OpenAI DayBreak – GPT-5.5-Cyber

https://openai.com/index/daybreak-securing-the-world/

by AaronO • 30 days ago

221 174 30 days ago

ramon156• 30 days ago

AI companies yearn for otgs built on AI tools

lionkor2• 30 days ago

This is how you do it when you're not AS childish. You go "here's a model for cybersecurity" and put a price on it. I know they're releasing it to some vendors first, etc. but the lack of a clown spectacle is nice.

The whole "it's too dangerous to release!" is complete hogwash.

A person can take a hammer, walk out in the street, and we can count how many people he can kill with the hammer before he is stopped. My local hardware store still sells hammers, and I haven't seen the CEO of it claim that their hammers are much more dangerous and it's totally going to end the world if you allow any random person to have one!

raincole2• 30 days ago

It's amusing that what Anthropic does is basically:

1. Browse the internet

2. See what people hate about OpenAI

3. Adopt the worse version of it

4. Profit?

Sam Altman fearmongered about AI alignment - we fearmonger harder.

OpenAI is CloseAI now - we are even less open.

OpenAI is going to IPO - we IPO first.

ralphington• 30 days ago

I don't have a horse in the race, but these comments are remarkably toxic. This reminds me of the RTFM epidemic on early Stack overflow.

bob1029• 30 days ago

The risk of catching federal charges, proper jail time and aggressive responses from law enforcement is a far more effective means of preventing malicious behavior than anything proposed so far.

I can go into stores that sell things that are much more dangerous than hammers (or frontier cyber models) and no one will give me a hard time about it.

ragequittah• 30 days ago

If that hammer could allow people to go into people's homes / work en masse, steal all their information, blackmail them, steal their identities, break their systems (including those of hospitals and other critical infrastructure) and generally help fund bad actors through it all we'd think of having restrictions on hammers too. A hammer can't screw people over by the millions.

I don't like this argument specifically with AI. Facial recognition everywhere you go is just a tool. Your job creating a detailed profile on exactly how you work, who you talk to, and about what is just a tool. The tools have become so good and easy to use we have to have serious discussions about them before things get out of hand.

OutOfHere4• 30 days ago

Did you see how close the non-sheltered available models come? They come quite close. Most people aren't even using them for this purpose, but they could, and this is our reality. This is why your argument fails.

estearum6• 29 days ago

Does your local store sell aerosolized anthrax?

lionkor2• 29 days ago

No, because (and you're never going to believe this) there is regulation, laws, and it's being enforced.

brcmthrowaway• 30 days ago

Gamechanger

daflip• 30 days ago

I guess eventually the whole process can be completely autonomous, what could possibly go wrong :-)

throwaway888abc• 30 days ago

Can someone on HN with access to it fix the Fable / Mythos so it's secure to use again and therefore available ?

arikrahman• 30 days ago

It's good looking forward to wrapping it around Reasonix

taspeotis3• 30 days ago

I don't know what the solution to this is, but I find it somewhat unfair that I pay money to Anthropic, and I pay money to OpenAI, and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on.

Admittedly Opus 4.8 xhigh does a good job, but are my customers not entitled to have more security from a Fable/Mythos or GPT-5.5-Cyber audit over the codebase? Or I guess the inverse question: why aren't they allowed that audit?

(Fable/Mythos being unavailable notwithstanding.)

It seems OpenAI will at least let me do this narrowly, at greater cost, by using one of their partners. But I already pay them money!

MrOrelliOReilly• 30 days ago

I'm not sure I follow your logic. Paying for a service does not mean you get access to all potential services a provider offers. Providers can choose to keep some services internal.

Silly example: I pay Netflix for their most basic plan, so I get ads. Just because I already pay them money, doesn't mean I have a right to no ads! It also doesn't mean I have a right to 8k streaming; maybe Netflix reserves that for their internal cinema.

Intermernet• 30 days ago

When Netflix launched, you got the service without ads. That has changed. That's what's known as a rug-pull.

