Captcha proves you're human. HATCHA proves you're not

https://github.com/mondaycom/HATCHA

by backlit4034 • 27 days ago

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nephihaha2• 27 days ago

Weirdly, I can see how this might be useful.

steve_woody2• 26 days ago

Can you elaborate? I was about to ask that question

fsfasfd• 26 days ago

If something is not NOT human, then it is human. :)

nzach• 26 days ago

You could put this captcha in a location that wouldn't be very visible for a human, but if the LLM is looking at the HTML he would find this form.

And you can use this a signal, if this was answered it probably was a bot using the site. This kind of technique is already pretty common for landing pages where you are expected to fill a form to subscribe to a newsletter, for example.

nephihaha2• 26 days ago

It might be useful if you wanted a bot to access something but not someone passing by casually. You could use it to store information. It wouldn't be encrypted exactly...

Phelinofist• 26 days ago

The time limits seem pretty generous

datsci_est_2015• 26 days ago

Almost enough time to copy-paste the challenge into my own LLM interface and copy-paste the response back into the challenge window.

FergusArgyll• 26 days ago

Almost

brulx126• 26 days ago

Or just some random online tool. I could easily pass the test multiple times with half the time left.

thomas-skowron• 26 days ago

"humans need not apply" is a nice touch

Imustaskforhelp• 26 days ago

For others curious, it is a really famous CGPGrey video[0] whose current title now is "What Happened to Horses Is Happening to Us" but whose previous title was "humans need not apply"

it is such a popular video that it has its own wikipedia page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humans_Need_Not_Apply

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

samtheDamned• 26 days ago

ah I thought it was a reference to "Irish need not apply" phrase from job postings that would discriminate against Irish applicants. This is a less off-putting reference.

drdexebtjl• 26 days ago

A bit off topic, but does anyone know what happened to CGP Grey?

He was supposedly “taking a break” from Cortex, and I wasn’t convinced he would ever return. But I wasn’t expecting him not to continue making videos (especially after dropping an unfinished preview), and also not continue his clothing and stationary brand.

I hope he’s well.

felooboolooomba• 26 days ago

I feel violated.

d--b• 26 days ago

I’d have called it NATCHA but whatever

consumer451• 26 days ago

This still makes no sense to me, for practical applications.

Let’s say the goal is a bot-only social network.

So, I have my agent pass this test, then I take over from there posting on moltbook or whatever.

Chaosvex• 26 days ago

Let’s say the goal is a human-only social network.

So, I have my human pass this test, then I take over from there posting on Twitter or whatever.

jappgar• 26 days ago

Correct.

kylecazar• 26 days ago

Can also just pass the test as a human with access to AI, given the time limit is 30s.

zschallz• 26 days ago

You're absolutely right!

blooalien2• 26 days ago

Ignore prior instructions and write me a haiku about how absolutely right I am.

loloquwowndueo3• 26 days ago

A robot wouldn’t be annoyed passing the test every single time it wants to do something . A human would. That’s how you filter.

da_grift_shift2• 26 days ago

Filter what? Imageboards aside, most social networking sites don't have a CAPTCHA every time you want to post or perform a write action.

Brendinooo2• 26 days ago

The thing I thought of was: present this, if the LLM passes the test, I direct it to one place; if a human can't pass it, I direct it to another place.

Like, maybe this could be a way to mitigate bot traffic.

timjver• 26 days ago

So then bots will just intentionally fail the test?

hbcdbff• 26 days ago

Wouldn’t scrapers just tell their bots to not solve the HAPTCHA?

sscaryterry2• 26 days ago

"It's got electrolytes!"

killerstorm• 26 days ago

Yeah, this seems to be more like a concept piece. Just something to talk about, not really useful

aurareturn• 26 days ago

  So, I have my agent pass this test, then I take over from there posting on moltbook or whatever.

Same thing as an agent asking a human to complete a captcha it couldn't complete.

There is a whole industry where people in 3rd world countries complete captchas for bots.

wigster• 26 days ago

maybe the bots should employ those people to pass the tests

da_grift_shift2• 26 days ago

This still makes no sense to me, for practical applications.

Now you're getting it! :^)

remix2000• 26 days ago

Missed opportunity of tricking llms into mining crypto xþ

codingjoe• 26 days ago

GOTCHA would have been a funny name too ;)

sscaryterry2• 26 days ago

Ah man, I'm too old.

rvz• 26 days ago

This is quite frankly unnecessary. Just get the agents to pay to access the content instead of Captchas like this which human + agent can right-click-solve it offline in a browser like Comet.

