Microsoft: Join Developer Design

https://microsoft.github.io/join-dev-design/

by reimertz • 8 years ago

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schappim• 8 years ago

Be sure to checkout the cute message in your browser's console :)

Bahamut• 8 years ago

Interestingly, it doesn't work in Safari

wolfspider2• 8 years ago

Works in my Safari desktop and iOS. Maybe it's because Microsoft fixed it in ~14 minutes or it's because I have a traditional art degree and my Safari just loads things differently ;)

jmspring• 8 years ago

Works fine if you have developer tools enabled (advanced tab) and open java-script console window. End up with a multi-colored block (orange, green, and black for me) with the link in the middle.

shaunpersad• 8 years ago

It might have something to do with the fact that their script tag that encompasses the console.log is outside of the body tag.

mintplant• 8 years ago

It's also broken in Firefox Nightly (on Windows), and on Microsoft's own Edge.

duxup• 8 years ago

I didn't know you could do that in the console...

andrewstellman• 8 years ago

Yep. Here's the line that prints it – open a new Chrome tab (ymmv w/ other browsers, definitely looks weird in Safari), open developer tools, and paste it into the console:

console.log("%c\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\t\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n Hi there! \n\nIt seems you like to poke around as much as we do.\n\nhttps://github.com/Microsoft/join-dev-design", "color: white; background-color: #080808; background-image: url(https://microsoft.github.io/join-dev-design/msft-square.svg)... background-size: 70%; background-position: 50% 25%; background-repeat: no-repeat; padding: 3em; text-align: center;font-size: 1.25em;");

markatkinson• 8 years ago

Well spotted, I also didn't realise you could print such complex things in the console till I checked Discords out. That gave me a fright! Took me a while to realise that I was actually looking at the console.

reimertz2• 8 years ago

Funny you found this! I was quite amazed what you could do with the styling, especially the support for background-image.

As soon as this got merged, I realized, just as yread points about below; the complication of tracking due to the ability to include url() tags. Would be fun exploring the complications of that.

Blame is on me for not testing it in multiple browsers but I kind of assumed it would break somewhere due to this relying on fairly experimental features. :)

letientai2992• 8 years ago

So, that's you who add that console message. I've submitted a PR to remove the styling it breaks on many browsers (actually, it only works on Chrome-based browser).

I know that we can style console text (try open console in facebook when using Chrome), but only until today, I learn that we can also add image background. Thank you.

m52go• 8 years ago

Fresh. Love how this 1 short simple page brings together so much of what defines modern Microsoft. Got me interested!

I'm a designer who codes, a coder who writes, and a writer who designs. Will send something soon...

some_account• 8 years ago

Modern Microsoft... God you guys are falling so much for PR it's not even funny.

It's the same company with another coat of paint, designed to get you to react exactly how you are reacting now. And you don't even realize.

Qworg• 8 years ago

"Let the past die. Kill it if you have to."

Why can't people be excited by something from Microsoft?

gaius• 8 years ago

Modern Microsoft... God you guys are falling so much for PR it's not even funny.

Careful, you’ll end up like ESR

pluma3• 8 years ago

Well, my country literally committed the original Holocaust yet you probably don't automatically assume I'm an anti-Semite because of my nationality (and if you balk that so much time has passed since the end of WW2, think about whether you would have been right to think me an anti-Semite if we were in the 1960s).

Companies change. Especially large corporations that have always been fairly heterogeneous. Microsoft never cared about killing open source, Microsoft cared about improving its bottom line and killing open source was considered a necessity to accomplish that goal. That didn't work out and now they're doing things differently.

seanmcdirmid• 8 years ago

I wonder if they are hiring dev tool designers for devdiv in general, or is this a new project?

discordance• 8 years ago

This team at Microsoft say they use Zeit. That's weird? - isn't Zeit a direct competitor with Azure?

maroonblazer• 8 years ago

They use Macs too.

merinowool4• 8 years ago

That's probably to copy someone else ideas without doing their own research?

vezycash• 8 years ago

Everyone copies. Heck, you're probably part of those who mocked Microsoft for its abysmal returns on its $10+ billion per year research expenditure.

They contrasted this with Apple who spent less than $3B (at the time) on research with crazy returns on investment.

