Python 3 "Wall of Shame" Becomes "Wall of Superpowers" Today

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by llambda • 14 years ago

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zbowling• 14 years ago

The big one not on this list (because not in PiP) is SCons.

vosper• 14 years ago

I'd never heard of this module until now. Have you successfully replaced Make with SCons in your projects?

chmike2• 14 years ago

Yes, for my personal projects. It's much better than make. But unfortunately it needs to be installed while make is preinstalled on nearly all unixes. Now I always use qt creator for my personnal projects. It's excellent.

X-Istence• 14 years ago

The startup I work for uses scons for all of our projects other than Java/Python. So C++/C mainly.

Without it we'd most likely still be pulling our hair out trying to deal with make/cmake/qmake/what have you...

slurgfest• 14 years ago

waf (a fork of scons) works on Python 3 already.

zokier• 14 years ago

I don't think waf could be considered a fork of scons

> When Thomas Nagy decided that SCons's fundamental issues (most notably the poor scalability) were too complex and time-consuming to fix, he started a complete rewrite which he named Waf.

bjourne• 14 years ago

Does that matter though? SCons is a standalone program and you can easily have parallel versions of Python installed.

po• 14 years ago

Feature request! I wish this site would let you upload (or copy-paste) a requirements.txt file and then tell you what libraries you need to focus on fixing up for your project.

jQueryIsAwesome• 14 years ago

Here you go; just paste it in the Javascript Console: https://gist.github.com/4264971 (FF and Chrome tested)

Just drag and drop the "requirements.txt" file over the website and that's it.

I sent the gist to the author of the app too (not the submitter) so perhaps he will include it in the code.

baldfat• 14 years ago

Seems like Plone = 19 entries. That one fix would cut it down almost 40%.

rbanffy• 14 years ago

Porting Zope 2 would probably equire about a dozen Jim Fultons...

angersock• 14 years ago

This could be the year of Python 3.0 on the desk^H^H^H^Hserv^H^H^H^H...looks like we need to keep waiting. Maybe I can one day use Django on 3.0.

Back to Ruby on Rails, I guess.

EDIT: Ruby 2.0 is taking a little while too--I kid because I love. <3 Python folks.

LVB• 14 years ago

That day could be today, for Django.

rozap2• 14 years ago

Django 1.5 is in python 3. Soon it shall be so.

Though, MySQL-python, South, and Fabric are still red. South and Fabric make django projects so much easier to deal with, especially once deployed. It will be interesting to see what happens when 1.5 is released. I presume they'll be released along with 1.5, or follow right on the heals of it?

zalew• 14 years ago

> Django 1.5 is in python 3

Django 1.5 has experimental Python3 compatibility.

mercurial• 14 years ago

Fabric depends on Paramiko, which is still red anyway.

dlisboa• 14 years ago

Ruby 2.0 won't introduce as many incompatibilities, though. Something like the 2to3 tool wouldn't be needed. Most code is just expected to work as is.

I'm waiting for Python 3 to become de facto for newer/active libraries. Right now there's still a little standoffish demeanor about Python development for the future. I'd want to write in 3 but some important libraries are still backed up, so you're kinda forced to learn the idiosyncrasies of the porting scenario even though you'll most likely not need to know that 2 years from now when Python 3 is king.

Perhaps because the gains from Ruby 1.9 compared to 1.8 were a lot more enticing the community ported the libraries pretty swiftly. I don't see much hurry in the Python community, and some even talk about not porting at all.

chimeracoder• 14 years ago

For those who missed the context of the title, the footer of the page:

> Note that this subdomain's called "python3wos" - once the status goes beyond 50%, the title of the site automatically becomes "Python 3 Wall of Superpowers". I kid you not.

fatbird3• 14 years ago

Armin Ronacher's essay on the flaws of Python 3 seems to translate to his pet projects lagging on conversion. Which is a pity because they're great small, well-focussed pieces like werkzeug and Flask.

graue2• 14 years ago

Agreed. There is an unofficial Python 3 port of Flask and Werkzeug, apparently[1]. And Armin says he started a “secret branch” a few months ago to explore adding Python 3 support[2], but no news since then.

The sense I get from the essay[3] is that Python 3.0/3.1 were quite flawed, but that more recent minor versions have been moving in the right direction. I'll admit I haven't personally done much more with Python 3.x than kick the tires a bit.

1. https://github.com/puzzlet/flask

2. https://github.com/mitsuhiko/flask/issues/587

3. http://lucumr.pocoo.org/2011/12/7/thoughts-on-python3/

lucian19002• 14 years ago

Python 3 is still not useful. It fixes too little for too great a cost.

There are much more interesting things to port to (like PyPy).

ableal• 14 years ago

(A.R. essay, 2011.12:)

'Because as it stands, Python 3 is the XHTML of the programming language world. It's incompatible to what it tries to replace but does not offer much besides being more “correct”.'

Ouch. Too close to the bone.

Goranek• 14 years ago

i think he said on twitter, he'll try to port to p3 during xmas vacation

shared4you• 14 years ago

I'm surprised that it doesn't list Matplotlib, which is widely popular and supports Python 3.

yummyfajitas• 14 years ago

Scipy is listed, and maybe matplotlib is considered a subset of scipy.

Now that scipy is supported, I'll start taking a look at python 3.

takluyver• 14 years ago

It goes by the number of downloads from PyPI. I guess that's lower for matplotlib, because installing it from PyPI usually means compiling from source, which is a pain for something as complex as matplotlib. Many people probably get it from a binary package manager, or from an all-in-one Python distribution like EPD.

raverbashing• 14 years ago

Funny, not sure how they assemble this table

Take gunicorn for example, marked green. On the website it says:

Gunicorn requires Python 2.x >= 2.6. Python 3.x support is planned.

mvzink• 14 years ago

It says the information is from PyPI, and gunicorn is in the "Python 3" category on PyPI. That might be it.

Edit: aha, that's probably the case. At the bottom of the page, it says:

> If a module is red though it supports python 3 it's because they don't have the "Programming Language :: Python :: 3" tag.

chmike2• 14 years ago

Why are the packages not sorted by names ? Tornado not there ? Wtf with the background ?

andyn• 14 years ago

I assume they're sorted by the number of downloads from the Python packaging index (PyPI).

Tornado might be one of those packages people install from their distro's package or download from the parent website rather than via PyPi.

As for the background ... <shrugs>

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