Apple announces multibillion deal with Broadcom to make components in the USA

https://www.macrumors.com/2023/05/23/apple-announces-deal-to-make-components-in-the-usa/

by ksec • 3 years ago

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Signez• 3 years ago

Does this mean that those iPhone components will be manufactured in the US, then shipped overseas to be incorporated into new iPhones, which will then be shipped back to the US?

I understand that this makes sense, but at the same time, I wonder how many tons of CO₂ will be emitted because of this kind of "onshoring".

lallysingh• 3 years ago

Fair enough. I wonder if this is a supply-chain security thing or a step towards eventually building the phones in the US.

babypuncher• 3 years ago

Probably a mix of both. China is a growing liability, and there is increasing political pressure to both diversify and onshore manufacturing.

The growth in spending on US manufacturing over the last couple of years is kind of impressive.

lnsru3• 3 years ago

Filter is couple square millimeters of thin material. If they are still on water then it’s few big crates of filters for all year’s production.

londons_explore3• 3 years ago

Shipping of tiny electronic components around the globe doesn't have any substantial CO2 emissions, as long as they are shipped in bulk (and preferably by sea), simply because each component is so small/light.

Shipping your bags of clothes when you go on holiday has a far bigger impact. Those are shipped by air (~50x the CO2), are far larger/heavier, and in a weeks time will be shipped back, perhaps unused.

lnsru3• 3 years ago

Nobody ships high value small expensive components by sea. It’s ok for reels of generic resistors. But not good for project specific parts.

coldpie2• 3 years ago

It's a good question, and a very good thing to think about. It turns out shipping is actually surprisingly low on the list of contributors to carbon emissions. All global shipping together contributes about 1.7% of global emissions. That's in comparison to, say, industrial energy usage (24.2%) or passenger cars (11.9%) or residential buildings (10.9%) or animals raised for food (5.8%). Should carbon emissions of shipping be a factor in decisions like this? Unquestionably, yes. But at worst it's going to be a small tick in the negative column, and could actually come out ahead depending on other factors like local emissions regulations, etc.

Source: https://ourworldindata.org/uploads/2020/09/Emissions-by-sect...

M4v3R• 3 years ago

One unrelated correction - you mentioned passenger cars are responsible for 11.9% of global emissions, but your source says this figure is for the whole road transport. Passenger cars AFAIK account for the third of that.

kipchak• 3 years ago

Apparently shipping is slightly unusual as it produces a greater than average amount Sulfur Oxide due to bunker fuel's higher sulfur content though it is not considered a greenhouse gas such as in the graph. This is where headlines like "One cargo ship emits as much pollutants as 50 million cars" comes from, though the calculation is debatable.[1]

For comparison gas or diesel is something like 10-15ppm Sulfur in the US now while historically bunker fuel is historically more like 3-5%, though it has been decreasing with regulations. [2]

[1]https://www.cadmatic.com/en/resources/articles/does-one-ship...

[2]https://www.epa.gov/diesel-fuel-standards/diesel-fuel-standa...

wmf2• 3 years ago

Chips already travel around the world. Wafers from US or European fabs might go to Singapore or Malaysia for test and packaging, then to China.

runjake2• 3 years ago

To head off the inevitable low quality comments, keep in mind that Broadcom != Qualcomm.

Qualcomm manufactures cellular components for mobile platforms. Broadcom is a different company.

vlovich123• 3 years ago

Is this satire?

brookst4• 3 years ago

People mix them up all the time, especially Very Knowledgeable People Who Know Everything.

runjake2• 3 years ago

No. Go on any other site with this story and read the comments and it's full of "Apple's crawling back to Broadcom with it's tail between it's legs, because it couldn't design it's own LTE chips", referring to it's relationship with another company, Qualcomm.

tombert3• 3 years ago

I might be a bit of an idiot, but Realtek and Broadcom seem to occupy basically the same spot in my brain. They're two companies that do nominally similar things and I'm not smart enough to always differentiate them.

I could totally see someone hearing a vaguely similar name working on vaguely similar products and getting them confused.

tesseract• 3 years ago

And for what it's worth today's Broadcom is actually Avago - which got its start as HP's semiconductor division - after having acquired Broadcom and adopting its name.

