Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

https://blog.darksky.net/

by SamuelAdams • 4 years ago

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darknoon• 4 years ago

So sad, I use this app every day!

tern• 4 years ago

Just downloaded the new iOS weather app and it has all the features I use from Dark Sky.

I even prefer the interface!

For what it's worth, I often enjoy when Apple absorbs apps. I thought they did a fantastic job with Shortcuts.

switch007• 4 years ago

Isn't the Weather app pre-installed?

Alex39172• 4 years ago

Same, it’s literally my most used app. I’m growing container figs in a low-soil medium, so if they go even an hour too long without water they freak out.

jmann99999• 4 years ago

I am a long-ago purchaser of Dark Sky. I find I never use it on my iPhone. Carrot Weather is always superior in both the forecast and Radar. Dark Sky's "it will rain in 5 minutes" was hit or miss.

I live in the mountains, so perhaps, Dark Sky works well in a less difficult environment.

That said, if it disappears tomorrow, I won't miss it.

404mm2• 4 years ago

I used Dark Sky on iPhone until they redesigned the Weather app. Then the stock option became an immediate drop-in replacement.

I wish the API remained open so others can use it but as far as the app itself, it was never really that good.

vanshg• 4 years ago

Apple now offers a WeatherKit REST API

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/weatherkitrestapi

pronoiac• 4 years ago

I'm picking up Carrot Weather now. Its "Editors' Choice" description says it draws data from Dark Sky, though?

Edit: disregard the source comment. It draws from multiple sources, like Foreca.

sklargh3• 4 years ago

You can pick your data source from a list...it also has a nice function that will use your weather station for local conditions within a given radius. That said you need to use a specific brand of weather station for that to work.

mahmoudhossam• 4 years ago

Carrot just pushed an update that switches the Dark Sky source to Apple weather.

irq• 4 years ago

I also second the recommendation for CARROT Weather [0]. I switched to it a few years ago from Dark Sky and never went back.

[0] http://meetcarrot.com/weather/

celsoazevedo• 4 years ago

Carrot Weather

I don't know about the iOS app, but at least the Android version has a few trackers: https://i.imgur.com/qyRL4jf.png

From here: https://reports.exodus-privacy.eu.org/en/reports/com.grailr....

kstrauser3• 4 years ago

Carrot is a great app. However, it's expensive and massively overkill for people living in the Bay Area. $40 a year for a warning the 10 times a year it rains is a bit much.

Still, until iPadOS 16 brought a native weather app, Carrot was the best alternative for using the same app across all my devices (Mac, iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch). I'm glad the built in Weather app is sufficiently good that I can drop that subscription.

Spooky23• 4 years ago

I want to like carrot, but agree it’s too expensive. I use apple weather/weather.gov and MyRadar.

MyRadar is the best weather radar app I’ve found and once little league season starts it’s an essential.

j1elo• 4 years ago

You made me question myself if we're looking at the same app... in the "Premium Club" section of the Android Carrot app, I'm reading "Three day free trial, 3.89€ per year after that." This unlocks the Widget, the time machine (past weather reports), removes ads, and saves a kitten. All good things!

tzs• 4 years ago

It didn't occur to me until they were gone, but I wish I'd asked my roofers what they used. I had my roof replaced a couple years ago in early March. Here in the Puget Sound area by than the winter rain has fallen off, but February and March still average about 6 inches each, so the schedule was "we'll do it when it isn't going to rain".

I got a call one evening saying they'd be over at 8 AM the next day, unless forecasts changed before then. That surprised me because all my weather sources were saying there was a high chance of rain after noon.

They showed up at 8 AM and promptly got to work removing the old roof. I'd expected them to work in sections, taking off the old roof in a section and then putting the new on up to the waterproof underlayment. (The shingles were due to be delivered that evening, so would have to wait until the next day). That way if the rain came earlier than expected they would be able to waterproof whatever section they were on in time.

Nope. They took it all off. They were confident that whoever was doing their forecasting was right that they had enough time to get the whole thing waterproof before the rain started.

As they started putting on the new stuff the clouds were darkening and it sure looked to me like rain was imminent. But they just kept going at the same pace.

As they put the last of the waterproof lining on and started coming off the roof, it started pouring. They packed up, told me they would be back tomorrow at 8 AM to put on the shingles, and left.

Drybones• 4 years ago

Upsetting about the app, but the new iOS weather app has the functionality essentially.

The real gut wrencher is the darksky website going down. It’s how I check weather most of the time a no other browser weather site comes close to it in simplicity and features.

quickthrowman2• 4 years ago

It definitely does not have the same functionality, you can only see the current temp/precip prob %/humidity/dewpoint/wind speed/etc, you can’t see the forecasted stats I listed in the iOS weather app, you can only get hour by hour temperature.

I’m very disappointed that Dark Sky is going away. If Apple added in the ability to see forecasted hour by hour wind speed/humidity/dew point/etc, it’d be a decent replacement.

dcormier• 4 years ago

In iOS 16 it’s greatly improved. You can now get the predicted hourly temperature, UV index, wind, rainfall, feels like temperature, humidity, visibility, and atmospheric pressure.

samcat116• 4 years ago

This has changed completely in iOS 16

pgoggijr• 4 years ago

Most of the functionality is coming in iOS 16: https://www.macrumors.com/2022/06/08/ios-16-weather-app-upda...

Shank• 4 years ago

I’m very disappointed that Dark Sky is going away. If Apple added in the ability to see forecasted hour by hour wind speed/humidity/dew point/etc, it’d be a decent replacement.

In iOS 16 (and in macOS Ventura, which adds the Weather app), you can view hourly temperature, UV index, wind speed, precipitation, feels like, humidity, visibility, and pressure, on a graph. You can also tap and hold to view individual hourly data. You should see if the updated experience works for you!

jnovek2• 4 years ago

I get migraines triggered by the weather and I can’t find another app with barometric pressure forecasts and history.

morley• 4 years ago

I've used the weather.gov site for the last ~5 years, and it has been great. I bookmark both the 7-day local forecast[1] and the hourly dashboard[2].

[1] https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?lat=40.71234500000...

