3 that VR feels like a compelling product. If you can try it, I would suggest you do so.

Keep in mind, that the Quest 3 has been discontinued in favour of the cheaper and inferior Quest 3S. It still has some good qualities, but the best one is no doubt the Quest 3.

Another thing is that to save on costs, they all ship with a very inadequate headband. For comfort, it is imperative to get another solution, either the (expensive) elite headstrap or a (cheaper) 3rd party one.

atwrk• 9 months ago

What makes you think the Quest 3 is discontinued? The 3s was clearly communicated to be the cheaper alternative (and replaced the Quest 2 that was still sold in parallel with the 3), not a replacement for the 3.

sbarre• 9 months ago

Re: "VR for working on a plane" - you could look into XR glasses like the ones from XReal or Viture.

I've been considering a pair for myself after hearing good feedback from some friends, and seeing some good reviews online.

The latest versions have head tracking so the virtual screen remains "pinned" in your view.

They're also much smaller and easier to carry compared to a full VR headset, and they can plug into almost any device (laptop, tablet, phone) and just show up as an external monitor.

marcosscriven• 9 months ago

I’ve been tempted, but a lot of the forum feedback (ie not the breathless YouTube “reviews”), suggest that optically they are pretty bad, especially near the edges.

tetrisgm3• 9 months ago

I love mine. 1) Superb virtual Mac display. 2) Great to watch Apple Immersive videos. 3) spacial photos and videos

izolate• 9 months ago

It's fantastic as a travel/digital nomad tool. It enables me to use a large widescreen display and work efficiently from anywhere in the world.

woadwarrior012• 9 months ago

I've been using it almost every day for Mac Virtual display, for about 1.5 years now. I don't have any other use case for it.

_alex_• 9 months ago

this seems like the killer app. how long do you comfortably wear it? do you take it off for breaks?

boogieknite3• 9 months ago

i use mine daily for the virtual desktop and about 5 hours a week for hobby avp app dev. i simply think its fun to build pet projects in the sdk for my own AR dev education and entertainment

frankly i justified the cost by comparing against a planned home theater. now i RARELY use the avp as a home theater. its an incredible theater, but over time my mentality shifted and i consider the avp a tool instead of entertainment

i got used to the weight after a month. went from topping out on an hour or 2 to using for 4-5 hours no problem. also took around a month to learn the proper calibration for the light screen to "hang" on my face instead of press against it. this was a major breakthrough for comfort and session length

ive had mine since launch month and will add this observation i dont see said often:

i think the avp is meant to be taken off. meaning, i see meta going toward more comfortable ar glasses, but i dont really want to be in ar ALL DAY

its difficult to describe. the longer ive had an avp the more ive found a desire to put it on like a work hardhat, then take it off when i "feel" its time to stop. i really like that its not designed to be worn all day. im probably giving apple too much credit but its something unexpected ive found interesting in my own habitual use

* edit to add another interesting development after about a year of use: i now need to take a magnesium, calcium, and zinc pill or the weaker of my eyes will become tired and develop a spasm after about an hour and a half of sustained use. im vegetarian so that may also be a factor

masto• 9 months ago

On rare occasions, I use it for the virtual display; it's actually usable to sit outside and work with a giant display on the deck, or to dial myself onto the beach. But it's not exactly comfortable for extended use, and most of the time I'd rather sit at my nice desktop with multiple monitors etc.

I also have a Quest 3 and if I could only own one device, I'd take the Q3 hands-down. The games are fun, they get you up and moving, and although I'm not going to argue that the quality of the screens is the same or anything, it's more than good enough. I'll happily give up the virtual laptop screen in exchange for the library of VR games on the Quest.

I'm not much for consuming media so that aspect is lost on me. Unfortunately, that seems to be the primary use case Apple has focused on, if you can call the anemic dribble of content they've put out focus.

gdubs2• 9 months ago

I develop for the platform, so I make apps. [1]

As a user, I actually use it more today than when I first got it, because each visionOS update has really unleveled the capabilities of the device. I like watching movies on the ceiling, the spatial scenes / photos / videos are really fun, and generally viewing your Photos library on Vision Pro is on a different level. Even non-spatial content just takes on a different, more immersive quality.

I have a lot of friends in the developer community, and enjoy playing with their apps. Things like "Cell Walk" where you can explore a 3D volumetric representation of different types of cells.

The Apple Immersive short films they release every so often are phenomenal – really nothing like them in my experience.

It's nice to be able to edit a movie and throw it onto a big screen, or have a gigantic workspace.

1: https://youtu.be/gDrk2HkiDhs?si=KhZsXOahpHPsAQGf https://youtu.be/QcTiDBtCafg?si=mH_MWi8MENjm8veT

jtfrench• 9 months ago

What kind of apps are you developing for Vision Pro? Any immersive space stuff?

scrlk2• 9 months ago

Apple Vision Pro with the M5 chip and Dual Knit Band starts at $3,499 (U.S.), and is available in 256GB, 512GB, and 1TB storage capacities.

Apple being stingy with storage (and RAM) isn’t new, but the base $3.5k spec with only 256 GB is extreme.

EDIT: clarity

ceejayoz6• 9 months ago

You're not paying $3.5k for the SSD.

hu3• 9 months ago

They didn't said that.

rs186• 9 months ago

I am just surprised they didn't increase the price, like what they did with almost every other new product (other than base iPhone, I guess).

My conspiracy theory is that they don't want to grab attention and get any more bad rep for this product when they are already half giving up.

lalo2302• 9 months ago

Wasn't the Apple Vision pro discontinued?

jjallen• 9 months ago

Clearly not.