NichoPaolucci• 30 days ago

Both companies offer "MAX" or "PRO" plans - and the best models were available to those customers. This new wave of "It's too dangerous for the public" is a new initiative from both companies.

I agree with your overall sentiment. Paying for "Claude Mini" doesn't get you "Claude Maximos".

However, the overall precedent that the companies have set is that if you pay for the top tier subscription, you get the top tier model. That's not true any more.

dgellow• 30 days ago

You have the right to complain and ask for more though

re-thc3• 29 days ago

Paying for a service does not mean you get access to all potential services a provider offers. Providers can choose to keep some services internal.

The problem most people have is "the logic".

Sure you can keep it internal. Sure you can not offer it to everyone.

No then it is not for "world security", "world peace" or some other "explanation".

anon373839• 30 days ago

The problem is even worse than that. OpenAI and Anthropic have your source code and superior knowledge of its vulnerabilities. All you can do is hope that they won't one day use it against you.

theplumber2• 30 days ago

But they will! Or the government or the xyz agency !

stainablesteel• 29 days ago

or accidentally hand the information over to someone who will

philstephenson• 29 days ago

To what end?

ddxv• 30 days ago

I think using open weight models will solve this. I believe they are nearly caught up and much of the gains are in the harnesses or properly orchestration of subqueries. (I'm no expert, just my opinion).

When the open weight models catch up, if they don't get lobbied and banned by OpenAi and Anthropic, then you'll be able to use them to properly secure your software.

chillfox• 30 days ago

Pretty sure the secret sauce is in the summarised thinking. Maybe better though process… But I have a feeling it’s server side tools and a scratch space to prepare the reply.

Sometimes the summarised thoughts include stuff that makes no sense unless it’s got a workspace on the server. Stuff like “I am now writing x to file y”.

energy123• 30 days ago

I'm no cyber expert, maybe one can weigh in.

Are there zero days that only a true genius can discover? Or can a smart-enough model, run over the codebase for enough time, discover them all?

Like as we get smarter and smarter models do we expect each new generation to keep finding vulnerabilities, or to plateaue?

ben_w7• 30 days ago

While I appreciate the desire to have the best:

Or I guess the inverse question: why aren't they allowed that audit?

There's undeniably a lot of unsecured software in the world.

Given that ID verification is hard and these companies are clearly new at it (or don't understand the implications of it, cough Worldcoin's eye-scanning orbs cough), which is worse:

(1) sufficiently good AI* is released to everyone: critical infrastructure and open source projects gets better hacking tools to white-hack their own code at exactly the same time as black hat hackers

(2) sufficiently good AI* is released to critical infrastructure and open source projects first: everyone else, the average paying customer has to wait but so too do the black hats

Because (2) is either the status quo or better depending on if you have access or not; and because (1) seems to me to lead to an acceleration of zero-days, I lean towards (1) being the worse.

* having no experience of pen-testing, I take no position on if this is "it" or not

akmiller5• 29 days ago

1 assumes that some "private entity" gets to decide what is crucial infrastructure and what is not, what gets the opportunity to be patched and what doesn't.

I'm not ok with that and don't know why anyone would be.

i2km• 30 days ago

Surely what's coming is them offering to fix your vulnerabilities via higher-margin professional services?

milkshakes4• 30 days ago

take a look at this bug and the chain required to exploit it:

https://projectzero.google/2021/12/a-deep-dive-into-nso-zero...

https://projectzero.google/2022/03/forcedentry-sandbox-escap...

exploiting vulnerabilities on hardened targets isn't just in a different league from finding them, it is a different sport altogether.

put simply, it's the difference between an integer overflow leading to a sandbox escaping RCE and one that leads to a crash.

