I almost feel obligated to pirate Office for Mac

http://rys.sommefeldt.com/2012/10/01/i-almost-feel-obligated-to-pirate-office-for-mac.html

by gliese1337 • 14 years ago

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Osmium4• 14 years ago

I just wanted to give a counter-point here, to show they're not all bad. Microsoft saved me recently, when (due to my own stupidity) I was in a foreign country without my main computer and I'd forgotten to install Office for Mac, which I needed urgently to finish a presentation. Luckily, I had my license key so I entered it in on their website, and they gave me a link to download the full version of Office. No questions asked. I hadn't even bought it off Microsoft directly in the first place; I'd bought a student version off a third party.

This might seem like a no-brainer feature, but when I've bought software online in the past it's often come with a 30-day download link, and when that link expires you're out of luck. You have to have the forethought to retain the install image to be able to install it in future. So I was actually impressed and grateful to Microsoft for that.

georgemcbay2• 14 years ago

I was fairly supportive of his thoughts until I read at the bottom that he works for Imagination Technologies, makers of the PowerVR chipset and quite possibly the worst company in the world when it it comes to giving any support at all to open source drivers.

After reading that I was struck by a couple of things -- one is that it is hard to feel bad for someone complaining about a bad actor in the software space when they work for a bad actor in the hardware space; two is that even if I have a bad opinion of an employer already, I still think it is bad form to post an article like this with your employer's name linked right at the bottom.

Even though he ultimately concludes that he won't pirate it, it is fairly easy for bad internet "journalists" to twist what he said and involve his employer since he names and links right to them at the bottom of his rant-post. Rant-posts where you invoke even the idea that you may break the law are best made on blogs that do not mention your employer.

warfangle• 14 years ago

I used to have a Kyro II. I can attest to not only the complete lack of open source drivers, but also to the absolute crap quality of their Windows drivers. I think I had to reinstall windows after I upgraded it to get the drivers gone. Feels bad, man.

bengl3rt• 14 years ago

This is not a middlebrow dismissal. It directly addresses the actual content of the linked page. Bravo.

ashcairo• 14 years ago

Rys is cool though. He gives out of office hours support for people learning 3d graphics.

Check out his recent talk at the London Graphics Hackerspace: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWzcEKHbBv4

bpatrianakos7• 14 years ago

That's no excuse. He may be a great guy but the OP's point stil stands. In general we're all great people until we're not. I'm a nice guy but I've been known to be a total asshole like anybody else. Cool guys act like dicks sometimes and a record of being a good guy doesn't excuse one for doing something uncool.

Bill Clinton left us with a surplus. He also cheated on his wife. Still a good president but cheating is a dick move. See what I'm saying (please don't read into it and focus on the wrong thing now)?

georgemcbay2• 14 years ago

I'll take your word for it that he's a cool guy. And I don't even fault him for working for a company I have a not-so-great opinion of -- it is quite possibly a great place to work for employees and might be the best option to pursue his interests around where he lives. But none of that changes the fact that knowing where he works brings to mind the old saying about people living in glass houses.

rys4• 14 years ago

I'm not sure my employer has much to do with my free thoughts on my blog, or how sorry or supportive you feel for me. I'm not IMG personified and neither are they a corporate version of me, so you shouldn't overly couple the two things.

I thought the post was pretty clear on a few points: I won't pirate it, because I'm a programmer myself and just goes against what I believe; I actively wanted to pay for it; I want them to make it easy for me to do so.

Yes I'm frustrated, but no, I won't go against what I believe just to get what I want and I actively want to give them the money they ask for. I want that situation to be simple and straightforward for me to resolve and for them to claim their revenue. That should be quite clear, and it also should have nothing to do with who I work for.

That said, since you brought IMG up and how we are at supporting open source drivers, that's something that's overwhelmingly down to our customers and what they want to do. When a customer or partner does want us to open code up, we work with them to make it happen as much as we can.

I think you're more frustrated at Intel than us. You could argue that we should provide an open driver in parallel to our customers, but that wouldn't help you much because of how the drivers have to glue to the rest of the software running and the SoC's systems architecture. So you'd also need support from our customers, so we just punt to them.

We could do better, but I don't think we necessarily do badly there.

su_port• 14 years ago

> "giving any support at all to open source drivers"

Since when is a hardware company obligated to give support to open source drivers??? Really? Really.