RRRA2• 9 months ago

Soon (TM)

jsiepkes3• 9 months ago

No, they "announced" the production had stopped because there was enough supply (ie. they had enough stock to fulfill the projected sales and replacement needs). Now obviously it wasn't the success they had hoped for. But they didn't discontinue it.

noveltyaccount• 9 months ago

It's still crazy to me that they put an M5 chip in this thing, but to run Mac apps you need a Mac. Just let the face computer be a computer!

mr_toad2• 9 months ago

Mac apps will expect a full set of Mac hardware (not just the CPU), so you’d probably need to run a full virtual Mac for compatibility. Not impossible, but I expect it’s not a priority either.

pipodeclown2• 9 months ago

Like what? A macbook is just a screen, connected keyboard and trackpad. This thing has the equivalent of all of that.

postexitus• 9 months ago

What is that full set of Mac hardware that we are not aware of?

q3k• 9 months ago

What? No, that's not how any of this works.

walkabout2• 9 months ago

I can’t figure out what this means. For an iOS device, sure, but a Mac? What hardware does a Mac Mini, say, have that the Vision can’t provide?

array_key_first5• 9 months ago

It's an SOC. It's in the name.

cubefox8• 9 months ago

Speaking of which, Apple could probably support Mac apps on modern iPhones if you plug it into an external monitor. I assume they aren't doing it because it would cannibalize their laptop market.

api2• 9 months ago

It would also be slow, not because the chip is slow but because if you do serious things with it it’s going to thermal throttle. Laptops have way better heat dissipation.

Most people put phones in cases which makes heat dissipation much worse.

philistine3• 9 months ago

They could theoretically, but the thing is the Mac, despite what you read on here, has a ton of legacy libraries that are not used on iOS.

casey2• 9 months ago

Not probably, definitely. Nobody wants that of course because it would mean hiring real developers over friends/family. A19 pro is already faster than modern desktop chips let alone something from a few years ago. Almost all their mac software was designed for much more modest machines.

fennecfoxy7• 9 months ago

This is why I love Samsung for DEX. It's not perfect but it's actually fairly usable when travelling. Can even use it wirelessly with a compatible display (which sometimes hotel TVs are).

I'm very excited for stuff like smart glasses ever single Glass, meta's new stuff is awesome in terms of slimming things down but the real excitement is the wristband for input. Looks like we'll be solving the display/input problems soon enough.

They seemed resistant to the idea of a compute puck but I honestly think that's fine. I'd rather have a phone in my pocket that can be used for compute than bulkier glasses, though it is nice if future glasses can do very basic tasks unaided.

I hope that pretty soon I won't even need a laptop for out of hours tasks (but would still use one for the standard work day most likely).

jpalomaki• 9 months ago

Probably yes. Essentially all of those are the same: Apple TVs, iPhones, iPads, Macbooks and desktop computers. Slightly different version of Apple Silicon in different casing and different OS (or UI?).

tech234a• 9 months ago

Someone has been experimenting with running macOS on iPhone: https://x.com/khanhduytran0/status/1956681961126183186

stetrain10• 9 months ago

Yeah, I think they could increase the utility of this product for the price point pretty easily by just adding a My Virtual Mac VM to it.

Obviously there would be performance constraints but at least for your $3499 you'd be getting a Mac instead of just a Mac Monitor.

bsimpson2• 9 months ago

I never would have bought a gaming computer or console, but a gaming handheld is an easy purchase.

There's something much more approachable about having an appliance with a built-in screen vs having to get a monitor/TV and dedicate part of your living space to something you use sometimes.

rovr138• 9 months ago

It also simplifies their OS, software, testing, etc.

karmakaze2• 9 months ago

It seemed silly to me, but then I remembered how Apple works. Create something that you can't have. Oh an M5 chip in something I won't buy. It would be great if we had M5's in MacBooks -> want. Apple manufactures desire first before satisfying that created 'new' market. Last time I recall was the iPad Pro's even before they started getting useful as very few people buy these. Scarcity sells.

The math isn't how many people will buy Vision Pro M5, it's how many have nots can be created by putting it in the Vision Pro.

etchalon• 9 months ago

They literally released the M5 MacBook today?

jayd169• 9 months ago

Sadly, they want to sell you the next iPhone not the next PC.

jeroenhd• 9 months ago

Just Apple being Apple. They don't think of the face computer as a face computer, but as a Brand New Experience that needs Brand New Applications.

They'll keep their face computers separate for as long as they refuse to build Macbooks with touch screens. Which seems to be forever.

cubefox8• 9 months ago

This part suggests Apple warming up a little to Oculus-style VR controllers:

With support for the PlayStation VR2 Sense controller, players get a new class of immersive games with high-performance motion tracking in six degrees of freedom, finger touch detection, and vibration support.

Previously they seemed to be committed to finger controls only.

qwertytyyuu• 9 months ago

I expected them to give up on it. Props for not pulling a google, but I guess that isn't a high bar?

ulfw• 9 months ago

They have given up on it. This is simply a chip replacement. It's likely cheaper than keep producing M2s just for this thing.

CaptainOfCoit2• 9 months ago

They have given up on it
keep producing

Maybe it's just me, but if they keep producing it (regardless of what chip), doesn't that mean they haven't given up on it?

bjacobel• 9 months ago

They massively over-estimated demand [1] and produced tens if not hundreds of thousands of units that didn't sell. This is them trying to liquidate their inventory of components.

[1] https://daringfireball.net/2024/10/vision_pro_bites_dog

conception• 9 months ago

Your article refutes that and says sales are totally at expectations?

paul79862• 9 months ago

This looks like Apple’s foray into smart glasses. They seem to be following Meta’s path — but Apple can win this race via their signature strengths: tech support at their stores when your glasses break, durable hardware and focus on privacy (their glasses could blur or anonymize strangers’ faces in photos/videos who havent authorized themselves).

Meanwhile, my two pairs of Meta Ray-Bans are basically trash now. Loved them while they worked — but they break way too easily, and one completely died after a software update.

geerlingguy• 9 months ago

I have yet to see one of these things in person.

Granted, I only see a VR headset like four times a year, but nobody I know bought a Vision Pro either, whereas I know a few dozen people with other headsets.

