OS X Lion Now Available in the US Mac App Store

http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-lion/id444303913?mt=12

by thisisblurry • 15 years ago

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Emore3• 15 years ago

It's available globally. At least if I'm allowed to extrapolate from {US, UK, Sweden}.

cmontgomeryb• 15 years ago

Doesn't seem to be available for me (UK, 13:45).

injekt• 15 years ago

UK also, 13:47, it's downloading

Emore3• 15 years ago

If you search for "Lion" it's there. It doesn't seem to be under "Featured" yet.

HSO• 15 years ago

+germany

downloading now...

tonyskn• 15 years ago

+France. Downloading now...

samuelhalle• 15 years ago

Canada too. Downloading...

lachyg• 15 years ago

Not working for me at the moment (Error: 100). Anyone else the same?

Edit: In Australia

xutopia2• 15 years ago

I'm also getting that error (with Canadian App Store).

masnick• 15 years ago

Working fine for me, just started the download. 1 hour remaining...

Edit: I'm in the US.

redguava• 15 years ago

Took me a few tries, but downloading now (in Aus).

knowtheory2• 15 years ago

I'm a bit bummed out that i have to either buy multiple copies of the upgrade, or figure out how to enable my account across my wife's machine and the other machines i have. :(

I was quite liking the unrestricted installs for 30$

silverlight• 15 years ago

I read the licensing terms and you are still allowed to install the one copy you buy across as many computers as you own (for personal use). For business use you can install it on one computer that multiple users have access to (e.g. a shared workstation/library) or you can install it on all the computers that one employee uses (e.g. desktop + laptop).

So I guess it's more of a technical/sign-in limitation than a licensing limitation.

btucker• 15 years ago

As far as I know, Mac OS X has always been sold with a single machine license (unless you bought the Family multi-pack).

knowtheory2• 15 years ago

As far as i recall, Snow Leopard was unlimited installs, that or i did toss in the extra 10-20$ for unlimited installs, i don't recall exactly (i do definitely recall buying a family pack for Leopard).

Regardless, where is that option now?

Edit: what the hell? -1 for saying that i prefer the family pack?

barumrho• 15 years ago

Would burning it to a DVD and doing a clean install still require Apple accounts? I hope not.

http://www.informationweek.com/byte/howto/personal-tech/desk...

ugh7• 15 years ago

It doesn’t require any verification.

mml6• 15 years ago

stick it on a thumb drive and sneaker-net over the installer to your wife's machine. there's no need to access iTunes during install.

ugh7• 15 years ago

Snow Leopard’s license did not allow for unlimited installs. One machine. That’s it. It has always been possible (not legal, though) to install Snow Leopard on as many machines as you wanted to. (That has been the case for every version of OS X since the beginning.) It has also always been possible to install it without even owning Leopard – even though the license didn’t allow you to. You could buy the family pack for a few dollars more but that also wasn’t unrestricted. It allowed for five users.

As for Lion, you can just log in with whatever account you want in the Mac App Store. That’s it. It’s not a problem. Logging out won’t disable any apps. You can download Lion as often as you want. (If you don’t want to use the Mac App Store you can just extract the installer DMG from the Lion app and use it to install Lion on all machines you own. This also saves you from having to download Lion twice.) The installer won’t phone home to verify whether you are allowed to install.

The license allows you to install Lion on any computer you own or control for personal use. I assume that includes your wife’s machine.

For business use you can install Lion on all machines a single person uses or on one machine several people use.

DrJokepu• 15 years ago

Launch the Mac App Store. Sign out. Sign in with the Apple ID that you purchased Lion with. Install Lion. It's really that simple.

AndyJPartridge4• 15 years ago

You can install your one bought copy on "any number of Macs you own" plus "two more copies within a VM on each machine."

gte910h13• 15 years ago

You can install this on all your machines. Just log into the mac appstore. It's like iOS not like iTunes: They don't limit the number of machines.

mml6• 15 years ago

Bleh, GM users can't download it (there's a newer version installed(!?))

c'est la vie.

quux2• 15 years ago

I'm running the GM and am downloading it right now. I did get a message saying something like "you already have a newer version of lion installer (1.04) installed, do you still want to download this?

It looks like I didn't have to pay either, I guess the app store thinks I already bought Lion, and I'm just re downloading.

ugh7• 15 years ago

How did you do that? I can’t click the button.

mmariani• 15 years ago

If you have the GM installed there's no need to download the new released version. The build numbers are the same.

orenmazor• 15 years ago

came here to find this out myself.

that means that crash I've been seeing is TotalFinder's fault.

derefr• 15 years ago

> there's a newer version installed(!?)

Yup: the GM is release 511. The Mac App Store release is 491, for some reason. (It downloads and installs an update that brings it to 511 after you restart it, though.)

awflick• 15 years ago

Word of warning just by chance my OSX hard disk was corrupted today. Luckily I had my Snow Leopard OSX disk so that I could use the disk utility to check what the problem was and attempt a repair. I had to reformat but it has made me think that keeping the disk around would be a good idea.

goatforce52• 15 years ago

Apparently it's not too hard to make a bootable Lion DVD:

http://www.macrumors.com/2011/07/18/make-an-os-x-lion-boot-d...

