Jacksonpollock.org (2003)

https://jacksonpollock.org/

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jacksonpollock.org

memalign• 1 year ago

The page looks blank so click/tap to fill it in…!

codr7• 1 year ago

Cool, but needs color.

NAHWheatCracker• 1 year ago

Click and it changes colors.

KTibow2• 1 year ago

Checking the source, you could also use your keyboard (eg 0-9 is a grayscale palette).

cbarrick• 1 year ago

Fun thing!

The double-click to clear is too sensitive for me. I keep accidentally clearing when I try to go fast.

lupire• 1 year ago

Don't click.

sertsa• 1 year ago

Clicking changes the color of the paint. Not clicking would be pretty monochromatic and not very Pollock-y

Zanni• 1 year ago

Fun, but more suggestive of Steadman (illustrator of Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas and other things) than Pollock: https://www.npr.org/2014/04/27/307285367/artist-ralph-steadm...

pkdpic• 1 year ago

Agreed, super cool project. All it seems like it would need for a full pollock vibe would be a color palette selector. And maybe this audio track on loop and a transparent overlay of animated cigarette smoke. Great url.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nmzppQU-lqA

zrail• 1 year ago

Also maybe a random cigarette butt once in a while.

serf• 1 year ago

I disagree.

Pollock used a lot of connected ink splotches, Steadman's 'inkling' stuff is usually large white-space separated splotches, an effect that is impossible with this tool.

also Steadman moved away from that eventually, whereas Pollock leaned into it until death.

Moreover Pollocks' art was the splotches, whereas it was usually an accoutrement for Steadman around a different -- usually framed -- perspective.

tanseydavid• 1 year ago

Agreed. The results look more Steadman-like.

hifikuno• 1 year ago

Hah! I waited far too long for the page to load. It wasn't until I moved my mouse to another window that I realized.

cjonas• 1 year ago

Same here! Figured it was the HN hug of death and left.

tolerance• 1 year ago

I know it’s early but it’s funny to note the difference between the comments here so far and what the discussion was like in 2020:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24269430

randall• 1 year ago

wow. that’s awesome. i don’t understand why but i’m happy.

milesrout• 1 year ago

[flagged]

yieldcrv• 1 year ago

It looks like people are more appreciate of everyone’s ability to express themselves adequately and garner influence to share

very onbrand with how this debate has gone so far!

I’m glad

daneel_w• 1 year ago

Of topics like these my father, a lover of all things art and photography, would say: "It doesn't matter if it's bad, and it doesn't matter that anyone can do it; he was the one who did it first."

dang8• 1 year ago

Could you please follow the site guidelines when posting to HN? They include:

"Please don't sneer"

and

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

aqueueaqueue• 1 year ago

There is a question as to whether it used SWF back in the day. It is likely but also would Java Applets have still been an option then?

rasso• 1 year ago

I remember. It was written in Flash

jccalhoun2• 1 year ago

archive.org's cache of the 2003 version tried to download a swf file. so it was flash

dang8• 1 year ago

Thanks! Macroexpanded:

Jackson Pollock - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37876645 - Oct 2023 (2 comments)

Jacksonpollock.org (2003) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24269430 - Aug 2020 (151 comments)

msla4• 1 year ago

Why was this comment erased?

Here's a topic I don't see people engaging with: I could in principle make the same kinds of completely abstract paintings Pollock did, but if I do it, it won't be art because I'm not in the art world. I have no access to galleries, I have no patrons, and I generally don't move in those circles, so I have no ability to be taken seriously for doing it.

krapp2• 1 year ago

I don't know, but the commenter would be wrong. Art is art regardless of its credibility in "the art world," whatever that means. I suppose they meant they couldn't be as famous as Jackson Pollock for doing what he did, which seems to be confusing the value of art with the value of celebrity (the "ability to be taken seriously".)

What made Jackson Pollock's work art was the intent behind it. What made him and others like him famous was the CIA (as inevitably mentioned elsewhere in this thread.)

motoxpro2• 1 year ago

Interesting that people miss that so much of art is about the idea, not the execution. Most musicians can play a beatles song (ex. thousands of dead on cover bands), anyone can take a photo (ex. see shot on iPhone campaign), a lot of people can paint the mona lisa or other famous art (ex. see faked paintings).

It's that someone had the wild thought to do it in the first place.