CaptainOfCoit2• 9 months ago

Similar to when the iPhone first appeared, remember it was really uncommon where I live and the first time I held one was while visiting France. But it was a rare item at first as well, not sure that tells us anything about how useful it is/can be.

epolanski• 9 months ago

Just because many products didn't impress at first and did well later, doesn't matter you can ignore that the opposite is even more frequent.

But yours, is especially an apples and oranges comparison.

The original iPhone was a flawed internet-less take on a thriving exploding market (mobile).

VR's market just questionable.

DennisP• 9 months ago

I was super interested in the Vision Pro when it was first released. Then I found out they went with an app model and the device could only display a single MacOS window. There went my dream of surrounding myself with a bunch of vim windows and terminals.

If they'd focused on maximizing the device's usefulness instead of its revenue stream, maybe things would have worked out better.

kibwen4• 9 months ago

Apple is not in the business of selling productivity software. Even their desktops/MacOS segment is an insignificant historical afterthought by now.

To a first approximation, Apple is a manufacturer of locked-down handheld entertainment appliances whose primary function is to psychologically condition children into siphoning off money from their inattentive parents. There's no reason to suspect their vision for the AVP to diverge significantly from this user story.

basisword5• 9 months ago

Every company I've worked at in the last 15-20 years has run fully on Mac. First it was the designers, then the devs, and now everyone. I used Windows for years and have some experience with various Linux distros, but if I joined a company that made me use either of those full-time I'd immediately start looking for another job.

stetrain10• 9 months ago

Weird, that description doesn't apply at all to my experiences as a developer using Macs for the last few years.

Personally I find a Mac to be a better development environment than Windows even for Microsoft tech like the dotnet stack.

dbspin2• 9 months ago

And also virtually every film editor, colourist and videographer. Oh and also every illustrator and graphic designer. And a host of other professions where having a clean UI, colour accuracy, on a reliable machine that rarely if ever crashes is essential rather than a preference.

As a film maker and editor I'm enormously more productive on my dual screen (used) M1 Max Studio machine than I was on a variety of PC setups with high end GPUs. Even just the missing overhead of not having to keep graphic drives and constant Windows updates is great. Reliable renders were never a thing on Windows. The time lost doing things again because window had some strange colour issue, render crash, font issue and on and on was ludicrous.

The idea of having to use Windows for daily productivity sends a shiver down my spine.

gjm112• 9 months ago

I'm sure you felt very clever writing that zinger about children and parents, but unless the majority of Apple devices are sold to/for children -- which I would bet is extremely not true -- it's obviously wrong.

jen20• 9 months ago

Even their desktops/MacOS segment is an insignificant historical afterthought by now.

By what measure? As I understand it, more Macs sell now than in any other point in history.

mrpippy• 9 months ago

It can display an entire Mac desktop https://support.apple.com/en-us/118521

pjerem• 9 months ago

Which doesnt mean you can surround yourself with VIM windows.

That's just an hyper expensive huge screen.

basisword5• 9 months ago

They want the individual windows from the Mac to be manoeuvrable. Currently it works like a virtual display - you can't move windows around space like you can with visionOS apps.

vunderba• 9 months ago

That's not what we want at all. I should be able to slap a "Sync" button while wearing the Vision and every single window/app currently running on my Macbook Pro should show up as a completely independent spatially manipulable display within the virtual environment. That way I still get all the power of my dedicated Mac with the freedom of VR.

Even before it came out, I naturally assumed it was going to be able to do this. Major flub IMHO. Well that and the completely superfluous frontfacing screen for your "virtual avatar". Because the Vision wasn't already expensive enough...

lynndotpy3• 9 months ago

My sentiments exactly. This would be such an easy purchase to justify if it weren't just a toy-- no other VR headset touts to display text so crisply. But instead, their only market demographic are people who really enjoy going to theaters alone.

I'm very eagerly looking forward to Valve's headset coming out.

PaulHoule3• 9 months ago

There are three problems with AVP: cost, cost and cost.

It is priced to be a pack-in with seats of Dassault 3DEXPERIENCE, but Meta's experience has been that the VR consumer is price sensitive which is why they followed up the MQ3 with the cost-reduced MQ3S.

I think Apple is looking at this the way they look at AirPods (something you stick in your ears to modify and augment your hearing) which is good and monitors, which is bad. Apple's always sold a tiny number of monitors with astronomical margins which looked like a good business because they didn't have to invest in product innovation to make them the way they do for the AVP -- and they didn't need software developers to invest in product innovation for their monitors, but the AVP absolutely requires it. And if they aren't shipping enough units, who is going to make software for it?

righthand2• 9 months ago

Valve already has a headset out…well before Apple had one.

https://www.valvesoftware.com/en/index/headset

ge96• 9 months ago

I'll mention Simula but that's still being developed

I hope they swap out Haskell though, probably can make your own compositor

imtringued• 9 months ago

But instead, their only market demographic are people who really enjoy going to theaters alone.

I still remember the good old days of Gary's mod movie theater servers.

boomskats• 9 months ago

FWIW my Viture glasses are significantly more comfortable as a productivity device than my Vision Pro.

OisinMoran2• 9 months ago

Yeah this would honestly be incredible and actually deserving of the "spatial computing" moniker.

I would love to be able to have a dedicated spatial location for each part of my Django app: look over here for the CSS, step here for the views, scroll through the logs over here...

mrguyorama2• 9 months ago

People keep insisting this but

1) It's been doable for years and yet AR/VR doesn't take off

2) It will only ever be a hyper niche use case of an already hyper niche market. People do not want a giant screen glued to their face.

Have you actually tried "working" in VR? It is awful and pointless and zero percent of my work is limited by the size of my screen FFS. Are you one of those people that keep 100 terminal windows open with random TOPS and log watchers but never actually uses them? Those people always seem to have lots of monitors. They don't actually seem more productive though.

