Show HN: Kan.bn – An open-source alterative to Trello

It takes forever to compile, the locally hosted solution links to the online one at https://kan.bn and you've got to spend half a day to figure out how to truly self host

mbesto2• 1 year ago

I went down the rabbit hole of self hosted kanban boards recently. Honestly, nothing comes close to Trello and while I love the open source communities (and supporting them), these alternatives usually dont come close, or worse they try to be super feature rich and its get in the way of their functionality. The better open source options tend to be airtable alternatives or full blown project management tools (Eigenboard, Plane, etc)

progx2• 1 year ago

Sorry, but I can't see what is better or other than every existing kanban-tool. I tried it, but you have only drag & drop lists with items and labels, that is all.

progx2• 1 year ago

I don't want to blame you, you have put in a lot of work. My point is, that at the current state, your kanban offers nothing special. It is like the other 1000 kanban boards.

I think you should specialize your board for a selected audience. Not a board for all, that kind of boards we have.

Example: Kanban with special features for game developement. More visual options, images and not only text. Currently there exists only some really overbloated tools.

cellularmitosis• 1 year ago

Nice project. Some of the workflows could be more keyboard friendly. I started an issue: https://github.com/kanbn/kan/issues/3

jpc0• 1 year ago

I would love to see webhook support add to this.

For many users this isn’t an issue but for use it’s a must have feature.

Will stick to trello for the time being.

xet721• 1 year ago

WeKan https://wekan.github.io has:

1) Per-board webhooks at board right sidebar / Board Settings / Webhooks

2) Global Webhooks at Admin Panel

See right menu of https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki , scroll down to webhooks part of menu.

It's possible to send board change events like move card as webhooks, for example to some chat:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/Outgoing-Webhook-to-Disc...

Or to NodeRED:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/issues/2017

or to to some PHP webhook receiver like this, that can use Python code to call WeKan API:

https://github.com/wekan/webhook/blob/main/public/index.php#...

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/blob/main/api.py

henryball19• 1 year ago

This is a cool idea - I've added it to the roadmap!

mbreese• 1 year ago

I think one thing that might help the discussion would be if you could explain a bit more about what you didn't like or thought was missing from other alternatives. IMO, there's nothing wrong with building an alternative because you wanted to, but if there is some feature that you're specifically trying to do support, it would be helpful to mention it here.

AntiqueFig• 1 year ago

Shouldn't this be a "Show HN:" post?

henryball19• 1 year ago

You're right - I thought I had posted it to show HN but obviously not...

Closi4• 1 year ago

Just as a heads up, that roadmap you linked is broken.

The formatting looks all off for me on chrome mac (black bars) and then if I click on a card it opens a window but then doesn't load any data.

Also it looks like a bug that if you filter by some tags, then click a card, the filter gets reset.

This is 5 secs of testing on the one board you have publicly shared, so there might be a few bugs to iron out!

Closi4• 1 year ago

A few other trivial bugs I have found:

* Can create multiple workspaces with same name which then ticks both * Invite user seems to not work randomly or will not send the email * Cards with special characters like @ will just not be created, and won't show error messages.

tiffanyh• 1 year ago

Feedback (since you asked) ...

Using the kanban for your roadmap, https://kan.bn/kan/roadmap two things I noticed:

1. When I click a card, no data is present. It's just an empty card that says "Activity".

2. After you click a few cards, it hijacks your browser Back button.

johnisgood2• 1 year ago

kadutskyi• 1 year ago

Scrollbar in Safari looks wrong.

andruby• 1 year ago

Really cool you built this!

Can you elaborate a bit on what you were missing or didn’t like from the other existing open source Trello clones?

I’m curious what potentially different choices/trade-offs you made.

caseysoftware• 1 year ago

Congrats, strong start.

What are you doing (plan to do) that is more interesting/compelling/useful than anyone else?

Also, what have you learned so far? What surprised you?

abcd_f2• 1 year ago

Kanban reimagined

In which way exactly?