MichaelZuo• 3 years ago

It's like how Boeing is actually Mcdonnell-Douglas.

kitsunesoba2• 3 years ago

I always knew Broadcom as "that company that makes WiFi+BT chipsets that are a pain to use under Linux", vs Qualcomm "the company that dominates the Android ARM SoC market".

gumby• 3 years ago

Oh, well this deal will definitely help with the openness issue!

(I like a lot of things about Apple but their lack of interest in documenting hardware is one of this things I don’t. It’s ironic given that without Burrell Smith and his doc there would have been no Macintosh).

jvanderbot• 3 years ago

Broadcom also makes the main cpu for rasp pi.

Tuna-Fish• 3 years ago

Android ARM SoCs are a tiny part of Qualcomm. What you should actually know Qualcomm as is: "The company that developed or acquired all of modern wireless comms tech, and thus gets paid very high license fees for everything that includes anything that talks to anything else over the air."

Although I think they are building up the ARM SoC business because some of their key patents are about to expire?

tombert3• 3 years ago

Is that still true? My home built router and my server are both running Broadcom 10G ethernet cards I didn't have do so anything outside of enabling with ifconfig.

For the record, the OS's I tried this on were ClearOS and Nixos, but I have no reason to think it wouldn't work with other Linuxes.

ralgozino• 3 years ago

I'm surprised nobody mentioned that Broadcom is also in process of buying VMware, the topic has been largely discussed here

bgorman• 3 years ago

The current Broadcom is actually a spin-off from HP. This spin-off (Avago) has been on a massive mergers and acquisitions spree over the last decade. This culminated with Avago buying Broadcom and renaming itself to Broadcom.

Some of the crappy Wifi+BT chipsets that were sold under broadcom were actually sold off to another company, Cypress Semiconductor.

toofy• 3 years ago

yep. i will forever get a sick feeling at any mention of broadcom. they could cure a disease or something and i’d still be like “grumblegrumblegrumblebroadcomsucksgrumblegrumble”.

i sometimes wonder if my great grandchildren will have inherited some dna trait to hate broadcom lol.

i just can’t ever forgive them for the way them and their products treated linux.

paxys• 3 years ago

You are the only one I have ever seen conflate the two.

shapefrog• 3 years ago

If I squint really really really hard they both have "com" towards the end of their names.

jpgvm• 3 years ago

However both are fabless design companies. By "manufacturing" in the US they don't mean building their own fabs etc but rather contracting with a US based company vs Chinese, South Korean or Taiwanese.

marktangotango• 3 years ago

Not SoCs, but radio gear:

The multi-year agreement with Broadcom will see Apple use 5G radio frequency and wireless connectivity components, including FBAR filters, that are designed and manufactured in the U.S.

georgeglue1• 3 years ago

Given the sensitivity on 5G, I'm not really sure Apple or Broadcom ever really had a choice.

Various regulators probably wouldn't let Apple use 5G components produced outside of a [TBD democratic ally of the US]

Aromasin• 3 years ago

Interesting to hear this, following all the articles that they would ditch Broadcom not to long ago (one article of many from the start of the year): https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/gadgets-news/after-intel...)

not_literally• 3 years ago

Device Assembly in the US would be very interesting.

fsflover3• 3 years ago

Purism already do this.

jagger27• 3 years ago

So does Apple with the Mac Pro and a ton of historical pre-Intel Macs.

YourDadVPN• 3 years ago

Is that why Librem 5s cost 10x other phones with similar hardware?

e-clinton• 3 years ago

Curious how many dollars it would add to each iPhone.

bluGill3• 3 years ago

That depends. The US is really cheap if your factory is fully automated, and Apple makes enough phones that full automation seems like it should be a win. For smaller production runs cheap labor is cheaper than the cost of building automation. Optimizing these curves is hard. (Note that China is really a lot cost of labor country anymore, and so production is moving away, but this is a long slow process, not to mention China is investing in automation and reportedly doing well)

Dowwie• 3 years ago

Fort Collins

TradingPlaces• 3 years ago

My read is this is primarily radio filters, and all the stuff they were already buying from Qualcomm. There are a lot of them in 5G iPhones. Biggest loser here in my read is Skyworks, who provided a lot of the front-end-modules.

babl-yc• 3 years ago

I was interested in seeing the kind of job opportunities this would create. Especially after reading Chip War [1] which goes into the history of the offshoring and globalization of Fab processes.

