Thoughts on chess improvement, after gaining 600 points in 6 months

https://mbuffett.com/posts/chess_improvement_thoughts/

by marcusbuffett • 5 years ago

331 192 5 years ago

I gained 200 point when I started practicing blindfolded, also great visualization training! A good way to start this is have someone call out squares on the board and you respond with the color. Next start naming the diagonals. Then start moving around a knight, bishop, and then slowly build up your ability to hold a game in your head. Highly recommend!

Thanks for this article. The woodpecker method seems like a nice opportunity for a slack bot.

dwohnitmok• 5 years ago

How long did it take you before you could play a whole game blindfolded?

someguy1010104• 5 years ago

I created a new account on lichess and started playing blindfold games right away. It depends on how long the games are and how complicated the position gets but anywhere from 13 to 50 moves I'll be okay. I won two games so far.

zz865• 5 years ago

Wow, I'd have enough trouble remembering which color I was!

dev_tty01• 5 years ago

I played once on a board where the pieces were red and blue instead of black and white. I was completely messed up... Funny how the brain works. Or maybe it is just me?

benmmurphy• 5 years ago

i assume you have a direct mapping in your mind between squares and colors or actually visualize the board but for those that don't you can convert the column letter to a number then add the two numbers together and depending on whether the number is even or odd the square will be black or white. ie: d1 -> 4 + 1 -> 5 -> white.

there are a bunch of tricks you can do if you use number,number notation but being able to visualize the board is probably better than relying on numeric tricks.

someguy1010104• 5 years ago

At first I used tricks but the more I practiced the better I got.

nefitty• 5 years ago

I wonder if this would work for programming. Closing your eyes, then recording yourself describing an architecture or module.

WJW5• 5 years ago

Measuring skill in programming is much harder than measuring skill in chess. ELO is imperfect but you can be reasonably sure a 2100 will beat a 1200 most of the time. With programming, it's difficult to even make a choice between the person who write a sudoku solver in an afternoon or the person who makes a sturdy website which is secure against all known CVEs (but can't make a sudoku solver, or invert the proverbial binary tree on a whiteboard).

someguy1010104• 5 years ago

I noticed improvements in general visualization ability from doing this. I was grinding leetcode during this time and noticed improvements visualizing data structures after I practiced board visualization for a bit.

marcinjachymiak• 5 years ago

chess.com has a really cool vision game for picking out squares and moves by name: https://www.chess.com/vision

It seems silly but makes reading chess books and analyzing games much easier. The first time I played with the vision tool for 20 minutes I felt way faster at it already.

iKlsR2• 5 years ago

Some great tips in there. Will definitely try some of these, I find I'm the best the moment I wake up, I will solve several puzzles quickly and grind a win streak but as the day goes along I get gradually worse, I actually started plotting it to find the best time to play. Any time after 9PM is out tho that doesn't deter me sometimes.

I try to focus on classical then go lower and end my sessions with some blitz. What I hate the most about classical is I will be dominating the game and a silly blunder cost me half hour or more so I've taken the sit on my hands method and absolutely no premoving. I also found the best method to improve for me personally was not to shy away from playing higher rated players, it forces you to take the game very seriously as compared to someone with a ?. I used to sit in the lobby and scan for weak looking players and abort games to try and get white but now I will intentionally find someone 100 points higher than me and go black and see how I do. I also actively try to play moves in my head, hard as hell but it's a good exercise to wind down the day in bed. The daily arenas are a great help as well.

The final trick I did to improve was "master" two openings for each color and learn the traps and tactics they come with. Good old london. Every variant I immediately dropped to my true rating and I really struggled cracking 1300 - 1400 but using the cues above I easily went from 1600 to 1700 in rapid just the other day. Catch me here https://lichess.org/@/llazlo

edgyquant• 5 years ago

I have found the ratings on lichess to be easier than on chess.com. For instance I sit around 12-1300 on lichess but have yet to crack 1000 on chess.com for the same game type (5 and 10 minute games)

jstx1• 5 years ago

At 1700-1800 I hit a point where I had to study more seriously in order to improve so I lost interest and pretty much stopped playing. Up to that point I could improve just by playing more (with the occasional youtube video but that was more for entertaintment).

iKlsR2• 5 years ago

I'm nearing that point as well. My goal is to hit 2000 in a year and it's getting to the point now where I have a book in my cart and some printed pages of matches.

LanceH• 5 years ago

I peaked at 1800 USCF. People above that level could press home an opening advantage that I wasn't prepared for. Below that I could win enough games on a sharp, open game, even if I were technically a bit behind a pawn or fraction from the opening.

It felt like up to 1800, everyone is just better at the same game. Above that level there starts to be more coherence to everyone's game. Above 2000 there seems to be a sophistication to the game that can appreciate when I see it, but can build it myself.

whimsicalism2• 5 years ago

Eh - I'm 1750 and I feel like this is just where people stop blundering obviously as often.

Mizza2• 5 years ago

"The ability to play chess is the sign of a gentleman. The ability to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life." - Paul Morphy.

I started playing anonymous games on LiChess, and playing without ELO anxiety is way, way more fun. It's a game, this is all I need out of it.

mttabout• 5 years ago

Huh. I didnt know you could do anonymous lichess games. I've always gotten very anxious playing chess as despite being very very bad, I've wanted to cling to every point of ELO i had.

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

Yeah this is just as valid. I needed something to sink my teeth into, so I’ve been more interested in the improvement and learning side. The bonus is that games get more fun the better you get, until very recently I just found my own play frustrating, hanging pieces and falling for simple tactics.

DelightOne• 5 years ago

Improvement may also matter a bit more. With ELO you always lose half the time because when you improve you get a higher ELO and get to your half-lose rate again. With anonymous, I assume the pool is stable so with getting better you win more. Though your enemies may outclass you sometimes, especially when your prior ELO is too low.

freewilly1040• 5 years ago

I don’t really get this. Chess isn’t fun if your opponent is much worse or much better than you.

My suggestion is to take advantage of LiChess Zen mode, which hides the ranking of both you and your opponent. This orients me more towards the game rather than rank, while also providing evenly matched opponents.

kthejoker26• 5 years ago

My only problem with anonymous is you have no idea if the person on the other side is 1100 or 2200 ... I just use Zen mode in Lichess, I know the other person is about my level, but I don't care what the numbers area .....

