New iPad Pro with M4 chip and Apple Pencil Pro

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2024/05/apple-unveils-stunning-new-ipad-pro-with-m4-chip-and-apple-pencil-pro/

by praseodym • 2 years ago

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retskrad• 2 years ago

Apple is just being slick. The M4 is a slightly tweaked M3.

vlod• 2 years ago

I was wondering why they keep comparing it to the M2 [0] rather than the M3.

I guess the M3 never got to the iPad.

[0] https://www.apple.com/ipad-pro/ (search for: learn how m4 powers performance)

eitally• 2 years ago

Fwiw, when they launched the M3 MacBook they also compared it primarily to the M1 rather than the M2... same reasons.

minimaxir6• 2 years ago

Honestly this just makes me happier that I invested in a M3 MacBook Pro.

jsheard2• 2 years ago

Is this tandem OLED display a first? I'm familiar with stacked LCD displays, they've been around for a while though mainly in reference monitors due to their inefficiency, but this is the first I've heard of anyone stacking two OLEDs on top of each other.

etempleton• 2 years ago

First I have heard of it in a consumer device. I suspect this is why the M4 is launching with this device. They are probably using the added efficiency to power the Tandem OLED without sacrificing performance / battery life compared to the previous gen.

I will be interested to see what this looks like in person and if it makes it to consumer televisions. I personally find OLED bright enough for indoor use, but a lot of people complain about the reduced brightness on OLED TVs and monitors.

jwells89• 2 years ago

The most common situation where screen brightness is an issue for me is in rooms with big windows and a lot of natural light. On sunny days I find ~400nits to be about the minimum required to cut through glare on matte displays… for mirror-like glossy displays it’s even higher.

jsheard2• 2 years ago

Aside from higher peak brightness I would assume it's also less prone to burn-in, the rate that OLED pixels degrade is proportional to how bright they run, and distributing the brightness over two stacked layers means each layer only needs to run roughly half as bright. Not exactly half since the top layer won't be perfectly transparent, but close enough.

nerdjon• 2 years ago

I was curious about that also, trying to look past the marketing speak on whether or not this is actually as big of a thing as they are saying it is?

Particularly compared to OLED on TV's.

throwaway290• 2 years ago

I think it's an attempt to alleviate burn in and flicker (at least during the warranty period;))

chrisshroba• 2 years ago

The gyroscope and haptic feedback in the apple pencil pro seem pretty cool for artists and other creative uses!

jeffbee• 2 years ago

Yeah, it looks pretty awesome, I am just a little afraid of the price. I want to see one of these in person so I can feel the textured screen. Does it actually have a "feel"? I currently use a textured screen cover for iPad art and it has a great feel but everything else about it is terrible, from the mandatory daily cleaning to the way it grinds pencil tips.

But I guess I will never find out since it would cost $1548 to replace my existing 12.9 iPad Pro, net of the trade-in. Yikes. Could probably get double the trade value they are offering on eBay or Craigslist.

daft_pink2• 2 years ago

It doesn’t move the needle for me to purchase it. My m1 iPad Pro still does everything I want it to and I don’t use it that often, but when I do I love it.

etchalon• 2 years ago

The curse of Apple Silicon. Everything's basically "fast enough" already.

divan2• 2 years ago

I have iPad Pro from 2020 (pre M1). It's still way faster than I need (most heavy work I do on laptop) and still unbelievably good.

The only thing I miss is the ability to read under the bright sun. New Tandem screen unlikely to change it, so I'm opting in for 13.3" e-paper tablet. As I often read academic papers, that should be a killer one, but new 13" iPads also look promising for that!

cjk25• 2 years ago

That's a good point actually. I can't seem to even bend my M1 Pro MBP. It just eats everything I throw at it and shrugs. It's coming up to 3 years old now and looks like and works like the day it was made.

kraig9112• 2 years ago

I wanted the new apple pencil pro but it only works on the new ipads :( I have the m2 ipad pro. Literally there's no need but I love to draw on mine and that pencil with the accelerometer and gyroscope sounds amazing in procreate. I think we'll start seeing artwork where you can see the difference in brush work.

daft_pink2• 2 years ago

I think if you do a lot of drawing it makes sense, but otherwise not really. The only reason I bought the pro was for Face ID and it's a great product, but generally I need a Mac to complete any real work.

jmspring• 2 years ago

An M4 in an iPad. It feels like the hardware between an M* Macbook Air and the M* iPads is really about the same (maybe screen differences, a keyboard) and memory. That said, the real hinderance / differentiator(?) is what the OS allows you to do with the device.

dj_gitmo• 2 years ago

Does anyone game on iPad? I see the sell controllers, but what am I supposed to do with all these GPUs?

minimaxir6• 2 years ago

The megapopular free-to-play Genshin Impact and Honkai Star Rail (same devs) make full use of the Apple Silicon iPads. My M1 gets pretty hot when playing either at high settings. Not enough to make it worth upgrading to a M4, of course. Call of Duty: Warzone literally makes my fingertips hurt after one match and the graphics still aren't great.

Apple is pushing more for triple-A games being ported to the iPad (like Assassin's Creed they demoed), but it's a chicken-and-egg problem monetizationwise.

6gvONxR4sf7o• 2 years ago

The only thing that has me thinking 'ah that would be nice' over my m1 version is that it's lighter, especially with the new magic keyboard. With the keyboard, mine is heavy as hell.

Frustratingly, I can't find a weight spec for the magic keyboards, so I have no idea whether it's significantly lighter or what.

wannacboatmovie2• 2 years ago

So they've officially killed off the last iPad with a home button.

Elderly folks let out a collective groan since swapping a simple UI for an additional .5" of screen space seems like a poor tradeoff.

alephnerd7• 2 years ago

That button is an increasingly expensive component at scale, as it's a separate component to manufacture and build a supply chain for, as well as an additional component to add which can potentially fail.

This is why most carmakers are moving towards touchscreens now as well.

If you want to keep prices roughly comparable to previous SKUs in the midst of trade and supply chain kerfuffles, there has to be cost cutting somewhere.

wannacboatmovie2• 2 years ago

Carmakers are moving to touchscreens because they don't have to custom design hard keys for each model and can just reuse the same design in every one, just tweaking the software. It's pure cheapness, not an improvement in any way.

