Gemini Omni

https://deepmind.google/models/gemini-omni/

by meetpateltech • 2 months ago

323 139 2 months ago

I think Hollywood is in for a rough era. The disruption is happening at break neck speeds.

At the moment the duration of each shot is a major limitation. When that limitation gets solved is when we'll see actual disruption.

boredhedgehog• 2 months ago

Average shot length is down to something like 3 seconds in modern cinema. That's a pretty low bar.

franze2• 2 months ago

At one point the only way to know if something is real or by a major US tech company is nudity.

andrewstuart3• 2 months ago

Hollywood is already in a rough era but it’s because they can’t create original human stories any more.

This tech won’t change anything.

mrandish5• 2 months ago

Yeah, during most blockbuster movies lately all I can think is: "All pixels, no plot."

wcxcv2• 2 months ago

Theres a Steve Jobs quote about this

mackeye4• 2 months ago

you would watch a movie generated with the sterility of an LLM?

yojo• 2 months ago

Me? No. My kids? I think they already have. I don’t allow YouTube in our house, but they for sure watch slop with friends.

garciasn• 2 months ago

Sure; why not? It has to be better than some of the absolute garbage that's out on the various streaming services today; right?

nomel2• 2 months ago

AI is already in a bunch of creative workflows. Just look at modern Photoshop. Selecting and hitting delete has AI infill for the background replacement.

Creates can these video gen AI in various ways. There are some youtube channels of people using these in creative workflows that are really impressive, from mocap replacement, character insertion, background replacement, changing camera angle in post, animating/inserting characters from character boards, animated between stills generated in traditional methods, etc. It's not just "prompt and generate". It can be, because it's easy, but it also doesn't have to be. It's a tool.

raincole3• 2 months ago

I think Hollywood's obsession with unnecessary sex scenes[0] is the #1 reason I have been watching less and less movies. So yeah, probably.

[0] e.g. Don't Look Up

senko2• 2 months ago

Have you seen the past dozen or so Marvel movies?

drusepth• 2 months ago

Weirdly phrased, but yes, I would watch a movie generated with an LLM by a person passionate about the movie they're creating.

breppp• 2 months ago

I am for decades watching movies generated with the sterility of CGI

jarjoura3• 2 months ago

Hollywood is using this tech already. Storyboarding and previs work has already fully become driven by AI tools.

meetpateltech• 2 months ago

blog post: https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/models-and-research/ge...

model card: https://deepmind.google/models/model-cards/gemini-omni-flash...

franze2• 2 months ago

I can create more videos as soon as your limit resets. Check your usage in Settings

I did not create any videos yet.

Google, building great AI that nobody can try out.

But thx for the press release.

andrewstuart3• 2 months ago

Google often does this - they show it off and forget to give it to you.

tristanb• 2 months ago

Me too - awesome job.

throw03172019• 2 months ago

Browser crashes while scrolling because of all the auto playing videos. Please use IntersectionObserver to pause the video when not in display.

nicce• 2 months ago

Sounds like someone would use LLM to make it and no single human has reviewed

SoKamil• 2 months ago

Safari?

Foomf• 2 months ago

It keeps crashing my browser as well. I'm on Microsoft Edge.

zarzavat• 2 months ago

Same in Mobile Safari.

fuzzy2• 2 months ago

On my iPad Pro from 2017, none of the videos even play. Not sure what's better!

SyneRyder• 2 months ago

Not to negate your experience, but seems fine on Firefox 150 on my Windows ThinkPad X1.

dsign• 2 months ago

So it's really good, and we have reason to believe, never again, anything that happens in a video. Unless there's a super-product somewhere to authenticate footage?

svieira2• 2 months ago

Now that they've broken the ability to trust video, they're looking to build it back, as long as you're allowed to use the tools:

https://blog.google/innovation-and-ai/products/identifying-a...

(and the previous SynthID: https://deepmind.google/blog/identifying-ai-generated-images...)

