WeatherStar 4000+: Weather Channel Simulator

https://weatherstar.netbymatt.com/

by adam_gyroscope • 1 year ago

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jader2013• 1 year ago

It will only be the true 90s Weather Channel when I hear some Rippingtons playing in the background.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndaMC-Ug4Jg

2OEH8eoCRo0• 1 year ago

I remember instrumental covers of Pink Floyd.

huslage• 1 year ago

I bought all of the Rippingtons albums because I heard them on the Weather Channel...I was inexplicably into smooth jazz at the time.

polygot• 1 year ago

Not sure how they're going to go around that corner with that vehicle

gosub1002• 1 year ago

If you like the music more than the data, search YouTube for "weather channel vaporwave". I find it relaxing

ndiddy• 1 year ago

If you're interested in this, someone on YouTube got a WeatherStar 4000 (device that sat at cable headends and generated the local weather report graphics) and wrote all new firmware to make 90's style weather reports on the real hardware. This was necessary because the original firmware was downloaded over satellite so it's now lost. It looks basically identical to the real Weather Channel from the 90s, except it doesn't have their logo in the corner (I guess for trademark reasons). Here's a stream of his WeatherStar: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66mSjXpfD2c

jjk7• 1 year ago

If you read his devlog, he started this project not knowing assembly or C... teaching himself as he went. Incredible.

jimmydddd2• 1 year ago

Importantly, it also plays Weather Channel-esque background music.

jazzyjackson2• 1 year ago

Thanks for mentioning that, had me digging around for where I can find the music. The youtube link lead me to the project's hackaday log, which is extremely detailed but lacks any mention of music [0]

The submission link's github page [1] links to a website listing all the tracks that ever played [2], explaining they dropped the music from the project so as not to deal with copyright claims. too bad fair use isn't clear enough to apply here, I think its a relatively transformative use and doesn't compete with the original.

[0] https://hackaday.io/project/178144-reverse-engineering-the-w...

[1] https://github.com/netbymatt/ws4kp

[2] https://twcclassics.com/audio/artists.html

insaneirish• 1 year ago

Importantly, it also plays Weather Channel-esque background music.

Which has its own sort of funny subculture. One is Phish fans unexpectedly hearing what was decidedly not publicly common music being aired on the Weather Channel: https://jambands.com/features/2002/07/24/guyute-and-your-loc...

Fast forward 20ish years and a similar thing happened with Fox Sports interludes: https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/12/17/fox-producer-who-got-the-n...

CursedSilicon4• 1 year ago

If it's the same one that brings the equipment to Retro Computing events. He sadly has declined to publish any kind of archive of the software for other hobbyists :(

I understand that he's under no obligation to do so. But a lot of us worry that if the hard disks die or if he loses interest in the hobby, that software will be irrevocably lost for all of us

Maxious• 1 year ago

The youtube stream has a link in the description for EEPROM dumps https://hackaday.io/project/178144-reverse-engineering-the-w...

KurSix5• 1 year ago

Kind of wild how much of that era's tech was ephemeral

mgr862• 1 year ago

Interesting project thanks for sharing.

I've casually tried to track down a voice in weather from that time with no luck, but this project scratches the itch somewhat. When I was younger (late 90s-early 00's) I spent a fair amount of my summers fishing with my father and brother on Lake Ontario. We would occasionally turn on the radio and catch a weather report from the coast guard/noaa. There was something about that then out-dated computer generated voice delivering the weather succinctly and to the point.

It was actually a project I used to evaluate coding done by an LLM. It was mediocre and took way too many iterations. But I now have a keyboard shortcut that will fetch KML/XML from noaa, parse out my important details, and read it back to me. The voice isn't quite right. But the morning I spent working on that was a good distraction at the time.

xattt• 1 year ago

A comment on this YouTube video [1] says that DECtalk Perfect Paul was used for NOAA Weather Radio in the 1990s.

[1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JGpf6B8EvVY

jb1991• 1 year ago

When I visit this site, it just keeps automatically refreshing the homepage over and over every second.

dbg31415• 1 year ago

Love it!