Apple has been building the same home button for a decade. It's a simple, familiar interface. iPads cost hundreds of dollars. Engineering the cost of a button out of it at this point is pure greed.

albert_e• 2 years ago

if Apple of all companies -- after decades of moral high standing about polished user experience and charging a premium for their brand -- is shaving pennies off the cost by removing physical buttons ... that's a shame!

if 3nm chip manufacturing receives so much interest -- why not a fraction of that investment in engineering more durable, lasting, and cheap physical components too.

years later Apple might be the company doing "radical innovation", being "uncompromising when it comes to UX" and add a physical button and charge a premium for it

switch0072• 2 years ago

Apple is indeed struggling and need to cut costs in every conceivable way

BurningFrog• 2 years ago

Last I heard, carmakers are moving away from touchscreens.

Because you can't use them without taking your eyes off the road.

anonymouse0083• 2 years ago

All I'm thinking about is what will Square do now. None of the iPads fit their Square Stand... I loved having a general compute iOS device on the stand for other apps, I hope they don't make us get their dedicated terminal...

kraig9112• 2 years ago

Yeah try as I might I'm not able to help my autistic daughter understand how to process this change. I should probably buy a few of the old ones to keep on standby.

pavelrub• 2 years ago

What do you mean? The previous iPad Pros didn't have a home button either. The last iPad with a home button was the 9th generation iPad, released in 2021.

mbrubeck• 2 years ago

Apple was still selling new 9th-gen iPads yesterday. As of today, it is no longer in their store.

The 10th-generation iPad (first released in 2022) is now the cheapest model you can buy new from Apple.

cletus2• 2 years ago

Don't get me started on the home button. I miss it dearly. The UI/UX of a home button is unmatched by any of the replacement gestures. Some of them are just plain bizaree too eg swipe up, right, up to get your apps.

The biggest problem is that swipe up depends on orientation of the app and that's not always clear, particularly if playing video. The app might be orientation locked in landscape even though you're viewing it in landscape.

And of course there's Face ID, which I personally hate. I know others like it but the false negative rate is horrendous. Plus they increase "security" by having a really lot limit on failed attempts before you have to enter your passcode anyway. And since attempts can be passive, you can hit the limit pretty often. Touch ID is just better in almost every way.

Plus Face ID is an accessibility nightmare as anyone who is vision impaired can tell you. The distance the device needs to be for Face ID to work is not the distance yo use the device at.

Every Apple device should have the option of Touch ID on the power button just like the iPad Air does. It's also why I own the iPad Air specifically.

chrisoverzero• 2 years ago

Some of them are just plain bizaree too eg swipe up, right, up to get your apps.

What on Earth are you referring to?

D13Fd3• 2 years ago

For me at least, it's an excellent trade off. I haven't had an iPad with a home button for years, and I can't imagine why I'd want to give up screen real estate or device size for a button. The swipe interface works perfectly and does the same thing.

jerlam• 2 years ago

The home button was a nice UI affordance, but it tended to fail after a few years. Every old iPhone and iPad that my parents used had home buttons that didn't click correctly - an minor annoyance in the years where upgrading your phone every two years was normal, but not for the present where people keep their devices for much longer, especially iPads with a much bigger battery.

I never had a device with the solid-state home buttons (like the iPhone 7 and 8), but I assume these were not an option due to cost.

rbanffy4• 2 years ago

It hasn't been a button in quite some time - their last implementation is a fixed button that doesn't move, the same way the trackpad on Macs doesn't have any switches.

paxys• 2 years ago

Here's the new iDevice. Same as the old iDevice, just with a ton of marketing and a 5% performance improvement. And you can do nothing with the added performance because it still runs a fully locked down OS. Yawn.

CooCooCaCha• 2 years ago

OLED, faster chip, better camera, improved accessories are all pretty nice things and definitely not the same device.

You Apple haters are tiresome. Hardware-wise what else do you want it to do?

jinushaun• 2 years ago

What’s wrong with that? Every new version is an upgrade for somebody. Not everyone is trying to upgrade every year. That’s wasteful.

dlivingston• 2 years ago

Who is the 'somebody'? Genuinely, I don't understand what segment of consumers will actually be leveraging the compute in this device.

ulfw2• 2 years ago

I have (sad) news for you: That goes for MOST of the world. Do you truly think in whatever new version of Nike sneakers there's truly something new and revolutionary in it or more likely "a ton of marketing and a 5% performance improvement"?

taco_emoji• 2 years ago

America's most innovative tech company introduces... Widget 7.0

iamsam123• 2 years ago

Interesting how many different offerings they have now outside of just spending the initial ~$1000 on the ipad itself. Purchasing the pencil, usb-c, key board, smart folio, logic pro (subscription), final cut (subscription), etc...

I'd be curious to know the average age of an ipad in circulation is now. I used an ipad for school from 2012-2017, never used the apple pencil, but it always worked great for my needs. My girlfriend got one for med school and uses it with the pencil especially when shes not at home.

alephnerd7• 2 years ago

+1 on the med student usecase. Same with my SO.

cm21872• 2 years ago

The non replaceable battery is I believe the way the make old ipads obsolete.

fckgw2• 2 years ago

A new battery is ~$100 parts and labor

kylehotchkiss3• 2 years ago

IMO the only things you need are a screen protector and an actual protective case like the otterbox one. I would think people have old Bluetooth mice and keyboards laying around

anonymouse0083• 2 years ago

@apple team: whomever approved your hydraulic press imagery forgot that "standing on the shoulders of giants" is an appreciation of, not a license to stomp on. words matter, images matter, it's how you tell us who you are.

numpad0• 2 years ago

I think it conveys its concept well: a lesser equivalent at high cost, aimed to destroy things of value, embracing AI cultural revolution.

ncr1003• 2 years ago

It was repulsive and disturbing to me. That piano could have been used.

* My other comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40292445

anonymouse0083• 2 years ago

Even if 'no animals were harmed' in the making, as in they pulled some filming tricks... it's still a disturbing message. They once understood 'marketing is about values' // what a sad value they proclaimed today, destroy the essence for our entertainment.

kylehotchkiss3• 2 years ago

I don’t get the controversy about this. At landfills with self service all over the USA, probably tens of thousands of Americans dumped substantially more useful stuff than that into the hydraulic trash compactor machine today. I sincerely don’t know what to do with old printers, I’d probably go drop it in there. Along with a bunch of old doors from my house. Sure they could be reused but how am I supposed to find the time and energy to get them to a new home? Have you ever tried to bring a bunch of stuff to goodwill? They sure say no to a lot of it!

drewcon• 2 years ago

I would buy this JUST for the camera being in a place that makes face unlock not fail 99% of the time because I'm covering the camera with my thumb.

cjk25• 2 years ago

Ah yeah this pisses me off on my M2 iPad Pro. Totally agree there.