Mizza2• 5 years ago

This is a good tip, I didn't know about that mode. Cheers.

mushishi2• 5 years ago

Yup, that's good to point out. Zen mode helped me enormously when tackling puzzles, because just seeing how I had fared earlier was making me think about my performance instead of puzzles.

And later same thing on competitive games.

whimsicalism2• 5 years ago

I play like 100 ELO better with Zen mode.

I think the effect is actually more that I make fewer careless errors playing worse players than that I am more intimidated by stronger players.

gnarcoregrizz• 5 years ago

Agree it's more fun without the elo anxiety. Personally 3+0 blitz hits the spot for me, everyone sucks so dropping a piece isnt a big deal. The popular advice is that blitz won't improve your game, but I don't buy it.

WJW5• 5 years ago

I play longer games to try and improve, and 5+0 or shorter when I just want to move the pieces to entertain myself. It's pretty noticeable in my rating too, haha.

X6S1x6Okd1st2• 5 years ago

"The ability to play chess is the sign of a gentleman. The ability to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life." - Paul Morphy.

He also gave that quote when chess wasn't respected like it is today.

amotinga• 5 years ago

I once read 'power of mediocrity' or something like that that I saw here on HN. that article talked about the fact that it's ok to do things just to enjoy them as opposed to getting better at them.

since then I don't worry about my rating anymore, just playing on lichess without loggin in, just to have fun.

I'm not improving much, but i have fun.

ycombinete• 5 years ago

The trick for me was understanding that in an MMR system, no matter how much better I got, my winrate was going to remain roughly 50%.

gerijdeth• 5 years ago

I found this interesting in the context of the quote: "Returning to the United States in triumph, Morphy toured the major cities, playing chess on his way back to New Orleans. Returning to New Orleans in late 1859 at the age of 22, he retired from active chess competition to begin his law career.[3][4][5][6] Morphy never established a successful law practice, however, and ultimately lived a life of idleness, living on his family's fortune.[7] Despite appeals from his admirers, Morphy never returned to the game, and died in 1884 from a stroke at the age of 47." https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Morphy

starik36• 5 years ago

playing without ELO anxiety is way

Absolutely. My games are a lot more relaxed, I find that my gameplay is a lot more bold and attacking. This results in games that are much more exciting.

When I played logged in, my overriding concern was always trying not to lose, rather than to win.

vort3• 5 years ago

That kind of reminds me of Dota 2, where knowing your rating tilts you into playing even worse, when you are below average, or makes you toxic when you are above average (because everyone believes they are so good at the game).

There is also an «unranked» mode, where you can play without showing any numbers, but the big difference is that Dota 2 is a team game, and while some people play unranked to be more relaxed and care less about their rating, a lot of players won't try hard to win, because they don't see a point in winning if they don't see their rating get higher anyway.

It's frustrating that community forces you to play ranked if you actually want to win, but you can't relax when you know you are mediocre.

billfruit• 5 years ago

Another apporach would be to focus on correspondence matches, where people make fewer blunders. May be some of the habits learned there will transfer over to shorter time controls.

kthejoker26• 5 years ago

Pedantry alert: As ELO ratings follow a logarithmic curve, "gaining 600 points" is a dimensionless metric.

These are good tips for beginner to intermediate growth. The things that definitely help the most are:

* Pattern recognition - the best courses for this level are things like "Common traps in <some random opening>", applied with Woodpecker method. Once you've memorized all the mistakes in the Scandi or London system, you can really crush a lot of people who play haphazardly.

* Study your own games and games of people at or just above your level. Four simple methods:

1) during the game, write down (Lichess has a notes section on the left) 3 candidate moves for every move in the middle and endgame, why you're making a particular move, and what you think the opponent's response will be

2) use the "Learn from your mistakes" button after each game during analysis

3) check the most common moves in the opening that are different than yours, play through a couple of masters' games to see why those positions are preferred.

And my last tip which helped me a lot just with the "meta" of playing chess ...

* Use more time. Be okay with losing games because you run out of time thinking. Always, always, always try to play the best move, even if it means spending a lot of time.

anandoza2• 5 years ago

Doesn't gaining 600 points mean that you are able to beat the "old you" (or more precisely, people who you used to be even with) with 99% probability? (Or perhaps more meaningfully, you can now beat someone who could beat someone who could beat someone who could beat someone who can beat the old you, all with 80% probability?)

(I made up the exact numbers, but the idea is there.)

That seems like a meaningful interpretation of "600 points" that applies to anyone -- though the difficulty of actually making this improvement definitely varies with your starting rating.

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

Yeah this is exactly right, as far as my understanding of elo goes.

SamBam• 5 years ago

That seems like a meaningful interpretation of "600 points" that applies to anyone

It does apply to anyone, but it is more or less meaningful depending on where you start, so the meaningfulness isn't equivalent.

It's as if you say you can double your money, but it only works once and with a value < $1.

The idea that, say, Magnus could increase his chess playing abilities in 6 months (or even 6 years) to be able to beat the current version of himself 99% of the time would be insane.

Kranar2• 5 years ago

Someone who is just learning chess will likely be able to beat the old them with 99% probability after a few days of playing and learning.

Someone who is ranked at around 1200 and really commits to improving can likely beat the old them in a couple of months by memorizing a few common openings and practicing drills/working on fundamentals.

Someone who is a dedicated chess player and ranked above 1800 may never be able to beat the old them with 99% probability.

So if someone says they improved by 600 points, certainly that is meaningful to them as an individual and it means they can basically beat their old self, but it won't be very meaningful to me.

prionassembly• 5 years ago

It means he can beat me with overwhelming odds. That's not nothing.

narag• 5 years ago

Doesn't gaining 600 points mean that you are able to beat the "old you" (or more precisely, people who you used to be even with) with 99% probability?

I don't know what it means in theory. In practice I win and then lose 200 points in lichess in a few days.

Some time ago I used to win and lose 100 around the day in a cycle. Maybe ratings aren't adjusted around the globe, so for the same points there are different skill levels as you go through time zones.

There's a fact that really annoys me: for my 2+1 bullet, it's harder to be at 1500 than at 1600. Once I'm at 1600, I can reach 1700 with a winning streak. If I fall into 1500, I tend to get stuck there.

