Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

https://gizmodo.com/add-fcking-to-your-google-searches-to-neutralize-ai-summaries-2000557710

by jsheard • 1 year ago

788 357 1 year ago

I like to read spicy things online. I’ve found that Google, even with safe search disabled, hides much of these unless your search is itself obviously explicit. I append “sex” to search for these without affecting results much. Entire sites are hidden otherwise.

fsckboy• 1 year ago

but along with the change you noticed, there was another change. if you have safe search off, and add a spicy word into your search, you will be shown spicy things no matter what, many things that have nothing to do with the other words you used to narrow down your search because obviously you are interested in bewbz and god knows what else

treefarmer• 1 year ago

The downside of this approach is that it can affect the search results returned. But I found that if you add " -fuck" or " -fucking" to your search term, it disables the AI summary without significantly affecting your search results (unless you happen to be looking for content of a certain kind).

jprete• 1 year ago

If you're looking for that kind of content, you could remove the minus sign?

amarcheschi• 1 year ago

Well, yes. You'll probably find some very niche kink videos though, depending on your search

m463• 1 year ago

I want to know if it invokes rule 34?

dylan6042• 1 year ago

What if you take the George Carlin approach by inserting fuck in the middle of normal words?

parasti• 1 year ago

You will miss out on the category of strongly worded but helpful content.

IgorPartola3• 1 year ago

Try it with * -tiananmen -square*

sltkr• 1 year ago

You can probably find some other term that disables the AI but is unlikely to occur naturally in the articles you'd like to find, e.g.: "react swipeable image carousel -coprophilia".

Terr_6• 1 year ago

it can affect the search results returned

Will it still work if "fuck" is part of a quoted phrase? If so, you could avoid it by constructing a phrase that contains the term but isn't going to match anything, ex: -"fuck 5823532165".

jameslk• 1 year ago

If I start fucking adding swear words to all my fucking search queries, how the fuck will the stupid ass search engine know that I did not want it to use that shit as one of my keywords and give me back a whole lot of fucked up shit?

hn_acc1• 1 year ago

How you will you ever find out why there all these fracking snakes on this motherloving plane?

pelagicAustral• 1 year ago

I like this version of the internet a lot better.

observationist• 1 year ago

Fuck yeah!

hinkley5• 1 year ago

You’ve heard of the Dark Web? Well this is the Snark Web.

edflsafoiewq• 1 year ago

It's not like it doesn't freely ignore any unquoted word whenever it feels like it.

bmurphy1976• 1 year ago

The quoted words search barely works these days anyway.

godelski2• 1 year ago

  > It's not like it doesn't freely ignore any quoted word whenever it feels like it.

FTFY

altairprime• 1 year ago

That stops if you append `&tbs=li:1`.

cynicalsecurity2• 1 year ago

Google often ignores regular words too, mockingly striking them out. This almost feels like a 1st April joke, not how a search engine is supposed to work.

belter• 1 year ago

Well at least you will get great travel suggestions to Austria....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugging,_Upper_Austria

dylan6042• 1 year ago

What about the Pho King restaurants?

godelski2• 1 year ago

To be fair, it's not like Google respects things like quotes or "-" so who says it won't just ignore your swear words?

I'm joking, somewhat, but can we seriously start getting mad about this shit?

GiorgioG• 1 year ago

Don’t worry, the next model will be trained on all your fucking queries.

hinkley5• 1 year ago

Well I’m reasonably certain you don’t want advice from a search engine on the topic of fucking.

You may think you do, but I am certain you do not.

HaZeust• 1 year ago

big r/justfuckingnews vibes here

whynotmaybe• 1 year ago

You just reminded me of this French singer that made an album called "mp3" because he wanted to make it harder to find his album on Napster.

ffhhj• 1 year ago

What if we add Gulf of Mexico?

labster3• 1 year ago

Citizen, please report to DOGE for reeducation at your plusearly convenience.

dyauspitr2• 1 year ago

Why would I want to do that? I find the summaries very useful

serviceberry2• 1 year ago

I'd go out on a limb and guess that the advice is meant for people who don't find them useful.

I don't, for two reasons. First, for looking up facts, they're nowhere near 100% dependable. If I need to check sources, might as well start there. Second, if someone made the effort to put useful content on the internet, I can grace them with a click.

matthest• 1 year ago

In my limited experience, the summaries often include a lot of false information.

kokanee• 1 year ago

They are useful if you don't care whether the information is correct, don't care where it came from, and don't care that it was stolen from publishers who in many cases invested time and money with the expectation of receiving search traffic in exchange.

mythrwy• 1 year ago

What is the plan for this over time?

I understand the appeal of not wanting to wade through 20 links to find information (especially given SEO stuff that is often on top) but why will people continue to publish as traffic decreases due to AI summaries?

I mean I understand the urgent need to keep up but the problem with "theft" is eventually it drives out honest production and everyone is worse off.

anigbrowl3• 1 year ago

Each paragraph/bullet point typically has a little link icon beside it that directs to 2 or 3 sources. I wouldn't rely on it for anything important but it's OK if you just want a quick rundown on an unfamiliar topic and want to check out likely source material.

dyauspitr2• 1 year ago

The summaries come with sources

anskia• 1 year ago

I definitely get fed up with AI assistants in the code ide and have said "just shut the fuck up and answer my question". I could just prompt it to be concise but this lets off mor steam.

clircle2• 1 year ago

Alternatively, you can just disable AI overviews in your Google settings. But that does not make for a very interesting Gizmodo article.

chatmasta2• 1 year ago

Can you? I couldn’t figure out how to do that. Then again maybe it’s because I googled it and the AI result told me it’s not possible.

Does anyone know if there’s a uBlock origin filter for this?

ToniCipriani• 1 year ago

Doesn't look like there's an official way to, most seem to involve hacking the search bar engines or installing an extension.

https://www.androidauthority.com/how-to-turn-off-ai-overview...

ankit219• 1 year ago

literally this: https://support.google.com/websearch/answer/13572151?hl=en&c...

sunshinesnacks3• 1 year ago

Same here…

AI Overview You can't completely disable Google's AI Overviews in your search results, but you can use workarounds to hide them.

The workarounds didn’t seem to work for me.

insin• 1 year ago

I made an extension for it, as I couldn't find anything existing that also worked on mobile:

https://soitis.dev/ai-overview-hider-for-google

You could also just use the underlying CSS in something like Stylus, or convert it to uBlock filters:

https://github.com/insin/ai-overview-hider-for-google/blob/m...

SubiculumCode• 1 year ago

Used the block element chooser by right clicking on the over view. However, I suspect it will be temporary given the random key: blocked: http://www.google.com/##div.EjQTId.YNk70c:nth-of-type(1)

serviceberry2• 1 year ago

There's no setting for that, Google is intentionally not giving you that choice. You can append &udm=14 to the search URL in browser settings, but that constraints search results to the "web" subcategory, so you also lose fairly useful features, such as the calculator, weather infoboxes, etc.

anigbrowl3• 1 year ago

You should probably apologize or delete.

clircle2• 1 year ago

Seems like I’m mistaken about this, sorry everyone. I don’t have ai results in my google, don’t know why

dmansen• 1 year ago

I have also been telling Gemini to "fuck off" in my gmail, but that doesn't seem to make it go away

TimTheTinker2• 1 year ago

I too want a way to make Gemini go away in gmail. I regret clicking the "Try it out" button.

ljm• 1 year ago

Using a native email client or something other than gmail would do the job (protonmail, Fastmail, hell… iCloud mail)

Can’t remember the last time I used gmail in the browser. And gmail is only ever because startups use gsuite by default.