A cynical take is that people are just so far away from the level that they see the execution as the difficult part. Like saying, I could type out the linux kernal.

yapyap• 1 year ago

lol not gonna lie I thought it got the HN hug of death at first

amelius• 1 year ago

Reminds me of the early days of Javascript when every other website had a gimmick like this one.

cattown• 1 year ago

People seem confused about the UI. You don't need to click, just move. Most keys on the keyboard correspond to a color. Shift + those keys sets the background.

I like it that there's no hint, it just rewards exploration and experimentation.

cactusplant7374• 1 year ago

Clicking changes the color too.

macintux• 1 year ago

Launching it on an iPad was a mystery. I assumed it was suffering from the HN hug of death until I tried to swipe back.

Wistar• 1 year ago

Me, too. Thought a script failed to fire on iPad/Safari.

Deprogrammer94• 1 year ago

it got old fast lol but for a few minutes I was into it.

quanto• 1 year ago

What a wonderful demonstration of how a simple UI can create so much joy. Utility to Kolmogorov complexity ratio is quite high on this one.

every• 1 year ago

I find it interesting that Pollock was a student of the American Regionalist Thomas Hart Benton[1]. No two artists could have been more unalike...

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Hart_Benton_(painter)

antgonzales• 1 year ago

Jackson Pollock's style evolved throughout his life. The Whitney had a show with his early works and it's nothing like his splatter painting style we all know[1].

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/26/nyregion/a-review-of-men-...

marcus0x62• 1 year ago

I wonder what the art dealers in Who The #$&% Is Jackson Pollack[0] would think of this?

0 - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0487092

julianz• 1 year ago

It's cool, but that's definitely a Ralph Steadman background generator, much more than Pollock.

mmoustafa2• 1 year ago

Fun! Reminds me of spending a week in 2012 trying to find the perfect blackboard chalk effect http://mmoustafa.com/experiments/chalk/

After many experiments, the most realistic was painting a thick line and then erasing tiny randomly sized rectangles out of it.

buggy6257• 1 year ago

I need this combined with Excalidraw somehow and I would be so happy. There's something so viscerally satisfying about chalkboards, even virtual. Thanks for this! You did a phenomenal job on the chalk effect.

bleakenthusiasm• 1 year ago

It looks really good. Like, really good. I have one thing that throws me, though: if you keep drawing over the same section, you don't get more coverage. It always looks like the first pass. But I'm so surprised at how well this works to emulate chalk.

KTibow2• 1 year ago

It seems the only thing that changes how covered a section is the speed you go over it with.

revorad• 1 year ago

This is so cool! It'd be even more fun if it had sound effects.

dmd• 1 year ago

You're a monster.

gilleain• 1 year ago

Hah I did something similar around the same time, using random white/gray/black pixels (apparently, I don't remember any details any more!)

https://gilleain.blogspot.com/2008/11/chalky.html

mmoustafa2• 1 year ago

That looks awesome!

timkpaine• 1 year ago

In case anyone wants to do one themselves (and learn Clojure), I think this was posted on HN previously: https://tombooth.co.uk/painting-in-clojure/

msla4• 1 year ago

Here's a topic I don't see people engaging with: I could in principle make the same kinds of completely abstract paintings Pollock did, but if I do it, it won't be art because I'm not in the art world. I have no access to galleries, I have no patrons, and I generally don't move in those circles, so I have no ability to be taken seriously for doing it.

plufz• 1 year ago

Do you think simply copying a 70 year old idea would make you a world famous artist if you had more connections in art?

(Not that abstract painting really describes what made Pollock famous, action painting is obviously it.)

msla4• 1 year ago

Do you think simply copying a 70 year old idea would make you a world famous artist if you had more connections in art?

No, I meant like Pollock in terms of being completely non-representational.

jonahx• 1 year ago

It would be still be art but no, you wouldn't be taken seriously.

To some extent succeeding at art is by definition succeeding in those circles, whether through politics, a chance patron or gallery owner fixating on you, raw unignorable talent, etc. A related definition is succeeding by sheer popularity and fame, like a Banksy, though he's succeeded in both ways. I don't think this insight undermines the art world wholesale, though it definitely suggests (correctly) that luck plays role, that not all great artists succeed, and that not all successful artists are great. Most games in life are like this.

Waterluvian• 1 year ago

I want this but multitouch so badly.

Sn0wCoder• 1 year ago

The Paper.js library is neat if you like this site (found it looking through the source). http://paperjs.org/

CaramelGrudge• 1 year ago

I’ve played a lot with this years ago. Could have been between 10 and 15 years back even! Didn’t know it still existed. Thanks for sharing

vasco• 1 year ago

My portrait https://imgur.com/a/SKrexZb

femto• 1 year ago

On a tangent, the floor of Pollock's studio is an artwork in its own right:

https://aaqeastend.com/contents/aaq-portfolio-jackson-polloc...

dang8• 1 year ago

Wow, that would make a great HN submission in its own right—though not anytime soon! one has to let the hivemind caches clear first.