Tyrannosaurs3• 15 years ago

I suspect that Apple would suggest that that was what Time Machine was for.

But physical media is still nice. Supposedly you'll be able to buy a USB install for $69 next month.

napierzaza2• 15 years ago

clap clap clap

You're right. They're destroying people's information to make a few hundred dollars. Do you distill rain water because of the fluoride as well?

Things break, it's unfortunate.

mirkules2• 15 years ago

I have given up on TM because it chews up my external drives at an alarming rate. I have had three hard drives die in the last 2 years because of TM. My other drives of the same brand that didn't have TM are just fine still. Either I have extremely bad luck with WD drives, or time machine is just not a reliable backup mechanism (I'm inclined to think the latter). Plus, the drives have to be HFS formatted which is also a con for me (that I am willing to live with in exchange for a reliable backup solution).

Is anyone else experiencing these kinds of problems with TM?

coderdude• 15 years ago

Not being a Mac user, is this significant? Like when Windows is released?

checker3• 15 years ago

It's not as huge a leap as Windows XP to 7 (or Vista I guess ...), but it does bring around some improvements that people are going to be excited about.

xutopia2• 15 years ago

EDIT: I'm wrong. The release is downloading. This is indeed a very big deal but I'm really surprised they haven't made more noise about it.

gte910h13• 15 years ago

Yes, it is, but about 1/2 as much so? They release new versions every 2 years or so, and most people upgrade.

mitchty5• 15 years ago

For most users no, but for $30 its kind of hard to make excuses not to upgrade.

I'm a huge fan of the ASLR and sandboxing changes so security wise there are good reasons to upgrade.

trotsky• 15 years ago

What sandbox changes did they make? Is that the app store apps can't open documents without a user selecting them in a file chooser thing?

Yhippa2• 15 years ago

I feel that if you're a big user of the Mac native apps then this is well worth the $30. Fullscreen mode is a nice thing to have too. In the end, I don't think you can lose for $30.

machosx• 15 years ago

It's out in the UAE too. Really excited for this. Can't wait to install it.

jason_tko• 15 years ago

So... alright. Who's going first?

thenduks• 15 years ago

Been running the GM seed for quite a while now. Everything has gone smoothly.

nc• 15 years ago

Any idea on how to upgrade from the GM seed to final. It says I have a newer version and can't install it.

phillmv• 15 years ago

Can anyone tell me if homebrew still works on it? What about macvim, rvm, mysql binaries, etc?

Waiting is always the hardest part :P.

siong19872• 15 years ago

before upgrading, make sure that you can install xcode lion as well. old xcode won't work on lion.

macvim with janus plugin crashes like hell.

masklinn26• 15 years ago

Yeah that's what I'm waiting for: the state of Xcode 4 for lion (is it free, or still $5?) and the macports update.

djipko2• 15 years ago

So Xcode 3 won't work and mavcim keeps crashing. Is it like: sometimes seems unstable - crashing, or completely unusable - crashing.

Details much appreciated as it is my main editor.

Emore3• 15 years ago

Homebrew works, after you run 'brew update' (in case you haven't already, I'm guessing). Initially got erros 'Cannot defer diagnostic messages' for pr, but updated brew seems to be working well.

gordonc• 15 years ago

With every new OSX version update I just assume it's gonna take a solid 8 hours to get rails running properly again...

jeffclark• 15 years ago

MacVim crashes if you try to use the UI open/save panel.

Using :e works perfectly though.

cstuder• 15 years ago

There are new MacBook Airs too: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/ (With a currently somewhat broken webpage.)

And new Mac Minis (Whose pages are also currently broken...)

ashleyw• 15 years ago

Quad-core Mac Mini servers… http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_mac/family/mac_mi...

goatforce52• 15 years ago

And it seems as though the (white plastic) MacBooks have gone.

code_duck2• 15 years ago

Yep.. replaced by a $999 Air.

mml6• 15 years ago

and the rumored thunderbolt display

eli5• 15 years ago

Still only 4gb max memory on the Airs? That's the one thing holding me back (well, besides money)

peng• 15 years ago

I've been using a 13" MBA as my main computer for the past year, and the 4GB max is really limiting for virtualization. The laptop can choke with with all of my usual tools open (Virtualbox/Photoshop/Chrome/Terminal).

scottschulthess2• 15 years ago

I wish they would add the backlit keyboards in some manner to the Airs

ionfish• 15 years ago

They have.

http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html#backlit

rimantas3• 15 years ago

You mean this: http://www.apple.com/macbookair/features.html#backlit ?

planb• 15 years ago

They did.

nhangen• 15 years ago

Gosh, I seem to remember brand new Airs being released recently (at which point I bought an 11"). Hasn't it only been since last Fall that they've refreshed the lineup?

masklinn26• 15 years ago

It's been 9 months already (to the day).

pedrolll• 15 years ago

I think they are refreshing this fast to include Thunderbolt in everything.

itg• 15 years ago

Wow, just noticed they removed the DVD drive from the Minis.

masklinn26• 15 years ago

More precisely, they switched all minis to the "mini server" case (server was introduced in late 2009 and did not have a DVD drive, replacing it with a second HDD instead)

PhrosTT• 15 years ago

Seriously disappointing,

2gb ram in a $1000 laptop? How much more could bumping that for 4 actually cost them, $15?