1. A hardware company can choose to sell its products to whatever class of customers it likes. It doesn't have to cater to a particular subset of philosophical adherents, when marketing a product. It might not be realistic to ask a person to pay money for a product, when they can only marshal so many hands from a finite set of costly human resources, to meet the demands of a certain type of customer.

2. It makes sense for a small hardware company to cater to users of for-profit proprietary operating systems, mostly because there's hard incentive for makers of proprietary libraries to support their software in kind (ie: you can enforce an annual contract against Microsoft, but GNU?). This is the exact business model that Microsoft has preyed upon and grown fat off of for years.

3. The open source community has a reputation for taking on all comers. This is to say that when the going gets tough, and there's real demand for something awesome, the open source community will step up and brute force a project into submission. We have a reputation for pulling our own weight when it counts.

I don't think it's correct to frown upon a hardware company because it doesn't cater to open source philosophies. It's not always easy to turn that kind of pie-in-the-sky demand into something that pays the very real bills.

I think it's correct to frown upon a company that espouses vehement animosity towards a hacker community that it could wisely cultivate as a neutral ally, that neither helps nor harms profits. Companies that actively spearhead campaigns of criminal prosecution and litigation against hobbyists that mean no harm (and often increase demand, or frequently support their own demand) ...that kind of behavior is toxic.

In other words:

if people buy your goods, they should feel free to use them as the please, and if they figure out new unintended uses for those goods, great! But that doesn't obligate the maker to now support an unexpected, unplanned emergent behavior, however popular it may be.

krichman• 14 years ago

They certainly aren't obligated to, but when an employee of a business that does this complains about difficulty using software because of regioning, DRM, or similar, why are you so incredulous that someone points it out?

drivingmenuts• 14 years ago

I get that plenty of companies provide decent support for open source drivers, etc., and more power to them, but what planet do you live on where people and/or companies are obligated to just give you stuff?

Shouldn't it be more a case of "ask and be grateful if you get it" rather than "ask and throw a fit when you don't"?

jrockway• 14 years ago

I've personally found that "internet journalists" will twist what you say regardless of whether or not you make any explicit links to your employer. Even if you do the opposite ("My opinions do not represent those of Foobarbaz, Inc."), they'll still do it.

You get burned once and then you move on.

w1ntermute• 14 years ago

Microsoft.Office.2011.With.SP1.MAC.OSX-CRBS is what you're looking for.

Also, guide from torrent comments (don't personally know if they work, but many people reported that they did):

- unrar the download and install the .dmg

- download the crack from [Edit: Google "2011fixTL.rar" to find a link to a "www-mediafire.com" site, around the 6th result. Change the "www-" in the URL to "www." to get the MediaFire download link] (this one still worked for me) and unrar it

- now open spotlight and type terminal

- click Terminal to run it

- type "cd /" and hit enter

- type "open /Library/Preferences" and it will open up the correct folder

- drag the files from the crack folder in to this preferences map

- now try open Word and it should ask you for your name, this means the hack worked. If it ask to validate your licence-key it failed.

- click no on all the support questions and keep continueing

- word should now open, same for the other office programs

hack_edu• 14 years ago

I suggest removing the direct link to the crack if you want to avoid being flagged for deletion.

keithpeter2• 14 years ago

The original author uses Office on Windows at work. My employer has a licensing scheme that means purchasing a licence for my own use at home is very cheap (something like £10 for Office 2010).

I'm thinking could the oa use something like crossover office

http://www.codeweavers.com/compatibility/browse/name?app_id=...

or could they use a Windows 7 VM? Better than pirating in my personal world.

rys4• 14 years ago

I'll ask and see if we have a scheme like that at work. I don't own a license of Office for Windows that I can use in a VM or with Crossover, but I'd be willing to entertain that if the price was right.

nobodyshere• 14 years ago

I currently live in Belarus and dealt with the same crap a few days ago. Win 8 pro upgrade offer? Sure, but not for you, pal. Try looking for it at local resellers... Same situation is here with paypal, which makes us register it for different countries. So there I was, buying a VPN to buy Windows. How stupid is that? I've always been confident that internet is one single area. It can not be separated by countries. It is one network with no geography, no boundaries. Itunes music purchase? Yeah, very funny. Google Play books or movies or music? Amazon mp3 store? Nope and nope on every point. So nope, I'll not give them a single cent until the day they fix their behaviour. And yes, I'll pirate as much as I can, even being a software developer myself, knowing all the efforts it takes.