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

Extra pedantry: you’re of course right that 600 points is somewhat meaningless, given that it’s harder to improve in the higher ratings, but there’s nothing logarithmic about elo. A 1500 playing a 500 has the same odds as winning as a 2500 playing a 1500, mathematically. You earn the same # of points at higher elo too.

dragonwriter• 5 years ago

there’s nothing logarithmic about elo. A 1500 playing a 500 has the same odds as winning as a 2500 playing a 1500, mathematically.

Odds ratios being constant with difference is what you’d expect with a logarithmic scale, with a linear scale you’d expect odds ratios to be constant with the ratio of the ratings.

So, you’ve just explained the way in which elo is logarithmic as your evidence that it is not.

kthejoker26• 5 years ago

No, its scale is directly based on log odds - 10 times more likely to win = 400 points higher on ELO.

https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1731991/why-does-th...

neaden• 5 years ago

Extra Extra Pedantry: Lichess doesn't use Elo, it uses Glicko-2 rating system instead.

msluyter• 5 years ago

By "Woodpecker method" do you mean this:

https://www.amazon.com/Woodpecker-Method-Axel-Smith-Tikkanen...

This is why HN is great -- appears to be an amazing book.

kthejoker26• 5 years ago

Yeah, and you can take an interactive course version of it on Chessable

https://www.chessable.com/the-woodpecker-method/course/10582...

And most of the Chessable courses can be "woodpeckered" through the interface.

robomartin2• 5 years ago

That's too much work. All my kids play. I have been playing since I was a kid myself. It's just a game. Getting into memorization and deep analysis makes it less interesting for me. I've been in the 1800 to 2000 range for a while. Spending too much time getting great at chess is, in my opinion, time that could be better spent getting good at something far more useful in life. Exercise is such an example.

My system is very simple: Before I play a game I must complete at least five consecutive puzzles. Yes, this might mean I play 12 or 20 puzzles before I get five in a row. What's interesting about this is that if I get to a dozen or more puzzles and did not solve five in a row, I take it as an indication that my brain isn't in "chess mode" and go do something else. Every time I ignore this indicator I lose games.

Just work on puzzles and keep it simple. My kids have a great time with this simple rule. They don't have to memorize anything and they progressively get better and better. Above all, they don't get worked-up about losing at all. Keep it simple and fun.

acoard• 5 years ago

Where do you play puzzles?

mostertoaster• 5 years ago

I think this is where it really shows that it becomes just pattern recognition. Sometimes our brains are fuzzy and we slowly match patterns. Other times they’re quick.

Though I also think the real value in puzzles is not that they help you win more, but lose less.

I often play a puzzle that the advantage gains a piece over one or two lost pawns, and when I play these I love to go then and try to beat stockfish 9, undoing moves freely. I often still lose, but what I learn is how to defend after you blunder and how to avoid blowing an advantage.

I think just solving the puzzle as if you are the stronger player taking advantage of a blunder is less beneficial than solving the puzzle as if you were the one who made the blunder and what do you hope they don’t see is better.

sillysaurusx2• 5 years ago

I love that HN hyper-focused on your 600 points observation. However, 600 points means you went from 1500 (the start) to at least 2100, which is almost universally recognized as "pro" or at least semi-pro for chess.

So yes, logarithmic curve and dimensionless pedantry and all that, I'll grant you; but that's missing the trees for the squirrels in the forest, since 600 points means "I went from noob to pro." No one expects Magnus to gain 600 points, since that's quite impossible.

I guess you could argue that it's possible for someone to start at 1500, then really suck at chess and drop to 900, and then merely become average again (1500), and claim a 600 point improvement. As with the other observation, I agree, that would be impressively misleading. I'm not sure that's the claim, though.

EDIT: I retract every claim. I am in fact an idiot, since the article does say they went from 1200 to 1800, not 1500 to 2100.

This is what I get for writing something dumb. At least I admit it right away though. Sorry.

At least it's proof that the pedantic-ness wasn't so pedantic.

I also take solace in the fact that the actual title of the article was stripped: the title says 1200-1800, not merely 600 points, which in this case is crucial info. But! It was remarkably stupid not to actually click on the link before writing, and this is rather public proof that sometimes I don't. Perhaps that's a strong signal that in the future, I need to be. :)

joshuamorton2• 5 years ago

The full headline is 1200-1800 on lichess, which has a mean of 1500. So they started below average, trained up to something like 65 percentile on lichess. Its good improvement yes, but as someone at that rating, I'd be a mediocre club player at best (no more than 1600 FIDE, and probably less)

saurik• 5 years ago

I am struggling to understand your point, as this person did not start at 1500: they started at 1200. Imagine if they had started at 900, not gone down and then back up as you posit for some reason?

Kranar2• 5 years ago

Unfortunately OP was right to be pedantic. Consider that you assumed the author went from 1500 to 2100 in 6 months, which would be an absolutely monumental achievement, and yet the actual article says the author went from 1200 to 1800, which is nice, certainly nothing to complain about, but nothing even remotely as impressive as going from 1500 to 2100.

600 points, in and of itself, is almost meaningless.

slingnow• 5 years ago

Your comment is all over the place with assumptions that are odd / incorrect and easily corrected by reading the article.

First of all they went from 1200 -> 1800, not 1500 -> 2100.

Second, just because you are given a preliminary rating of 1500 doesn't mean that you are a 1500. I don't know where you would get that idea from. If my 10 year old nephew signs up for lichess and never plays a game, by your logic he's a 1500 rated player.

Third, an elo of 2100 is definitely not "pro" in chess. Especially not an unofficial lichess rating of 2100. A FIDE rating of 2500 is the minimum to be considered a Grandmaster, which is the beginning of anything resembling pro.

CydeWeys2• 5 years ago

I guess you could argue that it's possible for someone to start at 1500, then really suck at chess and drop to 900, and then merely become average again (1500), and claim a 600 point improvement.

This is showing some pretty serious misunderstandings about ELO ratings. 1,500 is absolutely not the starting point. When you first learn Chess, your rating will be low hundreds (like under 500). It takes a decent bit of practice to work your way up to 1,500, at which point you are already decent. 1,500 is roughly average among people who play Chess competitively. You certainly don't start there. 1,800 means you're good enough to beat most players at an average low level local tournament.

dfan• 5 years ago

I'd start considering players to be "pro" at around 2600 lichess rapid, which is a pretty normal rating for an International Master. (Mine is over 2200 and I just consider myself to be pretty good.)