[2] https://forecast.weather.gov/MapClick.php?w0=t&w3u=1&w5=pop&...

arh68• 4 years ago

Along these lines, I also really like the Aviation Radar maps

[1] https://aviationweather.gov/radar/plot?region=alb

(feel free to change, in the top left, Type = Comp Ref, and to Loop)

nojito• 4 years ago

They also have a really nice api.

https://www.weather.gov/documentation/services-web-api

adolph2• 4 years ago

The advantage of DarkSky was hyperlocalized forecast. I was able to time a walk between buildings dryly.

runarberg• 4 years ago

Doesn’t seem to have configurable units... They provide today’s temperature in both Fahrenheit and Celsius (as well as pressure in mb and inches [why mb instead of hPa I don’t know]), but wind speed is stuck in MPH (I prefer m/s) and future dates are always Fahrenheit. Also it is missing detailed forecast for future dates.

Overall pretty lacking in usability compared to dark sky.

acomjean• 4 years ago

I started using the weather.gov hourly dashboard when I started riding my bike 5 years ago. A couple weeks in and It really was very intuitive to read. I like that it also highlights the sunrise and sunset times.

Maursault2• 4 years ago

Same, but since 2010 on iPad. When Dark Sky got popular, I looked at it, but I couldn't understand what the fuss was about. I'm sure the data is fine, but it is not an attractive app by any means, the graphics all look washed-out, and the data presentation is nothing special. Everything needed for local weather is provided by that free hourly dashboard on weather.gov. Because it is slick, I also use RadarScope on rainy days, and not as often for checking wind I'll use windy.com. On CLI I use py-metar to grab weather data from nearby NOAA stations, but I get those station IDs from weather.gov

tomaskafka4• 4 years ago

Hi, if you like meteograms (I do, as you might tell :)), I tried to make them really really beautiful, and turn them into home/lock screen widgets and watch complications in Weathergraph: https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id1501958576

misnome• 4 years ago

I've found that the Weather app maps are lower resolution than the Dark Sky app, and still has the bug where large portions of the weather radar just.. disappears when trying to render the recent history.

sklargh3• 4 years ago

https://open-meteo.com/en will let you create a very nice dashboard for yourself...very easy to use.

jszymborski• 4 years ago

I usually used Darksky for the hourly percipitation forecast. It helped me time things out.

For fellow Canadians who used it similarly, the Canadian Gov't has a pretty handy hourly forecast[0].

The radar is also nice [1].

[0] https://www.weather.gc.ca/forecast/hourly/qc-147_metric_e.ht...

[1] https://www.weather.gc.ca/map_e.html?layers=radar&zoom=-1&ce...

emptybits2• 4 years ago

Agree. I have trusted the Environment Canada forecasts for years. Web and basic app. The government-issued stuff isn't as featureful or pretty as some apps, but I go back to it every time because its track record here (Vancouver) has been good to me.

I wish there was an API or non-scraping approach to retrieve the daily & hourly forecasts. With the popularity of open data policies on tax-funded public data... it seems there should be.

unsignedint• 4 years ago

Shortly after Darksky left Android, started using Windy. [1]

Not necessarily a simplest solution for weather forecast, but provides wealth of information to satisfy my meteorological curiosity as well. (I pay Premium for higher precision data, and I think it worth every penny IMHO.)

[1] https://www.windy.com/

seanp2k23• 4 years ago

https://weatherflow.com/ is also good. I pay for their iKiteSurf product as a kitesurfer and it works decently well once you understand what "16 knots" at one spot vs another really means out on the water.

lighttower• 4 years ago

I use VentuSky. I pay for the premium layers. Happy customer

JeremyNT2• 4 years ago

On android, I switched to the open source "wX" app, which uses NWS data under the hood. It's incredibly detailed and although the UX is a little rough it's because it's aimed at power users, so I figured the HN crowd might appreciate it.

Play store: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=joshuatee.wx

F-Droid: https://f-droid.org/packages/joshuatee.wx/

Source: https://gitlab.com/joshua.tee/wx

rubslopes• 4 years ago

Wow, it has super recent street cam images throughout my city. I had no idea this existed. Thanks!

GeekyBear4• 4 years ago

The iOS weather app has the functionality, without selling your location data to data brokers, as has normally been the case with third party weather apps.

Weather apps are secretly selling your location data to the highest bidder

https://thenextweb.com/news/weather-apps-are-secretly-sellin...

hahajk• 4 years ago

This looks like Dark Sky's response to that article.

https://mobile.twitter.com/darkskyapp/status/108135144619558...

So, not the case with Dark Sky.

yieldcrv• 4 years ago

Oh wow I did not notice that the weather app has maps of all area thermometers now

Thats what I used wunderground and dark sky for

can finally uninstall wunderground for good, thanks!

festiveakp• 4 years ago

Usually I use the default Samsung weather app, but when I'm on my PC https://wttr.in/ is a fun one, and you can even get terminal-readable output by using something like cURL!

seanp2k23• 4 years ago

Nice, I made something similar with https://github.com/ip2k/we4ther?files=1 a decade ago. It used to be up at we4ther.com but I hadn't updated the code in a long long time and didn't bother migrating it to my latest server. The free MaxMind GeoIP DB is def good enough to detect location (this was before the browser location API) close enough to give accurate weather.

jrockway• 4 years ago

For weather stuff, there are a lot of good resources. For current conditions, I use my state's mesonet: https://www2.nysmesonet.org/ (Specifically, I bookmark a nearby location: http://www.nysmesonet.org/weather/local#network=nysm&stid=bk.... This page also pulls in official National Weather Service forecasts.)

For radar, I just use GR Level 3. I was tired of the slowness of the web. I add shapefiles for mPING, lightning, NWS watches, NWS convective outlooks / mesoscale discussions, etc. Great piece of software, and lots of shapefiles available on the Internet to extend it.

For forecasting, I use the College of DuPage forecast tools: https://weather.cod.edu/forecast/. There is a learning curve, but the "simulated reflectivity" is a prediction of where it's going to rain. It predicts what a radar mosaic would look like at the forecast time. I like HRRR for "today" and NAMNST for "tomorrow". GFS is also a classic for longer-term predictions, but I don't have a good enough memory to tell you how accurate it is. (HRRR is some good tech, though. Predicting the future is tough, HRRR does a pretty good job.) These models also have decent surface predictions; temperature, dewpoint, winds, etc. If you're willing to step through some pretty pictures in a very nice web interface, you can get some great ideas of what the weather is going to do. Well worth a visit.