gmac• 14 years ago

At least they only made a bad job of trying to take his money. Commonly when I want to stream a movie rental, the studios have seen to it that there is absolutely no way I can legitimately pay for that service.

countessa• 14 years ago

While I appreciate the frustration (and lord knows Microsoft have frustrated me plenty given I spend half my time developing for their platform), no matter how difficult they make it for you to buy, it's never an excuse not to.

neverm0re4• 14 years ago

Is Office even necessary anymore? Where I work, most people are using LibreOffice or Google Docs and not a single complaint about document exchange or document formats. There's a few Office holdouts, but even they haven't had an issue exchanging documents with the rest of us. Even I behave like a normal human being and use LibreOffice instead of Emacs when I wanna play nice at work.

What exactly is the killer feature of Office to people not obsessed with Outlook? Mac doesn't even have that, having to settle for EntouRAGE. (EDIT: My mistake, not used Mac Office in a long while -- Outlook now exists!)

potatolicious• 14 years ago

Outlook on Mac certainly exists - and is much, much better than the thoroughly aneurysm-inducing Entourage.

But yeah, at my last two jobs we've exclusively used Google Docs, and it's been a dream. No more hunting your inbox for a (probably outdated) copy of the Office doc. Sharing is a dream.

It's not quite as usable as a native app. I would be rather happy if there were a native client to GDocs, but as it stands, the ability to collaborate, share, and disseminate far, far trumps whatever usability gaps between it and Office.

Osmium4• 14 years ago

Yep, Outlook (Office 2011) replaced Entourage (Office 2008) on Mac.

keithpeter2• 14 years ago

"Is Office even necessary anymore?"

Can't speak for OP but for many people, yes, it is. My sister works in arts admin. Dealings with funders are done using Word files with macros and protected areas. Works ok on Mac Word (they use Apple at work) but not with Open/LibreOffice.

When I set up an old thinkpad for my sister to use at home, I suggested Ubuntu and got an earful. So an OEM copy of Windows 7 and she got a licensed Office 2010 under her employer's licence agreement.

Also William Gibson...

"Word is, I'm told, horrid, but it talks to publishers, which is really all I use it for."

http://william.gibson.usesthis.com/

I really hope the UK government can stick to this...

https://blogs.fsfe.org/gerloff/2012/11/01/the-uks-new-open-s...

(It was posted to HN some days ago)

raverbashing• 14 years ago

Yes it is. Downloaded Office for Mac Demo exactly because it's the only tool I can use.

(didn't try clicking the email link, I'm gonna probably order the box online)

Why exactly I need Office? Word. For publishing. OO or other will mess the styles, formatting, etc.

Apparently the publishing tool doesn't accept other formats.

Osmium4• 14 years ago

> most people are using LibreOffice or Google Docs and not a single complaint about document exchange or document formats

I had to edit a presentation urgently. It was nothing exotic, made with PowerPoint. LibreOffice failed to open half the images, as did Keynote (which I bought just for this purpose, because it was an emergency). I can't tell you what happened, just that the one time I needed LibreOffice (or similar) to work, it didn't.

As for Office generally, I still haven't found a good substitute for Excel (sadly).

pavel_lishin• 14 years ago

> Is Office even necessary anymore?

I still keep a print-out of a requirements document on my desk that our windows-running QA person printed for me, because there is nothing else in our office that'll display it properly. Office for Mac, Google Docs, LibreOffice, etc - all display revision garbage mixed in with content, outdated text, etc.

I could ask the client to re-send the document without tracking information, or converted to a PDF, but due to their various chain o' command issues, it would probably take a week.

So yes, Office is still necessary, at least in our case.

kevhsu• 14 years ago

I recently did an on campus interview with Microsoft. Before the interview, they sent me an application to fill out with my basic information, interests, etc. The application looked like absolute garbage if you opened it with Wordpad, Libreoffice, or Google Docs. I ended up downloading a trial version of Office just to fill out the application.