But it very much is "close the barn door after the horse has bolted and the barn has otherwise burned down".

spogbiper• 2 months ago

It seems like this super-product will have to be a thing soon or we will have to just stop using video evidence in court and other critical applications

adenta2• 2 months ago

At first usage I'm not impressed. I've probably spent a couple grand on Seedance 2 to date, and I can't find anything google omni flash does better than Seedance from running a handful of samples through the system. You can find some of the videos I've made in my HN bio link.

kamranjon• 2 months ago

Just curious - are you at all concerned about the legal implications of ai-generating property listing videos?

layer82• 2 months ago

The legal risk probably lies solely with those who are selling the properties. They are responsible if the video misrepresents anything.

red2awn• 2 months ago

I have exactly the same thought. Anyone who had used seedance 2.0 a bit can tell Gemini is a bit behind, and seedance 2.1 is on the horizontal already.

CommanderData2• 2 months ago

Seedance 2 is amazing, compared with anything else American tech is producing. It does struggle with consistency like all other models.

The other problem is Seedance is heavily censored because of copyright concerns.

dotancohen2• 2 months ago

  > The other problem is Seedance is heavily censored because of copyright concerns.

Instead of censoring, wouldn't it make sense to simply not train on copyrighted materials?

andrewstuart3• 2 months ago

Who is creative enough to drive this in any meaningful way?

Certainly not me - you have to be a great artist /designer to even imagine what to do with it.

mrandish5• 2 months ago

Back in 90s during the first wave of the desktop video revolution when desktop editing became possible and consumer camcorders got pretty good, there was a popular marketing slogan: "Now your imagination is the only limit."

I used to joke that was the moment we discovered "for most people that's a pretty big limit."

enragedcacti• 2 months ago

Prompt: Make it look like the weird shape of my hand hole super zooms and magnifies the ground it's looking at in sharper quality.

There's got to be a reason this is phrased so insanely, right?

layer82• 2 months ago

Image-search for “hand hole” at your own peril.

bar94• 2 months ago

Even weirder:

Prompt: A skeuomorphism stop motion explainer about how the brain hippocampus works with a compelling voiceover. Don’t add seahorses. No voice cuts at the end. Don’t add text

Seahorses???

gfaure• 2 months ago

The genus of the seahorse is _Hippocampus_.

FrostKiwi• 2 months ago

The goblins evolved it seems

nightpool• 2 months ago

Yes, if you watch the video closely you can see that the "lensing" effect only really covers a circular area—this prompt probably went through multiple iterations where the author was trying to improve it so that the shape of the hand was reflected more closely.

raincole3• 2 months ago

At the bottom there is a "Try in Youtube Shorts" button.

Oh god...

kordlessagain• 2 months ago

Pure artificial stupidity: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRJH7HKuD2Y

darksim905• 2 months ago

your videos and links re: nuts services are very cool. Is that something you're working on with others? What's the best way to keep on top of that?

kenjackson2• 2 months ago

I'm an AI optimist. But AI video is probably the one thing that does depress me. Seeing that we can make anything visually, there's nothing that impresses me visually. I watch a video that two years ago I would've thought was really cool, and now my first thought is, "Yawn, is this AI?".

Video, more than anything else, is the place where I really care if something is AI or not. If I could get a TikTok that had no AI usage -- I'd be in. Which is weird for me, because I'm typically the guy who is all-in on AI.

raincole3• 2 months ago

It ruined the whole category of "cute animals acting goofy" content for sure.

slfnflctd• 2 months ago

Yeah, I'm kinda sad about that one. Most of my friends and family are aware many of these are fake now, but argue that it still invokes the same response in us so it's okay. For me, though, however intangible or irrational it may be, I do feel a sense of loss.

Funny enough, this is actually one of the few things which has bothered me with the AI boom, and I'm mostly pro-acceleration. A lot of what's happening seems inevitable. But surprisingly, knowing that cat or dog or bird or lizard or butterfly or whatever has a strong chance of being generated really does take something out of it to my mind. And I say that also knowing the extreme amount of staging which has long gone on with traditional nature videography. Somehow, knowing the animal is real means something... I'm still trying to figure out how to better understand and express this.

sleno• 2 months ago

It's not all bad: https://www.tiktok.com/@openchub/video/7641631412407274782

criddell5• 2 months ago

I tried to watch it, but TikTok kept throwing up a dialog over top asking me to slide a puzzle piece into place. I did three or four before just closing it.

impulser_• 2 months ago

I think the opposite. It allows more people to be creative. Similar to how the DAW allowed more people to become musicians. You can produce a hit song with just a laptop now.