On NAM and some other models, you can also long-press on a point to see a forecast sounding. This is probably in the realm of too much information for the average person interested in weather (and using models to make your own forecast probably is too), but hey, they have some neat software and you should play with it.

Finally, I like the SPC's site for situational awareness of thunderstorms in the summer: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/. Their forecast tools are also excellent: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/exper/. Specifically, the mesoanalysis graphics can be interesting for anticipating exceptional events.

Anyway, I used to be a heavy user of Weather Underground. They got bought, then their parent company got bought, and now they have no actual weather information and just clickbait videos. It's very sad, but you can cobble together some tools that are freely available on the Internet and be aware of the current and upcoming weather, without being served a single ad!

Otherwise, iOS has a thing you can turn on that notifies you when it thinks it's going to start raining.

soheil2• 4 years ago

The iOS 16 beta Weather app has incredible features and down to the hour granularity even for future days.

neon_electro• 4 years ago

That’s all the hope I have left. Bring on iOS 16, I suppose. RIP Dark Sky

diebeforei485• 4 years ago

Is this the 16.1 beta, or the 16.0 release?

gcanyon• 4 years ago

Does iOS do the freaky-accurate “light rain starting in five minutes, ending twenty minutes later” thing? If so, I’d love to know where, I’ve missed it.

lathiat• 4 years ago

I get that from the "Rain Parrot" app.

Alex39172• 4 years ago

No, but it's currently in beta in the API, so possibly it will come in the future:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/weatherkitrestapi/...

NobodyNada• 4 years ago

Yes. If there’s rain forecasted for the next hour, it’s displayed prominently on the top of the weather interface (it’s hidden if there’s no rain expected). It will also appear on your home screen if you add a weather widget.

bsimpson• 4 years ago

FWIW, Google does that (at least on Android). You get a notification if it's expected to rain soon.

Honestly, Dark Sky had been my habitual weather app until Apple killed it, but it doesn't seem as accurate as I expected. I don't know if this means I've been in places where their data is less optimized, or if I'm just noticing it more now that I have to look at other options.

Jamie9912• 4 years ago

It depends where you are exactly, I had it available in the UK, but in Australia I haven't seen it

Mandatum• 4 years ago

Recommend windy.com

cycomanic2• 4 years ago

The best weather website IMO is windy. I used it a lot when I was sailing/windsurfing, but you can also use it for general forecasts.

__mp• 4 years ago

I like

- https://www.meteoblue.com - check out the multi model, the multi model ensemble , the meteograms and the weather maps! Sadly the app itself is not as good as the website.

- https://yr.no - One of the few "free" providers with ECMWF model data (Norway has open data, that's why the data is free)

- https://www.windy.com/ - ECMWF, GFS and ICON. I don't like their presentation, but the available data is quite nice.

If you want a DarkSky replacement API, then checkout out https://pirateweather.net/ (GFS only, sadly :/ )

hollywood_court• 4 years ago

I’ve used this app for years. I will have to check out the new iOS weather app.

Honestly the Dark Sky rain predictions are usually wrong more often than not.

I use it to monitor rain to keep my zoysia nice, but it has been disappointing me recently.

CrazyStat• 4 years ago

It must vary by location. Dark Sky is usually right on point for me.

I was pissed when they cut off Android support. I eventually got over it and subscribed on my iPad so I could continue using it, because nothing else I've tried comes close.

nazgul17• 4 years ago

Check what their source is: surely, they don't compute the forecast themselves.

TimMeade• 4 years ago

The predictions used to be dead on. it was crazy weird how accurate. But shortly after apple purchased they started slipping. Now rarely accurate.

lynndotpy2• 4 years ago

This was my experience as well, but a confounding factor is they bought Dark Sky 2020-March-31, which coincided with a drastic change in how I used them.

Before COVID / Apple's acquisition, I had a 10 minute bike ride from my place of work to where I lived. I could use the hyper-local predictions to stay out of the rain, and it almost never failed me.

Either way, because the install base sensors powered predictions, I suspect the acquisition is what killed its utility. I can't count on the accuracy any more.

outworlder• 4 years ago

For me they were on point, sometimes down to the minute. That is, until Apple bought them.

iamdamian2• 4 years ago

I'm bummed about this. I've used the two side-by-side since I learned about this, and it seems like Dark Sky gives far richer detail.

In fact, sometimes, I've noticed that Dark Sky will accurately predict rain when Apple Weather doesn't. (I haven't ever noticed the reverse.)

nocoiner• 4 years ago

I’ve noticed the same thing as well. I knew this was coming, but was nonetheless a bit gutted when I saw the headline - I just don’t think Weather is a perfect replacement (yet?) for Dark Sky.

ezfe• 4 years ago

Are you on iOS 16? iOS 15 doesn't fully integrate it.

iamdamian2• 4 years ago

I was describing my experience on iOS 15 for the past year or so.

The incorrect results I'm seeing are in-app—what do you mean that it's not fully integrated in iOS 15?

raybb• 4 years ago

What weather app are people using on Android?

I'm currently using Geometric Weather + MyRadar:

https://f-droid.org/packages/wangdaye.com.geometricweather/

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.acmeaom.an...

_emacsomancer_• 4 years ago

- wX (based on NWS data): https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=joshuatee.wx / https://f-droid.org/en/packages/joshuatee.wx/

- weawow: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.weawow / https://weawow.com/

daxfohl• 4 years ago

I also use weawow ... with darksky as the provider. The other providers (at least the free ones) seem far less accurate (for Seattle anyway).

I've started using willyweather for higher-fidelity UV data, and its forecasts (from NOAA) seem reasonable and I like the forecast-vs-actual graph. Though the UI requires some extra clicks to get all the info that weawow manages to get onto a single user-friendly page. (First-world problems....)

JeremyNT2• 4 years ago

wX is truly amazing. I don't understand why it's not more popular. I guess the UX is focused on nerds and power users so it may not get a lot of love from those just looking for a quick forecast at a glance.

ThePowerOfFuet3• 4 years ago

Exodus Privacy gives wX a clean bill of health, but weawow seems to contain a tracker, which is unfortunate given that it will need access to my location to be useful.

