Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical caching platform

https://www.shitbowl.com/

by fallingfrog • 5 years ago

722 237 5 years ago

Very good idea, great potential for being the next unicorn! Be sure to hire a growth hacker. /s

Nextgrid2• 5 years ago

As I mentioned in another comment, this product absolutely needs some lights or a buzzer to drive "engagement" in case the user doesn't "engage" with the bowl for more than a few hours.

solanav• 5 years ago

In-home physical cache... Such an smart observation! Love it!

rtkwe• 5 years ago

Bug report: Item retrieval is not functionally pure and may have side effects on the sorting of items in the bowl.

exabrial2• 5 years ago

High constant factor

Shared4042• 5 years ago

Bug closed: User error. All items above the desired item must be retrieved and replaced as one bundle.

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pokstad• 5 years ago

I tried explaining this to my wife with my laundry pile and she wouldn’t buy it.

aldanor• 5 years ago

Laundry pile needs random access!

alpaca128• 5 years ago

I don't care about that as long as it efficiently handles the worst-case of the sock tuple matching problem.

dajohnson89• 5 years ago

I used this to convince my gf to replace her hideous fake tree decoration with a nice bowl for holding stuff instead. This might be the most useful HN post for me ever.

jedberg• 5 years ago

The problem with the laundry pile LRU is the extreme bitrot of the first items in.

imhoguy• 5 years ago

Nah, not Internet connected and no mobile app to control it.

pca006132• 5 years ago

We should attach some IoT sensors and stream user behavior back to our server, either forward the data to the vendor of your item and let them provide some support[1], or do some machine learning for credit assessment[2]. And this could be called the world's first smart in-home physical caching device.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26114194

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26119312

Shared4042• 5 years ago

Could we possibly use blockchain to track the state of each item?

dna_polymerase• 5 years ago

I see you took out the car keys. Drive to your closest Shell now for a 2% fuel discount.

Nextgrid2• 5 years ago

Don't forget adding some blinking lights or beeps to drive "engagement" in case the user doesn't engage with the bowl for more than a couple hours.

rriepe2• 5 years ago

I really wish people wouldn't post stuff like this to HN.

The last bowl bubble was devastating. In 2013 there were literally bowls selling for millions of dollars[1]. My kids didn't eat cereal that year.

Please consider the consequences of your startups. It's "just a landing page" one day but the next, you're ruining lives.

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/business/sothebys-china-bowl/...

hobofan• 5 years ago

I sincerely hope that the reason you are being downvoted is that people didn't read beyond the first sentence.

rriepe2• 5 years ago

The downvotes make it funnier!

xxpor• 5 years ago

This implementation is O(n) on retrieval, rather than O(1) as in the ideal case. Hopefully v2 will optimize that in the near future.

nicolashahn• 5 years ago

I think the next version, Shitplate, should have this improvement. Space complexity is worse, though.

ThePadawan2• 5 years ago

I am a competitor of Shitbowl, and my product ("Shitdrawer") solves this issue!

schmorptron• 5 years ago

However, while it's true that your product is O(1) even in the worst case, when you look closer it's actually O(1) + O(1) even in the best case, as you have to open the Shitdrawer to even get the the most recently used item. Do you have any solution to this?

zikzak2• 5 years ago

I used to love this product but after a few weeks it started to only make the first 15% of the items available. You then have to use elevated permissions to remove the cached items directly behind these which sometimes results in damage to the items or the operator. Please fix this or I'm going to lower my rating.

james_pm2• 5 years ago

Shitdrawer is the Amazon Glacier of Shitbowl. Easy to throw stuff in, generally it stays there very long term.

sgtnoodle3• 5 years ago

Shitdrawer also has a more compelling security model, although to be honest shitbowl is more convenient and most people think firewalls are good enough whether or not they have tons of easily opened ports.

gnfargbl• 5 years ago

It is true that it is theoretically O(n) in the worst case, but in my own production deployments I have tended to find a huge skew towards selecting the most recently inserted couple of items. Here the obvious ocular caching optimization leads to O(1) time retrieval.

harlanji• 5 years ago

That’s right. This system has a high hit rate baked in, based on matching the data structure to the real world usage with a predictable set of content classes. Very elegant.

chapium• 5 years ago

O(1) implementation is trivial and implemented by most teenagers bedroom floors.

sgtnoodle3• 5 years ago

It depends on how good the hash algorithm is. My 2 year old's method tends to have a lot of collisions near the book shelf and the play kitchen, and I'm starting to think it's nondeterministic...

isoprophlex• 5 years ago

But does it have a browser built in? Can I use it to tweet while I search for my keys?

theginger• 5 years ago

Critical dos vulnerable. It cannot recover from being repeatedly hit with a hammer

glitchc• 5 years ago

Can only be operated in a high trust environment —-SMH—-

hrishi• 5 years ago

As always, a Bloom filter can improve search times.

exabrial2• 5 years ago

Doesn't support Node or JSON. This is stupid.

dmje2• 5 years ago

That requires ShitStack

jimnotgym• 5 years ago

I can't help feeling that what this bowl is really missing is machine learning.

