Apple has announced its final version of macOS for Intel

https://tedium.co/2025/06/09/apple-wwdc-intel-mac-support-ending/

by mdp2021 • 1 year ago

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mdp2021• 1 year ago

Original title:

# The Exit Strategy // After two decades, Apple has announced its final version of MacOS for Intel. Guess that means Hackintoshing is done, too

leakycap2• 1 year ago

I appreciate them giving this kind of heads up; I'll be able to buy even cheaper used Intel machines much sooner.

guappa4• 1 year ago

Why would you want that? Not like they work especially well with linux.

UberFly• 1 year ago

They work great with Linux.

leakycap2• 1 year ago

The giant stable of macOS software & hardware I currently use didn't break overnight, and most of it doesn't work with linux.

An i9/32GB RAM MBP now costs under $350 used. It will only get better.

rock_artist3• 1 year ago

The interesting questions are:

- When will their toolset drop support for compiling for Intel / x86_64?

- When will they drop Rosetta2?

Compiling/delivering universal binaries is something that as a developer, especially for some markets, you’d like to keep. meaning we try to support older Macs as possible.

For Rosetta2, it might be less needed with all apps transitioned, but for developers using containers, it might be more important to have Intel based containers for a longer period.

risho• 1 year ago

seems like rosetta 2 will be around for a long time, especially considering they are still putting dev effort into game porting toolkit which is heavily dependent on rosetta 2.

camillomiller• 1 year ago

I have answers ;)

• Rosetta will remain available as a general-purpose tool through macOS 27 to help developers migrate their Intel apps, with limited gaming-focused functionality continuing beyond that timeframe

• Intel-based Macs will continue receiving security updates for 3 years following macOS Tahoe

• After the general Rosetta support ends, Apple will maintain a subset of Rosetta functionality specifically for older unmaintained gaming titles that depend on Intel-based frameworks

necubi• 1 year ago

Rosetta is also very useful for running x86 Linux containers for dev workflows. Hopefully that will continue to be supported.

nottorp2• 1 year ago

Hmm sounds to me like Wine will die then, since it's an x86 application relying on Rosetta to run?

Apple killing gaming on their platform again, like they did with the 32->64 bit transition...

No, "new" ports to arm of 5 year old games sold at full price as app store exclusives don't count...

conradev• 1 year ago

Which version of Xcode drops the last Intel SDK as a deployment target?

kombine2• 1 year ago

Intel-based Macs will continue receiving security updates for 3 years following macOS Tahoe

This is is great to hear, but even 3 years are probably not enough. 2020-made computers should be used 5+ years more.

la_oveja• 1 year ago

if i have a 2019 imac (coffee lake) for ios mobile development, how long will i be able to use it for that purpose? i am going to face xcode limitations? will i be able to still push to the app store in the years to come?

rock_artist3• 1 year ago

After the general Rosetta support ends, Apple will maintain a subset of Rosetta functionality specifically for older unmaintained gaming titles that depend on Intel-based frameworks

I guess Apple Rosetta support will be a mix of interests.

1. Apple currently has interest in getting games on their platform. They even made a debugger tool running on Windows so a game dev could profile/debug from his Windows machine :)

2. Unless Apple will have enough power (meaning they will have leverage over games devs), they won't be able to decide when they completely drop Rosetta2.

3. Most likely that companies with personal connections with key people at Apple would take part in when/if the pull the plug on Rosetta2. I guess big software companies might be able to convince Apple is they'll decide to remove it prematurely.

izacus• 1 year ago

For Rosetta2, it might be less needed with all apps transitioned, but for developers using containers, it might be more important to have Intel based containers for a longer period.

Most of the games I have from Steam/GoG on my M1 Mac are running through Rosetta2 ... and that probably won't change in the future.

It seems like dropping Rosetta2 is yet another way for Apple to murder their own relevancy for any kind of gaming... despite ok hardware.

rollcat5• 1 year ago

This.