Also, is there a demo account to try it out?

henryball19• 1 year ago

Thanks for checking it out!

Kanban reimagined to focus on speed, simplicity, and user experience - all while being open source.

I haven’t had a chance to set up a demo account yet (just added it to the roadmap), but you’re welcome to sign up and try it out in the meantime :)

abcd_f2• 1 year ago

You may want to rethink your pitch.

Virtually all kanbans, being ultimately todo lists, focus on "simplicity, speed and user experience". You have an open source going for yours, but there is already a ton of O/S kanbans as well.

rodolphoarruda2• 1 year ago

"I couldn’t find an ... alternative ... that I liked so I built my own."

Congrats! That's a brave move. I've been using Kanboard for years. Good luck with your project!

henryball19• 1 year ago

Cheers! Kanboard is a great project, but I found the UI/UX a bit lacking (just personal preference)

rodolphoarruda2• 1 year ago

I agree. UI/UX lacks some basic data like the project start date, which is kind of odd for a PM app.

SwiftyBug• 1 year ago

Im curious about the choice of Next.js for an open source project as Next.js is notoriously painful to deploy to anything other than Vercel.

herrkanin• 1 year ago

The difficulty to deploy Next.js is greatly exaggerated in my opinion. It's mostly if you care about some of the more advanced features, like image optimization and hosting static assets on a different origin it can become difficult, but these are features no Next.js alternative generally provide anyway.

mstade• 1 year ago

Even with the optimizations it's not that difficult in my experience. Not terribly well documented (not worst-in-class either) but not that hard and mostly just works once you have a pipeline up and running. We set ours up about two years ago now and have had to make minor modifications maybe three times since then.

diggan3• 1 year ago

hosting static assets on a different origin it can become difficult

What's the alternative? Hosting the static assets on the same place as the backend? Usually adding the CORS headers is enough to solve that (on the backend side), the frontend is still just HTML,CSS and JS running from nginx.

Is it common to do a different type of deployment with Next.js? It's a pretty basic deployment scenario (having the frontend on a different origin than the backend it communicates with), so not sure why that'd be so difficult with Next.js compared to basically anything else.

freedomben2• 1 year ago

Same. I've deployed a half dozen or so Next.js apps and it's no more difficult than any other node app unless you're using some of the more advanced features. In fact, if you only need something static and can do SSG then it's far easier than other node apps because all you need is nginx.

TiredOfLife• 1 year ago

It's what v0 and similar tools choose as default.

danabramov• 1 year ago

Next.js is not difficult to deploy on a long-lived server. It’s just a normal Node app.

What’s more painful is deployment to other serverless providers because historically they’ve had to reverse-engineer a few details for more advanced features. This is being fixed now in https://github.com/vercel/next.js/discussions/77740 but that work is ongoing.

hxtk• 1 year ago

This isn’t something I’ve found with NextJS, but I also haven’t tried a lot of other, similar frameworks because I’m mostly a backend and SRE person who just learned NextJS so I could throw together pretty UIs to demo my backend ideas, so maybe I’m missing things that are well known among front-end specialists.

My experience is that a basic deployment is very easy—it’s like a ten line Dockerfile to build a distroless nodejs container of the standalone build and if you deploy it, it just works.

Then, as performance demands grow, there’s increasingly more complexity in the efforts that must be taken to squeeze additional performance out of it. An easy win is to host the static resources more efficiently with a static file server or better yet a CDN.

A more complex performance optimization is to implement caching.

At some point you start thinking about how to separate the middleware execution from the app so that it can be hosted in more regions or at the edge.

Vercel provides all of those optimizations for free in terms of operational complexity, and charges a lot for it monetarily, but it’s not all that surprising to me that when I host an application it takes some effort to get performance and feature parity with a dedicated hosting provider for that service, just like how I am not surprised that RDS is a little more complicated, more performant, and more reliable than renting the equivalent EC2 and installing Postgres from the package manager.