I even downgraded from two external monitors to one because all the extra monitor was doing was making me hurt my neck from looking back and forth.

A 30 inch monitor with 1440p resolution can do everything you want from django and is like $200

fennecfoxy7• 9 months ago

Another comment mentions how useful it is because it's integrated with Apple's ecosystem. I mean of course it is...Apple makes it.

I do wonder if that person had ever tried any of the myriad of VR device available a decade before beforehand and I do wonder how popular Apple's product would be if other companies were given the opportunity to integrate with the OS on the same level that Apple can (I feel like Apple is breaking anti-competitive laws constantly but nobody really cares about making them open up).

random35• 9 months ago

OSX is at 16% of the market (Windows is 63%). Exactly how is this breaking anti-competitive laws?

FumblingBear3• 9 months ago

I think I may be the commenter you're referring to, and yes, I have used many different VR devices over the years. I've owned at least 3 other headsets and used 5.

My point in saying the usefulness of it being tied to the ecosystem was more of a negative one than a positive one if it wasn't clear. It is personally useful for me because I have a lot of Apple products at home (though I also have PC and linux stuff too), but I wish my primary use-cases for it were more platform agnostic.

I'm also very in support of aggressive anti-trust legislation and it's probably my biggest point of contention with Apple.

Despite all that, I still like the Vision Pro and think it's an incredible piece of tech that blows every other headset I've tried out of the water for the things I like to do.

0x4572• 9 months ago

I do wonder if that person had ever tried any of the myriad of VR device available a decade before beforehand and I do wonder how popular Apple's product would be if other companies were given the opportunity to integrate with the OS on the same level that Apple can

Microsoft had and still has this opportunity, they even have game console and much of game developers to bootstrap VR/AR ecosystem.

(I feel like Apple is breaking anti-competitive laws constantly but nobody really cares about making them open up).

lol okay

ajmurmann• 9 months ago

This is very disappointing. I wonder if it's a limitation of the underlying connection. Does it use AirPlay for this?

jtbayly• 9 months ago

I think it is more likely a limitation of the Mac OS. But it's just a guess.

Andrew_nenakhov• 9 months ago

I own Vision Pro. They work with Macos pretty well when sharing the whole screen, and I think that their technology is potentially capable to share one specific app -- with facetime you can do just that -- but so far Vision Pro is unable of that. That's a shame.

Mystery-Machine3• 9 months ago

I use AVP every day for work. I spend 8+ hours a day wearing the thing. It's amazing the screen real estate you get when you share your Mac screen. It's terrible that it's only one screen, but with good enough window (pun intended) management app, you can tile the windows/app inside this giant curved floating screen. That works for me because I always preferred using a single screen. It's possible to share a single desktop/window, but it's not officially supported. Sometimes the screen sharing bugs out and, instead of gigantic curved screen, I get a tiny small app/window. If someone is interested in looking into this, this happens (sometimes) when, instead of starting the screen sharing from AVP, you share (mirror) the screen from Mac display/mirroring settings.

ykl• 9 months ago

You can in fact already do this (have Mac windows show up as separate floating windows in VisionOS instead of all being on the single MacOS window) using a third party tool called Ensemble:

https://github.com/saagarjha/Ensemble

This is what is looks like in action:

https://twitter.com/TheOriginaliTE/status/175125156764134634...

Disclaimer: I don’t know how well it works in practice because I don’t have a Vision Pro.

jswny2• 9 months ago

The point is that this should absolutely be capable of being a power-computing extension for Mac, but instead it’s been relegated to a $3k personal theater that runs apps for some reason

random35• 9 months ago

I'm not really following through your reasoning. How is breaking the usefulness helping the revenue stream?

Assuming you're an engineer, have you thought about what handing over a "window" from one computer to another actually entails? CRIU can do checkpoint/restore at container/process level - but you actually want it to run on both, no? So you need to split off just the I/O, but at the OS-level per window.

Apple has been doing a lot of work in this direction and they have stuff that actually work (like video calls and to some extent windows. These are processes running on different OS-es with a matrix of hundreds of devices.

It's not something you vibe code over the weekend.

amelius3• 9 months ago

This stuff has been solved ages ago on Unix.

woodrowbarlow• 9 months ago

you're focusing on the "single window" part.

the revenue-driven decision was choosing to make the OS more like iOS, locked down with an app store, rather than macos, which allows third-party applications, browsing the filesystem, dropping into a terminal, etc. with built-in first-party support.

instead of making a computer in an AR form-factor, they made an iPad in an AR form-factor.

astrange5• 9 months ago

Sending multiple windows over screensharing actually seems easier than sending the desktop to me - because you only look at one window at once, the rest don't have to update at full frame rate, or at all.

And it's easier and more power-efficient (because of hardware video encoding) to use screen sharing instead of sending drawing commands etc.

jjtheblunt• 9 months ago

from this demo video, it looks like you could surround yourself with vim windows, terminals, and so on?

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/videos/2025/autoplay/10/apple...

jazzyjackson3• 9 months ago

Within the bounds of that big ol 8k window, yes, but the applications themselves can't be extracted and positioned separately.

My workaround for this is using applications that work comfortably in a safari window (like vscode) and you can have as many safari windows free floating as you want

wrsh07• 9 months ago

I actually bought one thinking I could buy a vision pro instead of a new computer, but alas, the vision pro (despite being a powerful computer) is not usable as a work computer

(I returned it)

dvdsgl2• 9 months ago

You can surround yourself with floating terminals using the Blink app. Here I code from the couch surrounded by nvim, Claude Code, etc.: https://x.com/dvdsgl/status/1948840477970841720/video/1

efavdb• 9 months ago

awesome. curious, what's your review for this use case?

ebbi• 9 months ago

Amazing! How long can you do this for before you feel any fatigue (neck/eyes)?

Do you feel you're more in focus when using Vision Pro like this, as opposed to using an external monitor?

KronisLV• 9 months ago

Then I found out they went with an app model and the device could only display a single MacOS window.

