WWDC 2019 Keynote Livestream

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by AlexeyBrin • 7 years ago

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Tomte• 7 years ago

Much useful stuff, but why oh why can't I tag photos? Or have a sane folder management in Photos?[0] Or edit MP3 metadata in Music?

There's lots of low-hanging fruit on iOS. But they've been left hanging for years now.

[0] Despite that I've taken the plunge into managing all my photos on iPad's Photo app. But it's painful.

sebazzz• 7 years ago

One thing I'm missing is a decent way to monitor your data plan[0]. Even my previous Windows Mobile 10 (formerly Windows Phone) had this.

[0] Yes, there is something, but it doesn't reset automatically. It doesn't limit. It doesn't notify. It is not more useful than the packet count of the TCP/IP properties in Windows.

ixtli3• 7 years ago

This is a good example of how the consumer pays for so-called "competition" between service providers. The practical effect is that they collude to fix prices and never work with downstream/upstream companies to provide obvious features like the one you're asking for.

JustSomeNobody• 7 years ago

There was something on a slide of iOS13 about a "low data mode". I am curious what that might be and if they'll revamp how you monitor your data usage.

ixtli3• 7 years ago

I think its a big deal that they're able to capitalize on the user data abuses of Google and Facebook by making a single sign in service simply because "we wont give everyone your entire contact list when you click this button."

oh_hello• 7 years ago

Sign in the Apple is a great idea for users. I can see developers not wanting to adopt it due to loss of customer data. I'm curious to see how adoption plays out.

alexashka2• 7 years ago

I don't get iPadOS - it's just macOS with every power user feature disabled.

But then again, I just don't get iPads...

nightski• 7 years ago

matthewmacleod• 7 years ago

Is it really that hard to imagine? There are a significant number of computer users out there who want to do things like use Facebook, check their email, order stuff from amazon, do a bit of web browsing, watch a bit of Netflix, read a book… a tablet covers those use cases in a form factor that’s a bit more convenient and portable than a laptop, and with a bigger canvas than a smartphone.

I get that they might not fill a niche for everybody, but it’s not hard to see the use-cases, right?

muterad_murilax• 7 years ago

Link for viewing in VLC etc:

https://p-events-delivery.akamaized.net/3004qzusahnbjppuwydg...

knd775• 7 years ago

This one wasn't limited to certain browsers/platforms like they have been in the past. You could just go to apple.com and it was there for everyone.

tosh• 7 years ago

I wonder how they force a full desktop-web experience for Safari on the iPad. macOS user agent?

saagarjha5• 7 years ago

Probably. I wonder if sites will start gating on screen sizes?

owl572• 7 years ago

Don't they already do that? Many sites switch to mobile layout when you ctrl-+ a lot.

ceejayoz2• 7 years ago

I wonder if sites will start gating on screen sizes?

That's what responsive design via media queries is for.

freehunter5• 7 years ago

This is what I don't really get about "request desktop site" or this kind of announcement... I don't know the last site I saw that serves different layouts based on browser agent, it's all based on screen size and resolution. Unless Apple is spoofing a higher resolution on an iPad, I don't see what will change.

That being said, on Bootstrap (and Bootstrap-like sites) turning the 2018 base model iPad on its side will give you a col-md layout which is usually enough to trigger the desktop size.

43920• 7 years ago

Probably user-agent plus better translation of touches into mouse events.

To some extent, though, I'm having a hard time understanding how this is useful. Most sites are responsive these days, and it's been a long time since I remember getting a separate mobile site on an iPad. They showed Google Docs as an example, but even if you could use the desktop version of Docs on an ipad, it seems like it would be really uncomfortable to do so (and I though that was the whole reason for not making a touchscreen mac in the first place)?

yohann305• 7 years ago

MacOS, iPadOS, iOS. Mark my words, in 5 years Apple is going to come up with a brilliant idea: merge all OSes into one! BRILLIANT! (sarcasm)

alexashka2• 7 years ago

Don't forget watchOS and tvOS :)

mattl• 7 years ago

homepodOS!

tcoff91• 7 years ago

Finally a new mac pro. I hope I can get my company to buy me one. If i could shrink my huge C++ compile times that would be awesome.

whalesalad• 7 years ago

If you don't need macOS you can get a lot more hardware for your buck w/ PC hardware.

mikestew4• 7 years ago

So they brought back the cheese grater Mac Pro. Now, was that so hard? Let the shutting up and money-taking begin...