I'm still not buying it though.

nijuashi6• 2 years ago

YES! This was a long overdue “feature”.

jauntywundrkind• 2 years ago

Every time Apple ups their display game, I shout, "Finally, someone else will have to take action & up their game! This will finally spurn everyone else into trying!" So far, not much luck!

And once again, Apple critically one-upping their themselves, while it feels like no one's started competing with the old product. OLED with 1000 nit full screen sdr output? That's 4x what most OLED monitors can do! 1600 nit hdr is great too.

These are amazing systems, must be stunning to see. I wish there were general purpose computers like this that could run Linux. I wish others could compete. Apple keeps being the SpaceX to the industry's Boeing.

hartator• 2 years ago

Running MacOS on this will be a dream.

Very hard to be productive coding on iPadOS. Even if it does become more and more possible with side-by-side windows, native terminals, and more versatile copy/paste.

fragmede• 2 years ago

You just know there's a lucky Apple engineer out there that has MacOS running on a iPad for testing purposes.

blindriver• 2 years ago

I try really hard to use my iPad but I forget about it most days. Sometimes I’ll watch movies on it in bed and that’s about it. A complete waste of money for me. The only time it truly was helpful was during online interviews when I could draw system design diagrams with the Apple pencil on them during zoom calls instead of using a mouse. Haven’t really used them since.

cletus2• 2 years ago

I'm struggling to see why I'd buy this over a Macbook Air.

I have an iPad Air. I use it a lot but generally just to watch Netflix or Youtube. I don't enjoy typing on it at all. I have the Air specifically because it's TouchID. I hate FaceID with a passion.

But this update has pushed up the iPad Pro price well into the Macbook territory and that's a much more capable and flexible device.

cjk25• 2 years ago

Tha main reasons I own an (11") iPad Pro are, you can write on it, which is really damn useful, you can wedge it places like tables on planes easier, it weighs hardly anything and you can charge it off a phone charger. Plus being TB based I can suck stuff off my camera without a dongle or any of that faff.

But yeah an MBA is more powerful, but it doesn't have those attributes.

If I was to start again I'd buy a bottom end Mac Studio for the 32Gb RAM baseline config, hang some TB drives off it and use the iPad as my "portable" computer.

D13Fd3• 2 years ago

The MacBook Air is better for sure, and if you only buy one, buy that one -- full stop.

But I use both, every day, at the same time. They are designed to work together. With universal control, my iPad sits next to my screen at work, and I do some things on the iPad, some on the MacBook. I also use my iPad on its own around the house. It's also incredibly nice for CAD work (Shapr3d) and photo processing (Lightroom).

The iPad is much more resilient to water, food, and dust. I design things in Shapr3d on the iPad and take the iPad to the garage to build them -- a little sawdust does not hurt it and it's easy to clean. It's also much better if you want to read while eating, especially with kids around. The keyboard doesn't get in the way and spilled water won't hurt it either. I use it while cooking and to watch TV while washing dishes.

The other thing the iPad can do that the MBA can't is that it's easily shareable. If you work with others, it's easy to pull up a PDF on an iPad and hand it to someone to look at or even annotate with the pencil. There is no awkward standing over your shoulder or handing off a laptop. Everyone instantly knows how to work with you on the iPad, and to review whatever you want them to review and hand it back.

Overall I still use my MacBook Air more, and it's more capable. You can't do serious coding or development work on the iPad, for example. But it's very much worth having the iPad as well, at least for me.

gumby6• 2 years ago

Those are almost exactly my use cases too; my difference is that I don't watch video but I do take my notes on the ipad, writing with the pencil. This works great because documents seamlessly work between the two devices.

By far I use the MBA the most, but the ipad is much better for a small number of use cases that are worth my spending on. And for those use cases the ipad air is sufficient, especially as I can now get a larger one. That's similar to the macbook air: I'm clearly a "pro" or "power user" and it has more than sufficient oomph (note: when I type 'make' the compilation doesn't happen locally)

ein0p• 2 years ago

iPad is better for consuming content and reading pdfs. That’s what I use it for, at any rate. There is no better device to plop atop my stationary bike while I pedal to watch shows, and there is arguably no better device to read scientific papers. And it lasts (and receives updates!) for years and years, thus becoming “inexpensive” over time even though the initial outlay is without a doubt eye watering.

busymom02• 2 years ago

I think the iPad hardware has been outstanding for many years. It's the software which is is limiting it constantly. They should let us put macOS or Linux on it. Or be able to do full on dev work (I realize some dev work is possible). If I could do my iOS and Android app dev on iPad, it would be instant buy.

asabla• 2 years ago

I think vittualization would be enough. Especially if it works well with an external monitor.

busymom02• 2 years ago

I need to be able to debug apps on physical devices from the iPad. And it needs to be wired connection because debugging over wifi even on my Mac is very bad (lots of complaints online about it too).

dan-allen• 2 years ago

Yeah iPad hardware is sadly limited by software and I think Apple shoots themselves in the foot.

It took them a long time to start allowing apps to use meaningful amounts of ram and managing custom fonts is a mess.

I also suspect the limited number of “pro” apps is partly thanks to how the App Store runs. If I were going to invest in developing powerful software for iPad, being at App Review’s whims and ever-changing policies seems like a pretty big risk.

Geee• 2 years ago

Anyone has experience with CAD modeling in Shapr3d with the Pencil? Does it make sense buying this device for this purpose?

fwef64• 2 years ago

With every new iPad they release I'm hopeful they add a support for virtualization. If I could run linux in a docker on an iPad I would switch to it as my main computing instantly, but as of right now I don't see a reason to upgrade what's basically a glorified ebook reader and Netflix player.

transpute7• 2 years ago

iPad Pro's 2024 hardware overachievement eclipses even the iPhone, for the first time. Will iPadOS 18 be unshackled to drive the M4? We'll find out at WWDC next month, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40287922

a2128• 2 years ago

Apple's sections about the environment in their announcements always makes me feel like I'm being gaslit as they mention anything but repair and supporting the consumer's right to reduce and re-use

cjk25• 2 years ago

The iPad is the notable omission from the Self Service Repair thing they are doing. I suspect it's just classified as disposable/recyclable.

