Brainfuck Enterprise Solutions

Wow, would love to adopt this on our infra! Just one teensy problem - legal's a bit worried about the name. Would you consider renaming BF? Maybe Brainfriend?

master_crab• 2 years ago

Maybe BE. Brain Excellence.

Also, do you have a PowerPoint explaining how to setup a Center of Excellence?

cornholio• 2 years ago

The corporate flavor should obviously be named Braindead

righthand2• 2 years ago

Let’s hope not.

rguiscard• 2 years ago

Maybe brainfried?

Pannoniae• 2 years ago

How about bellyfuck? or brainfart?

sohzm• 2 years ago

buttfuck removes b*ain and replaces it with a better word

karlzt2• 2 years ago

Imagine changing Python's name, that doesn't make sense, and as you said, it's a very small problem that should be ignored.

itsdev• 2 years ago

Sure. Let's call it pyfuck. I'm sure that won't raise any eyebrows.

Brainfuck is a fine name due to the nature of the language.

Duwensatzaj• 2 years ago

May I suggest Squick instead?

pcblues• 2 years ago

Now that is alt.tasteless old-school :)

SOLAR_FIELDS• 2 years ago

Of course this post is written in jest but fck-nat is useful enough that adult organizations adopt it despite the name, as an actual example of “profane but useful software that jumps over the wall of corporate use”. It helps that the specific use case it’s built for is something you usually only run into when you have corporate level spend on AWS

tpoacher• 2 years ago

There is a language called brainfudge which is effectively an alias of brainfuck for this exact reason

you'll find lots of "brainfudge" interpreters on github

InDubioProRubio2• 2 years ago

Far be it from programmargamers to name things, just to annoy legal and other cruft layers. Now onwards to the new Bloat meeting (its the new scrum), where we produce spam-tickets and increase productivity by sacrificing hours to nil-meetings.

debugnik• 2 years ago

The usual censor for it is b****fuck, that should do it.

wiz21c6• 2 years ago

Not more bad than C++ :-)

semitones• 2 years ago

This made me laugh _really_ loudly, thank you

macqm• 2 years ago

What about: b7k

Exoristos• 2 years ago

Brain-fsck.

avodonosov4• 2 years ago

I like the name choice of the CPU from this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41622325

wiz21c6• 2 years ago

bullfit ?

paulmooreparks• 2 years ago

You could use my (rather silly) extension called "pbrain," which adds procedures to brainfuck.

https://parkscomputing.com/page/pbrain

In hindsight, I think it's aptly named.

(EDIT: Gosh, I really need to update the .NET compiler to .NET 8.)

rep_lodsb2• 2 years ago

That's an interesting addition to the language, since the numeric "labels" are effectively pointers that can be changed anywhere in the program! Though from reading the interpreter code, it seems like it doesn't handle "nested" procedures that can (re)define other procedures or themselves, which could make this a lot more powerful.

Never done enough BF programming to come up with a good example, but I'm thinking about something like this:

    ( (<-)<+ )

On the first call it increments it argument, then decrements on subsequent calls. There could also be a loop that switches a procedure between one of several definitions, which could be used to implement a state machine.

giancarlostoro• 2 years ago

Reminds me of how theres a Buttplug project that has what is considered the fastest bluetooth open source library. Problem is people cannot use it because importing “Buttplug IO” or whatever raises some eyebrows. Theres even been attempts at using it in DoD projects.

UnpossibleJim• 2 years ago

We are committed to keeping the Brainfuck community healthy -- best sentence ever

samsk• 2 years ago

BF is slightly hard to read, more like a well written Perl.

IMHO any solid enteprise should use Ook! or similar substitution - power of Perl, with verbosity of COBOL !

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ook!

shawn_w• 2 years ago

You can embed BF directly in your perl code!

https://metacpan.org/pod/Acme::Brainfuck

There's an Ook! interpreter too but it's more limited.

https://metacpan.org/pod/Language::Ook

wiz21c6• 2 years ago

Seriously, why ? :-)

wiz21c6• 2 years ago

If only they'd used the f-word instead of Ook...

ArnoVW• 2 years ago

I believe it’s a reference to a Discworld personage

The Librarian is known for his violent reaction whenever he hears anyone refer to him as a "monkey" (orang-utans are apes). He speaks an elaborate language whose vocabulary consists of the single word Ook (and its antonym "eek" - where "ook" means yes, "eek" tends to mean no)

https://discworld.fandom.com/wiki/The_Librarian

declan_roberts• 2 years ago

Like a joke that's just gone on a little too long.

arethuza2• 2 years ago

The "enterprise solutions" part?

trentnix• 2 years ago

After visiting the link I was surprised to find out this wasn’t about SharePoint.

cbeach• 2 years ago

Irritating when people try to draw our attention to otherwise banal things by exploiting the shock value of swearing.