However, watching them demo the new one is just a painful reminder of what an over-priced bad idea the trashcan was, and we had to put up with that shit, and the apologetics to go with it, for six years. Demo's not done, but I'm hoping I don't have to listen to Ive's smooth British accent telling me it's the best, we really mean it this time. Get the person that slayed the management dragon to get this thing built and let them do the voice-over.

H1Supreme• 7 years ago

Do we know if the expansion slots will take 3rd party products? Or, is it all proprietary?

monocasa• 7 years ago

Looks like fairly arbitrary PCI-E, but I'm going to throw out there that kexts need to be Apple notorized now so the driver situation might be rough.

ganoushoreilly• 7 years ago

It looks on their page like it will support standard PCIE but there is a distinct lack of Power headers so I Imagine their new 2x PCIE interface thingy is what they're pushing.

preinheimer• 7 years ago

I had the old big silver Mac Pro, and while in theory it was all a standard graphics card slot, in reality you had to pay an extra ~$100 to get the "apple" version of any video card.

I accidentally bought the wrong one once, spend like 2 weeks trying to like flash the firmware over, gave up and re-sold it on craigslist at a loss and bought the right one.

(civ 5 still ran like crap)

lloeki2• 7 years ago

The trash can Mac Pro was definitely a machine for my very specific niche (dev x FOSS x music x gamedev x some other use cases well suited for big-ish RAM + many CPU cores + good IO in a small mostly silent form factor). I did not care a single second that it was not upgradable, just that it was not updated by the time I set out to buy one (which I did not because of that). It was definitely more like a Mac Mini Pro.

toyg6• 7 years ago

Feeling a bit “everything old is new again”. So they’re finally making a “real” power desktop again, and the big thing about iPadOS is a multi-window feature that we’ve basically had since Windows ‘95... even the macpro design looks like a direct riff on their own 20-year-old “cheesegrater”.

I mean, I’m obviously happy (although i’ll likely never be able to afford a macpro). But all the rivers of (digital) ink spent on the “paradigm shift” of iOS-like forms and conventions now look pretty silly.

no1youknowz• 7 years ago

The 6k screen is mind blowing. But, you know there is a macbook pro with a 6k screen somewhere deep in apple labs.

Hopefully in time for when apple does the switch to arm in 2022. Apple, my money will be ready!

Edit: damn the price is high, alright, I'll pay $10k for a mac pro developer edition! :P

saagarjha5• 7 years ago

6k on a 13” display?

owl572• 7 years ago

Why not? I'm typing this on a fairly typical 2k 5" display, so, about the same pixel density.

zeroimpl• 7 years ago

I'd be willing to settle for a 4K HDR display on my laptop first

dx7tnt• 7 years ago

$999 just for the stand for the new display! Audible laughs all round.

mxfh2• 7 years ago

and a $199 VESA adapter to escape from that to a more versatile $50 monitor arm.

That stands height range looks laughable for the size of the screen.

The comparably huge bezel was cleverly hidden with the black backdrop.

theshrike79• 7 years ago

$50 monitor arm for a $6k monitor? You are braver then I am.

bt3• 7 years ago

Nice to see a new Mac Pro, but no one has mentioned price. The "entry level" Mac Pro from 2006 was $2199 and $2999 in 2013 (the last update). Even the top-of-the-line "trashcan" Mac Pro was ~$6500 with 12 cores.