CraftThatBlock• 4 years ago

I've been using Today Weather for years and it's been amazing.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=mobi.lockdown....

ollien• 4 years ago

I've been using Overdrop.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=widget.dd.com....

lantry• 4 years ago

Used to use wundergound but it got very slow, now I use Foreca and it's great

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.foreca.and...

haunter• 4 years ago

yr.no

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=no.nrk.yr&hl=e...

shagie• 4 years ago

They've also got a rather nice API - https://api.met.no/weatherapi/documentation // https://api.met.no/weatherapi/locationforecast/2.0/

In particular, I like the detailed info on clouds:

        <time datatype="forecast" from="2022-09-13T00:00:00Z" to="2022-09-13T00:00:00Z">
            <location altitude="986" latitude="45" longitude="90">
                <temperature id="TTT" unit="celsius" value="8.9"></temperature>
                <windDirection id="dd" deg="353.8" name="N"></windDirection>
                <windSpeed id="ff" mps="10.6" beaufort="5" name="Frisk bris"></windSpeed>
                <humidity unit="percent" value="55.5"></humidity>
                <pressure id="pr" unit="hPa" value="1020.1"></pressure>
                <cloudiness id="NN" percent="78.9"></cloudiness>
                <fog id="FOG" percent="0.0"></fog>
                <lowClouds id="LOW" percent="0.0"></lowClouds>
                <mediumClouds id="MEDIUM" percent="46.9"></mediumClouds>
                <highClouds id="HIGH" percent="64.1"></highClouds>
                <dewpointTemperature id="TD" unit="celsius" value="0.5"></dewpointTemperature>
            </location>
        </time>

The difference e between low, medium, and high clouds is useful for deciding "where may there be a good sunset?" Most other services just offer the general "cloudiness".

SOLAR_FIELDS• 4 years ago

I like yr - they have a really great UI. Pretty sweet example of what proper government funded agencies can achieve. The forecast is only OK in areas that aren't Norway, Sweden or Denmark though. It's about on par with what I get from the default iOS app though, so I end up using yr anyway.

fluential• 4 years ago

This one is by far the most accurate!

_carbyau_• 4 years ago

As an Aussie, I use the BoM app. Has everything I need and being government supported is not driven by "for profit" motives.

thejosh• 4 years ago

Yeah the BOM website has also been the same design for so long and is great.

Example forecast: http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/forecasts/perth.shtml Observations: http://www.bom.gov.au/wa/observations/perth.shtml

mcoliver• 4 years ago

Windy.com

seltzered_• 4 years ago

To be honest, I was using bookmarks to the darksky website, that way they were synced between desktop and phone.

mcdonje• 4 years ago

I've been using tomorrow.io. It's pretty good, overall. I think they're launching their own weather satellites.

https://www.tomorrow.io/

https://play.google.com/store/search?q=tomorrow.io

RightPassage• 4 years ago

weawow weather

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.weawow&hl=...

Tempest1981• 4 years ago

Free, and Ad-free. And nice UI.

Donation-ware.

tssva• 4 years ago

I use the premium (not the new Premium+ subscription) version of Accuweather. It has hyper local forecasts which I have found highly accurate in predicting local precipitation.

spiffytech2• 4 years ago

Hello Weather is pleasant to use, and supports several data APIs.

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.helloweath...

hansvm• 4 years ago

I was using Dark Sky till apple killed it. At the transition they had a unit conversion bug, and the team were simultaneously super helpful and fixed it immediately, with a palpable air of sadness that they knew the android efforts were wasted in just a few weeks.

jbaber• 4 years ago

I'm very happy with the unofficial NOAA app by graniteapps: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.nstudio.we...

It gives a graph of the % chance of rain on an hourly basis.

jshprentz• 4 years ago

I have used the WeatherBug app [1] on my most recent three or four Android phones. It provides tabs for the current conditions, hourly and 10-day forecasts, and a radar map.

They also have a website [2] and an IOS app [3]. I haven't used either of these.

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.aws.androi...

[2] https://www.weatherbug.com/

[3] https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weatherbug-weather-forecast/id...

ThePowerOfFuet3• 4 years ago

Exodus Privacy reports 29 (!!!) trackers in WeatherBug. I hope you didn't give it location access, but even if you did you might want to reconsider your choice of weather app.

I literally have never seen a number so high.

ThePowerOfFuet3• 4 years ago

Exodus Privacy gives Geometric Weather a clean bill of health, but MyRadar is not something I would ever touch given that it will need access to my location to be useful.

Markoff• 4 years ago

Weawow for Dark Sky data source, which is most accurate for Prague, Geometric Weather with AccuWeather would be 2nd most accurate for Prague. I fear the time Dark Sky will be shut down and there won't be replacement available (I thought there should be just under different name), if I have to resort to AW or Wunderground. :-(

The app doesn't really matter, what matters are the data sources which are most accurate for your location, Weawow, Today Weather and Weather Mate provide the most sources, so you can compare them over span of few weeks to see which one is the most accurate and has the least amount of false negative/positives based on your preference

Personally I don't really care whether the real temperature in the end is 19, 21 or 23C, it makes small difference, but it's big difference whether app tells me it's gonna rain and then it doesn't rain or vice versa when planning my schedule. Problem with most of the apps/sources I compared is they give too many false positives for rain.

For radar I just use home screen link to local Czech radars (provided either by Meteopress or CHMI), no point to have app for that.

thrdbndndn• 4 years ago

Link should be https://blog.darksky.net/dark-sky-has-a-new-home/

takoid• 4 years ago

My girlfriend uses Apple’s Weather app and I still use Dark Sky. My anecdotal experience is that Dark Sky is significantly more accurate than Apple’s Weather app, especially when it comes to rain. Anyone have any insight into why this is the case, especially considering Apple bought Dark Sky?

neiled2• 4 years ago

iOS only seems to be taking Dark Sky weather as of iOS 16, so guess start comparing them again as it was released today!

savoytruffle• 4 years ago

I wonder if you can source that. I am pretty confident Apple Weather has the same back-end data since iOS 15 a year ago, at the least.

WaitWaitWha2• 4 years ago

I had home automation based on Dark Sky API. Sad to see it go.

