GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

https://linuxiac.com/gnome-50-ends-the-x11-era-after-decades/

by upofadown • 8 months ago

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wongarsu• 8 months ago

I was mostly surprised by the "Gnome 50" part. Last I remembered Gnome was still version 3. Turns out they jumped from 3.38 to version 40

ernst_klim• 8 months ago

They are not planning to go Gnome 4, hence Gnome 3.40 became 40. Just like Emacs went from 1.12 to 13.

hulitu3• 8 months ago

I was mostly surprised by the "Gnome 50" part. Last I remembered Gnome was still version 3. Turns out they jumped from 3.38 to version 40

I think GTK is version 5, so they have to converge somewhere.

This is an old trick from SW developers to show a suppose maturity: bump the version number.

17186274402• 8 months ago

To me a larger version number doesn't signify a more mature codebase, it signifies less mature developer and developer culture, that doesn't care about backward compatibility and semantic versions.

sph2• 8 months ago

Then there’s the Linux approach: bump the major version when Linus feels the minor number is too large.

mx7zysuj4xew3• 8 months ago

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

gabrielgio4• 8 months ago

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere. Gnome is used (and financed) by major distributions.

Nothing new is being created with x11 and the people from freedesktop don't seen to be thrilled to maintain it. I don't think should change just for the sake of changing, but I'd start looking to migrate whatever you use that depends on x11.

user39393823• 8 months ago

Goodbye to any trace of freedom left on Linux when you combine this with proprietary graphics drivers.

ur-whale2• 8 months ago

x11 is in maintenance mode at this point and Gnome is not going anywhere

True.

But does not address the fact that Wayland is a bad solution to X11's problems, and that its architecturally broken from inception.

vidarh7• 8 months ago

For my part, I have no intention of moving off X11 for the next decade at least. The only app I use that I don't fully control is a browser, and the worst case fallback is to run the browser in a Wayland compositor that runs on X.

exe346• 8 months ago

x11 being in maintenance mode is the best thing that happened to it for my use case. It hasn't crashed in 15 years.

lousken• 8 months ago

https://github.com/X11Libre/xserver

graemep2• 8 months ago

The problem is that I find Wayland to be a lot buggier than x11.

For example, terminal transparency using Konsole on KDE flickers for me.

Its nearly there, but not quite. Maybe Gnome has no such issues?

irthomasthomas2• 8 months ago

And wayland is in broken mode. KDE keep changing the default back to wayland after each update, and every time my linux systems are broken until I switch back to x11.

DonaldFisk• 8 months ago

I had assumed that XWayland is a drop-in replacement fo X11, and will be available indefinitely.

I regularly write code which relies on a working X11. I have written a virtual machine which makes X11 calls to do 2D graphics and event handling, as well as applications which compile to the virtual machine code. If X11 and now XWayland cease to be available, not only would I have to rewrite large parts of my virtual machine, but also rewrite all the 2D graphics code in applications. All so that I can stand still when the rug is being pulled from under my feet. I'm sure there are others in a similar predicament.

I may be naive about this, but as X11 just works, and has done for decades, it should require little to no maintenance, so why the need to withdraw it? I don't expect, or require, any additional functionality.

ur-whale2• 8 months ago

X11 is not going anywhere. If anything it's Gnome adding another nail to its coffin

Yup, my feeling as well.

Wayland was sold as a sorely needed fix to X11 long-standing problems.

The fact that X11 had problems that sorely needed to be fixed is indeed true.

The fact that Wayland is the solution is unfortunately not.

Just because something is the next gen project does not mean it actually succeeded in fixing what it planned to.

antiloper• 8 months ago

X11 isn't going anywhere because distros will ship XWayland for a long time to ensure compatibility with existing X11-only applicatin.

xorg-server is gone from the linux desktop. Gnome and KDE use wayland shells by default, and that's what users get when they download a Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/whatever ISO.

yjftsjthsd-h3• 8 months ago

xorg-server is gone from the linux desktop. Gnome and KDE use wayland shells by default, and that's what users get when they download a Debian/Ubuntu/Fedora/whatever ISO.

Well, no. Stand-alone Xorg is probably declining on the Linux desktop, but "gone" is inaccurate.

- Sent from i3

pjmlp• 8 months ago

Wayland was created by X11 developers, as they decided keeping X11 going was beyond hope.