4gb ram/256gb hd was expected to be the new base, not the ceiling.

Guess I'll have to wait on the other 'ultrabooks'

kamechan• 15 years ago

last year i stepped away from the apple brand. just much happier going the FOSS route.

i now have a thinkpad x220 running gentoo with the following options: IPS display, 2.7GHz core i7, 8GB 10666 RAM, 160GB intel SSD, bluetooth3, usb3, 3 usb ports (one always on), sdhc, express slot, displayport, vga, and a 15 hour battery. size is 12.5" and weight is about 3.5 pounds.

i also got a docking station for it (oh i missed those when i was a mac user), which is connected to a 2560x1440 27" display via a display port. the intelHD3000 graphics card is the same one used on the airs and for the integrated graphics on the pros so video performance is similar, while other hardware performance is much better.

i got a reasonably good deal on all of it and i likely wouldn't go back to apple with this setup. the only [minor] annoyance is that the 12.5" screen is only 1366x768. it could be a little better, but it's workable and as i wanted an ultraportable, it's not bad. the IPS option really makes for a beautiful screen.

blinkingled3• 15 years ago

How is the backwards compatibility in general? I got a Oracle 10g database running on SL that I am particularly worried about.

I got it anyways - will have to do a full backup and find out I suppose.

Speaking of 4GB downloads - OS X still does not have something like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Background_Intelligent_Transfer... which can utilize priorities, throttling and do idle bandwidth downloads. That means my VOIP calls are screwed until the download is done. Even any of the Apple routers don't do QoS stuff I guess.

[Edit] Apparently the backwards compat is not good enough for Oracle :( -

-bash: ulimit: max user processes: cannot modify limit: Invalid argument oracle@~$ sqlplus / as sysdba Segmentation fault: 11 oracle@~$

[Edit2] And the scrollbars are throwing me off but there is a setting to revert to old behavior. Xcode no longer works, JVM was removed and downloaded when I tried to use it - App Store doesn't seem to have a 10.7 compatible XCode update yet.

Ho hum for the most part and even nightmarish for people using Xcode.

shorbaji• 15 years ago

For compatibility in general, http://roaringapps.com/ looks like a decent guide.

Not sure about Oracle 10g though.

masklinn26• 15 years ago

> Xcode is no longer there

It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising.

> App Store doesn't seem to have a 10.7 compatible XCode update yet.

> Ho hum for the most part and even nightmarish for people using Xcode.

Thanks for being the coalmine canary, I'll be waiting for next week as planned.

jonknee• 15 years ago

> It was never part of the base install so that's unsurprising.

No, but it was always included along with the install disks. No install disks this time and no X Code. It's worth mentioning.

gte910h13• 15 years ago

I was told 4.1 is working fine.

mitchty5• 15 years ago

Just to note, i never bought the xcode 4 package from the app store. After I purchased snow leopard the price changed from $4.99 to free.

So while the base os install doesn't have it, it appears as though the naysayers were wrong about them charging for the dev tools. Although I have to go home and update to Lion to be able to download it, it won't let me snag it on my 10.6 system.

Just thought i'd throw that out into the wind so people don't think they need to have both bought. Though $5 is pretty miniscule imo.

tambourine_man• 15 years ago

But gcc does work right?

blinkingled3• 15 years ago

Nope - GCC is not to be found after the upgrade. I guess we will have to wait for 4.1 to become available on Mac App Store.

ceejayoz2• 15 years ago

XCode 4.1 is now on the App Store: http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/xcode/id448457090

alsocasey• 15 years ago

...and it's free again? I thought they'd gone to a 4.99$ price for some accounting reason with 4.0?

jonpaul• 15 years ago

Does the latest VMWare Fusion work right?

blinkingled3• 15 years ago

Yes 3.1.3 is working fine for me - haven't tested fully but the app starts and my suspended VMs all resume and work fine.

When will we be able to install Lion under VMWare - hopefully pretty soon now that the license allows it.

mml6• 15 years ago

yes

durin42• 15 years ago

What is the max user processes ulimit set to?

samg_• 15 years ago

There is a great post on the macports mailing list that identifies and explains some issues installed software might have after upgrading:

http://lists.macosforge.org/pipermail/macports-dev/2011-July...

I got bit by the Libc part, and I bet a lot of homebrew users will be as well. FWIW, on macports svn at least, these issues are resolved.

silversmith• 15 years ago

If you have any kind of Oracle support contract, please put in a ticket. From what I've read, Oracle has adopted 'until paying customers complain enough, we don't even know OS X 10.7 exists' stance on this.