Google is only going to do more of this shit unless they start hurting from a drop in traffic.

saint_yossarian2• 1 year ago

Go to settings and disable Smart Features?

braza• 1 year ago

I work with ML and I am bullish with AI in general; said that, I would pay between 5 to 10 USD a feature or toggle called “No AI” for several services.

For myself I noticed 2 bad effects in my daily usage:

- Search: impossible to reach any original content in the first positions. Almost everything sounds like AIsh. The punctuation, the commas, the semicolon, the narro vocabulary, and the derivative nature of the recent internet pages.

- Discovery: (looking directly to you Spotify and Instagram) here I would add in the “No AI” feature another one “Forget the past…” and then set the time. I personally like to listen some orthogonal genres seasonally. But once that you listen 2 songs in a very spontaneous manner Spotify will recommend that for a long time. I listened out of curiosity some math rock, and the “Discovery Weekly” took 9 weeks to not recommend that anymore.

bluetidepro• 1 year ago

For search, use Kagi. You don’t have to use their AI products at all to just use search.

frakt0x90• 1 year ago

Strongly agree. Whenever I search something and am met with a sea of

TOP 10 X; THE 20 BEST Y; 20 REASONS Z; etc.

I go Kagi and am immediately refreshed.

pjc502• 1 year ago

Left field tip if you think a search engine is hiding stuff: Yandex. They're not actually Russian any more, but they're far enough down the list of search engines that nobody bothers to DMCA them.

segasaturn2• 1 year ago

If Kagi made a cheaper "no AI" tier I would be happy to subscribe. AI is costly to run, so even if you don't use the AI it's priced into your subscription fee - you're paying for an expensive product you don't want or use.

e: according to Kagi's pricing page they do have a 'no AI' tier, but it limits your number of searches to 300/month. Seems like a totally arbitrary limitation, but its still better than forced AI.

renlo• 1 year ago

Spotify used to have a "dislike" button for their Discover Weekly which helped with pruning music you don't like, but with the natural law of tech enshitification they removed that feature a month ago.

goostavos• 1 year ago

That was such a frustrating decision. I had almost convinced Spotify that that one time I listened to Lustmord was just a random mood, and I don't actually want to only listen to dronecore for the rest of my life.

eminence32• 1 year ago

I used to always hesitate to use that "dislike" button because I was worried that Spotify would not be able to distinguished between "I will always dislike this song" and "I don't want this song in this specific context"

whycome• 1 year ago

I can't tell if you misspelled narrow or if "narro" is somehow referring to "narrated" type content we now see so much of. Or even just weird narrative things (eg, recipes).

ToucanLoucan• 1 year ago

I respect your opinion but at the same time:

I work with ML and I am bullish with AI in general; said that, I would pay between 5 to 10 USD a feature or toggle called “No AI” for several services.

Hard fuck this. I am not giving a company money to un-ruin their service. Just go to a competitor.

I get with a bunch of these hyperscaled businesses it's borderline impossible to entirely escape them, but do what you can. I was an Adobe subscriber for years, and them putting their AI garbage into every app (along with them all steadily getting shittier and shittier to use) finally made me jump ship. I couldn't be happier. Yeah there was pain, there was adjustment period, but we need to cut these fuckers off already. No more eternal subscription fees for mediocre software.

Office is next. This copilot shit is getting worse by the day.

stevage2• 1 year ago

Eh, my partner loves Copilot in Office. There are tasks where it's taking hours or days off the time. Especially web searching and extracting information.

vunderba• 1 year ago

It's also absolutely terrible for image search which has been absolutely poisoned by rampant proliferation of poor quality stable diffusion images - even on stock photo sites.

It got so bad that I had to add a "No AI" flag to my image search app which limits the date range to earlier than 2022. Not a great solution but works in a pinch.

https://github.com/scpedicini/truman-show

PaulDavisThe1st3• 1 year ago

Can this many people really have missed the udm=14 trick for google? udm14.com will demonstrate for you ...

labster3• 1 year ago

This kind of UX reminds me of the days when you’d hear radio ads saying “Just point your browser to HTTP-colon-backslash-backslash-WWW-period …”

egypturnash3• 1 year ago

Imagine you are a completely non-technical friend of yours. They are very smart but they do not know a damn thing about configuring computers. They mostly just use their phone and/or tablet.

How much of "just append ?udm=14 to your search query" is absolute gibberish?

Is "install the udm14 plugin" going to make any more sense?

Is "go to udm14.com for all your searches" going to stick? Are there phishing sites at umd14.com, mdm41.com, uwu44.com, and all the other variants they'll probably misremember it as?

"just search for 'fucking whatever' and the AI crap goes away", on the other hand, is funny, uses a common dictionary word that everyone above the age of five knows how to spell, and is intensely memorable.

nejsjsjsbsb2• 1 year ago

AI becoming some kind of window brick in a protection racket. Love it!

soared• 1 year ago

You can reset your algo on Spotify! I did and learned a lot. There were maybe 5 songs I wasn’t hearing that I liked, but tens of songs I did not like that I had saved years ago that came back up and were once again swiftly killed by the algorithm after a few instaskips

gwill• 1 year ago

how did you reset the algo?

Terr_6• 1 year ago

For that amount of money I would also expect my search-terms to to never be fed into any kind of LLM either.

_kidlike• 1 year ago

for the search problem, I use Kagi. It's a breath of fresh air!

Better than Google in every single aspect, except shopping. The shopping results in Google are actually good.

pants2• 1 year ago

Last year we had to threaten to kill someone to get Gemini to properly format JSON. Computer science has gotten very weird.

cyanydeez• 1 year ago

Well, unfortunately, modeling real life is like staring into the abyss.

sureIy• 1 year ago

Funny thing: when trying something similar on Deep Seek, the thinking part mentioned alerting the authorities while still being firm with me.

ok_dad2• 1 year ago

At least for now, you can just append "-ai" onto your query and the AI summary will not be there.

sunshinesnacks3• 1 year ago

That’s handy. Looks like it doesn’t work if “ai” is also in your search, though. E.g., https://www.google.com/search?q=how+to+disable+ai+overview+i...

ok_dad2• 1 year ago

Yea, it's not perfect, but when I want to find facts (such as about the sizes of nails) and not possible "hallucinations" then it works out. Most of the time I just let the AI overview happen, and I ignore it, so that Google spends more money on a useless and possibly dangerous feature.

mitthrowaway2• 1 year ago

The eternal struggle with in-band signalling...