TheSpiceIsLife2• 1 year ago

On the other hand, when brick and mortar stores of the same kind are located near each other they all sell more.

And we often see two of the same topics thriving on the HN front page.

adamredwoods2• 1 year ago

I absolutely love this and here's why: many people who criticize art as being "child's doodles" lack the experience and process of art. Education raises all boats. This is that type of simple education.

So now, I hope every here tries to make their own Pollock art.

https://www.moma.org/artists/4675-jackson-pollock

ilbeeper• 1 year ago

Because Pollock would smash it with a masterpiece right out of his cellphone? This is cute but not a great device to reveal the truth to the uneducated

adamredwoods2• 1 year ago

Nope. To think to is create. I want more people to think. Trying to make a masterpiece with this is not the point.

InsideOutSanta• 1 year ago

I think what he would do is better than what most others would.

This reminds me of something that happened to me in the early 90s. I went to a local computer show (where local distributors would show new hardware) with a friend who's an artist. There was a booth with a color Mac, probably an LC or something like that, running Mac Paint. People were doodling on it, playing around with the spray can and the text tool, and it looked like random stuff thrown on a canvas. Not having a computer at home, my friend was curious, and queued to play with it.

When my friend got a turn on the Mac, first time on a Mac using Mac Paint, he made a drawing that genuinely looked like a piece of art. If there had been a printer nearby, I could have printed it out and put it on my wall, and nobody would have thought that this was a somebody's first time using Mac Paint.

Art is a genuine skill, and you will see the difference between an artist and a random person regardless of the canvas they use.

I guess this also reminds me of the introduction of the Amiga, with Warhol using the paint can to fill in sections of a photo of Debbie Harry. Technically, this is something everybody can do, but Warhol knew which colors to pick, which sections to color, and which choices to make to create something that actually looks great.

osehgol• 1 year ago

absolutely wonderful, thank you

msuvakov2• 1 year ago

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dang8• 1 year ago

(I took out several dozen lines of whitespace from this post. Looks like the green graphic didn't come through.)

msuvakov2• 1 year ago

Thanks. It seems that some UTF-8 characters are not accepted as part of the comment. Anyone who wants to see the rabbit should check the page source :)

emoprincejack• 1 year ago

why is this front page on HN

Deprogrammer94• 1 year ago

The CIA runs hacker news.

dang8• 1 year ago

Well that made me lol! (Edit: oh. now that i've seen https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42987770 it's not so funny; too bad)

FWIW the CIA does not run Hacker News. (that I know of)

bdangubic• 1 year ago

if you have to ask this question you are in a wrong place :)

helsinki• 1 year ago

Make this a Vision Pro app, please.

rexpop3• 1 year ago

Fun fact! Jackson Pollock, along with other abstract expressionists, was a CIA propaganda asset!

The CIA believed that abstract expressionism, with its unbound and individualistic style, could be associated with American freedoms, so they secretly funded the "Congress for Cultural Freedom", an anti-communist advocacy group that promoted American arts and culture, including abstract expressionism, through international art shows and publications.

Art or writings that touched on US racism (Pollock was contemporaneous with numerous lynchings) and imperialism (Guatemala, Iran, Greece, Korea) were, of course, passed over.

Ever since I learned this, I have lost all emotional appreciation for his works. While before they seemed free, now they seem cheap.

Deprogrammer94• 1 year ago

They killed him knowing his art would skyrocket in price. They still have his art on their walls to this day.

rexpop3• 1 year ago

This is a vague and baseless conspiracy theory.

0x1ceb00da• 1 year ago

It was a money laundering scheme.

dang8• 1 year ago

Was modern art a CIA psy-op? (2020) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36155204 - June 2023 (332 comments)

https://www.openculture.com/2023/10/how-the-cia-secretly-use...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10462602

skrebbel• 1 year ago

Ever since I learned this, I have lost all emotional appreciation for his works. While before they seemed free, now they seem cheap.

I don't understand this. Because he got paid for it, the work is cheap? Do you think he would've made different works if the CIA hadn't funded his art shows? I struggle to imagine what a Pollock "about" racism would look like, and how the CIA would notice that it's about racism.

