Roblox Officially Supports GrapheneOS

https://en.help.roblox.com/hc/en-us/articles/49648939984916-Android-Remote-Attestation

by Cider9986 • 1 day ago

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jkahrs5952• 1 day ago

Seems ridiculous, but when their biggest rival can’t be bothered to support Linux… you see why they might announce something like this.

unleaded• 1 day ago

Who's their biggest rival? Roblox doesn't support Linux either.

vablings5• 1 day ago

They don't officially support Linux, but they allow the community to continue playing using Sober. Honestly it's probably better that way

Throudin• 1 day ago

I'd assume Fortnite Creative

jkahrs5952• 1 day ago

Let me rephrase, it doesn’t actively oppose Linux like Fortnite does. Roblox absolutely can run on Linux, even though it’s not officially supported.

haunter• 23 hours ago

Fortnite

x3cca• 15 hours ago

They're 60% of the North American game's industry revenue growth. Their rival is negative stock market sentiment. They need to pull out all the stops to prove growth.

a21282• 23 hours ago

Roblox has a long history of not supporting Linux, and the game was rendered unplayable for many years. In 2022 it became possible following some Wine patches, but then they began to implement a kernel-level anticheat. Roblox initially committed to keeping Wine working but suddenly went back on that and blocked it without notice. Today, the last remaining way is through running the Android version of the game through an Android container or emulator. The TFA is about stopping this exact method of running the game though...

nekitamo• 16 hours ago

This isn't true. Roblox never had and does not have a kernel anti-cheat.

charcircuit• 15 hours ago

The TFA explains that it is up to game to decide if they want to use attestation.

jordand• 1 day ago

Makes sense for them to support this given their scale. I wouldn't be surprised if GrapheneOS secures another big Android OEM vendor (after Motorola Mobility) and the user base of the OS quickly grows from its current 400k+ to millions.

UqWBcuFx6NV4r• 22 hours ago

Yep, any day now, it’ll be the year of the GrapheneOS mobile phone. /s

As delusional as ever.

copper-float• 22 hours ago

Why are you being so aggressive?

el_io• 19 hours ago

Pathetic.

Cider99864• 19 hours ago

They've doubled their users in 2 years

annzabelle4• 22 hours ago

I've been looking into GrapheneOS as a longtime Pixel user who is thinking of becoming a bit more security conscious. But, looking around at its current state RE: RCS and camera apps, I think it makes the most sense to stick with stock Android.

I also have a really niche feature I rely on daily (letting me "wifi call" from one sim over the data line of the other sim), and it's really hard to tell if GrapheneOS supports it.

If I can grab my old pixel that's stored in a box at my parents' house on another continent I might give it a try, but GrapheneOS really doesn't seem ready to be a daily driver.

malmeloo• 22 hours ago

What's the issue with RCS and camera apps? RCS works (from what i've heard) and you get the same image quality as on stock if you install the pixel camera app.

Not sure about that other feature you mentioned, but you can always revert back to stock if you don't like GOS. Restoring a backup is easier than it's ever been nowadays :-).

TranquilMarmot• 15 hours ago

I did have RCS issues with GrapheneOS (on T-Mobile in the US) for a while, but at some point that was fixed and it works flawlessly now.

As for camera apps, the stock GrapheneOS camera app is a bit clunky, I just download the stock Android "Camera" off of the Play Store...

_blk• 6 hours ago

Been using GrapheneOS as daily driver for 4 years on three pixels. Problems only start when banking apps start actively sabotaging it by pretending the phone is rooted etc. Normal apps work normally and you get way more control over them. I'll never go back to stock or worse than stock (Samsung) as long as GrapheneOS is around even if they get rid of all security aspects (which of course they won't, I'm just saying security is not the only selling point, de-googling is a big one too.. I didn't de-google but I sure like having the option)

ThePowerOfFuet• 3 hours ago

GrapheneOS really doesn't seem ready to be a daily driver.

As someone who has used it exclusively as their mobile OS for three years, it is absolutely ready. Does that mean it's perfect or bug-free? No, but nothing is.

Topfi• 15 hours ago

after Motorola Mobility

Does anyone know anymore on that front? For months, I've regularly looked up whether there were any news, only to find nothing besides the original announcement. No ETA, no upcoming devices to be supported, heck, on the Graphene side, their own webpages make nary a mention. Would buy a Razr 70 Ultra + Clicks the second that is confirmed, but for something that was so publicly announced months ago, this seems very shaky...