Apple in the past couple of years was all like, "oh look, gaming on macOS is good now".

I can run a 1995 game OOB on my Windows laptop in 2025.

My question is: on macOS, what's the actual market for casual games, like most of what's on Apple Arcade - especially against iOS? What's the market for the few AAA titles they promote - vs Windows?

People want their existing libraries. With Arm64 in the way, developers who up until now only had to target x86, will care even less. Factorio only cared because they already had a Switch port underway: <https://www.factorio.com/blog/post/fff-371>

Dropping Rosetta2 will be the final nail in the coffin. If Apple did actually care about games, they would strike a deal with Codeweavers to integrate Crossover directly with the system.

Maybe I'll finally get a proper Windows gaming machine.

fsflover7• 1 year ago

When will they drop Rosetta2?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44238145

Springtime• 1 year ago

Which also marks the end of being able to run non-Arm based Windows on Macs natively.

mrkstu• 1 year ago

When you have ARM Windows available that can run Intel Windows software, I don't think that really matters.

tonyedgecombe• 1 year ago

Isn’t bootcamp there for legacy Windows apps rather than stuff compiled for ARM?

ksec7• 1 year ago

At home, I am still on my Early 2015 MacBook Pro running latest macOS with OpenCore patcher. As long as you don't use Safari because Cloudflare think you are a bot it is mostly fine.

The problem with all MacBook after my generation is their keyboard sucks. They have some variant and tiny improvement every year but it still sucks. The 1.5mm key travel is about the minimum I could take. Both butterfly and new scissors, despite giving them time I never quite come to terms with it.

But I guess this is one more year of macOS and perhaps two more for Safari + security. 2028 will be the final deadline.

Cu3PO42• 1 year ago

I actually disagree. I really like the keyboard on the current MBP and would describe it as a significant departure from the butterfly keyboard that came after your model.

That said, keyboards are personal preference, so I wish you luck in finding a good replacement. I also quite enjoy current ThinkPads.

danielbln• 1 year ago

Yeah, I thought the 2016-2019 keyboards were absolute ass, but they fixed it with from the M1 laptops onwards.

dontlaugh• 1 year ago

They’re much better, for sure. They’re even pretty good.

But the 2015 keyboards are still superior.

ksec7• 1 year ago

The new MBP is indeed significant departure from Butterfly. But the new scissors it is still not back to old scissors key travel. And only works well with touch typist.

If I remember correctly the current Thinkpad should have the same key travel distance as my MBP / old scissors.

But new scissors definitely have better key stability, something carried forward from butterfly ( although not as good as butterfly ). And for people who have preference with key stability it is a better choice.

noduerme5• 1 year ago

I'm surprised... what encouraged you to update MacOS? I'm on the first M1 Macbook from 2020 and have not allowed a single OS update. The first thing I do with a mac is use Little Snitch to block all apple IP addresses, and delete all their built in apps. I still have an Air from 2015 and one from 2009, a Titanium from 2004 and a chunky old Powerbook 3400 from the 1990s that all run fine. One or two a decade.

But I never update the OS because I don't want to deal with anything that might break my environment.

omnimus• 1 year ago

What might break your envinroment is malware instead.

newsclues• 1 year ago

Assuming all updates break everything is just as dumb as assuming all updates never break anything

sanswork3• 1 year ago

I have an m1 mbp and I have a 2015 sitting around somewhere and I can't really tell the different between to two. I skipped over the butterfly generation though.

