Jolla Phone (October 2026)

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by mrbn100ful • 26 days ago

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WarmWash• 26 days ago

What does "Assembled in Finland" mean?

john_strinlai2• 26 days ago

the pieces of the phone are put together in the country of finland

nticompass2• 26 days ago

Yes, but which pieces are put together there and which are already assembled elsewhere?

embedding-shape• 26 days ago

Stuff gets put together in Finland to form the final device they ship, even if the parts aren't made in Finland. I think a dictionary lookup for "assemble" might help if this explanation did not.

nticompass2• 26 days ago

I read it as "how much is actually assembled in Finland versus arriving pre-assembled?"

dghlsakjg2• 26 days ago

Well, assembly can mean that a pick and place machine is assembling individual capacitors onto a raw circuit board, or it can mean a teenager putting the battery in and putting the battery cover on before packaging it. That’s why “look it up in a dictionary” comments aren’t helpful. We aren’t confused about the word, we are confused what it means in this use because it can have a VERY broad definition.

Pick and place PCB assembly is very different from the final assembly of batteries in terms of who is capturing value and building a reasonable moat. Their sales angle is around European autonomy.

Low wage workers putting batteries in phones is not that, but PCB assembly is much closer to that.

ttkari3• 26 days ago

Probably things like fixing the mainboards to the casing, putting in batteries, back covers, flashing the software, running hw tests, packaging etc.

xandrius2• 26 days ago

I hope Ubuntu Touch has native support for this, as it's a great OS with massive potential and active community.

tombert• 26 days ago

I really wanted the official Ubuntu phone to catch on. I gave to the IndieGoGo for it but sadly it wasn't funded, so I installed Ubuntu mobile on a different old phone (a OnePlus One I think?) like a decade ago.

I thought it was very cool. It felt a lot more like a "computer that I could use as a smartphone" than a "smartphone with some computer stuff". I thought the interface was clean and nice and it was fun to hack on.

I really should buy a compatible phone and play with it again...I'm sure they've done a lot of work on it.

xandrius2• 26 days ago

Yeah, I did the same. Now you can even run android apk's on the system, which makes it easier to switch.

itomato• 26 days ago

If this Sailfish phone is 700 and Commodore's is 500, I know which Sailfish device I can pay attention to.

wasting_time• 26 days ago

What do you mean?

nicman23• 26 days ago

99€ down payment to lock your October delivery

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Tiberium• 26 days ago

Wanted to mention that Sailfish has a lot of closed-source components, especially UI-related, despite the overall marketing/"vibe" making it look very open. If anything, AOSP (Android) is more open than Sailfish. I don't think this has changed with Sailfish 5, see e.g.:

- https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/sailfish-os-clarifying-claims...

- https://docs.sailfishos.org/Develop/Open_Source/

Retr0id2• 26 days ago

Huh. I really don't see the point of this, vs something like GrapheneOS.

Edit: I'm well aware of the differences between typical Linux and Android (especially the security architecture!), and I'm willing to make some sacrifices in the name of FOSS... but only if it's actually FOSS.

dengolius2• 26 days ago

I read somewhere that the owners have ties to russia, but the most important thing is that they’re marketing very aggressively through posts that slander GraphenOS.

ttkari3• 26 days ago

If what you want is android and you have privacy concerns, GrapheneOS is probably the best you can get.

Then again, SailfishOS is a linux with much of the usual linux stuff like userland with bash, coreutils, glibc, systemd, wayland, pulseaudio etc.

ux2664783• 26 days ago

/etc configuration instead of the insanely bad system properties crap, glibc instead of bionic (which has even worse POSIX compliance than Windows), ld instead of linker, FHS, not having a batshit insane No-Sockets rule, not needing to port software that already compiles and runs on GNU/Linux, X11/Wayland/Arcan, system services aren't entangled with Java, normal IPC mechanisms instead whatever the fuck binder is. The list goes on.