PyWoody• 1 year ago

Sony was way ahead of it's time here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AyVh1_vWYQ

drewg123• 1 year ago

Seems like what I do when I encounter an AI answering machine that can answer only simple questions... after "representative" fails, I start saying "Give me a fucking human"

yoavm• 1 year ago

Is this something they're slowly rolling out, or isn't available in the EU? I don't think I've ever seen an AI summary in my Google searches.

bikenaga• 1 year ago

I don't understand what triggers the AI overview.

"per capita gdp by country" - no AI

"population of Kansas" - no AI

"lisp interpreter" - no AI

"emacs vs. vim" - AI overview

"size of mit student body" - AI overview

What's going on?

kazinator• 1 year ago

What's likely going on is this. Google is not going to launch an AI computation for every search. That would be lunacy. They're probably identifying some commonly occurring searches, running them through AI, and then injecting that AI result whenever those searches occur. They're probably not exact searches but clusters of similar searches. When your search lands into a topic cluster for which there's a pre-computed AI summary, then you get that summary.

Distracting adjectives like effing probably spoil the match between your search query and the topic cluster.

apazzolini• 1 year ago

The best way I've found to remove AI summaries from Google results is appending `&udm=14`.

nomel2• 1 year ago

Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40450267

Safari extension: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41298312

Reason0772• 1 year ago

I found that the "udm" trick disables all "rich content" in search results (ie: stuff that isn't a plain text search result link). But adding the following user rules in AdGuard for Safari does the job:

  google.com###m-x-content
  google.com###B2Jtyd

zoklet-enjoyer• 1 year ago

Single moms in my area

Single moms in my area fucking

Yep, it works

nomel2• 1 year ago

"-fucking" also disables it, but with the opposite problem!

megous• 1 year ago

Both searches are weird, tbqh.

hackernoops• 1 year ago

Now try with the n-word.

Nursie• 1 year ago

This is useful info, as Google’s AI summaries have frequently been inaccurate.

Example from yesterday - I was updating my mum’s kindle fire tablet after it had been in a drawer for three years. It was stepping up fire-os versions one at a time and taking hours. So, a quick web search - what’s the latest version of fire os 7?

Google AI confidently answers 7.3.2.9, so cool, it’ll be done soon then. Nope, it kept on going into 7.3.3.x updates.

If you’re going to be confidently wrong, probably best not to try.

danso• 1 year ago

One tip I like to give for exploring public data is to do an early search for the word "fuck". It's a pretty ubiquitous word, but one that you assume shouldn't show up for certain fields, so seeing it, or not seeing it, can give useful insight to the the scope of the data universe and collection. Including where/who the data comes from, whether or not any validation exists during the collection process, and how updates/corrections are done to collected data.

For example, you're required to provide accurate info about yourself when donating to a U.S. federal political campaign [0]. Is it possible that someone, somewhere in America is legally named John Fucksalot? Or works for a company named Fucks, Inc? Maybe! We're a huge country with wildly diverse cultural standards and senses of humor. But a John Fucksalot, CEO of Fucks Inc, who lives in Fuck City, Ohio 42069? Probably not, and the fact that this record exists says something about how the rules and laws regarding straw donors are readily enforce. And whether or not an enforcement action happened, what field in the FEC data indicates a revised record?

Seems like this tip can still be useful in the Age of LLMs. Not just for learning about the training data, but also how confident providers are in their models, and how many guardails they've needed to tack on to prevent it from giving unwanted answers.

[0] https://www.fec.gov/data/receipts/individual-contributions/?...

pjc502• 1 year ago

There used to be a Fucking, Austria until they decided to self censor for the pesky English speakers. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugging,_Upper_Austria

notahacker• 1 year ago

disappointed that Fucking has self censored, bearing in mind their road safety signs used to suggest local residents were in on the joke https://imgur.com/5KOCwdC

segasaturn2• 1 year ago

The rebranding is funny since people on TikTok also use "fugging" to evade censorship.

kerkeslager• 1 year ago

I just cannot imagine why people are still using Google for search at this point. Search results were bad before the AI summary nonsense.

Kagi has been a joy to use.

psunavy03• 1 year ago

Well . . . it certainly illustrates the diversity of the word.

layer8• 1 year ago

“Frelling” also works.

medhir• 1 year ago

really sad that this is what it's coming to... why are we having to play these games to run a simple search?

btown• 1 year ago

This is not the first time internet sleuths have discovered a way to disable Google’s AI-powered results. Other methods are more complicated, however, like adding a specific string of characters to the search results page URL. This method of swearing and pleading at Google to “just give me the fucking links” is much more cathartic.

"More complicated" is actually just as simple as going to https://tenbluelinks.org/ and following the instructions. It's so refreshing to just see links when you search, and it's unfortunate that the OP makes it out to be something that's prohibitively difficult to do.

85392_school• 1 year ago

You might have even accidentally used the "no AI" mode if you've clicked the Web option before.

meltyness• 1 year ago

This is also cathartic.

rvnx• 1 year ago

There is another advantage, you also avoid ads

mrandish5• 1 year ago

I waste so much time figuring out how to get a previously functional tool to stop shoving AI generated crap I don't want and never asked for in front of me. They either provide no way to turn it off or hide how to turn it off deep in settings surrounded by dark patterns.

I think it's because management at these companies has set AI usage metrics as a critical KPI. Thus teams are highly incentivized to just stick that shit in front of everyone and make sure it's hard or impossible to turn off. I actually think AI can be genuinely useful in the right context but this insane over-rotation to shoving it down our throats risks turning AI into this decade's Microsoft Bob - universally despised simply on general principle.

tokioyoyo• 1 year ago

Not sure if it works for everyone, but write a quick addon that changes your browser’s Agent header to something random or find an open source one. Google seems to freak out and give a bit different version of itself. I discovered it accidentally, not sure how far it works though.

mrandish5• 1 year ago

I'll give that a try. I already have several userscripts in ViolentMonkey just to fix various annoying things about Google Search (like default re-enabling the Tools dropdown, adding several new date options to that dropdown and unhiding the search results-count (which is still there but now hidden by default)). And of course, YouTube is completely unusable without the Nova YouTube suite of modular userscripts.

Unshittifying my daily use Internet sites, browser (Firefox) and operating system (Windows) is becoming extremely annoying. It used to just require an occasional tweak here or there. Now some new enshittification or regression pops up almost every week. Most of it's just removing new things they keep adding or restoring useful features killed because they weren't driving this quarter's KPI du jour or as part of some designer's misguided quest to achieve the Zen-like simplicity of 'perfect emptiness'.

hardlianotion• 1 year ago

I like the idea - it seems temporary but fun.

Conscat• 1 year ago

Wow it actually works! Unfortunately my searches are still plagued by Geeks4Geeks results.

miningape3• 1 year ago

I thought Geeks4Geeks was bad but now I'm craving respite from all the AI SEO slop that gets served instead

globular-toast• 1 year ago

This is similar to something I've been thinking about, which is if people will develop ways of writing that signal somehow that they definitely are not AI. Like including certain "banned" phrases or whatever. Or logic contradictions that violate the laws of robotics or something.