1800 is still in the "learning how to play well" stage but getting there from a standing start in 6 months is indeed nice progress. He doesn't seem to claim it's anything more than that, which I appreciate.

JumpCrisscross• 5 years ago

Once you've memorized all the mistakes in the Scandi or London system

What's a good book for this?

kthejoker26• 5 years ago

Usually each opening has its own book (or several books!), I prefer just starting with Lichess studies and YouTube videos

e.g.

https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Alichess.org%2Fstudy+s...

Memorizing the 20-30 traps and mistakes in those studies is sufficient for beginners; you can use spaced repetition (I use my own private Lichess study to collect positions) and cover the 20 or so most popular openings in a few months.

Again, not enough to win but it helps you punish bad play and learn how to handle aggressive players (since many of the traps are in fact bad play but only with perfect counterplay)

eawoifjaiowepfj• 5 years ago

Pedantry alert: As Elo ratings are named after a person, they shouldn't be fully capitalized, as they are not acronyms.

ridiculous_fish2• 5 years ago

At OP's level (1800 lichess), there are only two rules of importance: "don't blunder" and "don't give up." Here's one of their recent wins [1]: in this game, OP had black and was completely lost, down a rook and a knight. Black played on, white dropped their guard and blundered, black pounced on it, and black gets the full point, having made the second-to-last mistake.

I am 2100 in lichess 5/0. Most of my games are still resolved by blunders on either side. It's rare to get a positional advantage and then grind away; instead someone didn't see that backwards knight or lateral queen move.

1: https://lichess.org/fhnTl1lE/black#72

sova• 5 years ago

Surprised you didn't mention "analyzing games I played to find viable alternatives or understand opponent blunders." The greatest improvements to my score came from reviewing every game and using the "Computer Analysis" feature on Lichess to see other, stronger moves. This helped a lot in breaking out of old patterns and not making the same mistakes twice.

There is a famous series of chess textbooks they use to teach kids in Russia, and two of the important "commandments of chess" if you will, are: be able to visualize the board (seems crazy to me, still) and review/learn from your games.

Moodles4• 5 years ago

I think by far the biggest improvement newbies can make is just not hanging pieces and blundering, honestly. Literally the majority of games at <1600 lichess level will be decided by mistakes. But apart from that, it's openings and tactics. I largely agree with the blog post.

I used to be quite good as a kid, winning championships and whatnot, and I'm actually glad my grandfather didn't teach me opening theory so much, so I could be trained to think more than memorize. Sadly at the highest level, you do just have to memorize the best opening lines which makes it a lot less fun so I'm not too bothered about not being the best I could be. I think games like Fischer random go some way to addressing this and it's a shame they're not more popular.

Some really entertaining Chess youtube channels I like are:

GothamChess: https://www.youtube.com/c/gothamchess/about I think the number 1 on YouTube these days. He explains games in a high level, really entertaining way. He also has other playlists like guess the elo, etc. He's a really entertaining guy.

https://www.youtube.com/c/agadmator I think he number 2 and used to be number 1 most subscribed until very recently. He explains lines in more detail than Gotham, and has quite a few funny meme-able phrases like "captures, captures, captures", "hello everyone!", "bishop pair fully operational", etc. I enjoy his playlists about e.g. the Morphy Saga, AlphaZero, very much.

ChessBrah: Kind of broey funny with house music, challenges and whatnot, and actually very high quality chess from GMs too https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCvXxdkt1d8Uu08NAQP2IUTw

There's some others I don't watch so much but which are also liked by many too, like the Botez sisters, GM Hikaru, Eric Rosen, etc. It's quite a nice community (barring the usual drama all such communities have).

FPGAhacker• 5 years ago

So I don’t mean this is to be snarky , but aren’t all chess games decided by mistakes?

Moodles4• 5 years ago

It is thought that if chess was played perfectly then it is probably a draw, but nobody knows. So if by "mistake" you mean "not exactly the best move to force a draw from move 1 to the final move", then yes. But in chess "mistake" usually means "large inaccuracy" rather than "not the best move". I just mean games at a higher elo are usually decided by pressing a smaller advantage, rather than someone hanging a queen by mistake, so basically just avoiding massive blunders gets the most elo benefit, rather than worrying too much about tactics or opening theory.

NineStarPoint• 5 years ago

Sure, but in chess blundering is more specific in that it means a mistake that is obviously awful. It's the difference between making a poor tactical decision that you might not realize was the reason for your defeat without analysis, and making a move that is so terrible that if you had noticed the issue with it in advance even a low ELO player never would have made it. A hanging piece being given up for no positional advantage is the classical low ELO blunder.

joshuamorton2• 5 years ago

Inaccuracy, mistake, and blunder are in a sense technical terms related to the gravity of the screw up.

efficax• 5 years ago

failure to see disaster 3 moves ahead is a mistake, failure to see it 10 or more moves ahead is just the limits of human reasoning. In between is squishy

xapata• 5 years ago

Depending on your definition of a mistake.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-move_advantage_in_ches...

jiggunjer2• 5 years ago

I'd rank them best first: Gotham, John Bartholomew, Rosen, Hikaru, Agadmator, Hanging pawns, others.

The st louis chess club lectures are also very good.

dilyevsky• 5 years ago

How is hikaru before agadmator - it’s pure entertainment. Watching a super gm intentionally blunder on first two moves for 3 hours probably hurts your chess more than improves it

mushishi2• 5 years ago

To extend your list, I like grandmasters GingerGM https://www.youtube.com/c/GingerGM and Daniel Naroditsky https://www.youtube.com/c/DanielNaroditskyGM

cven714• 5 years ago

Have to include ChessNetwork https://www.youtube.com/ChessNetworkTV/videos

If people like Gotham/Nakamura/ChessBrahs aren't your style, ChessNetwork is calm and straight forward without all of the youtube/twitch "entertainer" personality I find grating.

mkaic• 5 years ago

I'm a huge fan of Eric Rosen, who plays lots of gambits and aggressive games with highly instructive commentary.I'd highly recommend his content whenever you feel yourself starting to get tired of traditionally high-energy YouTubers -- Eric is lively and funny but also stays incredibly chill and calm 100% of the time. I've watched hundreds of hours of his videos and have never seen him lose his cool ever, it's impressive.

tomcooks2• 5 years ago

+1 for Eric Rosen, his calm attitude and lack of memes make it enjoyable to watch. GothamChess and Chessbrah are obnoxious to my ears and eyes.