(yes this annoys me)

sp332• 2 years ago

The larger one is 5.1mm thick. There aren't separate components any more, it's a smear of glue with some silicon and batteries suspended in it.

ncr1003• 2 years ago

AH could that be why their "thinnest iPad" advertisement was to crush usable piano, metronome, etc? the iPad division // department does NOT respect reuse?

ninininino• 2 years ago

I think the source of your sort of unconscious discomfort is because corporate speak is not about truth or justice or any moral/ethical system, it's about reputation-management of the firm and profit. They usually won't make direct provable lies, but will leave out any information that does not boost their reputation even if it's relevant or contradicts their messaging. But importantly, they are appealing to a sense of moral virtue when they brag about environmental responsibility or privacy, even if they aren't taking a lens of truth and justice to their analysis and messaging, but a biased one that ultimately favors profit.

This dissonance in tone vs real motive is really painful to people who care about nuance and truth and moral good, because it means they muddy the waters of what is right and wrong and confuse us.

gorwell• 2 years ago

They're bold enough to say they're carbon neutral.

"Today, Apple is carbon neutral for global corporate operations, and by 2030, plans to be carbon neutral across the entire manufacturing supply chain and life cycle of every product."

coldtea7• 2 years ago

Carbon neutral never really meant anything anyway.

And Apple's "Green" talk is just theater (well, just like everybody elses in tech, fashion, cars, etc).

Their whole business lies in making and selling more stuff, and getting people to replace them often with shiny new ones.

musictubes• 2 years ago

Unpopular opinion here but Apple’s approach to environmental stuff is more right than wrong. The biggest environmental impact of devices are in the manufacturing and disposel of them. At Apple’s scale all of the things they do add up. Their use of recycled materials, elimination of certain more toxic materials, and even just making lighter products and packaging all help. At a minimum, those efforts are better than not having them and seem to be more than any other manufacturer is willing to do. Apple has set a goal to have a closed production loop, using only materials that they have recycled from older ones. That’s really ambitious and I doubt they’ll get there 100% but once again, what other company is even trying that?

Usually the only thing people can point to for Apple not being as green as they’d like is the repairability of the products. I’m willing to bet that whatever additional waste that is created by that is more than offset by having devices that last longer. Devices that require fewer repairs and have good software support allows either you, or whoever gets your old devices, to keep using the same device for longer. Every device has a lifecycle, making it as long as possible is the best way to avoid environmental impacts.

goosedragons5• 2 years ago

They're doing a horrible job. You're right that the biggest environmental impact is manufacturing and disposal. But keeping a device running longer is better than manufacturing a new one from recycled parts . The way Apple handles storage and memory means ENTIRE devices need to be replaced when a new larger SSD or a few more gigs of memory are all that's really needed to keep a device in service for a few years longer. Not to mention stuff like just being able to actually replace the keyboard in any reasonable fashion, etc.

There's really very very little reason for all the Macs at least to not have M.2 slots besides letting Apple save pennies on SSD controller costs and convincing users to spring for overpriced upgrades. Even the iPad could probably use an M.2 SSD! The Surface Pros do!

prometheon1• 2 years ago

seem to be more than any other manufacturer is willing to do

I would agree if you change "any" to "most". Here are some examples of "any" manufacturers that are willing to do more:

- For tablets and phones: https://www.shift.eco/en/impact/

- For laptops: https://frame.work/sustainability

- For phones: https://www.fairphone.com/en/story/

lr1970• 2 years ago

Until Apple makes their devices with user replaceable batteries all their environmental efforts are falling short. Making consumable part -- a battery -- an integrated component that requires special tools and training to replace is environmental crime in name of planned obsolesce. Everything else Apple does are second-order effects.

steve19772• 2 years ago

Yeah their Watch bands are made of recycled plastic and they don’t use leather anymore. But the quality of the bands is often so bad that you have to replace them after a year or even only some months.

jq-r• 2 years ago

And the phone cases became overpriced junk.

lancesells3• 2 years ago

I bought a braided solo loop of theirs and it became stretched out within 5 months. I didn't do anything but take it off my hand each night to charge it. If that's the norm, and the Apple store employee made it seem that way, they shouldn't even sell them.

nozzlegear7• 2 years ago

Personally I think it’s better to do some good for the environment than no good for the environment. Don’t let perfect be the enemy of good. They should absolutely let us repair every device, but I’m glad they make the environmental efforts they currently do as well.

ncr1003• 2 years ago

Repulsive, how the FIRST introductory scene today was them CRUSHING perfectly usable products.

* https://twitter.com/nobi/status/1787888454849966295

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntjkwIXWtrc

They crushed paint, a piano, toys, and much much more.

All in the name of a convenient marketing ploy around "thinness." Seems anti-reuse to me.

rnadomvirlabe• 2 years ago

Am I reading this right that I can't use my Apple Pencil 2 on a new iPad Air or Pro? I have to buy the new pencil? What?

bydo• 2 years ago

That does seem to be the case:

https://www.apple.com/shop/select-apple-pencil

I don't see any real reason to upgrade from my M1 iPad Pro anyway, but that's disappointing.

minimaxir6• 2 years ago

That would also explain why retailers have been doing deep discounts on the current Pencil lately.

w14• 2 years ago

Possibly because they have moved the front camera and the charging no longer works with the old pen.

r0fl• 2 years ago

In Canada a fully loaded iPad Pro with nanotexture screen, 2TB, keyboard, pencil pro and apple care + tax is $5035.28

Wild to think that they sell 10,000s if not 100,000s of these configurations

balls187• 2 years ago

I am of the mindset that the fully tricked out apple models are for two groups nearly exclusively:

1) People who want to show off that money is no issue to them

2) Creative Firms with huge budgets for Apple gear.

renewiltord• 2 years ago

Wow, I didn't realize Final Cut Pro had all these features! The background clipping is sick. The document scanning is something I use my iphone for a lot and this new business with the flash to stitch sounds great.

virgildotcodes• 2 years ago

The fact that they specifically shouted out a portion of the M4 as being dedicated to driving the stacked OLED displays makes me think they'll be moving some of their laptops to OLED imminently as well.

jihadjihad• 2 years ago

With these advanced features, Apple Pencil Pro allows users to bring their ideas to life in entirely new ways, and developers can also create their own custom interactions.

