Long Covid, Cognitive Impairment, and the Stalled Decline in Disability Rates

https://www.federalreserve.gov/econres/notes/feds-notes/long-covid-cognitive-impairment-and-the-stalled-decline-in-disability-rates-20220805.htm

by deegles • 4 years ago

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ceeplusplus2• 4 years ago

The data showing the difference between percentage of college graduates and noncollege graduates who believe they have long COVID seems to point to a placebo effect. I don't see why college grads and non-college grads would have any reason to be affected differently by a virus.

PraetorianGourd3• 4 years ago

Probably because they were able to work remotely at a higher rate and thus fewer were actually infected. Being diagnosed with COVID was not a prerequisite for this study.

epgui• 4 years ago

People with more (or later) education will often have better outcomes for things like Alzheimer’s Disease. It’s not unreasonable to think that education may have a protective role.

hericium• 4 years ago

I agree. Research papers and books (can currently think of one[1]) mention that there is more nicotine users among less-educated.

It's not far-fetched to assume that this substance is not atypical and educated people make in general more health-conscious choices.

[1] https://moleculeofmore.com/

PraetorianGourd3• 4 years ago

I would argue that education enables a lifestyle that is protective, rather than education itself.

matthewdgreen• 4 years ago

One theory is that educated people compensate better for decline on cognitive tests, basically by “muscling through it”. I’ve heard it doesn’t change the overall course of the disease much but it does make the decline less noticeable in the early stages.

cameldrv• 4 years ago

There is now fairly substantial evidence that COVID can cause your brain to physically shrink. Maybe some people experience a placebo effect, but long COVID is clearly a real, physical disease at this point.

mudx• 4 years ago

College graduates may be less likely to be exposed to larger quantities of COVID molecules (e.g. driving via car, vs taking the subway, or any other number of possibilities), or perhaps they had better treatment of their COVID due to their financial capabilities.

hyperpape• 4 years ago

Far too quick. Of course, there isn't a direct causal connection between college degrees and severity of Covid, but there are huge average differences between more and less educated individuals, including lots of health related outcomes. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2021/03/17/educated... (chosen basically at random, basically any relevant google search will get you many articles saying similar things).

It's also unbelievable that these groups don't differ in frequency of having Covid, vaccination rates, likelihood of having had Covid in 2020 vs. post vaccination, etc. Since we know vaccination has some protective effect against long-covid, that's another factor.

This doesn't mean these reports reflect underlying reality permanently (maybe a desk jockey reports disability differently than someone with a physically demanding job, maybe other factors make people less likely to report). But there are plenty of ways education can predict outcomes that aren't just reporting bias.

brnaftr361• 4 years ago

Obesity among college graduates is relatively low in aggregate, and obesity is associated with LC.

cjbgkagh7• 4 years ago

There are strong selection criteria biases at work here; this does not indicate psychosomatic.

taeric3• 4 years ago

I think you are right, but I don't think placebo necessarily means psychosomatic. Does it?

wesleywt• 4 years ago

No, the data does not show placebo effect.

Reason: College grads are more likely to get vaccinated against COVID than non-grads. Leading to a reduction in symptom severity and perhaps long covid.

https://healthpolicy.usc.edu/evidence-base/education-is-now-...

ceeplusplus2• 4 years ago

But there could be other causes. You are operating under the default assumption long COVID must exist. But non-grads on average are poorer, work in different environments, and have different health (i.e. obesity and diabetes) than grads. There could be any number of underlying health conditions causing brain fog and other long COVID symptoms. Obesity and diabetes are known to impact brain function and are correlated with Alzheimer's. Sedentary lifestyles and poor diet can also lead to low energy.

The reason I say placebo is because any of these pre-existing conditions could be blamed on long COVID. Think about it: you don't know much about diseases, you see CNN/Fox News/MSNBC talking about long COVID. You think to yourself, hey I've got those symptoms! You blame long COVID, even though the underlying cause could have been obesity, diabetes, sedentary lifestyle, diet, etc.

We know obesity is harmful yet the fat acceptance movement exists. Do you think those people are going to blame their symptoms on their obesity?

newsclues• 4 years ago

Education levels tracked the acceptance of masking and vaccination, and the political divide that has emerged from Trump.