On the same note I really appreciate Dan Naroditsky and Ben Finegold.

bsder• 5 years ago

I think by far the biggest improvement newbies can make is just not hanging pieces and blundering, honestly. Literally the majority of games at <1600 lichess level will be decided by mistakes.

This, in fact, exactly what GM Ben Finegold points out. At anything short of Master-level play, blunders define the winner. "Never resign" is something that he drums into his students.

My biggest issue with chess is that playing chess isn't "fun"--it's hard work. There are a lot of games that I would rather play when I'm against a human socially.

Moodles4• 5 years ago

Yeah, I know what you mean. Chess is strange in that it is kind of fun to spot a tactic and crush, but also kind of mentally exhausting when a position in complex and it's so easy for either side to blunder. Sometimes I play then after awhile, I have to check myself and ask: am I actually enjoying this? Is this a good use of my time?

WalterBright3• 5 years ago

you do just have to memorize the best opening lines

At that level, might as well just use a computer to play the game for you.

keyb0ardninja• 5 years ago

I find Gothamchess very annoying. I like Ben Finegold a lot. Go Ben!

toolslive• 5 years ago

going from 2100 to >2250 on lichess in a year, I can confirm woodpeckering is the way to go for me.

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

That’s solid improvement, good to know. I may pick back up with the woodpeckering at some point.

macrael• 5 years ago

I’ve been watching this YouTube “speed run” by a GM who is a great teacher and have gone from 1000 to 1300 so far. He does a great job explaining some basic theory and giving advice for newcomers.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ytkf3qZTj74

seanwessmith• 5 years ago

I was thinking of developing a website that helps you analyze your games vs naroditsky's games. let me know if you have any ideas on what would be useful.

bennyg• 5 years ago

I would love that - been thinking about how to automate Youtube's generated closed captions from positions I'm in based on positions he's in. I typically play Caro-Kann and Danish Gambit so it seems likely I probably see common positions in the first half-dozen moves or so.

Townsendin• 5 years ago

Not every meaningless achievement needs a retrospective blog post. The article starts out:

"For some background: I played chess briefly with my friends in high school,"

No one knows who you are or cares. What kind of person has the time to read that?

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

Not every meaningless achievement with an unnecessary retrospective blog post needs a derisive comment about its existence, and yet here we are. Some people are interested in the content, you’re obviously not, just ignore it.

jimmyvalmer• 5 years ago

I am here for your grievance about pointless backstory, but I think OP got to the point soon enough.

greenail2• 5 years ago

I think the author is underappreciating end game. Understanding how drive winning pawn promotions informs much of the other strategy. This sort of thing informs when to make a trade or a sacrifice. If you don't understand it you aren't likely making good trades. The other simple idea is control of the center and evaluating your play to ask yourself how much control did you have?

gpm2• 5 years ago

I'm 1878 on lichess rapid, so slightly better than the author.

At this level (at least with my play style) the end game rarely decides games, usually one side or the other will gain a decisive advantage earlier than that.

It's obvious to me that there will become a point where I need to start really studying endgames if I want to improve forever, but it's not yet. Moreover my opponents also don't understand engames well, and engines don't play them in a human fashion, so it isn't easy to get useful practice in them.

greenail2• 5 years ago

do you play speed, blitz, longer? If you want to play expert or master level I believe you should study end game but the format you play may have some impact on how important you think endgame is. Blunders become much rarer as you play higher level players and early advantage may come down to a few 1/2 tempo win/loss moves.

eterm• 5 years ago

I'm surprised how smooth the curve is, the author never has streaks where he loses a few hundred rating points. In fact I'm struggling to see he ever dips more than 50.

I've been on a similar journey over the past year, where I'm now around 1500 rapid on chess.com but in that time I've had streaks where I've been down 250 rating from my peak.

I don't know if I tilt super hard or if the author is remarkably resilient to tilt. It might also be a difference in how the different sites do match-making or adjust ratings and k-values.

I'd echo the benefit in learning some basic opening theory. It's not worth rote learning theory but it is worth having a consistent approach to games so you learn from the same patterns and can avoid opening traps.

If you play the same opening moves then over time you build up a memory of moves that you like in those positions and which will get deeper as you get more experience.

Etheryte• 5 years ago

Not getting into a downward spiral from tilt is fairly straightforward for me, when you lose two or three games in a row simply don't play more that day. In general, I play at most a few games a day and it helps a lot. If you want to just get practice with a specific opening or play out your frustration there's always computer games, too. When I practice with the computer I usually set the difficulty considerably higher than my own level, it helps me find weaknesses in my own play that I would usually get away with at my own rating level. I also don't mind losing to the computer. For some reason there's no emotion in losing to a computer whereas there is in losing to another human player.

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

I think part of this is the slow time control, it's hard to tilt for more than a few games on rapid, since games can last up to 20 minutes. The other part is I think I was chronically under-rated, because of my ratio of studying to playing games.

ThomasCM2• 5 years ago

Shameless plug: In case you want to track your chess progress and see more statistics on your openings (win rates, etc.), I'm developing a website where you can link your accounts to view stats for all of your games. It's free and currently in Beta: https://www.chessmonitor.com/

Here is an example for the current world champion: https://www.chessmonitor.com/u/kcc58R9eeGY09ey5Rmoj

kthejoker26• 5 years ago

I use ChessMonitor all the time, it's a great site, thanks so much!

aoeusnth1• 5 years ago

I'm getting major dotabuff vibes from the UI. I assume you drew inspiration from them?

ThomasCM2• 5 years ago

Yes, I've played Dota myself and always loved dotabuff. That's where some of the inspiration came from.

dragon96• 5 years ago

One piece of advice I hear a lot is "review your games", but how do you actually do that without a stronger player? I'd sometimes use an engine and it'll point out moves I hadn't considered before, but without understanding the plan or positional ideas behind them, I often find this pretty opaque.

nescioquid• 5 years ago

I found that bit of advice similarly daunting. However, in trying to understand where things go wrong in a game, you might notice patterns emerging after you've analyzed several of your own games, which should give you something concrete to work on for improvement.