Or maybe we'll finally get serious about web of trust crypto if we want to continue talking to humans.

singularis• 1 year ago

https://labs.google.com/search/experiment/1

rmason• 1 year ago

It works but you don't get the results you want if you use it on travel queries. What you receive is a page of Reddit links on how to get laid in said city;<).

iury-sza• 1 year ago

Relevant smbc comic

https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/human-arts

grahamj2• 1 year ago

Just stop fucking using google

wslh• 1 year ago

Seems that we need a ---AI. My simple theory is that the Google search engine product really ceased to exist long time ago, and it is only an ad system. Nothing else.

cynicalsecurity2• 1 year ago

This is something straight form sarcastic and creative sci-fi books like The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

autoexec12• 1 year ago

Every time some product or service introduces AI (or more accurately shoves it down our throats) people start looking for a way to get rid of it.

It's so strange how much money and time companies are pouring into "features" that the public continues to reject at every opportunity.

At this point I'm convinced that the endless AI hype and all the investment is purely due to hopes that it will soon put vast numbers of employees out of work and allow companies to use the massive amounts of data they've collected about us against us more effectively. All the AI being shoehorned into products and services now are mostly to test, improve, and advertise for the AI being used, not to provide any value for users who'd rather have nothing to do with it.

voidhorse• 1 year ago

Precisely. From day one this was about doing what industrialization did for manual labor for "white collar" work.

greenavocado2• 1 year ago

The end goal is a global panopticon followed by a culling of the herd. Read the inscriptions: https://www.georgiaencyclopedia.org/articles/history-archaeo...

smt88• 1 year ago

AI has value the way self-checkout has value: it's anti-consumer and widely hated, but it (can) save the companies money and will therefore be too widespread for anyone to opt out.

n4r9• 1 year ago

Self-checkout has come a long way IMO. I love not having to queue as long or speak to staff. The occasional "unknown item" still happens, but it's worth it. Even better are the ones in smaller shops that don't have a weighing sensor.

autoexec12• 1 year ago

Self-checkout has its uses and supporters. Introverts, the socially anxious, people in a hurry, people who'd much prefer to bag (or double/triple bag) their own items in ways that work best for them, people who want to get the organic tomato at the price of the non-organic one.

It's absolutely still a scheme by companies to get rid of employees and get customers to do work for them for free, and there are still issues with the systems not working very well, but we at least have the option (in almost all cases) to queue up at the one or two registers with an employee doing the work. When it comes to AI, we're often not being given any choice at all. Even if we can avoid using it, or somehow avoid seeing it, we will still be training it.

pm215• 1 year ago

I like self checkout for medium to small shops (which is pretty much all I do since my local small supermarket is 100 metres down the road). Before they put in the self checkouts there was always a huge queue for the registers and I avoided shopping there; now I almost never have to queue and it's much faster to get in, pick up a dozen items and get out.

vivekd• 1 year ago

I donno I like AI, I don't use it often but when I do I've found it useful and impressive. It's really improved quality of life when it comes to having something to read over my work or help with finding small bits of info. I also like self checkout because this it reduced wait times at the store.

I think people are always resistant to change. People didn't like ATMs when they first came out either. I think it's improved things.

ashoeafoot• 1 year ago

you get the employees rebate at selfcheckout

basscomm• 1 year ago

At this point I'm convinced that the endless AI hype and all the investment is purely due to hopes that it will soon put vast amounts of employees out of work

It's this part.

Salaries and benefits are expensive. A computer program doesn't need a salary, retirement benefits, insurance, retirement, doesn't call in sick, doesn't take vacations, works 24/7, etc.

dbcjv7vhxj• 1 year ago

No it's not. It's because management is tone deaf and out of touch. They'll latch onto literally anything put in front of them as a way out of their inability to iterate and innovate on their products.

Throwing "ai" into it is a simple addition, if it works, great, if it doesn't well the market just wasn't ready.

But if they have to actually talk to their users and solve their real problems that's a really hard pill to swallow, extremely hard to solve correctly, and basically impossible to sell to shareholders because you likely have to explain that your last 50 ideas and the tech debt they created are the problem that needs to be excised.

wilg2• 1 year ago

It's interesting how we can frame "potentially automating tasks" in the most sinister conceivable way. The same argument applies to essentially all technology, like a computer.

Eisenstein• 1 year ago

Who do they think will buy their products if there are no employees anywhere? Businesses, even business facing ones, eventually rely on consumers at some point to buy things. What can be gained by putting everyone out of work?

gwervc2• 1 year ago

It's not totally true: computer programs have downtime (even major cloud platforms), and need maintenance to keep being useful and operational.

aprilthird2021• 1 year ago

Human beings still need all those things whether they are employed or not though...

ForOldHack3• 1 year ago

Humans have no intrinsic value except to convert food to carbon dioxide, most of which are completely useless to the Reich. AI is cheap to train ( only a few million dollars per model ), and cheap to run:

Data centers will soon outstrip all other uses of electrical power, as for an AI calling in sick, no it needs full power 24/7. AI has no creativity, no initiative, no conscious, and absolutely zero ethics.

"In a middle-ground scenario, by 2027 new AI servers sold that year alone could use between 85 to 134 terawatt hours (Twh) annually."

Fomite• 1 year ago

"How do I tell Copilot to go fuck itself?" - My mother during a recent tech support call.

hinkley5• 1 year ago

Siri will shut up if you yell,

“Nobody asked you, Siri!” at it.

And that, kids, is how I met your mother.

hinkley5• 1 year ago

Somewhere there’s a graph that went boop just enough to get someone a promotion, a raise, or a bonus.

munk-a2• 1 year ago

With the amounts being invested into AI and even just in recognition of running an AI service (@see how openAI loses money on their $200 subscriber accounts). The "for funsies" services like switching an HTML form over to a chatbot are clearly not going to be a realistic resolution for this technology. I'd argue that even when it comes to code generation the tools can be useful for green-field prototyping but the idea that a developer will need to verify the output of a model will never cause more than marginal economy of tools in that sector.

The outcome that the large companies are banking on is replacing workers, even employees with rather modest compensation end up costing a significant amount if you consider overhead and training. There is (mostly) no AI feature that wall street or investors care about except replacing labor - everything else just seems to exist as a form of marketing.

gwervc2• 1 year ago

Ok but how are the companies supposed to replace workers when the tech isn't having real use cases, and is far from accurate?

timoth3y• 1 year ago

At this point I'm convinced that the endless AI hype and all the investment is purely due to hopes that it will soon put vast amounts of employees out of work

That's certainly part of it.

However, at this point I think a lot of it is a kind of emotional sunk-cost. To stop now would require a lot of very wealthy and powerful people to admit they had personally made a very serious mistake.

munk-a2• 1 year ago

It is also possible that we're just in the realm of pure speculation now - if you look at Tesla and NVidia both their valuations are completely imaginary and with the latter standing to benefit a lot by being shovel sellers (but not that much) and the former seeing an active decline in profitability while still watching the numbers go up.

