LG 28-inch 16:18 DualUp Monitor

https://www.lg.com/us/monitors/lg-28mq780-b

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xdfgh1112• 4 years ago

How does this compare to two regular monitors stacked on a monitor stand?

dixie_land• 4 years ago

no bezel comes to mind. also easier to mount than try to align two perfectly

Gualdrapo• 4 years ago

Only one image (unless you use the split feature) with no gaps in between, and only power input.

alanbernstein• 4 years ago

Also easier to reposition as a single unit.

mbreese• 4 years ago

This is basically two 1440p panels attached together... so not too different if you have really thin bezels.

But what I'm curious about is if this acts as one monitor or two? None of the images show windows that overlap the middle of the screen. So is it one or two "virtual" screens?

If it is one virtual screen, I might think of it as more useful to me in the 18:16 orientation.

parineum• 4 years ago

If it's not actually two monitors, power toys' fancyzones[1] can duplicate that behavior in Windows.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/fancyzone...

cehrlich• 4 years ago

You can run it as two 16:9 monitors or one 16:18 monitor

da768• 4 years ago

The slideshow just below shows it used as a single monitor.

tpmx• 4 years ago

There is zero bezel since it's one panel.

https://www.lg.com/us/images/features/mnt-dualup-ergo-28mq78...

maximus-decimus3• 4 years ago

More flexibility when splitting stuff? With 2 screens, I often found I wanted a main thing in the middle and a small window on each side, but that's really ackward if you have a bezzle. Then again, that makes more sense for an ultra-wide than an ultra-high monitor in my opinion.

zamadatix3• 4 years ago

From someone that does a 3x2 setup I'll add one downside: on my split setup I run the bottom row 90 degrees from the desk while the upper ones are angled down and slightly so that both are viewed straight on when glanced at. Not having a physical split like this makes it so the top and bottom will always seem angled.

I suppose if it were curved it'd solve that problem but then it would come with assumptions about how far away you sit and create new problems like glare streaks.

sneak• 4 years ago

Has anyone tried one of these? I'm intrigued. How well does it work?

peterangular3• 4 years ago

Not the LG but I've ran a 1:1 EIZO for years which is very close... Just gonna talk on how I've grown to love the 1:1 aspect ratio.

1:1... it's not for everyone, but it is for me for the following purposes:

* Best LOC on-screen possible - balanced horizontal/vertical space in my IDE means I can fit WAY more readable code on screen vs. my horizontal monitors

* Vertical aspect ratio media - editing a vertical photo is outstanding (color profiles on this monitor are meh but not a huge deal for me)

* 4-corner tiling - I find I only tile to the left/right or top/bottom on normal horizontal/vertical monitors... on this one I can fit 4x windows in reasonable aspect ratios in the corners

* Full-height web browsing/document reading - not exclusive to 1:1; viewing a whole "page" of data is much more natural vs horizontal aspect ratios

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Downsides:

* Gaming - Some games can be configured to work with it. Outside of Factorio I really don't use it _at all_ for gaming. I have 2x 16:9 1440p's on each side that I typically game on.

* Price/obscurity - This EIZO was way too expensive... the LG is way better but I'm afraid in 1-2 years you won't be able to find them at a reasonable price.

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TLDR: I'm legit considering picking one of these LG's up for when my EIZO dies - I am so happy there's another option.

sicher5• 4 years ago

I used to run a 16:9 vertically for writing so I got one of these and love it.

The only issue is that I needed to install BetterDisplay (former BetterDummy) to get retina scaling from my macbook pro M1 . Dunno why macOS doesn't support it natively since it has the same PPI as a 32" 4k screen.

dormando• 4 years ago

I just got one a few weeks back but haven't gotten to spend a ton of time with it yet. It's taking some adjustment but I'm liking it so far.

- had 1440p + 1080p monitors on stands side by side before. Now just this one on an arm (which is excellent), that I can adjust to keep my position from being static.

- not having to hold my neck angled while reading my side monitor is helpful.

- realistically there are a few "modes" of working on here. While coding it's pulled a bit closer, while in CAD or similar creative I might push it back a bit and get more of the monitor in view.

- I recline slightly so the monitor is tilted a bit which gives me a solid view of the bottom 60-70% of the monitor. The top is a bit out of range at close distance.

- For coding so far I have the middle-ish of the monitor as a 1440p code-only view. Below that are a few windows for manpages/reference/interactive debugging/repl/etc. On the top end which is normally slightly out of view I have compilation and long running test output which I glance at by moving my eyes.

I like not having to page between desktops while coding when possible. The bottom view is also large enough to hold a browser window or simulator window. Need to also try pushing it back a bit with slightly larger text and see if that's any better.

I don't intend to game on it, maybe windowed mode in the middle or something.

edit: well, also it has this mode where you can split it into two 1440p monitors on different inputs (which you can hook up to the same computer), so depending on the game I might do that as well.

locofocos4• 4 years ago

I have a similar experience with coding! I bought this monitor precisely for that. It's nice to keep some bottom IDE panel open (test results, find results, git log, etc) while keeping the rest of my editor at a normal vertical height.

Similarly, I can keep a browser open at a normal (or even extended!) height, plus keep the developer console open at the bottom. It's made web development more pleasant, just the feeling of not being so cramped vertically.

seanp2k2• 4 years ago

Wake me up when they make one with the resolution of 2x 4K 16:10 screens. 8K 55” TVs are hard to beat as monitors too.

Kudos2• 4 years ago

I tried a 49" 4k, and it gave me neck pains unless I only used the middle half of it.

JackGreyhat2• 4 years ago

I've been wanting to buy a 49inch curved to avoid neck pain...do you recommend against it? I wanted to buy this one: https://www.samsung.com/ca/monitors/gaming/odyssey-neo-g9-g9...

jsjohnst3• 4 years ago

Having had dual 5Ks for the past five years, I probably wouldn’t be excited even with it being 2x 4K. The bezels aren’t big enough to warrant the drop in resolution for something like this to me.

zamadatix3• 4 years ago

Having tried both setups I found 8k 55" to be problematic. At 200% scaling it's like 4 4k 27.5" displays which are already a bit under scales individually (160 dpi equivalent being displayed as normal) but much worse because you need to fit 4 within your vision on a flat plane. At 250% things are better but now you're effectively just got an extremely large 5k display with all of the troubles/inneficiencies of fractional scaling.

