Microsoft Buying Adobe?

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKN0721049120101007

by Mikecsi • 16 years ago

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dbrannan4• 16 years ago

I've often wondered why Apple doesn't buy Adobe, kill all development for PCs, and leave Microsoft high and dry in the creative market.

Just saying...

umjames• 16 years ago

I don't know how Apple would feel about having to deal with all those enterprise customers who run Adobe software on PCs only. Also, a number of Adobe products don't have Mac versions, like ColdFusion and JRun. Yes, there are still places that rely on this software.

ctravis3• 16 years ago

Killing off the Mac version of CS would do a pretty good job halting Apple's inroads into enterprise

dbrannan4• 16 years ago

Coldfusion runs on Mac, not certain about JRun.

rbanffy11• 16 years ago

> Yes, there are still places that rely on this software.

Killing JRun and Cold Fusion would be doing them a favor.

dagw• 16 years ago

I wonder if Microsoft is thinking the same thing. Either as a defensive move to make sure Photoshop will always work on Windows or as an offensive move and making Photoshop and friends windows only in an attempt to strangle the OS X platform.

city41• 16 years ago

Most designers I know would work for McDonald's before they'd use Windows :)

bradly• 16 years ago

Apple has been able to create pro level software for both audio and video editing industries. If Adobe/Microsoft scraped its mac line of products, I bet Apple would have a competing product out in 12 months that graphic designers would flock to.

gallerytungsten• 16 years ago

If CS became Windows-only, it would mean a great resurgence for Quark, along with those guys in Texas who got Freehand back from Macromedia.

nkassis• 16 years ago

I don't know that doing something like this wouldn't cause the justice dept to get interested. It would be a really anti competitive move.

bhiggins• 16 years ago

Apple already has all the PDF technology they want, and the creative products are too high end (too niche) or Apple has a competing product.

dchest• 16 years ago

Maybe it's better to kill Office for Mac then?

noarchy• 16 years ago

I assume that Microsoft is making some money on Office for Mac. They aren't developing that product for charity. I don't see any reason for them to kill off development for the Mac, especially if they acquire Adobe.

Microsoft could use some help in the mobile market, though, so I can believe the idea of those two companies joining forces to make some headway there.

runjake• 16 years ago

Because the Windows versions of their products account for the vast majority of their profits.

brudgers2• 16 years ago

I suspect that were Adobe to leave the Windows market, the vacated "niche" would be quickly filled.

andybak3• 16 years ago

It might be harder than you think to replace highly refined creative tools such as Illustrator or Photoshop.

Although they have become rather bloated and the last few versions have failed to innovate in significant ways, there is a lot of graphics professionals who would be very reluctant to waste all that hard-won muscle-memory.

Plus there's a lot of work-flow knowledge in them there apps.

siglesias• 16 years ago

At this point with the Flash debate there'd be no culture fit.

Also there was a ton of tension between these companies early in the decade when Adobe was dragging its feet to do Photoshop for OSX.

misterbwong• 16 years ago

Apple wouldn't do this for the same reason that MS doesn't do this with Office: $$$$$$. There's too much money in the PC market to ignore it.

dbrannan4• 16 years ago

Explain please.

bad_user3• 16 years ago

Actually there have been internal talks / rumors about the possibility of Apple buying Adobe (1-2 years ago): guess it didn't work out.

jerhewet• 16 years ago

WHY?!?! Why, God, oh WHY!

Adobe has long lost any luster it might have had, and has descended into outsourced maintenance-ware. An acquisition like this would be about as smart as Intel acquiring Mc(rap)fee...

EDIT: aCquisition.

protomyth9• 16 years ago

Well, to be fair, maybe Flash for OS X would actually improve. On the other hand, Flash for Linux might meet with an unfortunate accident.

pseudonym• 16 years ago

50-100% processor usage isn't already an unfortunate accident?

ctravis3• 16 years ago

Unless they kill off the mac version of the creative suite, that would be a huge hit for Apple.

napierzaza• 16 years ago

My god, with them together, what great software will they make!

jacquesm• 16 years ago

I have the hardest time figuring out if you're serious or sarcastic.

adolph• 16 years ago

I think the comment cuts both ways at the same time.

rbritton• 16 years ago

Think of what great software activation schemes they will make!

seldo• 16 years ago

And the updates! The glorious, unending stream of modal software-update dialogs!

commieneko2• 16 years ago

As Judge Doom said, "My God, it will be beautiful..."

