TSMC delays U.S. chip plant start to 2025 due to labor shortages

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Tech/Semiconductors/TSMC-delays-U.S.-chip-plant-start-to-2025-due-to-labor-shortages

by ironyman • 3 years ago

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ChatGTP2• 3 years ago

They are clever enough not to give away their shield...clever girl...

philipov• 3 years ago

This sounds like a Lenin quote.

ChatGTP2• 3 years ago

I don't care, if they didn't have that factory in Taiwan, there is no way the USA would be defending Taiwan like it is...why do you think the US want to build a factory in Phoenix?

The US has openly stated that it will scuttle the Taiwan factory if China invades.

mensetmanusman• 3 years ago

Where is the exhaustive list of jobs they are trying to fill with open reqs?

LatteLazy• 3 years ago

There is a very long list if you search linked in.

Personally, would you:

* move to Pheonix

* do shift work

* complete a special local college course at your own expense

* to work for a company with notoriously demanding standards for staff

and there are no salaries listed as far as I see...

sschueller2• 3 years ago

What kind of garbage output can we expect from such labor abuse? Even with testing and all those processes this has to increase costs?

Looking forward to my nvidea GPU failing a week into use...

m00x6• 3 years ago

Yes, and we should encourage people to go in this direction instead of becoming influencers, Youtubers, and models.

The West needs to start building again or it will become an extinct empire.

dunham• 3 years ago

The article says they’re looking for people who can install their equipment:

“We are encountering certain challenges, as there is an insufficient amount of skilled workers with the specialized expertise required for equipment installation in a semiconductor-grade facility,"

registeredcorn7• 3 years ago

As far as I can tell, there's something like 52 positions they are trying to fill. https://ro.careers.tsmc.com/search/?createNewAlert=false&q=&...

sylware2• 3 years ago

Skilled hardware technicians for such tools (some from ASML) have a sciences/maths background (no, javascript/c++ coder without such background does not cut it and where did you see "highly skilled" here??).

They need a lot of "training", so, if there is no long term outcome... that's going to be tough.

throw9away69• 3 years ago

Are the skills even transferable or are there so few companies that do this is a one company job

sylware2• 3 years ago

If I recall well a documentary about ASML, each photolitography tool has such trained individual attributed during its whole life time. And that was for "simple" DUV tools (immersion photolitography).

So for the EUV-HighNA tools...

abakker• 3 years ago

I suspect instead a wage shortage, not a lack of people to hire.

schnitzelstoat2• 3 years ago

I'm not so sure - this is incredibly technical work so it doesn't ring as hollow as it does when McDonald's or whatever claim the same.

newsclues• 3 years ago

A lot of the work is actually just working with dangerous chemicals, and isn't a technical desk job with prestige.

It's factory work!

itake6• 3 years ago

My family member works at TSMC. Last I talked to him (8mo ago), American engineers quit left and right due to working conditions and pay.

intrasight• 3 years ago

As any economist would tell you, "Labor Shortage" is a myth in any industry.

maldev• 3 years ago

Hardware (And even embedded programming) pays absolute ass since it's all outsourced to Asia. Zero reason not to do literally any other job which will use the same skills, and pay double. Bringing it to America, means upping the salaries to match what Americans expect, and alot of jobs just lowball still.

gloryjulio• 3 years ago

I agree. Labor shortage is mostly just lowball pay most the time. List the work and salary range and then let's see if it's a real shortage

nine_zeros• 3 years ago

It is also a shortage of workers willing to take slave driving conditions.

api• 3 years ago

For something as exotic as chip manufacture, you genuinely can have a labor shortage. We are idiots not to immediately green light any visas for people with these skills.

It can also happen for skilled craft professions. It takes time to train people in that stuff, and if there's been a prolonged period of reduced investment in domestic manufacturing we might genuinely not have enough. Sometimes not having key people like welders, electricians, skilled plumbers, etc. can hold up a project since other things depend on those things.

You could argue that it still ultimately is a wage shortage, but even if the wages are high it takes time to train.

It will take a while for the US to rebuild domestic manufacturing capacity and talent base, but we can do it.

FirmwareBurner5• 3 years ago

but even if the wages are high it takes time to train

Exactly. There's also a brain surgeon shortage even though salaries are great, but not everyone has the will, skills, time, money and patience to study and become a credentialed brain surgeon despite the high pay.