Music is a bit too fast, I miss the sleepy jazz feel from the 90s. (=

jasonpeacock2• 1 year ago

Nice!

It'd be helpful to have the options stored in the URL, especially the kiosk mode, so it can be bookmarked.

And allow <esc> to exit kiosk mode.

trvr• 1 year ago

It seems if you left click "Copy Permalink" that the site will generate a massive URL with all of your options. One of them is "settings-kiosk-checkbox". Change it to "true" in your copied URL and that should work.

jasonpeacock2• 1 year ago

Thanks! I didn't even notice the obvious share link below the options :p

crims0n• 1 year ago

Very neat! I put it in kiosk mode and could almost hear the hum of a CRT.

dylan6044• 1 year ago

hum? you mean a very high pitched squeal?

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7• 1 year ago

Looks like this was the original version? https://github.com/vbguyny/ws4kp

xp843• 1 year ago

Indeed, though significant work has been done on this one, detailed in the readme. On the other hand, the one you’ve linked has since the fork added a “custom RSS feed in the scroller” feature.

Chihuahua0633• 1 year ago

Man, I want to be able to have this as an actual stream on my TV!

joezydeco• 1 year ago

Follow what this person did: https://blog.scottlabs.io/2024/02/weather-like-its-1999/

lordfrito• 1 year ago

Great stuff! Reminds me of when the web used to be fun...

lobsterthief• 1 year ago

Same here. I’ve been doing web design and development for 24 years now so I’ve witnessed the full pivot towards homogenization of interfaces; it’s necessary for commerce and usability at this point. But once in a while I’ll throw together a microsite like this to return to my roots a bit. This is my latest (a basic Trump presidency countdown clock): https://timeleft.now/

Vitamin_Sushi• 1 year ago

Love the WS4000. I've been meaning to make a WS4000 like application I can throw on my firestick and just have it play all day on my TV as a side project. As someone without any GUI or graphics programming knowledge, it's definitely been a nice learning experience.

dustinsterk2• 1 year ago

Please share if you go down this road!

absurdo• 1 year ago

I miss this late 80s early 90s jazz fusion.

phkahler• 1 year ago

Oh, man I thought I was going to see an AI generated Heather Tesch.

laweijfmvo• 1 year ago

I yearn for Local on the 8's

parpfish• 1 year ago

half expecting this to veer into some analog horror

throwanem2• 1 year ago

The horror lies in seeing 2025 with eyes from 1990.

post_break4• 1 year ago

I run one of these on my desk 24x7 with a raspberry pi and a 3D printed monitor that simulates a CRT. I tried with a real CRT TV but the frequency and having it at the side of my main monitor started to make me sick.

https://imgur.com/a/wD2EINO

https://github.com/vbguyny/ws4kp

agscala• 1 year ago

Nice! Which screen is that? All of the screens I've found are widescreen and I'd like to do a similar project

post_break4• 1 year ago

https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:5564208

shortstuffsushi• 1 year ago

It seems like this could make a good addition for the folks working on EmuVR @ https://www.emuvr.net/

wiether• 1 year ago

I love the contrast between using a book to raise your main screen... and having a whole computer dedicated to showing weather 24/7!

post_break4• 1 year ago

You missed the irony of the monitor sitting on a NUC that is probably 1000x more powerful than the Pi running the weather lol.

exikyut2• 1 year ago

What do you mean by "sick"? Headaches from coil/flyback transformer whine? Perceptible flicker due to the CRT being in the corner of your peripheral vision?

I'm a bit susceptible to noises myself.

post_break4• 1 year ago

The flicker in the corner of my eye. It started to make me sick to my stomach somehow. It's a weird feeling.

halyconWays• 1 year ago

I love this

noduerme• 1 year ago

This page on an Android phone displays briefly and then crashes the tab in Chrome, and crashes the entire app in Firefox. Neat trick.

throwanem2• 1 year ago

No trouble here. Galaxy S10+, Firefox whatever's current.

xp843• 1 year ago

It crashes Chrome every time on my Samsung Galaxy Tab A7, a cheap tablet from circa 2020.

untrust• 1 year ago

Same on Safari iOS

duxup• 1 year ago

Very cool.