I think highly educated people are often simply indoctrinated with facts and beliefs rather than trained to be intelligent and knowledgeable.

m1sta_• 4 years ago

Education is about using intelligence not gaining it. That said, in practice knowledge can be more useful than intelligence if the circumstances presented fit the available knowledge well.

bicijay4• 4 years ago

Anecdote, had covid in the end of 2020, still dont feel 100%, maybe i just grew old while sick and thats just life, but i feel like shit comparable to what i felt before it.

daflip• 4 years ago

this is exactly me also

monetus• 4 years ago

Work on lung exercises for fatigue.

I have had health complications that caused the same problem as long covid seemingly causes; tiny tiny clots wreaking havoc on capillaries. I think it depends on where the viral load landed and grew, but if it was in your lungs, you would maybe need to treat it as if you have chronic bronchitis.

If it was in your sinuses and mouth, messing up your senses, then I'm sorry, idk what to do. ...maybe a similar approach with anti-inflammatories, hopefully something for your nerves too.

Hope you're good atm

bicijay4• 4 years ago

Yeah, had literally 100s of lab tests, all came back ok. Exercise intolerance for at least an year. But im slowly getting back on form, gym doesnt kill me anymore. Still have some random digestion issues, slightly elevated HR and just generally feeling worse than before. But ill look into lung exercises, thank you for the tip

guestbest• 4 years ago

How much did you self isolate? I’ve noticed that the elderly who self isolated while having it or being around partners who had it have gone through a marketed mental decline. I think physical declines are probably there as well especially as we all age it is difficult to turn back the clock in physical fitness, past 35 more so.

mirekrusin• 4 years ago

I'd argue that it feels precisely like that - that you became old in last months.

loxias• 4 years ago

This is me also. I was also isolated seeing only one other human for the entirety of COVID (including now, but I'm gonna move soon so I can at least go into a physical office). I feel like my brain still works at lots of stuff, once it gets going, but I forget what I'm doing randomly and I think I used to be not _THIS_ bad at interacting with other humans :/

ETH_start6• 4 years ago

Isolation is associated with much higher risk of serious health conditions:

https://www.cdc.gov/aging/publications/features/lonely-older...

Humans are social animals. COVID response policy to encourage more physical isolation could have deadly implications.

binkHN• 4 years ago

It's not just you. I know a physically fit personal trainer that has had long COVID for over 8 months now.

marginalia_nu• 4 years ago

Yeah, I'm definitely not where I was before. Dunno if it's the effects of covid, but social isolation and lack of physical exercise certainly hasn't done my overall well-being any favors either.

dustinmoris2• 4 years ago

It's not just you. I know someone who had Long COVID for 1 month. I also know someone who works with someone who was running marathons every weekend and now they can't walk stairs because of knee pain, all because of COVID. I know someone else who had COVID and then was not doing any sport or social interaction for almost two years, barely left the house and who feels much more tired and depressed now, because of COVID. I know a child, who had COVID, then didn't have proper education for nearly two years and now is really underdeveloped, because of COVID of course.

ETH_start6• 4 years ago

I've heard numerous stories like yours, except about getting the COVID vaccine.

Anecdotes are really not useful for teasing out general effects.

hackerlight3• 4 years ago

That's abstractly true, but in this case we also have studies that show long COVID, including one that compared brain scans before and after COVID and could see macro brain damage. The brain is an incredibly delicate organ, it isn't surprising that a severe virus can do damage do it.

nope96• 4 years ago

34,423 subscribers:

https://old.reddit.com/r/covidlonghaulers/

I wonder if some % of the population can be extrapolated from that

User23• 4 years ago

I wonder how much of the covid related long term cognitive impairment is due to the marked lockdown induced increase in alcohol consumption[1]. I’m assuming that if deaths increased other than death bad outcomes probably increased too.

Edit: I see nothing in the submission showing there’s no substance abuse effect, clearly or otherwise.

[1] https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/news-events/research-update/deaths...

yomkippur• 4 years ago

No the data clearly shows this is independent of substance use.

krono6• 4 years ago

Funny, I was just searching if the temperature dysregulation - randomly sweating and feeling hot or cold without a change in body temperature - might have anything to do with my covid infection two months ago (the answer seems to be: maybe, who knows!).

kylehotchkiss• 4 years ago

I’ve been feeling that a lot since I caught Covid a few months back too, thanks for mentioning, now I can look it up in context

krono6• 4 years ago

It's mentioned in most official resources that I've come across as a potential "long-covid" symptom, but I don't recall ever having seen it listed as one of the researched criteria - those seem mostly limited to just the (I suppose much more prevalent) cognitive impairments and exhaustion as in the linked article also.

kevingadd• 4 years ago

FYI, temperature dysregulation can be a common sign of hormonal balance issues (thyroid, etc could be a factor), so if it's causing you a lot of trouble you should see if your doctor can check the levels of key hormones. IIRC testosterone and estrogen are two key ones that can be out of whack for various reasons and will cause temperature dysregulation. The test is pretty cheap and easy to do with a regular blood draw so it shouldn't be too hard to get it done if they haven't already checked it before.

krono6• 4 years ago

Cheers, I'll bring it up with the doc!