So the only reason I've ever had in the past few years to use Office is that other people still use it, and Google Docs and LibreOffice are not perfectly compatible 100% of the time.

hatcravat• 14 years ago

There isn't really a substitute for Excel if you want to use big spreadsheets (more than, say, a few hundred rows and a few dozen columns). Neither LibreOffice nor MS Office is really good for hard-core curve fitting, but Excel has a few options that LibreOffice lacks (at least nth-degree polynomial fits and maybe some others). Even when you can use LibreOffice for your spreadsheets, it's often significantly slower.

LibreOffice works just find for my word-processing needs.

Edit: Forgot about Gnumeric for a moment. It's probably twice as good as LibreOffice for what I need, but doesn't do 100% of what Excel does.

jordo37• 14 years ago

If you are sending documents back and forth with clients then I still think word is better. The fully integrated review mode is nice showing the history, not versions of the documents.

Also, the only time I really focus on non-code for hours at a time is when I am flying and thats when its nice to be able to work on a) production descriptions b) sales decks and c) job posts or other docs, all of which are better in the Office application.

bpatrianakos7• 14 years ago

I am annoyed and frustrated by so,e software therefor it's okay for me to not pay for it? Give me a break. This is such a lame justification for piracy. If the author truly wants to pay for it then he will. Saying you want to pay for it in an attempt to seem on the up and up and really wanting to pay for something are different. I can understand the frustration and I can empathize and I can get on board with the idea that the process they put you through to buy Office is ridiculous but I can't buy the justification for piracy. Just because you sell software yourself for a living doesmt put you in a position to decide when it's okay to pirate software. The author may consider the way in which he sells his software to be superior and therefore it's not okay to pirate what he sells but when it comes to someone else's well that's a different story. But its a slippery slope. Microsoft's process certainly is ludicrous but it's not long before people start saying "you want me to enter an email address to buy software? Oh, that's too much, I think I'll just pirate it, thanks".

Calling it one's and zeros doesn't justify it either. I hate the ones and zeros argument. You're not paying for one's and zeros. You're paying for the value the software creates for you. It may only need to be coded and compiled once but does that mean that after the first person gets value from it that the software has been paid for? Of course not.

If someone creates software and you value what it can do then you are obligated to pay for it if that's what the creator asks. Argue about the definition of stealing till your blue in the face but it doesn't change the fact that you are depriving the author of revenue they would otherwise have gotten. It is stealing and to say otherwise is to do some impressive mental gymnastics.

The system may suck but piracy isn't going to solve the problem. It's just going to create more problems. Using Office without a license doesn't hurt Microsoft. What hurts them is a more popular alternative. The only thing that will change what the author complains about is someone else creating some half decent office replacement in a way that shows Microsoft how to do it right. If such a program existed and were widely adopted you'd better believe they'd take notice and shape up. Piracy hurts people. It doesn't hurt the big guys though and we know it so we all tend to justify it. But that same attitude that gets people thinking its okay to pirate Office allows people to justify pirating software from smaller companies and that's who it hurts.

I see no justification for piracy.

neverm0re4• 14 years ago

How about when you pay USD$10,000 for a niche software package with a crappy USB hardware dongle with drivers that only work on Windows XP, despite the application itself working just fine under Windows 7 64-bit?

When I asked the vendor, I was told I could pay another $10,000 so I could buy a new version of the software that just so happened to have a newer DRM dongle.

At that point you really have four options:

1.) Hope someone else pirated it. 2.) Kill a few evenings cracking the application with IDA Pro. 3.) Forever remain on Windows XP on a graphics workstation, unable to use the entirety of RAM installed, or some horrible dual-boot situation isolating you from the rest of your tools. 4.) Pay ANOTHER $10,000.

Seriously, you have no position to tell anyone that there's 'no justification'. It's obvious you're missing real world experience here. I picked #2, myself, but I'd have rather saved time and picked #1 if it had already been done.

bpatrianakos7• 14 years ago

I have the real world experience and I stand by my position. It does suck and I can empathize and of course I can understand why you'd pirate the software but are you really going to try to tell me that it's not wrong? Can you honestly say that not paying is okay because the price is too high and you don't agree with the reasons why you can't run your dongle on a new OS? That's what it comes down to in the end. It's about not wanting to pay and disagreeing with the price. The fact that you know the dongle should work on your machine doesn't put you in a position to know why they want you to upgrade. Anyone in that situation would have a knee-jerk reaction and jump to thinking its a corporate conspiracy and they're just gouging people. That's plausible. Or maybe there's a legit reason that you don't know. But in either case, no matter how ridiculous the experience is (and I grant you that the example you provide is very unreasonable) it still doesn't change the fact that someone created something of value to you, you want to use it above all alternatives, and you choose to pirate it which is wrong.