Can someone please make it so that if you turn the "Pencil" upside down it acts as an eraser, like a real pencil would?

goosedragons5• 2 years ago

I think it would depend on there being bits for the iPad to track where the tip is for it to work well. Kinda funny that Apple calls their stylus a Pencil and lack this functionality while the Surface and Wacom "Pens" do.

sircastor• 2 years ago

I understand the desire to mimic an existing tool, but I would find this feature (more specifically if it were limited to that) to be really annoying.

To me this is an example of skeuomorphism that forces an older experience into the digital one.

nickthegreek• 2 years ago

But you wouldn't be required to use it, just erase how you do now. I would love for this and for it to be customizable. It could be used to become a highlighter/selector tool or some other concept that we don't know yet. Adding in more features to a pencil and ones that mimic and improve on old analog equivalents sounds exactly like that kind of improvements I would like to see.

ericcholis• 2 years ago

The pencil for the Remarkable tablet has this feature. I found that it was a great way to ease into digital note taking. Matching a real-world feature felt very natural.

wlesieutre• 2 years ago

Surface Pro did this ages ago, and while I like the iPad better in most ways for a tablet I would rather have the Surface’s eraser

rebuilder• 2 years ago

It works great on Wacom pens. Erasing is a pretty fundamental part of drawing and painting workflows.

nijuashi6• 2 years ago

Yes, it’s a bit of skeumorphism, but pencil end eraser is a great design!

It makes intuitive sense regardless of existing tool - write on one end, reverse to erase.

baq• 2 years ago

now that's a variant of 'you're holding it wrong' I haven't seen yet.

hollandheese2• 2 years ago

Why?

This is muscle memory that's built into every person who's taught to write. You should reuse that muscle memory if you can to make writing flow easier.

Sure if you were teaching people to write exclusively on these devices then coming up with something new would make sense but since we all go back and forth using the real world method makes the most sense.

gumby6• 2 years ago

This has been around for so long I wonder if there's a patent that is in the way of apple implementing it.

Even though I tend to like Apple gear: if there is such a patent in the way I'm sure they'll add this once the patent expires, and call it a revolutionary development.

paulmd4• 2 years ago

if it’s parent-encumbered, it’s literally been recognized as a novel and advanced innovation, that’s why it’s granted a patent in the first place. Choosing to license vs wait is a business decision but you’re spinning something that’s objectively true into somehow being a “trick”, which is a really common pattern when discussing apple for some reason (“selling or renting first-party tools is a trick”, for example).

_mlbt• 2 years ago

There's a double tap gesture on the second gen (and newer I think) version of the Apple Pencil that switches between the eraser and whatever tool you're using. I find this to be much more efficient and ergonomic than having to turn the whole pencil over to erase.

hackernewds• 2 years ago

Disagree with this

mcculley5• 2 years ago

I just bought an almost completely maxed out MacBook Pro and it annoys me that every other Apple product brags about having a cellular modem and no matter how much one is willing to spend, one cannot have a cellular modem in their power user laptop offering.

minimaxir6• 2 years ago

If you have an iPhone, the Personal Hotspot integration is surprisingly seamless, albeit not ideal.

mcculley5• 2 years ago

I have had an iPhone since 2012 and an Apple laptop since they were called PowerBooks. I am often in road warrior mode. No, it is not seamless. I have to restart it quite often. It is nowhere near as convenient and always on like it is with my Apple Watch and iPhone and iPad. And it burns two batteries at once.

I am convinced that it is the Qualcomm royalty situation that keeps Apple from shipping a cellular modem like Dell does.

gpm• 2 years ago

I have an android... and the hotspot integration (with my mac) is as simple as "click the hotspot button and everything works". Seriously wondering what you think "ideal" looks like if not that.

Well the wifi burns extra energy, but there's also the "plug them together with a USB cable, hit the USB tethering button, and everything works" option.

mfiguiere• 2 years ago

Two different M4 chips come with the new iPad Pro depending on the selected storage capacity.

Apple M4 chip Models with 256GB or 512GB storage: 9-core CPU with 3 performance cores and 6 efficiency cores 10-core GPU
Models with 1TB or 2TB storage: 10-core CPU with 4 performance cores and 6 efficiency cores 10-core GPU

bilsbie4• 2 years ago

Would it be possible to code on this?

I’m looking for an alternative to sitting at a desk all day.

KeplerBoy• 2 years ago

sure, you can expose your workstation with a vscode tunnel and access stuff via the web.

hbn2• 2 years ago

Seems overkill to get an M4-powered device to use as a dumb terminal.

1023bytes• 2 years ago

Not really. But you can remote into a real computer.

bilsbie4• 2 years ago

So a windows tablet would make more sense?

reachableceo• 2 years ago

I code on mine frequently. Using working copy and buffer. With git push and ci/cd it’s a great experience.

bilsbie4• 2 years ago

What’s buffer? ( I’m getting no relevant search results)

015a2• 2 years ago

I genuinely don't grok who is buying iPad Pros; outside of maybe artists & graphic designers? Maybe? But even there, wacomb-like tablets on Mac is still super popular, and the iPad Air in a bigger size is going to be crazy popular.

A 13" iPad Pro with keyboard is $1650. And you can't even get the nanotexture glass below 1TB; so that + keyboard is approaching $2300.

Who is buying this?

fshbbdssbbgdd4• 2 years ago

Currently an iPad Air with the Magic Keyboard is my main personal computer. I’ve found that it’s the most enjoyable device to use for internet browsing. It replaced my Chromebook, which had that role before. Like the Chromebook, it’s got a physical keyboard, so it’s good for typing. The cantilever also places the screen closer to my hands, helping me to fluidly switch between keyboard and touch navigation, which both work well. The browser is noticeably snappier than my Chromebook was, although that might come down to a better processor generation.

A secondary use-case is watching movies while traveling. I did my taxes on there too - Google sheets, scanning receipts from the camera into the Files app, all work well. I plugged in a monitor for that.

The one thing I’m not doing on there is coding. I only do that on my work laptop. If I had personal programming projects, I’d surely be using a laptop that lets me run my own code as my personal computer.