The performance improvement on the m1+ just make it a no brainer for me though even if I hated the keyboard I'd carry around an external one just for the extra power.

seanicus• 1 year ago

Digression here but, man, Apple knows how to engineer a laptop that will keep on ticking. Every other laptop I've had is depricated in 2 years and virtually worthless by 5. My 2010 MBP isn't even remotely my daily driver but it is still kicking around. Only issue is a dead ram port (and there are some fixes for that I haven't attempted yet).

lostmsu• 1 year ago

Nah, this is common for laptops or PCs in general.

ndiddy• 1 year ago

I think this is because Apple doesn't sell cheap laptops, the cheapest you can buy is the $1000 Macbook Air. If you spend your $1000 on something like a Lenovo Thinkpad or Dell Latitude, it'll also last for over 10 years of active usage. I have a 15 year old Thinkpad X201 that still works fine.

aequitas• 1 year ago

I have a mid 2015 Macbook Pro 15", also with OpenCore. Running just fine. No issues with Safari and Cloudflake. Only thing is the battery was mostly dead. I replaced it with a iFixit diy battery kit, but that one died completely after just 2 years (out of warranty of course). Probably the controller board, as the cells were nowhere near empty. Now I have the choice to replace it with a cheap battery from unknown source or yet another iFixit one which costs almost the price of this laptop second hand. But I have lost trust in this iFixit product as others seem to have the same problem. Just sucks to have perfectly fine hardware locked behind another expensive battery repair.

ksec7• 1 year ago

No issues with Safari and Cloudflake

How do you get pass [Verify you are human by completing the action below] on site like https://www.phoronix.com. ?

tokinonagare• 1 year ago

I bought an early 2015 MBP (my favorite design) when the 2016 models where announced and waited until the M1 to buy a new one again, and the keyboard is good again.

netfortius• 1 year ago

It's interesting how definitive some of these decisions are, while US administration may decide one day that Intel is strategically critical for the American economy, alongside its local fabrication sources, and apple and its respective manufacturing places may not be.

aaronbrethorst• 1 year ago

Intel != x86_64. Or, at least, they cannot if they hope to survive.

kombine2• 1 year ago

Re both discontinuation of Windows 10 and Mac OS for Intel Macs: it is criminal that the two biggest corporations in the world cannot maintain softwares for millions of hardware units and force their untimely retirement.

apples_oranges• 1 year ago

Indeed. I still use my iPad 3 (15 years old or so) as a pdf and book reader and music player. The unnecessary obsolescence is annoying

beeman• 1 year ago

But what makes it obsolete if this is what you use it for?

hexagonwin• 1 year ago

Nice. Just curious, which iOS version are you running? I have one as well and the screen is great but both iOS 8 and 9 are slow as hell.

eddythompson80• 1 year ago

I agree. 10 years for windows 10 and 6 years for the 2019 Macbooks are not very close, and you have to draw the line somewhere, but I’ll catch in on the outrage

Mashimo2• 1 year ago

10 years of update for an OS is not even that bad, the problem is that there is perfectly working hardware out there that will not work with windows 11. (Unless TPU2.0 is circumvented)

perching_aix• 1 year ago

This is a bit misleading.

They haven't released a new Intel-based product / product-line since August 2020, and haven't shipped any new units of the same criteria since June 2023.

While new versions of macOS will not be available to them, macOS Tahoe will almost certainly EOL in Fall 2028. That means their Intel-based devices will have a lifetime anywhere from 5 to 8 years at worst, depending on your time of purchase.

Maybe I'm just used to this at this point, but I think this is pretty reasonable.

rmi_• 1 year ago

While Microsoft is ending support for Windows 10 completely, Apple is just stopping feature upgrades. Apple usually supports old OS versions for years to come, especially when it's the only supported version for a lot of devices. So no, Intel Macs don't need to be retired.

concinds2• 1 year ago

Only for security vulnerabilities that "Apple is aware may have been actively exploited". And almost never for any bug fixes (and sadly, Apple now tends to push off bug fixes to the next major release/"n+1" rather than fix bugs in the major version in which they were introduced).

rollcat5• 1 year ago

It's surprising enough that you can still get a few things done with a 2002 PowerBook G4: <https://www.rollc.at/posts/2024-07-02-tibook/>

The most painful parts are (1) it's a bit hot and loud under load; (2) you need to patch modern software like git, likely with little hope to upstream; (3) waiting hours for those "simple" things to compile - which, in the end, tells us something important about what we'd consider "simple" nowadays.