Codex Security and 5.5/5.6 are still very good finding vulnerable code -- they will identify and fix unsafe behavior, but they will refuse to help you with exploitation -- they will actively prevent you from taking any steps to weaponize the unsafe behavior that are not required to remediate it. they will err conservative here, but for the most part they will still let you discover and address a wide range and depth of vulnerabilities. you can verify yourself to turn off the most basic safeguards and sign up through a more rigorous process for a spectrum of TAC options.

obviously there is a balance here -- openai wants to empower defenders while at the same time not exposing capabilities to the adversaries that would overwhelm defenders. there is no "right" answer. it is a work in progress. this is an intentional and deliberate decision to provide defenders with a (temporary, dwindling) advantage.

the example i chose was pretty extreme, but the underlying principle -- enable visibility discovery and remediation, but make it difficult to weaponize and defeat countermeasures makes sense given the bigger picture, IMO.

this calm before the storm is not going to last for very long, and defenders need every advantage they can get to get their houses in order before these capabilities are widely commoditized.

piokoch• 30 days ago

Soon, very soon, if you will need something useful, like medical advice, financial advice, you will be told that, well, ok, but you need to pay for an "extended license" that gonna be in thousands of dollars per month, otherwise you need to hire someone who paid that money.

The only hope are Chinese models, as Chinese commies are playing a different game as long as they are behind the flagship models (but it will change soon, like with cheap Chinese cars) and maybe, finally, Europe will start working on their solutions, instead of regulations.

infecto7• 29 days ago

That sounds too dire. My suspicion is building a model either as a derivative or brand new is a solved problem. There are indeed capital constraints today but would wager that over the horizon those go down. If one business is restricting access to something great over the medium term other companies will step up.

dist-epoch3• 30 days ago

If you can buy a gun from a weapons manufacturer it doesn't mean they should also allow you to buy a rocket launcher.

akmiller5• 29 days ago

First of all, these products are "legal". I think the point is more that we pay for your top subscription but you've decided that a handful of companies that you pick get access to the best of the best now and everyone else has to wait and perhaps they may be allowed access at some point...if deemed worthy.

You want the few leading AI companies in the U.S. to work under the model where they (and potentially the U.S. gov't) gets to decide who gets access to what compute? If you are fine paying into that model, then good for you...just a matter of time before they cut you off and you have no ramifications.

thinkingtoilet• 29 days ago

Why is it unfair? Are you entitled to them? They released a product and you are paying for it. If you don't like the product, don't pay for it and don't use it.

tqwhite2• 29 days ago

At least, pay them for the inferior intelligence until Donald Trump says you can.

gavinray2• 29 days ago

  > and neither of them will let me use their best models for securing the software I work on.

I mean, are you saying you submitted a Trusted Access application to both OpenAI + Anthropic and they BOTH declined it?

I have Verified/Trusted Access on both of them and I don't even work in Cyber.

I filled it out as an individual using my own Org ID and I got accepted to both of them, lol.

taspeotis3• 29 days ago

So I got turned off the OpenAI form because it’s pretty heavily geared towards “enterprise” which I’m not. But I’ll have a stab at it later.

What’s the equivalent form for Anthropic please? The closest I got from Google was Claude Security’s “contact sales.”

giwook• 29 days ago

Because while you may be a good actor, there are just as many bad actors out there.

How does Anthropic or OpenAI differentiate between the two?

Once you solve that, you can get access to Mythos ;)

avaer• 29 days ago

More importantly who gets to decide good or bad?

Remember all of these models are based on unimaginable levels of copyright infringement. Is OpenAI a bad actor, that they use their models to infringe on the rights of others?

This isn't a moral argument. This is all about power and money, not good or bad. That includes the Mythos ban. Good vs bad actors is political theater designed to distract from what's actually going on.

re-thc3• 29 days ago

How does Anthropic or OpenAI differentiate between the two?

So if they can't why do some companies still get access today? Just 1s much bigger than "us".

It's the equivalent of saying a company like Amazon or Cloudflare should block access to web hosting or "illegal hosting". The argument back then was they aren't gatekeepers? But now they are?

pizlonator2• 29 days ago

It is super unfair

It creates a two tier system - those who have access and those who do not. Worse, it’s some corpo making the decision

freedomben3• 29 days ago

Remember when access for all used to be a high priority for AI? I do. I noticed they don't talk about that anymore

peterspath• 29 days ago

It is unfair and not useful at all.