Android (and by extension GrapheneOS) uses Linux as a kernel, but it lives in its own world and is completely unrecognizable. I'd say it's even more alien than macOS. For most users, the differences don't matter. If you're a programmer or a sysadmin with reasonable expectations, you feel like a fish out of water very fast. And I cannot honestly the changes are for the better.

ThatMedicIsASpy4• 26 days ago

My xperia 10 iii was 280€(+50€ OS) vs 500€++ for a pixel.

But I hate phones. All I want is navigation, sms/call, signal, steam and firefox.

tormeh• 26 days ago

If it has the "security" architecture of Linux (it's really more of a multi-tenant architecture) then that's a complete deal breaker. Wouldn't want it if it was 1000x faster/betterer than Android.

Our desktop OSes are just incompatible with running untrusted software, and you're gonna want to do that.

port112• 26 days ago

Maybe the point is to have more than 2 players in the mobile OS arena, especially if the American duopoly continues to force everyone’s hand.

17186274402• 22 days ago

differences between typical Linux and Android

I know how this looks like, but I really wish a more precise term, like e.g. GNU/Linux would have catched on...

The kernel is necessary for the OS, but for the user freedom kind of not that important, as can be seen by Google/Linux aka. Android.

bossyTeacher• 21 days ago

Jolla depends on the AOSP. Graphene depends on the AOSP and Google Pixel phones. If Google Pixel phones ever got their bootloader locked, Graphene would die immediately. If AOSP ever went private, both would die. The risk space is bigger for Graphene.

mrbn100ful4• 26 days ago

They are (slowly) releasing more and more components

https://forum.sailfishos.org/t/open-sourcing-proceeding/2468...

https://github.com/sailfishos/sailfish-weather/

https://github.com/sailfishos/jolla-camera

It's still more open than AOSP

singpolyma3• 26 days ago

I think you mean less. Since AOSP is fully open?

bri3d2• 26 days ago

It's still more open than AOSP

I don't think this is true at all? AOSP is completely open source modulo driver blobs (which Sailfish has too) and Google services.

One can make a fully functional system, modulo drivers, out of only open-source components using AOSP. It's not possible to do this using Sailfish; the compositor, UI libraries (Silica), and most of the "core" apps are still closed source.

Andromxda3• 25 days ago

It's still more open than AOSP

Uh, no? How are you getting this idea?

This is the manifest file for GrapheneOS: https://github.com/GrapheneOS/platform_manifest/blob/17/defa...

It literally contains links to all the AOSP repos or GrapheneOS forks of them. You can clone these exact repos and build the OS from source. GrapheneOS provides instructions for it: https://grapheneos.org/build

fsflover8• 26 days ago

If the openness is important to you, you may want to have a look at other GNU/Linux phones, Librem 5 and Pinephone. The former runs an FSF-endorsed Debian derivative.

Marciplan2• 26 days ago

why this over Fairphone?

poetaster4• 26 days ago

Mal, from Jolla has ports to from the 2 till the 5, I believe. I used an FP2 for about a year. Big difference is andoid app support, not present on the fp ohones.

Marciplan2• 26 days ago

fair enough!

cassianoleal• 26 days ago

Have they unlocked the bootloader? Can I install a different OS on it?

imzadi• 26 days ago

I hope it eats you if you don't wear your Christmas clothes

boesboes• 26 days ago

Careful with preordering, they seem to ignore requests to cancel & the community is rather hostile to any form of criticism

bilekas2• 26 days ago

I like the idea of these new phones that might be a bit more privacy centered, and even with some different OSes but I think the biggest problem for a lot of adoption is the compatibility with things like banking apps, 2fa etc. It makes it quite an impossible daily driver thanks to some strange rules.

erikvanoosten• 26 days ago

Perhaps my bank is special (Triodos), its app works just fine on the Jolla.

pimterry• 26 days ago

There's a compatibility list at https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compa....

I think the challenges here exist but the reality is overblown to be honest, the vast majority of banking apps (everything that isn't struck through in that list) work just fine.