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gURUMv7qZW0#t=1m58s

rbanffy11• 16 years ago

Think of what great patent lawsuits would they make!

WalterGR• 16 years ago

Is either company particularly litigious? Microsoft has filed on the order of 5 patent lawsuits in the last ever.

spicyj2• 16 years ago

Please, no.

dstein• 16 years ago

What's the worst that could happen? This might actually create a vortex of suckage capable of destroying them both.

andybak3• 16 years ago

You don't do graphic design, do you?

olalonde2• 16 years ago

Bad move for both Microsoft and Adobe => Please, yes.

hswolff• 16 years ago

I feel like there's a joke in there somewhere... Something about how an adobe (proper noun) is naturally small and soft. Seems somehow fitting for the two companies to become one, no?

lazugod• 16 years ago

Adobe is a type of brick, so not particularly soft.

cryptoz• 16 years ago

"Microsoft Flash".

shudder

seiji• 16 years ago

"Adobe Flash"

shudder

ladon86• 16 years ago

Microsoft Photoshop. Windows 8 only. :(

protomyth9• 16 years ago

Ribbons in CS6

neolefty• 16 years ago

Microsoft Office. Windows only. Oh yeah, Mac too.

icey• 16 years ago

There is something to that - Microsoft has been spending a lot of money and resources trying to encourage Silverlight adoption. One way to do that might be to buy the rights to Flash.

slantyyz• 16 years ago

The last thing I need is a Microsoft FlashLight.

contextfree• 16 years ago

Microsoft already has a problem with runtime fragmentation - their software and dev platforms are split between native and COM-based stuff (Windows, Office, most of their consumer apps), .NET/CLR based stuff (.NET, Silverlight, XNA, most of their enterprise apps) and increasingly JavaScript/web based stuff (IE, most of their web properties). The last thing they need is to add a fourth runtime to those.

protomyth9• 16 years ago

Apple really needs to buy Adobe. Apple's response will determine how much life they see in their "truck" (OS X) line. This, coupled with Intel's comments on Apple, really make me wonder.

xenophanes• 16 years ago

What comments by intel?

mcbain2• 16 years ago

Maybe various comments indicating how they are unhappy they've missed the mobile bus, including seemingly oddball suggestions like a tool to "port" iOS apps to x86: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/69637/20101007/intel-porting...

protomyth9• 16 years ago

http://www.electronista.com/articles/10/09/09/intel.says.goo...

http://www.macworld.com/article/154632/2010/10/intel_mobile_...

charlief• 16 years ago

Regarding: "Adobe's shares rise as much as 17 percent"

Just a small detail, but the above bullet exaggerates the indicative reaction of the market. It was up 17 percent for an instant because someone fat fingered and bought it for $30.00 exactly at 3:08pm (Added: 12 minutes after the announcement at 2:56pm), maybe a little excited to buy in. Really it is up 10-11%, which is a strong and positive reaction, but there is more uncertainty factored into the price than what the bullet would seem to imply.

zokier• 16 years ago

Gotta love stock markets. A rumor arises of two CEO's secretly meeting, and stocks skyrocket instantly. I'd assume that nobody actually knows what they were discussing, if they even met. Wouldn't be much of a secret meeting otherwise.

joezydeco2• 16 years ago

Proves the old adage. "Buy on the rumor, sell on the news"

narkee3• 16 years ago

It's really interesting, when you think about it as a system that changes in response to observation.

Can you imagine if physical systems worked like that? That observed physical phenomena would change in response to what the experimenter/observer thinks will happen?

eogas2• 16 years ago

Time to short sell then?

mcknz• 16 years ago

indicative reaction of the HFT algos -- ahem, I mean Waddell & Reed.

MichaelApproved2• 16 years ago

I think MS time and money would be better spent buying much smaller web companies that innovate and grow. Adobe is old and shrinking.

