Linode Nextgen: The Network

http://blog.linode.com/2013/03/07/linode-nextgen-the-network/

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gtaylor• 13 years ago

Wow, this is quite a jump. Great to see Linode continue to lower costs and improve quality.

It's also important to note that if the billing system stays the same, each instance you purchase increments your account-wide bandwidth pool. For example, if a Linode 512 has 2 TB worth of data and you have two of them, you end up with 4 TB for all Linodes on your account. It's not bound to the individual Linodes.

evanw• 13 years ago

Edit: The post title has been changed, but tldr is that Linode is increasing the monthly transfer limit quota 10x because they're upgrading their network infrastructure.

It's great that Linode is passing these improvements to their customers free of charge. A while back they increased RAM allocated to all users without increasing prices, which was a great surprise. Things like this make me happy to host my multiple projects with them.

jonknee• 13 years ago

A 10x increase in bandwidth is pretty impressive. More useful to me at least is the increased throughput though, 250Mbps is pretty speedy.

stefantalpalaru• 13 years ago

original title: "Linode is increasing the monthly transfer quota 10x after a hw upgrade"

slig3• 13 years ago

That's great. If it was another provider doing this 10 fold increase, I'd suspect they would fuck up and wouldn't be able to deliver. Linode earned my trust and I can't recommend them enough.

taligent4• 13 years ago

Please. Major upgrades happen every single day among the various VPS providers. And whilst it is notable it isn't particularly useful to most Linode customers. In fact 99% won't see any difference at all.

Had they actually decided to offer SSD based instances to compete with the likes of DigitalOcean then we would have something interesting.

Also this is a terrible way for a company to earn trust. It should be earned based on their behaviour during the bad times. And we know how appalling Linode handles those.

slig3• 13 years ago

My comment wasn't clear. Linode has earned my trust along the years (been a costumer since Jan/2009), via top notch support and quality hardware/network.

spitfire• 13 years ago

Neat. But it's really the hardware size that's the restricting feature of linode. In particular: Memory.

jcdavis• 13 years ago

Yea. I'm hoping as part of this nextgen upgrade they announce more RAM. SSDs would of course be nice too, but more RAM is what I want the most

chx• 13 years ago

For less than the price of a 4GB linode get a 32GB SSD server from OVH http://www.ovh.com/us/dedicated-servers/sp_32g_ssd.xml or a multitude of others http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/8302/99-e3-32-gb-list-o... .

shuzchen• 13 years ago

From the blog post, this is just part 1 out of 3 new features they're touting. So it's quite possible memory might get an upgrade. I personally wouldn't bet on it though, the host machines are likely maxed out on total RAM and upgrading would mean more hardware than just sticks.

endianswap• 13 years ago

This is one of the reasons why I am happy to support Linode with my business: they seem to care about doing things the right way and keeping people happy. I've got a simple 512 Linode server that I use infrequently (I like having a Linux box available in the "cloud" to SSH to from home/work) and yet I've always been treated as a "real" customer. I know it's sad that I'm impressed by it, but grandfathering in customers like this just by default, and always having great support turnaround times (within a couple hours at basically any time of the day) makes me like the Linode guys a ton. This sort of stuff is the reason why I don't really care if there's a cheaper alternative; I know what I'm paying for and I'm very happy with what I'm getting.

machbio2• 13 years ago

Cant Love them Enough, they are meticulous in their efforts and the most trustworthy VPS providers.. Just love them - can do free advertising for them - call me fan or follower.. we love Linode

pavs2• 13 years ago

I never quite understood the love for premium vps like linode (also remember slicehost?). If you check out lowendbox vps, their top-rated providers almost always beats linode (and alike) in almost all category you can think of.

Its nice that they are now increasing the bandwidth cap, but it was on the low side to begin with. My takeaway from this is that "linode finally joins everyone else in network speed and bandwidth."

Don't get me wrong, I have used linode in the past and enjoyed them very much and never had any problems, and support was top notch. but their offering is not very impressive at all.

Edit: wow, thats a lot of hostility... didn't realize linode reached fandom status. I guess I should keep my opinions to myself then?

cheald2• 13 years ago

Support matters. When your neighbor is being DDOSed and you're offline as collateral damage, active support is the difference between happy customers and angry customer losses.