Kudos• 15 hours ago

I don't think we'll see it before CES in January.

kotaKat• 8 hours ago

They're too busy pushing malware on the rest of their lineup in system updates left, right, and center.

silently re-enables com.glance.lockscreenM one more time on you...

realusername4• 15 hours ago

If it become to big, it will go the same way as CyanogenMod, Google will send some people to pressure the manufacturers to drop them off

Cider99864• 8 hours ago

Google is the only one supporting them currently.

subscribed• 1 day ago

Great news! I never had problems running Roblox on my GOS, but it's nice to to see the explicit, official support.

Snowball effect (for both sides, software publishers and OS vendors).

dugite-code2• 21 hours ago

This is a really interesting signal tbh.

While it sounds like it already works on GrapheneOS having a corporation come out and say they won't go out of their way to break it is quite unusual.

andrewaylett• 10 hours ago

It requires a positive action from the application developer to include GrapheneOS's keys as well as Google's keys. So this is a deliberate positive step, rather than a default.

dugite-code2• 7 hours ago

Only if they are using hardware key attestation. From what I've read elsewhere it looks like it was never broken so maybe they never went that far before.

650REDHAIR• 20 hours ago

I guess that makes sense given the type of adults that prowl on Roblox.

Cider99864• 18 hours ago

It's Roblox's responsibility to police their platform and the vast majority of bad actors use mainstream operating systems and mainstream services like Discord or Telegram. Clearly lack of privacy does not prevent crime as we can see on Telegram and Discord which are both not E2EE and yet have far more crime taking place then on encrypted alternatives.

matheusmoreira• 20 hours ago

That's excellent news!! Hope to see more of this!!

AppAttestationz• 17 hours ago

Truth be told, GrapheneOS is the only third party ROM that bothers to make app attestation work.

Cider99864• 16 hours ago

It's not a ROM it's an OS.

Moomoomoo309• 14 hours ago

ROM is to android what distro is to Linux. The term is used correctly here. An android ROM could refer to the stock OS, GrapheneOS, LineageOS, Pixel Experience, etc.

realusername4• 15 hours ago

All the third party roms I know offer sign builds and remote attestation, GrapheneOS isn't special here, it's just that usually app developers just ignore the signatures

inigyou• 10 hours ago

Good for all of them. Attestation is a terrible infringement of rights, and both Graphene's approach (trying to make it a more open ecosystem) and the other one (refusing to participate/trying to destroy the ecosystem) are viable responses to it.

snvzz• 16 hours ago

However, if on LineageOS, which mind you is the only way to get updated (and thus safer) android versions in many devices, they simply block you.

Awful.

realusername4• 15 hours ago

The announcement is very funny in that regard, devices with last update in 2023 like the Galaxy S10 are still ok despite having every root exploit under the sun available but god forbid you want to update it to the last version

preisschild3• 10 hours ago

LineageOS has no AVB support at all unfortunately and most devices don't allow using verified boot with custom keys anyways. With GrapheneOS they can just add GrapheneOS public keys (https://grapheneos.org/attestation.json).

For LOS Roblox would have to disable hardware attestation completely, which means you can easily just add extra modules such as a setuid binary which makes cheating easy (at least on the client side, you'd have to rely completely on server side anti cheating)

https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm

khalic• 15 hours ago

Please don’t let your kids on this platform…

sinuhe69• 14 hours ago

“You have reached your limits on help.roblox.com”

That is the first time I see something like that!

m132• 8 hours ago

Don't get too excited, this still goes against the basic freedom to own the devices you've paid for.

Remote attestation is still there and only official builds of GrapheneOS are supported. While this is marginally better than being tied to a build from an advertising company, you're still out of luck if you want to build the OS yourself.

ticulatedspline• 4 hours ago

"Support" seems a bit strong here. the statment has more of a "known to work with" than a whole lot of direct support effort, also you have to have a locked bootloader, here's the relevant statement.

For power-users: Are all third-party ROMs blocked?

No. We currently support GrapheneOS when the bootloader is locked. We may support other third-party ROMs if:

    They do not break the AOSP security model,
    They support installation with a locked bootloader,
    They properly configure and publish self-signed verified boot keys for their ROM, and
    They promptly update to the latest AOSP patch level. We frequently update minimum operating system security requirements.

If ROMs do not consistently adhere to the standards above, we will remove them from the set of supported verified boot keys

tripleee• 3 hours ago

support?

I'm yet to come across an Android app I can't run on GrapheneOS.. what exactly are they doing?

spaaaaaaaaaaace• 3 hours ago

i don't think kids should be playing roblox to be honest...

Roblox Officially Supports GrapheneOS

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