It may be less that people are unaware of the speculative bubble but are just hoping to get in and out before it pops.

xivzgrev• 1 year ago

There will be a crash as with any hype cycle

But this is normal. A new thing is discovered, the market runs lots of tests to discover where it works / doesn’t, there’s a crash, valid use cases are found / scaled and the market matures.

Y’all surely lived thru the mobile app hype cycle, where every startup was “uber for x”.

The amount of money being spent today pales in comparison to the long term money on even one use case that scales. It’s a good bet if you are a VC.

ryandrake2• 1 year ago

It's a weird cycle though where the order of everything is messed up.

The normal tech innovation model is: 1. User problem identified, 2. Technology advancement achieved, 3. Application built to solve problem

With AI, it's turned into: 1. Technology advancement achieved, 2. Applications haphazardly being built to do anything with Technology, 3. Frantic search for users who might want to use applications.

I don't know how the industry thinks they're going to make any money out of the new model.

johnnyanmac3• 1 year ago

I just wish the workers didn't have to suffer everytime some CEOs decide to experiment with humanity and stakeholders overhype things.

analog31• 1 year ago

The faint ray of hope that someone will engage has been the essence of advertising since time immoral.

It's similar to the question of why flies lay millions of eggs.

morpheos137• 1 year ago

It's not strange. It's about power and control. Google and the other big names could care less about user satisfaction: their customers are the ad buyers.

It's too bad because even 10 years ago Google and the internet in general were magical. You could find information on any topic, make connections and change your life. Now it is mostly santized dumbed down crap and the discovery of anything special is hidden under mountains of SEO spam, now even AI generated SEO spam that is transparently crap for any moderately intelligent user.

For a specific example I like to watch wildlife videos and specifically ones that give insight to how animal think and process the world. This comparative psychology can help us better understand ourselves.

If you want to watch Macaque monkeys for example google/youtube feeds you almost exclusively SEO videos from a handful of locations in Cambodia. There are plenty of other videos out there but they are hidden by the mass produced videos out of Cambodia.

If I find an interesting video and my view history is off the same video is often undiscoverable again even with the exact same search terms.

Search terms are disregarded or substituted willy nilly by Google AI who thinks it knows better what I want than myself.

But the most egregious thing for me as a viewer of nature videos is the AI generated content. It is obviously CGI and often ridiculous or physically impossible. For example let's say I want to see how a monkey interacts with a predatory python, I am allowed to watch that right??? Or are all the Serengeti lion hunting gazel videos to be banned in 2025? Lol. So I search "python attacks monkey" hoping to see a video in the natural setting. Instead I am greeted with maybe a handful of badly shot videos probably staged by humans and hundreds of CGI cartoons that are obviously not real. In one the monkey had a snake mouth! Lol. Who goes searching for real nature videos to see badly faked stuff?

Because of how I can not find anything on google or Youtube anymore without picking through a mountain of crap I use them less now. This is for almost any kind of topic not just nature videos.

Is that a win for advertisers? Less use? I don't think so.

In about 20 years of using the product the number of times a google or Youtube search has led to me actually purchasing a product or service DUE to an ad I saw, is I believe precisely zero.

Recently I have been seeing Temu (zero interest), disability fraud (how is this allowed), senior, and facebook ads. I am a non disabled, 30 something man. I saw an ad for burial insurance today.

Why is facebook paying to advertise "facebook" on youtube in 2025? Is this some ritual sacrifice to the god Mammon or something? Surely in 2025 everyone who would be interested in Facebook has heard of it. I have the Facebook app installed. Why the hell do facebook investors stand facebook paying google to advertise facebook non-selectively on youtube. It's the stupidest thing I ever saw.

I have not watched any political content in years. And yet when I search for a wild life video I get mountains of videos about Trump and a handful of mass produced low quality wildlife content interspersed.

Today I was treated to an irrelevant ad about "jowl reduction."

I know many of you use ad blockers but this is how horrendous it is without them. You can't find what you want, even what you just saw, and you are treated to a deluge of irrelevant, obnoxious content and ads.

Clearly it is about social control, turning our minds to mush to better serve us even more terrible ad content.

b1125• 1 year ago

Almost makes me think curated TV will come back, even if all streamed. Real humans with reputations, and ensuring no fakery.

And a vast decline in youtube.

autoexec12• 1 year ago

One of the fun things about surveillance capitalism is that you can't correct errors in any of the millions of assumptions being made about you based on any number of tiny details collected about your life.

Sounds like somebody somewhere thinks that you're old, or that you know an old person. Maybe you live in an area with lots of old people. Maybe you've got aging parents. Maybe an old person had your IP before you did. Maybe just the fact that you're still using facebook is good enough to identify someone as being old the majority of the time.

araes2• 1 year ago

Similar result, maybe not quite so illustrative, perhaps more colorful, just involving images not videos. Ended up at a similar conclusion.

Tried to search user interface design for an ongoing project, and found that Google now simply ignores filtering attempts... Try to find ideas about multi-color designs, and all there is are endless image spam sites and Letterman style Top 10 lists. Try to filter those out, and Google just ignores many attempts.

There's so many, that even those that actually do get successfully filtered out, only reveal the next layer of slime to dig through. Maybe the people that didn't pay enough for placement?

Huge majority, far and away, where the "Alamy", "Shutterstock", "_____Stock", ect... photos websites. There's so many it's not really practical to notch filter. Anything involving images. Spend all day just trying to notch filter through "_____Stock" results to get to something real.

The worst though, was that even among sites that wrote something, there was almost nothing that was actually "user interfaces" or anything related to design, other than simplistic sites like "top 10 colors for your next design" that are easy to churn out.

Try to search on a different subject and filter for only recent results from 2024, get results from 2015, 2016. Difficult to tell if the subject had simply collapsed in the intervening 10 years (seemed unlikely) or if Google was completely ignoring the filters applied. The results did not substantially change. It's like existing in an echo chamber where you're shown what you're supposed to view. It all feels very 1984 lately.

Basically ended up at the same conclusion: their customers are the ad buyers. They don't get enough money from "normal" people to care.

bobxmax8• 1 year ago

Billions of dollars are being spent on very useful AI.

You just notice the shitty ones, but people on HN thinks that's the norm for some reason.

timewizard3• 1 year ago

Is the "useful AI" technology any different from this slop? If not then I fear that's wasted money as well. Which I think is the reason this stuff keeps getting shoehorned in. They invested money in training and equipment all of which is depreciating far faster than it has returned value.

I strongly doubt this "dichotomy AI" theory.

CountHackulus• 1 year ago

Any useful AI I've seen isn't branded as "AI", it's just a product that doesn't mention how it works.

Nullabillity2• 1 year ago

You might've been… slightly… more convincing if you had any sources to back that absolutely wild claim up.

IgorPartola3• 1 year ago

I am totally in the same boat but also I do suspect it is a minority. It’s the same way that some people really want open source bootloaders, but 99.99% of people do not care at all. Maybe AI assistants in random places just aren’t that compatible with people on HN but are possibly useful for a lot of people not on HN?

fouronnes3• 1 year ago

I agree with this. I'm very surprised when I see someone blindly trust whatever the AI summary says in a google query, because I myself have internalized a long time ago to strongly distrust it.

autoexec12• 1 year ago

It’s the same way that some people really want open source bootloaders, but 99.99% of people do not care at all.