As a .net dev id love to see them grow the community beyond enterprise.

commieneko2• 16 years ago

I felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

MichaelApproved2• 16 years ago

Could they be doing this so flash 11 includes silverlight support?

lallysingh• 16 years ago

Microsoft Flashlight?

matrix• 16 years ago

I suppose this is feasible if Microsoft is looking to acquire Adobe's enterprise customer base - the PDF, document management, etc part of the company. Having Air/Flex/Flash might also be nice, but doesn't seem like a good fit for Microsoft's traditional Windows-centric strategy (one they should abandon, in my view - the days of owning the market via the desktop are rapidly coming to a close).

What I'd love to see is Microsoft buy the Flash/PDF side of the company, and then the creative arm (CS, the type foundry, lightroom, etc) be spun off into an independent company that was once again run by people passionate about design and great software.

mcbain2• 16 years ago

What is Microsoft's track record for spinning off companies?

The Photoshop/CS part of Adobe is somewhat profitable, correct? Would MS let it go (even for a bucket of cash)?

jpablo• 16 years ago

Expedia is a Microsoft spin off. I guess that one worked ok.

Keyframe3• 16 years ago

Softimage was bought for a purpose and spun off later. It was bought by Microsoft to port Softimage|3D (and develop XSI) for NT platform - to show NT is as powerful for those applications as IRIX was. It was done, and it was sold later to AVID, now Softimage is part of Autodesk.

On a side note, I always thought Autodesk was Adobe's natural predator, I was expecting a buy offer from them.

chollida12• 16 years ago

The Rare team was spun out of Microsoft. They were the video game company that Microsoft bought from Nintendo. They were responsible for Golden Eye, Conquer, and Perfect Dark.

I'm not sure if this would be considered a successful spin off though as Microsoft bought them when they were, IMHO, at their peak.

jranck• 16 years ago

Razorfish was acquired when Microsoft bought aQuantive. It was then spun off and sold to Publicis.

philwelch• 16 years ago

Bungie was spun off successfully a couple years ago.

cloudkj• 16 years ago

I believe CitySearch was also spun off. That one isn't going so well.

I know there are a few core products that were results of acquisitions, namely PowerPoint and Visio. They've pretty much integrated deeply into Microsoft, so that's always a possibility here.

mcfunley• 16 years ago

"Adobe, Microsoft expected to collapse into new black hole after getting nearly 90% of the world's shitty C++ together under one roof."

mahmud• 16 years ago

Don't know about the rest of Adobe, but the flash team is heavily intertwined with mozilla and google developers. Go sample irc.mozilla.org sometime.

Fun fact, the first JavaScript was written by a Netscaper in Lisp. The first ActionScript was in Standard ML, and now both guys work on ECMAScript :-) ActionScript's engine powers Mozilla's JS engine (yes, flash and firefox engines off the same code base!) and the Lisper guy works on V8. Get into the javascript scene and you will find the intellectual incest that is hacking.

dinkumthinkum4• 16 years ago

shitty C++ ... really?

mfukar3• 16 years ago

Yeah, I bet none of Microsoft's or Adobe's products ever worked for you.

threepointone2• 16 years ago

As a thought: If it does happen, I can totally see an MS Office GRAND DELUXE edition that puts together Office and CS. And I would guess that the price would be less than the sum of the individual packages.

That wouldn't be too bad, really.

d2viant• 16 years ago

They haven't even included Visio in the Office bundle yet, so I doubt they'd put Photoshop in there.

rbanffy11• 16 years ago

...because two bricks float better than one...

rgrieselhuber• 16 years ago

An interesting move from an analytics perspective. They'd get Omniture and valuable data about the biggest advertising budgets spent online.

rfolstad• 16 years ago

Microsoft wants to bundle flash into their web browser and phones just like google?!

mootothemax2• 16 years ago

I'm not sure I understand: how would a merger between these two companies get past the regulators? I doubt they'd let Apple jump into bed with Adobe, let alone Microsoft...

mattparcher2• 16 years ago

From the original NYT report [1]:

Randal C. Picker, a professor of law of the University of Chicago law school, said in a telephone interview that the technology space is drastically different than it was when Microsoft was originally charged with antitrust violations and an acquisition or partnership of this nature would likely not be halted.

Mr. Picker said that the Department of Justice and Federal Trade Commission are focused on other large technology companies and consumer related issues.