(mental note: make sure there are always alternate solutions and manual over-rides for external resources.)

aaomidi• 4 years ago

They will have a REST api again.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/weatherkitrestapi

jamesdf• 4 years ago

The API is replaced by https://developer.apple.com/documentation/weatherkitrestapi which is available as a REST API and can be used on non-Apple platforms.

mach5• 4 years ago

its not free like darksky was for small personal apps

mnutt• 4 years ago

Maybe check out https://pirateweather.net/, I think the author had similar ideas.

dpcx• 4 years ago

Care to share what kind of automation you had?

WaitWaitWha2• 4 years ago

cyclone house prep (sump pump, shutters, top off battery backup, exercise backup generator, generator fuel messaging to top off, notifications, etc.)

delay watering if rain is coming

warn of weather change so do not get caught in open waters

That is all I have now.

atchoo4• 4 years ago

A platform buying up cross-platform apps and making them uni-platform really should be slam dunk anti-trust. It's obviously anti-consumer and concentration of market power.

katbyte• 4 years ago

fwiw it wasn't available in Canada, i'd been waiting years for it, and now via the apple weather app it will be.

Gigachad2• 4 years ago

It's a weather app. There is no monopoly on weather info. The data is pretty much public and anyone could start their own alternative.

wpietri5• 4 years ago

In which case, it sounds like there was no need for Apple to buy this.

lynndotpy2• 4 years ago

I believe the point of Dark Sky was that they used air-pressure sensor data from the phones they were installed on. That was the secret sauce that (used to) power their hyper-local forecasts.

freetime28• 4 years ago

On the other hand, since there are presumably more Apple Weather users than Dark Sky users, by moving the functionality of Dark Sky into the Apple Weather app, more people will benefit from the features than when Dark Sky was independent.

atchoo4• 4 years ago

It was available on IOS. Why would non-users on IOS be an argument for the power of capital to diminish other platforms?

Tao33002• 4 years ago

Right. Just like how we all benefitted when they bought Lala :(

a4isms• 4 years ago

More than a decade ago, I blamed the victims. I still do, in a way. When you build on top of someone else's platform, you are engaged in digital sharecropping. The platform owner acts like they own your customers, and you are tilling the landlord's fields in exchange for 70% of what you can earn selling your app.

You may think the landlord is taking an outrageous cut of "your" sales, but the landlord thinks they own the relationship with their customer, and you only exist to do product/market fit and sizing research for them.

Joel Spolsky put it extremely well way back in the day in his "Strategy Letter V:" All else being equal, demand for a product increases when the prices of its complements decrease... Smart companies try to commoditize their products’ complements.

(Link: https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2002/06/12/strategy-letter-v/ Recent HN discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26657166)

Platforms always want to commoditize the apps that run on top of their platform. If they don't buy you and bundle your product, they'll do everything in their power to drive your revenue down until you are living on ramen noodles.

Anti-trust might help stop them from turning cross-platform apps into uni-platform apps, but the larger problem that remains unsolved is that platforms are powerful and it is in their best interests to drive app revenue down to zero.

scarface746• 4 years ago

Has anyone who is doing arm chair legal analysis on HN actually been following the entire thing where Apple announced support for Android for WeatherKit?

https://www.androidpolice.com/dark-sky-api-android-weatherki...

scarface746• 4 years ago

Apple announced that it would support WeatherKit on Android based on the Dark Ski API.

https://www.androidpolice.com/dark-sky-api-android-weatherki...

Even if it didn’t, it’s not like little old Google doesn’t have the resources to give Android a similar capability.

ghusto• 4 years ago

Reading the Apple apologist replies to this, is a lesson in why arguing with cultists or any other religious types, is pointless.

"It's not true because X!"

"Here is something that is a fact, which we all (including you) agreed is true. It demonstrates why X is false."

"It's not true because X!"

Jesus.

cryptoz3• 4 years ago

Does anyone know if Apple is actively using the barometer data from iPhones to work on improving weather forecast accuracy? Dark Sky claimed they were doing this but offered no information about it, so I am skeptical that they actually did work on this.

AFAIK they were not weather nerds / atmospheric scientists, and did not work with researchers on the use of the data, or do any work on statistical verification to know if their barometer data was helping or not, so I expect that they just collected some data but didn't use it.

But Apple could be in a prime position to use the barometers to make weather forecast accuracy improvements.

Google too, of course, but AFAIK they are not working on this.

bilsbie• 4 years ago

Is anyone applying deep learning to weather forecasting? Seems like there might be a disruption opportunity there.

cryptoz3• 4 years ago

Yes, there have been many ML efforts in weather forecasting, but I'm not sure many/any have been successful. The bar for success is pretty high, because you have to beat raw data collection and real physics equations that model the atmosphere. Generally, the physics and raw data with models are beating the ML. At least, last I checked - some years ago.

D_Joni• 4 years ago

It's funny how this is posted two days after I finished my Weather web app which uses Dark Sky's free API:

https://weather-dj.netlify.app/

Let's hope that in the future Apple continues to deliver the same API structure as Dark Sky did, because it will be a big shame if they did some changes or limitations to it. Although I only use this app mostly for my personal use, the effort that I've put into this would be for nothing's worth.

tjohns• 4 years ago

Apple's replacement for the Dark Sky API is here:

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/weatherkitrestapi

ghiculescu• 4 years ago

Is this free? Seems like big news if yes.

Edit: it’s not. See https://developer.apple.com/weatherkit/get-started/

jacobn• 4 years ago

From the blog post: "The Dark Sky API and website will continue to function until March 31st, 2023."

"Developers, Apple’s new WeatherKit API lets you incorporate Apple Weather forecast data into your app and is available for iOS, iPadOS, macOS, tvOS, and web."

Sorry for your loss :-/

lelandfe• 4 years ago

Sorry to say – the Dark Sky API will shut down end of March next year[0].

Apple recommends switching to WeatherKit's API. It is not free, requiring a paid Developer Program membership, which is $99/year.[1] That includes 500k API calls/mo.