For both retro and previous-generation hardware, security is the most important concern. Patches for PowerPC kept coming until 2011 or so (that's almost 10 years after that particular machine was released). I'd expect the Intel Macs to keep getting official patches until 2030, and in the meantime I wouldn't be surprised to find community efforts to extend that. "Sorbet Leopard" was a thing for PPC Macs, the Hackintosh community is much stronger than back then.

petesergeant2• 1 year ago

and force their untimely retirement

At what point do you think this becomes ridiculous? Like are we angry they're not still supporting PowerPC? Would three more years have made a difference to you? 5 more? 10 more? What's the magical number would have made you happy here?

Nullabillity• 1 year ago

You're talking about a trillion dollar company, they could easily afford to keep going indefinitely.

fsflover7• 1 year ago

The moment they stop support they should release all documentation for the hardware and let enthusiasts reuse it. Planned obsolescence and electronic waste could be avoided.

myaccountonhn• 1 year ago

I think when you can't/won't anymore, make it open the hardware so enthusiasts can.

Netbsd manages to support PowerPC somehow... So yeah maybe they still should. They certainly have the money to do so.

vladvasiliu• 1 year ago

Maybe a given number of years isn't what the yardstick should be, but rather whether the hardware can still be reasonably used.

For example, I have a 3rd gen Intel Xeon that runs circles around regular newish processors in brute processing force (think compiling and such). Yet, MS doesn't officially support it anymore with win11. I know you can circumvent the TPM requirement, which I do, so I'm still using it, but this just shows how arbitrary this limit is.

In Apple's case, at least they can say it's a different architecture and whatnot.

TiredOfLife2• 1 year ago

The funny thing is that Microsoft has versions of 10 and 11 (with the same hardware requirements as windows 10, no tpm and so on) officially supported till 2032.

ricardobeat5• 1 year ago

The last of these devices were sold in 2020. Eight years of full support is quite good (longest in the industry?), and usually you can keep using them for a good 2-3 years more, if you don't need the latest apps.

ffsm82• 1 year ago

That's false, 2020 was the last year one was introduced - not phased out

Some resellers still have them in inventory, at least I came upon one a few weeks ago.

That makes it a 3 yrs EOL situation. Pretty terrible considering the prices of these devices.

At least the notorious Chromebooks were sold super cheaply (notorious for their non-existent update policies) - not the case here

They were also still being sold by Apple the last time I bought a MacBook pro, which was around 2022 iirc

monegator• 1 year ago

I have Debian Trixie on my Mid 2012, and it's much more responsive, lightweight, and easy on battery than OSX 10.14 (which i had been using until last year.)

As long as we can install linux on it, they can drop support. I don't care a single bit

- Not being able to install debian on M3/M4 has been the only thing that keeps me from retiring that machine, I'd rather keep changing broken components and batteries, because even though moving away from x86 is the right thing to do from an efficiency point of view, we don't have an open standard between manufacturers so their ARM chip, and every other ARM chip, are effectively a proprietary architecture in which the customer ultimately lose because he has no control on its own hardware

pjmlp• 1 year ago

How else could they make their shareholders happy in the usual MBA style exponential growth that is expected from public companies at the stock exchange?

makeitdouble3• 1 year ago

FWIW you can pay Microsoft to keep getting support for Windows 10, and they also have LTS programs.

But it costs a lot, and non corporate users will probably not even know about those nor want to pay that price.

rollcat5• 1 year ago

There always were ways to "upgrade" your Windows edition (Home -> Pro, etc) through less official channels. I can imagine these "corporate" patches will also make their way somehow.

There's also enough community interest to maintain Win10 support for more legitimate projects: <https://github.com/Raphire/Win11Debloat>.