Feel free to find volunteers to fulfill their shoes.

gabrielgio4• 8 months ago

I think we would have a lot less problems if wayland was called X12 /s

mx7zysuj4xew3• 8 months ago

They weren't "developers" more like a Jr intern asked to do some minor maintenance

The real work was done in the 80s/90s through a consortium of universities and corporations

Then one day, some nobody shows up and in their infinite wisdom decides: I know better than all the 100s of people before me.

And now we have to listen on and on about how this nobody was somehow a "major developer"

criddell• 8 months ago

adding another nail to its coffin

They've been adding nails to the coffin for 25+ years now. How many more do you think it's going to take?

NoGravitas6• 8 months ago

Damn thing's more nail than coffin at this point!

GuB-42• 8 months ago

X11 desktop environments are dying, but it doesn't mean that X11 is dead. XWayland is still a thing so you can still run your X11 apps on Gnome.

The big reason why I want to keep X11 besides backwards compatibility is the ability to run GUI apps remotely, even from a server that has zero graphical capabilities. But these do not really apply to desktop environments. If you want to remote a full desktop rather than individual applications, there are better options (VNC, RDP, ...).

NoGravitas6• 8 months ago

I think waypipe should generally do what you want, though TBH so far when I need to run a remote GUI app, I just have them display to XWayland out of habit.

ColonelPhantom8• 8 months ago

Rumors of Gnome's demise seem greatly exaggerated to me. It's still the default DE in nearly all major distributions, and it doesn't seem to have incurred major mindshare or marketshare hits recently. I feel like most of the 'complainers' already abandoned the Gnome ship with the release of GNOME 3.

Really the only high-profile 'switch' in recent times I can think of is that Fedora promoted KDE to be first-class ('edition') alongside Gnome, instead of delegated to a more second-class spin. And while KDE is a bit more conservative in this regard, I believe that in the long term KDE also wants to go Wayland-only at some point.

Personally I did switch from Gnome to KDE some time after Gnome 40, since I quite liked 3.x but the UI overhaul 40 did wasn't really my thing. It also helps that KDE got a lot better in recent years.

cout2• 8 months ago

KDE got better some ways, but I would really like to be able to write an applet without learning QML and everything that goes with it. The learning curve feels higher than when I wrote my first Android app.

w4rh4wk5• 8 months ago

Does this mean we finally get proper drag-n-drop support back? [1]

[1] https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/file-roller/-/issues/4

Doxin• 8 months ago

Is that why that broke? I've got more than a few expletives on the tip of my tongue right about now.

bytemode• 8 months ago

Blocked in my location. Did a quick search only to find that it's blocked in many other locations - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35314374

1vuio0pswjnm7• 8 months ago

https://web.archive.org/web/20251114122702if_/https://linuxi...

anthk• 8 months ago

Another nail in the coffin. Bye, Red Hat. Bye, NGOME. Non GNU OldIBM Mediocre Environment. I wish GTK4 dies in IBM hands too, for the good. XFCE can go back to a community supported GTK3 anytime.

bjourne• 8 months ago

Sadly, I recently had to switch back from Wayland to xorg because clients are getting so memory hungry. My eight year old gpu only has 2gb of vram, which I constantly run out of. Some part of the gfx stack should handle swapping out vram to main ram but it apparently isn't.

kasabali• 8 months ago

Is it an Nvidia?

killerstorm2• 8 months ago

I've been using Gnome for years, but, honestly, it just isn't good: seems like it's optimized for very basic use. Something as simple as adding launcher to a panel now requires an extension.

Also Wayland has some problem on my system (Thinkpad / Intel Xe) where it randomly just goes slow, this makes it an easy choice to try things other than Gnome.

ginalloa• 8 months ago

As discussed earlier on HN, KDE these days has been the most usable desktop for many users. It is mostly stable, feature rich and can be customized easily.

nmstoker• 8 months ago

Yes, fuly agree. And enough time has passed with it being robust and performant that the old bores who used to go on about KDE performance have finally given up bleeting on about that.

I wouldn't bash GNOME as clearly plenty of work goes into it and having two decent DE is good for the ecosystem, but for me GNOME never struck a chord compared to the elegance of KDE - it just feels like the Duplo version compared to KDE

xedrac• 8 months ago

I tried KDE on several different occasions this year, and each time the bottom panel froze on me when trying to configure it, usually within the first minute or two. It felt a bit like I was still using KDE4 when it was first released.

killerstorm2• 8 months ago

Alright, I tried KDE again - and it's really good. Seems like Chrome-in-Wayland problem I had before is resolved now. And otherwise KDE accumulated all the goodies one should expect from DE over years.