Same with semi jobs, you need a hard science background that not everyone has or is willing to go through, including SW devs. Increasing wages might not fix the shortage because not everyone who can do other well paid jobs, can also do semi work.

javajosh2• 3 years ago

Sometimes not having key people like welders, electricians

I would add to this list the specialized construction workers and engineers who can build the buildings required to house a fab. This is similarly specialized, I imagine, as things like hospital construction. You can't just pull 100 crews used to building homes and say "Hey build this fab mkay?"

joncrane• 3 years ago

We are idiots not to immediately green light any visas for people with these skills.

Are we, though? Isn't there some potential for industrial espionage? You know, the kind where the people that desperately want that tech for themselves are kind of the enemy of the main people that have that tech?

ghaff2• 3 years ago

Yes, although paying people arbitrarily large amounts makes most shortages go away.

That said, there are a ton of things with a large labor component--and probably most things have a large labor component if you look far enough up the chain--that myself and others will just find a way of doing without if the price increases by 2x/3x/4x/10x.

red-iron-pine6• 3 years ago

For something as exotic as chip manufacture, you genuinely can have a labor shortage. We are idiots not to immediately green light any visas for people with these skills.

All evidence suggests these roles pay between 50-70k USD, require insane hours, and a short course at the local community college is all it takes to be qualified (or qualified enough) to do the job.

For high-end computer-engineering grads? absolutely. For the fork-and-spoon operators in sector 7-G who just press the buttons? nah.

They ain't trying to recruit PhDs or brain surgeons, and may be trying to drag their feet as they do so.

monsieurgaufre• 3 years ago

Most definitely.

phil21• 3 years ago

I suspect this is just the start of such stories being an extremely common theme for almost all industry other than white collar prestige careers moving forward.

The demographics are pretty much written in stone at this point for the foreseeable future.

polski-g• 3 years ago

The world is running out of children:

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_pr...

And soon, the world will run out of people:

https://twitter.com/dylanmatt/status/1676590258857603076

beanjuiceII• 3 years ago

what evidence do you have to suspect that? any info on current wages in that field vs what TSMC were offering etc?

kibwen2• 3 years ago

Labor is a market, which means that the only two possibilities are 1) the offered pay is too low, 2) literally nobody in the entire country exists with these skills (in which case, the company needs to pony up the money to train them).

registeredcorn7• 3 years ago

Not OP, but here's a link to their job listings for AZ. I checked a few random job descriptions and none of them mentioned hourly wage/salary, which is usually a bad sign.

https://ro.careers.tsmc.com/search/?createNewAlert=false&q=&...

On an interesting note, I did notice the wording of what was said in the article was odd

[...] skilled workers and technicians needed to move equipment into the facility.
[...] specialized expertise required for equipment installation in a semiconductor-grade facility

This doesn't sound so much like the day-to-day factory work that they struggling to hire for, but more so something like: delivery of equipment, warehouse receiving, and equipment install & maintenance personnel.

teeray2• 3 years ago

The evidence is an informal thought experiment: if the salary was $100 million for each position, they would have every role filled. Therefore, there must exist a clearing price for each role between $0 and $100 million such that each role would be filled at or above it (and below which it would not be filled). If there are unfilled roles, it is because the role is below the clearing price.

EDIT: all other effects can be ameliorated eventually by paying more. If there isn’t enough specialized labor for the role, the unspecialized labor will be incentivized to specialize themselves. If there isn’t enough labor in the local market, they will move there.

throw9away69• 3 years ago

I think they were offering like 140 for senior positions. There was a post 3-6 months back I can’t find it at the moment

throw9away69• 3 years ago

Someone posted some jobs listings a while back. They pay on the low end and they want a lot of work in return. It’s not surprising at all.

metaphor4• 3 years ago

I suspect not...

BLS national semiconductor industry-specific occupational employment data[1] circa 2022 suggests there are roughly as many 15-1252 title-specific "Software Developers"[2] (13,220) as there are all positions categorized under 49-0000 "Installation, Maintenance, and Repair Occupations"[3] (13,410)...never mind that what requires specialized handling is bleeding edge ASML EUV tech for which there is a single deeply backlogged global source of, substantially increasing risk to TSMC at what is clearly a critical phase.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/naics4_334400.htm

[2] https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/naics4_334400.htm#15-0000

[3] https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/naics4_334400.htm#49-0000

somerandomqaguy• 3 years ago

Sorta. If the internet is to believed:

“The reality for people from Taiwan is that they are doing even more than 12-hour days often,” said the American engineer on Glassdoor. “There’s also the night shifts and weekend shifts on duty and/or on call.”