I'd also like EU to step in and mandate a continued patching period proportional to the number of deployed devices. After all, it's in their own interest: many devices used in day-to-day administration/operations likely do not need an upgrade; landfill is costly; etc.

jay_kyburz• 1 year ago

So they are going to fix the bugs in the software I already paid for, but they are not going to share them with me.

neepi2• 1 year ago

It's not that bad. My ex-partner has my old 2017 iMac and it is still supported with patches on Ventura. She's bought an M3 MBA that she hasn't set up yet because she can't be bothered.

As for Microsoft, much like the last few versions of windows, people will just continue to use it anyway. I am!

reaperducer• 1 year ago

My wife has a 2015 MacBook that she uses for occasional email and web surfing. It's somewhat slow to startup, but once it's going, it's fine for most ordinary tasks.

Like billions of other people, her phone is her computer. But she occasionally runs into a web site for work, or from a government agency, that requires a real computer.

sneak2• 1 year ago

They aren’t forcing anything. You can continue to run the OS that they have on them today, forever.

eviks3• 1 year ago

the company did not try to force this transition to happen faster than it needed to.
is ultimately unnecessary—and it would lead to a lot of good hardware ending up in landfills.

So this didn't need to happen at all

fastball• 1 year ago

That second line is about Windows 10.

smallstepforman• 1 year ago

I considered and bought Apple hardware when they transitioned to x86_64, since I run more than OSX systems. I’m not switching to Arm since I cannot run() non OSX systems. So their personal computer line is dead to me.

() I’m aware of Asahi Linux, but that is not what I run.

kristopolous2• 1 year ago

They're introductory m4 is often< $500.

I'm generally not a fan but hell, that's peanuts

Got mine for $460

bigyabai2• 1 year ago

Computers are just getting cheap, now. You can buy an equivalently specced Ryzen Mini PC for $300.

That said, cheap Macs never really grabbed my attention and more than a cheap ChromeOS box does. I want to pay for more features, not less. I already have a media transcode server, there's really nothing I could use a Mac mini for besides maybe the world's most lame set-top box.

eviks3• 1 year ago

Is Windows arm also not suitable?

henrebotha• 1 year ago

The article claims T2Linux has "largely solved" the problem of Linux on T2 Macs. Is that true? I have a 2020 MBP with touch bar & 2 Thunderbolt ports. My reading of the T2Linux project sounded a lot more negative than that, but I'd love to be shown I'm wrong.

WhyNotHugo• 1 year ago

There's a dedicated page listing the status of different hardware: https://wiki.t2linux.org/state/

Looks like keyboard, touchpad and webcam are not upstream. It's not clear to me if you need a custom kernel, or just out-of-tree drivers.

Suspend, audio and graphics are "partially working".

kachapopopow• 1 year ago

Huh, when did I miss the point that computers became phone/tablets that should be replaced every few years?

guappa4• 1 year ago

If you were selling laptops you would think differently.

esskay• 1 year ago

Nothings forcing you to replace them, they'll still work on Tahoe.

Also 2020 is the last Intel models. Late 2025 is the Tahoe release, and then you get 3 years of updates, meaning a total of 8 years of software updates for that 2020 machine.

Thats all pretty standard levels of software support, and again, it won't suddenly stop working in 2028.

daveoc64• 1 year ago

Unless you have the 2020 Intel MacBook Air, no Tahoe for you.

So less than 5 years of OS updates.

TiredOfLife2• 1 year ago

That was always the case with Apple. What changed is that Microsoft also started to arbitrary cut off support. And you couldn't just install windows to continue using the device.

maguay• 1 year ago

Curious if anyone here is using Luna Display full-time to turn an Intel iMac into a monitor for a MacBook or Mac Mini. How has it worked for you?

Less arduous than gutting an iMac to turn it into a standalone monitor but seems highly likely the latency would feel annoying.

MerlinDE• 1 year ago

I have tried it and must say it just doesn’t work well enough. Too high latency, video calls are impossible and you regularly run into arbitrary issues. I ended up buying a standalone monitor again.

mannyv3• 1 year ago

My wife has a 5k iMac, and we're thinking of just using Airplay (you can share monitors via AirPlay now, I'm not sure when Apple added that).