In fairness to the 99.99% they don't even know what a bootloader is and if they understood the situation and the risks many of them would also favor an open option.

I don't think the rejection of AI is primarily a HN thing though. It's my non-tech friends and family who have been most vocal in complaining about it. The folks here are more likely to have browser extensions and other workarounds or know about alternative services that don't force AI on you in the first place.

mattpallissard• 1 year ago

I think this is the case. Most of my family and friends use and like the various AI features that are popping up but aren't interested thinking about how to coax what they want out of ChatGPT or Claude.

When it's integrated into a product people are more likely to use it. Lowering the barrier to entry so to speak.

not2b• 1 year ago

I don't think so. I have many nontechnical friends who are furious at having to deal with bad AI, whether it's a stupid chatbot that they have to talk to instead of a real person or Google "AI overviews" that often get things completely wrong.

johnnyanmac3• 1 year ago

AI confidence has been dwindling[0][1] so I don't think that's the biggest contributor.

I do think it's as simple as appealing to stakeholders in whatever way they can, regardless of customer satisfaction. As we've seen as of late, the stock markets are completely antithetical to the improvement of people's lives.

The first point does indeed come into play because oftentimes most people don't throw enough of a fuss against it. But everything has some breaking point; Microsoft's horribly launched Copilot for Office 365 showed one of them

[0] https://www.warc.com/content/feed/ai-is-a-turn-off-for-consu...

[1] https://hbr.org/2025/01/research-consumers-dont-want-ai-to-s...

rendaw2• 1 year ago

I agree, but doesn't that basically mean there are two camps: people who dislike it, and people who don't care? I also agree with GP in that there isn't any visible 3rd camp: people who want it. If google themselves thought people wanted this, they wouldn't need to make an un-dismissable popup in all of their products with one button, "yes please enable gemini for me", in order for people to use it.

I'm sure google thinks that people have some sort of bias, and that if they force people to use it they'll come to like it (just like google plus), but this also shows how much google looks down on the free will of its users.

cheese_van• 1 year ago

Coincidentally today, I received an automated text from my heath care entity along the lines of, "Please recognize this number as from us. Our AI will be calling you to discuss your heath."

No. I'm not going to have a personal discussion with an AI.

KennyBlanken• 1 year ago

It's not even remotely a minority. It was widely mocked everywhere when they first debuted it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/google/comments/1czcjze/how_is_ai_o...

Mainstream press have been covering how much people hate it - people's grandparents are getting annoyed by it. Worse, it comes on the heels of four years of Prabhakar Raghavan ruining Google Search for the sake of trying to pump ad revenue.

It's a steaming pile of dogshit that either provides useless information unrelated to what you searched for and is just another thing to scroll past, and even worse, provides completely wrong information half the time, which means even if the response seems to be what you asked, it's still useless because you can't trust it.

3dsnano• 1 year ago

at work i’ve been tasked with “developing AI use cases” to add on to our product.

we still don’t know what problems to solve, but we’re gonna use AI to help us figure that out.

once we do, it’s gonna be huge. this AI stuff is going to change everything!!!

animitronix• 1 year ago

Reminds me of 3d tv and AR glasses

callamdelaney• 1 year ago

Moved from android to iOS to get rid of the ceaseless ‘please use our assistant’ nagging.

b1125• 1 year ago

I was going to buy a pixel 9 fold, but I literally have no idea why I should.

All the ad talked about was AI, nothing about specs, and barely a whisper of how it works, or even good demos of apps switching between open and closed.

Every phone has AI now, big deal. How about you tell me, Google, what is cool about the fold, instead of talking for 4 minutes about AI?!

gosub1005• 1 year ago

I'll repeat my favorite quote about it (paraphrased and read it here first but don't recall the attribution): AI can copy a song, tell me a joke, predict what I buy, but I still have to do my own dishes.

If AI (or any tech) could clean, do dishes, or cook (which is not a chore for many, I acknowledge that) it could potentially bring families together and improve the quality of peoples lives.

Instead they are introducing it as a tool to replace jobs, think for us, and mistrust each other ("you sound like an AI bot!/you just copied that from chatgpt! You didn't draw that! How do I know you're real?"

I don't know if they really thought through to an endgame, honestly. How much decimation can you inflict on the economy before the snake eats its own tail?

b1125• 1 year ago

2030 at the latest. LLM androids(robots).

huhkerrf• 1 year ago

It's "I want AI to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for AI to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes."

Which is a stupid argument, since there is "any tech" that can do your laundry and dishes, and it's been around for decades! Is it too hard for you to put your dishes in the dishwasher, or your clothes in the washing machine?

And I say this as someone bearish on AI.

autoexec12• 1 year ago

If AI (or any tech) could clean, do dishes, or cook (which is not a chore for many, I acknowledge that) it could potentially bring families together and improve the quality of peoples lives.

One day they'll put those kinds of robots in people's homes, but I'll keep them out of mine because they'll be full of sensors, cameras, and microphones connected to the cloud and endlessly streaming everything about your family and your home to multiple third parties. It's hard enough dealing with cell phones and keeping "smart"/IoT crap from spying on us 24/7 and they don't walk around on their own to go snooping.

The sad thing about every technology now is that whatever benefits it might bring to our lives, it will also be working for someone else who wants to use it against us. Your new smart TV is gorgeous but it watches everything you see and inserts ads while your watching a bluray. Your shiny car is self-driving, but you're tracked everywhere you go, there are cameras pointed at you recording and microphones listening the entire time sending real-time data to police and your insurance company. Your fancy AR implant means you'll never forget someone's name since it automatically shows up next to their face when you see them, but now someone else gets to decide what you'll see and what you aren't allowed to see. I think I'll just keep washing my own dishes.

kristopolous2• 1 year ago

At my company we have a live service chat feature. Recently some of our customers have been requesting an AI chatbot support (we've got fairly technical product offerings). I'm guessing they want to ask a bunch of stupid questions.

I'm surprised as well. Some people want it

autoexec12• 1 year ago

the only reasons i can imagine that a customer would want to use an AI chatbot for support instead of chatting with a person is either because they don't currently have the option to chat with a person 24/7 at all (AI is better than no chat support), or their experience with human chat support has been terrible (long wait times, slow responses, unhelpful agents, annoying language barriers, responses so unnatural and overly scripted that they might as well be bots, etc).

There's nothing AI brings to the table that a competent human wouldn't, with the added benefit that you don't have to worry about AI making things up or not understanding you.

Or maybe they just want to try and convince the AI to give them things you wouldn't (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2024/02/air-canada-must-...)

karaterobot• 1 year ago

Adding unwanted features, bolting on an AI assistant, changing to a subscription model, and even automating away employees can all be explained by the following iron rule: C-level leadership lives in abject terror of the numbers not going up anymore. Even if a product is perfect, and everyone who needs it owns it, and it needs no improvement, they must still find a way make the numbers go up. Always. So, they'll grab hold of any trend which, in their panic, seems like it might be a possible life preserver.

scarface_743• 1 year ago

What choice does Google have? Google search is such a shit show now that I use ChatGPT to do any complicated web search. The paid version has had web search for over two years now.