For hobby boxes, yeah, sure, use whatever is the most cost-efficient.

pavs2• 13 years ago

Most medium sized vps will provide DDOS measures to a certain limit (no one will provide full-proof DDOS support). Fast and good customer support from server providers are not as rare as they used to be, they are pretty much given.

taligent4• 13 years ago

Linode is great during stable periods but when there is an outage or DDOS they are completely absent. I was sick to death of waiting whilst my Fremont instances were down due to power issues and receiving no response from support tickets.

And based on their security incidents Linode is absolutely in the hobby box category as well. At least Amazon is PCI DSS compliant.

jaequery• 13 years ago

Take a look at this, a new anti-DDoS proxy service provided by Litespeed. this type of service seems to be the future of how handling DDoS attacks. http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5339500

csomar2• 13 years ago

I actually found Linode support to be terrible. It's fast, but it's not honest. If there is interest about the issue that happened to me (Backups went down), I'll write a blog post about it.

machbio2• 13 years ago

Things dont come cheap, they might be beaten at the price..but the comparison ends at that..

Enterprise Hardware at 20 Dollars does not come cheap, and with their support unlike AWS or anyone else.. they are every bit worth-full

verelo2• 13 years ago

AWS support gets a lot better once you're an enterprise level user.

johnward2• 13 years ago

$20 a month is really nothing for supported hosting. I've been testing some of these PAaS offerings and I don't see how so many people can use them. The amount of downtime you see on things like heroku or pretty much anything that use AWS is awful. With my dedicated server I pretty much have no downtime. I see AWS issues all the time.

walls2• 13 years ago

> If you check out lowendbox vps, their top-rated providers almost always beats linode (and alike) in almost all category you can think of.

And then you go and try those services, and realize how poor performance and stability is. Having been through several providers, I have personally found nothing that compares.

taligent4• 13 years ago

Err. Linode has pretty average performance compared to the SSD providers.

And during my time as a customer Linode was the worst out of all the VPS I had ever tried up until that point. Constant outages at Fremont and heard about the same at London DC as well.

slig3• 13 years ago

People don't mind paying a premium if they trust the company. I know that linode won't disappear tomorrow but I'm not so sure about an unknown VPS company.

yogo3• 13 years ago

Are you kidding? I often evaluate offerings from lowendbox and it still surprises me that for many of them images for some of the distros don't even work (solusvm seems to be crappy too). Linode is probably the only company outside of Rackspace (slicehost) to get Arch Linux images right to the point where it works great for production use. The support is always under 5 minutes.

CedarMadness2• 13 years ago

I never used Linode for Arch, what do differently that makes it better than others?

grey-area• 13 years ago

If you check out lowendbox vps, their top-rated providers almost always beats linode (and alike) in almost all category you can think of.

There are more things in heaven and earth, pavs, than are dreamt of in your vps comparison tables.

People choose slightly more expensive hosting because it is often less oversold, not maxed out (you're sharing resources with everyone else on your server after all), they have libraries, example stacks, backups and extra services, and the support is better. If you pay $5 a month, you'll get $5 a month of support (or the provider will go out of business). How much of your time would $5 a month pay for?

I've used both slicehost and Linode, and a few other hosting companies who promised the moon and failed to deliver. Currently a happy Linode customer and have more important things to worry about than saving insignificant sums of money per month on what is a critical service for a web company.

dinkumthinkum2• 13 years ago

Honestly, I just trust Linode more than what I might find off of lowendbox.com. I'm happy to support them. For most of us running startups, are we all trying to compete with our competitors purely on who can race the bottom pricing?

jackowayed2• 13 years ago

If you're actually running a business off of a VPS, where the cost of downtime far outstrips the monthly bill, it's absolutely worth paying more.

I have a VPS I found on lowend box. $5/month for a 512MB OpenVZ. It's a pretty good deal, and it does what I need it to do; I have full control over it, I can give other people access to it, I can run any kind of website on it as long as I don't care too much about performance or uptime.

But there's no way I would run any service that was bringing in money on it. It basically has downtime every single month. Usually only for a few minutes at a time, and they tend to scrape by just barely exceeding 99.90%, but still. There also was one time when they emailed me saying there had been a power loss or some other reason that the rack my server was on went down, and I actually ended up having to go into the console to start my server back up and get everything working.

I've also found their support ... not particularly supportive.