The price for the new Pro sure is high, but I’m tempted. The phone’s 120Hz OLED has spoiled me. Surely they sell more of the cheaper models, but they might as well make a halo device to rake in as much margin as they can from people who are willing to pay for the best.

janlukacs• 2 years ago

Why not use a Macbook Air for a full experience?

binary1323• 2 years ago

Every time I think about buying an iPad, I just find myself wishing there was a legit / better approach to, you know, computing on it.... I don’t do much for fun besides work on things that need compilers, debuggers, dynamic analysis, linking, JIT execution, tracing, and suchlike. All such endeavors are firmly impossible on iOS and iPadOS.

I think touch computers had enormous potential that has mostly been permanently squandered by making them into entertainment devices for users — not owners, and certainly not operators. The product barely even really belongs to you from that perspective.

This is something that Stallman and the Free Software movement got absolutely bang-on: proprietary software seeks to control its users and prevent them from truly owning and operating their computers. It’s almost impossible to overstate how important free computing is, and how much more important it will become in the future if we don’t secure our access to it.

nolist_policy• 2 years ago

Meh a Chromebook let's you run Linux apps thought. I can run full blown IDEs locally without problems. And yes, that is with 8Gb ram, ChromeOS has superb memory management.

cko• 2 years ago

Not an artist but the Wacom-like graphic tablets are tethered to the laptop or workstation, with at least two cables (one for power, another for the HDMI) so some artists do prefer the more portable solution of iPad plus that nice Procreate app.

millzlane• 2 years ago

People with government grant or unrestricted access to company money. Already spoke to people wanting to know when they can use their Cost center for one.

gaze• 2 years ago

mathematicians and physicists who use them for "pen and paper" calculations

diffeomorphism2• 2 years ago

Because the pro used to be the largest iPad with a pencil. Now you can get the air instead and "pen and paper" certainly does not need "pro" performance.

DamnInteresting• 2 years ago

I use my M1 iPad Pro for graphics work (from simple sketches to full illustrations), and for making music with multi-track recording apps. I don't bother with the keyboard since little of my input is text-oriented.

drcongo• 2 years ago

I'm going to. Every digital thing I do outside of my job happens on an iPad Pro and I absolutely love it. I make music in Logic Pro on an M1 iPad Pro - it's hard to overstate how amazing it is to be able to carry around an entire recording studio in such a tactile form factor. I can't get on with desktop DAWs at all.

joshlemer5• 2 years ago

Musicians, for the purpose of reading sheet music. Wrote about this here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40286085#40288121

dnissley• 2 years ago

If you click the date/timestamp on a comment you can get a direct link: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40288121

015a2• 2 years ago

I did not ask "who is buying iPads"; I asked who is buying the iPad Pro, especially now that the Air is available at the 13" size.

NikkiA2• 2 years ago

For which a $50 android tablet will suffice just fine.

SkyPuncher• 2 years ago

I had a 13” iPad Pro for work and I loved it. It’s basically the size of a standard piece of paper, so reading and writing is very natural.

That being said, I’m getting an iPad Air now that they offer 13”.

0x4572• 2 years ago

I don't have a personal laptop and use iPad Pro instead. I have a work laptop that I only use for work and I never take on vacations with me.

iPad Pro gives me:

- amazing SSH terminal

- ability to download content from streaming services to long-haul flights

- a decent size screen for watching TV in bed (my bedroom has a layout that prevents me from placing TV anywhere)

- a good steam/xcloud client

- when latency is too high for SSH, I have RPi I connect with USB-C to iPad and shows up as Ethernet adapter powered from iPad.

- a few games to play on the iPad itself when away

- I have a thunderbolt dock that my main PC is connected to, I can switch to my iPad. That with Stage Manager gives essentially focus-mode mac.

- nice screen (quality and size) to read things (not books, eInk is king there)

- nice screen to look at recipes while I cook

You might notice that none of these tasks require a powerful CPU, and you will be right. I got iPad Pro because of screen size and thunderbolt. Might switch to the new one because the camera is finally in the right place.

If I could run IntelliJ on iPad, even in remote mode - I wouldn't even think about buying a laptop.

nijuashi6• 2 years ago

Good call on SSH terminal. I use Prompt all the time to get on my workstation.

diffeomorphism2• 2 years ago

The screen quality is surely good, but why wouldn't an iPad air or Samsung whatever work just as well for all these use cases? Also, it seems that you connect a keyboard, a mouse, a game pad and a display... Cool that it works, but that is very far from out of box experience.

nijuashi6• 2 years ago

One segment - old people. It’s a great device - reliable, fast, convenient, and portable. Large screen is a godsend for old guy like me. If you own one, I think you may find it really pleasant to use as side device on your desk.

I had one from 2020, use it all the time over my phone, and I’m upgrading to this one. 512GB though - shame I can’t get the glass :(

nunez2• 2 years ago

I bought one last year to code with and give demos/workshops of our products. This worked mostly well given that I could remote into my work computer through a Tailscale subnet router.

I ultimately ended up selling it in lieu of a MacBook Pro and an iPad mini, as I really missed having a local dev environment.

However, laptops at my current employer are more locked down, so I can't SSH and VNC into them like I could before, even through Tailscale.

Given that I will still travel a lot with them and like to work on non-work things during flights without carrying two laptops, I decided to get the OLED 11" iPad Pro with the Keyboard that I can use to remote into my laptop at home.

I also draw heavily during deep dives and workshops; so much so, that I always have a Pencil with me in my fanny pack, which I carry with me everywhere. Given this, I also got me a Pencil Pro to replace it.

baby• 2 years ago

Me. Use it to read pdfs, draw, watch youtube and netflix, or as my laptop when I’m traveling. Best purchase I made.

chankstein38• 2 years ago

I don't understand the fluff about thin devices. I bought an iPad air a few years back and every time I picked it up the screen warped and I could see my fingers pressing through the back. I got a case for it thinking that'd help but I could still see it happen if I pressed hard enough. Returned immediately for the iPad Pro. I can't help but expect this would have similar problems AND it's Pro priced.

w-ll2• 2 years ago

Also they wobble when places on a table, why cant they make it thicker, give more battery.