Immediate profit from research isn't guaranteed. The rule is copy where necessary or die.

andyfleming2• 8 years ago

I don't think it's a very direct competitor. They probably use zeit for publishing design prototypes (or a similar use case).

deltron30302• 8 years ago

If I remeber correctly, their Now service uses several cloud vendors, they let you choose where you want to deploy, including Azure. Now, Up, Netflify and other services like that are basically providing a better UX for a special audience on top of those clouds, that better UX is what you pay for.

hitekker• 8 years ago

Not sure if it's just me, but I can scroll down by 5 pixels on my device. Is there content below the Call-To-Action or is it suppose to fit the entire screen?

adityapurwa• 8 years ago

Wow,

Designed in Figma. Built in Code. Open sourced on GitHub.

Code and GitHub is now Microsoft's, I wonder Figma would be acquired too, Figma is a great software and really useful for me who doesn't have a Mac.

plorntus• 8 years ago

Code was always Microsoft's.

andyfleming2• 8 years ago

Maybe they were thinking of Atom?

anticensor• 8 years ago

Why not ASP.NET and VisualStudio?

deltron30302• 8 years ago

Figma should aim for their own Linux or BSD distro focused on full stack webdev (designers who code, coders who design), and maybe even tailored hardware in the future. There's so much potential in this space, I wouldn't sell to MS. They could become an Apple alternative that is respected by designers!

ukyrgf• 8 years ago

It harkens back to the "Best Viewed with Microsoft Internet Explorer 4" days, for me.

jhare• 8 years ago

I guess buying LinkedIn didn't give them enough connections to convince people to work at that shitfactory

merinowool4• 8 years ago

No love for Linux? Good luck finding devs that actually work instead of hanging around Starbucks boasting their leased £6000 Macs.

anonytrary2• 8 years ago

Don't most devs prefer writing code on Macs? I haven't met many developers who use linux as their main development machine, and it makes sense. If you are productive on Linux, you will most likely be immediately productive on a Mac.

hashhar• 8 years ago

I used to think the same before my work company issued us macs. The fact that you have to purchase and install third party software for things which are either inbuilt in modern Linux DEs or come as simple small plug ins is crazy.

The lack of a frecency based app launcher, fuzzy findable window switcher, auto hide and scrolling of menu bar items when an apps menu is too long are all things that can be done in a pinch on GNOME or on something like bspwm, i3 etc. but need me to shell out around ₹2000 to buy third party software on the Mac is appalling.

Finder is shit compared to Nautilus, their spaces implementation leaves a lot to be desired etc.

Double_a_922• 8 years ago

Because if you don't use Linux you are automatically some lazy hipster?

dvdsgl2• 8 years ago

We use Linux! Submit a PR.

anonytrary2• 8 years ago

We use PCs, Macs, Figma, Sketch, GitHub, JavaScript, ZEIT, and other modern tools to design, prototype, and build the future of software development.

This is some incredible self-awareness. I've encountered more than a few people who casually brush off applying to Microsoft because they prefer developing on unix machines.

hrktb• 8 years ago

Perhaps you have more insight into this ?

For the outside it still feels like unix is seen as a necessary evil.

It will be used extensively, devs are welcome and MS platform need to be compatible at the lowest level. But at every term ther is this tingling feeling of “you know we would have preferes if everyone was on windows and coded on VisualCode for .Net”

I think MS changed a lot in the last decades, but it still doesn’t feel like the best place to work in for people who fundamentally don’t care about windows ecosystem. Is this undue prejudice nowadays ?

carlmr2• 8 years ago

“you know we would have preferes if everyone was on windows and coded on VisualCode for .Net”

If you mean VisualStudioCode it's cross platform and you can program .NET in it with .NET Core on Linux.

If you mean Visual Studio then that's only good on Windows.

matt40772• 8 years ago

The Mac vs PC wars seems to have mostly passed. If not back when Gates actually invested in Apple when Jobs came back as CEO, then certainly when desktops lost their primacy among devices and growth stagnated. It also became clear that market shares would remain roughly stable.

MS earns its money selling 7-digit support contracts for databases and other enterprisy products. More and more, they will go the way of IBM and shift to services.

To remain invested in some sort of petty tribalism proscribing individual choices in tools would just be embarrassing at this point.

It may also be harmful, causing its workforce not to notice good ideas first appearing on other platforms, scaring away people not willing to work with (in their view) inferior tools, and risking to end up with a shortage of expertise when they decide to expand on non-windows platforms.

Torn• 8 years ago

I've previously worked for a company bought by Microsoft in the UK, and we (and all the MS employees I met) used Macs. The modern Microsoft goes to where the customers are. Yes, there was an old-guard that was very windows-centric, but all the new people and energy weren't dogmatic

baybal22• 8 years ago

JavaScript

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aldanor• 8 years ago

...