Also, knowing how long it took them to get a working x86 client out, I wouldn't hope to use 10.7 for Oracle-related development at least till next year.

ojosilva• 15 years ago

I'm on SL and I also depend on Oracle 10g, so thanks for the note on the Seg Fault, that would be showstopper moving to Lion.

Now, I get the ulimit error on SL too, that's just that your "oracle" user is not authorized to set ulimit that high (it's in your oracle ~/.bashrc). You probably followed the installation instructions from Pythian (http://www.pythian.com/news/1937/quick-install-guide-for-ora...), just like I did. If you didn't get that error before, maybe the Lion installation has reset the max processes limit.

Here's how to check the current value:

  ojosilva@snow:~$ sysctl kern.maxprocperuid
  kern.maxprocperuid: 266

Change it like this (so it matches the ulimit -Su and -Hu values in oracle's .bashrc):

  sudo sysctl -w kern.maxprocperuid=512

Maybe that will cure your segfault. Read thru the Pythian page and recheck all your sysctl parameters. Let me know how it goes.

mindhunter2• 15 years ago

"Preparing to install. Your computer will restart automaticly."

Wait - what? Didn't they say update without restart? I told all my friends how cool it is - the first OS updating itself without a restart.

....

"Click Restart to install Mac OS X."

Okay.jpg

ugh7• 15 years ago

They never said that.

rimantas3• 15 years ago

It was a bit more subtle. I think the point was, that you don't have to restart your machine to begin the installation.

mindhunter2• 15 years ago

you're right, i misunderstood it.

code_duck2• 15 years ago

What would the point of that be, really? The one time every two years you upgrade your OS, you don't have to reboot, saving 15 seconds a year?

vacri• 15 years ago

Way back (2000? 2001?) when I was solely a windows guy, a friend was helping me install a linux box (showeq...). I can't remember the distro he used, but I do remember starting from an old windows box and installing linux, installing the applications and so forth. Two hours into playing with the new system, my friend asked if I'd noticed how many times we'd rebooted during the installation and setup - none. We installed from scratch to a functioning system without ever rebooting.

Of course, you want a reboot with any major upgrade to make sure that your system works from a cold start, but it was very cool at the time to have a working system from scratch with no reboot...

mars3• 15 years ago

i installed the developer preview of os-x lion some weeks ago. following are my first impressions. let me know how you think...

performance: at first i thought lions performance sucks, but mdworker and kextcache processes are re-initializing spotlight right after installation which slows down the system and heats up the cpu. after two hours of fan-noise and heat the system seems to be fine and is running smoothly now.

mail: the new mail is great. finally email conversations are grouped. it features a new 3-column view, which imho is sub-optimal when working with loads of emails. fortunately the classic view also supports grouped conversations. i like

launchpad: well guys. this is a super use-less feature, as i setup my application folder as a dock-folder anyhow. for me at least there's no need to have an ios view of apps on a desktop computer or notebook.

mission control: this actually combines spaces and expose. unfortunately it adds nothing to my personal workflow as i rarely use those features.

calendar: the new calendar is actually a huge disappointment as i'm working with mutliple calendars of different people (synched via google calendar). it's not possible anymore to permanently display the list of calendars in a sidebar. this suxx big time. besides that the switching of calendars with the new dropdown kind of list is totally unreliable and the calendars don't seem to update properly when working with multiple windows :( i'll probably have to switch to google calendar or something else. any recommendations for a good calendar desktop app for os-x which can handle multiple gcal accounts?

trim support for ssd: finally there's trim support for ssd drives. this is totally overdue since windows and linux support this since quite a long time. i know that this is more a long term performance feature, but actually hoped that this would increase my ssd performance. unfortunately the xbench results did not get any better. sidenode: i'm not really convinced from the ssd performance under os-x (maybe it's the apple ssds which aren't that good, but colleagues have much much better results with linux).

versions the integrated document versioning is quite cool and i'm sure this will save my * at some point in the future :)

conclusion well as stated above there are some good things about lion like mail, versions and trim support, but also several downsides. i actually expected more and am a bit disappointed. there are also some other features, like fullscreen support for apps and airdrop which i didnt really test yet...

cheers

quizbiz• 15 years ago

re:calendar for multiple gcal accounts Try BusyCal though I am in a similar situation and havn't found a good fit.

mars3• 15 years ago

thx will try it out

gkefalas• 15 years ago

BusyCal is what I'm recommending to all of our Mac-based employees and what I use on my personal machines to handle dozens of calendars across several Google & Google Apps accounts. +1 recommendation for BusyCal; absolutely worth the license.

Terretta• 15 years ago

Fantastical is the best I've found, with a superset of features from all the others.

mars3• 15 years ago

will try that one out as well, thx.

masklinn26• 15 years ago

> mail: the new mail is great. finally email conversations are grouped.

Is it grouped with the email you sent as well? Because shitty threaded convos (all mails you received) have been available since forever ago.