By profiling an individual using their online behaviour, and using only a small cluster, we could produce a prediction of what objects should be sorted to the top of the bowl. Simple IOT connectivity could then tell if the right objects are near the top and send push notifications to your phone. These would warn you that what you thought you wanted next was not what your social network would have wanted.

Altogether a much simpler solution

tarr11• 5 years ago

The LRU cache is flawed as it never discards items and will eventually overflow.

wffurr• 5 years ago

The bowl cache is garbage collected with a stop the world collection step wherein the bowl is upended and the contents returned, the bottom cleaned, and a few select items pre-seeded in the fresh cache.

phs• 5 years ago

Overflow actually spills off the top. It's MRU!

sgtnoodle3• 5 years ago

Yeah, but it spills off onto the table top, which is effectively register space.

ogre_codes• 5 years ago

This is solved by purging the cache once a week.

almost_usual• 5 years ago

Need a segmented cache to keep out items only accessed once.

Really this bowl needs 2Q instead of LRU.

_Microft2• 5 years ago

Rust is what distinguishes this competitor's product. I am not sure how Shitbowl ensures ownership of stored items.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/bb/8d/c6/bb8dc61f7bc93b996c71...

tailspin20194• 5 years ago

To enable Sharding: throw your shitbowl against the wall.

NB: Cached items will be need to be reindexed once sharding has been enabled.

detaro2• 5 years ago

If you have a glass one you can even shard the bowl!

spacemanmatt3• 5 years ago

ShitBox has had sharts since like version 2.4

ericzawo• 5 years ago

Why are we censoring the name? Is the implication children read HN?

dijksterhuis2• 5 years ago

Some folks could be at work so might have been a good idea to avoid swearwords on the front/submit page.

gpanders• 5 years ago

But then it’s right there in the URL, so I don’t think this actually solves anything

jrochkind12• 5 years ago

Why is the HN article title obscured with "*"? Does HN have a forbidden words policy?

yepthatsreality• 5 years ago

Christians. You’re on their time.

imglorp2• 5 years ago

"See, in our century, we've learned not to fear words."

dragonwriter2• 5 years ago

Linguistic prudishness outside of specifically around violations of the Second Commandment isn't particularly tied to Christianity.

As “shit” is not, even in the broadest Christian interpretation, a name of the Christian God, that doesn't seem to be the basis of any filtering of that word.

zczc• 5 years ago

"Kitsch is the absolute denial of shit, in both the literal and the figurative senses of the word" ― Milan Kundera, The Unbearable Lightness of Being

fallingfrog• 5 years ago

That was me.. I guess I was uncertain about whether it would get flagged if I put a curse word in the title. No deeper agenda there.

jrochkind12• 5 years ago

looks like it has been corrected!

egypturnash3• 5 years ago

It’s especially hilarious because the same word is right there in the URL.

SavageBeast2• 5 years ago

Looks like a nice prototype. In the real world Id like to see some basic provisions for type safety though.

If the last thing used was a half drank rocks glass of tequila the integrity of the entire cache will be threatened.

* they all sound like "stupid problems" till your boss is calling at 3AM because the system is down.

qwantim12• 5 years ago

If your boss is in your house using your shitbowl.

ftio2• 5 years ago

  /* The PM says this 100% will never happen. */

slim• 5 years ago

your boss sleeps with you

twic• 5 years ago

If your boss is in your house at 3 AM putting a half drank rocks glass of tequila in your shitbowl.

repsilat• 5 years ago

Yeah I worry about all the enterprise shit you don't think until you need it -- If one bowl goes down, will it fail over to another in a different region? In the case of a network partition, does my wife get my car?

oarsinsync• 5 years ago

Tragically, with uMatrix installed and default configuration, no images load, because external third party JS is needed just to load an image.

A parody that plays itself a little too well, sadly.

rhn_mk1• 5 years ago

Works for me, third party image host only.

alex_young2• 5 years ago

Any advice on implementing HyperLogLog on this? I’d really like to avoid map reduce if possible.

xwdv• 5 years ago

I cache my shoes by leaving the ones I wear frequently by the door ready to be put on. The ones I access less will go in the closet and the ones used very infrequently will go to the storage unit for glacial level storage.