On that linked WeatherKit page, they include a DarkSky migration guide. There are fields that are no longer being offered. (The fact that `temperatureHigh` doesn't have an analog makes me wonder if the table isn't telling the full story)

[0] https://darksky.net/dev

[1] https://developer.apple.com/weatherkit/get-started/

zikduruqe• 4 years ago

I use the Dark Sky API on a weather site that I have been running since 2014. Thinking of switching over to Openweathermap, but would welcome other suggestions if anyone is in the same situation.

https://openweathermap.org/api

ShakataGaNai2• 4 years ago

Apple announced the purchase of DarkSky back in 2020. The API was originally scheduled to be killed off sometime at the end of 2021 but that got extended. You also haven't been able to signup for a Dev account since May of 2020. There has been a lot of news about this which was kinda hard to miss.

And no, Apple is not interested in sharing its API's with anyone.

killerdhmo• 4 years ago

... they announced WeatherKit https://developer.apple.com/weatherkit/

PragmaticPulp• 4 years ago

You also haven't been able to signup for a Dev account since May of 2020.

Dark Sky has been exceedingly clear about this for a very long time.

I don't know how the parent commenter missed it, unless they started the side project several years ago and never went back to check the API docs.

But today's announcement has nothing to do with discontinuing the Dark Sky API. They gave ample warning about that as well as replacement guidelines long ago.

happyopossum2• 4 years ago

And no, Apple is not interested in sharing its API's with anyone.

Funny how people will state ‘facts’ that match their internal perceptions, regardless of what’s been publicly stated over and over again.

Apple has released the WeatherKit API, which is privacy-first, and pretty much provides what Dark Sky did.

spiffytech2• 4 years ago

I like the aesthetics of your app! Nice responsive design, too.

Some suggestions:

- The hourly forecast icons are hard to tell apart. They're small, and blue raindrops blend in with the blue gradient behind the icon.

- The checkmark button on starred locations is hard to understand. It looks like it should confirm something (especially beside the red X), but it I guess maybe it selects the default location? The button could use alt text, too.

- The 7-day forecast feels busy. Maybe de-emphasize the date (lower font weight or smaller size for the calendar day, and maybe a shorter date format)

- The search box would benefit from suggesting places. Less to type (especially on mobile), and weather apps are inconsistent about what location queries they support and suggestions give confidence I'm using a new app correctly.

kingTug• 4 years ago

Slick app, mate.

happyopossum2• 4 years ago

It's funny how this is posted two days after I finished my Weather web app which uses Dark Sky's free API

Err, dark sky announced this well over a year ago, and was acquired 2 years ago - this is not news.

londons_explore2• 4 years ago

DarkSky has a very nice UI... but the actual weather data and predictions seem lackluster at best.

If they were confident in their predictions, they'd compare against competitors - for example, "If you use our 3-hour weather prediction to decide the best time to go for a 20 minute jog each day, you'll stay dry 16% more of the time than using NOAA weather predictions".

gamblor956• 4 years ago

Agreed, maybe it was great in some places but in SoCal it was always wrong.

wombat-man2• 4 years ago

It's usually worked for me but sometimes it's wrong. Is there a better option you know about?? I love the concept of seeing if I have time to walk somewhere before it rains.

londons_explore2• 4 years ago

In the UK, I use netweather which has an atrocious UI, but displays the raw radar data on a 180 meter grid. Using that and a regular untrained eyeball just looking at how the rain is forming seems to make far better predictions.

Whereas darksky seems to use a 1km+ grid and very crude predictions like 'the rain will move in the same direction as the wind'.

bqmjjx0kac• 4 years ago

It's significantly less user-friendly, but there's always https://www.weather.gov/ (if you live in the US).

miketery• 4 years ago

Probably depends on location? Its amazing in NYC.

akeck• 4 years ago

Many thanks to the developers over the years! The app saved us all from getting drenched at a wedding celebration. I'm forever grateful for that.

keepquestioning• 4 years ago

Where does Dark Sky get the raw data from?

rory• 4 years ago

Largely governments: https://darksky.net/attribution

throwawaygog6• 4 years ago

Anyone knows how Dark shy was able to do hyperlocal weather prediction?

fredsmith219• 4 years ago

It has been really inaccurate for me the past 6 months. I’ve gotten wet a couple of times when I trusted it. It was great, but Apple has killed it. R.I.P Dark Sky.

wrycoder2• 4 years ago

I used Dark Sky, but MyRadar is my favorite.

savrajsingh• 4 years ago

While we’re on the topic of weather apps - can someone explain why the radar view is often choppy, with random incomplete tiles, weird zooming, and just generally feels janky? Just opened the weather app (ios) and the radar view seems clunky and incomplete. I know the answer must have to do with weather radar / nexrad data feeds, just wondering why we haven’t figured out how to reasonably smooth it out.

ideamotor• 4 years ago

The UI is amazing but the forecasts they use are the worst.

rwhitman• 4 years ago

The Apple Weather app UI has far less granular detail than Dark Sky iOS app for hourly predictions. I liked the hourly view of temp, humidity, precipitation. We lose that in Apple Weather and its the main thing I check in the app.

But the rain predictions have been wildly inaccurate in Dark Sky lately, including an incident last night where it told me I was in a rain storm when I was not...

bcherry• 4 years ago

the iOS 16 weather app finally has the hourly predictions in it, which is why they are now ready to remove Dark Sky entirely

chris_wot• 4 years ago

All I can say is that at least Macs show the weather in Celcius when you are in the correct region. We have Windows 11 systems here that no matter what we do show the weather is in Fahrenheit on the Windows taskbar, which is utterly useless to us.

mmis10002• 4 years ago

I guess it is region dependent or language dependent or both. My win 11 showed me the temp in Celcius for me though.

silon42• 4 years ago

It needs to be independently settable, or it's useless.

Gelob• 4 years ago

good, im glad iOS users are feeling the pain that android did when apple bought them

beefman2• 4 years ago

Folks here said the new Weather app has the same info. I upgraded to iOS 16 about a year before I normally would just to check this. And nope, it doesn't have the one feature I use Dark Sky for – the one feature no other weather app has: the ability to see what the weather was yesterday.

It's what Dark Sky calls "Time Machine". (Can't believe Apple let them use this name this long, now that I think of it.)

(I supported the original crowdfunding campaign for Dark Sky in 2011.)

adamsiem• 4 years ago

I always use this! Great for assessing business activity and comparing localized weather to activity.

jdminhbg• 4 years ago

Historical data is still available in the WeatherKit API at least: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/72581627/cant-find-weath...