Here are a few of the openings Broadcom's openings at the Fort Collins, CO site [2]:

- Material handler, Manufacturing operator: 12.25 hour shifts, 3-4 day work weeks, ~$19-25/hr. Night shift in higher demand

- General Mechanical Technician: $20-37/hr, alarm response a big component of role

- ASIC Digital Design Engineer, Fab Quality Engineer, R&D Software Engineer, Cleanroom facilities project manager: $78-150k + equity, BS/MS + related experience requirements

[1] https://www.amazon.com/Chip-War-Worlds-Critical-Technology/d... [2] https://broadcom.wd1.myworkdayjobs.com/External_Career?locat...

throw9away64• 3 years ago

Medium/low pay for the work required

andrei_says_2• 3 years ago

This statement sounds cynical.

I hate the fact that I agree - feeling cynical myself.

At this point when I read about $megacorp moving production to the US, I see an indication of globalization-level exploitation and profits being applied to the US labor market.

antonjs2• 3 years ago

I've got to admit I was pretty surprised when I learned about the pay + hard work setup for semi engineers at TSMC in Taiwan. I'd be curious if anyone has any first hand experience with it.

rayiner• 3 years ago

That asic digital designer range is really low unless the equity is very generous.

thatoneguy• 3 years ago

Yeah, I remember meeting someone who designed ASICs back in 2000 or 2001 and he made ~$260k/year ($1000/work day) as a salaried employee for a certain large printer company.

senko2• 3 years ago

Pick any two:

- better wages

- US jobs

- lower price

skywal_l2• 3 years ago

Doesn't the first and last one cancel each other out?

sounds2• 3 years ago

That may be true for highly labor intensive roles but a fully automated operation is _more_ profitable when the few jobs that are required are staffed by trained personnel.

That is one of the reasons this factory isn't located in a poorer area. It's in Ft. Collins _because_ the profitability projections assume they can operate at somewhere better than 97% uptime.

rozap2• 3 years ago

better wages, us jobs. easy.

And don't replace your iPhone every year, because now it costs 50% more.

Of course, walking back on the race to the bottom will be difficult. So I don't know how it plays out in the real world.

PragmaticPulp• 3 years ago

These are in Fort Collins, CO. It's the 151st largest metro area in the US, so it's not really a tech jobs hub. Getting up to $150K plus equity and benefits wouldn't be a great salary in San Jose or Seattle, but it's not out of line with a lot of tech jobs in less populated metro areas.

Kye• 3 years ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Collins,_Colorado#Economy

> "Many high-tech companies have relocated to Fort Collins because of the resources of Colorado State University and its research facilities. Hewlett-Packard, Intel, AMD, Broadcom, Beckman Coulter, Microsoft, Rubicon Water and Pelco all have offices in Fort Collins. Other industries include clean energy, bioscience, and agri-tech businesses."

Maybe not a hub yet, but it's headed that way. It's also only an hour away from Denver.

nerdponx3• 3 years ago

Even in New York and Boston there are a lot of programmers and other midlevel ICs making making ~$150k. Not everyone is lucky enough to work at Google.

sounds2• 3 years ago

Keep in mind the posted salary is negotiable. It's a rookie mistake to assume that if you are offered the job, your only option is to take the offer at the amount listed in the public job offer.

Negotiating salary well is an important career skill.

anthomtb• 3 years ago

Fort Collins is not near a San Jose or Seattle level of tech employment but then, neither is anywhere else in the USA. Any tech worker who ends up there won't be hurting for employment opportunities, especially if they are willing to commute to Denver or Boulder.

Just don't be surprised when the cost-of-living ends up higher then one might expect. Housing is still a good deal by Bay Area or NYC standards, though.

cjsawyer2• 3 years ago

I am from Colorado and went to school in Fort Collins. It maybe be small nationally, but it’s probably the 4th biggest tech area in CO after Denver, DTC, and Colorado Springs. Cost of living is surprisingly high unless you live in student housing.