I found stacking 27"-32" sized displays in a 3x1 or 3x2 to be much more effective. This allows you to adjust the angles horizontally and vertically to where you sit so it's less of a flat plane and allows you to pick 1440p or 2160p panels for each (depending on size you went with and money you want to spend) giving you the option to build to the size and resolution you want instead of the size and resolution you can fit using a single tv. For less than $2k you can get 6x 1440p@165hz displays and 3 dual height monitor stands so it also gives more bang for the buck. Well getting the same peak HDR brightness might cost you more, especially if you want that on all displays.

Not to mention 8k TVs try to do everything I their power to make the experience of just turning on and displaying the content directly and correctly impossible to do fully.

akersten2• 4 years ago

They're still doing the thing where if you want to wall mount it, you've got to punch a hole in your drywall for the cables to have enough room to exit straight out the back of the monitor. Or hope that some cheap 90-degree noname adapter supports the latest version of DisplayPort that you want. I stopped buying this brand of monitor because of this frustration.

aeyes• 4 years ago

Is there no cable with a 90 degree plug on the market?

akersten2• 4 years ago

Maybe, but there's a tall raised bezel around the port area so even those cables might not work if the port is close enough to the edge of the port cutout, since it'll intersect the chassis plastic. The lower DP port on this monitor looks way too close to the bezel for a 90 degree cable for example. I guess it's not hitting the wall anymore, but I still can't use it. All in all it's a baffling design decision and I wish they would just put the ports downward firing at the bottom of the monitor with straight clearance like everyone else. You could even still stack them vertically with no gap this way because the actual screen support curves away from where the ports would exit.

philliphaydon• 4 years ago

https://www.av-connection.com/?PGr=13515

Like this?

daemoens• 4 years ago

Cheaper versions on amazon and you can get em quicker

HDMI: https://www.amazon.com/VCE-Supported-Degree-Female-Adapter/d...

DisplayPort: https://www.amazon.com/Displayport-Converter-BolAAzuL-Connec...

CoastalCoder2• 4 years ago

Do you mean wall-mount I'm general, or do you mean wall-mounting with no gap between the chassis and the wall?

Because if you allow a gap, there are plenty of VESA-compatible mounting kits that solve the problem.

tokamak-teapot• 4 years ago

Or fix a piece of board to the wall and fix the monitor to that.

dhosek• 4 years ago

Meh. I never want more vertical space on my monitor. It would be really a hard aun with MacOS too unless it’s meant to be two virtual monitors, in which case, it still doesn’t impress me.

ip262• 4 years ago

More horizontal space feels natural, but tends to be an ergonomic problem. I could see vertical working better for the spine & shoulders, as long as it isn’t unnaturally narrow.

jeffbee3• 4 years ago

Pretty sure that's backwards. Ergonomically you want the entire display to be at and below eye level. The neck rotates easily on the horizontal and really sucks at flexing in the vertical.

hintymad• 4 years ago

Only vertical split? Can it be horizontally split?

politelemon• 4 years ago

If you mean in terms of resolution, that would be a super ultra wide, like the Samsung neo g9.

okasaki• 4 years ago

I find aspect ratio is more important on smaller screens such as on laptops. Once you get to 28" and up, 16:9 is fine, since you can easily tile two windows side by side.

collegeburner• 4 years ago

i noticed they didn't abbreviate "nano IPS" all the way lmao

user_78323• 4 years ago

On a similar note, does anyone know of a squarish monitor that doesn't cost an arm and a leg, and preferably has a good color gamut coverage?

There was an 1920*1920 monitor (https://www.inputmag.com/reviews/square-monitor-eizo-flexsca...) but that's over 1k USD :(

There are other nice displays like Huawei's Mateview at 3000*2000 but nothing costs less than ~550-600$/€. It's a bit of a pity because you can get a decent 1080p or even 1440p monitor for much less.

Fyi I had written a comment some time back on how to make your own monitor, using Panelook but that also isn't very cheap (edit here - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30422163)

akdor1154• 4 years ago

Last time i looked you can still pick up the odd 4:3 1280*1024 dell ips on ebay, i have one as a secondary and it works quite well.

tjoff• 4 years ago

That is 5:4. The 4:3 1600x1200 IPS one are quite decent but they are getting bulky by todays standards. Also require a lot more power and they are starting to die. (I think last model is from 2005).

So I'd be prepared to do some repairs / get spares if you can+want.

user_78323• 4 years ago

I do actually have a Dell 4:3 monitor with me but unfortunately the resolution as well as the physical dimensions are nothing to write home about. I can make do with "smaller" (<~24") monitors fine as long as the resolution is good enough, but as you mentioned most old monitors aren't even 1080p. (Additionally with my shortsightedness I can/end up pixel-peep on 400ppi+ displays)

I guess a decent solution in my case would be to actually get a proper job (I'm still studying) and save up for a decent display, until which I'll just do some window shopping heh ;)

anotherhue• 4 years ago

There are some NECs that go better, 1600x1200

https://th.nec.com/en_TH/product/display/multisync/lcd2090ux...

Manufactured as late as 2010, especially the MedView series.

projektfu2• 4 years ago

Actually 5:4, I loved that format and wish it came in 2000x1600 or so.

spicybright• 4 years ago

I've been using one for daily for 5 years now. $5 at a thrift store!

zh3• 4 years ago

Dell 2007's (1600x1200) are in high demand. Only a few weeks back I set a watch on an ebay site selling over 100 of them, I see there's only 2 left new.

LorenPechtel• 4 years ago

The 1280x1024's are good for older eyes--that's the size with the biggest pixels. Windows does a pretty good job of scaling fonts but icons don't scale so well. I have a 27" 2560x1440 that's absolutely wonderful for stuff that actually scales well, but I don't do much else with it because of the tiny icons.

peterangular3• 4 years ago

I run the EIZO you linked and love it... since I'm such a fan of this monitor I've always kept an eye out for anything more affordable.

Unfortunately, this LG is the first and only thing that I've seen that comes close with a <$1k price tag... I'm considering picking this up to have as a backup when my EIZO finally dies.

My specs are 1:1 or as-close as I can get.

rsync2• 4 years ago

I also have this Eizo 1:1 (1920x1920) monitor and I use it in quadrants for status/monitoring.