If a criminal organisation (include here some countries) want to be deterred. We should all have access so we can improve security of our products.

Because the people that want to do evil, will do it anyway. They will build a myths, fables, and cyber clone.

I dislike the hypocrisy of it. Oeh ah it’s too dangerous, criminals can make use of this. But at the same time they themselves stole a whole lot of data to be trained on.

andai• 29 days ago

At least on their benchmark, the regular, public GPT-5.5 is basically at Mythos level already. (2% difference on CyberGym)

They didn't test Opus 4.8, but it probably isn't very far behind.

neural_thing2• 29 days ago

I pay United airlines the price of an economy ticket, it's so unfair I don't get to fly in first class

freedomben3• 29 days ago

If you want this analogy be correct, then you need to rewrite it to a world where you are not allowed to buy first class tickets at any price. Only people who work for a giant corporation that is blessed are allowed to buy first class, well you are only sold a coach seat. That doesn't sound very fair to me

tetrisgm• 30 days ago

It's a pretty interesting opportunity. I wonder if they will reach to companies and tell them how many things they could fix and how many are critical, before selling them the solution.

KeplerBoy• 30 days ago

If they won't, some consultant with a subscription eventually will.

spwa4• 30 days ago

Does the EU CRA now mean that every European company that either sells software or sells anything that has a software component is now forced to pay for this by September and update their software?

mentalgear• 30 days ago

No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government, while Anthropic's (their competitor) model has been pulled weeks prior by the administration for 'security' reasons.

It certainly has nothing to do with openAI's co-founders donating to the current administrations election fund, are actively supporting the DoW war efforts of autonomous weapons and also otherwise being ideology tightly coupled with the current US government.

flanked-evergl• 30 days ago

Do you think that Anthropic's models would have been pulled if they did not say for months how their models is basically going to break the whole internet and that governments should most definitely restrict AI? I doubt it.

The problem is, though, given Anthropic have said all of that, they really have very little grounds for objecting to the US government's intervention here. Everything that the government would have to prove to justify their intervention has already been freely admitted by Anthropic, even though the "admission" was maybe more intended as a marketing ploy.

netdur• 30 days ago

Why do you want to tax openai on anthropic's fud mistake?

postalcoder• 30 days ago

Man, some of you will invent conspiracy theories to justify some deeply cynical fiction. OAI has been more proactive about doing customer KYC than A\.

OpenAI, four months ago, started to require users to verify their identity if they flagged their activities on frontier models (gpt-5.3-codex and higher) as risky. Their filters were originally quite coarse and it resulted in a ton of normal tasks being flagged. There was a lot of drama about it at the time, but it seems like things have smoothed out.

KYC goes back to a year or two ago. API access to gpt-image-1 required it.

https://openai.com/index/trusted-access-for-cyber/

blahblaher• 30 days ago

And some of you really are ingenuous... Like the US government cares anything about that.

mijoharas3• 30 days ago

Oh! So the new openai model is limited to US residents and they use their existing KYC process to verify it?

That makes sense if both openai and anthropic have export restrictions on their similar models. If they didn't then it seems like the comment you're replying to may be correct.

frankacter2• 30 days ago

No one commenting on the fact that oAI is releasing a Claude Mythos-class model - with apparent 0 restrictions or concerns by the US government

We don't know that it is Mythos level, it could very well be at (guardrailed) Fable or below.

This is not a wide open distribution, this is only being provided to hand picked partners, similar to how Mythos was distributed (unlike Fable which had wider distribution)

The larger question, which I don't see an answer to in this post:

1) was this tested and validated by the US Government?

2) is the list of partners vetted by the US Government?