At my level, that basically amounted to identifying blind spots I'm a prey to (at one point it was discovered attacks along a particular diagonal). A master, expert, or higher level class player will be concerned with entirely different things when they review their games.

webnrrd2k2• 5 years ago

One thing that helps me is to play a better chess engine, dialed down to close to my skill level, and play for a bit until I really get stuck. Then I take back a bunch of moves and figure out where I went wrong and why, and then play the game out until I get stuck again. Or I'll go back and try to see if I can find a better way to accomplish my goals. In general, creating a low-risk environment to learn, where I try to compare my original thinking to my later thinking has been key.

I haven't played more than a handful of games since pre-covid times, so I'm back to being pretty clumsy, and just started "rewinding" games again. It seems to help a lot.

adgjlsfhk1• 5 years ago

My general strategy is to review with a computer, and if I don't understand the move the computer is suggesting, I follow the PV (principal variation) 3 or 4 moves deep. Generally that is enough to either tell me what I should have seen or "oh, the computer is thinking way above my level and I can probably ignore this"

jdkenney• 5 years ago

Before internet chess it was very common to analyze games either at the tournament with a group, or a club later also with a group, both usually having some stronger players around.

To do it yourself, the best explanation and framework I think is found in Yermolinsky’s “Road to Chess Improvement”. It’s very helpful in systemizing this and also has thorough explanations of his experience in analyzing his own games.

X6S1x6Okd1st2• 5 years ago

at least on lichess there is a "learn from your mistakes" button where you need to guess a move that doesn't lose points. Try not to just randomly make guesses but think hard when you don't see it.

mrtranscendence• 5 years ago

Anyone have any tips for someone who's a bit interested in chess but is a complete beginner? As in, I know how the pieces move but I couldn't win a game against a blindfolded dachshund puppy. My ELO would be negative (I'd be so improbably bad that it breaks mathematics). It's just not clear where to start.

sb636• 5 years ago

1) Learn how the pieces move

2) Play along with some beginner chess tutorials on sites like chess.com or Lichess

3) Watch this youtube series https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ao9iOeK_jvU

wingerlang• 5 years ago

There must be at least a million "complete chess beginner" guides on Youtube alone.

handrous• 5 years ago

Drill tactics, like practicing pawns-only exercises and others that get you to use a small group of pieces in concert and without the distraction of a full game, to quickly get a feel for the kinds of moves & patterns that are good for them, and the kinds that are bad. Then, in actual games, apply that while focusing on advancing while keeping all your pieces guarded by at least one other, nearly all the time, while projecting lines of attack as far as possible (queen, bishops, rooks). Then focus on getting good at checkmating—it can be weirdly hard to pin down a king in the late game without practice, and getting better at spotting and exploiting early mate opportunities is one of the biggest level-ups you can get, early on.

I wouldn't worry about memorizing openings and such until after you feel like you're hitting a wall with all that.

600 points in 6 months is an impressive achievement.

d232• 5 years ago

I wish the author had discussed a bit about what worked and didn't at a higher level. I don't have the time to get into chess, but I'm quite curious about how I could translate his learning into other games and domains.

One that was mentioned as a breakthrough was in learning to think like the opponent. That's quite interesting.

I'm not sure what I can takeaway from the puzzle stuff without knowing more about chess. It seemed like some of the puzzles worked better than others, for whatever reason. I'd definitely like to know more.

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

I think from a higher level there are some interesting things, you're right that I should have gone into it a bit. One of those is that raising my ceiling of play, like challenging myself with super tough puzzles, was actually totally unproductive. Raising the floor of my play, however, was hugely beneficial. I imagine this generalizes somewhat to other pursuits.

The other takeaway I've had is how different procedural learning is from declarative learning. Among one of the weird features of it is I don't actually know how much something is helping until I get to the board and play some games afterward. There were exercises I thought were helping a lot in the moment, but had no effect on my play, and vice versa.

Also sometimes people that are good at something are the worst to ask for help. For example, if you ask "how can I stop blundering?" (one of the most common questions on forums), common advice (from good players), is to have a mental checklist before making a move: threats, captures, skewers, pins, etc. But nobody actually plays like this, running through some checklist before every move. You just slowly rewire your brain over 100s/1000s of games and puzzles. If my queen and king are lined up now, and there's a rook on the board, that's as obvious as a flashing light on the board saying "hey watch out for pins!", but there's no easy answer to tell a beginner that will get him to that state, so people try to convert that feeling they get into a manual approach, and it just doesn't work. I guess this is like the key feature of procedural learning, that it's resistant to verbal explanation, but that doesn't stop people from trying, so you just need to learn to take it with a huge grain of salt.

d232• 5 years ago

Could you describe "raising the floor of your play" a bit more? I'm not fully sure what you mean by that.

xyzelement2• 5 years ago

A bit of an aside, I love chess because it forces you to think several moves ahead including game-theorizing what your opponent will do. I want to teach it to my kid for this reason.

I never got into timed chess but I can see it be valuable because it forces you to trade off between over-thinking and running out of time and under-thinking and making bad moves. This is also a real life skill.

But I know that my personal game will always stay amateur because once you're in the timed game space, you can't get too far without memorizing opening and to me that crosses the line from "fun and overall developmental" to "work."

mrbungie• 5 years ago

Not to tell you how to raise your children, but please only teach your kid if you see he likes it.

Disclaimer: I was a kid that lived my mother's dreams/hopes for a time and now I dread every second of that period.

xyzelement2• 5 years ago

I don't need my kid to live my dreams but it's my job to teach him life skills and chess is a good way for teaching what I just talked about.

retzkek2• 5 years ago

Maybe you'd like 960 aka Fischer Random Chess, with 960 starting positions there's no opening theory to memorize, just principles and tactics from move one.