93po• 3 years ago

Median house price is still $590k there, which is $4200 a month plus taxes and PMI. $150k is $8800 a month take home pay after taxes (including CO state). Making $150k and still spending more than half your post-tax income (after taxes/PMI/repairs/HOA) on housing is wild.

throw9away64• 3 years ago

It’s 70-90k for most engineers and probably 130-150 for 20+ year veterans. That’s not great pay anywhere

xyzzy4747• 3 years ago

You haven’t worked for Broadcom before. The equity is usually over $100k per year.

linsomniac3• 3 years ago

It's not unfair to say Fort Collins isn't a tech hub, but it's also not too bad. Trivia: One of the first non-CA Hewlett-Packard plants is down the road in Loveland. They also have a big campus in Fort Collins, which is where the Broadcom site is now.

seanmcdirmid• 3 years ago

Fort Collins housing prices are still high ($550k vs $570k for Denver), typical for CO and much of the intermountain west.

dylan6042• 3 years ago

12.25 hour shifts

I've never seen this. Is that a required 15 overlap for shift change?

grecy• 3 years ago

That is exactly what my buddies do in the Alberta oilsands for exactly the overlap reason.

tomassre• 3 years ago

12 hour shifts are 13+ hours of actually being there because of lunch / breaks. For example Genentech in SF / Vacaville are "12 hours paid shifts" with 1 hour mandatory lunch. So no it is not required for an overlap because there i already a required by law break (lunch) that forces overlap (assuming this applies to more states than just CA).

nimbius• 3 years ago

General Mechanical Technician is another name for mechanical maintenance. in my experience, if "alarm response" is a big part of the gig then run for the hills because this company intends to run their equipment until its literally a pile of flaming grease and beeping melted plastic.

alarm response means you as a mech tech/mechanical maintenance have failed proactive or preventative work and will spend the rest of your career working mandatory overtime to fix what aint fixable anymore. the reason for this failure is nearly always management pushing for higher uptime and output. alarm response should never constitute a new factories big ticket issues.

neximo64• 3 years ago

The competition is Taiwan, you realise that?

- Automation can't easily justify higher salaries, as it is highly automated to begin with.

- The product's pricing has to be cheap too, which is going to be difficult.

bilsbie• 3 years ago

Reshoring

vkdelta• 3 years ago

So, Apple decides to make their own 5G cellular modem. Now, apart from Baseband, some of the RF in the cellular is hard (modulators with low power consumption, Envelope trackers, diplexers, duplexers). Some of these were designed by Qualcomm and some from Avago (Broadcom got acquired by Avago and renamed to Broadcom), Skyworks, Analog Devices, etc. So it is not surprising that Apple wants Broadcom's help for next few years until when Apple decides to again vertically integrate and make those components as well ( but they may decide it is not that cost competitive to do do).

The hardest part was Qualcomm's cost and paying them FOB royalties (which got capped at some point by DOJ/FTC involvement).

ksec6• 3 years ago

FOB royalties (which got capped at some point by DOJ/FTC involvement).

The royalties were always capped both in theory and in practice. Before or After any Apple's lawsuit involvement.

nkotov• 3 years ago

If I'm not wrong, I believe Apple in the late 80s and 90s manufactured in the US, and again in the 2010s with the Mac Pro. I remember reading somewhere that they lost a ton of money because of it.

tambourine_man• 3 years ago

Steve was fanatical about automated factories for the original Mac and NeXT cubes. He kept bragging that their factories were the most advanced in the world, better than Japanese, etc.

Cook went the other direction, outsourcing to humans on other continents.

Clubber• 3 years ago

The "garbage can," model. I have one. It was double the price of the previous generation MacPro, 1/4 as upgradable and had some serious thermal issues. It is considered a flop, but I liked mine. I got it used.

https://support.apple.com/kb/sp697?locale=en_US

diebeforei485• 3 years ago

Apple is basically building redundancy into its supply chain here. Just in case they are cut off from China, they will be able to set up final assembly elsewhere and will already have supply of the critical parts.

pkaye2• 3 years ago

Mexico is becoming the new China for manufacturing. Even many Chinese companies are building factories there. Also recently Mexico is offering work visas for workers from central America. Check out this Wendover video on it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXT46osICdY

ChuckNorris89• 3 years ago

Wasn't Mexico like that in the '90s? I remember GPUs, ThinkPads and a lot of PC hardware were made in Mexico back then.

And then suddenly, as if overnight, everything moved to China.

ren_engineer• 3 years ago

they are just using Mexico as a way to get around tariffs and other trade restrictions. On paper it might say "Mexico" is the biggest trade partner for the US, but the reality all the stuff is still coming from China with an extra hop to do final assembly in Mexico. China is doing the same thing with manufacturing in Vietnam, all the money still flows back to China in the end

Mexico has none of the actual infrastructure or skilled workforce needed to be an actual manufacturing powerhouse that makes things from scratch

throw_m239339• 3 years ago

Mexico is becoming the new China for manufacturing.