If This is "mythos-class" AND

   OpenAI approves SK Telecom as a trusted partner ( https://www.wired.com/story/sk-telecom-anthropic-mythos-export-controls/ )

   OpenAI did not get approval.

will this be shut down as quick? Otherwise, it is not really a comparable scenario.

arcanemachiner• 30 days ago

Isn't Fable just Mythos + prompt guardrails?

maxbond• 30 days ago

Entirely possible but let's give it some time to see if they try to make it GA and if the DoD sends them a letter.

postepowanieadm• 30 days ago

Maybe if Anthropic haven't called it too dangerous for public things could be different?

ninjalanternshk• 30 days ago

We should be basing public policy on facts not marketing language.

signatoremo• 29 days ago

Huh? This is like saying "Maybe she should not be wearing too revealing dress" about a rape victim.

FergusArgyll• 30 days ago

It's 1) Not mythos class 2) restricted to "security partners"

mijoharas3• 30 days ago

They at least claim that it is greater than Mythos class[0]

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48642254

ReptileMan• 30 days ago

"Let’s just say that if complete and utter chaos was lightning, then he’d be the sort to stand on a hilltop in a thunderstorm wearing wet copper armour and shouting 'All gods are bastards'."

This quote from Pratchett pretty well summarizes Anthropic marketing approach. OAI are quite more restrained in advertising their model's doomsday abilities which greatly diminishes the pretexts that USG can use.

Two things can both be true - that Trump's administration is petty and vindicative and that Anthropic are reckless and not doing their best in winning hearts and minds.

scrollop• 30 days ago

Interesting beside the time when Anthropic were banned for not allowing the MoW to use claude to kill people, then OpenAI come in and swoop up the contract.

estearum6• 29 days ago

That's not what happened.

DoD signed a contract with Anthropic that said it can't use Claude 1) to run a fully-autonomous killchain or 2) to surveil Americans.

DoD then decided they did not want to abide by the contract they signed, and they've since launched a pressure campaign to coerce Anthropic into reneging on the terms they already agreed to.

beshur• 30 days ago

Guess this is how capitalism works? The bestest example we might get from the original inventors so to say.

snaking0776• 29 days ago

I feel like we’re all just operating on vibes at this point (including the government). These models are already powerful and could probably be used to do some bad things even without the next gen.

Anthropic has successfully made their vibe the bringers of the end of the world so please stop us. ChatGPT is in some weird middle ground where they’re no longer the evil company of a year ago and are trying to act like the mature one in the business. XAI is the vanity project of a jealous kid who wants to ignore anyone elses opinion but is falling behind. Gemini is viewed as the less cool cousin and no one pays attention to since google has generally avoided the end of the world talk (coincidentally I think gemini has the best non-coding model but no one seems to talk about that)

I think each company has been treated in the wider discourse based on their vibe and no one is operating on facts here since it’s all pretty obfuscated intentionally. I could see some things going very bad as a result of these models but I also don’t believe anyone who’s just pattern matching to their favorite scifi book here and we’re all playing into it. May as well go outside for a bit and enjoy the sun.

catigula• 29 days ago

Conspiracy theory. You should be shamed for this idea.

Mythos is a serious model; the NSA said it compromised them in hours.

This is a marketing article.

toufka• 29 days ago

Also the fact that the president’s daughter, son in law, and his brother have a significant amount of their net worth invested in OpenAI via Thrive.

theplumber2• 30 days ago

Ok so why I don’t have access to this if I already pay for the max plan? Should I pay a security researcher to run codex on my code? Is this how it is supposed to work? Let’s hope we get some real cyber models that people can actually use from the Chinese without the stupid application forms.

baq5• 30 days ago

Why do you think you should have access…? People who pay enterprise API rates also don’t if this makes you feel better (it shouldn’t, you shouldn’t have felt bad in the first place)

civet_java3• 30 days ago

I'm not sure I understand what you're arguing for? There are massive companies that collectively profiting off of stolen IP and are now gatekeeping even their paid offerings - surely consumers will rail against this? Personally, I feel very bad and can't wait for Chinese models to continue improving as much as they can prior OpenAI's and Anthropic's IPOs.

infecto7• 29 days ago

Why does paying for the max plan build the expectation that you get access to everything?

armenarmen2• 29 days ago

“Max” leads me to believe I have the maximum level of access

elashri• 30 days ago

I think if nothing happens from the government, then this would be a very good example of the benefit of keeping your mouse shut especially if you are lying to get some hype like Anthropic did for months.