Music is a bit too high fidelity ;)

languagehacker• 1 year ago

Thank you for the vaporwave vibes!

barbazoo• 1 year ago

Wow, that's horrible, I love it!

doawoo• 1 year ago

I have a version (probably not exactly the same software for the head unit) of this on an SGI O2 sitting around including all the environment scripts and the HTML manuals. I have a tar.gz of it that I should upload to an archive location.

CursedSilicon4• 1 year ago

Please do! The software has been undumped and is highly desired by retro enthusiasts (including myself)

kylehotchkiss• 1 year ago

Where’s the sponsored content?

socalgal2• 1 year ago

Not knowing what WeatherStar 4000+ was, I was expecting "Weather Channel Simulator" to use AI to generate live video of a weather reporter describing the weather.

Can't be too far off.

samtp• 1 year ago

This is a lot more interesting and impressive than AI generated goop

pncnmnp• 1 year ago

I was thinking the same thing! I've been working with some TTS applications, such as real-time commentary for Pong and personalized radio stations. I might give this a try, it sounds fun.

KurSix5• 1 year ago

Honestly, give it a year or two and someone will have a fine-tuned LLM generating endless 90s-style weather banter with a deepfaked Jim Cantore pointing at AI-generated radar maps.

beowulfey• 1 year ago

Yeah! There's nothing quite like watching fake people on fake weather broadcasts presenting weather just for me. One day we'll wonder why we ever used humans for anything.

volleygman180• 1 year ago

I was impressed as soon as it loaded and immediately said, "Yea but what about the music?". Then I noticed the sound toggle button.

Absolute perfection!

sharksauce• 1 year ago

Anyone see an easy way to add the sound-on setting to the URL options generated by "Copy Permalink"?

9Ljdg6p8ZSzejt• 1 year ago

Yes! Add &mediaPlaying=true to the url. You might also need to allow audio autoplaying for the website first in the non-kiosk version or launch the browser allowing it.

gasgiant• 1 year ago

I listen to a lot of Pat Metheny Group, which my wife refers to as "Weather Channel Music". I used to argue that Pat was waaay better than the stuff on the Weather Channel, until one day we had it on in a hotel room and "Last Train Home" came on, and I had to shut the heck up.

alexjplant2• 1 year ago

Given how much fusion they played on "Local on the 8s" I wonder if they ever spun some Weather Report...

xorbax• 1 year ago

Wasn't there also a text-to-speech voiceover of the local forecast text?

I would have sworn they would replace the music with a guy "reading" the forecast.

dcrazy2• 1 year ago

There was a time when it was only prerecorded “The forecast for your area”

xd1936• 1 year ago

"Your Local 'On the 8s'"

dylan6044• 1 year ago

In large markets, some of the local broadcast stations have a dedicated digital channel that plays a local version of this. In my market, they have the digital voice reading the forecast.

dcrazy2• 1 year ago

This reminds me of when I first listened to my dad’s Spyro Gyra CD.

colpabar• 1 year ago

Music is so funny. I just listened to this on youtube and _immediately_ started crying because it reminded me of my late father who used to watch the weather channel all the time. Seeing this thread and all the weather channel talk makes me think of him, but man, hearing the music just wrecks me.

jader2013• 1 year ago

Yeah, there's something about hearing -- especially music -- and smell that can somehow really induce major nostalgia, where sight just doesn't have the same effect.

Sight still definitely can induce nostalgia, but not near to the extent as hearing and smell.