I wouldn't want it on my actual workstation ...

pedrocr• 4 years ago

If what you value is vertical space/resolution why not run a 4K monitor vertically? You can either use the full resolution or crop at whatever vertical space you prefer.

dotancohen2• 4 years ago

This is terrific advice. I run one monitor in the standard horizontal configuration and one horizontal. Everybody who sees it falls in love. I can get 100 lines of code on the monitor and rarely does a line wrap. PDFs and other documents look terrific.

mixmastamyk• 4 years ago

I do but 9:16 is too tall and skinny, would like it a bit more square.

Bud• 4 years ago

It's a little bit better but it's still a crap aspect ratio, and turning it vertical doesn't fix all of the problem. Now it's too tall and not wide enough.

saaaaaam4• 4 years ago

The Huawei Mateview is exceptional. I was bothered by the price but eventually got one on sale. It’s so good I’m buying another at full price. (Unless it comes on sale again!)

CBarkleyU• 4 years ago

It does look really nice, but unfortunately it's 60hz

nextos4• 4 years ago

Can you comment a bit more on it? I heard some criticism about bleeding.

It's reasonably easy to buy it in EU, and price is not too far from usual suspects like Dell UltraSharp or cheap Eizo/Nec models.

coryrc• 4 years ago

Find an old Trinitron :)

adamredwoods• 4 years ago

I had a flat 17" Trinitron. So heavy! I still brought it to LAN parties.

pbreit• 4 years ago

I much prefer 2560 x 1440 to the standard issue 1080p and there are lots of inexpensive options.

clvx• 4 years ago

Make it vertically curve and I’m absolutely in.

lvass7• 4 years ago

Bad idea, curved monitors are VA while this really needs IPS' viewing angle.

4ad4• 4 years ago

Not just that, but curved monitors are useless for any design work, like CAD, or even good old graphical design, and I suspect this monitor will be popular with those people.

jeffbee3• 4 years ago

If this almost-square aspect would drive you crazy, Eizo has been selling actually-square displays for ages. There's some kind of U.S. government contract for air traffic controllers that keeps the square panel industry alive. I think their "wide all around" marketing is clever.

https://www.eizo.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/

ramesh31• 4 years ago

I don't much care for the aspect ratio. But I have been dying for a decent sized 1080p USB-C monitor like this that has no power brick. Is there anything similar?

anhncommenter25• 4 years ago

I went on this quest recently. I wanted a small display to tuck _under_ my main widescreen monitor, so that I could have chat apps & video streaming in my periphery.

The category I ended up targeting is portable monitors aimed at the business laptop market. These are slim, have a kickstand for support, and can receive data & power over a single usb-c. Not sure about product marketing restrictions on HN so I won't say the brand. But it's a 14" portable monitor from a long-running business laptop brand.

If you want this for a non-laptop scenario, my advice would be to pay very close attention to the types & versions of connectors on the devices you're trying to connect. My gaming desktop didn't have the exact right usb-c port. That sent me into the world of 'weird' cables and lots of debugging to finally get it set up the way I want.

jonah2• 4 years ago

You can absolutely mention brands and even link to product pages.

If you're going to use an affiliate link, it is common courtesy to disclose that.

I'm interested in having a USB-C powered screen as a second monitor for my MacBook Pro, but would want it to more closely match the same resolution. 1080 just won't cut it.

wongarsu• 4 years ago

I find panning my eyes left and right to other monitors more natural than up and down, and I think most ergonomics experts would agree. As such a 32:9 widescreen seems preferable to a 16:8. But if you are pressed for space, either because of small desks or because of everything else going on on your desk (people who work not only in the virtual world) this seems like a great compromise.

jcims2• 4 years ago

Are there any window managers that let you set some kind of 'snap zones' so that you can easily tile screens without fiddling? That's my main issue with large screens vs a plurality of smaller ones.

bechap• 4 years ago

If you use a Mac, I’ve really enjoyed using Divvy. You can define snap zones with keyboard shortcuts. It’s $20, but that’s worth it for me considering how much I use it.

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/divvy-window-manager/id4138575...

pph• 4 years ago

You're looking for a "tiling window manager".

Another tip: In my setup I created dummy screens to fake multiple monitors in RDP.

tuvan• 4 years ago

Microsoft PowerToys is pretty great for windows

erikerikson• 4 years ago

For Mac: RectangleApp

https://rectangleapp.com/

robterrell• 4 years ago

I use Moom at home but can't at work, so I just started using https://rectangleapp.com instead.

curiousgal• 4 years ago

If you have a Dell monitor you can use Dell Display Manager.

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-us/000060112/what-is-d...

emarsh• 4 years ago

On a Mac, I use Magnet, which lets you snap windows all over the place, even on multiple monitors.

dotancohen2• 4 years ago

I do this with KDE.

ComputerGuru3• 4 years ago

Honestly the latest Windows 10 isn’t bad in this regard and Windows 11 has improved on that without making it a chore (although the other regressions in 11 make it a strong Do Not Recommend for now). The PowerToys expansion for this feature is worth trying (it’s by Microsoft and it’s free).

jcims2• 4 years ago

holy moly everybody thanks for all of the great suggestions!!! i should have asked this a long time ago lol

throwawaymaths2• 4 years ago

I'm double-extending vscode: top monitor gets the code, bottom laptop screen gets the terminal (vscode click-to-goto file/line in stdout/stderr output is just too powerful)

dominotw4• 4 years ago

why can't those be put in different spaces and just switch between spaces using keyboard. Whats the advantage of putting terminal in another monitor.

This has puzzled me for a long time as to why ppl use multiple monitors at all. Is the idea that your peripheral vision is monitoring terminal window ?

spiffytech3• 4 years ago

I've always stacked my monitors because I recline while I work, so the up/down eye motion feels natural for me. By contrast, I turn my head to see side-by-side monitors, which doesn't feel as nice to do all day.

redcalx2• 4 years ago

I recline while I work

Can you elaborate on this? Sounds like it might be a way to limit back strain? Do you have a desk at all?

ziml77• 4 years ago

I got a 21:9 display for my main monitor which forced me to turn a 16:9 monitor sideways so it would fit on my desk. It's very much just meant for stuff on the side because it is not comfortable to be looking up and down like that. The best arrangement seems to be to have stuff that I'm not focusing too hard on in the top half (a YouTube video or Discord when I'm just glancing at it) and to have in the bottom half stuff that I'm more actively focusing on (general browsing or Discord when I'm doing a lot of chatting)

Aaargh20318• 4 years ago

I'm also using a 21:9 and a 16:9 sideways. I mainly use the portrait monitor for API docs and the iOS simulator. The tall format is perfect for viewing documentation, especially browsing through long lists of classes or methods.

tom_3• 4 years ago

I've always been the opposite - not a big fan of having to turn my head much when I'm working.