People that swear liberally in everyday conversation irritate me intensely.

beingforthebene• 2 years ago

Brainfuck isn't exploiting the shock value of swearing--it's accurately describing the experience of using it.

righthand2• 2 years ago

Well shit, seems like there’s no talking to you about Brainfuck then.

metabagel• 2 years ago

Brainfuck is an example of a so-called Turing tarpit: it can be used to write any program, but it is not practical to do so, because it provides so little abstraction that the programs get very long or complicated. While Brainfuck is fully Turing complete, it is not intended for practical use, but to challenge and amuse programmers.[3][4] Brainfuck requires one to break commands into microscopic steps.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck

quickslowdown• 2 years ago

Conversely, people who get all pearl clutchy about their poor, sensitive wittle ears when I swear irritate the shit out of me. We're not in elementary school, adults say fuck and that's ok.

commodoreboxer• 2 years ago

People who get uptight about swearing irritate me. I understand getting upset about racial slurs or other actually loaded language, but getting upset about the word "fuck" but not "sex" is just making up things to be upset about.

UberFly• 2 years ago

Some people just don't like the overall crudening of society. Get over it.

porksoda• 2 years ago

Yes. That's true in most cases but let them youn uns have some fun will ya!

shakna• 2 years ago

The High Court of Australia ruled that swearing isn't by itself offensive. So I s'pose you're shit out of luck if you cross our border.

prmoustache2• 2 years ago

You have to keep in mind that brainfuck has been invented by a Swiss student. There are 2 clues. Student is obvious. Being Swiss might not be but is one.

People not living in an english speaking country have a different appreciation of swearing in english as they are exposed to it differently: appart from our english classes at school we learn and hear english mostly in songs, movies, TV shows, even modern literature. We are pretty much inundates by the f-word which makes it more an innocent word than in britain and us english.

A few days ago I was doing some cleaning in the house. Usually I rather put music but this time I chose a tv shows instead. Bad idea, it makes you much slower. Bottom line is I chose action-drama Banshee randomly. It seems they literally say fuck or motherfucking every 30 seconds!

So my advice would be: before complaining of people living abroad and using the f-word, maybe you guys should clean your house and stop putting the f-word in every fucking piece of media you sell all over the motherfucking world.

Also swearing can be cultural. For example wear I live in Spain swearing is part of the normal language. Grandparents all say words like coño and de puta madre all day long and nobody seems to blink when their 4 year old kids do the same.

prmoustache2• 2 years ago

I realized after reading my reply I made a lot of ortho and grammar errors, sorry for that, can't edit it now.

pezezin• 2 years ago

Also swearing can be cultural. For example wear I live in Spain swearing is part of the normal language. Grandparents all say words like coño and de puta madre all day long and nobody seems to blink when their 4 year old kids do the same.

I am Spanish, can confirm. Also, the bleeping that you hear in American TV shows and the whole concept of F-bombs (or similar) sounds ridiculous and extremely prudish to us.

gosub100• 2 years ago

You, yourself were in fact the byproduct of one.

Jerrrrrrry3• 2 years ago

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IncreasePosts• 2 years ago

Who in their right mind would choose brainfuck for enterprise solutions, over befunge?

thenewwazoo• 2 years ago

You can't discount the need to keep your hiring pipeline full to replace the people whose RSUs have cliffed.

Befunge, like Rust, is impossible to hire for, so nobody uses it, which means nobody has experience, which means it's impossible to hire for, so it's a bad idea to use it. BrainFuck has been around for decades and its problems can be avoided by just hiring sufficiently-talented developers.

jmspring• 2 years ago

Funny thing about Rust. I use it for a few small projects. I have advocated for it on a current work project in part because it makes sense for a few reasons. I had planned on it, an advisor (small startup) recommended it, so myself as a mid experience and two people more junior in their career, are writing Rust.

As I said, I have used Rust for multiple unrelated to this task thing. Had various versions of our planned project working. Then I revisited it and made it more Rust-like. It literally looks like I've done nothing since I through a lot of things out.

It's fun to learn.

mFixman• 2 years ago

Being the only true 2-dimensional language, Befunge only needs the square root of the lines of code to build an equivalent program to puny 1-dimensional programs like Brainfuck or C++.

Stop trying to hire 10X engineers. Befunge applications are built by true X² engineers.

mbonnet• 2 years ago

On the contrary, I have found that Rust postings receive fewer but much higher quality candidates.