Like this is crazy that the pencil is thicker.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/images/2024/05/apple-unveils-...

reaperducer• 2 years ago

Also they wobble when places on a table,

It's a feature, not a bug. Just like the iPhones, it doesn't sit flat on a table so that people can't grind dirt into it and scratch up the back and complain on the internet about how it scratches all the time.

transpute7• 2 years ago

the fluff about thin device

So that iPad Pro + Magic Keyboard is close to Macbook.

joshspankit5• 2 years ago

But again: why focus on thinness in a pro device?

nozzlegear7• 2 years ago

I generally prefer thin devices to a certain point, and then after that I agree that it’s just fluff. I think showing how a product is “thinner” is an easy way to show that it weighs less, which is what I care about in thin devices.

joshspankit5• 2 years ago

Would you trade 600g and a slightly thicker device for double the battery life?

gumby6• 2 years ago

I don't know; I had an ipad air 2 (until now the thinnest ipad ever) and now use a 2020 ipad air and never had those issues -- I even carry my coffee using the ipad as a tray.

The ipad 2 would lie flat on the table. I don't understand the fetish for a camera bump. It makes the phones suck too. You need a case of some sort to make them lie flat. They could just make the batteries bigger and keep the whole thing flat.

rantee• 2 years ago

Totally agree - I don't find "stunningly thin and light design" to be a selling point any more. I want to hold a durable device without feeling like it might break or slip out of my hands, without needing a chunky case.

ShakataGaNai2• 2 years ago

The iPad Pro plus keyboard folio was thicker and heavier than a MacBook Air. So honestly, this change is welcome. If they can get the keyboard+ipad combo into the same range as the MBA…I’d take the iPad instead. Today I’m at a conference and took my MBA because it’s the lightest option for all day carry.

transpute7• 2 years ago

The entry price for a virtualization-optimized iPad Pro (née Ultra?) is $1600 USD for 4 performance cores, 16GB RAM and 1TB storage. Keyboard, pencil, LTE will push the cost over $2K.

Is that sufficient tribute for Apple to unlock M4 and iOS 18 support for nested virtualization of macOS and Linux? Until then, iSH Linux emulation on iPad Pro offers a functional CLI, patience exercises and redlined CPU cores for hand warming.

rbanffy4• 2 years ago

Different form factors and different use cases. They don't want to make a sub-par laptop out of an industry-leading tablet.

transpute7• 2 years ago

Why spend expensive silicon real estate on hardware virtualization rather than AI with Neural Engine?

Why make a Macbook-aesthetic Magic Keyboard for iPad Pro?

Why was iOS implemented as a subsystem of macOS?

They don't want to make a sub-par laptop out of an industry-leading tablet

Fortunately for healthy competition, Microsoft/HP/Dell/Lenovo don't have that constraint for their new Arm devices, based on M3-competitive Qualcomm SoC from former Apple Silicon talent.

robbyiq999• 2 years ago

The ipad pro is an absolutely stunning and amazing piece of hardware. The sad part is, to get the most out of it; say as a power user, you'll likely be spending a combined ~$300 a month subscription for any of its 'killer apps' on the app store. The subscription model for me personally has been such a turn off for these locked down apple products.

vadersb3• 2 years ago

I was a long-time iPad fan for more than a decade, currently using 5 year old iPad Pro 10.5 which works flawlessly but its battery is quite degraded already.

With these new iPads introduced I no longer have a viable upgrade path: iPad pro is a no-go for me because of OLED screen (which I strongly oppose, PWM, irregular subpixels, etc.) and newly introduced iPad Air doesn't have 120Hz display (or ProMotion in Apple terms). So, there are no new iPads with LCD display and ProMotion.

What a sad state both Apple hardware and Apple software are in.

rbanffy4• 2 years ago

Your requirements seem exceedingly demanding. What use are you making of the iPad that is not fulfilled by their current line?

deergomoo• 2 years ago

What a sad state both Apple hardware

That seems a tad dramatic. Why don’t you buy a (now) previous gen iPad Pro? That’s LCD (mini-LED if you get the 12.9”), ProMotion, still absurdly thin and powerful (especially for anything you can actually do with an iPad), and likely soon discounted to clear stock.

vadersb3• 2 years ago

Yeah, going with prev gen iPad Pro would definitely be a valid choice. I was talking about the general state of Apple hardware and software, not only iPad. The fact that base iPhone 15 model has 60hz screen (while obviously having more than enough power to drive 120hz display) is frustrating. Personally I perceive it as a hostile stance towards anyone who considers themselves a tech enthusiast. There are many more examples of that. Like pop up warning about 10% battery left forcibly stops current audio message recording. Inexcusable.

AISnakeOil2• 2 years ago

What do you oppose with PWM, irregular subpixel displays? I'm curious why do you think these new improved displays are inferior to the LCDs of the past?

ProfessorLayton• 2 years ago

I went from a regular iPhone 11 to a 15 Pro Max, and when the screen is dim I can see it flicker, which is distracting and fatiguing to look at due to PWM rates being too low. OLED screens have plenty of pros, but aren't certainly without their cons.

canoebuilder• 2 years ago

Would you mind going into more details about what you see as the OLED downsides? Is it just Apple’s variant, or the broader product category?

vadersb3• 2 years ago

It’s OLED in general, because of PWM flickering first of all. I strongly prefer IPS LCD for any screen that’s used for longer than brief periods of time. Btw Apple IPS screens in iPads, MacBooks, etc demonstrate that that tech is capable of producing great image quality

SomeHacker44• 2 years ago

To be fair, the increasing lack of choice in both hardware and software/operating system is why I left the Apple ecosystem 5 years ago. I have no complaints now; tons of vendors and operating systems to choose from. Well, hardware vendors anyway.

ulfw2• 2 years ago

One thing I learned in life is to try to not be miserable by being too pedantic. The world isn't perfect. While striving for one's own perception is honorable, thriving for perfection in their purchase decisions is futile.

Do you REALLY need 120Hz? How much do you scroll for it to be relevant enough?

Also you had plenty of time to buy the 11" iPad Pro with M1 and M2 chips, all come with a not-well-saturated LCD screen.

joshlemer5• 2 years ago

An under-appreciated user base for tablets is musicians. I can't speak to other genres but in recent years in the classical music world, a ton of professional and amateur musicians, and private tutors, have made the switch from paper sheet music, towards tablets. Most of the marketing around iPad and other tablets seems to target visual art, video editing, music editing, etc. But where a tablet may be a nice supplement to a desktop/laptop for those uses, it is a total game changer for sheet music since it can replace folders upon folders and boxes of sheet music which people have to lug around all over, and no other form factor can replace paper.

The iPad Pro, 12.9" has been by far the most popular model which, paired with the ForScore app (https://forscore.co/), lets users easily read and annotate sheet music.