Fully agree the concern is discouraging adoption though. I would love to see more of a solution here, it seems like purely anti-competitive behaviour by Android that will block competitors emerging.

axelthegerman• 26 days ago

Unfortunately for the foreseeable future you'd need a cheap Android or iOS device for those apps and whatever you want as daily driver.

I don't think you NEED to open your online banking on your phone every day. Just use cash and cards.

2FA should be easily available on any OS

microtonal11• 26 days ago

I don't think you NEED to open your online banking on your phone every day. Just use cash and cards.

That's an overgeneralization. In many countries online payments require approval through a smartphone. There are also banks that barely have a mobile banking website (e.g. Bunq last time I had it).

poetaster4• 26 days ago

2FA is not an issue. Many, but not all banking apps work fine. I have an android phone for 3 apps which I need about once a month. Daily driving a linux phone since 2016.

Uncle_Brumpus• 26 days ago

I get all my 2FA through SMS or a Yubikey. It took a bit of wrangling from corporate IT, but it was "Get my yubikey or SMS working or buy me a company phone and pay for service that I won't use for anything else"

I never really did a lot of banking on my phone before, but it really wasn't that hard to let that go. I'd say the biggest hangup is not having Venmo or something for splitting bills with friends, yard-sales, etc, but I've started carrying some amount of cash again for those instances and it's worked out alright.

Been daily driving a dumbphone since 2023. Yes it takes a bit of work, but it's so SO worth it.

spaqin• 26 days ago

I still can't take a device with a mid-range Mediatek seriously. Probably from my XDA days, where just its presence meant locked bootloaders and no kernel sources.

Congrats on selling them but "assembled in EU" can't be the main selling point.

dengolius2• 26 days ago

Does anyone know when they'll sell their company and product to russia again?

Ylpertnodi• 26 days ago

After they make Zelensky pres.

badgersnake3• 26 days ago

They will sell in Russia when it’s legal to do so, just like every other company.

zuzululu2• 26 days ago

Are you talking about European companies? There are already many companies in Russia doing extremely well like Korean and Japanese companies

CiTyBear• 26 days ago

Personal experience with Jolla: I bought their first mobile (still have it somewhere) that would be a "Linux Phone that run android app". Wanted to support it and was ready to expect some bugs but it did not work all. No support at all, most of android app did not work. The OS was not finished that it was already obsolete. And now there are doing it again like the first one never existed. I have zero trust in this company

poetaster4• 26 days ago

I still have my first Jolla from 2016. Still works and got updates till 2 years ago. The android stuff I used was minimal but worked fine except for bluetooth and nfc. I build my own mostly.

derdi• 26 days ago

I still have my first Jolla from 2014, I used it until... 2022-ish? My main gripe was that RAM was limited, the OOM killer killed my browser way too often while I was actively using it. I didn't use too much Android stuff, but as far as I remember it mostly worked. I'd expect this new one to work just fine.

The thing that sounds really fishy is the "User configurable physical Privacy Switch". If you can configure it in software (how else?), then it's software-defined. If it's software-defined, then it's not physical.

alcasa• 26 days ago

I used it as a daily driver back in 2014/15 and it worked ok from what I remember.

aivisol• 26 days ago

I was about to write the same. I even had a chance to meet their then CTO at their booth in WMC in Barcelona and complain in person but well …

port112• 26 days ago

I don’t think they have the trust and platform stability to back up that price tag. But it’s always good to have more competition, so let’s see.

sourcegrift• 26 days ago

Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft. I hope for a day when my phone runs nixos with Qt apps. Qt is so much better than java that I'm sure I'll be able to make do in 4gb what android takes 16gb for.

In the era of hallucinated apps, this doesn't even seen like an imaginary wishful scenario.

drnick13• 26 days ago

Google is so anti open it's the new Microsoft.

You can unlock a Pixel's bootloader and install GrapheneOS. It would be highly ironic if the Jolla's was locked.

xigoi• 26 days ago

GrapheneOS seems to focus on privacy and security, not freedom.