Luckily he's one to take it well when his patients bring up internet-sourced thoughts or suggestions :)

cjbgkagh7• 4 years ago

Thermogenesis is controlled by the autonomic nervous system (ANS), dysfunction of the ANS is called dysautonomia and it is a central component to Long Covid. There are a variety of medical interventions that are helpful for dysautonomia.

krono6• 4 years ago

The light searching I've been doing since my last comment had indeed been leading me in that direction. I even came across a mention of this here on HN from a few months ago[1]. A sibling comment to yours also suggested a hormonal imbalance as a possible cause which can't hurt getting myself checked for.

Some anacdata: This strange temperature dysregulation feels somewhat similar to what a too high dosage of my ADHD meds does to me.

Anyway thanks for your comment. I'll be seeing a doctor about this for sure.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31512100

dustinmoris2• 4 years ago

It's definitely a symptom of COVID. I know someone who had COVID and one day they coughed suddenly, dropped their iPhone on the floor and since then even the iPhone's temperature sensor doesn't work anymore. This is how infectious and terrible COVID is, just one cough caused the loss of temperature sensation!

chaosbolt• 4 years ago

long-term COVID symptoms are much more prevalent among women, adults under 65, Hispanics and Latinos, and non–college graduates than among other demographic groups.

Weird

wongarsu• 4 years ago

“adults under 65, Hispanics and Latinos, and non–college graduates“ all correlate with things like "people doing blue-collar work"

Avshalom• 4 years ago

Yeah, part of the consensus as far as I know is that the best way to avoid long covid is to basically be a absolute couch potato for a month post infection. which of course, you can't do if you have to back to a physical job as soon as soon as possible.

PaulKeeble• 4 years ago

ME/CFS is known to impact 2 women to every 1 man and auto immune conditions tend to follow that pattern due to the differences between men and women when it comes to immune response. As to the social economic factors its probably an ability to isolate from catching the virus, "key workers" were forced to catch it whereas college graduates will have had the ability to work from home and avoid it, many still are and certainly after vaccinations unlike manual workers.

spapas826• 4 years ago

I was sick with covid for around five days 2 months ago. I had high fever, tiredness, pain on my body and coughing.

After I felt better I observed that I was feeling much more tired than I usually felt.

Now, after two months I feel a little better but not that much... Could this be related to my covid infection? Is there a way to improve my situation?

I did a normal check up but didn't get anything abnormal...

leetrout• 4 years ago

My doc said i was fine too after having covid twice in 9 weeks.

I am still getting winded easily and while i was already out of shape i notice after riding a bike or being active for a full day i still feel bad the following day

saila• 4 years ago

Additional anecdata: This is similar to what happened to me. I got covid earlier this year and had it bad for a week, had stuffiness and a possible sinus infection for a few weeks, and was tired all the time for a few weeks after that. The coughing lingered for a while too. Eventually I got back to normal just waiting it out (disclaimer: this is not a recommendation).

spapas826• 4 years ago

Glad you are better! How much time did it take to improve? I have heard of people that were feeling worse for months after their infection ...

zdragnar• 4 years ago

My brother's heart and lung health suffered extensively after his second bout with COVID. O2 uptake is somewhat diminished, and resting heart rate is still very high. Walking up two flights of stairs requires a 5 to 10 minute sit down as he is completely winded by the time he gets to the top.

If any of that sounds familiar, you may want to get some more extensive tests done. I don't know what will come of it, pretty much the only thing that has helped my brother so far is a regular low dose of Benadryl. There's a bit of edgy research or internet driven anecdata (not sure which) that led him to try it, but it is better than nothing, at least.

mynameishere• 4 years ago

regular low dose of Benadryl

That supposedly can cause dementia. Just FYI.

spapas826• 4 years ago

My symptoms are definitely not that significant. My O2 is > 98% (and never fell below even when I had the covid) and I can easily ascend stairs. I only feel that I am more tired than before the covid.

pfisherman• 4 years ago

Another anecdote. I also experienced a long tail of symptoms - randomly getting tired, cough inability to write coherent paragraphs after getting COVID.