[1] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/microsoft-and-adobe...

mootothemax2• 16 years ago

Thanks, very interesting. I'm genuinely surprised though, as we're talking about some huge spaces being gobbled up: Photoshop, ColdFusion, Director, Flash, FrameMaker, Illustrator etc. And those are just some of their bigger names! :)

mattparcher2• 16 years ago

From the original NYT report [1], the discussions seem to be less about acquisition, and more about “Apple and its control of the mobile phone market and how the two companies could partner in the battle against Apple.”

Indeed, acquisition is a real and fascinating possibility, but surely there are many other ways they could work together to fight Apple, if that is what they want to do.

[1] http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/microsoft-and-adobe...

Scott_MacGregor• 16 years ago

If this happens, I wonder how long it will take to fold the Adobe contacts and products into BizSpark.

revorad2• 16 years ago

Such a deal could be worth $15 billion or more based on Adobe's current market value.

Adobe is worth less than half of Facebook? Rolls eyes

joezydeco2• 16 years ago

Apples and Oranges. Adobe is publicly traded. When (if) Facebook IPOs, they will not be worth $33 billion.

http://37signals.com/svn/posts/2585-facebook-is-not-worth-33...

revorad2• 16 years ago

I know, I'm equally amused by the valuations.

It's a bit like old school advertising (billboards, TV) versus Google pay-per-click ads. As soon as you can measure something accurately, it's value decreases.

wealthyox• 16 years ago

Precisely. Real capital market value, based on demand vs VC paper games.

ceejayoz• 16 years ago

Facebook's worth is unknown.

_b8r02• 16 years ago

This would be quite interesting. If Microsoft bought Adobe, what would happen to PDF on Mac? What would happen to Silverlight? Would the next Office use PDF as a standard format?

Then there's the creative suite. What would happen to photoshop? Dreamweaver (or MS Frontpage 2012 as it'd be renamed)? InDesign (or Microsoft Publisher 2012 as it'd be called)?

Also think about the other side of it. The Acrobat team would be forced to actually secure their reader instead of relying on researchers to do it for them.

I think this can only be a good thing(tm). As Dan Kaminsky once said, "What could possibly go wrong?"

emilsedgh• 16 years ago

PDF has an open spec and third party developers could make as many PDF readers as they want. Like on Linux, where there are plenty of PDF readers, mostly based on Poppler. I guess there must be non-Adobe PDF readers for mac.

andrewf2• 16 years ago

"Preview" is part of Mac OS X and works well enough that third party viewers aren't popular.

dsspence• 16 years ago

Apple doesn't license PDF from Adobe even though it is part of OS X's native graphics renderer.

“The Quartz renderer and the PDF interpreter that Apple ships with Mac OS X are built with Apple code, with no external licenses, by Apple employees. Adobe just publishes a specification for how it’s supposed to function. This gives Apple considerably more flexibility with regard to what Quartz and the PDF interpreter can be used for.”

http://www.prepressure.com/pdf/basics/osx_quartz

protomyth9• 16 years ago

Steve Jobs learned from his experience with Adobe and the licensed version of Display Postscript. (see footnote 1 http://daringfireball.net/2008/02/flash_iphone_calculus )

austinalter• 16 years ago

I don't think Microsoft is too eager to have another run-in with the FTC.

CamperBob• 16 years ago

The only way that would happen is if Adobe went crying to the FTC... which they would, which is why Apple offers first-class PDF support in the OS and Microsoft doesn't.

An Adobe acquisition would render this a moot point. Full .PDF support would show up in Windows very quickly, which wouldn't be a bad thing IMO.

rwhitman• 16 years ago

I'm really scared of a future where microsoft forces itself into my life by acquiring everything I use on a regular basis.

golgo13• 16 years ago

What would this mean for Flash and Silverlight? Would MS also can the Expression Studio as well? Why would the same company put out Illustrator and Expression Design?

olalonde2• 16 years ago

Microsoft should start thinking about acquiring a web company instead. One day, they will look back and realize that, in retrospective, they shouldn't have held on to the desktop. An analogy could be made with newspapers who held on to the paper. Time might prove me wrong, but I doubt it.

krf• 16 years ago

They have thought about - MS tried to buy Yahoo. Didn't work - not too many other alternatives - maybe they'll try again. Don't forget also that MS owns a chunk of Facebook. MS is starting to go big on the cloud too, so they are getting into position slowly but surely for the future...

keithwarren• 16 years ago

I dont understand this, you seem to think that Microsoft has ignored the web when they are in fact one of the largest web companies on the planet. There is almost no company they could buy who would not overlap in concerns. You might argue that some companies are better at certain things or have larger customer bases but this idea that they should buy a web company and quit holding on to the desktop is just goofy.