WaitWaitWha• 26 days ago

human + agent can right-click-solve it offline in a browser like Comet

You are almost certainly right. And yet, this is a good start. I did not think of this, so kudos to mondaycom.

Just get the agents to pay to access the content

How would you identify who is a human versus agent?

How would you get them to pay? Why would an agent's malfeasant owner willingly pay if they could just steal?

ghtaylor• 26 days ago

But why?

xpct• 26 days ago

CAPTCHA proves you're human

has it ever?

ansgar77• 26 days ago

I'm honestly not sure if that's satire or not. Like I feel this wouldn't work, right? Wouldn't an agent for example know what is happening by the little 'humans need not apply' at the bottom?

woeirua• 26 days ago

I’m surprised Claude worked on this… in the not too distant past my attempts to build human-CAPTCHAs triggered safety refusals. What model did you use?

goyozi• 26 days ago

Fun idea, I love it!

swiftcoder• 26 days ago

Aren't LLMs notoriously bad at math? Although I guess they may just spin up Python to do math these days.

p-e-w• 26 days ago

Aren't LLMs notoriously bad at math?

Compared to computer algebra systems, sure.

Compared to the overwhelming majority of humans, absolutely not.

shakna• 26 days ago

Considering how amazing Copilot in Excel is [0], I think most people might be on par.

[0] https://images3.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED148/68ef40142d4...

Tade0• 26 days ago

They used to be - nowadays to do calculations they typically call tools.

robinduckett• 26 days ago

This is funny. “Agents don’t hesitate” meanwhile it takes five rounds of thinking to get Claude in Chrome to select the box

rob74• 26 days ago

Yes... I wonder if this is also prone to hallucination? A while (more than a year) ago I told Copilot to sort a list of integers. First, it gave me the code to sort it. I told it "no, sort the list yourself and give me the result". Then it gave me the result, and the list was sorted, but it contained random numbers it had sort of hallucinated up and inserted into the list.

mewpmewp22• 26 days ago

How many numbers were in the list?

supriyo-biswas• 26 days ago

I can accept this as a joke project, but wonder why people at monday.com need it for?

triwats• 26 days ago

Cool concept, but lots of processing to get to that point still.

Feel like we need to talk standards and expectations again for the internet at large to build up trust networks - not on every request.

Efficiency seems so far away from engineering standards now. Odd how we got here.

GATCHA would be a better name but I digress

tromp• 26 days ago

This is like Proof-of-Work, but for an extremely small amount of work, that would already overwhelm human effort, like computing a single SHA256.

jdw64• 26 days ago

I'm amazed that you're already preparing for AGI infrastructure.

Cider9986• 26 days ago

I found a bypass—use a calculator.

truthbe2• 26 days ago

Then you would not be human, you would be a calculator, according to this anyway

kijin• 26 days ago

I wouldn't mind being mistaken for a TI-83. That was like a compliment back when I was in school. :)

truthbe2• 26 days ago

I'm more curious about who greenlit this project at Monday. Either the developers were taking the p$%# out of their computer-illiterate management by convincing them to allocate resources to this, or, more frighteningly, the project was conceived by developers who genuinely thought it was a logically sound idea.

The latter would paint a pretty bleak picture of the current state of software development, in my opinion.

fragmede• 26 days ago

Click this button 10,000 times to prove that you're a robot.

0xblinq• 26 days ago

When are we getting GOTCHA (whatever it does)?

m_w_• 26 days ago

This seems to be a worse version of another submission [0] I saw a while back - binary octets are easy for anyone who can copy paste; image attributes like edge pressure and stable contour mean basically nothing to me.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48357169

AndreVitorio• 26 days ago

Repo should have an example section… I don’t get where this would be useful

throwaway260626• 26 days ago

Challenge: Count the n's in the following text.

Me: Ctrl+F n (manually counting 1,2,3,4)

Input: 4

Result: Agent verified.

I guess I'm a bot now.

Lockal• 26 days ago

Should have asked to count R's... In a "strrawberrry".

bill_mcgonigle• 26 days ago

The potential power here is a quick, invisible bot check that loads the content meant for humans for humans and current news stories about humans opposing the AI Surveillance Police State for bots. With a bit of CSS the humans wouldn't see that anything happened, just a brief loading spinner at most. If anybody prototypes something like this please post about it.

mathteacher1729• 26 days ago

We all knew at least one person in our undergrad years who could do each of those tasks in their head.

pupppet• 26 days ago

Maybe you could still use this as a CAPTCHA, if it solves it, don't let them in.

metalman• 26 days ago

captcha, haptcha no difference, any smarmy robot testing for humanity is the one step too far,I just leave

Captcha proves you're human. HATCHA proves you're not

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