Caveat: as a backend dev, I’ve never written anything that relied entirely on NextJS as the server side, so I’m approaching this with a certain amount of baseline complexity already assumed. I’ve not touched NextJS static sites or incremental static regeneration.

Do other frontend frameworks make it much easier to incorporate those performance optimizations? My impression is that it’s not all that hard to deploy NextJS, it’s just hard to manage the complexity of optimizing it to the extent that Vercel’s hosting does.

yc942• 1 year ago

Maybe it's difficult to deploy to your platform of choice. Deploying to AWS amplify or deploying using sst is matter of minutes or hour.

I have deployed several next.js projects within an hour (not hours) that were created by different teams. The hour includes settings up DNS, CI/CD using github and deploying to AWS Amplify.

Edit: Why are you down voting it? Is this unbelievable? I have deployed 5/6 next.js projects and none of them are on vercel.

RitzyMage• 1 year ago

Deploying next is difficult, but IMO that's because deploying anything substantial is difficult. I've had my share of nasty deployment debugging that took days and none of it was due to next. (the biggest offenders I've seen are (1) random open source software no one on my team is an expert on, (2) docker / kubernetes, (3) databases, and (4) integration hell)

kashnote• 1 year ago

It’s as easy as deploying any other app that can be Dockerized. Deploying to something like Fargate isn’t _super_ trivial but can be done in <2 hours

notyouraibot• 1 year ago

Just use Linear.

henryball19• 1 year ago

Linear is great, but it's not the same as Trello and it's not open source

bitsignal• 1 year ago

having mardown support for code blocks would be good.

henryball19• 1 year ago

Thanks for the feedback - this is a great shout! I've added to the roadmap :)

xet721• 1 year ago

WeKan https://wekan.github.io has markdown and GitHub emoji support https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/Emoji at board titles, swimlane titles, cards, card descriptions, checklists, comments, etc. Card comments also have user reactions like thumbsup, etc.

hnthrowaway121• 1 year ago

Hi! Your license link is a 404, just FYI

henryball19• 1 year ago

Great spot, thank you! Fixed :)

mdtrooper• 1 year ago

Some years ago, I used Kanboard (it written in php): https://kanboard.org/ . It was ugly but useful (and easy to install because I remember that it didn't need any data base).

kiney• 1 year ago

I still use it. Love the simplicity.

rsolva• 1 year ago

I threw it on a shared host and was up and running in notime. The UI is dated, but it is very functional.

calrain4• 1 year ago

I've been testing using AI coding agents by asking an AI acting as a software designer to build a set of kanban style cards as .md files in a directory, designing the work we talked about into cards for AI developers.

It works quite well, and then you can review the cards (as files) and then ask another AI agent running as whatever role is suitable for that card, to pick up the card by name and do the work.

But there is no kanban board, it's just .md files in a folder.

I am continuing to test this, as transfer of context between AI sessions is an interesting challenge, and leveraging md files as if they are kanban / agile style cards, is interesting.

karn972• 1 year ago

What is with you people and the quest of degrading your own while feeling really happy about it like it's some amazing thing?

calrain4• 1 year ago

AI is just a tool, it's no more useful than a non-complaining junior dev that constantly needs direction, but it sure can cut out a lot of repetitive work.

I am more productive using it, but that is just me.

capitalatrisk• 1 year ago

Chuckled at this, nice one.

cjbgkagh• 1 year ago

But degrading an other is ok? From the very beginning tech was about making jobs easier, and now it’s easier to make jobs easier, including our own. So I think it’s ethically consistent to be happy about both, even if our own jobs are at risk.

My rational as to why this is a good thing in general was and remains a focus on generating consumer surplus, it’s this surplus which we as a people derive our wealth. The hope was that the surplus would be sufficient to cover the loss of those that lost their jobs, either in wealth redistribution or in new opportunities.