At home I've got 2 x 27" 9:16 monitors, one in front and one to my right (total display width ~68 cm), then my little laptop on the left (~30 cm wide) - and that's about far left or right as I can be bothered to look.

At work I've got 1 x 27" 9:16 monitor in front, and 1 x 27" 16:9 monitor on my left. The left hand side of the desktop feels very, very far away!

nopcode2• 4 years ago

why dont you turn the left monitor vertically?

isametry2• 4 years ago

Also don't forget that our eyes are… you know… next to each other. Rather than stacked vertically. The aspect ratio for the average binocular human is almost 2:1 (vertical FOV is around 100°, while horizontal is up to 190°).

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_eye#Field_of_view

mdp20217• 4 years ago

Yes, but for visually analytical practice - what I do in front of a monitor - I find a more squarish than stripey proportion much better.

I am not enjoying a panorama.

amelius• 4 years ago

Is that 190° the range for both eyes simultaneously?

vl• 4 years ago

Clearly this monitor only make sense if you get two of them and run them side by side... Imagine the glorious luxury of such setup...

I used to run two 30"s vertically, but after upgrading to high-res 32" didn't get back to such setup (would be too narrow and too tall). Two of these 27"s can be great for side-by-side again.

beebeepka2• 4 years ago

It's incredible seeing 60 hz junk being promoted on a tech site in 2022

jsjohnst3• 4 years ago

Incredibly low resolution for the size monitor too. Is the form factor the novelty worthy of sharing?

beebeepka2• 4 years ago

I think someone is just doing PR, hence the dowvotes

iLoveOncall5• 4 years ago

Since when is 1440p low resolution? A 4K IPS panel is by no means the standard, even in 2022.

sicher5• 4 years ago

I just bought one of these (and love it! I write a lot) It has the same PPI as the 32" 4k Dell I run at work.

lvass7• 4 years ago

This shares an unfortunately common flaw with most monitors in the market, at 137.6 PPI, it'll likely require fractional scaling.

kposehn8• 4 years ago

Exactly. That’s the reason I don’t recommend it and am returning mine.

4ad4• 4 years ago

Excellent form factor with an unusable ppi. I lost all my faith in non-Apple companies being able to produce usable displays. I hate macOS, but I have no choice. The only alternative is Linux+UP3218K, but it requires Nvidia graphics (no-go on Linux, for me), and the build quality is spotty and poor...

At least now we have a Linux laptop with a usable display though, the soon to be released ThinkPad T14s Gen 3 will have the option of a 16:10, 2880x1800, 242ppi display, usable in Linux with 2x scaling.

Of course that laptop has other problems, but at least we have the first alternative to a MacBook in over a decade for people who care about Linux and displays.

lvass7• 4 years ago

Linux+UP3218K, but it requires Nvidia graphics

Care to explain? I found some articles from 2017 claiming AMD cards can display 8k60fps.

4ad4• 4 years ago

It didn't work a couple of years ago, at least in Linux, with the open source driver. I don't know what the situation is nowadays.

js23• 4 years ago

I've been using a 32" 16:9 4K monitor (BenQ BL3201PH) for years. The biggest improvement I've made recently was putting it on a proper monitor arm. OMG, what a sea change being able to raise, lower, bring forward, push back the monitor throughout the day.

I have a fixed standing desk with a tall bar-stool type chair I use for resting at times. I'm 50, but even with glasses I use just for editing (they are optimized for bringing into focus things at arms distance) I have the monitor relatively close to use it at the resolution and font-sizes I like. This means if I'm working on editing something toward the bottom or top of the monitor I'll often have to adjust its height so that I'm not tilting my head too far down or up. The monitor arm just makes that so easy.

After a couple tries, I found a knock-off of the Fully Jarvis arm that works well, the WALI GSM001XL:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07NLMLLT6/

Anyway, this LG is neat, but my 32" is already at the height limit I'd want for a monitor. I feel like this LG dual setup I'd need to have too far way to see the full view comfortably, which would mean running everything at larger font sizes, so I'm not sure it makes sense.

nickjj• 4 years ago

Do you run your 32" 4k monitor at 100% native scaling? If so how far away do you keep the monitor from your eyes?

frob• 4 years ago

I do. I keep it about 2.5 feet away.

js23• 4 years ago

I don't run it 100%. I run it at 3360 x 1890, once click down in the Mac display preference pane from native. It's apparently 114%/122ppi according to [1] (not my monitor, but it's an equivalent size/resolution).

The front of the monitor is 24" from my nose.

1. https://www.eizoglobal.com/support/compatibility/dpi_scaling...

jefflombardjr• 4 years ago

How does this compare to rotating a regular monitor 90 degrees?

mmis1000• 4 years ago

It's exact 2 16:9

lvass7• 4 years ago

https://www.displaywars.com/24-inch-d%7B1080x1920%7D-vs-28-i...

zamadatix3• 4 years ago

You also get a normal subpixel arrangement.

bhauer• 4 years ago

This monitor would be perfect as left and right side displays. It needs a matching center display that is twice the width and the same height, yielding a three-monitor configuration with a nice large central display.

titzer• 4 years ago

Indeed, I think 3 monitors might be my next gamble. I switched from dual 27" (one always portrait and the other sometimes portrait, sometimes landscape), to a 42.5 (!) 4k monitor, and then downgraded to 32". The 42" monitor was a little ridiculous, like I literally started clustering my windows in the middle and ignoring the edges. 32 is better. The only direction I can imagine going would be to add 24" flanking portrait monitors to my 32.

lvass7• 4 years ago

display that is twice the width and the same height

42.7" 16:9, very close to the common 42".

chrisseaton2• 4 years ago

Wow these are the worst possible product photos - does it have a bezel in the middle or not?

iLoveOncall5• 4 years ago

I think it's pretty evident from this photo that it does not: https://www.lg.com/us/images/features/mnt-dualup-ergo-28mq78...