JustARandomGuy• 5 years ago

Well done. It took me a moment to understand the joke but then I laughed hard. You should consider putting an actual store in there, I’m sure some sales would convert.

secondcoming• 5 years ago

If I put a Docker container in it will it scale seamlessly?

nicbou2• 5 years ago

You can use a bigger shitbowl instance, but at this point you might just want to deploy a few of them on a shitshelf cluster. However if you're hitting size limits with only two users, you should tackle the root cause instead of throwing more hardware at it.

TeMPOraL3• 5 years ago

The way it's designed, you want to ship a container of shitbowls, not a shitbowl of shipping containers.

bookmarkable• 5 years ago

This kind of sarcastic social critique well designed site reminds of better times for the Internet... before the dark times... before Facebook.

alex_young2• 5 years ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

jonnycomputer2• 5 years ago

Wow, from that era, but never encountered this (did not Usenet much though).

Still, maybe this kind of staggered onboarding into forums isn't that bad of an idea. Its not like a site couldn't enforce it. Sign up to join. Get email indicating when participation begins.

andrewprock2• 5 years ago

On the flip side this is a real process that essentially works. The book "Algorithms to Love By" decides a chapter to solutions to meat space retrieval problems.

nemosaltat• 5 years ago

I’m pretty sure you mean “Algorithms to _Live_ By”- but I love the typo, since one anecdotes involves using CS/mathematical principles (secretary problem) to find an optimal romantic partner. Enjoyable read for sure!

naiveai• 5 years ago

Oh no! The Internet is more easily accessible providing more knowledge and access to millions worldwide! It's not limited to our extremely exclusive clique of 1337 hackers who also all happen to be white, college-educated American men!

mrzool• 5 years ago

You could have, you know, all that good stuff also without Facebook.

RGamma• 5 years ago

Well with its relentless commercialisation it also brought in loads of trash tier entertainment, splintered attention, intense bubblification and collective amnesia for a significant part of its userbase.

All the potential for good that made users so enthusiastic (as we now know: over-enthusiastic) about it until the early 00s (maybe 10s) still exist, it's just big tech and other businesses have hijacked the community-driven governance and narrative for private gains.

All the cool ((internet) cultural, but not necessarily technical) stuff that existed and exists... you'd never find out about it today if you weren't there and already know what to look for (and even then search result quality has gone down the drain due to massive spam. Not that you can reasonably filter search results to not include businesses or other SEO spam for instance...). Of course things that don't make money/grab attention eventually are "rationalised away" or forgotten about in this ungodly screaming contest.

Not all is bad; it's just the drop in average quality of substance and intransparency of its gatekeepers that worries me. I always keep my hope that a diverse array of communities continue to exist in which cool things happen on a regular basis. Mainstream social media is not this place though.

hkt• 5 years ago

FWIW, I was one of the clique of 1337 hackers without being American or college educated!

In seriousness, the radicalism of the early internet was great for autodidacts, and I loved it. It shaped me as a person and I still don't have or need a university degree.

The thing that was nice in the past was that it seemed so easy to find other people finding their own path. It was a bit less commercial and a bit more communal. It was a great thing, but communities have a finite capacity for on boarding people. It is easy to squash that, and it was definitely squashed pretty hard as the internet popularised.

forgotmypw17• 5 years ago

you may like my site then :)

annoyingnoob2• 5 years ago

I thought this was a last-in-first-out stack?

adrianmonk• 5 years ago

It's actually a self-organizing list with the move-to-front method:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organizing_list

annoyingnoob2• 5 years ago

I suppose the shitbowl supports some amount of concurrency and some times O(1) access to more than just the last item.

DavidPeiffer• 5 years ago

Thanks for linking! Now I know the name for my strategy in my spice cabinet. Most recently used spices go on the right, slowly moving to the left with lack of use.

snissn• 5 years ago

oh i thought this was going to be a lot grosser and ahhaha i'm not even sure why i clicked

aarondf• 5 years ago

Why is this a product? I could implement this myself in a weekend with a few open source libraries.

zikzak2• 5 years ago

We built this years ago in Clay.

hda23• 5 years ago

Clay is unsafe. You should rebuild it again using food grade Resin.

qwantim12• 5 years ago

I use junk drawers, which scale to available drawers, after which you buy more storage or a larger house.

arcticbull2• 5 years ago

Personally, I farm to work out to the cloud.

I simply purchase whatever I need, have it delivered to an Amazon locker nearby, and then when I’m done with it I throw it out and order a new one.

The most frequently used ones are always at the locker and the least frequently used one is automatically returned for a refund. The cache miss is approximately two days.

It’s expensive, but you can’t beat the fact that it scales to a practically unlimited degree.