I tested it out the other day and it's relatively OK.

daft_pink• 1 year ago

Really hope this doesn’t mean that Rosetta 2 is going away.

mrkpdl• 1 year ago

Rosetta 2 is being ‘phased out’ over multiple years, some coverage here: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/06/apple-details-the-en...

hoppp4• 1 year ago

This mentality is why I dont buy apple products. At least the unsupported macs can use linux at some point, but then I prefer to have a linux machine from the start.

arijun• 1 year ago

What? By then the most recent intel mac will be what, 6 years old? And will continue to get security updates for the foreseeable future? Do you expect them to still be making new OS versions for PowerPC as well?

hoppp4• 1 year ago

Yes. Linux and some Bsd variants still have PowerPc builds. Check out NetBSD.

makeitdouble3• 1 year ago

I'd be with you if Apple didn't bake cloud related features into their OS. From memory, screen time management for a family member required an up to date device for instance. I also wonder if they can still be used for Apple's 2FA.

More things can be done through the web interface than before, but it's still not web first, and not being able to push a button because your OS is 6 years old is pretty frustrating.

jeanlucas• 1 year ago

What do you buy then? I'm yet to know a brand that offers that long support

hoppp4• 1 year ago

My work machine is from tuxedo computers. They sell spare parts too. I just changed my battery, all I needed was a screwdriver.

OskarS• 1 year ago

I have a sort-of controversial opinion about this: on the contrary, this is one of the reasons I really love using a mac.

As a developer, it’s super-annoying that Apple is so aggressive in deprecation stuff, it forces us to frequently spend a bunch of extra time and energy updating our stuff to make sure it’s compatible woth latest macOS.

As a user though, this means that the experience of actually using a mac feels fresh and modern, and there’s a unity in design language that isn’t available anywhere else. It doesn’t take much digging in Windows settings to find windows that feel straight out of Windows 98, because Microsoft is so terrified of breaking things. macOS just feels better because of Apple’s aggressive deprecation policies, and I very much prefer it.

goosedragons2• 1 year ago

Until you use the command line and realize Apple is still shipping some crusty ancient GPL2 version of a tool from 2006.*

I found Apple's aggressive change as a user also frustrating. I don't WANT to constantly be rebuying apps and hunting down alternatives to abandoned programs to keep doing what I was doing yesterday.

*Yes, I know why. I don't care.

dawnerd• 1 year ago

What's awful is all those imacs that can't be used as external displays. They used to have target display mode but that went away a long time ago. Such a waste.

freehorse• 1 year ago

Yeah, the single reason i consider that buying an imac makes no sense. We have a bunch of older imacs lying around at work, it is such a waste not being able to use them as external monitors.

neepi2• 1 year ago

Actually you can use them as external displays but requires some hackery. See https://ohmypizza.com/2023/04/converting-a-5k-imac-into-an-e...

But yeah agree entirely there. When upgrading from my somewhat cranky old 5k iMac a while back, I decided I'd never buy another iMac. The 24" was out. So I bought a Studio Display and a mac mini. At least I can upgrade the computer separately, which has happened already (M2 mini -> M4 mini). I expect the Studio Display to last a long time as you can actually buy parts for it.

rcarmo• 1 year ago

I have one I’ve been keeping around for this. The panel is indeed amazing, although the bezel detracts a lot from it.

mmcnl2• 1 year ago

Very strange indeed. So much for sustainability and environmental friendly.

ZeroTalent• 1 year ago

You can use an app like Duet or other apps like these.

mannyv3• 1 year ago

At some point Apple add Airplay display sharing on Macs, so you can do that.

I'll be doing that with our 5k Intel iMac. Of course the Mac has to be running, which is more power draw than a monitor alone.

flohofwoe2• 1 year ago

Maybe with this there's finally no need any longer to have those mile-wide 256 byte gaps between items in Metal uniform buffers :) (on iOS the alignment is just 16 bytes)

Also hopefully all the special-case handling for 'managed resources' can be dropped (but I guess that would also imply no longer supporting any external non-Apple GPUs).