Particularly music, where it already has the power to induce emotions already.

mortenjorck• 1 year ago

"Last Train Home" is a banger, in any case.

ecocentrik• 1 year ago

"Last Train Home" was used in a popular supermarket chain (Publix) commercial in the 1990s. I'm pretty sure it was one of Pat's most commercially successful songs. The album, "Still Life", is great.

paradox460• 1 year ago

Enterprising TV producers used Pat Metheny a fair bit. The Search was used as a theme for a TV show (The Search for Solutions), and at least a half dozen KNME made TV shows in the 90s used bits of American Garage and First Circle

HeckFeck• 1 year ago

"Last Train Home" was also used as outro music for the anime JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, S3, Stardust Crusaders.

hospadam• 1 year ago

Is there anyone who could point me to an easy-ish way to get this running on a PI + Screen? I have a special-needs son who would LOVE to have this running. I'll take any advice! Thank you!

macintux• 1 year ago

Looks like this comment might help: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44128109

ivraatiems2• 1 year ago

I love this. Why is the music so good? How do I get more music like this?

vanadium2• 1 year ago

So many people loved it, The Weather Channel actually put out CDs. One such example: https://www.ebay.com/itm/127083056970

alexjplant2• 1 year ago

There's an archival effort here [1]. It seems to have primarily been instrumental jazz fusion and adjacent artists like The Flecktones, The Rippingtons, Pat Metheny, Spyro Gyra, Phish, etc.

I'm personally a bit more into the guitar shred-oriented type of fusion as practiced by Frank Gambale, Alan Holdsworth (RIP), Shawn Lane (RIP #2), Guthrie Govan, and Scott Henderson. The insane guitar acrobatics more than make up for any dated ROMpler synthesizers or cheesy drum samples :-).

[1] https://twcclassics.com/audio/

vanadium2• 1 year ago

This is impressive.

ivraatiems2• 1 year ago

Thank you, I love this!

theturtle• 1 year ago

Far out! From the old days before they had shitty non-weather shows all the time and before they started "naming" winter storms.

And before they started saying "impactful" nine times a minute.

And before they hired that fuckface Justin Michaels.

Before that 1970s "comedian" bought the channel and fucked it up.

harwoodr2• 1 year ago

I take it this only works for USA locations?

raverbashing• 1 year ago

Looks like it. Which is definitely a shame but I can understand they might not have all the APIs for all the locations

harwoodr2• 1 year ago

International version: https://github.com/mwood77/ws4kp-international https://mwood77.github.io/ws4kp-international/

jimmydddd2• 1 year ago

Great job!

gdubs• 1 year ago

Well, this wins the internet for today — pack it up everybody.

Seriously though beyond just being awesome, this site is such a good experience on mobile. Really well crafted nostalgia vibes.

fitsumbelay• 1 year ago

nothing but love for this. excellent stuff

burnte2• 1 year ago

This is fantastic.

can16358p• 1 year ago

It literally couldn't find my city nor the most popular city of my country.

chorfusmcnally• 1 year ago

The version linked is just using NOAA info, here's the international version: https://mwood77.github.io/ws4kp-international/

eth_hack77• 1 year ago

This sounds interesting but here's what I experience: I put London and pressed continue - nothing happened. I gave the location permission and pressed continue - nothing happened again.

Console printed these logs: Uncaught (in promise) TypeError: Cannot read properties of undefined (reading 'relativeLocation') at ws.min.js?_=5.21.3:1:133923 at ws.min.js?_=5.21.3:1:89730

gosub1002• 1 year ago

Someone posted the international version elsewhere in this page.

zomg• 1 year ago

International version: https://github.com/mwood77/ws4kp-international https://mwood77.github.io/ws4kp-international/

b8• 1 year ago

I wish the watermark was smaller, because it blocks so much info.

disposition2• 1 year ago

Is there anyone who could point me to a way to get this running and served up via a stream that is consumable via VLC?

I have an hdhomreun and watch my antenna via IPTV apps and would love to have a personal “weather channel” on my TV.

I’ve looked in to this in the past, using a node program to take screenshots of the page and try to splice things together with ffmpeg but it was quite awful and didn't work well.

I also wasn’t sure how to have this all ‘spin up’ when the stream is accessed, vs running all the time…but I suppose that is less important.