I call it “bowl-less” caching.

ftio2• 5 years ago

Ah yes, the old horizontal scaling technique.

nicbou2• 5 years ago

https://xkcd.com/1737/

rexreed2• 5 years ago

This is clearly a parody. If you don't understand the joke, then the joke's on you.

fisherjeff• 5 years ago

If you don't understand the joke, then the joke's on you.

Completely agree

ggghhhfff2• 5 years ago

Parent is joking with the meme of “but I could build this produc myself with open source libraries!”

Black101• 5 years ago

I'm not sure who is kidding... you or the parent comment.

jrockway• 5 years ago

Hi guys it's me the Fusion 360 Persondudeguy here with a 45 minute video on how to 3D print yourself one of these at home! Start out by opening Fusion 360, and then create a sketch! Then press C to draw a circle. Then press C to draw another circle. Now you may be wondering how to 3D print this because you're subscribed to a channel about 3D printing and somehow need a helping hand with literally the most basic operation ever in 3D CAD. But that's okay, because thanks to today's sponsor, NerdVPN, your fishy ISP won't be able to somehow silently break TLS and find out what you're watching on YouTube and extort you for money! That is something that could actually happen, at least in a world that I've made up to sell you something you don't need! For just $9.99 a month you can connect to an OpenVPN instance someone set up on a $3/month VPS that one time. There's no logging because we looked for some and didn't find anyway, but then again, this whole "systemd" thing is new to us and we don't have logs of anything anywhere. Actually we can't even log into that box anymore. That's how you know it's secure! OK, $9.99 go buy it now! I use it myself if saying that will make you buy it. Now back to our content. We left off where you created two circles that will form the wall of your shitbowl! Now you just need to press E to extrude that out! How do you remember all these keys? Well it's actually pretty simple. C is for circle, because C is kind of shaped like a circle. E is for extrude because E is the letter after D, and this is the first 3D operation you'll be doing. It's little tips and tricks like this that real pros use to become productive in complex software products like this. Now that your shitbowl is 3D, just print it out. I recommend using whatever chinese knockoff Prusa i3 clone is for sale on Amazon because I personally get a cut when you buy it, and if it burns your house down it's not technically my fault. OK guys has it been 45 minutes yet? It has? Great. See you next week where I'll shove my entire $6000 microphone down my throat so you can hear what the inside of my mouth sounds like while I demonstrate basic features of CAD software! Like, subscribe, click the bell, click the bell again, then click it one more time so that your phone will make an incredibly loud noise when I next send out a YouTube poll!

Am I a millionaire yet?

hda23• 5 years ago

Please cease and desist from infringing on our intellectual property (we sell spoons which your product rips off).

We expect you to contact us within 5 business days to settle the outstanding licensing fees you owe us as a result of your infringement.

myself248• 5 years ago

Anyone else here from the Knockoff Prusa channel?

encom2• 5 years ago

Unregistered HyperCam 2

rahimiali• 5 years ago

Little known fact, the PDP11 had a machine instruction that implemented shitbowls in the cpu. It’s interesting that these days you need ruby, a vm, two layers of package managers and oauth just for a shotbowl. Also, someone should rewrite this in rust.

spacemanmatt3• 5 years ago

First time caller, long time listener. With a question! First, upboats. But what I really wanted to know was: does it work under water?

dreamcompiler• 5 years ago

I'm working on a quantum version of this. Items placed in the bowl may randomly disappear then reappear in a different quantum bowl somewhere else in the universe.

We have already seeded the market with test prototypes shaped like laundry baskets that are limited to small pieces of cloth footwear. But we hope to scale up to Level 5 Flinging of Massive Objects (FOMO) before the end of the year.

joezydeco• 5 years ago

All Shitbowls possess this feature, it's involved by a simple formula of

(age in bowl x proximity to bottom x urgency of real-time need)

Some items such as padlock keys, unused postage stamps, and nearly expired gift cards will override and invoke a quantum certainty of 1.0 when they are trying to be located.

dvtrn• 5 years ago

I hate to break this to you, but they've beaten you to the quantum bowl: I think it was patented some years ago as the "latrine". It has the same properties you describe, similar properties to the OP's "shitbowl" concept, and can quickly deploy artifacts in one button push*.

(Unless your artifact volume exceeds the recommended capacity in the readme, also helps to make sure the pipeline has sufficient capacity for large deploys to efficiently release to the municipal cloud)

allenrb• 5 years ago

Mine keeps throwing Overflow. How can I open a bug?

willis936• 5 years ago

It’s a feature, not a bug. This problem is outside the scope of this project and the issue should be filed upstream.

thomasmg• 5 years ago

No, you should not open up the bugs. They show up because they do an organic search, e.g. for apple products. Simply close that source, then the bugs will disappear.

elliottkember• 5 years ago

Tip Top ice cream is a dead giveaway that this is a New Zealand product. Also very good ice cream.

tetha• 5 years ago

no backdoor access for federal agencies

Tragically, I have to strongly doubt this is secure against the almighty warrant-backdoor for physical security. And once they have their hands on the bowl, the content is freely accessible.