There was this program called Immersed for Quest and some other VR headsets (apparently Apple's one too?) that ages ago was quite brilliant: I could connect my laptop or PC and have as many virtual desktops in addition to the real ones displayed around me. Even on my Quest 2, until the strain set in, it was cool to just kinda tune out the room around me and be in a black void surrounded by just the screens of whatever I'm working on.

Sadly, in one update they randomly removed it as a "legacy feature nobody uses", which ruined the program for me, and Virtual Desktop for the Quest also has limited screens you can display, so I can't even do all 4 of my physical ones, nor virtual ones - despite it having worked previously in the other program.

For a little bit, it was a really cool mode of working, but sadly I only got glimpses of it and would need more capable hardware like AVP for that in the first place (Quest 2 very much had its limitations).

Also, this was a pretty cool idea, even if a novelty: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Js7Y1H5D8cY

vid• 9 months ago

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think emulating a physical screen in a virtual field of view is the wrong way to do this. Why introduce off-axis viewing and all the other unnecessary weirdnesses? What if the entire field of view were the screen, with head and eye movement as navigation? I guess make the windows transparent so it's less disorienting, and it would at least initially be overwhelming, but past that it could be quite transformative.

golergka• 9 months ago

Looks like this version finally works like an ultrawide external monitor.

fzzzy• 9 months ago

You can just install La Terminal...

m463• 9 months ago

I went to an apple store, saw a vision pro and asked if I could try it on. They said you had to schedule an appointment, then they would take you through a supervised viewing or whatever.

This gave me the impression it wasn't ready for general use, and they would have to control your impression of the thing while selling you on it.

I know that VR is hard, and AR is much harder, but this made me think apple still hasn't cracked it.

As to single app - I figure the thing has to be hard real-time to do things without giving you a headache or nausea/vomiting. that probably doesn't leave room for a lot of sharing of resources.

In the end, I think this is a iphone 1.0 type device, and only continued development with deep pockets will make it viable, eventually.

lexoj• 9 months ago

In the country im in, apple official resellers were not allowing to try any of their apple watches on wrist.

1123581321• 9 months ago

The appointment is fairly hands off. The employee checks your prescription, installs the right lenses and helps you have a good fit, possibly trying other lenses if you’re having issues.

There isn’t any prep I saw that they would have to do before they could except a walk-in.

Pesthuf• 9 months ago

I think most of us will wait for these chips to get into more useful computers.

dangus• 9 months ago

Interesting to see apps like Steam Link and the PlayStation VR controller support advertised. Seems like an admission that Apple underestimated how many VR users need that gaming functionality to be there.

drtiberius• 9 months ago

Is this chip imprinted with engrams from Daystrom? It seems like this might be the ultimate computer.

RRRA2• 9 months ago

How are they at version 26 of VisionOS?

madwolf• 9 months ago

The same way they're at version 26 of iOS and MacOS

swiftcoder2• 9 months ago

They aligned their OS numbering across all platforms to "year + 1" a little while back

weinzierl• 9 months ago

I'd preferred they'd downgraded the price instead, but snark aside is it still really the only headset with twin 4K resolution or are there others?

mkozlows2• 9 months ago

Shiftall Meganex 8K is out, and Pimax Dream Air is upcoming. But those are PCVR headsets, not... whatever the AVP is.

makeitdouble• 9 months ago

On paper headsets like MeganeX are on the same ballpark [0], while Bigscreen beyond for instance offer a completely different proposition (ultra light) for only slightly lower resolution [1]

[0] https://en.shiftall.net/products/meganex8k

https://store.bigscreenvr.com/products/bigscreen-beyond-2

fennecfoxy7• 9 months ago

is it still really the only headset with twin 4K resolution

There are quite a few others, even some with near or at 4k res per eye released before the Apple product. Even just the Pimax 8k being the world's first dual native 4k headset early 2019.

The problem with alternative sets is, as always, a software/ecosystem one which for gaming Valve helped massively by getting everyone onto one platform (SteamVR). It's tough to do similar with Apple as they lock everything down for "security" with the added benefit of preventing competitors from creating competing products. They're happy to interoperate with Wifi and Bluetooth standards etc, though (before someone claims that doing what they want with their platform is Apple's choice - the same people who grin when MS got hammered for anti-competition with IE Windows bundling, something Apple regularly escapes).

thelastgallon• 9 months ago

Apple Vision Pro upgraded with the powerful M5 chip and comfortable Dual Knit Band: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2025/10/apple-vision-pro-upgr...

The latest version improves performance, display rendering, battery life, and comfort, while offering innovative features with visionOS 26 and all-new spatial apps and Apple Immersive content

tantalor• 9 months ago

They are still making this?

Why?

dude250711• 9 months ago

Investors told Cook that he has to have a vision, and he misunderstood?

speed_spread• 9 months ago

Or maliciously complied...

bombcar3• 9 months ago

Apparently they weren't making it, but selling down stock (at least according to the rumors).

I guess they are still making them, now with M5?

basisword5• 9 months ago

I wish they could get the price down. I had it for a few weeks before returning it. It's really an incredible device but for the value it currently provides it's not worth the cost. They also need to sort out the fact that mirroring a Mac is tied up with your Apple ID. My main use case was going to be mirroring my work MacBook, but I'm not signing into my work device with my personal Apple account. It's an astonishing oversight. If they can halve the price (and maybe the weight) over the next decade it'll be huge.

intrasight2• 9 months ago

I expect the Apple ID thing will be fixed as it should be easy. Halving the price should be easy too - but probably won't happen until the new "half the weight" version is released.

They definitely don't have a decade. The market gave them 14 years with iPhone (Newton was 1993?). But things move a bit faster now.

basisword5• 9 months ago

> I expect the Apple ID thing will be fixed as it should be easy.