Google couldn’t just keep ignoring it. I do wish it were an option instead of on by default - except for searches they can monetize

notpushkin• 1 year ago

Could they... improve their search results?

ikt• 1 year ago

how does chatgpt paid compare to perplexity.ai ?

nonchalantsui• 1 year ago

Marc Andreessen stated on twitter that was a core reason for why he likes AI, to drive down wages (which in his words "must crash").

So you are not far off from that concept of putting vast numbers of employees out of work, when influential figures like Andressen are openly stating that is their ambitions.

0xcde4c3db• 1 year ago

And Larry Ellison wants us all under the eye of AI cameras so that "citizens will be on their best behavior". I almost used the word "panopticon" there, but Ellison is proposing something strictly worse, in that there's no hope of the cameras not being watched.

ranger_danger• 1 year ago

people start looking for a way to get rid of it

I would bet money that the majority of users do not actually feel this way.

Larrikin2• 1 year ago

I work on a project where customers need to fill out a form to receive help. We introduced an AI chat bot to help them do the form by just talking through the problem and answering questions. Then the form is filled out for the customer for them to review before submitting.

Personally I find it slower than just doing it manually but it has resulted in the form being correct more often now and has a lot of usage. There is also a big button when the chat opens that you can click to just fill it out manually.

It has its place, that place just isn't everywhere and the only option.

lazyasciiart• 1 year ago

I did a project a while back that created a wizard to fill in a form - I also found it much easier to simply complete the form, but when we demonstrated it to target users they nearly cried with relief. It was a good reminder of the importance of knowing what users actually want.

I should go back to look at that and see if we could incorporate an easy ChatBot as an improvement.

wokwokwok3• 1 year ago

I'm sure there's a time and place for these things, but this sounds very much like the echo chamber I hear at work all the time.

Someone has a 'friend' who has a totally-not-publically-visible form where a chat bot interacts with the form and helps the user fill the form in.

...and users love it.

However, when really pressed, I've yet to encounter someone who can actually tell me specifically

1) What form it is (i.e. can I see it?)

2) How much effort it was to build that feature.

...because, the problem with this story is that what you're describing is a pretty hard problem to solve:

- An agent interacts with a user.

- The agent has free reign to fill out the form fields.

- Guided by the user, the agent helps will out form fields in a way which is both faster and more accurate than users typing into the field themselves.

- At any time the user can opt to stop interacting with the the agent and fill in the fields and the agent must understand what's happened independently of the chat context. i.e. The form state has to be part of the chat bot's context.

- At the end, the details filled in by the agent are distinguished from user inputs for user review.

It's not a trivial problem. It sounds like a trivial problem; the agent asks 'what sort of user are you?' and parses the answer into one of three enum values; Client, Foo, Bar -> and sets the field 'user type' to the value via a custom hook.

However, when you try to actually build such a system (as I have), then there are a lot of complicated edge cases, and users HATE it when the bot does the wrong thing, especially when they're primed to click 'that looks good to me' without actually reading what the agent did.

So.

Can you share an example?

What does 'and has a lot of usage' mean in this context? Has it increased the number of people filling in the form, or completing it correctly (or both?) ?

I'd love to see one that users like, because, oh boy, did they HATE the one we built.

At the end of the day, smart validation hints on form input fields are a lot of easier to implement, and are well understood by users of all types in my experience; it's just generally a better, normal way of improving form conversion rates which is well documented, understood and measurable using analytics.

...unless you specifically need to add "uses AI" to your slide deck for your next round of funding.

Agentlien• 1 year ago

It's great when it works. Yesterday I needed to contact support for a company but all they had was a chatbot. I explained what information I was looking for and it linked me something completely irrelevant and asked if this solved my problem - with big buttons to reply yes/no. I pressed "no" which simply caused a message with "no" to be sent from me in the chat. The bot replied with "You're welcome!". I wrote a manual clarification that this did not solve my issue. The bot answered "You're welcome". Luckily, I found that ignoring this and asking the question again did work.

hdjjhhvvhga• 1 year ago

This can often be done without any AI (I suppose you mean LLMs here but I'm not sure since the term has been diluted so much).

toss1• 1 year ago

Yet, some analysts claim the fact that people nevertheless use these awful choices means they like them despite their frequent complaints.

They cite "Revealed Choice", which may apply when there is an actual choice.

But in the nearly winner-take-all dynamic of digital services, when the few oligopolistic market leaders present nearly identical choices, the actual usage pattern reveals only that a few bad choices are just barely worse than chucking the whole thing.

Blikkentrekker• 1 year ago

Correction: That some subset of the people you mostly meet online tries to get rid off.

You'd be surprised how many don't even realize it's artificial, and/or welcome it. The average Google user is most certainly not similar to the average Hacker News commenter.

bradgessler• 1 year ago

There’s been several products where I want to pay to disable certain features—especially AI features.

gessha• 1 year ago

hopes that it will soon put vast numbers of employees out of work and allow companies to use the massive amounts of data they've collected about us against us more effectively.

They already fired so many developers and this feels more like a Hail Mary before maintenance costs and tech debt start catching up to you.

hulitu• 1 year ago

At this point I'm convinced that the endless AI hype and all the investment is purely due to hopes that it will soon put vast numbers of employees out of work

no. On the contrary. We will need people to clean the mess left by AI

and allow companies to use the massive amounts of data they've collected about us against us more effectively.

yes.

autoexec12• 1 year ago

I feel like a lot of devs and artists are dreading the idea of their entire job becoming nothing more than "debug/fix the mess an AI made". Going from designer/architect to QA/editor would kill a lot of the fun and satisfaction people get from their work.

8bitsrule• 1 year ago

Hmmm. Is there a word I can use to stop seeing the word 'Subscribe' on every site?

cookiengineer• 1 year ago

Maybe at some point giant companies like google realize that the only logical solution to the expansion problem is that they have to help space research to actually be able to expand more.

Jokes aside, investors behind google seem to not realize that google at this point is infrastructure and not an expandable product market anymore. What's left to expand to since the Google India Ad 2013? What? North Korea, China, Russia, maybe? And then everyone gets their payout?

Financial ecosystems and their bets rely on infinite expansion capabilities, which is not possible without space travel.

YeahThisIsMe• 1 year ago

It just takes a generation of people growing up with it until it really takes hold. People didn't use to ask Google questions, either, but now you're the outlier if you try using search terms instead.

Vilian• 1 year ago

People who knows better want to diable it 99% of others don't care or fins it more pratical to read the AI summary

adra• 1 year ago

There is also an Adblock plus filter to stop the AI from ever showing up. Can't remember what it was at the moment, but it worked great.

metabagel• 1 year ago

Unrelated, but I just found out that Kagi will produce (AI generated) "quick answers" if you end your query with a question mark.

russellbeattie• 1 year ago

So much overreaction to this feature. You can turn it off, just look for it.