_Microft2• 5 years ago

I heard some people prefer the decentralized approach but that it might lead to consensus problems with their significant other.

tgtweak• 5 years ago

Proof of relationship

rkagerer• 5 years ago

KOHLER sh*tbowls are harder to implement but you can flush the cache.

madamelic• 5 years ago

I think you should add machine learning to v2.

LRU is a decent algorithm but it would be much effective if Shitbowl could learn my routines and re-organize as needed.

sanj• 5 years ago

And people laugh when I refer to the drawer next to the stove as an L1 cache!

dboreham• 5 years ago

You're lucky they laugh.

khalilravanna• 5 years ago

I’ll wait for the mainstream IOT Shitbowl with Alexa support and an iOS app that destroys my battery life by pinging a server to give me notifications for new shit being added to the bowl.

sitzkrieg• 5 years ago

tip top cant keep getting away with it

poxwole• 5 years ago

You could probably get it funded

prtk25• 5 years ago

What a time to be alive!

1970-01-01• 5 years ago

I'm going to scale this with Rust and MongoDB. Do you have any advice before we spend millions on a prototype?

krylon• 5 years ago

I think I was having a cultural impedance mismatch, I was expecting something toilet-related. Now I am both relieved and disappointed, so there goes my weekend. ;-P

bravoetch• 5 years ago

Those ice-cream containers are used in every NZ garage. As someone that used to work at Tip-top, I approve of this container-based approach.

chronolitus2• 5 years ago

The idea is pretty good, but misses the mark. Bitcoin has shown that decentralization is a bad idea. What people actually want is Sharebowl: a single bowl, the size of oregon, that you can trust to keep your valuables safe.

We plan an ICO by 2022, IPO by 2023, and IBS[1] by next week.

[1] https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/irritable-bow...

tailspin20194• 5 years ago

Bravo

hda23• 5 years ago

I'm a bit late to the bitcoin game (and gearing up to accept bitcoin payments in an upcoming project) so excuse me if my question is trivial, but how does bitcoin show that decentralization is a bad idea?

Aside from energy consumption and stability, bitcoin seems like a resounding success to outsiders like me.

chaboud2• 5 years ago

Wooosh!

That’s the sound of a joke flying overhead.

Decentralization is a feature. As with most features, it has technical and behavioral costs. In the case of Bitcoin, this cost is an enormous computational and environmental burden. However, I’m pretty sure that this commenter was joking.

crazygringo• 5 years ago

No, a single centralized bowl carries massive risk. What happens when it goes down? Do you even trust the SLA? What about privacy?

What we need is Peerbowl: a network of millions of bowls interconnected via an interdimensional wormhole.

We're in the last stages of ironing out all the kinks. Race conditions have resulted in a few lost fingers but also some extra tentacles which users report are surprisingly handy! Stay tuned for our IPO*.

* Interplanetary Public Offering

mikewarot2• 5 years ago

You mean an EnderChest? ;-)

gorgoiler• 5 years ago

Where does dogebowl fit into this, other than to start a pronunciation war?

kderbyma• 5 years ago

dogebowl is a known pump and dump by the meme bowlers

CRConrad2• 5 years ago

In Venice, of course.

nottrobin• 5 years ago

Haha love the simplicity of "bitcoin has shown decentralisation is a bad idea". No whiff of a justification, just a straightforward statement of fact. A masterclass in empty marketing. This company knows their shit.

867-5309• 5 years ago

if you're going to name it that, surely you'd have to flush the cache after every input

tdy721• 5 years ago

I’ve been calling them squirrel spots.

s314159265358• 5 years ago

This is a joke right?

EdStanyer2• 5 years ago

If the only tool you have is a hammer, then everything looks like a nail. I'm sure the OP isn't really proposing to market the shit bowl as a receptacle for putting things in with the added feature of MRU at the top. However if this takes off I'm going to market the utterly shit drawer that instantly sucks the most recently used power supply or charging cable to the bottom.

dmje2• 5 years ago

We’ve gone large in our house with ShitCupboard (tm), a much bigger deployment of roughly the same framework

RcouF1uZ4gsC• 5 years ago

Since I can’t get support from the company, I am posting to HN so that someone from Shitbowl sees my post and responds.