Now you can have people producing videos without needing a crew of people.

LetsGetTechnicl• 2 months ago

You never needed a crew of people to make videos. This is just outsourcing people's creativity.

criddell5• 2 months ago

The potential for harm is so much greater with video than creating an mp3. You can stoke hate and fear so easily.

jplusequalt2• 2 months ago

I think the opposite. It allows more people to be creative.

Why are you assuming that a majority of people don't already have the means to make videos? Many people have access to a phone, laptop, and stable internet connection. What else do they really need? What's stopping them from using their phones to shoot home movies, making animations with MS Paint, recording themselves talking about a subject they're genuinely interested in, etc.?

Now you can have people producing videos without needing a crew of people.

This is conflating production values with creativity. Mr. Beast's videos cost millions of dollars to film and produce, yet they're creatively bankrupt.

criddell5• 2 months ago

For a few weeks, YouTube thought I wanted to see videos of package thieves being surprised by a booby-trapped box that was actually a glitter bomb. Video after video were these AI created shorts of supposed doorbell camera footage showing a thief running away with a box that explodes into a giant pink cloud.

I eventually picked one and opened the comments and the top comment was something like "This is obviously an AI video. Who watches this?" and the reply was along the lines of "me because I like seeing thieves get what's coming to them".

So you, like me, aren't interested in AI videos but I think there's a lot of people who don't care if it's real or not.

Thankfully, YouTube eventually stopped showing those to me. Now it thinks I'm interested in road rage videos. My YouTube feed outside of the three of four channels I've subscribed to is terrible.

r_lee• 2 months ago

and the reply was along the lines of "me because I like seeing thieves get what's coming to them".

I really wish a subject matter expert would pitch in to tell us what this is about?

like a totally made up thing that is fake, somehow gives a sense of justice and satisfaction?

is it something about imagining it happening in reality, or what?

for me, if I see that something is AI, it's like I just feel nothing. because there's nothing in it, it has nothing of real value? like it doesn't evoke anything in me, it doesn't make me think "this was a great find!" or make me want to send a link over to my friends, etc.

nowittyusername2• 2 months ago

You get back as much as you put in. Just like with all generative tools the quality of the output depends on the quality of input. Slapping a prompt together will only get you so far, if you want the models to generate something really striking and unique you need to get your hands dirty. Gotta break out ComfyUI and build yourself a specific workflow, once you dig deep and understand how things are put together, why and so on, you can make really amazing stuff with any generative models. But you have to pay for that experience in patience and knowledge.

jplusequalt2• 2 months ago

Gotta break out ComfyUI and build yourself a specific workflow, once you dig deep and understand how things are put together, why and so on, you can make really amazing stuff with any generative models.

Where is this amazing stuff? Social media is a marketplace of ideas supposedly, so why haven't we seen a new wave of creators rise up in popularity?

senrex• 2 months ago

I think it is like around 2010 or so I use to upload just this god awful music to early Sound Cloud because it was easy to make music with a DAW.

I even remember being on a psytrance production music mailing list 25 years ago and 95% of the tracks people posted were absolutely terrible, including myself.

I have seen a few incredible pieces from AI video but most has just not been that interesting. Then even the incredible pieces are 5 second one offs. No narrative, no continuity. I think of a random, real 5 second clip from Clockwork Orange with no backstory or context in the movie, who cares? Even the most visually interesting scenes wouldn't make sense and would be boring.

Right now it seems like we are at the stage of sampling random 5 second clips from early sound cloud and concluding this is the artistic utility of an entire new technology like DAW software and VST synths. That is obviously absurd.

manas967• 2 months ago

In my day job I program rigid body behaviour in real time amongst other simulations. I think rigid body contact is hard to learn as it is inherently discontinuous.. something you discover when trying to code a solver.

As such I always use this prompt as a test: "A video of a jenga brick tower falling over as a brick is removed. The physics of each brick must be realistic."

It gave me a video of where bricks suddenly disapper or morph into others[1]. The linked video is after 2-3 iterations of me insisting on realistic physics. If you are just glancing at this, you would believe it is realistic.