It should also be obvious given that it is not 2 monitors but a single 16:18 monitor...

chrisseaton2• 4 years ago

Every other example use they've picked seems designed to make it look like it has a bezel with no content crossing the middle of the screen - this single counter-example is buried.

mattkrause• 4 years ago

The "ergo stand" photo actually had me fooled for a while--the "ghosts" just show you different ways the one giant monitor could be positioned.

A 2x(16:9) configuration where the monitors could be brought really close together would be neat though...

locofocos4• 4 years ago

I have one- I can confirm, no bezel. It's just a single contiguous panel as far as I can tell. I does have software support for feeding 2 inputs into the top/bottom, but by default it just hooked up as a single monitor. Looks great!

NelsonMinar• 4 years ago

Even that image is a little confusing; the strong red/blue line in the middle made me wonder if there was a seam between two panels. The red sugar packet on the left is the only thing that unambiguously indicates it's a single continuous panel.

maximus-decimus3• 4 years ago

It makes me laugh how this is literally the opposite of my 5120x1440 neo g9.

Larger avoid having to stretch your neck as much, but I have to admit this 16:18 would save a lot of desk space.

JackGreyhat2• 4 years ago

Do you like your monitor? I've been wanting to buy it, but I've been reading mixed things about text clarity or sharpness. What's your experience?

bmcahren• 4 years ago

60hz no thanks

iLoveOncall5• 4 years ago

This is surprisingly reasonably priced.

moneywoes• 4 years ago

How different is this from flipping a 16:9 display

meatmanek2• 4 years ago

It's equivalent to putting two 16:9 displays on top of each other, but in the same device.

dragonwriter2• 4 years ago

How different is this from flipping a 16:9 display

It's 16:18, nearly square. Flipping a 16:9 is 9:16, tall and skinny. Not very similar at all.

pcurve3• 4 years ago

It's definitely smaller than I was expecting. 18.2" x 19"

My 27" display is almost 25" wide.

humanistbot• 4 years ago

Pythagoras's revenge....

meatmanek2• 4 years ago

Maybe I'm bad at reading, but it would be nice if the page explained "this is the equivalent of two 20-inch 16:9 monitors stacked" instead of having to bust out the Pythagorean theorem.

tom_3• 4 years ago

The specs panel has Dimension without Stand (W x H x D): 481.5 x 549.5 x 44.9 mm

lvass7• 4 years ago

It's approximately two 21.345-inches stacked, not 20.

kllrnohj• 4 years ago

http://displaywars.com/27,6-inch-d%7B16x18%7D-vs-27-inch-16x...

I love that site for comparing displays across aspect ratios.

mdp20217• 4 years ago

According to what you are writing, it is much bigger than your display:

if your display had a 27'' diagonal, and was 25'' wide, it would be 10'' tall. (Which makes little sense: it would be a 5:2 proportion.) So it would have an area of 250 sqi.

Versus the ~350 sqi of the LG. (It is quite a jump: the rounded √2 jump, 5:7, Ax proportion, "do it twice to double".)

The steeper (or flatter) the proportion, the less the area per diagonal size.

But I guess the display for comparison is more likely a 24''x13'' scarce, ~300 sqi.

pcurve3• 4 years ago

'if your display had a 27'' diagonal, and was 25'' wide, it would be 10'' tall."

10" tall? I think your math is off.

My monitor is P2175Q. Dimension with bezel 25.2 x 16.7. LCD alone is 23.5 x 13.25".

deergomoo• 4 years ago

I was all ready to buy one of these until I realised it was the size of two 21” displays stacked, rather than two 27” as the resolution suggests.

I know I wouldn’t be losing any horizontal resolution, but I think 27” is the perfect width for a primary monitor and I wouldn’t really want to go smaller.

llaolleh3• 4 years ago

Unrelated but I've cycled through monitors and found LG monitors to be the best. They have a reading mode which takes care of most eye strain.

That reading most had stopped 95% of my eye strain attacks.

mdp20217• 4 years ago

They have a reading mode

How does it work?

llaolleh3• 4 years ago

It's a built in mode that you can navigate to with the single button on the monitor.

moltar2• 4 years ago

Any specific models you’d recommend?

llaolleh3• 4 years ago

There's a 35 inch ultra wide that goes on Sale on Costco often. I'd recommend that one.

happy_pancake2• 4 years ago

Anyone know of a good touchscreen monitor/display for events? I am using the lenovo m14t connected to a mac but looking for better options..?

CoastalCoder2• 4 years ago

Probably helpful if you say more about your required size, resolution, brightness, durability, portability, price, etc.

happy_pancake2• 4 years ago

24 inches or smaller touch screen, 1920x1080 res, vesa mount preferably! No need to be portable. If there’s square-ish displays that’ll be cool too! Thanks!

sbf5014• 4 years ago

My cervical vertebrae are cowering in fear. I'd rather twist left to right and put the burden on muscles, than over-articulate my neck.

willio58• 4 years ago

I’ve been using a vertical monitor recently and I have to say I haven’t noticed any pain. I don’t tend to look up and down with my head, I simply move my eyes up and down

Schiendelman• 4 years ago

Oh you won’t notice the pain. You’ll notice in 20 years.

arghwhat2• 4 years ago

You cervical vertebrae are likely covering in fear due to significant underutilization.

sbf5014• 4 years ago

I give lots of head. I should be OK. Happy now, doctor?

make3• 4 years ago

can't you just move your eyes

mdp20217• 4 years ago

To be fair to the poster, we have in general horizontally distributed eyes. Yes the display is squarish, so the focus uses similar distances, but maybe the game of peripheral vision gives the L↔R space some advantage.

I would install extra eyes.

dominotw4• 4 years ago

I think most of ppl have the opposite problem called "nerd neck" from looking down all the time while using phone, laptop ect. This could be a nice antidote to that :D .

sangnoir• 4 years ago

Never heard of nerd neck til now. Every single piece of ergonomic advice on using monitors that I have encountered has recommended that the top of your monitor be level with your eyes so you look down (slightly) rather than up.

iblaine• 4 years ago

In my experience, 27" monitors on top of each other will hurt your neck and/or eyes, and side by side is more comfortable.