- https://www.eetimes.com/tsmcs-arizona-culture-clash/

“Sure, TSMC might allow a reasonable expression of opinion [on work-related matters]—but only from an engineer or deputy manager to the department manager,” Joey, who has worked as a 5-nanometer chip engineer for TSMC in Taiwan for nearly six years, told Fortune. “It’s impossible for managers to express their opinions to upper-level management. This simply cannot be done,” Joey said. (He asked to be identified only by his nickname due to fear of reprisals.)
[...]
“Our salary is only [for] 10 hours [a day], [but] we don’t leave until we’re done. And we’ve never been willing to report it,” a member of a private 85,000-person Facebook group for current and former employees of TSMC in Taiwan wrote in February.

- https://fortune.com/2023/06/03/tsmc-arizona-plant-jobs-salar...

This doesn't sound like it's only a wage problem. This sound like TSMC trying to use a work culture that just doesn't mesh with what Americans are willing to tolerate.

glimshe• 3 years ago

Pay high enough and people will tolerate everything that you describe.

Just imagine if every chip assembly worker made 500K/year - would they care that upper management isn't listening? No, they wouldn't. Would they be okay with 12h/day? A lot of people absolutely would.

The problem is rock bottom pay for rock bottom work environment.

m00x6• 3 years ago

Unfortunately, this will set America behind.

Big tech all had employees working 10-16h days in the beginning. Even now, software startups are working their employees hard. If Americans aren't willing to work extra hard, we're heading towards what happening in Europe (negative GDP growth, increasing wealth gap, high youth unemployment).

WarOnPrivacy• 3 years ago

https://archive.is/HdLIo

namaria8• 3 years ago

Considering TSMC corporate culture and staffing practices, and the scale of raw material and supply chain complexity needed for advanced integrated circuits manufacturing - most of which China dominates - I think we're in a bind here. It was the overlap of American capital and engineering and East Asian resources and labor that made the current scale of compute possible.

As China absorbs Taiwan when their area denial capabilities become credible enough to keep the American navy away, we can expect an end to cheap compute. Either nationalists in Taiwan degrade assets enough or China simply shuts us out. But the second half of the 21st century won't be full of enterprise saas and a supercomputer on every pocket.

FirmwareBurner5• 3 years ago

we can expect an end to cheap compute

Hot take: If that means on-shored computing HW jobs back in the west, I'm all for it. I'm only upgrading my phone/PC every 6 years or so anyway, I can live with them being more expensive if they're made in the US/EU and provide local jobs.

Them being more expensive could also mean more focus on SW improvements and optimizations instead of throwing more HW resources at bloated and poorly written SW, more focus on longevity and repairability, and less e-waste for the environment, at the cost of corporate profits and the consoomerist attitude focused on hyping up this year's must-have "new-shiny" that's just 2% better than last year's "old-shiny". All I see is a win-win.

namaria8• 3 years ago

Fair points. Although if computers become more expensive the overall result is everyone becomes poorer.

Also, the energy transition towards decarbonization entails smart grids and intense use of computers for design, deployment and operation of a more diverse fleet of energy generating and storage assets.

People with the right skills might be better off, that's true.

spookie• 3 years ago

As China absorbs Taiwan when their area denial capabilities become credible enough to keep the American navy away

I don't think it's going to happen anytime soon

namaria8• 3 years ago

American generals have stated it could be as early as 2027 or 2030. When a country says they'll take land as soon as they can, I'm inclined to believe them. China missile deployment on South China sea is quickly becoming overwhelming.

FrustratedMonky• 3 years ago

This isn't unforeseen. The bind is understood and being anticipated, hence the recent incentives to build factories in the US.

What we are seeing is the 'uncomfortableness' of shifting gears. US workers adapting and learning, populations moving, etc...

Everyone complained when jobs left. Kind of funny we complain when jobs come back.

namaria8• 3 years ago

Foreseen doesn't mean fixable. The scale of production achieved in East Asia is unique and doesn't look reproducible elsewhere at the same price points.

mildchalupa• 3 years ago

TSMC is Taiwan's single largest strategic national interest. It was started with government investment and it likely remains under a degree of national control. If you replicate the fabs of TSMC in the US, Taiwan will lose its strategic bargening chip. Why have the US defend the island if it offers no additional value?