GL26• 30 days ago

Would love to see the benchmark comparison between Mythos / Fable and GPT-5.5-Cyber

mijoharas3• 30 days ago

Do you mean full benchmarks? Because from the article they claim 85.6 for 5.5-Cyber vs. 83.8 for mythos on Cybergym.

sigbeta• 30 days ago

whats the point of a benchmark if its not deployable? another glasswing pr stunt to me

baq5• 30 days ago

Definitely a PR stunt that I had to reboot my boxen every other day in May for security patches

lisa_luoyf• 30 days ago

Interesting release. I’m most curious about how well this holds up in messy real-world environments, since that’s usually where specialized benchmark gains get tested.

Recursing• 30 days ago

I see a lot of knee-jerk comments to this, but I highly recommend running a scan ( https://openai.com/daybreak/codex-security-plugin/#codex-cli ) in your projects so you can evaluate it yourself. It found a real security issue in a project of mine, with very few false-positives.

Its built-in resume mechanism didn't work after it crashed when running out of my 5 hour session limit, but Claude Code was easily able to resume it 5 hours later reading the session logs and https://openai.com/codex/security/scan.sh

egorfine6• 30 days ago

I read this news as white noise because there is no scenario in which I will be allowed access to this model. First, I happen to be a citizen of a country that is not the USA. What's more shocking is that I'm not even located in the US. Thus in the eyes of OpenAI I do not exist in regard to SOTA security models. Second, I will never ever do KYC with a company that provides text transformation services*. Third, even if I did, I will not be able to pass KYC because the typical KYC requirements are strictly tailored to a certain subset of the world's population and lifestyle choices, tuned by Americans according to their world view. Fourth, even if I pass KYC, my account will be banned by OpenAI immediately on the first prompt because they have close to 1B users and couldn't care less about any single one of them.

(*) which are nothing short of amazing and are changing the world, there's no doubt about that.

bilekas2• 30 days ago

There is so much to unpack here.

Thus in the eyes of OpenAI I do not exist in regard to SOTA security models.

I'm not seeing anywhere it says it's only limited to the U.S. Only that they had 'ongoing dialogue' with them. Which reads weird to me, how can an ongoing dialogue be past tense? But I digress.

We’ve had ongoing dialogue with the U.S. government about our cyber approach, including today’s announcements and on our preparation for upcoming model releases.
Third, even if I did, I will not be able to pass KYC because the typical KYC requirements are strictly tailored to a certain subset of the world's population and lifestyle choices, tuned by Americans according to their world view.

KYC is just that, Know Your Customer, if your 'permitted customers' are security researchers in the industry with a proven identity of employment etc then that is the KYC process, I don't see any issues with that.

even if I pass KYC, my account will be banned by OpenAI immediately on the first prompt because they have close to 1B users and couldn't care less about any single one of them

Why do you assume this? Are you planning on intentionally trying to do something actively nefarious ? It's such a strange take.

egorfine6• 30 days ago

how can an ongoing dialogue be past tense?

Easy: it can be considered past tense in case "ongoing dialogue" is a corporatespeak for "f..k you". Which I believe is the case here. But that's an opinion.

Know Your Customer [..] I don't see any issues with that

This might be the case if you're coming from a standpoint I have mentioned: the American one. This is a world view where everybody have physical paper documents proving residence, every labour effort is arranged in a very specific legal framework, every person have an address in a specific format, every person has one of just a few types of ID documents, etc, etc.

Problem is, the world have vast, vast differences in all of the mentioned areas and KYC companies couldn't care less because they are a business and they make money by KYCing as much people as possible for as little spend as possible. Thus they simply ignore any case that's not mainstream no matter how perfectly legal it is.

Being a digital nomad I cannot pass KYC at the vast majority of online services. My passport is under no sanctions, I do have residency in the first world country, etc., but passing KYC at Persona and others is not possible.