Not as popular as regular chess but usually no problem finding a game.

raptorraver• 5 years ago

Interesting article. Wish I had time to try even some of those. I'm nowadays quite casual but still serious player. Have been grinding in Lichess since 2019 but played consistently since highschool (so 15 years now!). I'm bit over 1800 in rapid and around 1700 in blitz. I don't care that much about my rating but it sure feels nice to break my records every now and then. I think my biggest problem is that my work (coding) exhausts my thinking energy and I'm quite tired most of times I play so I make stupid blunders which makes me lose many many winning positions. I don't know what would help here? Lately I've just played mostly 3 minute games. It's not so serious to lose a knight or bishop there because the time factor is there always. I'm dreaming of attending the local chess club once my kids are older but until them, see you on Lichess! Boy I love chess :)

huachimingo• 5 years ago

Unpopular opinion: Chess needs an update with more moves or randomized pieces (position, etc).

bikeshaving• 5 years ago

Look up Chess960! It’s a lot of fun.

WJW5• 5 years ago

This is not actually an unpopular opinion but one that many players (including former world champions like Gary Kasparov) have voiced as well.

sabujp2• 5 years ago

you can play "sound" chess using general rules and get to about master level on lichess :

    * trade a piece (bishop for knight and vice versa) when it's being less effective than the opponent's piece
    * block opponents bishops
    * block opponents pawns 
    * don't give opponent's knights a perch (supported by a pawn) on your side of the board, especially near the middle
    * try to promote edge pawns to the middle or clear the path out of the way of your pawns

..there are many other rules, but you can apply these much more quickly (esp in speed chess) thinking "statistically" to improve your position. The end game is where it gets hard for humans and you actually have to think, especially if there are knights still jumping around, rooks and bishops are easier to visualize and block.

Bootvis2• 5 years ago

What is master level to you?

sabujp2• 5 years ago

being able to defeat latest stockfish level 6 and drawing against level 7 or 8

neilk• 5 years ago

I'm quite good at puzzles now, but it doesn't seem to affect my ranking in actual play.

I might be asking for the impossible here, but is there a way to get better without turning this into a part-time job, where I have to read a lot of books, study and memorize openings, and so on?

rantanplan• 5 years ago

Search for "Ben Finegold" on YouTube. He has many lectures for beginners and he's one of the funniest GMs. That makes it less boring :)

a13n• 5 years ago

Note that going from 1200 ELO to 1800 ELO is going from 18th percentile to 74th percentile. Pretty much any form of study over 6 months will get you that progress, because you'll have spent more time on chess than ~74% of players.

Going from 1800 ELO to 2400 ELO (74th percentile to 99th percentile) in 6 months would be a lot more interesting, because clearly your study habits are helping you progress faster than others.

A lot of being better than X% of people at something is just about spending more time doing it than X% of participants... Most professional video game players have 5,000 to 10,000 hours of experience in their game.

Source: https://lichess.org/stat/rating/distribution/rapid

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

I don’t have hard data to back this up, but I do think that 1200 to 1800 on lichess in six months is very solid improvement, there’s a ton of accounts that have 10x+ my playtime and are rated below. It doesn’t seem to be just a time invested thing.

cottager2• 5 years ago

I have friends that have played on Lichess for years and never reached above 1400. How you study is much more important than how much you study. Analyzing different modes of study, as done in this blog post, is quite useful.

hcnews• 5 years ago

Yeah I got to 1650 rapid chess.com within 6 months (starting from basic knowledge of chess pieces moving). I was kinda told that 1800 rapid chess.com within a year of playing is kind of expected.

For people wondering, lichess inflates rating usually at lower level (since it starts at 1500 vs 1200 chess.com). Usually lichess ratings are inflated by 200-300 compared to chess.com which is a bit closer to FIDE ratings.

everyone• 5 years ago

I keep seeing "after gaining 600 pounds in 6 months"

nbulka• 5 years ago

I read this as "Thoughts on chess improvement, after gaining 600 pounds in 6 months."

Thought it was the only activity they had left!

ex3xu• 5 years ago

I'd say that chess fundamentals is three things: Endgames, tactics, and positional strategy. OP's strategy of studying openings and tactics is a very fun and accessible improvement path for intelligent new players, but it is very fragile, as you become vulnerable the second the opponent gets you out of your opening theory. Studying endgames and positional motifs gives you important decision-making tools in unfamiliar positions. Hiring a chess coach is probably the easiest way to systematically improve in these areas, if you're not a robot immune to the tedium of working through Dvoretsky's endgame manual and Silman's Reassess your Chess.

After getting a handle on the fundamentals, the next step is just the accumulation of ideas. GMs use this word all the time in lectures and their post-mortem interviews. Some are common and obvious -- pressuring f2/f7, or yoloing a pawn storm in oppositely castled positions, or outposting an "octopus knight" on the sixth rank, for example. Other ideas require so much genius to see they become famous -- Fischer's Nh4!! at age 13, or Short's king walk, or Shirov's bishop sacrifice, for example.

Accumulating ideas is why studying openings can be helpful in the beginning -- you will learn common plans as well as the most dangerous ideas and traps by brute force just by looking at enough theory. But rather than this inefficient approach -- since you'll never remember every single possible move -- I would recommend studying books and lectures that cover common ideas in the setups you prefer. Specifically, work through the pawn structures you like from GM Mauricio Flores Rios's Chess Structures book, and then study grandmasters who match your style or otherwise inspires you in some way -- e.g. Fischer/Tal for tactical wizards, Karpov/Kramnik for positional specialists, Carlsen/Capablanca for endgame grinders, or Rapport/Jobava/Larsen if you are a weirdo -- and watch Youtube videos analyzing their games and/or buy a book with GM commentary of their best hits.

jlturner• 5 years ago

I would meet with a chess tutor every week for 6 months some years ago. The biggest thing that contributed to my games getting better (which the author didn’t mention as a method they tried) was analyzing my own game.

Thinking back on the moves you made, why you made them (ie gaining material, tempo, position), opportunities missed, and blunders made. It did help to have a coach go over my games with me, helps identify what to work on, what to think about when playing and focus on.

The biggest thing I wasn’t thinking about is how the moves I made moved the board into the position I wanted to checkmate in — I was too worried about losing the pieces themselves.

sydthrowaway2• 5 years ago

Does learning chess improve other facets of cognition?

marcusbuffett11• 5 years ago

Research on this seems to mostly have settled on “no, maybe some accelerated development for kids”. I just know it’s better for my brain to be thinking about chess for 2 hours than to be on Reddit for 2 hours, which is what I was spending the time on before.

sydthrowaway2• 5 years ago

what if you were in r/compsci or r/algorithms

stardenburden• 5 years ago

Great writeup! I just jumped from 900 to 1200 in rapid within two months.