AuryGlenz• 4 years ago

I have the exact opposite experience. I run a 34” ultra wide on top of a 27” 16x9 monitor. The top one is angled down just a bit and there bottom one is angled up a bit. I just need to move by eyes to see them well. With side by side monitors I’m either straining my eyes or moving my neck.

Rapzid• 4 years ago

Still waiting for LG to come out with a better 27/28 inch HDR monitor. I LOVE my Ultra Gear, but the edge-lit HDR zones could really use a refresh.

Pakdef• 4 years ago

I like my 30" that I use as 1, 2, 3 or 4 monitors by tiling windows... they automatically snap to corner or side by dragging them.

vehemenz2• 4 years ago

It's nice to see large manufacturers break out of the 16:9 mold, although I think 4:3, 3:2, or 5:4 would be better for most users.

Unfortunately, LG is letting the supply chain dictate panel size for their product team, instead of the other way around. This is no doubt a byproduct of their decision to stop building their own panels in 2020.

lambdaba• 4 years ago

3:2 is ideal, Microsoft's Surface Book series have it

pkz• 4 years ago

...and the Acer Swift. A great screen size for programmers.

saiya-jin• 4 years ago

Its rather close to 16:10 which is more ubiquitous (I have 32" one funnily enough from LG from pre-covid times, and oh boy was I glad I bought when it came).

It feels so natural to my eyes, I definitely don't want vertical panel but 16:9 is pretty crap for any kind of work.

arthurfm• 4 years ago

Huawei's MateView 28.2" monitor too. It has a 3840 x 2560 resolution (which is slightly more than the 2560 x 2880 resolution of the LG DualUp), although sadly is not VESA mountable.

layer83• 4 years ago

I believe I’d slightly prefer 16:11 if that existed, but it’s pretty close to 3:2.

Dylan16807• 4 years ago

It's a good baseline, but for big setups I think there's a point where you want the width to grow faster than the height.

cbozeman• 4 years ago

Jesus Christ, why did they stop building their own panels??

No one had panel quality like LG... :(

tumult• 4 years ago

Is this actually true? I searched and didn't find anything about LG ending their computer display LCD manufacturing.

Wistar2• 4 years ago

I have a pair of 2019 LG 4K 27s that I covet.

ThatMedicIsASpy• 4 years ago

i would not say 16:9 stacked on top of each other is breaking out of 16:9

iLoveOncall5• 4 years ago

I would say this is very far from "breaking out of the 16:9 mold".

You can clearly say that the vast majority of the product pictures instead present it as a 2x16:9. Most of the text is also selling it as a replacement for a double monitor setup.

kelsolaar• 4 years ago

Where did you read that they stopped producing their own panels?

jvolkman• 4 years ago

I've been using 43 inch 4k displays as monitors for 3 years now and don't think I could go back to anything smaller. Font size at native scaling is just right for me and there's plenty of real estate.

koverda• 4 years ago

I’m up to dual 75 inch 8k and it feels just right. Tried going down to 43 inches and it felt cramped.

immigrantheart• 4 years ago

How do you even able to read it? From what distance?

xur17• 4 years ago

I was considering this recently, but didn't find a good curved version. What do you use?

PainfullyNormal• 4 years ago

Would you be willing to post a picture of your setup? That sounds insanely cool.

rsync2• 4 years ago

EIZO makes a 1:1 monitor you can buy off the shelf right now:

https://www.eizo.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/

dmix• 4 years ago

I like how they target programmers specifically on their landing page.

I wonder how well it works in practice. I typically have multiple tabs open so I don’t mind going wide over long. But it is easier to look down rather than sideways.

ahmedfromtunis• 4 years ago

What I'm really concerned about is having to look down for longer periods of time with monitors like these.

I used to have a terrible back pain that magically disappeared when I elevated my laptop so that the screen is at my eye level.

I still have a lighter version of this pain whenever I have to work for an extended period from a coffee shop or wherever I can't elevate the laptop.

somat• 4 years ago

I love it, perhaps we are entering a golden age of 1:1 screens. I had a blackberry passport and the second greatest thing about it was that it had a square screen and took square pictures.

markonen• 4 years ago

It’s a great test case for your “is this display landscape or portrait” functions

steanne• 4 years ago

i have that and the one thing i don't like about it is the max rate is 60hz. even 75 would be fine; i don't need amazing, just a bit more than 60. this new lg monitor has really neat features: the picture by picture and the built-in kvm are clever and useful, but it has the same 60hz.

stonogo• 4 years ago

It's been out of stock for years at this point.

abraxas• 4 years ago

Great aspect ratio but pathetic DPI. I'd buy it in a heart beat if it had 4x the pixels.

alin23• 4 years ago

Looks like some users of Lunar (https://lunar.fyi) are already using this monitor: https://files.alinpanaitiu.com/6a7515174ddd729a3df47063ee760...

Some notable data points:

    - supports DDC brightness control (controlling the real brightness of the monitor using Lunar on Mac, TwinkleTray on Windows or ddcutil on Linux)
    - supports DDC volume control
    - supports Lunar's XDR Brightness feature (https://lunar.fyi/#xdr) which means that in HDR mode the full brightness of the display can be unlocked and used for SDR content
        - although the specs page reports a typical brightness of 300nits so not sure if this has any effect
    - it isn't recognized as HiDPI by macOS (this used to cause blurry text, not sure if this is the case here but BetterDisplay is a thing these days so not an issue)

If you want to dig deeper, you can find the same data here: https://db.lunar.fyi

And here's the query I used:

    SELECT
        name,
        ddc,
        "canChangeVolume",
        orientation,
        width,
        height,
        "dotsPerInch",
        "maxEDR",
        "potentialEDR",
        "refreshRate",
        "isHiDPI",
        "isRetina", 
        "isSmartDisplay",
         ("kCGDisplayID" <= 10) as "appleSilicon", -- M1 assigns IDs from 2 to 10, Intel uses much larger IDs
        *
    FROM
        displays
    WHERE
        name ILIKE '%SDQHD%'
        AND "DisplayProductID" != 0 -- Filter out those in a semi-connected state

kposehn8• 4 years ago

I used Better Display with it (very useful tool) but it only partially improved the scaling instead of resolving entirely. It still has banding, jagged edges and some lag.