Sure, Linode is 4x as expensive for the "same thing" (though to get Xen from my provider is only about 3x cheaper than Linode), but the amount of total money is negligible. $15/month. Maybe if I needed more resources it would be a difference of $100/month, but if I need a 4GB VPS for a service that's meant to make me money, that should still hopefully be trivial. For a service provider with much better uptime and support, that's a no-brainer.

dean3• 13 years ago

"... and they tend to scrape by just barely exceeding 99.90% [uptime]"

Wow. That sentence makes 99.9% uptime sound really shitty.

orthecreedence• 13 years ago

If you're actually running a business, then redundancy is the way to go, not spending more on real hardware. With a VPS, you're able to achieve redundancy fairly easily, provided you have multiple datacenters available (Linode does). Without some sort of failover, a dead server means downtime whether you're dedicated or VPS.

Also, Linode's SLA may be 99.9%, but I've experienced with two businesses, using Linode over the course of four years, about 45 minutes total of downtime (on any given server, not our entire infrastructure). I'd much sooner take years of past experience showing incredibly good uptime over a piece of paper meant to limit liability.

I believe Linode is an excellent choice for small-medium sized online companies.

mctx• 13 years ago

Could you buy two cheap VPSs from different suppliers? That way you'd have redundancy and save money?

mark_l_watson• 13 years ago

I think it is probably worth the extra cost. I use another "premium" VPS vendor (RimuHosting) to host all of my Clojure web apps and the extra quality of service is worth it.

I think you do make a good point if you are saying that for some projects the cheapest possible hosting makes sense.

jjcm2• 13 years ago

I have a multitude of VPSs from various hosts (I've used vpslink, slicehost, linode, EC2, azure, prgmr, and about 4 or 5 others I can't remember off the top of my head right now). I usually do all of my web development over ssh, so I generally get a good feel for the latency of a box (as any delay will be immediately noticeable while hacking away in vim). While there are plenty of other solutions out there that offer better raw specs than linode, I've found linode to be the most consistent by far when it comes to performance. Is it a minor detail? Yea, one user with an additional 1 second on their page load out of a hundred isn't a huge deal usually, but when a consistent latency is important I've found linode to be my go-to provider.

mootothemax3• 13 years ago

You advise basing the most critical part of your business on the cheapest offering possible?

lousy_sysadmin• 13 years ago

that is one way to twist it...

pyre3• 13 years ago

So I should be registering my domain with Network Solutions for $34.99/year, right?

codexon2• 13 years ago

As someone who has tried more than 20 deals from lowendbox, the downtime and performance is completely unsuitable for anything requiring uptime. They are fine if you are using it for DNS, VPN, backup, or a blog you don't care much about.

Many of the hosts are run by kids trying to strike it rich with barely a few months worth of experience.

Here's some of the things to watch out for.

- IOwait so high that it takes several seconds for ls to run.

- Complete data loss

- Random packet loss because of all the people sharing a link or getting ddosed.

- Hosts going bankrupt when they realize that no one is going to buy them out just because they have a bunch of customers obtained with their loss leading deals.

If you have a good experience with them you probably:

- Didn't stay on the node long enough for it to get overloaded

- Are extremely lucky

- Barely use the VPS

Linode is overpriced, but the deals on lowendbox aren't a great alternative.

IgorPartola• 13 years ago

I have had a mixed bag with LEB deals. Forced me to figure out how to run my apps Ina distributed fashion, which was fun. Currently with ThrustVPS where I pay $8/month. They have been solid for about two years now. BuyVM also seems to have great reputation on LEB.

walls2• 13 years ago

> Edit: wow, thats a lot of hostility... didn't realize linode reached fandom status. I guess I should keep my opinions to myself then?

These kinds of comments have no place here, head back to Reddit.

You've been given a boat load of evidence and personal experiences that reinforce lowendbox is garbage, and yet you try to rationalize it away as 'fandom status'.

account_taken• 13 years ago

Linode is pretty darn good. I have several sites with them and I have NEVER had any down time!