They surely meant Microsoft/TypeScript if that's what worries you...

dosy• 8 years ago

This is a cool way to do/start hiring. "collaborative" hiring process.

lloydde• 8 years ago

Looks to requires signing CLA to participate, though email was the other option. Ex https://github.com/Microsoft/join-dev-design/pull/40

w-m• 8 years ago

Are they going to immediately hire whoever submits the loveliest bike-shed?

tomc1985• 8 years ago

Is having 21 contributors for a single static page something worth bragging about?

saagarjha• 8 years ago

One of them appears to be a bot: https://github.com/Microsoft/join-dev-design/graphs/contribu...

cncrnd2• 8 years ago

Go collaboration!

tehlike• 8 years ago

Replace all with a simple text file or even more basic html, and win simplicity award. Number of commits so far is an example of why things need to be simple.

reimertz2• 8 years ago

For a fun, artistic experiment, yes, it’s worth showing off the amount of people involved.

I assume there will be hundreds in a week or two and the site will be something completely different.

For example, a PR just came in, containing a time-travel functionality so that you can travel between commits, on the fly!

If that isn’t cool and something worth celebrating, I don’t know what is.

dalemyers• 8 years ago

It seems that the point of the site is that other people contribute? Looking at a few contributors, it seems that most aren't Microsoft employees.

dvdsgl2• 8 years ago

In the first 24 hours? Yes!

bespoken• 8 years ago

We use PCs, Macs,

Huh, Mac is not a PC?

We believe in diversity, openness,

We know, with Windows 10 openness of your private data is a core feature

Send a PR with any improvement to microsoft/join-dev-design

Short of ideas and creative people? Or just want it for free?

Double_a_922• 8 years ago

Huh, Mac is not a PC?

Only if you do uncertified repairs on it :^)

ewiewi• 8 years ago

Short of ideas and creative people? Or just want it for free?

As I see it, it's at worst a fun experiment on the design of a single page. I think it's also a very nice way to get a conversation going with people who might be good fit for their team.

All in all, I don't think there's any need to be that negative about it =)

cncrnd2• 8 years ago

Sort of unrelated, but I feel like Microsoft's behavior lately has been kind of fishy. I don't understand all the self-promotion, and I don't see it nearly as much for other tech companies.

Is repeating 'intelligent cloud' over and over again helpful in getting customers? Or is this all just a big stock pump?

dingo_bat• 8 years ago

Did not know you could put emojis in git commit messages: https://github.com/Microsoft/join-dev-design/commit/db8133c7...

WorldMaker2• 8 years ago

Full Unicode is supported nearly everywhere but HN these days. ;P

Also GitHub has long supported :emoji-name: expansions for those that want to limit UTF-8 in their git commits, and for those on operating systems without dedicated emoji soft keyboards. (In recent Windows 10, Windows+. and Windows+; bring up the emoji keyboard. It's great.)

I've seen projects require emoji as prefixed commit type descriptors: a bug emoji like ant is more interesting than FIX:, a wrench more interesting than TOOLING/SUPPORT:, etc. A neat benefit of that is it leaves the commit types as one character width lining things up nicely and leaving more room for meaningful text in the commit header.

I tend to do something similar with my personal repositories though not nearly as systematic.

royjacobs• 8 years ago

It sucks that the reactions to this are so close-minded and negative. It definitely makes me feel that the HN community is becoming a toxic and insular echo chamber.

giancarlostoro4• 8 years ago

Software developers get religious about their OS like they do their choice of a text editor. :)

shapiro92• 8 years ago

young developers and really senior do that. Young are just naive, really senior are no longer interested in new technologies. You have to aim for the middle, when the developer is interested to learn. Thats where you find agnostic developers

yedawg• 8 years ago

eat your competition cough i mean beat your competition

Rjevski2• 8 years ago

I wish they'd look at fixing the UI of their core product - Windows 10 - first before anything else. It's a huge downgrade from Windows 7 and they still haven't picked up the ball. Quite shocking really.

thiscatis• 8 years ago

If you still think that Windows is their core product you should fast-forward to 2018.

Rjevski2• 8 years ago

I don’t see why it would not be their core product. It’s still huge in the enterprise, it’s the one thing that can’t be easily replicated by a competitor and so guarantees them a long term revenue stream. Everything else has successful competition (PS4 for the Xbox, Google Docs & G-Suite for Office 365, AWS & Google Cloud for Azure, etc).

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