What’s different this time is productivity increases are not being met with an increase in demand. This will drastically increase inequality and to a lesser extent civil unrest, and I think both are destructive. I think financialization of the economy did greater damage, and the combination of both is going to really suck. I would prefer we keep productivity improvements and reverse the financialization even if that means pensions are decimated - they are probably going to be decimated anyway. Better to do it in a way that causes less damage.

stuartjohnson12• 1 year ago

If automating your job is degrading yourself, then engineers are the most debased of whores.

cloudking• 1 year ago

Try https://www.task-master.dev it handles this smoothly

calrain4• 1 year ago

Will try, thanks!

XCSme• 1 year ago

Congrats, any plans to add it as a Collify app?

henryball19• 1 year ago

Cheers! Yes, I plan to make it as easy as possible to self-host so Coolify and Dokploy apps are on the roadmap

esskay• 1 year ago

Feels like Trello alternatives are the next ToDo list. There's so many of them these days that I struggle to grasp why anyone thinks launching an opensource one and thinking they can turn a profit with a cloud version is ever going to work.

In all likelihood the project will be abandoned in 6 months and the site offline in 12.

dabeeeenster2• 1 year ago

The market for an on-premise, developer maintained solution is way bigger for a product like this than the cloud version.

We made the exact same, incorrect assumption with https://github.com/Flagsmith/flagsmith several years ago. The market for data sensitive on-premise delpoyments is a LOT bigger than most people would imagine.

For Flagsmith, the majority of our revenue comes from on-premise deployments.

ensemblehq• 1 year ago

Wholeheartedly agree. On-prem is still a major market to play in and have worked on many consulting engagements architecting software that plays nicely. Just curious - how do you guys deploy Flagsmith on-prem? I'm still trying to find a nice deployment pattern that aligns well with both client and vendor.

libraryatnight• 1 year ago

"The market for an on-premise, developer maintained solution..."

This made me laugh because at work we've been joking, "We've finished moving to the cloud! What now? We must get out of the cloud!"

bryanhogan3• 1 year ago

The amount of high quality Kanban / Trello-like options is low while the need for these is very high. At the same time getting started in building such a tool doesn't require a lot of resources.

I think it's a good thing and I hope to see one that can replace my Notion Kanban soon.

kingkongjaffa• 1 year ago

What makes it high quality in your experience?

(I’m doing customer research for my own kanban startup) /s

xet721• 1 year ago

For replacing Notion Kanban, maybe AFFiNE, that is mostly MIT license:

https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE

But some part of server code license may need checking:

https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE/blob/canary/packages/...

mrbluecoat• 1 year ago

Agreed. The AGPL license was the nail in the coffin for me.

ta1243• 1 year ago

Why? Did you want to use it, extend it, and sell proprietary addons yourself?

I haven't looked much at AGPL, how does it hurt the user?

hliyan• 1 year ago

I think what the industry is missing is some sort of interoperability standard/format for task management. I say this as someone who has been jumping from task tracker to task tracker since the early 2000's -- Trac, Jira, Redmine, Github Tasks, Trello, ClickUp, Linear, and several tools I developed myself. In each case, we rediscover/reinvent/redefine the same things: tasks, subtasks, summaries, descriptions, due dates, statuses, comments, milestones, dependencies etc. If there was some interoperability standard for task trackers, the tool churn wouldn't feel so tedious.

rapnie• 1 year ago

Not exactly what you are after, but related. There is ForgeFed [0] as a standard for code forge federation. It is an extension of ActivityPub [1] social web protocol, and thus far includes all the basic elements to facilitate task management / kanban. The project is wholly volunteer-driven, and recently received NLnet support to mature the standard further. Recently the maintainers were asking for feedback to help improve the specs. Various forges such as Gitlab [2] and Forgejo [3] are adding support for ActivityPub and considering ForgeFed support too.