ComputerGuru2• 15 years ago

Yes, but by default, no.

There's a button called "show related messages" which will show your replies, forwards, and whatnot in the list.

AndyJPartridge4• 15 years ago

You can command-click any number of mailboxes to group them, and it threads them as it should.

Wonderful feature.

ojbyrne• 15 years ago

TRIM support was added in 10.6.8: http://www.macrumors.com/2011/06/27/mac-os-x-10-6-8-brings-t...

Nemisis76542• 15 years ago

I have been a Windows user since I started using computers. I am thinking of purchasing a Macbook Air. As a young programmer (going into fifth year of college), would anyone recommend this laptop?

ams6110• 15 years ago

Only if ultra light weight and portability are primary concerns. A standard MacBook Pro is a better value otherwise, IMO.

checker3• 15 years ago

After using my first MBP for a while, I'm kind of regretting getting the 15 inch. With the high-res screen, and as long as you have good eyes, the 13 seems just as functional and more portable. I love using my girlfriend's. My two cents, if Nemesis ends up going with a MBP.

eli5• 15 years ago

The only big drawback is it ain't cheap. You can even run Windows on if you really want.

iaskwhy• 15 years ago

Having an external DVD drive to install it is advised though, it is really difficult to do it with a USB drive.

daeken5• 15 years ago

The biggest drawback, by far, is the insanely low RAM. Anything less than 8GB is unusable for me, and I certainly can't be the only one.

tomstuart• 15 years ago

The (now old) 11" MacBook Air is the best laptop I've ever owned.

jpr• 15 years ago

That doesn't say much without any information about which other laptops you've owned...

microtonal7• 15 years ago

From personal experience: no.

I bought a MacBook Air in January. It's very ideal for travelling, due to its small size and weight. However, it squeezes nearly the same amount of pixels as a 13.3" MacBook Pro in a 11.8" display. So, if your eyes are a bit tired, it becomes annoying to read code. Also, the CPU is much slower (even after this refresh) than the MacBook Pro. If you use compiled languages or do a lot of data processing, this is annoying.

I returned my Air to my Apple Reseller recently, and purchased a MacBook Pro (as I had before). It's fast and a readable screen.

Since you are a programmer, you'll probably enjoy a MacBook, given OS X's UNIX underpinnings.

dgallagher2• 15 years ago

From my personal experience, I liked coding Python with Textmate on a MBA, but not Objective-C with Xcode. Py/Text didn't take up much space and was easy to work with. Obj-C/Xcode demand lots of real-estate space, so the tiny screen was a hinderance.

So I'd advise that if you have a language that's 'tiny' and a minimalist editor, you'll probably do fine on a MBA. If the language and editor take up lots of space, I'd stay away and go with something that has a bigger screen (exception if you plan on using an external monitor).

Nemisis76542• 15 years ago

I am mainly an Android developer and use Eclipse, which is by no means light...So I guess, in this case, I should stay away from the MBA?

evilduck• 15 years ago

FYI, the 13in MBA has the exact same screen resolution as the stock 15in MBP, and the 11in MBA is comparable to the 13in MBP (different ratio though), so both models can basically show the same amount of stuff on the screen (unless you were preferring something like a large iMac for XCode).

almost• 15 years ago

YMMV but I'm using an Air as my main dev machine at the moment. I bought it just because I need a mac for a few things but I seem to have ended up using it all the time. I'm used to having very small laptops though. I would say you definitely need the 128GB version, I originally partitioned mine into two 64GB partitions (I was going to put Ubuntu on the other which turned out to be very hard, but that's another story) and found that the 64GB filled up from just the OS plus the applications I use for development.

Right now I've got it plugged into a huge cinema display (which I have on loan for 6 months, it's very nice) but I have also used it quite a lot as a laptop.

I'm mostly writing Python here, so no long compiles. I imagine that would be a killer if you were working on C++ projects...

gte910h13• 15 years ago

I'd wait a year till you graduate, if you still need to buy a computer, buy the 17in and add an SSD if you are going to be doing programming, otherwise either the 13in air or 15in MBP will work fine if you need one NOW.

The 13in MBP is pretty low end without upgrading many of the components.

MBPs have tremendous resale value (especially the higher size models), so don't feel so bad about spending a few extra bucks on them.

keypusher• 15 years ago

Good lord, no. Stay away from 17", you might as well be lugging a desktop around. 13" is the sweet spot for me, MBP or MBA depending primary on memory needs and workload.

dvdhsu2• 15 years ago

The new MacBook Airs are two times faster than the last generation MacBook Airs. They are also faster than the high end 17" MacBook Pros from 2010. [1] They are about as fast as the low end 13" MacBook Pro.

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1. http://electricpig.co.uk/2011/07/20/2011-macbook-air-benchma...