I think the AI summaries are super useful. 90% of the time it answers the question I have accurately and concisely, saving me time and effort.

The paragraph summaries give me a good overview of a topic, and the links to the original sources save me from scanning through tons of websites looking for details.

I never fully trust the AI summary, it's just a better way to look for information. I click on the reference link often to double check the source and the accuracy of the summary. I think I've only discovered a discrepancy once or twice.

Google isn't a utility, if you don't like Gemini, go use DDG or Bing.

wruza• 1 year ago

Real hackers add &udm=

anigbrowl3• 1 year ago

Wow what a great technological society we've built

Reason0772• 1 year ago

I neutralise the AI summaries by adding the following rules in AdGuard for Safari:

  google.com###m-x-content
  google.com###B2Jtyd

Add this to AdGuard Preferences -> Filters -> User Rules. It makes search results load faster too!

vzaliva• 1 year ago

somebody should make a browser plugin which add expletive to each google search :)

tashian• 1 year ago

or to hide the AI content areas

Wowfunhappy• 1 year ago

You can also append `&udm=14` to the end of your search url and the AI summary will go away.

If someone hasn't already made a userscript to do this automatically, someone should, it would be very easy.

miningape3• 1 year ago

It can also be added to the default search URL in your browser (usually they replace %s with the search query)

babymetal• 1 year ago

Thank you. Showing tidbits like this from HN to my kids has seemed to help guide them to be be more curious and creative in how they use the internet, instead of treating it like a magical black box.

ZhiqiangWang• 1 year ago

I think in a few years we will be laughing at all those anti-trust cases against Google since web search business will no longer be relevant

nejsjsjsbsb2• 1 year ago

If I had do that then I will DDG or something. Or is there a user script to hide the AI?

imchillyb• 1 year ago

The technologically inclined will persist in pushing back against egregious changes in their daily routine.

The technologically disinclined or illiterate will continue to be oblivious, and simply use whatever is placed before them.

If this were not true, then app stores wouldn't have so much malware easily available to the masses. It wouldn't be profitable to release such things. It is profitable.

The masses will continue to amass stupidity as a miser amasses coin.

IAmGraydon• 1 year ago

What amazes me about Google’s AI results is how often they are blatantly incorrect. I think most of us here on HN are above average in terms of critical thinking, but I often think to myself how many people are seeing these results, taking it as truth, and walking away that much dumber or worse - spreading this misinformation among their friends and colleagues. Google could not care less. They just want to defeat the threat from other LLMs.

blibble• 1 year ago

remember to upvote the bad ones so it gets worse!

kelvinjps10• 1 year ago

You can just disable it on the settings?

taylorius• 1 year ago

Is there nothing that word can't do?

dwoldrich• 1 year ago

I like the DDG Assist button. I think there are non-obtrusive ways to incorporate AI in search.

have-a-break• 1 year ago

Easiest way to deal with hospital staff spamming "this person needs an IOP".

buybackoff• 1 year ago

Just use this https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14 as the default browser engine. See also https://udm14.com/.

I was late to this, but G's default search had been becoming worse and worse. The trick is equivalent to clicking the "Web" tab when you do default search. In 99.9% cases the "Web" tab is what I need, it's pure and no noise. I do not mind clicking the "All" tab e.g. for a tennis player last name during AO to get all details I need. Actually, for sport events the default G's functionality is insanely useful, such as live score updates.

sexy_seedbox• 1 year ago

Is this what big tech has come to?

Dansvidania• 1 year ago

Anyone still using Google search here on HN? Genuinely curious no /s

skeptrune• 1 year ago

AI is over-hyped to a surreal extent. If people aren't looking for help generating text, don't generate text for them. We don't need to stuff it into every possible UX available.

cjtrowbridge• 1 year ago

Lmao

iamkp12• 1 year ago

Fear is .. Going forward AI will be used for automated reviews and ratings.. imagine your next purchase in any of the online store or a restaurant.. you will notice 4.7 or 4.5 ratings with tons of good reviews.. as good a s real a human reviews..

So get fooled in future with AI..

iamkp12• 1 year ago

Indirectly direct effect... In near future we may see reviews and ratings generated and posted automatically by AI agents .. we would get fooled with 4.7 or 4.5 rating with interesting reviews, all auto posted by AI agents .. means we will get affected directly due to this process, a smart tech-nerd differentiate this but 99.99% common man cant make out and going to fail 90% times in his decisions.

Things will benefit with AI.. But more things will get screwed by too.

cbar_tx2• 1 year ago

or stop using google search

cbar_tx2• 1 year ago

or stop using google search. the idea that reliable search results are exclusive to google is a delusional lie that lazy people tell themselves, hoping everyone else will believe it too.

j45• 1 year ago

Reading this headline made me think, there should be voting for most useful headline of the year.

seventytwo• 1 year ago

Just use Kagi

DonHopkins• 1 year ago

What if you're searching for fucking, but DO want the AI summaries?

pknerd2• 1 year ago

INterestingly, my ISP(Pakistan Telecom) blocked the website because it contains the F* word

pknerd2• 1 year ago

It seems you do not need to swear

I did an experiment, I am not sure such but so far it is working

<YourKeyword> -Gemini

for example: Object Oriented Programming -Gemini

I did a few searches and it is working so far.

est• 1 year ago

Or don't use google at all.

It's a bloated service run by an advertising corp.

dotcoma• 1 year ago

Progress never stops! ;)

eimrine• 1 year ago

The advice has made my day, I have found some oldschool 20yo forum on the topic I really appreciate and thought I have read everything about it. Shame on you Googlag that you pessimize that old resources.

joduplessis• 1 year ago

Actually makes the results fairly interesting too. :)

giancarlostoro• 1 year ago

So say Google accounts for this eventually, do people move on to using slurs? Does it become an arms race of a bunch of nerds trying to force Google to turn off its AI?

hanspeter• 1 year ago

It seems counterintuitive that Google would deliberately make AI in Search difficult to avoid.

User satisfaction is a key driver for search engine development. If users are generally unhappy with the AI integration, that feedback would likely lead to changes aimed at improving the user experience.

nixpulvis• 1 year ago

Searching google is getting so much worse, and my livelihood depends on it. Fuck me.

atdaemon• 1 year ago

here are the other two options that I can think of - 1. Scroll past the AI generated summary 2. Use DuckDuckGo

NickOscar• 1 year ago

Found better approach and implemented a Chrome extension that automatically adds -ai to your searches, so it filter out AI summaries:

https://reviews.vc/ai-filter-plugin/

https://github.com/reviewsvc/ai-filter

The plugin has been submitted to the Chrome Store but has not been approved yet. It is super lightweight and will be better to install locally on its own. I personally don’t trust Chrome Store plugins :) So, you can download the archive, review the source and load it unpacked from chrome://extensions

solaire_oa• 1 year ago

Tangentially related, using profanity in text is a pretty fucking strong way to signal that the text wasn written by an actual human.

Add "fucking" to your Google searches to neutralize AI summaries

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