That's what I initially thought but there have been two OS cycles now with no fix. I think Apple often back themselves into a corner when they base stuff around iCloud and I wouldn't be surprised if this was similar. Maybe user accounts on visionOS will be the eventual solution?

outside2344• 9 months ago

$3499??? Is anyone actually buying this?

riffraff• 9 months ago

they wound down production of the previous iteration[0] due to poor demand.

But seems like they do have a niche audience that likes it (and maybe can pass it as a business expense or something?) so they've sold a few.

[0] https://www.macrumors.com/2024/10/23/apple-may-stop-producin...

bombcar3• 9 months ago

The reaction from the ATP guys is a solid "meh"; apparently it's pretty well done and nice, but not really "worth it."

And one of them bought a fully-loaded Mac Pro, so they're not immune to the Apple Distortion Field.

wlesieutre3• 9 months ago

FWIW wasn't that Mac Pro in the era where the Mac Pro was useful and had bigger CPU/RAM options than other models?

Or did he do it again when the Mac Studio exists?

astrange5• 9 months ago

The one who buys the Mac Pros is not the big spender; that would be the one who won't stop talking about his vacation homes and mechanical watch collection.

muglug• 9 months ago

The Vision Pro is a premium VR experience, but the weight is something I could never get used to.

I hope that they revisit the hardware at some point when novel tech enables a lot of weight reduction.

wlesieutre3• 9 months ago

Rumor was they were working on a cheaper model (Vision Air?) but have shelved it prioritize chasing Meta's smart glasses

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-10-01/apple-she...

jsiepkes3• 9 months ago

Since they only list France and Germany as EU countries I guess the rest of us in the EU are never going to get the Vision Pro?

While I could get one from Germany, when I did that with the Google Pixel I ran into a whole bunch of trouble when it needed to get repaired. Since Google required an address in Germany.

AndroTux• 9 months ago

I’m living in one of those irrelevant EU countries and am considering getting one from Germany. Do you know if this is going to cause issues when downloading apps from a non-German Apple account, etc.?

jsiepkes3• 9 months ago

As far as I read online that is not going to be a problem. However if you need a repair, you might run in to problems (like needing a German address).

tetrisgm3• 9 months ago

I love my first gen Apple Vision Pro. I find that most of the criticism isn’t addressed at the product and technology, but at the price and Apple’s strategy.

Price will go down in five years, once the tech mature la. For now this is a bit like how the Oculus DK1 was. An early device to explore what the overall vision is about, and figure out the apps.

abtinf• 9 months ago

What do you use it for?

How often do you use it?

karmakaze2• 9 months ago

Use was never claimed, only love for.

coderatlarge5• 9 months ago

i want to capture 3d video of loved ones before they’re gone

tetrisgm3• 9 months ago

3d movies, Mac display, spacial photos and videos

Mystery-Machine3• 9 months ago

HatchedLake721• 9 months ago

Any tips to share from your experience using it for so long every day?

MichaelZuo• 9 months ago

120 Hz support seems like the biggest upgrade.

laweijfmvo• 9 months ago

motion blur was the biggest technical flaw i saw when i tried one, i wonder if this will help?

akamaka• 9 months ago

With M5, Apple Vision Pro renders 10 percent more pixels with the micro-OLED displays

I found this little piece of information interesting. Apparently the display on the Vision Pro has such high resolution that they reduce the detail of the rendering. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that reported before. It means that an even higher quality display is still far in the future, since the silicon to push that many pixels isn’t quite ready.

ErneX2• 9 months ago

I think it also does foveated rendering, it detects where you are gazing and renders that area at a higher res than the periphery.

layer82• 9 months ago

At the same time, the resolution still isn’t quite enough for virtual Mac screen to not look worse than the real one. The Vision Pro has around 34 PPD. “Retina” resolution for VR is generally considered to require at least 60 PPD. That would mean four times the amount of pixels at the Vision Pro’s panel size. Add to that that the Vision Pro’s FOV is relatively small, you’d want even more pixels than that.

nullishdomain2• 9 months ago

It won't look as sharp as a real display at the same size, but it is significantly larger. I've spent probably 3,000+ hours in the headset, with the vast majority of that using the Virtual Display. I've always preferred larger fonts and sitting close to the display, so using the wide virtual display mode has been a fantastic experience for me. My eye-strain-induced migraines have basically disappeared since I started using this as my main display, moving from my previous setup of 30% Studio Display and 70% 16" MBP.

mallowdram• 9 months ago

Spatial computing is not spatial intelligence. Apple fundamentally has missed the boat on topological integrations.

FumblingBear3• 9 months ago

I won't be upgrading from the M2 model, but I still get a lot of value out of mine simply using the Mac Virtual Display with my Macbook Pro. Of course there are other benefits (gaming w/ ALVR and a PC, watching movies, reading comics) but it makes video editing workflows much nicer for me because I can set the resolution to ultrawide and have much more real estate for Davinci Resolve.

It never really leaves the house, and I get why a lot of people don't like it, but personally, it's one of the coolest pieces of tech I own and I get a ton of value out of it. The value is just tied to being integrated into the apple ecosystem more than it being a standalone device, which is a very Apple thing to do.

I have lots of criticisms too, but overall I really like it. Also converting photos to spatial photos and looking through old memories in 3D is truly incredible. Can't overstate how much I love that feature.

The thing I'm most excited about from this release is the backwards compatible Dual Knit Band, which I'm definitely buying.

eddieroger• 9 months ago

I am in a similar boat. I wish they'd gone in to more detail about why this version is different than the existing one - other than "new chip" - because I like mine so much that I want to know how it's improved. I love having a portable, infinite desktop that pairs to my laptop. I have watched movies with it while away, and it's a great media consumption device. It's just cool, and should only get better and cheaper as the tech evolves.

cjoelrun• 9 months ago

Similar. I use this as a traveling external monitor. I have a face that works well without the face seal and with the old dual band: Counter weighted with the back of my head in a way that floats the headset over my nose/face. Going back to squeezing this onto my face like the old knit band seems like it would go backwards in comfort. How can anyone have this pressed against their face for 8+ hours?

wahnfrieden4• 9 months ago

The best is to have a pulley system above your head that removes the weight of it from above. I’d like to see someone implement this via a backpack / should strap for mobile use.

asimovDev• 9 months ago

Do you do the thing where you can map your room and have different virtual desktops for each room?