Iomegan2• 4 years ago

At the moment it is not working for more than 7 days in the past.

Iomegan2• 4 years ago

At least it seems to be a known bug: https://developer.apple.com/forums/thread/708727

8ytecoder• 4 years ago

Carrot has it. It’s called Time Machine. I feel like it’s always had it.

savolai• 4 years ago

Wow that’s what I call a fun app.

can16358p2• 4 years ago

Weather app doesn't even show the hour before. I get it, less features = simpler user interface and less code maintenance... but they could at least start at current hour BUT provide ability to scroll back in time for a few days, perhaps showing that data with 0.5 opacity faded to indicate that the data is no longer relevant (past).

Otherwise I LOVE the updated weather app in iOS 16 where you can see many data points in a nice graph for the next week hourly for things like humidity, wind etc.

jxramos2• 4 years ago

I’m not a big fan of this less features ethos. This feature anemic set of software that gets put out more often than not drives me bonkers. It’s as if they don’t want power users.

DavideNL• 4 years ago

Weather app doesn't even show the hour before

...which is a reason for people to buy a 3th party app (with a subscription + apple tax.)

mstade2• 4 years ago

Doesn't the graph show exactly what you're asking for? Anything before the vertical line showing the current time shows the historical data for that day?

simondotau• 4 years ago

I get it, less features = simpler

To be fair, this seemingly obvious feature is absent or buried in many/most weather apps and websites I've used. It's certainly not just an Apple™ simplification.

ramraj07• 4 years ago

What do we expect from stupid Apple. They don’t even store more than the last 100 phone calls. It’s 2020. Their phone is more powerful than supercomputers from the 90s. It can’t store more than 100 phone numbers.

Leftium• 4 years ago

One of the reasons I built https://uw.leftium.com/ was so I could compare the previous two days' weather.

It uses the DarkSky API, but also supports other weather API's: https://github.com/Leftium/ultra-weather#readme

beefman2• 4 years ago

Really great. Thank you! And if you make it into an iOS app, I'll buy it.

vl2• 4 years ago

Wunderground allows you to scroll 24 hours back.

benbristow• 4 years ago

I've noticed the Weather app to be pretty unreliable to be fair.

The amount of times I've looked out the window recently when my phone says it's raining but it's completely dry or vice-versa or it says it's definitely going to rain and it doesn't.

Perhaps no weather app is good enough to deal with Scottish (specifically Glaswegian-ish) weather :)

mstade2• 4 years ago

Same here in Stockholm! WeatherPro seems to hold up pretty well, but the built in weather app is mostly useless. Pretty though!

suction• 4 years ago

Apple Weather's forecast is unusable in the whole of Europe because of the data providers they use. Pretty disappointing to have such a US-centric view on an app that's so integral to a smartphone. They either should work with European data providers or make the app unavailable outside of those markets similar to how they do it with the "news" app.

hellweaver666• 4 years ago

In the Netherlands we have an app called "Buienalarm" which uses radar to show actual rainclouds as they pass overhead and with predictions of direction. It's awesome with dealing with Amsterdam rain! It worked when I was back in the UK too (and I was just able to add Glasgow to it).

71bw• 4 years ago

That was the best single feature in the UWP Weather app on Windows 10 Mobile. It allowed you to see past history data up to 25+ years I believe, hell, they even included a "Past highest/lowest" temperature for every single day so that you could see, that, for example, the lowest temperature on the 8th of August was in 1984.

Also the iOS Weather app uses Weather.com for its data, which is just plain unreliable in Europe.

bpye2• 4 years ago

Environment Canada publish historical weather [0] as do the Met Office [1]. I also recently discovered that the BC government have their own air quality monitoring stations - and that data is also available [2].

[0] https://climate.weather.gc.ca/index_e.html

[1] https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/research/climate/maps-and-data/...

[2] https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/environment/air-land-wate...

Phenomenit• 4 years ago

Is it because they don't want you to know how bad their prediction was?

toteno• 4 years ago

I really like timeanddate [1] website for looking at past weather. For most cities you can check up to 12 years before.

It's also useful if you want to check what's typical weather in some city.

[1] https://www.timeanddate.com/weather/france/paris/historic

eproxus• 4 years ago

What’s new is that you can tap the hourly forecast card, or the Today entry in the 10-day forecast and get a historical graph for the current day at least.

But yeah, not possible to check yesterday’s weather.

Terretta2• 4 years ago

one feature no other weather app has

WeatherNerd: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/weather-nerd/id958363882

Has a calendar icon, tap it to see any actual day historically or, if more tham 2 weeks ahead, based on almanac type prediction. Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now.

I’m a weather geek with ~4 folder panes of 9 apps each, and WeatherNerd is in the “must have” front pane.

Dark Sky used to be my #1, but was superseded by Carrot (which has a Dark Sky feed) for everyday use and Windy.app at storm-prone water front with microclimates and wind/wave/tide patterns, thanks to meteogram-style overlay of competing weather models for precipitation and wind.

Windy.app: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/windy-app-wind-weather/id99707...

iOS 16 Weather is remarkable though. It’s now easily third on my list, and would likely be first for most people especially since no subscription fee. For instance, try to use apps to look at UV graph for next Saturday — few can. The live background is fun, and the iPad layout is as much detail instrumentation as most people can handle.

But in my book, DarkSky started it all — the race for precise accurate practical usable micro cell weather, and happy for them they are now getting into so many more hands through the new iOS 16 app.

But Carrot is the spiritual successor.

Carrot: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/carrot-weather-alerts-radar/id...

It has TimeTravel too. And because Carrot has a fully editable UI builder, it transmogrifies into whatever weather app you like best.

mgr86• 4 years ago

Used to be best out there for considering travel three months from now. --

While not directly comparable I love weatherspark for planning travel [0]. I first used it to help plan honeymoon travel.

[0] https://weatherspark.com/

efficax• 4 years ago

it looks like weathernerd uses the darksky api, so it will have to find a new source for weather data or it’s also gone soon.

alanbernstein• 4 years ago

Got any Android recommendations? I've been using meteogram because I can configure it to be pretty close to what I want.

My ideal weather app would be able to tell me the chance of rain on a specific route at a specific time. Now that I'm no longer bike commuting, that's not so important. I still like to know chance of rain, per hour, for my location.

curveball3301• 4 years ago

Well, that sucks.

ur-whale• 4 years ago

Long gone are the days where you purchased an application and it was yours.