ComputerGuru3• 4 years ago

I’ve been looking for a replacement for my 16:10 HP zr30w with either high-dpi or high-fps (not that this is particularly either) and have been coming up high-and-dry. This looks like an alternative worth exploring instead of the garbage 16:9 flooding the market with unusable high-dpi real estate.

But it doesn’t have VESA? I’m all for the “save desk space” mantra that’s plastered all over their marketing materials, but my solution was a wall/stud-mounted gas spring fully-articulated VESA mount that I’ve used across several monitors. I definitely don’t want a desk-clamped alternative that will flatter and shake as I type vigorously on my mechanical keyboard (on anything that isn’t a solid, handcrafted wood desk that takes four people to move).

ravis11• 4 years ago

I'm pretty sure it has a Vesa mount. Their specs say wall-mountable 100x100 and other sites say its a Vesa 100x100 mount.

kposehn8• 4 years ago

I can confirm it works with VESA mounts without issue. I’m using an Ergotron arm mounted to the wall and it went on no problem.

locofocos4• 4 years ago

I'm using the included monitor stand. The monitor definitely can move relative to my desk if I shake my desk, but it's noticeably sturdier than a cheap (but highly rated) monitor arm from Amazon. I'm personally pleased using the monitor stand.

puppycodes• 4 years ago

its a great monitor if your productivity standards are high and your visual quality standards are low

mdp20217• 4 years ago

Which specification details you see as bad?

robertoandred2• 4 years ago

The ppi

JimRoepcke2• 4 years ago

I received one last week. Works great on my M1 MBP. I have a 16:9 monitor above the MBP and the LG to the right of it, but now I want to get a keyboard, trackpad and webcam so I can swap the positions of the monitors and have the LG as my main monitor.

My only complaint is it’s not as wide as a 27” monitor despite having the same resolution as Thunderbolt Displays / 27” iMacs. So the pixels are smaller. The width is closer to a 24” 16:9.

But I love the stand, and everything else about it.

aviditas2• 4 years ago

Yes! The stand is really great; I have mine on an adjustable height desk and it takes up so little space. Which is perfect as I have so little space to work with. I got it recently and for me it's spot on as my main monitor. The built-in two device kvm saves me so much time. I can't speak to the resolution woes as I was using two very, very old monitors at home so I've just been basking in the glow of using something made recently. I've been enjoying the vertical space for tasks like going through logs/giant spreadsheets and then switching to the dual monitor mode for the usual multi-tasking. I've used dual 32in curved fancy monitors at the office before and found that I would just use a fourth of the real estate available. My brain prefers the vertical space over the horizontal.

kposehn8• 4 years ago

Were you able to get proper hidpi scaling on it without artifacts/blurriness or are you just letting it run at native scaling?

djcollier• 4 years ago

My solution has been to use it as a second monitor, run it at native resolution, and only use it for apps where I can reliablably increase the font size (terminals, web apps/pages with good zoom support). I keep VSCode on my high DPI main monitor.

vondur• 4 years ago

I still have a bunch of older 24" 1920x1200 displays which are 16:10 and give you more vertical space than a 1920x1080 monitor.

oumua_don17• 4 years ago

There is also this new ergo dual 27 display from LG. [1]

[1] https://www.lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-27qp88d-b#

brentadamson• 4 years ago

Can you daisy chain another set of these so that I have 4 monitors total or can you just daisy chain one set?

nopcode2• 4 years ago

Not on apple and probably only 30Hz with windows.

4 x 1440p@60Hz is ± 26.6 Gbps which is really pushing it for displayport 1.3

linsomniac2• 4 years ago

I've been running two 4K 30" displays in this form factor for 3-4 months and love it. I put the upper monitor on an arm above the lower. The upper is a bit too high for doing regular work on, but it's great status stuff (slack, music player, bugtracker, e-mail, ...).

The down side of this LG is that it's about the price I paid for the two 30" 4K displays... The curse of irregular displays, losing economies of scale.

pcurve3• 4 years ago

Would love to see your desk setup ;-)

linsomniac2• 4 years ago

https://photos.app.goo.gl/BzcR4Q12MzL8bTiFA

To answer the first question I'm likely to get: The blue painters tape is a "cat napping on the laptop keyboard when I'm away prevention device".

kposehn8• 4 years ago

I’ve had one of these for a few weeks and am returning it. Here’s my take:

- The aspect ratio is great when rotated 90 degrees. I really liked having more vertical room for coding and documents.

- Screen scaling with Mac OS does not work well. I’ve been using BetterDisplay to address this but it still suffers from lag, banding and pixelation.

As a result I’m returning and getting a BenQ 32” 4K. If the scaling issues on mac are addressed later on I may revisit it.

likeclockwork2• 4 years ago

That's unfortunate. I was hoping to get one of these as an external monitor for an MBP.

I do have to wonder though, you're saying 'Screen scaling with Mac OS' and 'scaling issues on mac' but this is just a monitor, Isn't that "MacOS screen scaling does not work well" and "mac scaling issues" rather than any defect with the device itself?

kposehn8• 4 years ago

I was disappointed too. In the end the vastly improved aspect ratio and ergonomics could not overcome the unpleasant screen quality.

While Mac OS has never had an issue with other monitors and scaling replies in my experience, it does for the DualUp. I’m not knowledgeable enough about the various protocols to know if this is Apple or LG’s responsibility, but the end result is not pleasant.

locofocos4• 4 years ago

I bought one, and I'm also upset with how Mac OS handles the scaling.

I've tried absolutely every utility that allegedly makes higher DPI monitors work: BetterDisplay, SwitchResX, EasyRes, and a few other little ones. BetterDisplay makes it sound like they support full resolution with any arbitrary scaling factor. But all of them, at least the ones that did ANYTHING, they only offered the exact same behavior that Mac's built-in display settings offered. They only let me run at a lower resolution. I'm on a 2020 Intel MBP.

Running it at 1920x2160 (just via Mac's built-in settings) is annoying, but it displays things at the correct size and lets me move on with my life. It's still slightly crisper than my old 96 DPI monitor, and the screen real estate + aspect ratio is absolutely amazing for coding.