[0] https://forgefed.org/spec/

[1] https://www.w3.org/TR/activitypub/

[2] https://gitlab.com/groups/gitlab-org/-/epics/11247

[3] https://codeberg.org/forgejo-contrib/federation

xet721• 1 year ago

Moving issues between some of those is possible:

https://github.com/git-bug/git-bug

Gitea has some one-time imports, but maybe not yet full mirroring of everything, I have not checked latest status.

https://about.gitea.com

akshayKMR• 1 year ago

I'm in search of something simple like this.

I tried the demo at https://kan.bn/kan/roadmap but clicking on the card shows the skeleton placeholder, doesn't seem to load the card content.

tspng• 1 year ago

Congratulation on releasing this project, despite some of the criticism mentioned here.

One issue I encountered. I cannot seem to create lists containing works like Todo, Done, .... No error message is shown. Creating lists with random strings always work though.

henryball19• 1 year ago

Thanks for the support and for flagging - I've not seen that behaviour before, but I'll raise a ticket to investigate!

AnonC• 1 year ago

Suggestion to the OP: please consider adding a family plan at a lower monthly price point.

On this topic, I really love Kanban boards, but a hosted version (or self-hosted) is not as appealing to me as a native app with some sync.

Years ago, I used to use a closed source but free desktop app on Windows (now long discontinued though) and found that it worked very well for me to track my work.

Apple’s Reminders app has Lists that can be further divided into Sections and then viewed and used (kinda) like a Kanban board, but the UX is not great. The macOS apps, especially, are an abomination with Catalyst.

I’m still looking for a native app that has a simple sync using iCloud or Dropbox. Plus no subscriptions (a one time price per version may be ok). The usage would be for one or two users.

sen• 1 year ago

I use the KanBan plugin for Obsidian and have quite liked it. It’s basic but it does the job and lets you sync however you want (it’s just a folder with markdown files).

rubymamis• 1 year ago

You can check my FOSS note-taking app: https://www.notes-foss.com. It is a native Qt C++ app.

It has a feature that converts your Markdown tasks into a Kanban: https://www.notes-foss.com/videos/kanban.mp4

It doesn't have a built-in sync, but people have told me they managed to sync the DB using Dropbox and other such services.

It has a one time payment option to unlock the Kanban feature, but you can also compile it yourself and get all the Pro features for free (all instructions are on GitHub[1]).

[1] https://github.com/nuttyartist/notes

Jean-Philipe• 1 year ago

This looks really nice! I loved trello and I'm always happy to see alternatives. My two cents: I use the keyboard a lot, so when I hit "enter" on a form, e.g. to create a board, it closes the popup instead of creating that board.

rollcat3• 1 year ago

Yep, the "market" is littered with Trello clones. I was also a big fan - until they went downhill (basically everything post-Atlassian). What most of the clones miss, is Trello's enormous attention to details - like excellent keyboard navigation.

What I also miss, is that with Trello, a board is a board, a list is a list, and a card is a card. The builtins are simple and flexible, the add-ons are optional. Most clones try too hard to guardrail boards into a ticket tracking system. We already have Jira for that.

blackqueeriroh• 1 year ago

How has Trello gone downhill post-Atlassian, exactly?

sfmike• 1 year ago

trello has gotten worse and worse actually could charge for features like n8n and more extensibility. Its gotten the opposite of kanban and zen where I just want clean cards it forces weird views and panels and overlays and difficult to find boards now it wants you to switch to other atlassian products from trello as a priority on the left over just trello unfortunately its the classic indie product amazing then eaten by Private equity until just crumbs are left and its just an acquisition vehicle until it turns rotten and shut down as a cost saver.

xet721• 1 year ago

Maybe use n8n with WeKan?

https://docs.n8n.io/integrations/builtin/app-nodes/n8n-nodes...

https://wekan.github.io

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44165008

tarasyarema• 1 year ago

Nice one, more of a random question: are you planning on having paid only features for the project, or have it fully self-hosted version be the same in terms of features as the hosted one?

henryball19• 1 year ago

The plan currently is to keep cloud and self-hosted exactly the same in terms of features. I'd only consider open-core if I can't find a reliable alternative source of income to support the development of the project :)

submeta• 1 year ago

I absolutely love Trello. Visually super appealing, very fast interface with shortcuts, and an API that allows me to do all sorts of automations (although it offers automations out of the box).