Software is eating the world indeed.

There's however the tiny, pesky detail that it's getting increasingly harder to own things.

I'm waiting for the day your Tesla car will gently inform you that it's been decommissioned, or that Tesla has unilaterally decided that you weren't - for some reason - a worthy driver, and will refuse to turn on.

Interesting times ahead.

izerik• 4 years ago

I am using rainviewer[1] that also uses radar to give precipitation forecast.

[1] https://www.rainviewer.com

anshumankmr• 4 years ago

Can someone explain what was great about dark sky? All I really know about it that it was an weather app acquired by Apple from some other discussions about it. It seemingly had a "Time Machine" feature to see the past weather but is that really a game changing feature? Was the UI good ?

wyre2• 4 years ago

Hyperlocalized weather forcasting down to the street address, wealth of information laid out in an accessible way with a clean UI.

I live in the PNW and love that I can see the hourly forecasted rainfall for the day.

zargon• 4 years ago

I really don't care about the UI, just the data. And Dark Sky data was superior to anything else I've seen.

teekert• 4 years ago

Just a question: Is dimming the launch screen on dark mode gone now? I can't find it and my new launch screens look like fisherprice toys with black holes (the widgets)... Where is my nicely dimmed Marshian surface stock photo that allows focus on the app/widgets without blinding me?

I like the new lockscreens, especially the one where you see the earth and where there is still sun and where it is night, beautiful! Unfortunately the Sleep focus I use for it completely blurs it away... No setting to change this... It feels like it's not really finished.

zenexer• 4 years ago

I’ve been on the iOS 16 beta for a while now. The Weather app is still hot garbage compared to Dark Sky:

1. It’s never up to date, and there’s no way to tell when it last updated. This has always been an issue, and it’s still not fixed in iOS 16. As I write this, Dark Sky says it’s 70°F outside, while Weather says it’s 68°F. Dark Sky is closer: it’s 71°F. There’s no way to get the Weather app to refresh. The temperature predictions in Weather are out-of-date. In a few minutes, it might randomly update.

2. There’s no way to see the precipitation probability in the Weather app, despite that being a very basic feature. Apple brands themselves as an outdoorsy lifestyle company. As someone who actually spends a lot of time outside, I consider this an essential feature.

3. Custom alerts are gone. Really, most alerts are gone. “Next-Hour Precipitation” alerts exist as an option but don’t work. Dark Sky’s precipitation alerts are almost always correct, but I rarely get alerts from Weather, and when I do they’re unhelpful.

4. Historical weather is missing from Weather.

I’ll be going back to using the NWS website once Dark Sky is gone. At least it’s better than the Weather app.

I don’t understand how a company that brands themselves as an essential component of an outdoors lifestyle could ax a feature like Dark Sky’s precipitation notifications and replace them with “next hour” notifications. That might make sense if you’re just using the app to decide whether it’s a suitable time for a jog, but that’s about it. If you’re going to be outside regardless of the weather, and you want to know whether to cover your backpack or temporarily take shelter, sorry, you’re out of luck.

I’m curious whether they made similar mistakes with the new Apple Watch Ultra. Once the cool factor wears off, is it actually going to be as versatile as Apple claims? Is it really for use outdoors, or is it just for showing off at parties? Anyone who’s tried to use an Apple Watch in the rain or water on a regular basis has probably experienced usability issues at one point or another; for example, if you’re swimming, Apple Watch might repeatedly prompt you to select your type of exercise, despite the fact that you’ve already enabled water mode and can’t interact with the screen. Rain can land you in a similar situation.

Edit: Reworded some excessively snarky comments.

pbronez• 4 years ago

There’s no way to see the precipitation probability in the Weather app,

This is the #1 thing I use Dark Sky for. I powered up the Weather App to look for this feature, and yeah... not there. Boo.

reportgunner• 4 years ago

I use Klara on android, seems much better than Dark Sky from what I see in the screenshots.

xg15• 4 years ago

I can understand their rationale - who wouldn't want to be bought up by Apple, and the system app integration was likely Apple's decision - but the press release's attempt at rationalizing still makes for some hilarious corpospeak:

Our goal has always been to provide the world with the best weather information possible, to help as many people as we can stay dry and safe, and to do so in a way that respects your privacy.

There is no better place to accomplish these goals than at Apple. We’re thrilled to have the opportunity to reach far more people, with far more impact, than we ever could alone.

...

Service to existing users and subscribers of the Android app will now continue until August 1, 2020, at which point the app will be shut down. Subscribers who are active at that time will receive a full refund. Weather forecasts, maps, and embeds available on the Dark Sky website will also shut down on August 1, 2020.

Even if you follow their reasoning here, apparently blessing new iOS users with their technology who have never asked for it (by integrating it into the system app) is more important than keeping the tech available for old Android users who did ask for it.

mwexler2• 4 years ago

I love DarkSky. It's the first app I paid for. I'm going to miss it, it's API, and it's approach to making weather data quick and easy to comprehend. It's how I felt the first time I used Hipmunk and it's gantt chart approach to finding a plane when sorted by "agony". Sometimes, the right UX on the same basic data can make all the difference.

iudqnolq• 4 years ago

My $500 backpacking satellite communicator, manufactured by a 17B company, uses the Dark Sky api to get weather forecasts. They've got a hilarious FAQ saying basically "Apple won't talk to us either, but we hope they don't shut it down soon".

Sadly exactly what I've come to expect from any software written by Garmin. It's all incredibly half-assed compared to their hardware and actual satellite/gps algorithms.

thirdsun3• 4 years ago

They can use Apple's WeatherKit REST API which is the replacement for the Dark Sky API.

Garmin really doesn't seem to understand that in this day and age they are supposed to be a software company as much as they are a hardware company.

tomaskafka4• 4 years ago

They don't. I developed and now maintain a weather app for Garmins, and the state of firmware is really bizzare. You can see individual device team merge patches from some kind of core, and then eventually releasing them - so the new bug appears in a simulator, then slowly makes its way to various devices during the next 1-4 months, and then, if you complain loud enough, the same process happens again with a fix.

Dark Sky iOS app will no longer work from Dec 31

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