17186274402• 8 months ago

Mate (aka Gnome 2) is also fine.

aitchnyu• 8 months ago

Site is blocked by origin server in India.

szszrk7• 8 months ago

Transition to Wayland opened so many user experience regressions. Many are solved today, or at least partially solved but...

There is still no possibility to have proper remote sessions when using Wayland. On any Window Manager and any distro. It's such a shitshow when you go into details. Nothing works, including third party tools (like NoMachine) and I could find no real hope for actual solutions being designed.

The best you can go with "remote session" on Wayland is viewing a desktop session that was already opened by someone directly on the computer. You can partially work around this by... setting your account to be automatically logged in with no password :D And even then it's a crippled experience.

A basic feature I used for the past 25 years and helped me to learn linux and offer safe space for others to learn it as well. To work around work computer limitations. To use your best hardware wherever and whenever you want.

I currently had to ditch both my favorite distro and WM because of that. But at least we can make screenshots nowadays, so I guess it could be worse.

eliaspro2• 8 months ago

"gnome-remote-desktop" does exactly that - providing (amongst other capabilities) a way to handle remote logins: https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/gnome-remote-desktop

magicalhippo2• 8 months ago

It's not explicit from the link, but does it allow the headless login to be resumed from console and vice versa?

I tried some solutions in the past but they did not support that, which is a deal breaker.

szszrk7• 8 months ago

Remote assistance, NOT remote logins. It can be used as support when someone is already went to that computer, authenticated and has a full gnome session opened.

So you literally CANNOT log in remotely :) If you are lucky, you can assist remotely to a session someone opened locally on that machine.

And it's like that on any other WM. KDE also has a deceiving option in settings that suggests full remote desktop, while it doesn't allow that.

Sweepi• 8 months ago

The "Transition to Wayland" from a user experience pov is the slowest car crash of all time. We are like 1.5 DECADES in at this point.

I have a simple application written in QT6. It works on Windows, macOS, and X11/Linux. On Wayland/Linux, applications cannot move their own windows anymore, because "security". Good luck finding this in the QT documentation, it is there, but only at 3/dozens of places were it would be necessary, and 2/3 of those dont mention the word "Wayland". Great fun.

tsoukase• 8 months ago

There are slower ones, like IPv4 to IPv6 transition. Jokes aside, in Linux any transition happens instant or never.

jauntywundrkind• 8 months ago

Kde's new Plasma Login Manager / Plasma Login (backend/frontend) have been coming along nicely (replacing sddm), and include remote login support. Just announced this past spring but very active. https://blog.davidedmundson.co.uk/blog/a-roadmap-for-a-moder...

szszrk7• 8 months ago

That's exactly what I was talking about before. Tried on newest fedora but that simply isn't it. It's remote support to an existing session. Names are misleading.

StopDisinfo9103• 8 months ago

In Gnome, the option is in Settings -> System -> Remote Desktop.

You can enable the rdp server there. It does allow opening new sessions remotely. It works fine.

charlsysaysbase2• 8 months ago

There is still no possibility to have proper remote sessions when using Wayland. On any Window Manager and any distro. It's such a shitshow when you go into details. Nothing works, including third party tools (like NoMachine) and I could find no real hope for actual solutions being designed.

Gnome has had remote desktop sharing I think since 46.

Settings --> System --> Remote Desktop

The "desktop sharing" tab is for setting credentials to share your logged in screen.

The "Remote Login" tab is for setting credentials to access GDM and login as any user (i.e. headless).

Daunk• 8 months ago

I don't understand how Wayland is becoming the norm when it can't even restore window positions yet.

lobo_tuerto• 8 months ago

Tiling window managers are the future.

saturn_vk2• 8 months ago

Why does the display server have to restore window positions?

vidarh7• 8 months ago

If you want that feature, then the display server doesn't need to be the one to support it when the display server lets applications obtain and control window positions.

Wayland doesn't let you do that, and it's a deliberate choice.

See e.g.:

https://wayland-book.com/xdg-shell-in-depth/interactive.html

"However, a deliberate design trait of Wayland makes application windows ignorant of their exact placement on screen or relative to other windows."