LorenDB• 2 years ago

Honestly, the smart enterprises are using Malbolge.

ur-whale2• 2 years ago

True.

Befunge has real lofty ideals, not just a miser goal of being hard to parse by humans:

Befunge, with the goal of being as difficult to compile as possible

Duanemclemore2• 2 years ago

This is excellent for my needs! My company needs to migrate from INTERCAL and now I am convinced that Brainfuck is perfect for the job!

basementcat• 2 years ago

You mean your company needs to COME FROM Intercal?

Duanemclemore2• 2 years ago

PLEASE DO

Jeema101• 2 years ago

The 'computed COME FROM' is even more interesting than the regular one due to it's ability to violate causality by coming from a place in the code before it was ever computed.

That of course makes migrating from Intercal difficult for a lot of organizations.

int_19h2• 2 years ago

I've had much success integrating Brainfuck in a legacy C++ codebase. As the team adopts modern idiomatic C++ patterns and practices, we found Brainfuck via https://github.com/tfc/cpp_template_meta_brainfuck_interpret... to be a natural and seamless fit for C++ template metaprogramming.

nxobject• 2 years ago

Buyer beware – as a a legacy mainframe user of INTERCAL (IBM VM/370), steer cleer of mainframe migration services that promise migration from INTERCAL to BF on commodity cloud on a fixed time scale – they use AI tools but don't do robust testing. Much better to stay on IBM but write new modules in enterprise z/INTERCAL, even if it's not the best developer environment.

Procrastes• 2 years ago

I'm just glad I lived to see this.

mannykannot• 2 years ago

I take your point - it does have a saving grace, after all.

emersonrsantos• 2 years ago

I miss this from the Internet early times. The Church of the SubGenius, IOCCC, Phrack Magazine, The Tao of Programming, ...

bigiain• 2 years ago

I think POC||GTFO carries on some of the spirit of those times.

wiz21c6• 2 years ago

GTFO yes !

beretguy• 2 years ago

Finally I can migrate away from Java.

coobird• 2 years ago

(Shameless plug) With Brainfuccuccino[1], you can embed your brainfuck programs right into Java, so you get the "best" of both worlds ;-)

[1] https://github.com/coobird/brainfuccuccino

speed_spread• 2 years ago

Oh shoot, it's happening for real, /r/programmingcirclejerk is leaking back to HN. The great unraveling has begun, we're all doomed!

m3kw9• 2 years ago

Something straight out of Cyberpunk2077

spacebacon• 2 years ago

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mikestew• 2 years ago

Somebody didn’t read the style guide, especially 1.1.2.

https://github.com/bf-enterprise-solutions/bf.style

benreesman• 2 years ago

Stuff like this is a breath of fresh air: real hacker vibes. The best memes (like all the best hacker stuff) are high-effort, somewhere between kinda funny and outright satire, technically nontrivial, and delivered deadpan.

Top kek.

davedx• 2 years ago

I feel like “what is idiomatic brainfuck” is a deeply philosophical question striking right to the heart of our craft…

pragma_x2• 2 years ago

Considering that BF is about as "turing-machine-like" as you can get, it does seem like an essential thing to determine. As if we were to delve any deeper we'd have to split atoms to measure our progress; it's downright primordial.

wormius• 2 years ago

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_(negative)

ilaksh• 2 years ago

Funny. But also their BF OS reminds me slightly of Forth or ColorForth. https://github.com/ers35/colorforth

djaouen• 2 years ago

That's the stupidest shit I ever heard lol

rebavi67• 2 years ago

What are you talking about?

jfktrey• 2 years ago

Love this. Years ago I hand-wired a CPU that natively executes Brainfuck code: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q8G2fWprwyo

Might have to test some of these :)

avodonosov4• 2 years ago

Good name for the CPU

Frenchgeek• 2 years ago

Port a mips emulator for it so you can run Linux on it?

rep_lodsb2• 2 years ago

Or a 4004 emulator? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41600756

notfed• 2 years ago

Underrated, make this into a submission?

bryancoxwell• 2 years ago

Well that is incredible

Jerrrrrrry3• 2 years ago

This is awesome and I binged your videos immediately.

Please create more content.

anta40• 2 years ago

https://github.com/bf-enterprise-solutions/os.bf/blob/master...

An entire OS in 252 lines. I wonder how many CPU architectures supported by this OS

einpoklum• 2 years ago

The secret sauce is:

**************
PASTE YOUR EXTENSIONS HERE:
**************

avodonosov4• 2 years ago

Thanks to the "write once run anywhere" philosophy of the language, and the design choices in the OS (e.g. containerization), it is easely porable to any CPU.