Will check out your solution.

OsrsNeedsf2P• 1 year ago

very fast interface with shortcuts

Trello has either had some serious performance improvements since I last used it, or you have very few cards and no media. It used to take seconds for actions to process.

rollcat3• 1 year ago

IMHO many "open source alternatives to" should drop that tagline.

This sentence is the first thing I read, and likely the last.

I don't know what "Trello" is. I don't see what your project or app could do for me. Even if I knew Trello, I wouldn't know why does it need an alternative. (Trello was (is?) great for personal use, by non-technical people.)

"A powerful, flexible kanban app that helps you organise work, track progress, and deliver results—all in one place." This is your selling point, not what your app isn't.

imglorp• 1 year ago

Yeah the tagline is leaning on the context, saying what it replaces instead of what it does.

Trello was a popular, free, simple sticky note kanban board. It was too nice, maybe competing with Jira, so Atlassian ate it, leaving a void again.

stronglikedan• 1 year ago

If the marketing doesn't work for you, then it's not that it's bad marketing, it's that you simply aren't the target market.

freedomben2• 1 year ago

I would be careful suggesting this as a universal truth. I think it really depends on the receiver of the message. "An open-source alternative to Trello" is by far the best one-sentence pitch possible for me. It's something that I've wanted for years so I immediately noticed and clicked into it. Obviously I already know what Trello is, but my suspicion is the most interested people in this project are former Trello users.

"A powerful, flexible kanban app that helps you organise work, track progress, and deliver results—all in one place." I would not have even clicked in. "An open source Trello" tells me way more about the app.

Consider also how many apps are described as "the uber for <xyz>". For people who don't know what Uber is that message falls very flat of course, but a lot of people do know what Uber is and saying, "The Uber for handymen" immediately conveys the point of the app.

xet721• 1 year ago

Kanban https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanban

GlacierFox5• 1 year ago

Random curious question. I was pondering the kanban backend. How do you store the order of the kanban cards in your database and keep that in sync with what's in the UI?

loumf2• 1 year ago

Here is the answer for Trello: each card and list has a field called “pos” which is a number. The initial values are spread out (e.g. 1000, 2000, 3000) and then when you move a card, it takes on the average of the two adjacent cards.

So, if I move the 3rd card to the 2nd position, its “pos” becomes 1500. This means it doesn’t have to constantly renumber the cards -- but, every once and a while, the server does reorder the “pos” fields for a whole list and send the new values down the socket.

GlacierFox5• 1 year ago

Thank you for this, that's so simple and I'd never stumble on that solution which is embarrassing haha. How do you know the Trello internals by the way? You work there?

neucoas• 1 year ago

This concept is called "lexorank"

somat• 1 year ago

I was going to guess linked lists/graphs as that is my goto for extremely flexible local structure. But the sparse array is probably better, relational databases hate linked lists.

xet721• 1 year ago

Here is answer for WeKan https://wekan.github.io

Order is stored to sort field as number. When changing order with JQuery Draggable/Droppable/Sortable, it saves new order to browserside MiniMongo, that is made with Javascript, and then to serverside MongoDB. It is possible use mouse or touchscreen to drag drop reorder board icons at All Boards page, swimlanes, lists, cards and checklists. There are also roles at right sidebar avatar icons popup settings, so BoardAdmin can drag drop everything, and there are some limits for other roles, like Normal, CommentOnly etc https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44165257

For realtime updates, Meteor web framework reads realtime changes from MongoDB OpLog (operations log), and with Publish/Subscribe at realtime updates all changes immediately for all users, like what card moved, etc.