2. http://www.primatelabs.ca/geekbench/mac-benchmarks/

c1sc0• 15 years ago

Anyone been running Xcode on Lion? I've kind of ignored the seeds & would like to know if it's safe to update my dev workstation, or wait until after a few updates?

microtonal7• 15 years ago

Lion + Xcode 4.1 GM crashes a few times per day while doing C++ coding on a fairly small project. Besides that, I do not see Xcode 4.1 in the App Store yet, so it's currently only available with a Mac Developer Account.

megablast• 15 years ago

If it is anything like last time, you will have to get this new OS for the next version for Xcode. Which sucks, since you already have to update itunes and your devices. It is turning into a few hours project to update everything.

masklinn26• 15 years ago

Xcode 4.1 has now been released in MAS.

pwthornton• 15 years ago

You can now get a Mac Mini with discrete graphics. If the hard drive can be replaced -- unlike the iMac -- I'd be tempted to do a Mac Mini with discrete graphics, 8 GB ram and an SSD.

Apple now offers a SSD option, but it's a $600 upgrade.

arihant• 15 years ago

It's available on Indian store too. I guess this is global.

ComputerGuru2• 15 years ago

For all the Mac Developers on ADC: This is, to the best of my knowledge and according to reports from other developers, the same as the GM release on July 1st. If you have that, you already have the final.

sleepyhead• 15 years ago

Should have known that before I clicked 'buy'. Glad I own Apple shares so I can make a profit from my unnecessary purchase.

ryannielsen2• 15 years ago

If you'd redeemed the codes Apple gave you as a registered developer, you wouldn't have been able to buy Lion – it was already purchased by your last redemption code and, like all previously purchased App Store apps, clicking that button would simply have re-downloaded the app (or, in this case, Lion's installer).

cmelbye• 15 years ago

Yikes, really? I'm still hitting a few pretty big bugs with full-screen apps and things like that. Okay then.

ry0ohki• 15 years ago

The reversing of the scrolling direction is certainly going to take a lot of getting used to. The new way feels semi-natural with the track pad, but with a mouse wheel not so much.

AndyJPartridge4• 15 years ago

You can put it back the old way in the system preferences.

Thank god!

tedkimble• 15 years ago

Give it a few days and you'll think going back to the old way will take a lot of getting used to.

AndyJPartridge4• 15 years ago

I gave it about two hours.

To me it's more intuitive to scroll my two fingers down to scroll down the page.

Granted, it is odd that it's the opposite way round on the iPhone which I use almost as much as my laptop. Go figure!

funkah• 15 years ago

Agreed on both counts. I think it's too unnatural with a mouse so I switched it back on the desktop. On my laptop I left it alone.

gte910h13• 15 years ago

I think about it as using my finger to drag the screen up or down on the mousewheel (like I'm scratching the page down or up with my fingernail). After about a week it is very disconcerting to do the opposite.

I did also need to setup my windows computer to do the opposite direction on scroll though to make the transition work (autohotkey script is on this page).

gte910h13• 15 years ago

I found the big deal was reversing my windows computer as well. (I reversed mac scrolling weeks ago with Scroll Reverser).

It's lovely once you get used to that (as scrolling matches most smart phones then)

Auto hot key script:

  WheelUp::
  Send {WheelDown}
  Return

  WheelDown::
  Send {WheelUp}
  Return

quux2• 15 years ago

Give it a week. After a couple of days your mind flips and suddenly the old way seems wrong.

rimantas3• 15 years ago

An hour or so was enough for me. Just one thing to unserdtand: you are moving content, not the window above it. It's much easier to get if you ever used any new touchscreen devices.

And the old way is wrong—the viewport never moves as we scroll so we were always moving content. Just get used to inverted scheme.

Yhippa2• 15 years ago

I actually like it so far. I'm just worried I won't get used to it on all of my other computers now.

rrrazdan3• 15 years ago

Anyone have any idea on how I can redeem the "free Lion upgrade" on my newly bought Mac?

D4236• 15 years ago

Looks like you can punch your serial here:

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?...

rrrazdan3• 15 years ago

Apparently I cant and the links arent available for India right now. http://www.apple.com/in/macosx/uptodate/

jamesu2• 15 years ago

I feel greatly let down by the Calendar and Address book apps. The whole "looks like a real office object" metaphor reminds me too much of Microsoft Bob.

Also the menu to select calendars feels poorly designed and doesn't always update correctly. The default view in mail is practically useless to me as often i tend to sort messages by date, person, or subject in order to find stuff.

So in some regards a step forwards, in others a step back.

lean• 15 years ago

A show of hands, does anyone use these apps?

I haven't used anything but a web interface for webapps for a while now. iCal and Address Book are always among the first things deleted by me on a new OSX install.

X-Istence• 15 years ago

I use those apps. I prefer not to use web based applications.

cdcarter• 15 years ago

Yes, many people do.

jamesu2• 15 years ago

I have yet to find equivalent web apps which offer equivalent security and poweruser capabilities.

ditojim• 15 years ago

i also use web apps for my mail and calendar.

benhebert• 15 years ago

I just installed it now. I run a dual screen iMac at work, but a 13 inch MB Pro at home. I think it will be a lot more useful with the macbook.

sigzero2• 15 years ago

Does Lion "reset" the file system? I have stuff like Perl and Python that I installed myself. Some stuff resides in /usr/local/bin and other stuff in ~/Library/.