I don't doubt the hardware is top-notch again, but an 8-core machine (I get it's Xeon), with a 256GB SSD and 32GB of RAM with a nice graphics card for $6000 is ludicrous. Is the new case and a "revive" worth the 100% price increase for a base model? Or has Apple come to revelation that pro's will pay any price?

Sidenote - 6k monitor is beautiful but $5000? The live stream I'm following jokingly mentioned the stand is $1000 extra (is that true?). Have we truly moved into $1/ pixel territory?

mikestew4• 7 years ago

The live stream I'm following jokingly mentioned the stand is $1000 extra (is that true?).

Yup, it was on the screen and the presenter spoke the number without even cracking a smile. Must have practiced in the bathroom mirror for hours to pull that off.

ryanmcbride• 7 years ago

Moved on fast to squash those grumbles that were rising

saagarjha5• 7 years ago

There was an audible gasp from the audience after hearing that price.

ordinaryradical• 7 years ago

I feel like the misguided dongle philosophy has somehow been extended all the way to this. The idea that the stand is a separate price is just crazy to me, that it's a thousand dollars, absurd.

cs02rm03• 7 years ago

Somehow I doubt they'll be selling $1000 monitor stands in a few years.

I can't quite believe they were saying someone would turn one of the monitors 90 degrees to write code. Why anyone would spend $6k on a monitor to write code is beyond me.

misnome• 7 years ago

Sidenote - 6k monitor is beautiful but $5000? The live stream I'm following jokingly mentioned the stand is $1000 extra (is that true?). Have we truly moved into $1/ pixel territory?

To be fair that's 6kx3k. So $1 buys 3000 pixels (more if you use the cheaper VESA stand option). The sound in the auditorium when $1000 for the stand was announced was priceless.

pastor_elm• 7 years ago

Apple is a trillion dollar company. You don't get their peddling budget computers.

saagarjha5• 7 years ago

Apple makes most of their money off of iPhone.

slg• 7 years ago

Or has Apple come to revelation that pro's will pay any price?

Hasn't that always been the case? The price is surprising because Apple had basically abandoned the pro audience and has even started losing some of the prosumer audience with all the keyboard/touchbar shenanigans on the MacBook Pro. But the "pro" in the Pro lineup did have meaning at one point and this appears to be a return to that. It is clearly an attempt to recapture that pro market and the Mac Pro isn't the least bit targeted at the average home user. Although I am sure plenty of home users will buy the things just because.

idlewords• 7 years ago

My understanding is the monitor is a genuine technological marvel that competes with pro-grade stuff that costs in the tens of thousands of dollars. The $1000 stand is pretty funny, though.

freehunter5• 7 years ago

I think you're right on the comparison for the monitor. Dell has a monitor that's nowhere near as bright with nowhere near as good of a contrast ratio for about the same price as Apple's: https://www.dell.com/en-us/work/shop/dell-ultrasharp-32-8k-m...

thefounder8• 7 years ago

Well they want to make it look that way but they simply lie. Before anything else they compare a LED display with an OLED display and I doubt Sony pro display users even consider this Apple "X-price" display. Their comparison checklist is pathetic or better said: misleading.

If you need more pixels you may consider Dell's 8K display(which makes more sense for 8k streams that were demoed anyway) which is also cheaper, though it lacks HDR. But there are plenty 4K HDR displays so Apple's display is nothing new to say at least.

ceejayoz2• 7 years ago

The $1,000 stand was not a joke.

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2019/06/apple-unveils-powerfu...

The all-new Mac Pro starts at $5,999 and will be available to order in the fall. Pro Display XDR starts at $4,999, the Pro Stand is $999 and the VESA Mount Adapter is $199.

golergka• 7 years ago

an 8-core machine (I get it's Xeon), with a 256GB SSD and 32GB of RAM with a nice graphics card for $6000 is ludicrous

Machine on itself may be, but the software? Let me offer from music production perspective.