Suppose I go to the Apple store and I want a new MacBook Air. I have to wait in line for an hour. Then when I get into the store they've upped the price by $10k. Then, even after swallowing my frustration, I look to pay but all the checkout guys are busy. So I decide this is fucked up and just walk out with it. You'd agree that was a messed up situation but it's not okay for me to walk out of a store without paying.

The point is something I can't fathom anyone disagreeing with. There's a product. It has a price. If you want it you have to buy it. If you take it without paying that is wrong. How can you disagree with that?

protomyth2• 14 years ago

5) pick a new software vendor and tell people why

There is no justification short of "needed to save someone's life" for stealing. Your piracy hurts the "good" vendors in the same vertical because they aren't getting funded.

jobu• 14 years ago

Nice rant, but I think you missed his point. He wanted to buy the software, tried to buy the software, but ended up getting this: "We’re sorry. The site you are attempting to access is restricted in your region."

bpatrianakos7• 14 years ago

No, I got that. But I just take offense that this is an excuse to pirate something. They do sell copies in stores still and, especially for someone so technically inclined, it'd be pretty trivial to get to the right site. That said, it's still super messed up that they're preventing a guy who wants to buy something from actually buying it but the whole thing came off to me as "edge cases like this is why piracy is okay".

noonespecial• 14 years ago

I want to buy it but they won't let me therefore my pirate copy results in zero lost revenue for them.

Osmium4• 14 years ago

In fairness to the author, I don't think he was seriously advocating piracy, but was more just trying to use it to demonstrate his frustration at trying to pay for a product and not being able to.

jakubp• 14 years ago

I disagree. I think the blog post perfectly shows one of the common rationalizations when pirating software.

I'd even say more -- regardless of the intention of the post, it actually pictures how people act when they are angry / frustrate. We, humans, need to tell ourselves something nice when we do bad things. In this case, it's something like "they were bad to me, so it's OK if I'm bad to them".

I can imagine more sinister reasons for piracy or misconduct of any other kind. This one feels so natural.

rys4• 14 years ago

I don't think I justified it. I just pointed out that I can see why it happens. Overwhelmingly the post was about wanting to pay for it but being totally frustrated at not being able to, and I was also quite clear that I wouldn't pirate it because of what I believe in.

fijal• 14 years ago

You live in America don't you? Outside of it things are not all that rosy, as author points out. Sometimes it's plain impossible to buy something, so the options are either not use it (or not listen to it or not watch it) or pirate it. I would pirate it.

Another option that I found is that software is somehow worse in the place where I live. A good example is games with awful polish dubbing or an invasive DRM. I actually ended up few times buying a game, just not to use it and download a pirated version anyway.

yakshay• 14 years ago

I'm not sure why Microsoft doesn't put it up on the App Store. They will probably get a lot less customer information, but things would be so convenient. Apple will stand to make a cut, but then there are several companies which sell both on the web as well as the App Store - why not do that.

Adobe was hesitant at first too. They brought several smaller apps to the App Store at first, then followed by some big ones.

AmVess• 14 years ago

Apple getting a cut is the reason why MS doesn't put it on that service. There's no point in paying 30% if you don't have to, and MS doesn't have to.

SeoxyS• 14 years ago

If your experience with Office sucks, just don't buy it. There is not justification for pirating. It's a free market, and Microsoft's monopoly is long gone.

I haven't used Office in years and I've done just fine. The few time people send me `docx` documents, I can either open them up with Preview, Pages, or simply not open it. Most of the time, I don't care enough about the contents. When it's a resumé, sending anything other than a PDF or a website is an instant fail.

rm999• 14 years ago

>When it's a resumé, sending anything other than a PDF or a website is an instant fail.

What sucks is when you make your resume in latex and you apply to a company that only takes word or raw text files. I've actually skipped out on companies because of this.

Zaheer• 14 years ago

If you have Office at work you may be elegible to get office for just $10.

http://www.microsofthup.com/hupus/otherproducts.aspx?culture...