I also have a few sites on RamNode and BuyVM which were voted as the better low end providers. They're anything but low end. I am getting better performance SSDs, better CPUs), more resources for 1/2 the cost of a comparable Linode VPS. No problems yet, going on three months. Their control panels leave a lot to be desired compared to Linode.

dinkumthinkum2• 13 years ago

I don't think it's about fandom and nobody should be hostile but I think it is a fair point that it is a little sketchy to run a business off some of the offers from lowendbox.com. I think Linode is a very reasonable company to work with and host a Web app; they have a good offering with good I/O performance compared to other providers.

lsc8• 13 years ago

>I never quite understood the love for premium vps like linode

This is true now (Linode is a premium vps provider) but it was not always true. Linode started out cheap, like almost everyone in our industry does. Linode was one of the first in the market; they've been selling VPSs longer even than I have.

>Its nice that they are now increasing the bandwidth cap, but it was on the low side to begin with. My takeaway from this is that "linode finally joins everyone else in network speed and bandwidth."

Eh, the way the industry works is that price pressure is applied by new entrants. Linode used to be that 'incredibly cheap provider' - but generally speaking? as you develop a reputation, you increase your resource allocations more slowly than moore's law would allow, and Linode has a pretty good reputation, so they get to charge substantially more than new entrants to the market.

So yeah, if the new entrants aren't a way better deal in terms of resources? something is terribly wrong (and that new entrant probably won't gain the traction they need to survive long enough to be able to let their prices rise to a higher margin level)

I mean, personally, I would think I have been letting my own prices rise (comparatively, I mean, by not increasing resource allocation) more than my reputation would allow me to... but I'm still gaining customers (though not at an awesome rate) - Linode announcing a network upgrade is putting /incredible/ pressure on me to upgrade my network. I can be okay with a new entrant flying below me, but Linode has a better reputation than I do; I have to provide more resources per dollar than they do.

Now, the big counterexample here is slicehost. Slicehost started out fairly expensive (compared to the industry standard at the time) and they went from zero to twenty thousand customers in like two years. It was incredible. I don't know exactly what they did, but they had a reputation for providing managed hosting level service for (premium) unmanaged hosting prices.

Now, how much of that reputation was marketing, and how much of that reputation was that their support really was that good, I don't know, but I do know that was their reputation.

jnw211• 13 years ago

Is linode announcing their own netblocks under their own ASN, though? My impression has been that you have more diversity of immediate upstreams than linode...

antihero• 13 years ago

The way I see it, if your business cannot take 512MB of RAM and a bunch of storage space, and fails to convert it into 20$ a month, or any amount where $20 a month is actually a factor, you have a shitty business.

dharma1• 13 years ago

The thing with low end boxes are that you never know how long they're going to stay in business for, or whether your data is going to be safe

With Linode I can at least sleep in peace, even if it costs a bit more

coldtea2• 13 years ago

>Edit: wow, thats a lot of hostility... didn't realize linode reached fandom status. I guess I should keep my opinions to myself then?

Sometimes, yes. In this particular case you were comparing apples to oranges.

Take for example your opening line: "I never quite understood the love for premium vps like linode".

The statement is absurd -- even if one includes the part about low cost VPS being faster.

The idea behind "premium VPS" (or premium whatever) has to do with support, reliability, them being around a while, etc.

Some cheaper VPS offering "more bandwidth" or "faster cpus" is not the same thing at all.

Now, if you had said "there are cheaper VPS just as reliable and with good support as Linode, and on top of it, faster also, so why _pay_ a premium", that would make sense. If you could also support it.

But a statement like: "I don't understand premium X" in general?

nodesocket• 13 years ago

Linode hands down is the best VPS company. I fully expect SSD drives to be available in Nextgen as well, looking forward to it.

DigitalJack• 13 years ago

DigitalOcean has been working well for me. They have SSD, but only single core.

bjxrn• 13 years ago

Looks like they have up to 4 cores in their standard plans, and up to 24 on their larger plans, all SSD: https://www.digitalocean.com/pricing

Expez• 13 years ago

I have recently been thinking about moving to digitalocean, because they look like excellent value. I haven't made the move yet because of inertia, and Linode's customer service which is just mind-blowingly good. I suspect that in a couple of days I won't be able to spot a single patch of greener grass on the other side of the proverbial fence.

xur17• 13 years ago

I really wish DigitalOcean provided more then one core on their plans with < 2gb of memory. Despite that, I am probably going to move to the 512mb plan in the next year or so (once I get around to it). The backup feature is enough incentive alone.

Matsta2• 13 years ago

Meh DigitalOcean is oversold. Each box has 128gb ram, so you are probably going to be on a server with 100+ other VPS's.