That said this is still very impressive and one more step towards .. IDK what. But I am a bit reasurred that at least my job won't be fully replaced with AI :)

[1] https://streamable.com/2em1r3

nine_k• 2 months ago

Such videos are essentially dreams: how it feels that the planks should move, not what equations of rigid body physics would compute. And the feeling is realistic (even if overly dramatic in the end). If "stylistic transfer" works for static pictures spread out in space, why won't it work for the character of motion spread out in time?

darkwater• 2 months ago

I wonder what's the training data that makes it generate the final "explosion"...

jddj• 2 months ago

A little too much Michael Bay

badsectoracula• 2 months ago

The physics engine glitching is very realistic :-P

Unai• 2 months ago

Interestingly, the video on the announcement also starts with some papers and a toy car on a wooden table exploding like those jenga pieces.

E-Reverance2• 2 months ago

But I am a bit reasurred that at least my job won't be fully replaced with AI :)

I honestly can't comment with certainty that training from videos alone and whatever tokenization scheme they're using will ever get perfect dynamics.

However it is worth noting that transformers can do a pretty good job at learning dynamics with the right pipeline (not video): https://arxiv.org/pdf/2605.15305 https://arxiv.org/pdf/2605.09196

My point here being that representationally, it might be possible to learn good dynamics without a radically different approach/arch. There are already models that extract 3D tracking points from videos, so they could possibly be leveraged for learning dynamics (which on its own gives precedent for end-to-end approaches also possibly working).

manas967• 2 months ago

Thanks for the additional reading. I've often thought about LLMs and their ability to represent the physical world with its laws. And always concluded it is not really possible to do so with "just" text tokens and their relations in a latent space. It looks to me there are different approaches being taken to tackle this:

* You could instruct your LLM to interact with a simulator to run experiments and infer behaviour

* You could edit the transformer model and inject spatially relevant data rather than text as is done in above paper

* You could change the architecture to be more condusive for representating a world state. I.e., LeCun's JEPA world model.

* You could further enhance some of the above by using a differentiable physics engine (eg. NVIDIA Newton) to calculate losses directly.

But at the end of the day if a model has any hope to always produce realistic physics, it HAS to learn the laws of nature in some form or other. It looks to me that the next big leap could be achieved by combining the last two approaches.

P.S.: I like discussing such topics. If anyone knows a forum or discord with like-minded people, please let me know :)

christoff123• 2 months ago

thanks for intro to streamable

staindk• 2 months ago

In my experience (from a couple of years ago), Streamable can be great but it's just worth checking what their current retention policy is like.

We were sharing game clips with each other and after a while realised our old clips were just gone, being deleted after 30 or 90 days or something.

manas967• 2 months ago

it was the first link I got after googling free video hosting sites

oceansweep• 2 months ago

Totally unrelated, but what would you say the feasibility of writing simulation software for simulation of/replicating body movements during/in a martial arts technique would be?

I’ve often thought it would be very handy to have a proper simulator for being able to simulate and identify inefficiencies in one’s technique, but no idea whether it would be feasible to do.

jackling• 2 months ago

Would be similar to the typical simulations of humanoids. If you need to model the deformations of the human body, or get a proper model of tendons that make up humans, it'll be more difficult, but possible.

Proper simulators for those exist, you essentially need an engine with a compliant contact model. MuJoCo is the goto here, see:

https://mujoco.readthedocs.io/en/stable/modeling.html#muscle... https://mujoco.readthedocs.io/en/stable/computation/fluid.ht...

These explicitly model biological muscles. IIRC it was originally created to model human hands (I could be misremembering though).

Really depends on the fidelity you want.

Edit: I also work in rigid body simulation for robotics.

manas967• 2 months ago

I think modelling accurate articulated body dynamics is feasible but when you add deformation (muscles) it gets much harder.

aaroninsf• 2 months ago

Some serious clipping

sbinnee• 2 months ago

Classic 3d simulation artifact with boundary conditions. I remember for an assignment where I had to model liquid with rigid bodies, they would suddenly gain infinite force at the corner and just disappear. It's clear that they must have used a lot of these kinds of synthetic data. But what's impressive to me, every release of these models, I am feeling less and less uncanny valley.

AgentMasterRace• 2 months ago

I'm not sure why, especially because you're a developer... But damn, the amount of people that expect AI to just one shot stuff is hilarious. Half of the time I make a typo or something, should I be laughed out of the room?