For instance, Logic Pro X costs $200 - and has more value than even the fullest edition of Ableton Live (at least, for me), which costs $800. And Windows Pro is $200 against a free OS X, so the cost difference just for audio production is $800 already. And if you compare the quality of ASIO4ALL with it's OS X counterpart, I'm not sure how to put monetary value on it, but it just shows that it's not about the hardware...

I have recently outgrown my 2014 macbook and didn't want to buy neither a modern one, nor a trashcan mac, so I moved to Windows machine. Now, with modular Mac Pro design back, I know that I can finally build the workhorse I want.

toyg6• 7 years ago

Apple hardware has always been ludicrously overpriced compared to competition, nothing new there. They charge what the market will bear. You don’t complain about the price of a Lamborghini, you either pay it or you don’t.

The 1k stand is funny though. It’s the hardware equivalent of $200 t-shirts (yes, they exist - go check the various Prada, YSL etc): you know it’s not worth it, they know it’s not worth it, but you buy it anyway just so that people will know you have so much money that you can overpay for trash.

ken• 7 years ago

I don't doubt the hardware is top-notch again, but an 8-core machine (I get it's Xeon), with a 256GB SSD and 32GB of RAM with a nice graphics card for $6000 is ludicrous.

I tried pricing out a Dell workstation with comparable features (though still not as fast in any spec), and it came to just under $8000.

Have we truly moved into $1/ pixel territory?

6K means 6000 pixels wide, not total. It's roughly $1 per column of 3384 pixels.

For high end displays, that price is nothing new. In 2004, the Apple Cinema Display was 2560x1600 at $3299 (accounting for inflation: $4463 in 2019 dollars), or $1.29 (2019: $1.74) per column of 1600 pixels.

Over the 6 years that Apple sold it, the price dropped from $3299 to $1799.

sprafa• 7 years ago

The screen is very competitive, comparable screens in the audiovisual industry regularly go for 10,000$ or more. The screen actually looks like a bargain tbh knowing about HDR 4K screens im not even sure there’s anything in the same ballpark. And knowing Apple I expect them to have done this well - iPads were known around pro audiovisual production circles as one of the few consumer level screens where you could approve final Color correction on - because they were so Color accurate they were up there with pro screens.

In the Mac Pro I have no idea but in audiovisual again there’s a reason Macs are king - ProRes. Doesn’t matter how much thy price their pro machines, production companies around the world will gobble them up because they still own the most efficient video codec known to the industry - very fast encoding times and excellent compression.

Most movies and TV shows you watch today are still recorded in ProRes in high-level low-compression modes such as 4444 or XR.

balls1872• 7 years ago

The find My tracking, and activation is very worrying.

toyg6• 7 years ago

Supposedly it’s end-to-end encrypted. Basically a p2p architecture of sort. I guess we’ll have to wait for CCC validation and/or shenanigans...

ihuman• 7 years ago

How come? You can already do that with Find My Mac; this is just making the remote locking ability more lower-level.

balls1872• 7 years ago

While Apple has been pretty good with privacy, there are long been rumored exploits in apple hardware (iirc snowden talked about it) used by state intelligence agencies.

Providing this capability gives an additional vector to be exploited.

It also may be implemented less securely in other devices, as other manufacturers see the market appeal, leading to more invasive tracking.

And, while I generally trust Apple, I don't like the idea that Apple can lock me out of my device should they choose too.

threatofrain• 7 years ago

The new Swift UI framework reminds me so much of Flutter.

tonyedgecombe• 7 years ago

I think that was the most interesting part of the presentation. Does it mean the end of AppKit and UIKit?

simongr3dal2• 7 years ago

It looks like SwiftUI just gives a better interface to Appkit and UIKit than before.

briandear2• 7 years ago

Apple could literally cure cancer and people would complain about the price or lament that it doesn't also cure diabetes.

tsmarsh• 7 years ago

I work for Novartis. We did cure a couple of cancers using bespoke technologies that don't scale particularly well. The prices are ludicrous ($250-500k), but then it does take a team of scientists weeks of time per patient and its a single treatment... but it doesn't cure diabetes.