Lots of people have been complaining about network speeds recently:

http://www.lowendtalk.com/discussion/8339/very-bad-performan...

josephb4• 13 years ago

I wish Digital Ocean supported IPv6.

gingerlime2• 13 years ago

Linode is definitely one of the best VPS providers. They don't market it as 'fanatical', but their support is simply incredible. I like AWS too, but the lack of support (unless you pay loads) keeps me with Linode.

Nextgen sounds cool. Extra bandwidth is great. I also hope they add more RAM and provide some kind of a storage pool to store images/snapshots/virtual-disks between different linodes (similar to cloudfiles or EBS).

gmac• 13 years ago

Completely agree. Cost of RAM (as disk cache for Postgres) is the one thing that's made me wonder about leaving Linode lately. They're otherwise utterly great.

buro9• 13 years ago

Cost of RAM, and the lack of SSD options.

zaius3• 13 years ago

Their support is quick, but they only solve the problem if it's easy.

My linode IP ended up on an email block list because of someone else on the subnet. I was on vacation so I wanted a quick solution and I asked for an extra IP for a week. They wouldn't do for any amount of money. I had to set up an extra server and redirect connections instead.

gingerlime2• 13 years ago

I can't comment on your particular case, but it sounds odd that they didn't help out. Certainly not my experience with their support so far (and I've been with Linode for probably 4 or 5 years now and used their support on many occasions)

However, it's so easy to fire-up another linode, shut down the host, move the disk image to the new linode, assign it and turn it on. You get a new IP, and can get rid of the old one. And all this via their web interface and with no need for support...

beachstartup3• 13 years ago

this is because when an IP is blacklisted it's generally done in a contiguous block (subnet) that are probably shared by hosts on the same virtual lan (vlan). this is to prevent mailers from jumping to another ip on the same subnet.

trunking an additional vlan into their virtual pool just for you would have constituted a major production change in probably 2 or 3 core switch layers.

the operational risk and expenditure for this kind of change easily goes into the thousands of dollars, possibly tens of thousands if they screw something up.

what exactly is "any amount of money" to you? because to them and other service providers, it means tens of thousands of dollars, not another 50 bucks.

ForFreedom3• 13 years ago

What about Rackspace Cloud?

johnward2• 13 years ago

Managed cloud at rackspace starts at $100 plus usage charges. Seems a bit high.

ForFreedom3• 13 years ago

If managed, but unmanaged starts at $16.xx for 512MB and outbound traffic is at 0.12/GB I think

shimon_e2• 13 years ago

Find this interesting? OVH is already upgrading routers to 100gbps and 500gbps versions.

http://www.infinera.com/j7/servlet/NewsItem?newsItemID=336

stfp• 13 years ago

OVH is super impressive. I really hope they manage to get better brand recognition in these parts.

corry• 13 years ago

+1 for OVH. Beastly machines at great prices, data centers in Canada / Europe (for people who can't store stuff in the US cloud), pretty good support.

giulianob• 13 years ago

Their servers seem extremely cheap. Are you basically getting what you pay for with their service or do they have solid uptime and solid support?

dangrossman3• 13 years ago

The cheap 'servers' aren't servers -- they're desktop parts in a rack. Desktop hardware fails more often, and non-ECC RAM will experience multiple bit flips per year on average. That's fine for a dev/staging server, but not a good thing on a production server with paying customers.

nemesisj• 13 years ago

We run our company using Linode as one of our primary providers. We're very, very happy with their uptimes, control panel, and particularly their support. It's a testament to their professionalism that they've been going about these pretty major changes without experiencing any downtime. I'd highly recommend them.

pw7• 13 years ago

Great to hear that, I switched from heroku to linode a couple of days ago and couldn't be happier. I haven't had to contact the support yet because the documentation is so excellent.

jpdoctor• 13 years ago

They talk about interconnectivity bandwidth, but not the pipes going out to the backbone or peering. Anyone know?

andyl• 13 years ago

I've had a system on Linode for the past two years. Zero problems, zero downtime. My experience with Linode has been very consistent and reliable.