Yes, people claimed that during the era of the maquiladoras... it has not materialized 30 years after.

WhyNotHugo4• 3 years ago

With Biden repeatedly threatening to invade China and destroy the factories in Taiwan, it's clear Apple is just making sure they have a good fallback plan.

bearjaws• 3 years ago

With Biden repeatedly threatening to invade China

Has he actually said invade China?

The most the US has said was when China invades Taiwan, the US will defend them.

pertymcpert• 3 years ago

It's not an invasion of the country being invaded asks for help.

barbazoo• 3 years ago

Citation needed

yalogin• 3 years ago

Oof that was out of left field. Did not expect this here. Obviously wrong

chrgy• 3 years ago

Lots of companies are cutting ties with China, Apple is obligated to do so. But the more companies cutting ties with China, make it easier for both China and US to have Military conflict on Taiwan. Replicating TSMC is in the making by intel but It will take Years, and would have been nice if APPLE, AMD and Nvidia would Start a Fab Together in the US as a part of the Chips ACT.

Workaccount23• 3 years ago

I listened to an interview with the former CEO (and now chairman) of Microchip the other day. Microchip actually turned down money beyond $150MM from the chips act because it had too many strings attached to make building a fab with it worthwhile.

bsder• 3 years ago

We call them Microcheap for a reason ...

And it's kind of stupid because Microchip is still having 52+ week delivery issues. ST has gained three customers that I know of becuase of this.

local_crmdgeon• 3 years ago

you have cause and effect backwards here.

https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/decoupling-is-just-going-to-ha...

WhyNotHugo4• 3 years ago

As a third party, it's kinda sad that the US is so invested in going to war and seeking even more conflict.

All this energy could be invested in cooperating and building together. Instead, it's being wasted in preparing for yet another pointless armed conflict. It's not like we don't have enough problems already.

DontchaKnowit5• 3 years ago

I mean you can stick your fingers into all your various sensory orifices and ignore the growing turmoil between Taiwan and China all you want, but the reality is that there is nothing the US can or will do that will prevent China from doing what they please with regards to Taiwan.

Tostino2• 3 years ago

Just wondering what your thoughts are on China's self determination in deciding to invade or not? Why are you acting like the US is the one invading another nation?

borissk3• 3 years ago

Complete nonsense. Cooperating with Putin lead to the invasion of Ukraine. Cooperating with the Chinese Communist Party can only lead to the invasion of Taiwan.

theandrewbailey• 3 years ago

As a third party, it's kinda sad that China is so invested in going to war and seeking even more conflict.

FTFY. China is the actively belligerent party when it comes to Taiwan. The US doesn't want to invade either one. Don't forget the ongoing Uighur genocide in Xinjiang.

pphysch4• 3 years ago

Lots of companies are cutting ties with China

Do you have anything to back this up, preferably not cherry-picking pandemic data?

Last I checked Apple had 90% of their manufacturing done in China and lost an Indian supplier this week.

Bing apparently just became the #1 search engine in China among desktop users (whatever that means).

China just came out of nowhere as the #1 car exporter.

The idea that the world will isolate China on behalf of Washington is a unipolar pipe dream.

threeseed2• 3 years ago

The idea that the world will isolate China on behalf of Washington

Countries are doing it because of economic coercion.

China has banned Australian products from import (in violation of WTO rules) because of its position on Taiwan, Quad, Chinese foreign investment etc. Similarly for Sweden.

Which is one reason why EU has not been keen on a comprehensive FTA with China.

tatrajim• 3 years ago

In East Asia, China-South Korea relations have turned rocky over the past ten years, due to frustration on the part of China over South Korea's continued military alliance with the U.S. (e.g. the THAAD radar issue in 2017 that ended by ruining the burgeoning Korean Lotte network of shopping centers across China). Samsung used to be huge in China, but now it's largely domestic brands Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo et al. Samsung had a massive phone assembly plant in Tianjin, but moved to northern Vietnam.