I'll take any advice! Thank you!

jpdb• 1 year ago

You should be able to get this done with OBS.

Set OBS up so your streaming a window of this application.

Go into OBS settings and go to "Stream" and set it to custom.

For server use "srt://127.0.0.1:7777?mode=listener&timeout=50000&transtype=live"

Then in VLC, open a network stream for srt://127.0.0.1:7777.

numpad0• 1 year ago

  Xvfb :1 -screen 0 640x480x16 &
  export DISPLAY=:1.0
  firefox -kiosk [URL] &
  gst-launch-1.0 ! (ask llm tbf) ! udpsrc

burnt-resistor2• 1 year ago

Yep. That's pretty much what it used to look like on cable and satellite TV in the late 90's/early 00's. Just missing the scan lines. Pretty awesome that you can skip sections. It needs terrible elevator music (mellow jazz) and occasional announcers to voice over and unenthusiastically explain what's already obvious in front of a green screen.

duskwuff• 1 year ago

It needs terrible elevator music (mellow jazz)

Did you click the unmute button? :)

burnt-resistor2• 1 year ago

Didn't see it. It's not obvious. There are too many controls.

xp843• 1 year ago

look again, there is a scanlines option!

I didn’t notice it there this afternoon, so he may have added it for you :D

nipperkinfeet• 1 year ago

Thats cool. Can it autoplay when sharing from permalink? It always wants me to click to play.

deweywsu• 1 year ago

I got curious as to what ever happened to Jeanetta Jones. Found this (tear):

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/231278045/jeanetta-danie...

bdbenton5255• 1 year ago

Love it, made me smile. The "warmth" of all this old tech is nostalgic, all the little human touches lost to history. The little bits of heart and soul that shaped the details of our lives, some nameless engineer on some forgotten afternoon implementing the little blue waves in the rain clouds. Something strangely bittersweet about it.

KurSix5• 1 year ago

There's something really touching about how even the most utilitarian things (like a weather report) had this quiet artistry to them.

jxf• 1 year ago

This has unlocked a deep part of my brain that I didn't know I had memories about. Bravo, OP.

DigiEggz• 1 year ago

Thank you for sharing this and to everyone else in this thread posting other resources. I've followed W* projects for a long time and I always am invigorated when they pop up anywhere, in any form. I hope the experience is remembered for as long as possible!

ramumb• 1 year ago

This is amazing! It takes me down memory lane.

jakebasile• 1 year ago

I can't believe how nostalgic this made me for the Weather Channel.

Thanks for showing me this. Made me smile.

catgirlinspace• 1 year ago

Completely forgot about Local on the 8s! I remember when I was much younger (probably around 12 or 13) I was obsessed for a while with how it worked on DirecTV- there was a national feed that was being played as normal, but when that started there was also some signal sent that (if you were lucky enough for it to actually work) would cause the receiver to generate a few static images for the saved zip code that were styled to look like Local on the 8s, and those would just be shown on top of the national feed. Best video I could find of it was https://youtu.be/WX2KQHJ8vHA (usually it was not synced that well to start and finish with the actual national feed, from what I saw it was pretty often you'd see the first few seconds or last few seconds of the national feed).

KurSix5• 1 year ago

How much effort went into creating the illusion of locality with national infrastructure

bamboozled• 1 year ago

*Only works for Americans

crmd• 1 year ago

This is so fucking cool. I expected it to be an SGI Indy or Octane running weather channel software outputting via its SDI card, which in itself is cool, but it turns out to be a much more interesting hardware and software architecture!

jader2013• 1 year ago

The only thing missing is the voiceover.

“A look at your local radar.”

“Currently the temperature is 81 degrees under clear skies.”

I feel like that’s the natural next step, and we’re probably not too far away from being able to do that.

joeevans1000• 1 year ago

I came for the weather, stayed for the music.

KurSix5• 1 year ago

Wow, instant nostalgia hit

hacker_homie• 1 year ago

Not to be confused with WeatherHammer 40000

dustinsterk2• 1 year ago

This is incredible, thanks for sharing!

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