All that said, one important web asset MSFT doesnt have a strong play in is web analytics.

Niten• 16 years ago

For my part, I'm glad there are still companies like Microsoft, Apple, and Adobe "holding onto the desktop", selling me software that I can run on my own hardware, allowing me to keep my data to myself.

old-gregg• 16 years ago

Jokes aside, it makes perfect sense for both of them. Adobe's CS and Microsoft Office are naturally self-complementing desktop giants. Both companies make a ton of money selling desktop software to the enterprise, yet outside of Flash/Sliverlight battle they don't cross each other paths.

I, for one, welcome this development. It brings some hopes for better performing Flash, which I hate with a passion but its a fact of life. Flash is in need of some engineering muscle. There are many things Microsoft can possibly do to it and most of them are good, see: kill it -> good, open source it -> good, merge with silverlight -> good.

Same thing with other Adobe products: they used to be best in class some time ago, but I'm convinced that company cannot code anymore, but Microsoft still can.

No way this is bad news. The worse that can happen is nothing changes.

Edit: also, lets stop this nonsense with applying "still somewhat profitable" and "dying" to these companies. Both are doing great financially. Adobe's profits from CS keep breaking records - look at http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/pressroom/pressreleases/2010...

pchristensen2• 16 years ago

Not disagreeing, but Innovators Dilemma theory says that companies that are about to be disrupted are enjoying the greatest profits and margins ever. The problem is that the reason the profits are so high is that they've shed their less profitable divisions and products that might grow into the next big innovation. Let's say something disrupts MSFTs Office and shrinks its revenue - what do they have that could replace that?

iamelgringo• 16 years ago

what do they have that could replace that? Sharepoint, SQLServer, Windows 7, Windows Server, Windows Virtual Server, CRM, Exchange Server, XBox, Xbox live, Bing, Zune, Microsoft Automotive platform, Win 7 phone.

Microsoft has one of the most diverse revenue streams of any software company. They're going to be around for a while.

Google should actually be more afraid of disruptive technologies. Their revenue is primarily from advertising. They are truly a single revenue source company.

_delirium• 16 years ago

It's quite possible for it to take a long time, though. Microsoft has been more or less in the position you describe for ~15 years: by the mid-1990s they were making huge profits, almost entirely from Windows+Office. Now, 15 years later, they've still got large profit margins on that same duo.

protomyth9• 16 years ago

Adobe sells a lot of enterprise document software that could really boost Microsoft's Share Point properties.

I really do think all product development for Linux or Android would be cancelled (Flash for Windows Phone 7 only).

watty• 16 years ago

Microsoft isn't stupid. They won't make Flash Windows only and they won't make Flash Windows Phone 7 only.

joe_the_user2• 16 years ago

"it makes perfect sense for both of them..."

"I, for one, welcome..."

Uh, yeah... I agree it makes perfect sense for both of them. For anyone who isn't Microsoft or Adobe, the prospect seems less appealing. Two companies with considerable monopolistic sway in their respective markets come together to improve their profit margins?

Merging two huge globs that each can extract rent on their various properties into a single similar vast glob. What could possibly go wrong...

rbanffy11• 16 years ago

> What could possibly go wrong.

The combined corporate mass would exceed the Tolman–Oppenheimer–Volkoff limit and they would collapse into a black hole?

lukestevens• 16 years ago

But how does this counter Apple in mobile? That's what I don't get -- buy Adobe for Flash because, err, that'll hurt Apple somehow?

If they just want Flash, I bet they're bummed they didn't buy Macromedia a few years ago.

metageek• 16 years ago

Maybe pouring more resources into making Flash run well on all other devices, leaving the iPhone in the cold.

suhair• 16 years ago

"yet outside of Flash/Sliverlight battle they don't cross each other paths" - what about Microsoft's Expression Studio and similar Adobe products?