Artoooooor• 26 days ago

Another almost good phone without a mini jack :( User-replaceable battery, SD card port, mini jack, touchscreen that works consistently. Do I really ask for that much?

poetaster4• 26 days ago

I'm also a bit dissapointed by that, but the community sponsored me a phone and I've been testing usb dongles. They're actually surprisingly good for no money. I think if I was a daily phones user I would probably be using bt.

fsflover8• 26 days ago

Did you consider Librem 5 or Pinephone?

utopiah• 26 days ago

Went from iPhone (with PostMarketOS on PinePhones as tests) to /e/OS on a CMF Nothing installed by Murena to GrapheneOS on 2nd hand Pixel 8.

I'm not advocating any of those specifically but I do recommend you take whatever step you are comfortable with to a saner mobile technology lifestyle.

IMHO it's a worthwhile learning journey that is probably less challenging and more empowering than you can imagine.

microtonal11• 26 days ago

For those who do not have the funds for anything else, its worth looking into uad-ng:

https://github.com/Universal-Debloater-Alliance/universal-an...

E.g. on most Samsung phones you can uninstall (from the user partition): third-party Meta/Microsoft/etc. apps, the McAfee app scanner that not enabled by default, Gemini, Bixbee, most Google apps, most Samsung apps, some analytics services. You can make a pretty vanilla phone with just OneUI.

That said, best is to grab a Pixel, the only phone with an unlockable bootloader that also has modern device security (separate security processor, MTE, etc.). Installing GrapheneOS gives you a very pristine and quiet OS, while still providing great compatibility through sandboxed Google Play Services.

Also the only OS that provides Android 17 now, besides Pixel OS (and obviously betas like the OneUI 9 beta).

ktosobcy2• 26 days ago

I got first Jolla Phone ages ago, wanted to love it but in the end I disliked it bebause of gesture-oriented UI (it simply didn't 'click' for me and was annoying to use in the long run).

Right now I'm more excited about PostmarketOS which seems to be more vanilla Linux with more approachable UI…

mrbluecoat• 26 days ago

Ship to the US with GrapheneOS and I'll be first in line :)

microtonal11• 26 days ago

The Mediatek Dimensity 7100 in this phone does not support MTE and the phone is unlikely to have a secure enclave. So does not meet the GrapheneOS requirements by a long stretch.

RomanPushkin• 26 days ago

750 USD? I like the idea. And appreciate all the people who support such products, so phones are getting cheaper. But no way I'm getting it for over $150. It looks really cheap, and the marketing is bad, honestly. I think these corporations have spoiled me, and I was really looking for huuuuge wow effect for $750, but it's just a Linux phone.

fsflover8• 26 days ago

But no way I'm getting it for over $150.

So Pinephone seems to be what you're searching for.

porphyra• 26 days ago

The Pinephone comes with ridiculously weak compute. The Jolla Phone has a Mediatek Dimensity 7100 comparable to $300 phones like the Honor 600 Lite [1]. Of course, with the $750 price tag you're getting an unlocked bootloader/Linux support and the labor of Finnish people.

[1] https://www.gsmarena.com/honor_600_lite_debuts_with_dimensit...

gitowiec• 26 days ago

Why so expensive :(

mrbn100ful4• 26 days ago

They also have the Jolla c2 for 360€

AndrewKemendo• 26 days ago

Is there anybody out there making a thin client device that runs almost everything remotely?

Basically a screen, battery and LTE chip with microSD storage for times

The way most people use phones are functionally useless without internet, so thats already a critical requirement and having the “phone” part of it you can do with 5c of hardware and free software.

qurren• 26 days ago

European alternative

What about the regulatory side where all of Europe is starting to require stock Android or iOS to even have an ID card?

seviu• 26 days ago

I ordered two in the September batch, which was way less expensive.

Jolla phones are fine. I have friends who use it every day. Happy to support them all the best I can.