What's interesting about THIS release for the sheet music use case is that, anything less than the 12.9" screen is just simply too small for reading music off of, full stop. 11" will not do. But musicians have been forced to fork over way too much money for the grossly overpowered pro model because it was the only one with the largest screen size. With this release, finally musicians can purchase a more appropriately-powered and appropriately priced 13" iPad Air, with a base model going for $800 rather than the pro model which starts at $1400.

However, for what it's worth, after doing a lot of research for my purchase I ended up going with the Samsung Galaxy S9 Ultra which actually sports a whopping 14.6" screen, allowing you to view two pages of sheet music in landscape mode. It also comes with the pen included for the price of about $765 USD. Samsung also makes available a cover which has a really cool origami design that allows you to prop up the device in portrait mode, which I haven't seen on any other tablet (https://www.samsung.com/ie/mobile-accessories/galaxy-tab-s9-...). This is actually perfect for sheet music reading! You can get by playing around the house without even a music stand, since you can just let it stand on its own. I was cautious about going the non-standard route with the Samsung rather than the iPad but I have to say I am quite pleased with the result, having used the tablet for practice every day for about a month. ForScore isn't available on Android but I have loved working MobileSheets (with https://www.zubersoft.com/mobilesheets/) which is actually cross-platform (windows/mac/android/ios).

I'm just a hobbyist myself, but it removes a lot of friction in my daily practice, private lessons, and rehearsals. I'm currently studying out of 3 different study books, as well as some scale studies, then some random duets, and then some "just for fun" pieces like the Halo game soundtrack. Then my orchestra has pieces. Using the app allows me to instantly navigate between all these much more easily than on paper, and I don't have to remember which books/pieces to take to lessons/orchestra/practice, everything's there all the time.

Plus, the ability to annotate music non-destructively lets me make better progress. I'm more willing to highlight tricky spots to remember what to focus on. Or, if I'm working through an etude book, I can annotate/re-annotate what tempo I practiced it at, so I can make sure I'm slowly making progress increasing speed.

Sorry for the long rant, all this is just to say that tablets for musicians are super awesome! There are also other benefits, like for instance with a tablet, you can get a bluetooth foot pedal which allows you to use your foot to turn pages which can be a challenge during performances (piano performances often even have a human page turner sitting beside the performer). Some people even use facial gestures like winking to trigger page turns.

This person has also done a lot of research on different tablets and produced a great report https://www.tablets-for-musicians.net/best-tablets/

ben7799• 2 years ago

Great point. I have an 10.x/11" iPad Air (the one that just got replaced) and I use it on the music stand frequently.

I disagree it is unworkable, but I would agree it's not workable in a performance. For me it is OK for practice. I use SoundSlice a lot, which is pretty good. PDF sheet music is a lot more annoying on the smaller screen.

I have wanted to trade for the 12.9" iPad but the "Pro" part is what keeps me from doing it. I may very well trade mine in on the new 12.9" iPad Air. The "Pro" Tax has just seemed way too high and pointless for me.

I have a MBP as well. People who don't play music regularly just don't understand how much better a tablet is for this use case.

Also for having a Zoom/Facetime/whatever with the iPad on the music stand while you work on music together.

AISnakeOil2• 2 years ago

What do people even use iPads for?

lysecret• 2 years ago

Sad to see no iPad mini. That one’s my favourite. Would be cool to have it with pro motion.

cheshire137• 2 years ago

I was wanting a Mini update, too.

yakshaving_jgt• 2 years ago

The iPad is an excellent form factor for using on aeroplanes. I wish my iPad would let me play Fallout 4. That, with a normal Xbox controller, would be just perfect for passing the time while flying.

tiffanyh• 2 years ago

(I mistaken posted this on the wrong thread, so re-posting)

Nano-Texture

I really hope this comes to all Apple products soon (iPhones, all iPads, etc).

It's some of the best anti-reflective tech I've seen that keeps color and brightness deep & bright.

kylehotchkiss3• 2 years ago

It should be a replaceable screen cover. Then if it gets scratched by the wrong microfiber you can undo the mistake

ksec• 2 years ago

I think I should dig up all the comments about how iPad or iPhone cant be any thinner.

Now I wish an iPhone Plus with this sort of thickness. Or basically an iPad Pro mini that is the size of iPhone.

Tiktaalik• 2 years ago

All these new chips and tbh it doesn't really matter if I still can't code on it yet.

These devices have been absolute workflow game changers for the artists in my life, but for coders, it's like a toy and nothing more. They're handcuffed from doing any creative work with it.

It's incredible how powerful these devices are, but so much potential only usable for watching youtube.

jimbobthrowawy• 2 years ago

Running code from outside of the appstore is coming within the next six months in the EU. That should alleviate the problem somewhat. I look forward to apple getting more compliant with how the DMA is actually supposed to function.

joshspankit5• 2 years ago

That should alleviate the problem somewhat.

This comment comes across as being from someone who has never paid attention to Apple’s business tactics. No offence.

Maybe I’m on the opposite end and too cynical, but I don’t think we know a) whether Apple will practice malicious compliance in a way that makes the ruling meaningless or b) whether they will comply at all.

And if they do comply in any way, we don’t know how long they will keep it that way before clawing back little by little or simply ending that compliance.

qwerpy• 2 years ago

Also missing a fully functional ad blocker.

shmoogy• 2 years ago

Rumor is safari will have a good one built in and some kind of ai to select and remove ads on pages you want.

nunez2• 2 years ago

AdGuard works pretty well?

Vingdoloras• 2 years ago

What's creeping me out is that there's zero mention of how the nano-texture display affects pencil use.

The nano-texture on the standalone display Apple offered a while back was very fragile (if I remember correctly)... I would imagine touching it, let alone dragging a pencil across it, could very quickly leave visible scratches?

If not - will this wear through Apple Pencil tips like they're made of rubber?

joshspankit5• 2 years ago

And now the pencil gets a “you’re poor if you own the old one” branding.

zerof1l• 2 years ago

Thinnest Apple Product Ever

The engineering efforts invested into thinning down devices could be more wisely spent on making them better. Sounds like an arbitrary top-down marketing requirement limitation. Who cares if their iPad is 1mm thinner?

Dave Jones did some quick calculations and if the iPad was 1mm thicker, the battery capacity would be at least 50% more! And if it was 2mm ticker, the camera lenses would be flush with the back instead of sticking out.

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