With no 2nd source supplier the US is in a position to provide strong deterrence against invasion.

Garvi• 3 years ago

If that's the only reason the US is continuously poking the Chinese panda, we should keep that in mind the next time they invoke the humanitarian card.

pdabbadabba• 3 years ago

It's possible to take this too far. I agree that TSMC is a major piece of the U.S.'s interest in Taiwan. but it's not the only thing. The U.S. supported Taiwan long before TSMC came around.

ericmay2• 3 years ago

It's not and let's refrain from characterizing complex geopolitical issues as simply the "US is continuously poking the Chinese panda" because it does all of us a disservice and lowers the bar.

Anyway - the United States places value on Taiwan not just because of TSMC (otherwise why was there value before TSMC even existed) but because Taiwan serves as a key piece in the so-called first island chain of US-allied nations that sit on the eastern coast of China. This includes Taiwan, but also Japan and others.

The reason today that America is very interested in Taiwan is because in the event of a Chinese invasion of Taiwan - American commitment to the Pacific comes in to question. Will the US respond to, and go directly to war with China? If it does, can it win? If it does, what other nations will come to the aid of the US (or China), and who will stay out? The key piece here is that it puts the American alliance system to the test and some (not I) question whether the United States is committed to defending other countries in the Pacific theater if it means a "real war" - i.e. Japan, Korea.

The US already doesn't need TSMC for any strategic purposes - while the loss of the fabs in Taiwan would be devastating to the world economy, America (and other nations for that matter) still produce semiconductors, just not quite as good. You can still build cars with Intel chips, but you aren't building the iPhone 16 with them. It's not an existential threat, though certainly a very bad thing.

Alternatively, if China were to invade Taiwan and the US failed to respond, that would be an existential threat to the United States because it would effectively kick the U.S. out of the Pacific and cause long standing allies such as Japan and Korea to play both sides instead of being firmly in America's camp.

Coming back to TSMC building a chip plant in the US - even if they were to (and they probably will) it won't really diminish or change the Taiwan Question and undoubtedly as part of increasing US defense aid to Taiwan the US is going to want to hedge its bets a bit and have an operational fab in the US so that if a war does break it the impacts are lessened. I don't see this as a change to US Pacific strategy because it's not a fundamental concern.

seatac763• 3 years ago

The comment belies basic geo political understanding. US for a change didn’t start the hostilities. It is China that has a stated policy of “de throning” the US and replacing the US led world order.

China’s actions have been equally concerning, the build up in South China Sea is a naked attempt at imperialistic expansion. Its activities on its land borders echo much of the same sentiment. It is a de facto revanchist power.

When an ex US colony Philippines invites the US to set up military bases it is not the US doing it, it’s because Philippines has concerns about China.

When S.Korea and Japan start putting differences aside it’s because they share a common threat perception of China.

Not to mention China’s abhorrent pillaging of technology, export of dystopian authoritarian control mechanism to government, and its human rights violations which you seem to ignore, yeah the US isn’t the problem here for a change. The CCP is an absolute challenge to liberal values it must absolutely be restrained. Taiwan is a small piece of that the game is much bigger.

krapht• 3 years ago

Why have the US defend the island if it offers no additional value?

The US defended S. Korea for ideological reasons, and it will do the same again.

But even if you're cynical about these sort of things, the TSMC plant in the US will only provide enough chips for DoD usage. It definitely can't support the commercial sector.

FirmwareBurner5• 3 years ago

the TSMC plant in the US will only provide enough chips for DoD usage

Huh? DoD doesn't use any TSMC fabs, they have their own security accredited fabs for that on US shore that mostly cater to US government customers and not much else.

Similarly, TSMC and most other consumer fabs, have no desire to take any DoD contracts in peace time, as the legal and security related paperwork are not worth the huge hassle and low margin prices the government is willing to pay in peace time compared to what Nvidia, AMD, Apple, etc. fork up.

CTDOCodebases• 3 years ago

"Why have the US defend the island if it offers no additional value?"

They won't. That's why they are cloning it in the west.

markus_zhang2• 3 years ago

Taiwan is a good bargain chip and has been one for many years, and also a good source of income for the US. You sound like US is doing Taiwan a favor but in reality all favors of Uncle Sam need...repay.

Like the Godfather.

jjk166• 3 years ago

The people with the expertise to design, setup, run, maintain, and improve the fabs will still be in Taiwan. The US will seek a secure source no matter what. By building fabs in the US, TSMC reduces the incentive for the US to bypass it and develop those expertise for themselves.