It's a real shame that neither Mac nor LG has a solution similar to what Windows offers. Hooking the Dualup to my Windows 10 PC, it immediately just worked. Full resolution, 150% scaling, it was the perfect size. Text looks so much crisper on Windows than Mac with this monitor. I've been considering installing some Linux distro for my daily work just to enjoy proper scaling (I figure Ubuntu would offer something similar to Windows).

nvarsj• 4 years ago

Are you sure it's not the OS X chroma issue on external displays? It has some bug with the EDID exchange, and doesn't use full chroma - making everything look blurry. There is a way to fix it [1], but it's pretty insane Apple still hasn't fixed this basic functionality.

1: https://gist.github.com/ejdyksen/8302862

cjbprime• 4 years ago

For what it's worth, my take: buy something like the LG C2 42" OLED TV. It is huge (but not too huge) and an excellent quality display. If you want to try ultrawide, or a square display, or an unusual aspect ratio, just.. make those desktop sizes out of your large screen.

likeclockwork2• 4 years ago

LG C2 42" is 8.3 megapixels vs. this monitor's 7.4 megapixels.

This monitor offers 88% of the pixels the LG C2 does but compresses them into half the surface area. It also costs half the price.

For the same amount of money you can have 14.8 megapixels at higher PPI in a much more flexible format. 4K seems like a lot of real estate but at standard->lower PPI (large screen few pixels) realistically you don't get that much more real estate, especially compared to the 2560x1440 (and multiples thereof) displays.

I used to use a 55" LG OLED as a monitor but in practice, coming from dual 27" 2560x1440 monitors, I rarely did deep work in quadrants of 1920x1080. I tended to use a 2560 main slice and then the leftovers for reference and my terminals. I found 55" 4K as a monitor to be overly large and lacking in usable detail and I'm not sure I trust 42" to be small enough to make up for that.

system2• 4 years ago

A 4k 32" monitor is $300. Why pay $700 for this when we can use a similar one? Is it just the ratio?

moltar2• 4 years ago

Any you’d recommend in this price range? I’m looking for something like MacBook “retina” quality. Thank you.

dragonwriter2• 4 years ago

A 4k 32" monitor is $300. Why pay $700 for this when we can use a similar one? Is it just the ratio?

Yes, it's the ratio.

DavidVoid• 4 years ago

If you're curious what a setup with three of these would look like, there was a post on r/battlestations today by an app developer who uses three of them [0].

[0] https://old.reddit.com/r/battlestations/comments/vv2tca/app_...

wodenokoto• 4 years ago

So this is two 16:9 stacked on top of each other. Each with 2560x1440 resolution and each … how many inches?

layer83• 4 years ago

I’m waiting for a 200+ DPI OLED monitor with something like 4500 x 3000 resolution.

orthoxerox2• 4 years ago

I wish USB-C single cable solution would become standard on all screens, along with a built-in USB/BT hub. Then we could revisit the idea of thumbstick PCs. I am not a big fan of laptops and would gladly carry a Mars bar-sized computer with me instead.

closeparen• 4 years ago

I used to work with someone who carried an Intel NUC in his backpack rather than the standard issue laptop.

orthoxerox2• 4 years ago

I was given a NUC-sized PC when we switched to WFH and liked it more than a laptop, but I still had to carry a power brick with it, doubling the bulk. Getting DC from the display would've been much more convenient.

elliotpage• 4 years ago

This reminds me of the Eizo 1:1 format monitor that I always coveted but never bought. Now it appears they are no longer being made.

https://www.eizo.com/products/flexscan/ev2730q/

zone411• 4 years ago

I got them recently as the side monitors for a 16:9 43'' 4k in the middle. The height matches almost perfectly. I love this layout so far, so much desktop space and such high resolution! And it's nice to have a big 16:9 screen in the middle for videos. Finally a worthy replacement for my three 10-year-old 30'' 16:10 Dells.

For people who work in Windows: you will want to use https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse and you'll need to modify the registry to work around this issue https://github.com/mgth/LittleBigMouse/issues/80 if you don't want your mouse cursor to jump vertically during screen transitions.

stevejb• 4 years ago

What 43" monitor are you using? Do you happen to have a picture of your setup?

SergeAx4• 4 years ago

This is a perfect one for crypto traders! These days they should rotate their 16:9 vertically to see the full depth of assets plunged. Now they will have this and see much longer history at the same time.

LoveMortuus• 4 years ago

I appreciate the joke. While I consider buying and trading crypto on the same risk level as gambling, I am crypto mining which even though crypto dropped is somehow still profitable even after the electricity is paid.

This monitor is quite interesting especially for text editing and playing Factorio, would love to try it one day!

tradertef4• 4 years ago

Horrible and tasteless comment. HN crowd takes every opportunity to attack Bitcoin.

charles_kaw• 4 years ago

Because the cryptocurrency community demonstrated incredible hubris, and even mocked "no-coiners" constantly. So, it shouldn't be a surprise that some people would respond in kind.

I don't think it's great to mock people for losing their life savings, but that's where it's coming from I think.

SergeAx4• 4 years ago

I left you a perfect chance to retort with a joke about future crypto-assets growth, but you chose just to whine lamely. No wonder crypto bros are so non-likable.

what-imright• 4 years ago

Get this! Amazon lets you pay $140/mo to buy it on many accounts. I think that’s a golden deal (And I ordered)

aldeluis• 4 years ago

I bought a LG 4k monitor with ERGO mount (32UN880-B.AEU). After the first week of use the useful small USB-C connector (power + video) was ripped off the back of the monitor PCB because the only mechanical support of this connector was the solder, no additional support to the chassis. A big hole where you can see the PCB.

Seems that there's no problem for this method of attachment in bigger connectors (HDMI or DisplayPort) but the soldered attachment of USB-C is not strong. It needs additional support to the chassis. The minimal movement of the included stiff usb-c cable when moving the ERGO mount will tear the connector off the PCB.

My monitor is broken and technical service didn't take responsibility. Money lost, never again LG.

nsonha• 4 years ago

with the added height of the monitor, this barely make it a monitor that has does not need external arm to be tall enough for correct posture. Monitors sold on the market are hazardously low, I always need an arm or several books stacked to pad them. There should be some health regulation around this.

GoOnThenDoTell• 4 years ago

This would be amazing it it were 2x4k rather 2x1440p

LG 28-inch 16:18 DualUp Monitor

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