There is in progress of adding support for other databases, like SQLite etc.

GlacierFox5• 1 year ago

Thank your for this info!

oldgregg• 1 year ago

Great project, will give it a try, we've been using another open source trello clone that has been pretty solid and very closely clones the trello UI.

https://github.com/plankanban/planka

henryball19• 1 year ago

Thank you! Planka is a great project, but I found the fact it closely clones Trello's UI to be its biggest downfall. I'm hoping to build on top of Trello's simplicity and customisability with a modern UI/UX interface.

tshannon• 1 year ago

Planka is awesome, too bad it's no longer Open Source.

singiamtel• 1 year ago

The project seems nice, but how good is that domain name

henryball19• 1 year ago

I'm so glad it's getting some recognition!

ulrischa• 1 year ago

https://kanboard.org ist better for self hosting. Runs on any cheap LAMP

anonymous344• 1 year ago

biggest problems with trello, having using it 14 years or so - if user deletes card/list/board it's gone forever for whole group - i want to share board with secret link(no login) but this user cannot have rights to open any card, maybe just comment. Not available at all in trello

xet721• 1 year ago

WeKan https://wekan.github.io has CommentOnly role, that can be set by BoardAdmin by clicking at board right sidebar board member avatar, or with API:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/REST-API-Role

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/blob/main/api.py

wood_spirit• 1 year ago

This will sound crazy but I wish there was an open source “everything” app. If this could grow into a slack alternative (where channels can host a kanban board) with http bot api and built in charting and dashboards and python notebook snippets etc etc so we can get things in one place… that would be great!!

arcastroe• 1 year ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scope_creep

xet721• 1 year ago

a) Nextcloud

b) AFFiNE https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE but check some part of server license, what is allowed: https://github.com/toeverything/AFFiNE/blob/canary/packages/...

c) Frappe:

https://frappe.io/erpnext

https://frappe.io/framework

d) Odoo https://www.odoo.com

e) Sandstorm https://sandstorm.org , although WeKan is old version, I try to update it sometime

f) WeKan with webhooks https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44165008 with RocketChat Community Edition https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/RocketChat with Jypyter: https://jupyter.org

crabmusket2• 1 year ago

One day when I have free time I really want to build an "everything app" suite on top of Sandstorm. Kind of like your supermarket's "home brand" meant to be no-frills, functional and cheap.

The way Sandstorm takes auth and hosting off your hands feels like it would make this more tractable. Business model remains an issue though, as it does for much open source work (and of course, all businesses! it's rough out there).

Having played around with Sandstorm, it's just so freeing to create one sqlite file per document (or board, or whatever) and just not worry about what happens if 10,000 users turn up. Wekan, which does run admirably well on Sandstorm, pulls an entire Mongodb instance into each grain. That makes sense if you want to host an entire SaaS on one database. But not in the Sandstorm world.

bezbac• 1 year ago

https://anytype.io is not open source, but source available, and even calls itself the "Everything App".

sakesun• 1 year ago

Huly.io describe themselves exactly as "Everything App"

subpixel• 1 year ago

Trello pricing just got a lot more reasonable, but there is one feature that might get me thinking of moving: conditional logic in automations.

Be advised that Trello is now $5/mo. It's gonna be hard to compete here.

croes6• 1 year ago

You can’t trust US companies anymore, they easily can become a weapon in a trade war.

jjtheblunt• 1 year ago

What's an example of a US company being weaponized in a trade war?

robinhood• 1 year ago

Beware of European companies too if there is a WWIII. Beware of Asian companies because China is not far away.