Conversely, if Taiwan relied on its fabs to incentivize protection, what happens after those fabs get destroyed in the opening minutes of the conflict?

HDThoreaun2• 3 years ago

Taiwan is a vital piece in the US’s first island chain policy of corralling China into the South China Sea. The whole plan falls apart without Taiwans naval backing.

schwoll• 3 years ago

The fact they chose Arizona to build this thing is mind boggling.

natnat• 3 years ago

There was a really good episode of the Odd Lots podcast where they discussed this. Arizona is a very favorable location for semiconductor fabs because there's a very low risk for natural disaster (no hurricanes or earthquakes), the temperature changes are relatively predictable, land and electricity are relatively cheap, and Intel already has a large fab there. Water is a little bit of a struggle, but they can buy water rights from farmers, who use most of Arizona's water.

koheripbal3• 3 years ago

Solar power is extremely cost effective in Arizona. It more than compensates for the additional heat. It also allows for cheaper data center hosting.

Kye• 3 years ago

> "but they can buy water rights from farmers, who use most of Arizona's water."

They probably waste less water, so this might be a net positive for the environment. Abuse of water rights given out in a very different time is a major point of contention in the desert region of the country.

crftr• 3 years ago

Arizona has a low chance of natural disasters, land is relatively cheap, and they're known for being tax competitive.

allenp• 3 years ago

As others have mentioned there is a large Intel fab (and other smaller fabs) in the area. I suspect this gives them insights into the feasibility of success there and also means there is an existing talent pool to draw from. It basically de-risks the investment. There are probably only a handful of likely places to do this - OR, CA, AZ, TX, maybe NY. Intel building in OH is more difficult from a bootstraping perspective.

genmud2• 3 years ago

It's dry, weather is consistent(though hot), has a robust power grid, has an engineering school who produces semiconductor grads, has a large pre-existing industrial base and has ready access to water (the plant is literally next to a 340 mile water canal that runs from the Colorado river and sits atop a water basin that has had water levels rising since the 80s).

I'm not sure there are many better places outside Oregon, California or Texas...

Nebruh• 3 years ago

labor shortages

There are more than 300 million people in the US. This is definitely a shortage, but this isn't a "labor" shortage. This is a "we're not willing to pay you enough why does nobody want to work" shortage.

Counterpoint - sending people from TSMC that already have hands on experience will make things much easier for them.

If they only want people like that, then yes, they can't just divide the facility in two, like a cell. They'll need to train more.

koheripbal3• 3 years ago

There are not 300 million ASML experienced engineers in the US.

If you are experienced with ASML machinery and are willing to more to Arizona, then you should contact TSMC, because they are paying over the market rate right now for those roles.

These Reddit-esque takes are not worthy of HN.

throw9away69• 3 years ago

Is market rate just really low for the role? Do you have any sources for over market rates?

DoughnutHole• 3 years ago

They’re not looking for minimum wage workers to assemble chips by hand - they’re looking for hundreds if not thousands of engineers and technicians with experience with advanced semiconductor manufacturing equipment. I’m sure the salaries are perfectly acceptable.

Sure there’s 300 million bodies in America, many of them appropriately skilled - how many engineers are there with the requisite experience that are open to work in Arizona?

I’m sure they could send hundreds of their own experts - if those workers weren’t needed for existing operations in Taiwan.

throw9away69• 3 years ago

At the salary provided and the work conditions described it’s probably mostly industry rejects and new hires

markus_zhang2• 3 years ago

I'd say it's more than wage. It's more about outsourcing manufacturing and other labors to Non US countries.

It's wage + education + a shift in mindset, which basically means you have to put a lot of elites into prison to achieve that.

You are going to touch the cake of a whole generation of aristocrats.

jacknews• 3 years ago

uh oh, isn't China's taiwan invasion scheduled for 2024?

anonymousiam• 3 years ago

Lack of skilled labor seems unlikely. Perhaps they believe that the US would be more willing to defend Taiwan if there was no alternative foundry in Arizona...

say_it_as_it_is• 3 years ago

Why live in a state that is running out of water? Isn't water necessary for chip-making, too?

Strom• 3 years ago

Water is also so essential that it's safe to assume there will be a solution. So it makes sense to look at other factors, which are less likely to be fixed as swiftly.