I recently got a Shitbowl and threw some coins in, planning to use them soon. However, the coins ended up at the bottom of the Shitbowl instead of the top. This is definitely a big since it violates LRU. Shitbowl has not responded so far to my complaint.

leoc• 5 years ago

Chamber pots. You've invented chamber pots.

moron4hire• 5 years ago

I don't see what's wrong with continuing to use shitfloor. It's worked well for me for years. I know some people complain about breaking their things or sharp pain in their feet (aka Plantar Harming Poop) when they step on them, but I've learned to be careful about that. And I don't have any friends anyway, so I never have to worry about someone coming over who hasn't learned to live with shitfloor.

MetalGuru• 5 years ago

More like a shit stack

sitkack• 5 years ago

I signed up for their beta, and have been using Shitbowl® for about 6 months and the results have been amazing. I can't recommend it enough.

doodlebugging2• 5 years ago

My personal solution is so much more simple than this shitbowl solution and is trivial to implement. I have been using it for years and can personally vouch for it's effectiveness and scalability.

Skip the bowl entirely.

When you finish with something just set it down. It really DOES NOT MATTER WHERE! Honestly.

Set it on a flat surface, under a chair or a pillow, in a depression in your yard. Set it on your neighbor's side of the fence. It is totally irrelevant where you leave it.

Since it is universally true that you always find something in the last place that you look this method that I have employed works perfectly EVERY SINGLE TIME and for objects of any physical description.

It is impossible to lose something if you are willing to spend sufficient time and effort remembering where you put it and revisiting that location.

lvs• 5 years ago

Do you blog?

doodlebugging2• 5 years ago

No. I post a bit on reddit and HN from time to time.

pessimizer• 5 years ago

Sounds like NoSQL. I've heard it speeds up development.

yesenadam• 5 years ago

I read an much improved version of this, I forget where:

Put things back in the first place you looked, or the first place you would look for it.

the_arun• 5 years ago

This looks like a stack to me instead of LRU Cache :). Am I missing something?

FPGAhacker• 5 years ago

Yes, you can retrieve items that aren’t on the top.

charliewallace• 5 years ago

True story - I just used this principle to re-org my closet, a perfect pandemic thing to do. All the most recently used, still-clean-enough garments are placed at the end easiest to reach, the level one cache. Rarely used items are at the other end, the long-term storage, while in between is the L2 cache. On laundry day the L1 cache gets flushed...

powerbroker• 5 years ago

Shitbowl v2.0: Adds a well that extends to the center of the earth

Shitbowl v3.0: Adds a multi-tiered dumbwaiter, that makes retrieval and storage to center of the earth a snap;

Shitbowl v4.0: Adds a reciprocal well that extends to the antipode of the earth, and allows users, so-situated, to borrow from their counterpart, least-used items of the counterpart, Uber-style.

Shitbowl v5.0: Implements a heat-hardened round-house router to universally exchange least-used items, near the earth's core

spacemanmatt3• 5 years ago

I built a multi-tenant version of this for my office and am now retiring on them fat royalty checks. AMA

soheil• 5 years ago

What prevents Google from creating its own version of this product one day and destroying yours in the process?

blunte• 5 years ago

The humor is strong with this one.

This is a welcome laugh during tedious times.

aetilley• 5 years ago

This actually reminded me of

http://www.mysmalt.com/

But I don't think the latter is satire...

iujjkfjdkkdkf2• 5 years ago

Ok, I am having a really hard time figuring out if that's serious or not. I watched the video and it was ridiculous, but it all seems to be done with a straight face. But maybe a school project or something? It's from 2017 so I assume they are now defunct, however it originated.

CRConrad2• 5 years ago

We live in an age where it's impossible to tell satire from reality. I clicked through to both "About" and "Blog," but am none the wiser for it. (Didn't dare to click "Pre-order" in case it were for real.)

anigbrowl• 5 years ago

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caseyw• 5 years ago

I have to say I’ve been using Shitbowl since it’s inception and I’ve never used such a powerful system before.

Up until now I relied on attempting to organize my own shit which lets be honest, was super shitty. Then comes Shitbowl. My wife and in-laws didn’t understand the technology at first but once I really got them to try it they were immediately onboard.

Thanks Shitbowl for making our lives better!

OJFord2• 5 years ago

I don't particularly want to be 'that guy', and perhaps/probably it's part of the joke ('whoosh') - but 'the LRU items go to the bottom'.. it's MRU? The top item that you take (assuming you're not digging about) is the most recently used, we don't classify queues by what's at the back/bottom?

Hydraulix989• 5 years ago

No. LRU is referring to eviction policy (which still isn't accurate since this bowl doesn't have a hole at the bottom).

(I guess I'm 'that guy' now :)

OJFord2• 5 years ago

Yes, right, sorry, of course. Cache.

I think I got confused because a cache is a fixed length queue where 'take one' means evict, but 'take one' in OP means cache hit (if we're calling it a cache). I'd still prefer to call it an MRU queue (not a cache at all) I suppose.