And: https://hackaday.com/2025/11/11/waylands-never-ending-opposi...

yjftsjthsd-h3• 8 months ago

Because the display server refuses to let anyone else set or restore window positions.

christophilus• 8 months ago

I haven’t booted into an X11 environment in maybe 4 years. Wayland has been fine (Fedora + Gnome, Fedora / Arch + Niri). I think this is one of those issues where hardcore users overestimate how much anyone else cares or will notice.

wltr• 8 months ago

I used X when I started with Linux in my high school. When I finally stopped tolerating macOS almost a decade ago, I started with Wayland only, and never looked back. I even ditched Krita in favour of Gimp, solely because Gimp supports Wayland (from version 3, and on 2.99 before that). To this day, I don’t understand X, like at all. It’s all some super complicated pile to me. While I don’t understand Wayland either, it’s super simple to interact with as a user. That’s all I care about, especially given that Wayland is better with security, multiple displays, has a smaller code base, and whatnot. Each time I see someone says Wayland is unusable to them, I wonder whether that’s some edge case they have, or is it just some habit. I’m happy I don’t need X for anything, so I just wait till most apps would support Wayland.

woleium• 8 months ago

Remember x11 was initially a client server model, where multiple clients could access a single x11 server. This brought a lot of complexity we don’t use these days

serf2• 8 months ago

I think this is one of those issues where hardcore users overestimate how much anyone else cares or will notice.

I don't think users that rely on accessibility featurescount as 'hardcore', and the majority of X->Wayland complaints i've heard center around all of that stuff.

Little of it has been remediated last I checked.

piekvorst• 8 months ago

Mouse warping does not work in XWayland. Thus, I still use X11.

David (UI details) beats Goliath.

gmokki• 8 months ago

https://www.phoronix.com/news/SDL-Lands-Wayland-Pointer-Warp

Wayland and SDL got support this summer.

And Xwayland has had support for past 10 years: https://www.phoronix.com/news/XWayland-Pointer-Confinement

LennyHenrysNuts• 8 months ago

Wayland is buggy as hell for me. Im not particularly invested in X11 but at least it works.

Gigachad• 8 months ago

Nvidia GPU? Their drivers have been broken on Linux for a long time now. I've had no bugs on my steam deck or on asahi linux with wayland.

eqvinox3• 8 months ago

I'm happy for you!

On my end I'm still waiting on several critical-for-me things to be fixed. (first and foremost noticeable mouse pointer lag, but also clipboard over-security, and missing XInput analog)

wartijn_• 8 months ago

https://archive.ph/2OaGe

benterix• 8 months ago

What a strange title. X11 is still more popular than Gnome, and formulating a wish like a fact doesn't make it so.

saturn_vk2• 8 months ago

Do you have a source for that statistic?

CodeArtisan• 8 months ago

Stats from Debian and Archlinux. i can't tell how reliable they are.

https://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=x11-common+g...

https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnom...

tokai3• 8 months ago

Such a statement is pointless with any data to back it up.

ColonelPhantom8• 8 months ago

Anecdotally, I strongly doubt this is true, although my environment is probably quite biased. I know a ton of people who use Gnome, some who use KDE, and I think roughly all of these people use them with Wayland. The standalone-WM users I know are also mostly on Sway or other Wayland ones. The only real X11 holdouts seem to be people using X11-only DE's, such as Xfce or Cinnamon.

NoGravitas6• 8 months ago

Xfce is working on Wayland session support. It is working now with some limitations (limitations on what you can embed in the panel are all that's left, I think).

freehorse• 8 months ago

Pretty much possible to use gnome and x11 (until now).

Personally I have given up with wayland as in years ago. There will always be something I should not have wanted to do in the first place while using wayland. I would rather use x11 and have much better control.

eqvinox3• 8 months ago

I think roughly all of these people use them with Wayland.

While we're making unfounded statements based on our own anecdotal experiences: can't speak for Gnome users (very few in my circle), but for KDE and tiling window manager users, it's a lot of X11. Hard to say exactly, but would put it at ≥50% X11.

demetris2• 8 months ago

I was working on a carousel library a few months ago. I had made a few stress-test demos so that I could catch obvious issues while I was adding things and tweaking things.

One carousel there had 16K slides.

On Windows both Chrome and Firefox managed that fine. They scrolled from start to end and back without issue and you could see, I think, all the frames in my 60Hz screen.

On GNOME and X11 (dual boot, so same hardware) Chrome was fine but there were issues with Firefox. I was curious so I logged out and logged in with Wayland. On Wayland Firefox was fine too, indistinguishable from Chrome.