I mean you do you, I don't mean to tell you you can't dislike someone's art. I just really don't get it :D

alt2273• 1 year ago

It reeks of the same stench as cancel culture. Once some people have seen a connection to something they dont like, they just cant bring themselves to enjoy that thing anymore. I guess those sorts of people like to fixate on what they hate.

rexpop3• 1 year ago

I struggle to imagine what a Pollock "about" racism would look like

That Pollock's style cannot address racism is, possibly, why it was promoted over more politically salient schools.

bazoom42• 1 year ago

CIA also promoted jazz music which was very effective in getting European intellectuals and artists to appreciate American culture more.

But I don’t see how that should make you appreciate jazz music itself any more or less.

hermitcrab5• 1 year ago

When I look at ludicrously priced 'conceptual art' and 'abstract expressionism' I see decadence, not freedom.

krapp2• 1 year ago

The freedom to express a decadence that would be forbidden by the USSR. That's the entire point.

Deprogrammer94• 1 year ago

Pollock’s art is not just random splashes but a sophisticated interaction of movement, gravity, and fluid dynamics, creating fractal-like structures. This fractal nature might contribute to why people find his work visually compelling—it resonates with patterns we see in nature.

jfengel3• 1 year ago

What are your thoughts if I don't find it compelling? Is that the end of it, or is there some reason for me to keep seeking emotional resonance in it?

bigstrat20032• 1 year ago

I mean, it's just random splashes. I don't think there's a reason to convince yourself that there is some compelling hidden meaning to it.

mturmon• 1 year ago

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/29103-try-to-be-one-of-thos...

noirbot2• 1 year ago

It's not any more random than where you happen to be standing in relation to the clouds at sunset. There's plenty of days that doesn't have any emotional resonance to me, but some days it does. I wouldn't dwell on it, and if you happen to see a piece in person some day, maybe it strikes you differently.

psytrancefan• 1 year ago

This app is as interesting as Pollocks's art. A few moments of "interesting" then you close the browser and move on.

UberFly2• 1 year ago

Pollock's "art" is generous. The guy splashed random paint around. Buyers would come in and point to the section that "spoke" to them. He'd cut out that section, sign it, and extract thousands from these idiots. Actually, good for him come to think of it.

umvi• 1 year ago

To me this reads like someone praising the exquisite quality of the invisible Egyptian cotton forming the emperor's clothes

chefandy• 1 year ago

This is a fun toy. I have no problem naming toys after the serious people and things that inspired it. For all I know, that is exactly what the author of this toy intended to do. Toy isn’t even a denigrating term — play is critically important to many things, especially in visual art.

What gets old is the hubris of the tech world thinking that an artist’s intention and methods boil down to a superficial ‘style’— devoid of granular stroke-by-stroke intention, context, or meaning which you can apply to any arbitrary subject or setting to effectively create new works by that artist.

amadeuspagel• 1 year ago

Beautiful. Minimal interface. The domain itself is the only necessary explanation.

matthberg3• 1 year ago

It's configurable too!

Numbers set grey scale.

Letters set colors (b=blue, r=red, y=yellow, etc).

Mouse click sets random color.

Spacebar or double-click resets canvas.

I didn't discover this, comment stolen from previous discussion (thank you Cactus2018!): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24284711

SeanLuke2• 1 year ago

Somehow something I typed changed the background color. But I don't know how.

novosel2• 1 year ago

ctrl+b

matthberg3• 1 year ago

I figured it out--<Shift + color-letter> changes the background color!

Shift+w = white background

Shift+9 = dark gray background

Shift+d = black background

Also I found out the color letters aren't limited to "rgbyo", there's a color for nearly every letter.

d = black

w = white

u = umber (nice brown)

i = teal

p = cream

s = salmon

l = slightly muted yellow

Check the code at view-source:https://jacksonpollock.org/js/myScript.js for more!

"m" brings up some info about the person who made this, Miltos Manetas. Thank you Miltos!

thesparks• 1 year ago

Can someone with ChatGPT Pro use Operator and ask it to move the mouse to create a beautiful painting and see what happens?

krism• 1 year ago

Amazing!!!

LAC-Tech• 1 year ago

Can someone help me? I can't get to the main page, but it draws what looks like a toddlers art work when I try and use it.