(With some weird overflow property where it starts evicting MRU after a certain point too...)

xmprt• 5 years ago

What's missing is the fact that this is just an L3 cache. There's another L2 shitbowl which picks up all the shit that's even more frequently used.

iujjkfjdkkdkf2• 5 years ago

No wifi, less space than a junk drawer, lame.

xyzelement3• 5 years ago

This reminded - I noticed a while ago that being a computer science guy makes me think differently about physical storage and retrieval.

For example - my wife likes "shorts" to be in one drawer and "t-shirts" in another. I like for one drawer to be "workout clothes" and have the mix of gym shorts and t-shirts. To me this feels "obviously" right because the use-case requires both items so why pay for two costly "open drawer" IOs?

Similarly, she is very organized with her paper files, I just throw mine into a box. In the rare event I need something (eg when doing taxes) I don't mind scanning through the whole mess. Seems like a better strategy than making each "write" costly (neatly organizing) since writes are frequent and reads are rare.

Anyone else like that?

montenegrohugo• 5 years ago

Your first example could have a different explanation, assuming she is the one that more often does the laundry. Ordering clothes by type is cognitively easy: a shirt is a shirt, shorts are shorts. When you have a stack of freshly washed clothes, sorting them according to type is so trivial it is a thoughtless process.

However, sorting according to use case is more involved. For each piece of clothing in the clothes pile, the clothes organizer must think of how this particular piece of cloth is used. Is this just an old t-shirt? Or is this particular old t-shirt out of favor with my husband and so he uses it for his workout? Or should it go in the pyjama t-shirts pile?

So writes seem to be much more costly (cognitively) when organizing clothes according to usage rather than type (if these clothes are not your own in which case determining their usage does seem trivial), and your wife may be optimizing for it (again, see initial assumption)

xyzelement3• 5 years ago

Reasonable analysis. In the case of my wife, it's a matter of what she believes is right (shirts go together because they are shirts) not of expediency of any of the operations :)

chaboud2• 5 years ago

Personal optimization schemes fall apart when we have to interoperate with others, just like in system architectures.

Think about the cognitive load of your spouse when you decide how a system should work.

Taniwha2• 5 years ago

I think that if you want your own classification you have to put away your own laundry ...

noisy_boy• 5 years ago

I thought of doing the "writes" as per the use case as having to denormalize the "record" first which is extra work from insert point of view (but optimized for "fetch" - the entire dataset of shirt+pant is right there) - that is not how they come out of the washing machine. They come out normalized as "shirt" "pant" which is optimum for inserts. So if she doing the laundry, her method is the least effort for her.

extropic-engine• 5 years ago

ok but the real question for everyone here is do y’all put your leggings in your sock drawer or with your bras/underwear

ancient_art• 5 years ago

I do both and I order the clothes most times.

Clothes I can use in multiple situations (like a pair of jeans or normal t-shirts) are grouped together but I also use "use-case-drawers" (like sports or outside work clothes).

My girlfriend (no tech background) uses a more seperated system (work t-shirts are not sorted to work pants) but still seperated by use-case (normal pants /= work pants).

I guess it's up to everyones own preferences then..

wnoise• 5 years ago

I know someone who is similar with the paper files, but lazily sorts them when she needs to retrieve something, so the full scan only happens at most once.

dkubb• 5 years ago

This is pretty efficient. She lazily sorts them on first access. They are stored in a thunk and then lazily evaluates them. After that repeated access is efficient.

xen2xen1• 5 years ago

Even better is to scan and pitch what you can during the scan, then file what's left. Scanning for computer search is awesome.

rlayton2• 5 years ago

When folding the washing, I don't make sure the t-shirts / pants / etc are the "right way out", reducing the already heavy burden on the folding server, and pushing that work onto the less heavily burdened clients.

kranner• 5 years ago

Similarly, she is very organized with her paper files, I just throw mine into a box. In the rare event I need something (eg when doing taxes) I don't mind scanning through the whole mess. Seems like a better strategy than making each "write" costly (neatly organizing) since writes are frequent and reads are rare.

This is why I have given up trying to organise my downloaded papers and books by subject. It's faster to search through them when I have a term in mind.

hunter2_• 5 years ago

This reminds me of the days before "Downloads" folders were provided by OSes for use by browsers, and one would need to select a destination for every file at download time. I think macOS got it right with the "stack" widget (truncated listing of the Downloads folder sorted by date).

BLKNSLVR• 5 years ago

I have a sports drawer: t-shirts, shorts, ankle braces.

Other t-shirts hung in wardrobe and a separate drawer for other shorts.