I don’t understand hardware, compositors, etc., so I have no idea why that was, but it was interesting to see.

mid-kid• 8 months ago

Firefox remains very conservative on enabling modern features on X11. Some distributions force them on, but otherwise it's up to the user to figure out how to do that.

It's likely that some hwaccel flag in about:config wasn't turned on by default. Similarly, if you want smooth touchpad scrolling, you need to set MOZ_USE_XINPUT2

hulitu3• 8 months ago

Firefox remains very conservative on enabling modern features on X11.

So old school throthling if you don't use the "right" version (Apple batterygate, Microsoft wordperfectgate). They could blame it on testing though (we only use Wayland and we are too lazy to test the X11 version)

demetris2• 8 months ago

Oh! That’s interesting. Thank you.

My main Firefox in that setup is from the Mozilla repos, rather than the ESR version that is the default in Debian stable. So, it could very well be that. I will have to check to see what the ESR Firefox from the Debian repos does.

iamnothere• 8 months ago

Makes sense to move to something actively maintained. I don’t use GNOME, but I have been on Wayland for years in both KDE and tiling WMs. It works great while on X11 I would often get weird flickering and stuttering issues (some NVIDIA bug I could never track down). Anyway, if the X11 die-hards want it to survive, they need to organize an effort to maintain it, not yell at everyone who wants to build something better.

I am sympathetic to people who have a working setup and just don’t want to mess with their configuration anymore. Unless you’re on OpenBSD, though, that ship has long sailed in most *nix distros (even “stable” Debian). Long-term stability is underrated but hard to achieve.

Hizonner• 8 months ago

Mighty presumptuous to think everybody uses Gnome. I've spent decades using neither Gnome nor KDE.

rich_sasha• 8 months ago

I love Linux and vastly prefer it to Windows, but whenever people tell me Linux is vastly more stable than Windows, I think of the whol X11/Wayland saga.

I still scarcely know what these are. In fact I actively don't want to know about compositors and whatnot. When I want GUIs, I just want to see them.

I can list many crappinesses of Windows, but stuff like this kinda just works.

wakawaka282• 8 months ago

Linux is extremely stable. There are some exploits for it, but generally you are very unlikely to accidentally get a virus on it. If you don't update your software, it could potentially run for YEARS without a reboot on Linux. Maybe that is possible on Windows but I have yet to see it really.

If you mean API/ABI stability, the question is far more nuanced. I think most Linux software you are likely to use will run on any Linux distro equally well, although you may require it to be rebuilt for your particular distro. In the worst case there is always Docker. Statically linked programs can work for a VERY long time across distros. Microsoft probably has a bigger commitment to backward compatibility right now, but Linux binary software can be carried forward for many years as well with few/no changes. The Wayland thing is going to upset this stability, but in theory XWayland should make the old stuff keep working.

Most popular distros on common hardware "just work" these days and can be used easily by normal people. You might be confused if you tried to migrate a binary executable forward or between distros and it didn't work, but it is mostly developers and admins who think about such things.

Ferret74462• 8 months ago

This stuff just kinda works on Linux too. This discussion is for distro maintainers (think of them like OS packagers) and power users. If you just install Ubuntu or Bazzite or whatever, it should just work

serf2• 8 months ago

what's the drive to use a nix but 'actively dont want to know' about things?

just need to fulfill some software necessity?

The two most major OSs out there specialize in catering to users that don't want to know how the thing works -- it seems like you're swimming against the current a little bit, no?

also I don't think that anyone has ever called any nix stable and had software politics and human-stuff in mind ; what's meant is that it doesn't crash and burn when you're trying to use it.

jbaber• 8 months ago

Modern unix gives me the choice to know a lot about some parts and stay ignorant about others. I don't think there's anything wrong with being real into, say, the network stack and wanting other nerds to handle the GUI for you.

atomicnumber3• 8 months ago

Everyone deserves freedom. Tinkerers and regular users, software engineers and grandmas, artists and Paint users.

Linux obviously has this nerdy root culture because it hardly cannot. But the freedom it brings is for everyone.

This is especially important in a time where MS has clearly stopped caring about Windows in the way they did in the 90s and 2000s, they largely don't care about consumer windows anymore, as long as Excel and all the enterprise shit stays locked in. So there's nothing stopping them from shoving ads and spyware (windows account) into every inch of the OS because they hope most users won't do anything, and if some small % switch to something else, oh well.

And macOS has clearly also stopped being cared for - most of apples revenue is iPhones and services. They mostly just want to sell overpriced hardware to corpos who need Xcode and to users who are in their walled garden.