I got it through my University for just $10.

victorbstan• 14 years ago

I can completely sympathise with your experience! I tried buying window 7 a while ago, as a digital download, from Canada. Guess what? The on-line store wouldn't sell to Canadians? We're on the same frigging continent, it's the internet! WTF?! Frankly I don't even know why they are still in business. The whole thing is run by monkeys. I ended up purchasing a licence, and then pirating the actual software, thus I can say that I paid for it, and frankly pirating MS software is SUPERIOR EXPERIENCE compares to purchasing it. Monkeys.

geuis• 14 years ago

I have a saying I like to think I coined, "Don't make it hard for your customers to give you money". I think that applies here.

When you are working to optimize your business, take a step back. If you're focused on adding new features or exploring some marketing campaign, consider how you can optimize the most important part instead: getting paid.

There have been more times than I can remember where I would have bought or paid for something if only the retailer hadn't made it so difficult.

tankbot2• 14 years ago

So? Set up with a VPN that has stateside IPs, or build your own on AWS.

Whether you pirate Mac Office or not though: I've been using it for awhile now and it's pretty lackluster. Most of the programs are stripped down versions. It usually gets the job done, but you'll probably run into a situation at some point where you want to do something that isn't included with Mac Office 2011.

JackWebbHeller• 14 years ago

>> So? Set up with a VPN that has stateside IPs, or build your own on AWS.

Is that a serious suggestion...?!

tankbot2• 14 years ago

Well it's sort of a half-assed suggestion since I don't like the program. But there are many free VPNs that could solve this problem easily and rolling your own is fun and informative.

Pretty weak blog piece to be honest. Proclaiming that it's somehow a moral duty to steal something is trumped up nihilism at best.

Karunamon2• 14 years ago

In my arrogant opinion, if a company will literally not allow you to give them your money, they shouldn't whine later about how piracy is killing their sales, making angels and puppies cry, etc.

bborud• 14 years ago

If you use Microsoft Office you are part of the problem.

Please don't be part of the problem.

niggler• 14 years ago

BizSpark.

trotsky• 14 years ago

http://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3D...

I'm pretty sure it was a lot easier for me to come up with that link than for him to write that narcissistic blog entry.

rhplus• 14 years ago

It sounds like the problem is that a sales & marketing email took him to the wrong site.

To pirate the software he'd at the very least need to do a search on Google to find out how. A simple search[1] shows how easy it is. The first result is a warez site called "Official Apple Store - UK" where he can download it immediately with very little effort.

[1] http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=office+mac+uk

michaelpinto• 14 years ago

The best way to run MS Office on a Mac? I use VMware and just run Office within Windows. What's funny is that this is actually faster than launching Office for the Mac while showing me what a Windows user is seeing. By the way I'm doing this on an iMac so I'm not using anything too exotic in terms of hardware.

pootch• 14 years ago

You could just go to an apple store and buy it. Pretty lazy to pirate something thats pretty cheap to start with. If you dont have 149 bucks, maybe you have bigger problems than word processing?

rythie• 14 years ago

In the grand scheme of things, it's better for Microsoft that you pirate Office than use something else - so really you are not punishing them for their mistake by doing that.

Your continued use of Office, will mean people can continue sending Office documents and you can send them too, if you used something else that whole system gets disrupted and people you work with consider new tools too. If you share your doc with Google docs for example, their copy of Office for that task is useless and after a while everyone might be using it, in my view it's a much better workflow than email documents around.

Just my 2 cents [I don't think anyone should pirate software by the way].

jordanthoms• 14 years ago

Why do these companies think it's a good idea to refuse to sell to a customer depending on where they live?

I can understand in the case of Netflix etc where they legally cannot provide access outside of the areas where they have the licences, but there is no such issue here - Microsoft is fully able to distribute their own product, and there isn't even a shipping issue since it's just online.

Even Google has this problem, where they won't ship their devices from the play store to anywhere outside of a few countries, even though they would be fully able to.

reeses• 14 years ago

A) People in different regions will pay different amounts of money. By restricting regions in which a person can use a thing (such as DVDs) they can sell at the price each market will bear. B) Sometimes, the separate regions are managed by separate corporations (wholly owned by the parent) which have their own pricing policy. C) Often there are local laws or agreements dictating that the corporation not undercut local distributors.

zio99• 14 years ago

rys, what are using for your blog's backend? octopress? jekyll?

I almost feel obligated to pirate Office for Mac

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