Firefox on Linux.

xeonax• 1 year ago

This reminded me of my Show HN https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41791443

ChrisArchitect• 1 year ago

Based on Stamen Design's Splatter https://stamen.com/splatter-now-re-available-for-download-15... https://github.com/stamen/splatter

tomgp• 1 year ago

I remember when the Jacksonpollock.org first came online there was a bit of drama around the fact that Miltos Manetas had taken Stamen’s original Flash file (well known within the flash community at the time but not so much outside) and re-hosted it without credit or permission. They sorted it out and Stamen were credited in the end but it opened my eyes to how much of contemporary art it’s actually marketing. (With reference here to Manetas not Pollock)

chris_wot• 1 year ago

Has anyone seen Blue Poles? It nearly brought down a government.

hermitcrab5• 1 year ago

"The National Gallery of Australia (NGA) purchased Blue Poles in 1973 for US$1.3 million." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Poles

There is one born every minute.

wistlo• 1 year ago

Showed this to my 16 year old and she said, "oh, yeah, I've got that bookmarked."

"You should also try Mondrian and Me."

I did, and it's as you would expect:

https://mondrianandme.com/

More fun than panda dataframes, at least at this hour.

samdung• 1 year ago

Since we are on Pollock ...

https://daily.jstor.org/was-modern-art-really-a-cia-psy-op/

kilroy123• 1 year ago

How cool to see this. This last year, I helped the artist fix this and bring this back to life. Makes me smile to see it here. :)

Here is the Artist's home page, btw:

https://manetas.com/timeline.com/en/

smrtkobylam• 1 year ago

Great! Is this website funded by CIA as well?

qoez• 1 year ago

2003? Canvas wasn't a thing until the 2010s

jccalhoun2• 1 year ago

I went on archive.org and it looks like the 2003 version used flash.

SJC_Hacker• 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canvas_element

"Canvas was initially introduced by Apple for use in their own Mac OS X WebKit component in 2004,[1] powering applications like Dashboard widgets and the Safari browser. Later, in 2005, it was adopted in version 1.8 of Gecko browsers,[2] and Opera in 2006,[3] and standardized by the Web Hypertext Application Technology Working Group (WHATWG) on new proposed specifications for next generation web technologies.[4]

fitsumbelay• 1 year ago

the main reason why I el-you-vee love this is that it's what my first sketches in processing ( minus the obligatory "random" color generation on every mouse click ( somehow those colors where never really random ) ) plus some algo for extra splotches around curves, it looks like. a very simple starting point elevated to a super cool thing.

metalman• 1 year ago

someone, once, attached different paint brushes to the branches of a tree, that could touch a canvas placed below. The completely random, but compelling results, resemble nothing so much as a pollock one of the few mad artists that I admire there work. Also have lived with paintings done in his studio by an X's relative, who was attempting the same style, but in no way achiving what pollock himself did. I do have a few random unknown artist works, that come close, and have a partial back story on two, and they were also, mad! Mad but precious, and in this time there is little physical and financial room for people and the subculters they create to thrive, and so we are impoverished. The app is cute, but it trivialises what was a huge reach into the unknown.

ascorbic• 1 year ago

It's a lot of fun building these kinds of things. I made this a few years ago and got obsessed with modelling bezier curves for individual bristles and tweaking the tiny details of blend modes https://react-artboard.netlify.app/

viggity• 1 year ago

If splines/beziers are of any interest to you, I could not recommend these videos from Freya Holmer enough.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvPPXbo87ds https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVwxzDHniEw

BeFlatXIII• 1 year ago

This brings back fond memories of playing around in KidPix in elementary school.

hermitcrab5• 1 year ago

To think that someone actually made a lucrative career out of the analogue version of this. I suppose it was one step above hanging a blank canvas with a pretentious caption underneath.

profunctor• 1 year ago

Have you seen them in real life? They are much more interesting in person.

codingdave2• 1 year ago

He did not make a lucrative career out of his painting. He was fairly poor... just famous. And not even that until the last few years of his life.

hermitcrab5• 1 year ago

It says at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Bacon_(artist) :

"By 1989 Bacon was the most expensive living artist after one of his triptychs sold at Sotheby's for over US$6 million."

And:

"He died of a heart attack on 28 April 1992, aged 82. He bequeathed his estate (then valued at £11 million) to his heir and sole legatee John Edwards."

Sounds quite lucrative to me.

gizajob• 1 year ago

“To me they look like bits of old lace” - Francis Bacon

matthberg3• 1 year ago

I've commented [0] on some of the hidden features (changing foreground and background colors with <letter/number> and <shift + letter/number> respectively) but also to note is there's some nice ascii art in the raw source (though the main bit is cut out by HN filters): view-source:https://jacksonpollock.org

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0: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42987887

Jacksonpollock.org (2003)

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