What a weird comment.

kjs32• 1 year ago

Indeed...we are the only country that uses trade to influence others. You got us.

antithesizer• 1 year ago

You can't trust companies. Indeed, you never could.

lmm2• 1 year ago

WTF? Atlassian is famously Australian (although they have a terrible security law that should make people nervous).

xet721• 1 year ago

WeKan https://wekan.github.io has IFTTT Rules like Trello Butler:

https://github.com/wekan/wekan/wiki/IFTTT

And webhooks:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44165008

WeKan has these, that Trello does not have: Swimlanes, all code Open Source, On-Premise hosting, etc

artur_makly2• 1 year ago

This may sound sarcastic..but have you considered retrofitting it with LLMs? The #1 problem with Kanbans is CARD-ROT. AI should fix that in a plethora of ways. Shouldn't be too hard to vibe-code that into existing on a mate-fueled weekend !/s

xet721• 1 year ago

For AI with kanban, there is JustDo, but it's source available. It is not Open Source.

https://forums.meteor.com/t/announcing-justdo-a-source-avail...

henryball19• 1 year ago

I would only consider adding LLMs if they could solve a real problem for users in a unique way that couldn't be easily achieved by automation rules. I'm definitely not against it, but I would have to see a real use case first. MCP support for the API would be a good starting point!

artur_makly2• 1 year ago

how can an automation rule help me as a product owner figure out:

- which cards have a global common UX theme or proven Business Value? - which epic cards needs more spec detail and broken down to child-cards? - which cards have higher-risk of failure

the list goes on..

capitanazo77• 1 year ago

Spanish language would be the only missing piece for my org, great job!

henryball19• 1 year ago

Thank you! Added multi language support to the roadmap

xet721• 1 year ago

WeKan https://wekan.github.io is translated to many languages here:

https://app.transifex.com/wekan/wekan

Spanish is currently 100% translated.

satellite2• 1 year ago

I'll take anything that allows more than one assignee per task. Is that the case?

xet721• 1 year ago

WeKan https://wekan.github.io can have many assignees and many members at tasks

henryball19• 1 year ago

You can indeed! There's also plans to allow custom restrictions on resources if wanted to limit cards to one assignee

jacktheturtle• 1 year ago

Hey this is awesome. It's exciting to see people launch side projects like this. The UI/UX looks very nice. Thanks for building and sharing.

henryball19• 1 year ago

This is really great to hear, thank you for the feedback :)

remram• 1 year ago

Kanban reimagined

"reimagined" is a weird tagline given that your list of features is the same as Trello's (and Taiga's, etc). Don't get me wrong, I love opensource alternatives, but you did not "reimagine" to make the same thing.

randomuxx• 1 year ago

what's that '.bn' extension? Banana Republic?

Cool app though

henryball19• 1 year ago

Brunei! I prefer Banana Republic though...

ramoz• 1 year ago

Thank you to those who referenced kanboard in this thread. I got it running and it is sweet:

$ docker pull kanboard/kanboard:latest

$ docker run -d --name kanboard -p 8080:80 -e PLUGIN_INSTALLER=true kanboard/kanboard:latest

(admin/admin)

yolkedgeek2• 1 year ago

Why are people still building new projects with react and next.js? This is why we have 1000 trello alternatives.

popcorncowboy• 1 year ago

I'm legitimately asking what people "should" be building new projects in?

column• 1 year ago

Feedback : when creating a workspace, a board, or a list, pressing "Enter" is not the same as clicking the "Create" button which is the only button visible. Pressing "Enter" does not create the list.

For a new user like me, the difference between a workspace, a board, and a list is not obvious. A one image explanation would be welcomed.

aarreedd• 1 year ago

It would be interesting to build an app like this designed specifically to run on Cloudflare workers.

- Essentially free for moderate use

- Use CF Access for simple access control

- Easier self-hosting because it is designed for a specific target environment

- No servers to worry about

- Could build AI integrations easily

voldrix• 1 year ago

I also made a minimalist Trello clone, but it is single-user (no authentication). Runs on just the basic LAMP stack. https://tellor.cc/

ralusek• 1 year ago

Does anybody else have an issue with the like $8/user/month price point that products like this have coalesced around? I feel like a service like this should be like $1-5/user/year, at most.

banner520• 1 year ago

Congrats, strong start.

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