Was wondering if that all got wiped on the install?

ben1040• 15 years ago

All my /usr/local remained intact on upgrade.

I believe this was the standard behavior with an upgrade install on previous OS X releases, and it got moved out of the way when you did an "archive and install."

I couldn't even find an option to archive and install on Lion, does it even exist? I would rather have done that and gotten rid of all the cruft I've accumulated.

sigzero2• 15 years ago

I was thinking of the cruft as well. But don't want to lose my iTunes settings etc.

bengl3rt2• 15 years ago

I'll echo what I said on the Siracusa thread: Has everyone managed to overlook how patently awful and useless Mission Control is on multiple monitors?

Whereas in the Spaces view in Snow Leopard I could move a window to a different space AND a different monitor with a quick drag, Mission Control doesn't allow this - I have to first move the window to the correct "Desktop", then exit MC and drag it to the correct monitor. Full Screen Apps are similarly useless on multiple monitors - regardless of which monitor the window originates on, clicking the full screen button returns it to whatever display is designated "primary". Even worse, while you're in full screen on one display, the others become useless as it blocks them out with Apple's new favorite canvas texture. Why? At first I thought all this was intentional and that Apple was leaving multi-monitor users in the dust to focus on Macs that are very close to iOS devices (11" Macbook Air comes to mind), but today they also announced a new Cinema Display that lets you daisy chain two monitors off a single Thunderbolt port. Clearly it's still a mode of operation they intend to support for some time - so why have they crippled it so horribly in this release?

vito• 15 years ago

I wish they would go the xmonad route, and simply treat each display as an independent "workspace container". Being able to switch independently (and still use the other display when using a fullscreen app) is a huge productivity gain.

bengl3rt2• 15 years ago

This past week a co-worker introduced me to Moom... he said it was the closest he would ever get to xmonad on the Mac:

http://manytricks.com/moom/

zcid• 15 years ago

This is the main reason I use linux on my mbp instead of os x. Being unable to manipulate my monitors independently is asinine.

masklinn26• 15 years ago

> so why have they crippled it so horribly in this release?

I'm guessing it's because they decided to put full-screen apps on their own space (sensible), but there's nothing else you can put in there since the application essentially is the space (if you shut down the full-screen mode, the application goes back to its original space).

Basically, lack of foresight: they built full-screen for small-screen machines (e.g. the Air) and it's just broken for multi-screen.

wesley• 15 years ago

Does anyone know of a scanner software that supports 8ish year old scanners? (epson in particular)

Since rosetta is not supported any longer, lots of scanners will not be working..

gte910h13• 15 years ago

If you have to update, the newer scansnaps are fantastic for feed scanners. Worth every dollar of the 300-500 price tag.

Jakob• 15 years ago

Vuescan supports a lot of scanners:

http://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/vuescan.htm#supported

sgt• 15 years ago

I'm not going to buy it unless I can buy a DVD with OS X Lion on it. Too much to transfer over a poor bandwidth mobile connection.

Tyrannosaurs3• 15 years ago

You'll be able to get a USB stick with it on from next month apparently though at $69 it's fairly steep.

rtrunck• 15 years ago

If you can make it to an Apple store you can apparently download it from there. http://9to5mac.com/2011/07/19/apple-retail-has-3-lion-instal...

mml6• 15 years ago

just installed on a second mac, notice that airdrop is nowhere to be seen (though it's on the GM).

masklinn26• 15 years ago

It's in the Lion features page, so it's probably there. But not all models are supported:

    AirDrop

    supports the following Mac models:

    * MacBook Pro (Late 2008 or newer)
    * MacBook Air (Late 2010 or newer)
    * MacBook (Late 2008 or newer)
    * iMac (Early 2009 or newer)
    * Mac mini (Mid 2010 or newer)
    * Mac Pro (Early 2009 with AirPort Extreme card, or Mid 2010)

mml6• 15 years ago

dammit, my mbp2,2 apparently doesn't make the cut. too bad. will have to go buy a new one :)

scottschulthess2• 15 years ago

I really wish there was a way to name spaces in Mission Control

protomyth• 15 years ago

Xcode is free for Lion http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/xcode/id448457090?mt=12

ANH• 15 years ago

I've been using the developer previews, including the GM, and OpenGL performance seems to be better. Haven't run any proper tests, but my 3D stuff does seem zippier in most cases. Still, I'll probably wait until XCode functions okay before overwriting my Snow Leopard install.

postit• 15 years ago

No full opengl 3.0 support. I'm a bit disappointed

astrange• 15 years ago

Lion fully supports OpenGL 3.2 Core Profile, but not Compatibility Profile. If you're checking the version in OpenGL Extensions Viewer, get v4 and change to Core profile.

gte910h13• 15 years ago

If you are a windows user and adore the scrolling functionality:

  WheelUp::
  Send {WheelDown}
  Return

  WheelDown::
  Send {WheelUp}
  Return

Autohotkey is your savior :OD

mitchty5• 15 years ago

Anyone that has it, will it fit on a 4g usb stick or should I buy an 8 before I get home?

callahad• 15 years ago

Disk Utility refused to write the image to a 4 GB stick, complaining about limited space. An 8 GB stick worked just fine.

mitchty5• 15 years ago

Looks like its a 4.18g uncompressed disk image actually.

cube• 15 years ago

Nice update, but I hate how they changed spaces. No grid possible anymore?! I relied heavily on switching between spaces in a non-linear way.

bodyfour4• 15 years ago

"The software could not be verified. It may have been corrupted or tampered with during downloading."