I found that exercising - starting with 10 min yoga / stretching and then slowly ramping up over 1-2 weeks - got me back to normal.

ohCh6zos• 4 years ago

My experience is very similar to yours. COVID let me feeling very negative but build up to doing a good deal of cardio every day seem to have fixed it.

programmarchy• 4 years ago

Funny, had the same happen to me. Thought maybe it was a coincidence, but getting back into my cardio routine eliminated the lingering fatigue I had after Covid, too.

spapas826• 4 years ago

Thank you for the info and I'm glad that it gets better for you. I had stopped going to the gym because I wanted to rest and because of summer but I will definitely start it again (mainly low impact resistance training) in the following days and see how it works for me!

AnthonBerg• 4 years ago

I am sorry that you have been burdened with this. Fatigue is indeed a known long-term symptom which is not uncommon after the “acute phase”.

In a tweet, here’s the start of a trail of very good information from solid research into these conditions: https://twitter.com/putrinolab/status/1557403364941496320

spapas826• 4 years ago

Very interesting info, thank you. It's nice to know that there's a measurable way to know if you've got long covid!

LiminalFrame• 4 years ago

Some avenues to consider/investigate (consult with your doctor before trying any treatment, but expect to hear "there's no reason to believe that will work" in many cases):

FLCCC I-RECOVER protocol: https://covid19criticalcare.com/covid-19-protocols/i-recover...

"Could tiny blood clots cause Long COVID's puzzling symptoms?" (article reports some people have had success with anti-coagulant therapies, but be especially careful with those): https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-02286-7

Theory of Long COVID as Mast Cell Activation Syndrome (from one of the physicians who pioneered use of fluvoxamine in treatment): https://twitter.com/farid__jalali/status/1315060197988036608

From personal anecdata, I took a PQQ/CoQ10/NAC combo supplement recommended by the local supplements store after both of my two infections, and have never had any long-term symptoms. NAC in particular seems to show up often in the various recovery protocols that are floating around.

spapas826• 4 years ago

Thank you very much for the information, I will research it more and try the supplements

swader999• 4 years ago

This protocol is what solved it for me.

pezo19196• 4 years ago

This is a nice summary.

Also add, that breaking microclots is the main goal not necessarily with anti-coagulants, they are similar but not the same. Anti fibrinogens are more useful in that post covid phase and it has been shown that live virus DOES live in those microclots so that's why antivirals (eg lysine, shown to bind to spike protein and also wide spectrum antiviral) to be used together with them.

Check out dr Gustavo Aguirre's work, he was months early every time.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/344325326_COVID-19_...

somewhereoutth• 4 years ago

“Good health is a crown on the head of a well person that only a sick person can see.”

- Robin Sharma

hn_throwaway_992• 4 years ago

Going to tread lightly here, but here is the section on 4 "facts" about long COVID:

In this note, I use two survey datasets to document four facts about long COVID in the United States. First, long-term COVID symptoms are much more prevalent among women, adults under 65, Hispanics and Latinos, and non–college graduates than among other demographic groups. Second, COVID "long haulers" cite specific physical and cognitive impairments commonly associated with the condition in media and medical reporting. Third, the share of working-age adults reporting serious difficulty remembering, concentrating, or making decisions has risen steadily since the start of the pandemic. Fourth, growing shares of women and of non–college graduates report simultaneously (i) being out of the labor force due to disability and (ii) experiencing these cognitive difficulties.

I'm generally interested in a good summary of what medical research tells us about long COVID. Reason being I think it's fair to hypothesize that the following facts are at least fair confounding factors:

1. Whenever economic situations become weaker, disability rates rise. This is largely because people who are "on the cusp" may find it worth it to find a job in good times, but in bad times find it's not worth it to "push through" their disability.

2. There has been so much news coverage about long COVID that it's difficult for me to tell how it compares to other long term viral syndromes. E.g. infection with Epstein Barr virus has long been implicated in a lost of long term conditions like CFS and MS. Is long COVID more common in COVID sufferers than these other syndromes are in EB infection?

3. There have been huge societal changes that have occurred in the past couple years that can make it difficult to tease out the effects of COVID alone.