I'm actually looking forward to a 3D-API that can fully focus on a single GPU architecture that's developed side-by-side with its 3D API - it will be a nice testing ground of what the future of 3D APIs could look like.

grishka• 1 year ago

I'm actually looking forward to a 3D-API that can fully focus on a single GPU architecture that's developed side-by-side with its 3D API - it will be a nice testing ground of what the future of 3D APIs could look like.

Aren't the graphics APIs on consoles that, more or less?

flohofwoe2• 1 year ago

I haven't done console development for a long time, but while the console vendors use their own graphics APIs, the GPUs are (more of less) off-the-shelf parts from AMD or NVIDIA, while Apple completely controls both software and hardware side, so at least theoretically they have more flexibility to harmonize hardware and software.

angst• 1 year ago

- MacOS 26, also known as macOS Tahoe, will be the last version of the operating system to work on Macs powered by Intel Processors.

- Tahoe-supporting Intel Macs will get full access to all the new features, and they'll still get security updates for the next three years.

- By 2028, they'll be out of the Apple ecosystem.

- Intel-powered Macs that will support Tahoe include the 2019 16-inch MacBook Pro, the 2020 13-inch MacBook Pro, the 2020 27-inch iMac and the 2019 Mac Pro.

aldonius• 1 year ago

will get full access to all the new features

Plenty of newer image processing and AI features are M-series only.

rdsnsca• 1 year ago

Not all features, they will have no Metal 4 support, source :

https://developer.apple.com/metal/Metal-Feature-Set-Tables.p...

Paianni• 1 year ago

That means people who bought an Intel-based Mac Pro in 2023 will only have gotten security updates for five years after purchase. Wow.

joshstrange• 1 year ago

Ahh yes, the massive number of people who bought a _Mac Pro_ in _2023_….

The only people buying a Mac Pro in 2023 are people who are buying it because they specifically need Intel and they know that Intel on the way out, but they just still need it for something.

If you purchased a Mac Pro in 2023 and didn’t realize this was happening you have no business buying a computer. No one in an Apple Store is gonna push you towards a Mac Pro, it’s a very niche product.

yurishimo2• 1 year ago

Do they even advertise them in retail locations now? Last time I was in an Apple Store, all I saw was current hardware. I think they can only be bought online.

I went to the Apple.com "find your mac" tool and even knowing what I wanted to get back, I couldn't even convince it to recommend a Mac Pro. https://www.apple.com/mac/best-mac/

ksec7• 1 year ago

Adding Another note to myself.

My Early 2015 Intel MacBook Pro has a GB6 Single Core of 974, and Multi Core 1931.

An Early 2025 M4 MacBook Air has a GB6 Single Core of 3700, and Multi Core 14600.

That is 3.7x faster at single core and ~7.5x faster in Multi Core over the span of 10 years. May be M5 is even faster.

On GPU Metal MBP 2015 is roughly ~5500 while 2025 M4 is roughly 55000. So 10x.

Edit: The M4 Pro has a TDP of 32W and PL2 of 40W. So not a very good comparison to Max 28W of Intel Core i5-5257U. But still adding it here.

M4 Pro GB6 3840, Multi Core 20400. Metal 105814.

aurareturn• 1 year ago

Since you were using a MacBook Pro, you probably want to compare the Intel chip to an M4 Pro or M4 Max.

normie30002• 1 year ago

Your 2015 M4 Air must have been an early batch.

adastra223• 1 year ago

What does this mean?

ChrisArchitect• 1 year ago

Some more earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44230509

punnerud• 1 year ago

Why the end of Hackintosh? Doesn’t Windows support ARM, so there should be machines that can support newer versions of MacOS…

ghusto• 1 year ago

The marketing bullshit preceding the statement "and so, you can go fuck yourselves because we're dropping support for your laptop" is infuriating.

Apple has announced its final version of macOS for Intel

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