The Apple-ifying of cancer treatment has started.

thefounder8• 7 years ago

Is it just me or the pro display is overpriced?

2nd why do they compare it(a led display) with an oled pro display from Sony? What a bunch of misleading marketers!

sasasassy• 7 years ago

Everything is overpriced. Everything they've done has been overpriced for years. They're a marketing company first, selling overpriced iThings because they're status symbols to people with poor judgment and too much money.

imagetic• 7 years ago

There are also rivals to that sony monitor in the $4000 range for reference hardware. It's extremely misleading. It is a really nice display though, but $5k is a painful price point. I would have preferred a retina 27" with those features, 4k is more than enough.

satysin• 7 years ago

Overall that was a very good WWDC keynote IMHO.

The Mac Pro and Pro Display XDR certainly seem to deliver on what "everyone" has been asking for over the past few years. Those prices are in another solar system to consumers so we will without question hear a lot of moaning that Apple are over-charging and such which isn't really true. The reality is that kind of performance is way beyond what a consumer would need and those prices are perfectly in line with similar devices.

Some nice additions iOS/iPadOS (Am I the only one who is irked it isn't iPhoneOS, iPadOS, etc??) that certainly makes the iPad Pro a more Pro device.

I bought and returned an iPad Pro back in February because iOS was a huge limiting factor. I said at the time "iOS on iPad Pro is two years behind the Pro hardware" and I stand by that but it seems iOS 13 with bring that down to one year behind the hardware.

Hopefully in 2020 we will see iPadOS mature to the point that the iPad Pro is a true professional device.

Info on macOS Catalina was basically zero though. Some new apps to replace iTunes which we have known about for months now. Sync moving into Finder. The only interesting thing was Voice Control which is think is superb. I always champion accessibility so seeing Apple expand voice control is great. I feel they can improve the experience as there was a lot of needless filler words but it is a great step.

Some interesting improvements to Safari on iOS/iPadOS but no word on what, if anything, is changing with Safari on macOS? With their new extension model coming into effect with Safari 13 I was hoping to see Apple say something about improvements to adblocking/tracking as we will be losing access to Unlock Origin which is a huge blow and I am unsure if I will be able to use Safari without it tbh.

Sidecar will be nice although it is a damn shame that the iPad Pro screen will be the better screen with its beautiful 120Hz Pro Motion display compared to the lower resolution 60Hz one in the MacBook Pro. Hopefully we will see Pro Motion screens in next years MacBook Pro!

For me personally the most interesting new feature is "Sign-in with Apple" and their unique email forwarding service. I have always refused to use the Google sign-in but with what Apple showed I think I would use Sign-in with Apple. At least for new services that I am unsure about at first. For all Apple's faults I respect that they do take users privacy seriously.

So with the exception of macOS news I thought it was a very strong keynote that positions Apple well for the next few years providing they deliver on their words with the Mac Pro! The only mistake was mentioning the price for the new display accessories. $999 for a stand wasn't going to go down well and the audible groan was amusing.

Now to check out the actual developer news over the next few days :)

simongr3dal2• 7 years ago

no word on what, if anything, is changing with Safari on macOS?

Probably because the WebKit team is doing it's own thing and releasing stuff when it's ready. Their blog is pretty interesting to read[0], at least when new changes are happening.

[0] https://webkit.org/blog/

HugoDaniel• 7 years ago

Who is going to give up that money on an Intel in 2019 ?

A few months later it will be running at half the speed due to new sploits being found.

lewis1028282• 7 years ago

Was U2F or FIDO2 or WebAuth announced for Safari? Chrome, Firefox and Opera have it, about time Safari added it too.

jibanes• 7 years ago

This monitor the "Pro Display XDR" is to glossy for hours of coding imho. That is, you don't need 6k for coding either, so that's probably not their audience.

intellix• 7 years ago

No mention of the refresh rate for the monitor? Seems strange that it's not mentioned so I'm guessing it's 60Hz which sucks when you've used 144

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