BillSaysThis• 3 years ago

Because water can just be manufactured? I don't understand your making that assumption when the states in the region, plus Mexico and Native tribes, are fighting over what's available.

tech_ken3• 3 years ago

I think the push to fab SCs in the US is going to quickly run up against the fact that consumer technology pricing is incompatible with our labor standards. We've spent the last 50+ years exploiting global wage inequality to flood the country with cheap consumer goods, and we've reached a point where our sense of self-satisfaction is entirely fused to the acquisition of these cheap goods. Along the way we've ceded a lot of ground in the way of healthy communities and a rich public sphere. National pride is only going to make up for so much when it causes the iPhone 16 to jump $500 and people are still stuck in their isolating suburban hellscape. IMO the only way for this to work in the long-term is a national reset about what "quality of life" really means, and I don't think our political class is willing to engage with all of the questions that will entail.

edit: "American Factory" is a really interesting documentary that covers something like this dynamic in the context of an auto-glass manufacturing facility. US workers fought hard for their labor rights and capital responded by fleeing the country to more permissive political regimes. We accepted this loss of jobs because it kept the all-import car prices down. Now that other countries are starting to eat our lunch in the global economy we're suddenly not so stoked about globalization, oh no the consequences of my own actions!!

riku_iki2• 3 years ago

"American Factory" is a really interesting documentary that covers something like this dynamic in the context of an auto-glass manufacturing facility.

probably fab employee adds more value, and can be paid much higher and work with higher labor standards.

tech_ken3• 3 years ago

If the product is being sold for less than its true value then the person making that product will be underpaid and/or overworked. Sure someone choosing between "glass factory" and "semiconductor fab" may choose the latter if they can, but that doesn't mean that they will get standards and pay commensurate with other jobs in the US requiring similar training or effort. Taiwanese labor standards are way lower than in the US, and the price-point of our consumer electronic goods requires that. Either the prices go up (and people get mad), the labor standards come down (and people get mad), or the tech companies accept lower profit margins (and capital owners get mad, and they tend to get their way). There's no magic fix to this trilemma, historically we've just moved the bad labor standards out of sight so US voters can get their labor standards and Tim Cook can get his ballooning valuation. One of these two things is going to have to give if we want to make chips on-shore.

WhereIsTheTruth• 3 years ago

I will never understand how they managed to convince TSMC to build a fab in the US, it's literally not competitive at all

What is the rational behind this choice?

Israel would have been a better choice

alephnerd• 3 years ago

Israel is expensive to fab because of a labor crunch with American companies (eg. Intel, Micron) offering competitive salaries and land prices being Silicon Valley level insane.

This was why Tower Semiconductors (Israel's version of TSMC) negotiated sweetheart deals to open a fab in the US, China, and India before canceling them after an acquisition offer from Intel as well as COVID related supply chain issues in China's case.

A similar labor crunch has started to occur in the cybersecurity industry in Israel as well as MNC salaries have begun to reach Seattle levels

Israel is an expensive country. It's literally the same size and population of the Bay Area, and has similarly high land prices. This is also a big reason a lot of Israelis started buying houses and apartments in settlements in the West Bank - for the same price you could get a crummy 2 bedroom apartment in TLV or Jerusalem, you could get a house in Ariel or Efrat instead

jmpman• 3 years ago

It’s quite competitive.

Some of the largest Intel fabs are 52 miles away. But TSMC screwed up when selecting a site in Phoenix. They built on the other side of town. Any engineer currently working at Intel would need to sell their house and move to the other side of town, or be subjected at a 90min commute each way. If their plan was to lure those engineers, they’re going to need to pay more or provide a better quality of life. They appear to plan neither.

esbranson• 3 years ago

If anyone has reason to believe that TSMC is gaming the US visa system, or even suspect it, they should probably give the United States a heads up.

https://www.uscis.gov/scams-fraud-and-misconduct/report-frau...

* The H-1B worker is not or will not be paid the wage certified on the Labor Condition Application (LCA).

* There is a wage disparity between H-1B workers and other workers performing the same or similar duties, particularly to the detriment of U.S. workers.

* The H-1B worker is not performing the duties specified in the H-1B petition, including when the duties are at a higher level than the position description.

* The H-1B worker has less experience than U.S. workers in similar positions in the same company.

* The H-1B worker is not working in the intended location as certified on the LCA.

TSMC delays U.S. chip plant start to 2025 due to labor shortages

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