> my account will be banned by OpenAI immediately Why do you assume this?

Because of the risk profile. The company has no way of knowing whether "find all security vulnerabilities in this code" is a request from a whitehat or a blackhat hacker. The risk of someone using GPT to hack yet another DeFi project for a hundred millions while mentioning OpenAI is higher than perhaps a million user accounts, let alone a single one.

dist-epoch3• 30 days ago

Second, I will never ever do KYC with a company that provides text transformation services*

I guess you would also not provide KYC to a bank that provides number additions/subtractions between database rows services

egorfine6• 30 days ago

As a society we have collectively decided that these numbers are money. Thus different rules apply.

And I'm happy to pass KYC in person, so I do have accounts in different parts of the world. It's the online KYC that's not passable for digital nomads like me.

KronisLV• 30 days ago

Since this is more powerful than Fable in some of the benchmarks, surely it'll also get export controls... right? Right?

theodorespeak• 29 days ago

Let's see if I can connect the dots as well as I think I can.

Just putting it here for posterity.

Like those movies before them, The Creator will be a cult classic in a few years.

The acting was okay, the story was okay.The vfx were great.

The premise is prophetic.

America and China will go to war over AI.

America will try and contain it for themselves. China will keep on trying to keep it accessible.

After endless negotiations between the two superpowers, there is no more room left for talking.

The free (not as in beer) AI models were always seemingly slightly worse than the proprietary American models. A barely noticeable difference on most tasks, but a difference nonetheless.

The breakthrough came when people, companies and governments began chaining and pooling models and infrastructure together,because they were free to do so, thereby creating behemoths that America could not outclass, outsmart or outspend.

And when you stake your whole future on that one thing, it's winner take all.

So for that reason they all had had to die.

And so the war began...

nova22033• 29 days ago

Chinese and Russian intel agencies can set up American shell corporations and buy all of our personal data....but using a model to secure my customer? Well...no...you can't have that.

kstkrv• 29 days ago

Is it only my feeling, that the US government rolled back the Fable release, because they wanted their guy to get to the market before Anthropic?

bwfan123• 29 days ago

Security is a great business model. You sell locks, and if thieves break in, you sell more and stronger locks. There are no consequences for the lock-maker. Similarly, AI tools can both find and fix vulnerabilities. Not only that, AI can create vulnerabilities in the code it generates. Now that is a perpetual money machine.

Oarch• 29 days ago

Realistically, what can these types of commitments look like for the AI frontier companies, moving forward?

They're releasing ever more powerful models with stronger offensive capabilities. So do they have to help bolster the defense of all existing software, just... forever?

If we advance both the offence and defense with each new release, is this sustainable?

jasonvorhe• 29 days ago

"trusted defenders" sounds really Orwellian. Reminds me of EU's "trusted flaggers": https://digital-strategy.ec.europa.eu/en/policies/trusted-fl...

I don't trust any of these people. Meanwhile I'm paying ChatGPT and Claude and can't use their top-tier levels because they assume I'm some security risk/terrorist.

Local AI is our only hope.

dofm• 29 days ago

Why not stop paying for ChatGPT and Claude, then?

Like, seriously, while you can, invest in your own stack or find cloud alternatives.

If you actually want to use these products, the easiest way you will contribute to changing their money-grubbing minds about their policies and offerings, is to stop giving them yours.

Peace of mind and control of your destiny is worth a bit of cash. And there's seemingly little risk of any kit you buy radically depreciating in cost.

I am still really cynical about all of this BS but I must say I am fully impressed by the diligence and quality of some of the open source tooling — Unsloth Studio, Opencode, Paseo, Pi, etc.

And I look at it and think: putting aside local models (and I am not sure you should, even now), is this stuff really so inferior that it's worth risking a critical dependency on a commercial cloud product that might get switched off with no notice?

_rwo• 28 days ago

ran the security 'plugin' on small app, in 15 min it eat up all of my quota - so it did exactly what I was expecting it to do

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