From a Korea perspective, the proprietorial attitude of many Chinese ("Korea used be part of China" Xi Jinping told Donald Trump), and the penumbra of nationalism in the PRC have resulted in a major shift in public opinion from 2000. Now some 80% of South Korean youth view China unfavorably, and that seems unlikely to improve in the near future.

manv1• 3 years ago

The whole point of bringing countries like China into the world economic system is to make sure that they realize that aggressive action is counterproductive and they refrain from doing so.

Unfortunately that hasn't really worked with China, which is why the world is starting to decouple from China; the CPP still prioritizes its institutional needs over "The People", which is ironic since they're supposed to be working for "The People."

That's probably why the CPP is scared of the people and tries to control them.

thrashh2• 3 years ago

The world is really decoupling with China because it is so unpredictable. Xi made himself forever leader only 10 years ago and it's been a unpredictable rollercoaster of policy since then.

Stability is the foundation of every working relationship. Everyone wants to latch onto you when you are stable. You can even work with an adversary as long as they are stable. China had it for a while before Xi.

Most countries have yet to achieve long-term stability. Stability is super difficult to achieve.

dehrmann• 3 years ago

I guess that's the motivation, but China likely reads it as the west trying to keep it down or the west preparing for war.

xwowsersx2• 3 years ago

Why is Apple obligated to do so?

smoldesu• 3 years ago

Presumably because they care so much about privacy being a human right, and every day This Page[0] exists it breaks their heart. Breaking ties with China would be a great way to start getting tough on autocratic privacy overreach.

[0] https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208351

JumpCrisscross6• 3 years ago

the more companies cutting ties with China, make it easier for both China and US to have Military conflict on Taiwan

The coefficient of trade and belligerence is about 0.2, i.e. "a doubling of trade on average leads to a 20% diminution of belligerence" [1]. And trade with China continues to grow [2]. I wouldn't read the semiconductor re-shoring as materially changing the odds of a war per se.

[1] https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Solomon-Polachek/public...

[2] https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html

ksec6• 3 years ago

Lots of companies are cutting ties with China, Apple is obligated to do so.

Not only is Apple not obligated to do so, they literally double down their investment as recently as 2021. In 2022 their total Chinese Suppliers were still rising. And that is excluding some suppliers slotted into other countries via different HQ strategy.

To see how many people believe Apple is doing the right thing just shows another master piece of Apple's PR.

1970-01-01• 3 years ago

Broadcom stock price has been soaring lately. Good time to buy or missed the boat?

0x457• 3 years ago

Buy the rumor, sell the news.

Destiner• 3 years ago

Never try to catch a specific price if you don't have any private insight, as that is effectively day trading.

moffkalast• 3 years ago

Never try it with private insight either, they'll just book you for insider trading.

alberth2• 3 years ago

Does this mean Apple has given up trying to design/manufacturer their own modem/radio antenna?

Reminder, Apple:

- Paid $4.5B to Qualcomm to settle the lawsuit & gain modem/radio patents

- Paid $1B to Intel to acquire their radio division

All under the plan to build their own SoC modem/radio.

This would be a significant course change in Apple's plans if this means they have given up on this plan and will instead use Broadcom.

brookst4• 3 years ago

I don't think it means that. It seems to say that Apple will buy components for RF, not necessarily modems and antennas.

I'd be very surprised if Apple gave up on their internal modems. Not sure about whether the plan was ever to make antennas or just to have IP protection for option value. But there are a ton of other parts in the RF stack.

borissk3• 3 years ago

No, they are just going to use Broadcom components in their modem.

ksec6• 3 years ago

- Paid $4.5B to Qualcomm to settle the lawsuit & gain modem/radio patents

They gain access to modem / radio patents. They settled with Qualcomm so they can continue to do business with Qualcomm and purchase modem as well as paying patents to use it.

This news means they are going ahead with their own modem. And judging by this announcement date it will be iPhone 16 at the earliest before their Modem ship.

j452• 3 years ago

Wow, talk about coming full circle.

j452• 3 years ago

Specifically

https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/01/09/apple-looking-to-...

syngrog66• 3 years ago

great news. China-Taiwan war chances seem high enough would be wise to reduce our dependence on both wherever we can

fundad2• 3 years ago

not to mention 6 years of a trade war

suzzer99• 3 years ago

Broadcom still exists! Who knew?

ulfw• 3 years ago

Broadcom, the Singaporean company? Okay.

Apple announces multibillion deal with Broadcom to make components in the USA

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