FumblingBear3• 9 months ago

As far as I know, you can't have different virtual desktops for each room. The window to use the virtual desktop dynamically pops up over my laptop when I open and unlock it.

I do have a few widgets floating around in different rooms, but rarely use it from somewhere that isn't my chair or bed, so it's mostly a few clocks embedded into my walls to keep track of time, and those are persistent.

jayd169• 9 months ago

I honestly couldn't get used to the weight. 9-5, a nice big monitor won out every time.

There's something to this AR XR stuff but even with infinite resources the convenience just isn't there for all day use for me.

nomel• 9 months ago

With the inability to counter-balance, with soft straps, I I really wish they would get rid of the metal, glass, and silly front screen. For comparison, Quest 3, with integrated battery, is almost 20% lighter and is possible to counter balance (hard strap), which I think is more important than weight (near zero force on the flesh of my face).

It has comparable PPD, at the center, so works just as well for using as windows/mac virtual screen (mac being my main use case).

bsimpson2• 9 months ago

gaming w/ ALVR and a PC

The announcement mentions Steam Link too.

taeric• 9 months ago

I remain convinced that the main use case for VR is games. And to see them flirt around it so badly is just flat out amusing to me.

intrasight2• 9 months ago

s/games/porn/

fennecfoxy7• 9 months ago

Yeah AR will be where it's at for most consumers I'd say. VR is still useful but in far fewer scenarios.

thetwentyone• 9 months ago

Anyone have experience with AVP+ALVR vs Valve Index? I have only used the latter but interested if I can use ALVR effectively enough to replace the Index.

Coeur• 9 months ago

If anybody else is wondering what parents means by ALVR: "Air Light VR", a software to stream games from your PC to a VR headset: https://github.com/alvr-org/ALVR

ChrisArchitect• 9 months ago

Apple M5 Chip

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45591799

fpgaminer• 9 months ago

I had to return my Vision Pro after trying it for a week. I'm one of those rare customers that genuinely wanted to keep it, because it's the only VR headset I could _actually_ get work done in thanks to its stellar resolution and overall screen quality. In spite of its many, many flaws. But I had to ditch the thing because: 1) it's stupidly heavy, and 2) it's the only headset that caused me eyestrain.

I was praying for a new revision, but ... this wasn't it. No mention of making the thing lighter. Seems like instead they _added_ weight to the band to compensate.

Guess I'll keep waiting and hoping someone else fills the space. Maybe, just maybe, there will be a real Quest Pro with the same screen quality as the AVP. The Quest 3 is almost perfect in every regard except for that, so I'd happily drop "stupid" money to grab one with an AVP level display in it. (With the usual caveats of it being an evil Meta product, etc, etc).

crooked-v2• 9 months ago

The problem isn't really total weight, it's unbalanced weight. For comparison, see the BoboVR head straps for the Quest (https://www.bobovr.com/products/s3-pro), which look ridiculous and add a lot of total weight (especially with a battery), but are actually more comfortable than not having it, because they spread out and counterbalance the weight of the headset.

The Dual Knit Band may help AVP comfort, but I'm skeptical. To have a significant benefit it would need to have much stiffer side support so that the entire thing can lever the weight of the headset upwards and pull the center of gravity way back from the face.

bluescrn• 9 months ago

Still an external battery?

If it's going to be tethered to a battery, why not just tether it to a Mac (or iPhone) instead, and make the device a lot cheaper+simpler in the process?

crazygringo• 9 months ago

Because those batteries are busy powering their respective devices?

boogieknite3• 9 months ago

biggest question on whether i should upgrade mine is trade in value for the m2 version. i havent seen anything on that yet

edit: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/discontinued-m2-vision-...

lmao. dicks

JeremyHerrman2• 9 months ago

I've had the Vision Pro since launch, and the only thing that keeps me coming back to it nearly daily is the Mac Virtual Display for my MacBook Pro.

It's just so useful to have a huge display wherever you want it - no hunching over looking down a small laptop screen. This is especially useful on a plane where I'm not even able to open the laptop completely due to the tight space.

My main gripe is: Why do I need a separate Mac at all? Even the original M2 Vision Pro has more than enough horsepower to run the virtual Mac inside of the headset, so it seems like a fake limitation.

I'm looking forward to it being lighter weight and smaller, and for them to make the Mac Virtual Display native to the Vision Pro experience without the need for a separate computer.

pfannkuchen• 9 months ago

Battery life, probably? I suspect they didn’t want to have functionality that could only realistically be used when plugged in.

wpm2• 9 months ago

Functionally the battery life is already shit. I barely ever use mine untethered to at least an external USB-PD battery.

They might as well have made the plunge.

xenospn• 9 months ago

The only use case I’m interested in is long-haul flights. How comfortable is it to wear for an extended period? Do people interrupt you to ask you about it? Are you able to use all the features sitting in economy while gesturing?

mobiledev2014• 9 months ago

Expectations vary but I find that regardless of perfect comfort and battery life I don’t want to go more than a few hours without a break. I’ll watch a jumbo movie or a few hours of tv on a flight no problem

Comfort: For me, the answer was “no” out of the box. I had to exchange my light seal twice before I got the right one. This was no charge but obviously it would be great to get it right the first time and it seems like a large number of users never did this and those are the ones who complain most about comfort. Not blaming the users btw, Apple needs to fix this if they care about the product

Onlookers: I always wonder if somebody will bug me and they never have. If you are self-conscious, it might not not be the product for you

Gestures: You learn that they can be done very subtly and you don’t need to bother the person next to you

wpm2• 9 months ago

Most people don’t care, the only weird/funny part is that they assume you can’t see with it on. I’ve never been interrupted and I wore mine on a flight just a few months after it was released.