Safe bet for enterprise users.

aclindsa• 2 years ago

I admit I was slightly disappointed that it looked more like a primitive shell than the advertised OS. "Baby steps" though!

fermigier• 2 years ago

Never been much into BF nor esoteric languages in general, but I love this attitude!

Regarding the comments at the top of https://github.com/bf-enterprise-solutions/ed.bf : I believe a modern-day developer comparable to Ken Thompson might be Fabrice Bellard, WDYT? Any other names that pop to mind?

lifthrasiir3• 2 years ago

One of obvious hindsights here is to use the extension `.bf` instead of `.b`, which was previously suggested by daniel b cristofani, a prolific Brainfuck programmer [1]. `.bf` is also used for Befunge and `.b` removes any such confusion.

[1] https://brainfuck.org/brainfuck.html

Ygg2• 2 years ago

Won't that be confused with B[1]?

[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B_(programming_language)

lifthrasiir3• 2 years ago

Sure, but the number of B code currently in circulation should be miniscule enough to reuse that extension. (And the confusion between Brainfuck and Befunge will be much higher anyway.)

int_19h2• 2 years ago

The Brainfuck extension should obviously be .fmb, for "fuck my brain".

seanhunter• 2 years ago

For it to be a real enterprise solution we need a bf container orchestration layer.

whiplash451• 2 years ago

Of course not, those companies are using SageMaker anyways. Come on!

immmmmm• 2 years ago

BFBS: BF Blockchain Solutions BFF: BF for Finance

ur-whale2• 2 years ago

Their stack doesn't seem to include an LLVM BrainFuck backend.

This shortcoming is clearly a non-starter for any serious enterprise BF implementation.

pplonski86• 2 years ago

Do you plan to support LLM in BF Machine Learning platform? LLM with BF output?

ppmx20• 2 years ago

It's a new and powerful competition for FP :)

1oooqooq2• 2 years ago

where can i find an example of factoryFactory* pattern on the repos?

arethuza2• 2 years ago

"So this week, we're introducing a general-purpose tool-building factory factory factory, so that all of your different tool factory factories can be produced by a single, unified factory. The factory factory factory will produce only the tool factory factories that you actually need, and each of those factory factories will produce a single factory based on your custom tool specifications. The final set of tools that emerge from this process will be the ideal tools for your particular project. You'll have exactly* the hammer you need, and exactly the right tape measure for your task, all at the press of a button (though you may also have to deploy a few configuration files to make it all work according to your expectations)."*

1oooqooq2• 2 years ago

nice! i hope the configuration files are a bf syntax but with all the features and power of xml+xsl!

motohagiography• 2 years ago

laugh now but this will be better than graphql.

InDubioProRubio2• 2 years ago

You are laughing now- but suffering and misery indicate pervyRomance for management. And what would cause more suffering then adopting this language as new enterprise standard. The joke was on you, all along..

npongratz• 2 years ago

"We had a chance to meet this young man, and boy that's just a straight shooter with upper management written all over him.."

bob1029• 2 years ago

Brainfuck is largely a joke for most developers, but in certain kinds of research it is taken very seriously due to its ease of implementation.

I think this is probably the most interesting paper involving it:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.19108

In this paper we take a step towards understanding how self-replicators arise by studying several computational substrates based on various simple programming languages and machine instruction sets.

Vegenoid• 2 years ago

There’s a good episode of the Mindscape podcast (hosted by Sean Carroll) interviewing one of the authors (Blaise Agüera y Arcas) about the paper:

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2024/08/19/286-...

jksmith• 2 years ago

For a good levity injection attack, there is no known defense.

p4bl0• 2 years ago

Haha! This reminds me of https://inutile.club/estatis/ and especially the Falso system.

avodonosov4• 2 years ago

Is somebody not convinced yet, search with the new HN sentiment analysis tool [1]. Java or Rust have mixed sentiment. For Brainfuck the balance is clearly on the positive side.

https://classysoftware.io/chat-analysis/

brassattax• 2 years ago

Why not GPT in Brainfuck?

mnemotronic• 2 years ago

I can't wait to hear Warren Buffet answering a question about company automation at the next annual convention : "We just started using the Brainfuck software...". The silver-haired grannies in attendance will love that.

JesseTG• 2 years ago

I think I had an aneurysm.

RagnarD• 2 years ago

I'd love to see a real "enterprise" pay for anything with this name. If it wants to be taken seriously, change the name to something that can be repeated with a straight face in an office.

citizenpaul• 2 years ago

This is horrifying. Isn't BF supposed to be a joke language. Someone is spending time making libraries so it can actually be used?

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