Tyrannosaurs2• 16 years ago

Technically they cross but only in the way MS Office crosses paths with Apple's iWork - that is one utterly runs the other one down.

Hardly anyone is paying for Expression Studio in the way they are for Adobe CS. The people using it are doing so because it was bundled.

ja27• 16 years ago

"Steven A. Ballmer, Microsoft’s chief executive, recently showed up with a small entourage of deputies at Adobe’s offices to hold a secret meeting..."

Ballmer's not that dumb, is he? Sounds like posturing for Apple / Google.

evo_9• 16 years ago

It's funny but I avoid Adobe products more than anyone else these days - an 'honor' held by Microsoft for a very long time. I don't know what is worse Acrobat or Flash at this point (esp. on mac).

andybak3• 16 years ago

Can everyone commenting on this please remember that Adobe produces software aside from Flash and Reader?

Those two may interfere with your browsing habits but just because you don't come into contact with anything else Adobe produces doesn't mean it doesn't have some importance in the software industry.

vincell1• 16 years ago

This is probably one of those high priced mergers that wont really help MSN compete with Apple. Doesn't Apple hate flash? And isn’t HTML5 the future? I think MSN would be better off spending money on a smaller company that can really help its mobile strategy.

codedivine• 16 years ago

Well, are Flash and AIR supported on Windows Phone 7?

aseem• 16 years ago

Does that mean the new runtime will be called FlashLight?

juanefren• 16 years ago

I think is funny enough to deserve a non-negative score :) (+1)

voxxit• 16 years ago

God help us.

neovive• 16 years ago

I just don't see the synergies of a full takeover beyond owning the rights to the PDF format. A full takeover would result in Microsoft paying a high premium for a set of desktop design applications (CS suite) that are not part of its DNA. Microsoft excels at building excellent tools for developers, but never seems to do a good job with design tools. Adobe is the opposite.

What's more possible is some sort of partnership that enables stronger PDF support in Office, improved Flash support in Windows Phone and better integration between Office and CS applications.

Microsoft's primary business is selling Windows and Office desktop licenses. Since many Adobe CS users also own Windows and Office licenses, better integration between the two suites would be beneficial for both companies. Introducing a new mobile phone OS based on Flash/Flex/Silverlight or some other combination would not be worth the acquisition cost.

rmason• 16 years ago

umjames - ColdFusion is built upon Java, of course it runs on the Mac as well as 'nix. If you go to a gathering of CF developers eighty percent of them are running Mac laptops.

smashing• 16 years ago

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

code_duck• 16 years ago

I was wondering if MS was going to buy Adobe 7-8 years ago, if not 12, but it seems odd at this point.

SwaroopH• 16 years ago

Microbe?

jasonkester• 16 years ago

This has one major implication that makes me want to root for the deal to close:

Photoshop & Flash would be covered by an MSDN subscription.

So, instead of dishing out $1000 for CS6, we need only enroll in BizSpark (or whatever Microsoft's next version of its ISV thing is called), and pay $400 for all our OS's, all our dev tools, and all our graphics stuff in one package. Now all they need to do is buy Codesmith, Red Gate and Jetbrains so that I never need to pay full price for software again.

kmfrk• 16 years ago

That and MSDNAA.

eogas2• 16 years ago

And Dreamspark!

twodayslate• 16 years ago

Thanks for telling me about BizSpark! I love you!

rbanffy11• 16 years ago

Tell that a couple years from now...

TorKlingberg• 16 years ago

This would be the final end of the desktop application. Adobe is the last remaining large independent maker of mass-market desktop applications. Everyone else has been crushed between the web, Microsoft and open source.

ja2ke• 16 years ago

Except for everyone else who still makes programs for people who create things which aren't just code or the written word... Audio, video, 3D, print and web visual design are all still done on the desktop, and only a slice of that is controlled by Adobe.

roadnottaken• 16 years ago

One big upside to this that I can see is that it might result in standardization of the Adobe CS GUI. It's been getting weirder and weirder with every new version, to the point where nothing I know about how Windows programs are supposed to behave applies.

That said, considering that MSFT just f*ed up the Office GUI (ribbon, etc) I probably shouldn't hold my breath.

Seriously, what's wrong with menus and windows?

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