—— Sent from my iPhone 17 Pro

butz• 26 days ago

Who designed such ridiculous camera bump? It would be a really nice device, if only it had a flat backside.

reaperducer2• 26 days ago

Who designed such ridiculous camera bump?

People who remember when phones had "flat backsides" and were constantly getting scratched and abraded by regular use just putting them on tables and picking them up again.

The tripod posture is a feature, not a bug.

I still occasionally use my iPhone 4 as a music player, and the flat back not only makes it susceptible to scratching, it makes it hard to pick up off of smooth surfaces like my coffee table. With a bump, you have something to grip.

samtp• 26 days ago

Their branding & website looks like a generic fake shop that was created in 30 mins for testing or scamming

_zoltan_• 26 days ago

I gave them money once on Kickstarter. Never got anything and they held my money hostage for years.

I'm never ever, ever buying anything from Jolla. They can go out of business for all I care.

system2• 26 days ago

I wonder if humanity will ever go back to Nokia times small phones. If this phone was 50% smaller, I'd buy it in a heartbeat. I don't want to carry these huge bricks anymore.

Cider99862• 26 days ago

Most people like big phones and they sell the best. With more people who only have phones as their devices, they want to have as much screen as possible.

The solution that I would implement ifI wanted a small phone would be a Motorola flip.

wuming2• 25 days ago

Since NASA demonstrates it is possible to keep servicing software on a 50 years old hardware, traveling into space far far away, I want someone to buy software and original tooling rights for the Nokia 1100. Then prepare a firmware upgrade for the variant with WAP capabilities to replace them with a more modern, very optimized, stack and have it installed on the (millions of) remaining devices. Then deal with carriers convincing them to provide ad-hoc 2G CSD service. Finally setting up internet services for the puny device. One can always dream.

cyanydeez• 26 days ago

does this have some weird ad tech? It turns white screen on me.

blu3h4t• 26 days ago

I bought and used sailfish on a Sony phone (also had a second one), with my work issued SIM card for mainly calling as a test, it also had a few popular messaging apps like WhatsApp and whatnot, maybe for 5 years, but got tired of the interface and apps mediocrity. On a personal phone after several years and several mediocre android phones that had to be switched way too often for my tastes I switched to an iPhone. And as I expected cause had a Mac 20 years ago, despite using Linux for all these years, God what a pleasure to use an iPhone. But anyway got tired of that sailfish phone and replaced it with an older pixel + graphene, not as huge as iPhone but still much better than the sailfish os, in both app support and interface. If you ask me this are the only tho decent phones now an iPhone or graphene. That Sony is running murena now I think cause it’s on the table getting an update once in a while.

mistyvales• 26 days ago

I'm getting Nokia N9 MeeGo vibes from this. Also reminded me of the tablet debacle which I suppose is ancient history at this point..

mempko• 26 days ago

There is a reason Jolla is ex Nokia people who made MeeGo. Sailfish (the OS) is a direct distended.

Cider99862• 26 days ago

Funnily enough, the privacy subreddit has banned all mentions of alternative phone operating systems.

shmerl• 26 days ago

Does it work with US networks?

samat• 26 days ago

Built in multi user capability is so enticing

taffydavid• 26 days ago

Still sort of blows my mind that people regularly pay 600+ for new phones, and that's not even considered expensive.

I've only ever bought refurbished or budget ones

bit_economist• 26 days ago

No headphone jack? They show a photo of wired earbuds on the product page.

erzo152817• 26 days ago

Moto g 05

abc422• 23 days ago

I'm much more interested in the Commodore phone because of its form factor. They chose to use the same operating system as Jolla.

jooseppi2• 14 days ago

Jolla Phone 2026 is way better than C2, which was not even made by Jolla. This is a phoen that is made in Finland, OS is secure and field prooven for over 10years. GrapheneOS is just Android, Java bloat, Sailfish is pure Linux with Qt interface, which is also from Finland and used in automotive / industrial.

Seems to be a quality phone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wz_UGm9azOs

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