We need to respect these users and bring the freedom to them that we all deserve.

Also - I'm a software engineer myself, and if I may be so bold, I like to think im a pretty good one. Certainly well positioned to understand how Linux works. And indeed I have spent enough time debugging weird shit that I suspect I know more than the average Linux bear.

And I STILL have no patience for X vs wayland bullshit. Draw the pixels or get the fuck out of my face. I literally don't care except which one lets me use 2 hiDPI monitors + the laptop display with fractional scaling and closing and reopening the laptop lid isn't some kind of bizarre edge case event. Wayland managed to get that right on Gnome for me as of late. I have a vague understanding of why, but largely just want Gnome to figure this crap out for me so I can run IntelliJ, PyCharm and vscode at the same time without weird artifacting.

StopDisinfo9103• 8 months ago

I mean if you are a normal user and most people are, you absolutely do not need to care about both Wayland and X11. Distributions ship with working configurations. It just works.

Most of the people complaining about the transition just like to nitpick about low level pieces of technology which don’t actually impact their usage at all. It was the same with systemd for at least a decade.

sunshine-o2• 8 months ago

One of the big problem I am/was facing with Wayland is the performance when accessing a VM with SPICE and virt-viewer. You basically had to use X11 on the host and the guest for everything to work in an optimal way.

Do anybody knows if any progress have been made on this front?

mhitza• 8 months ago

SPICE is slowly being phased out by Redhat, so I'm doubtful we'll see improvements on that front any time soon.

sunshine-o2• 8 months ago

That would be a bummer !

And with X11 support gone we would have to downgrade to VNC to access our VMs?

erelong• 8 months ago

I'm curious to what extent things in this article have been fixed:

"Think twice before abandoning X11. Wayland breaks everything!"

https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d...

In my experience Wayland always had problems, so depending on how XWayland works, I'd probably have to drop Gnome if there's no X11 support that's functional and I imagine a lot of others would need to do so (until X11 support is reinstated)

What are some better Gnome alternatives that support X11?

immibis2• 8 months ago

KDE, MATE, Cinnamon.

Gnome has been going in this direction for many years now, where it seems to ship based on the principle of "works on my machine." Gnome is also the driving force behind Wayland. Go figure.

coldtea• 8 months ago

Most of the arguments sound irrelevant:

Wayland breaks everything! It is binary incompatible, provides no clear transition path with 1:1 replacements for everything in X11, and is even philosophically incompatible with X11

Being binary compatible is a moot point, 1:1 replacement for "everything in X11" are not an issue if the subset you need works or has good replacements, and being "philosophically incompatible" is part of the point of using it.

Even the most basic, most simple things (like xkill) - in this case with no obvious replacement

Yes, you can't use Xkill to kill a Wayland-based application- wasn't that a given. You can use regular kill or whatever means your DE provides (several do).

If your workflows depend on regular use of xkill, you have bigger problems than it not being available for Wayland.

vrighter2• 8 months ago

yes but it's no good to me if wayland supports the subset of functionality that you use but not the subset that I need.

lloydatkinson• 8 months ago

I can’t believe apps still can’t position their own windows

immibis2• 8 months ago

It's a deliberate decision so it will never change. I'm not surprised that Wayland doesn't allow this (and a great many other things, e.g. window icons) but I am surprised that anyone uses Wayland despite that.

compsciphd• 8 months ago

one thing I've asked in the past, is there a headless vnc for use in a wayland only environment, ala xvncserver (and related forks)

hollow-moe• 8 months ago

Yes, there's a wayvnc project (you need a wlroots compositor tho, so no GNOME). You can start a compositor in headless mode and then connect to it with a fully wayland client like wlvncc

jaitaiwan• 8 months ago

My poor xrdp setup

aki237• 8 months ago

I have no idea what issues folks are talking about. I use vanilla gnome for my work and personal use case (given with well supported GPUs, read: no Nvidia). All the features work. Zoom/screen share/obs etc.,

Multi touch gestures work on laptops as smoothly as they were on a mac. HDR has started working recently even in my browser. VRR has been working for almost a couple of years.

It doesn't break, most mem leaks that gnome was known for all gone. Almost all the cli X specific tools I use (mostly clipboard stuff) are all available. Initially when I switched I did see like a 10~15% increase in battery usage albeit being smooth.

GNOME 50 completes the migration to Wayland, dropping X11 backend code

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