Skywing• 13 years ago

My Linode accounts on their Dallas data center have gone through quite a bit of downtime over the years. Their support is why I've stuck with them, though.

azurelogic2• 13 years ago

The irony is that, in spite of these upgrades, my first attempt to load the blog post timed out, and the second attempt was not speedy (or should I say SPDY?)

rschmitty• 13 years ago

I also had a time out. Perhaps they host their blog on some external service

azurelogic2• 13 years ago

Probably an AWS micro instance

mrb• 13 years ago

I have a hard time trusting Linode after the major March 2012 security incident where an attacker compromised an internal system that let him gain access to any Linode Manager accounts: http://status.linode.com/2012/03/manager-security-incident.h... and basically had access to all customers servers!

I have a hard time trusting them because they specifically gave very little information. I would have expected a followup with a better response, like Google or Facebook do when they get compromised: "the attacker used exploit X on this developer's workstation, therefore we are doing Y to prevent this from happening again".

They can work on increasing performance all they want, but if I do not have basic trust in the security of their infrastructure, this does not matter. I expect top-notch security especially from a "premium" VPS provider!

seany• 13 years ago

This type of thing is my primary complaint about linode. Their transparency on things that make them look even slightly bad is basically non existent.

api• 13 years ago

2TB is good... their old bandwidth was paltry.

Everyone chant with me: price war! price war! price war!

sideproject• 13 years ago

Woo Hoo! I really don't understand much about what you guys are doing, but well, I'm a happy linode customer, so whatever it is that you are doing to make things faster, better, bring it on!

agwa2• 13 years ago

Does anyone know if Linode has investors? I've never been able to find mention of any, and the fact that they've been in this for the long haul (since 2003) and are now expanding after seeing massive growth in the last two years[1] makes me think they're bootstrapped. If that's true it would be seriously awesome. They were started by a single founder too!

[1] http://blog.linode.com/2012/08/28/linode-makes-2012-inc-500-...

iframe• 13 years ago

What is the cost of a Cisco Nexus 7000 Router and Switch?

amckenna• 13 years ago

$83,490 but the price rises dramatically if they filled all of the expansion slots.

http://www.ctistore.com/catalog/cat/prod,574258.html?gclid=C...

http://www.cdw.com/shop/products/Cisco-Nexus-7000-Series-32-...

ejreynolds• 13 years ago

MSRP is (super roughly) $40-80k depending on how it is tricked out (choice of modules, etc).

Matsta2• 13 years ago

Instead of getting a $20 VPS, why doesn't anyone consider a full dedicated for $12?

http://www.ovh.ie/dedicated_servers/kimsufi.xml

I realise that people have mixed feelings about OVH, but I've yet to have a problem and 100% uptime. Plus I can max out 100 mbps on the server pretty easily.

Another 2 providers that probably have a better reputation than Linode are BuyVM and RamNode: http://buyvm.net/ http://ramnode.com/

A 512mb is less than half price there and they use SSD's.

But the main thing I'm seeing now for commercial sites, is why don't you use Jekyll and host your site on a CDN like Cloud Files or CloudFront? I'm suprised how cheap it is now to use a full on CDN to host your site. While it's not for everyone, most business sites are just a landing page and a wordpress blog, which would be much more resource efficient if it was hosted on a CDN, plus your pretty much guaranteed 100% uptime.

So for under $20 you can get a SSD VPS and your site hosted on Akamai's CDN or just a $20 box from Linode :/

t0mislav3• 13 years ago

I have Linode VPS for 3.5 yeras now, no problems at all.

t0mislav3• 13 years ago

Now we are waiting part 2 and 3 of Linode Nextgen. (I think one part will be storage)

t0mislav3• 13 years ago

I made little benchmark, Linode vs Digital Ocean http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5221477

tshtf• 13 years ago

For those with high bandwidth needs this would really make sense. The cheapest package has 2TB of egress bandwidth; this would cost $228 (0.12 x 1900GB) with AWS EC2.

windexh8er• 13 years ago

I'm actually most unimpressed with the vendor selection. So now Linode has Cisco overhead in their premium tier of hardware. Not good from a costing perspective. The Cisco Nexus line is hardly next generation when it comes to R&S product.

Linode is in a position to seriously consider SDN and they shoot themselves in the foot with one of the most stagnant companies as it applies to new and innovative product for pushing packets. I'd have been far more impressed with Juniper in the hot seat here. At least they're more cost competitive. You can get a full non-blocking 10Gb L3 switch (480Gb backplane) for less than $20k fully loaded up with 10Gb SRs out of their EX line if you're looking to play it safe in 'standard' networking.