Not trying to discount any individual suffering from long COVID symptoms, but I think caution is warranted when trying to ascertain the effects at a society-wide level, especially when all the data for this article appears to come from self-reports.

strogonoff• 4 years ago

COVID is definitely not the only case where acute form might shift into a chronic one. For a recent overview see, e.g., Unexplained post-acute infection syndromes[0].

As of now, the true extent of PAISs remains uncertain, as there is a significant risk that a lot of cases, especially under sporadic circumstances, remain unrecognized.
The research that is available concentrates on PAISs in the context of either well-monitored acute infectious diseases, or as a follow-up of outbreaks and epidemics.

[0] https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01810-6

AnonCoward422• 4 years ago

And I want to add that side effects of the vaccination are often treated as long COVID as well. Long COVID is a representation of symptoms, therefore this is not unusual that it is classified the same, however one might mistake these as virus related when some are not.

pezo19196• 4 years ago

They are very similar, but if you have the data from both set you can clearly see the difference.

Unfortunately both long covid and vaccine side effects are underplayed.

dmix• 4 years ago

I'm generally interested in a good summary of what medical research tells us about long COVID.

Has there been any good summaries?

dogmatism• 4 years ago

Yes, Eric Topol wrote one up for the LA times recently

nradov• 4 years ago

You might want to start with some of the original articles on post-viral fatigue syndrome going back to the 1980's. I suspect there's not much really new with long COVID.

https://doi.org/10.1177/014107688808100608

__derek__• 4 years ago

E.g. infection with Epstein Barr virus has long been implicated in a lost of long term conditions like CFS and MS.

Sorry for the complete non sequitur, but this is the first time I've seen a reference to Epstein-Barr outside of the Sopranos (Tony's sister Janice is on disability because of it). I had no idea it was linked to MS.

astrange• 4 years ago

That was only reported pretty recently.

astura• 4 years ago

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/study-s...

Terretta• 4 years ago

These four observations sound like a Rorschach test.

If one thinks “long COVID” is imaginary, one can read these facts as confirmation of placebo effects or mass sociogenic illness.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_psychogenic_illness

Or, if one thinks it’s plausible, each can be read the other way, for instance:

> long-term COVID symptoms are much more prevalent among women, adults under 65, Hispanics and Latinos, and non–college graduates than among other demographic groups

OK, so groups least likely to choose to isolate, or be able to isolate (because they have to work).

> Second, COVID "long haulers" cite specific physical and cognitive impairments commonly associated with the condition in media and medical reporting.

Put another way, reporting and media sound like what people cite.

> Third, the share of working-age adults reporting serious difficulty remembering, concentrating, or making decisions has risen steadily since the start of the pandemic.

Condition attributed to a disease known to be experienced by a steadily increasing population share, steadily increases share reporting — confirmed!

> Fourth, growing shares of women and of non–college graduates report simultaneously (i) being out of the labor force due to disability and (ii) experiencing these cognitive difficulties.

So these go together, and see #1 — everything is as expected.

Remarkable how simultaneously contradictory all four interpretations can be, almost as if crafted to be so.

hn_throwaway_992• 4 years ago

To emphasize, though, and the point I was trying to make is that it's possible (and I think likely) that both of these statements are true:

1. Long COVID is a real disease that can cause debilitating symptoms.

2. A significant number of people who claim to suffer from Long COVID actually suffer from something else.

The only thing that puts me more in the "I think #2 is a lot more prevalent than people think" camp is the astronomical amount of press that "Long COVID" has received, coupled with the fact that the majority of people in the US have been exposed to COVID, so it's easy to attribute any general feeling of being unwell (e.g. fatigue, brain fog, etc.) to the fact that you probably had COVID in the not-too-distant past.

pezo19196• 4 years ago

If you are truly interested do more research focusing on clotting/microclotting. Dr Gustavo Aguirre is a true pioneer, his protocols (and others' protocols) which are based on that truly work, I manage a long covid group with 6K people.

refurb3• 4 years ago

Derek Lowe did a nice write up of a serious study that found 189 long Covid cases and 120 controls. PCR positive and having long term Covid symptoms was the inclusion criteria.

They then did a massive battery of tests - inflammation biomarkers, nerve damage biomarkers, lung function, congestive ability, etc.

And the conclusion? There was no difference between the groups: there are no diagnostic findings that would allow you to even say for sure that post-Covid even exists, biochemically.

https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/search-long-covid

pjc50• 4 years ago

That just means there's no diagnostic test, not that the symptoms aren't real! There aren't biomarkers for chronic pain, either, which presents a serious problem for people seeking treatment.