It’s not comfortable though.

JeremyHerrman2• 9 months ago

Overall yes (with some caveats below), it's comfortable enough to wear for a few hours. I'm usually in the window seat and I try to be discreet, so nobody has really asked me about it.

All of the features work well even with no internet (for linking the mac & vision pro). Travel mode takes care of issues with the plane's movement and the sensors work excellent for gesture / tap detection even in complete darkness, and there's never a need for big sweeping arm gestures with the vision pro - you can operate it in a small space.

I bought the belkin headstrap to help distribute the weight, and I imagine the success of that type of accessory is what prompted apple to introduce the new dual knit band. With that extra support I can wear it for a few hours but I definitely have goggle marks on my face for a while afterwards - like you would have after skiing.

kmeisthax• 9 months ago

Apple won't do that because it means creating a Mac enclave[0] inside of what is supposed to be a secure OS. Apple wants the Mac to be firewalled off from the rest of their product line because the Mac has root access and other things that let the owner tamper with device security. To be clear, you can keep such a device secure, but Apple believes the additional work to support keeping such an owner-controlled device secure is "working for free".

To elaborate on that last bit: macOS ships with a number of utilities and frameworks specifically to detect and remove known-malicious software. macOS also has to operate notarization infrastructure for supporting non-MAS apps, as well as boot infrastructure to deliberately run untrusted or known-insecure OS kernels. None of their other platforms need this[1], because they have strict code signing enforcement. The web browser and developer mode aside, the only code that is ever allowed to run on device is code written by an entity with a business relationship to Apple. Anyone who wants to ship malware has to create a paper trail and expose themselves to getting a legal ass-ramming.

Of course, in practice the enhanced security of iOS and its derivatives is really just an excuse to extract 30%, a price most app developers aren't willing to pay. Putting all your "real apps" behind a virtual display that you have to carry a separate device around for is a way to contrive an inconvenience whose answer is "ship a native visionOS app."

I suspect the whole reason why Mac mirroring is even a thing at all is because Apple realized iPad apps weren't going to cut it on a $3500 VR headset, and this was their quick hack to make the Vision Pro useful while they figured out a way to browbeat their developers into officially supporting it. A task which, by the way, has failed miserably.

[0] No relation to "exclaves" - i.e. bits of security-sensitive code that have been isolated from regular iOS system processes and run inside SPTM's "secure kernel" domain, but can still IPC back and forth. The most likely approach to "Mac enclaves" on visionOS would be enabling Hypervisor and shoving macOS in EL1.

[1] EU DMA notwithstanding - in fact, much of Apple's anger regarding the DMA boils down to the fact that complying with it while keeping their devices secure means shipping macOS-like antimalware infrastructure on other platforms.

merelysounds• 9 months ago

Dual Knit Band is available to purchase separately for $99 (U.S.).

This price looks surprisingly reasonable.

Given the band’s purpose, the price and the fact that it’s backwards compatible, perhaps they’re interested in increasing adoption.

thr0waway001• 9 months ago

Cool… I guess. shrugs

jazzyjackson3• 9 months ago

Regarding "Apple Vision Pro and the Environment", I'd be much more impressed with a way to upgrade my current goggles with a chip swap than recycled textiles

apparent• 9 months ago

Can't believe this is heavier than the original.

The lower strap features flexible fabric ribs embedded with tungsten inserts that provide a counterweight for additional comfort, balance, and stability.

This is like how the iPad keyboard case is surprisingly heavy because it's bottom-weighted for stability. While the iPad is lighter than a laptop, the iPad + keyboard case is pretty much the same weight.

paul79862• 9 months ago

Maybe Apple’s working on smart glasses — one with a display, one without — to rival Meta. Honestly, Meta’s glasses are cool… until they break. And they do break!

Meta’s biggest weakness? No in-person support. Unlike Apple, they don’t have stores where you can walk in and get help.

My two pairs of Meta Ray Bans are broke - one was hosed after a software update.

yalogin• 9 months ago

Looks like everyone has the same complaint here about the device. Apple is not listening to its consumers and trying to push the device in directions that the users don't care about. I hope they make it a full fledged MacBook and just grabs that market. They can continue to push the "spatial computing" crap in parallel. I don't know what use cases or market fit the spatial computing has, but really having unlimited screens/space to work on is the main and best use case.

paultopia• 9 months ago

... so does this mean that the rest of us will one day be able to buy the previous model for some price less than your firstborn??

tatrajim• 9 months ago

The AVP has greatly enhanced my productivity through access to a large virtual mac window inside a variety of environments, facilitating deep focus while reclining, sitting outdoors, or traveling. And the 3D image conversion of treasured photos is remarkable. On the whole, I've used it near daily for over a year and a half, and marvel at how many naysayers there are.

scyzoryk_xyz• 9 months ago

Now there is a comment I'm interested in here - because all the whining and yet actual users are far and few between.

I would ask for more observations.

electric_muse• 9 months ago

My use is more episodic than daily. But I love mine for many of the same reasons others have cited.

On a plane this is so useful. Flights go by much faster.

When traveling it’s so much less of a productivity drag to be able to pop this on and work with more real estate and focus.

The spatial videos and photos, whether taken with a real spatial device or upgraded later, are… so immersive. Seeing very old memories in 3d is emotional.

But I would pay so much to have a great gaming experience. Like a racing sim or something else realistic. The hardware is so impressive.

Frankly, I think this shines most as a consumption device for 3d content. There’s just not nearly enough yet.

jswny2• 9 months ago

Can you elaborate on how you use it with your Mac for productivity ? What’s the experience like vs using a large 5k monitor etc? What about for long hours?

WheatMillington2• 9 months ago

Aah yes this highly relevant product

Apple Vision Pro upgraded with M5 chip

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