AlecSchueler• 2 months ago

They said the given example took 2-3 iterations. If you think it could be done in 4-5 etc maybe you could share your own result?

manas967• 2 months ago

I did prompt additional times insisting on realistic physics..

soperj• 2 months ago

That[1] video looks very Twin towers. Falls in on itself and then explodes.

baq2• 2 months ago

We could be solving fusion power and instead we’re generating videos of birds in space or something. The market is a harsh mistress sometimes.

dwa3592• 2 months ago

Even though I don't have words to express how impressive this capability looks. I am genuinely scared at the harmful use cases of this.

uejfiweun• 2 months ago

Does anyone else feel like Google is just always a dollar short and a day late here? Maybe not a dollar short, but it's like they've consistently been focused on the wrong thing. First they missed chatbots, now they're missing coding agents while they double down on chatbots and video gen (which OpenAI has already basically abandoned). Maybe this strategy is actually genius and I'm too stupid to grasp it.

jarjoura3• 2 months ago

Nano Banana Pro is still the industry standard as far as I’m concerned. I think giving a vision model spatial awareness is the next evolutionary step here, so I don’t think they’re behind at all.

torginus• 2 months ago

While at a cursory glance it looks as impressive as always, subtle spatial errors, and geometry that changes as it goes out of sight and comes back again hints at the fact that Google has still yet to solve the problem of deep spatial understanding.

Which considering just how pretty and detailed this whole thing looks, imo points at a fundamental issue at how these things are trained - it's as if there's no structure to its knowledge and training, like how an artist trained to draw would first try to understand simple 2d composition, then perspective, then light and shadow, mastering each concept and gradually building up a hierarchical understanding - it seems like its trying to learn everything at once.

I would rather see an AI model that I could give a floorplan of a building and it would generate an accurate flythrough on any path, even if it looked like butt.

Im not just talking out of my arse, I did work for a while in data science/engineering, and one of the big lessons people needed to be reminded of is to clean/downsample the data - a dataset consisting of a million samples could very well take 1000x as long to process as if we downsampled the whole thing to just a couple of thousand samples and we could learn the same conclusions with the fraction of expended time/effort.

I'm sure there's a similar logic in RL, that if you dump a trillion samples into the datacenter that consumes the same power as a city, what the model learns is what it could've learned with a much more curated training set and directed approaches.

amelius• 2 months ago

What I'm hoping/waiting for is IMDB users creating alternative endings of movies.

It could make the comments section even more fun.

blt• 2 months ago

It's funny how they specifically use the phrase "output that follows real-world physics" to describe the marble rolling video. At the end of the zigzag track, the marble jumps up for no reason. In a couple of other places it speeds up with no apparent energy source. It's still an amazing result, but they could have picked a better example for this claim!

nl• 2 months ago

Interestingly the `o` in GPT-o4 stood for Omni too (which I never realized until yesterday when reading random 3rd party documentation)

randomthoughts52• 2 months ago

this is omni pro max

az226• 2 months ago

https://media1.giphy.com/media/SxB0S9MgHo4ZoNrDRk/200w.gif

King-Aaron• 2 months ago

The people that think this output looks good are the same people that "don't get" art.

From a technical perspective, it's very impressive, no doubt. But from an artistic perspective I thought all of these examples on the site look bad.

kermatt• 2 months ago

I can create more videos as soon as your limit resets. Check your usage in Settings.

I have not used Gemini in a month.

vldszn• 2 months ago

When I click the link, the website crashes on my iPhone 13 iOS Chrome lol

randomthoughts52• 2 months ago

What's the end goal of video generation? It feels unnecessary. Text generation leads to AI that can replace workers. Video generation is bad and only for video content generation, like movie and tv show production?

jackson_mile• 2 months ago

To be honest, I think the performance of Gemini Omni Flash is still not as good as Seedance 2.0. You can try using both models on this platform. https://omnivideoai.co

LZ_Khan• 2 months ago

This model is very misunderstood. It's not good at raw generation, but it has really deep world knowledge. Not just knowledge of physics, but just knowledge in general.

There are examples like providing a basic google maps view and then asking it to simulate driving from point A to point B, and it will generate landmarks from that location.

It's also great at consistency and editing. Probably SotA in editing.

Not sure what use cases will be unlocked but I sense something is there.

Gemini Omni

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