This is the "I closed your bug report because it works on my machine" of medicine.

edejong2• 4 years ago

As a software engineer I have a wide variety of tests to my disposal. Still, there are things which I would not be able to test for. EM interference between chips in a data center. Row-hammer attacks. Clock jitter. My running processes would fail, but there is no way for me to prove a specific cause.

So we search deeper. And sometimes we find something: https://mylongcoviddiaries.medium.com/i-finally-have-a-diagn...

jdkee• 4 years ago

Q: How do you distinguish Long COVID from similar diseases like fibromyalgia?

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/fibromyalgia/...

pezo19196• 4 years ago

Long covid is mainly about microclotting and its 1000 downstream effects which can cause MANY different symptoms. Most times root cause is microclotting though, this can be shown by diagnostics as well.

invitrom• 4 years ago

I am unable to work for 18 months now. My covid infection was very mild and I was completely healthy before.

pezo19196• 4 years ago

Please check my previous comments, there is way out for most long haulers.

ETH_start6• 4 years ago

This is NOT based on controlled studies:

>Newly available data from the Household Pulse Survey—an experimental Census Bureau product launched at the start of the pandemic—provide the first large-scale, population-level detail on the prevalence of long COVID.2 Starting with the survey's June 2022 wave, respondents who report having had a diagnosed case of COVID are asked,
>"Did you have any symptoms lasting 3 months or longer that you did not have prior to having coronavirus or COVID-19?"

We have no idea if it was COVID that was responsible for these symptoms (the most common of which is anxiety) or a response to COVID, like stress, or two weeks isolation after diagnosis, or the pandemic-related restrictions on social interaction.

The best evidence available suggests most cases of "long COVID" are misattribution:

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullar...

Arete314159• 4 years ago

Those of us who had post-infectious disability were screaming about this since early 2020, unfortunately we were ignored in favor of "experts" who suggested we should let a virus with unknown long-term side effects rip through the country.

I've seen estimates as high as 4 million Americans out of work due to being disabled with Long Covid. Add some more people who now can't work because they are taking care of disabled family members.

To me, the only news story that really matters is that we're crippling 2 million+ working age Americans a year, many of them concentrated in very high need areas such as nursing. At this rate, hospitals and schools will functionally (if not officially) collapse within the next few years at most.

A country where you cannot go to the ER when you're sick because there is nobody there to work the ER, and a country where there are no teachers and they've had to bring out the national guard to merely babysit students, is a failed state.

Wowfunhappy• 4 years ago

unfortunately we were ignored in favor of "experts" who suggested we should let a virus with unknown long-term side effects rip through the country.

What expert was suggesting that in 2020? As I recall, we shut down schools and restaurants and basically everything else we could for more than a year, except for very limited re-openings (e.g. outdoor dining, in the dead of winter) months later.

We couldn't shut down everything because people need grocery stores to get food!

spookthesunset3• 4 years ago

Even then there was never any guarantee that shutting everything down would make an impact greater than the costs. The idea that all these lockdowns did anything meaningful at all is still an open question. The fact it is an open question means 1) it never should have been done and 2) its costs have to completely outweigh any benefit.

For the lockdowns and all the other nonsense you should see at least an order of magnitude difference between places that instituted them and those that didn’t. It shouldn’t require fancy statistics or expensive studies to confirm. It should be complete obvious to any reasonable person there was a very large difference.

pezo19196• 4 years ago

Been into the topic since the earliest days of long covid, Apr 2020.

If you have issues make sure you have dealt with possible microclotting issues, it is the main thing everyone must check/treat who had covid.

As others mentioned in thread, check FLCCC's IRecover protocol and also study antifibrinogens and Gustavo Aguirre's work. He was months before anyone else from the start regarding both covid and post covid treatment.

I myself manage a hungarian long covid group with almost 6K people now, started 1.5 years ago. Curating resources, translating studies, gathering good docs and protocols.

List of treatments to have a look at: lysine (2000-2500mg, slowly increasing not to break microclots too fast), lumbrokinase/nattokinase/serrapeptase/bromelain, high dose B1 (even 2000-3000mg HCl form), in case of brain fog you might consider fluvoxamine, and of course there is the one which helped A LOT of long haulers I know but is censored...: www.ivmmeta.com Also diet/antihistamines might help for some and in case of low energy (if microclots are surely gone, if not I'd focus on it first) then high dose flush niacin. Proved many times.

It is so absurd they can still censor it and that many docs blindly following orders.

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