The good part about software is there's far less vendor bias. This just smells of a Cisco blowhard touting the wonders of a fully vendor locked network. And software people seem to be less informed of the reality that is how the current norm of the networking realm works.

Good luck to them. I've put in plenty of ASR and Nexus gear in the past few years. They'll need it.

dangrossman3• 13 years ago

Were they wrong when they said the Cisco product was the only one that could handle their routing requirements?

wmf• 13 years ago

Yes. There are plenty of large data centers that are non-Cisco and I'm not aware of any performance requirement that can only be met by Cisco.

caf• 13 years ago

I can see how you read it that way, but that's not what they said. They said that the Cisco Nexus 7000 is the only Cisco device that could handle their routing requirements.

onetimecomment2• 13 years ago

you're assuming they weren't already a cisco network before the announcement, which would disassemble your entire comment

silasb• 13 years ago

I wish I could find cheaper Juniper gear on ebay to help study. What hardware is currently there is 10x more expensive than what Cisco has. :(

404error• 13 years ago

As a new customer who has had nothing but a great experience so far, thank you.

alexkus• 13 years ago

900% increase.

zupa-hu• 13 years ago

I wished it was not only bugging me

vertis• 13 years ago

Wahey! I love good news. I'm still running a bunch of linodes for free off the credit I won for http://faxitforme.com in Rails Rumble 2012

jacques_chester• 13 years ago

Once I moved out of the Fremont DC, I was very happy with Linode.

But I have sites that choke on quite modest I/O. I waited for Linode to install SSDs, then waited, and waited more. Last week I gave up and moved to DigitalOcean.

bfrog• 13 years ago

Been using linode for 3 years now for a little instance to do basic stuff on. Its only ever been down once for a move to a new, faster, host. Even that they gave significant notice for and plenty of time for me to move it (I chose when to move it).

Void_• 13 years ago

If you went from 200GB to 2000GB, you increased 200GB 10 times, you increased it by 1800GB, you increased it by 900%, not 1000%. Just sayin'.

johnpowell• 13 years ago

I love Linode but the paltry RAM got me to move to someone else that I have been happy with for the last month. The customer service was great but the specs were bad. If they double the RAM for the same price I would move back in a heartbeat.

Hopefully Nextgen v.2 adds RAM for the same price.

karolist• 13 years ago

I have been Linode customer since sometime 2008 I think till last month, when I fully migrated to Digital Ocean to two, individually better instances for half the price than my one box at Linode.

I was running Gentoo at London DC without any issues, my major gripes with Linode was how hard was it to get additional IPv4 addresses without lying about your reasons - i.e running services on different IP addresses or separating your business/personal websites (and very easy if you lied, I know someone who did). Another thing was that I paid them by a virtual CC and always put there just enough money for transaction every month, it's dedicated for internet pay only and prevents cc fraud, but every now and then they'd get the card declined at the beginning of the month cause I didn't put the money in yet, like 2nd or 3rd day and always always there was this template threatening ticket put in by a person in my account. I was paying them every month for years, so what if I have outstanding balance on the 2nd or 3rd, is that the reason to threat deleting my stuff? That felt really alienating.

Digital Ocean, while don't hand out IP addresses at all, costs so little that it's $1 + damn good reason at Linode or $5 and a VPS on top for the IP at DO.

The support at DO is nor fast, nor technical, I had issues with my Gentoo builds basically where after reboot /dev/null would come up being a text file with junk in it, you can mknod it but it wouldn't survive reboot. I've raised a ticket and they've removed Gentoo from selection, but I doubt it's fixed and and I'll have to work some ugly hacks to work around this if it happens again.

They use a kernel loaded from below, so you won't really have latest and greatest Arch if you use that, kernel upgrades are in pkg ignore list and even if upgraded it won't load.

I might return to Linode sometime in the future if DO messes up my Gentoos again and Linode does better at matching DO's offer.

At the moment, if you don't need to scale a lot (it's not as convenient at Linode, $20 vs $5 starts to hurt as the number of boxes go up, also Linode doesn't bill you by the our) and just want a personal server for your website I'd still go with Linode, especially after increased transfer quotas.

welcomen• 13 years ago

Someone in the world are always unsatisfied for everything, yes, everything, no matter what you changed, no matter what you improved, they always always can point something out there to complain about. Example!? Right here!

Linode Nextgen: The Network

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