Paper files: chucked into a tray haphazardly after being attended to. Sorted into filling cabinet once tray is full (which it is now and arguably has been for a month or two).

m463• 5 years ago

I'm reminded of cars, which are designed for assembly. They are easy to put together and they're put together in layers.

Same with your clothes, designed for laundry. (defined by laundry?) easier to have bins for socks, and underwear and pants and shirts. they wash in one batch. Easier to load the socks drawer all at once.

But not as easy to find everything when you're getting dressed.

That said, I have two kinds of toolsets.

generic - all the tools in one chest - drawer for pliers, anothers for screwdrivers, ratchets, sockets, etc

project-specific - near my computer I have phillips 2,1,0,00,000 and a keypuller and a paperclip.

row order vs column order I guess. array of structures, structure of arrays.

madaxe_again• 5 years ago

My wife keeps on reorganising my toolboxes and it’s driving me nuts. She ends up organising the contents by colour, or by size, so now I find my woodworking chisels in a box with filter spanners and solder (the soldering irons are in the box with glue and mallets). It’s driving me crazy, but she won’t stop, and gets mad at me when I can’t find stuff because “it’s organised”.

Different people have different minds. I group by function and efficiency of use - she by colour or shape, as she doesn’t know what half the tools are. My organisation looks chaotic but I know exactly where everything is, and I know that the tools I’ll need for a given task will all be in the same box.

Now, I have to haul everything out, rummage, have an argument, get called an idiot. So much better.

A crap bowl would be illegal here. Everything must go back in its place, no matter how inconvenient that place is.

xyzelement3• 5 years ago

The key at least for me is to recognize that my wife's desire to clean and organize is a huge net positive for my life, with things like you just described being relatively small side effects.

Here's how I manage it. One important thing is to label anything that's messy and needs to remain that way "a work in progress.". It indicates to the wife that (a) you care about neatness and (b) there's an end in sight.

The other thing is to claim areas. Sounds like tools are your domain - have you discussed that maybe you should just be in charge of that one small part of your life? :)

BostonEnginerd• 5 years ago

Sounds like the 5S auditors have invaded your workspace!

cameronh90• 5 years ago

"it’s driving me nuts"

At least you can find the nut drivers. ;)

tlavoie• 5 years ago

Oh my, do I get this. My wife has worked for years as a professional organizer, so she definitely has an idea for How Things Should Be Done.

That way is not mine however. I've been known to have something much like Shitbowl as a system, except I called it my "sedimentary filing system." It has layers, like a parfait, and very much an LRU cache.

She likes things to be away, which to me, is not always having them usable. Sometimes, things that are stashed out of sight are less than accessible when I decide I want them.

Different strokes I guess. After nigh on thirty years, I'm somewhat tidier, while she has become more tolerant of a bit of disorder.

9dev• 5 years ago

I spend my whole work day figuring out those problems but not once got the idea to apply them to organising my personal life. Questioning a lot of decisions now...

chrisan• 5 years ago

Kinda?

Workout clothes make sense, these are things that get sweaty and I don't want to sort through all my t-shirts and underwear to find a wicking ones. And fancy clothes (wedding/funeral) go together so I can just open the closet bag and have my suit, shirt, tie, and dress socks all there - one "go bag" for each suit color (black, blue, grey) with shoes below.

However, everything else is interchangeable throughout the year.

For paper, there is some basic sorting I'll do. Pets, cars, home, and tax related items. I just put the new piece at the end of the folder which is hardly any 'write cost' and makes for a much easier read later if the need arises. Besides taxes where I just need all of the papers, most of the time the thing I need to reference is near the end

arbirk• 5 years ago

I need a proper white paper before even considering the idea

marcodiego• 5 years ago

LRU? Looks more like a stack or heap to me.

Waterluvian• 5 years ago

My Shitbowl biases towards larger objects. Anyone else getting this bug?

jonnycomputer2• 5 years ago

Pull request pending forever. Ugh. The project is great, but the culture is terrible.

mikewarot2• 5 years ago

Long ago, I wrote a version of this for OS/2, in Assembler... called Forth/2.

There is an interesting parallel idea where you get a large set of nesting tupperware containers, and enclose items in between the ( <-- bottom and lid ---> ) I heard about it from uncle John McCarthy.

elyobo• 5 years ago

This was more or less (same reasoning, but not explicitly presented as a caching algorithm) how I justified the state of my room as a teenager.

mwolfhoffman• 5 years ago

I tried installing the node modules but am getting an error "Cannot find module yargs'". Running webpack version 5.22.0 and webpack-cli 4.5.0. Any idea how I can get this project running?

pnwhyc• 5 years ago

This is a known bug in projects generated with `create-shitbowl-app`. You may need to clear the cache and upgrade to the latest version of the S6L framework

Shitbowl: The algorithmically powered in-home physical caching platform

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