Not off to a great start here... Anybody else having this problem?

[edit: deleted it; downloaded it again from my employers network (completely different ISP just in case a particular CDN had a bad copy. Same problem! Starting to think there's a bug in the installer or something...]

LeeUmm• 15 years ago

I'm having the same issue so came here to search.

Downloaded it twice and get the exact same error. Deleted and removed from trash the first time.

Edit Reboot your machine. That worked for me. I can now install fine with the same 'corrupt' file I had before.

bodyfour4• 15 years ago

I found an Apple Support thread where some others are reporting the same issue: https://discussions.apple.com/message/15660833#15660833

I posted my md5's of the internal .dmg's from the download there. They're different from the two unsuccessful downloads but I suspect that's just App Store watermarking because they differ in so many places. Maybe someone here on HN knows the real story though.

bodyfour4• 15 years ago

Reboot didn't help for me, unfortunately. Still failed out with the same error after a minute or so.

kaffeinecoma• 15 years ago

Hmm, my two-finger swipe to move back/forward in browser history via Magic Mouse seems to invoke Spaces/Mission Control now. Anyone know how to fix that? Or what the new gesture for browser nav might be? I don't see anything helpful in System Prefs for that.

gmurphy2• 15 years ago

A small word of warning: I mostly use Windows 7 on my MacBook Air, but I decided to upgrade anyway. Unfortunately for me, the upgrade rendered my Bootcamp partition inaccessible (it doesn't show up in startup disks, and does show up in Disk Utility, but cannot be repaired).

owyn• 15 years ago

Wow, thanks for the warning. I was just about to upgrade. I have an entire drive devoted to Boot Camp I'll probably be okay? It looks like there is one error situation detected during install:

http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4649

The anandtech review implies that boot camp assistant works and the boot camp drivers (a separate download) are now 4.0 but I can't actually find them, I assume the apple updater has them.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4485/back-to-the-mac-os-x-107-...

I suspect it is probably because Lion adds a new Recovery Partition, and when it redoes the partition layout it doesn't take the boot camp partition into account. That's kind of a scary oversight.

gmurphy2• 15 years ago

Many other people have had success, but so far there doesn't seem to be a common thread between the people who've had failures.

blaenk2• 15 years ago

Does anyone know if there's a way to download it on one mac, and somehow transfer it to another so that one doesn't have to download it multiple times through the mac app store?

famousactress• 15 years ago

Yep. It's covered briefly in the linked review, but the download just puts an item in your Applications folder that can be copied to whatever and installed wherever. The license agreement even okays it for a few machines, I believe.

blaenk2• 15 years ago

Thank you very much!

harto• 15 years ago

I never got around to upgrading from 10.5 - does anyone know if there's a way to upgrade straight to this new release? (Guessing probably not.)

tree_of_item• 15 years ago

Tried to update to Lion: couldn't do it.

Tried to update Snow Leopard so I could update to Lion: computer now kernel panics on boot.

Tried to reinstall Snow Leopard from DVD: turns out the disk drive is broken.

Tried to install a Linux distro from a USB key: turns out they're nearly impossible to boot on a Mac. Still haven't figured out how to do it.

This went well.

joeskerbec• 15 years ago

This is why i cloned my drive to an external drive prior to the upgrade. Just in case.

tedkalaw• 15 years ago

I tried to install Lion after purchasing it from the App Store. It kernel panicked during install and then TRAPPED ME at the installer. Despite restarting, using disk utility, etc, I was stuck.

I erased the partition and tried to install again. Kernel panic. I tried putting Lion on a USB drive. Again, kernel panic

In my desperation I just kept running the installer over and over again and ONE TIME it worked. I was so pleased - until it kernel panicked on restart.

Still, it's working now. It will kernel panic every now and then. When I look at the logs for the kernel panics, the last kext loaded almost always has to do with networking/WIFI. This seems to be a relatively common.

gcr• 15 years ago

Was SL more stable?

marchdown• 15 years ago

I have recently tried (yet again) to make some bootable USB keys on a mac. Turns out you have to convert iso to UDxx:

    $ hdiutil convert -format UDRW -o bootable.img bootable.iso && dd if=bootable.img of=/dev/disk1 bs=1m # Check the disk number with diskutil list!

If it still won't boot, rEFIt (or Boot Camp, naturally) help with BIOS emulation.

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