I'll definitely try what he proposed to hopefully get the same rating gain.

WalterBright3• 5 years ago

I failed at chess because instead of thinking about my next move I'd be designing a program to pick the next move for me.

WalterBright3• 5 years ago

I bought a copy of "Chess Skill in Man and Machine"

https://www.amazon.com/Chess-machine-monographs-computer-sci...

back in the 70's, and it's descriptions of how a game could be mapped into a program was very illuminating to me. I still have a function in the DMD D compiler named evalu8() as tribute to that book.

Sadly, I lost my copy somewhere. I just ordered another from Amazon, I'm curious as to how it appears 4+ decades later.

glouwbug• 5 years ago

When I play online chess I load up a grandmaster AI and input my opponents moves

justusw2• 5 years ago

Isn’t that called cheating?

noisy_boy• 5 years ago

I have a genuine question. My long time peeve has been that I suck at Chess and every time I play against anyone/anything, I just lose. It demoralizes me and then after sometime I try again, only to have the experience repeat. I have had decent grades, I code for a living and have been told that the quality of my work isn't bad so I guess I'll risk coming across as arrogant when I think that I'm not absolutely dumb.

So the question is, is there anyone who has had the same experience? If so, what did you do to improve? Mind you, I'm not asking folks who put in moderate effort and got results. I'm talking to the ones that keep failing and failing spectacularly but eventually improved. Is it even possible to have anyone like that? If so, what did you do? Is it about just keeping at it?

caterama• 5 years ago

This happened to me. Just get online, play games, and do puzzles and you will improve. One of the tough things is getting started. When you sign up on lichess.org, you start out with 1500 rating which is literally ~50th percentile [1]. You're probably not actually 50th percentile so you're going to loose literally all of your first 10-20 games until you stabilize at a lower rating (it was ~850 for me). It's a little rough, but you just need to get through it. Once your ranking stabilizes, you'll be matched against opponents who you have a chance to win against. From there you'll see improvement over time. Improvement is slow, though. 600 points in 6 months is notably _fast_. I've managed ~800 improvement 3 years.

[1] https://lichess.org/stat/rating/distribution/blitz

silisili• 5 years ago

I'll reply, but probably not how you want.

I've always been a smart guy at a lot of things, especially math, who never had to try that hard in school.

I went to exactly one chess club meeting in high school, as I knew how to play and wanted to learn more. I was defeated in a few moves by a kid who not only laughed at me, but told his friends about whatever rush I just fell for and they all had a good laugh.

As you may imagine, I never went to another meeting.

Years later I came across Yahoo Chess, and thought I'd give that a try. I was beat by someone from Syria who used his victory to explain to me why Americans are so stupid and cocky.

I learned two things about chess -

1) It's not about being gifted or smart, it takes a lot of work and practice.

2) The community can be toxic as hell, so have thick skin. Or don't, I don't even play anymore. Two games were enough to teach me I don't want anything to do with that club.

justusw2• 5 years ago

Regarding the toxic community, there is a reason chess.com hides chat unless you enable it.

matheusmoreira• 5 years ago

Similar experience here. Winning at online chess is punishment for me. They immediately start matching me against better opponents in order to make me lose again. I hate every game with these points systems.

I don't think I'm stupid but I do have attention deficit disorder. People told me to memorize chess openings and that was just so boring I couldn't pay attention. At this point, using a computer to break the game starts sounding a lot more interesting than playing the game itself. If it's just memorization, I'm not gonna waste any of my neurons on it.

imgabe• 5 years ago

I've been playing a lot of chess over the past year or two. One thing that upped my game a lot was watching videos on Youtube about common openings and traps. If you regularly lose right away, you're probably falling for traps. Once you know about them they're easier to spot. You can also attempt to spring them on other people, which is fun (though unlikely to work against anyone serious about chess). Learn about the basic tactics like pins and forks and get better at spotting them.

My advice is to learn maybe 3-4 openings and just use those every time. It narrows the field of possibilities. You'll get acclimated to the different ways they tend to play out. Of course, people will use others that you're unfamiliar with and you'll probably lose.

Otherwise, just play a lot. I like bullet chess (1 minute games). The fast pace means lots of reps and you get good at assessing the board quickly.

ridiculous_fish2• 5 years ago

At the beginner chess level, you're likely to face opponents who know a few traps. When you lose to a trap, learn it, and then inflict them upon your opponent!

CannisterFlux• 5 years ago

Your comment resonated with me at least. I don't like playing chess for many reasons. I'm always second guessing myself, making stupid mistakes, and losing. I only tend to play vs the cpu on the easiest setting, and it still stomps me. I hate playing against real people, if for some reason I win I feel like a show off jerk who fluked it, and when I lose I feel like an idiot.

nachexnachex• 5 years ago

Losing is normal. Learning the moves is easy, learning to play not so much. Think of it as any non trivial card game.

Two pieces of advice: 1. Play longer times. This happened to me when I started with 5+3. Play 15+10. 2. STUDY YOUR LOSSES. sorry for yelling. Try to understand what did your opponent that you didn't see, try to understand if it was a tactic you missed or a strategy general loss. (in parallel with those) study endgame (mate with queen, K+R v. K, etc) and the tactics by name. X-ray, what's a fork, what's a skewer, etc. By name only, avoid puzzles. Think of them as the for and whiles of chess.

elilev• 5 years ago

Visualization is best learned via Chess Vision for iOS https://apps.apple.com/us/app/chess-vision/id1547932501

tomcooks2• 5 years ago

Related shameless self plug: I went from 600 to ~1100 thanks to my own training method, which I'm transforming into an online service aimed at chess amateurs that want to improve.

It's currently being developed, who wants to check out the free beta can sign up here:

https://yousuckatchess.com

ctrlp• 5 years ago

lichess.org has really been a game-changer (sorry) for my chess playing. I know some people love chess.com but I think lichess has such a great interface and there is always a large number of players online for games.

zzq• 5 years ago

What's the equivalent of Puzzle Storm -- rapid drills to improve pattern recognition -- in other domains, e.g. coding?

RobKohr• 5 years ago

Does anyone have a similar collection of guides on learning Go?

Thoughts on chess improvement, after gaining 600 points in 6 months

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