Underrated reasons to be thankful V

by numeri • 8 months ago

226 98 8 months ago

kragen11• 8 months ago

Yeah! Screw you, cobalt-60! And I'm sure glad I'm not two-dimensional, but maybe I could poop through my mouth like a sea anemone.

jstanley3• 8 months ago

People say that 2-dimensional life is impossible because it's impossible to make a 2-dimensional digestive system.

But you just need to make it work like a zip. The two halves of the body have interlocking hooks, and they move out of the way to let food pass through, and then reconnect.

kragen11• 8 months ago

Yeah, Dynomight suggested that in the article.

s1mplicissimus4• 8 months ago

I think 2-dimensional life is impossible because physical things exist in all dimensions. As spacetime is already 4 dimensions, no physical thing at all exists in 2 dimensions, thus no life either

jstanley3• 8 months ago

This one in particular stood out:

we also have lots of crazier tricks we could pull out like panopticon viral screening or toilet monitors or daily individualized saliva sampling or engineered microbe-resistant surfaces or even dividing society into cells with rotating interlocks or having people walk around in little personal spacesuits, and while admittedly most of this doesn’t sound awesome, I see no reason this shouldn’t be a battle that we would win.

Are you sure that the potential for society to start enforcing these things upon us is a reason to be thankful?

paganel• 8 months ago

A hopefully tongue-in-cheek entry, or I certainly hope so. Or the guy (or lady) who wrote this is an arrrr ZeroCovidCommunity regular on reddit.

kragen11• 8 months ago

Sounds better than human extinction from bioweapons.

arcfour• 8 months ago

Okay, neither of these are really what I wanted to think about on Thanksgiving though...I am not thankful for either.

GPerson• 8 months ago

I found this to be a disturbing read. Do not recommend.

_sr6i2• 8 months ago

Same. Not quite sure what it was going for.

globalnode• 8 months ago

seems to be a trivia list of things the author thinks about. not sure why its even listed here.

doormatt• 8 months ago

What specifically disturbed you?

musicale• 8 months ago

Right? At least we can be thankful that there is no US holiday devoted to this sort of thing.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46065955

ketanmaheshwari• 8 months ago

Eating cardamom as I read this. My go to spice to keep mouth busy and flavorful and stay away from junk food.

facialwipe• 8 months ago

This whole thing reads strange. I’m not thankful for any of the presented reasons to be thankful.

schoen2• 8 months ago

Not even cardamom?

fastball• 8 months ago

Not thankful for democracy? Dentistry? Clean water? Peroxisomes? Sleep? Air travel safety?

smohare• 8 months ago

Who is thankful for sleep? It’s a biological necessity that robs us of a significant portion of our lives. I’d much rather be able to meditate for half an hour and reap the mental reset.

AnimalMuppet• 8 months ago

Not even the end of slavery?

dalanmiller• 8 months ago

Many days I worry that HN has lost its humanity and then something with a bit of levity and weird shows up and I am relieved.

gnulinux• 8 months ago

I experience a similar sensation. I even feel it for my own self. Sometimes I go weeks, months just thinking about AI, productivity, hustling, taxes etc and then suddenly something with a bit of humanity and weird shows up and I am relieved. It's not completely lost (for now).

thefz• 8 months ago

Opposite reaction, this article reads like it was written by a care bear.

s1mplicissimus4• 8 months ago

Lots of religious over- and undertones going on, I assume that's where you get the vibe

sfpotter2• 8 months ago

I'm thankful that I don't actually have to read the whole thing.

vr46• 8 months ago

"Cheddar cheese and pickle. A Vincent Motor-sickle. Slap Bang Tickle"

- Ian Dury, Reasons to be Cheerful, Part 1

smj-edison• 8 months ago

I know absurdist humor isn't for everyone, but man it cracks me up. So bravo to the strange and the weird, and that it holds this crazy place together!

ggm2• 8 months ago

2. This is "regression tends to the mean" which my dad used to say with a smile when we discussed his excellent degree and his offspring's (including my) average degree.

strken2• 8 months ago

I don't think it's regression to the mean. It looks more like mutation-selection balance.

If it was regression to the mean then it would only apply to parents above the mean. Mutation-selection balance applies equally to everyone[0]: genetic load increases in each generation, and selective pressure brings it down again.

[0] which is to say that mutations occur at random, not equally distributed but nearly always there, and they tend to bring every group down because mutations overwhelmingly tend to be bad

ggm2• 8 months ago

But he does say the mother is a total babe doesn't he? Well "hopefully hot"

strken2• 8 months ago

In hindsight, this explanation was a bit sparse, so here is the actual text from TFA:

your baby will still be somewhat less fit compared to you and your hopefully-hot friend on average, but now there is variance, so if you cook up several babies, one of them might be as fit or even fitter than you, and that one will likely have more babies than your other babies have

This is a nearly word-for-word explanation of mutation-selection balance, e.g. check out the Wikipedia explanation:

an equilibrium in the number of deleterious alleles in a population that occurs when the rate at which deleterious alleles are created by mutation equals the rate at which deleterious alleles are eliminated by selection

Regression to the mean is a statistical phenomenon about, well, measurements that regress to the mean. In the given quote, the average baby isn't regressing to the mean, the average baby is carrying a higher number of deleterious alleles and is less fit across the board. TFA then describes fitter babies having more babies themselves, which is irrelevant to regression to the mean but an integral part of mutation-selection balance.

dominicrose• 8 months ago

Natural and sexual selection are meant to be unforgiving. Humans have found ways to cheat: we should make a reality TV show where we put civilized humans in nature to see what happens

flatline• 8 months ago

That sexual attraction to romantic love to economic unit to reproduction, it’s a strange bundle, but who are we to argue with success.

Given that marriages fail at roughly a 50% rate, and easily half of married people are miserable based on my personal anecdotal data, I have to question the metric of “success” here. You also don’t have to go very far back in history to decouple these factors!

For this holiday season, I am grateful for no-fault divorce, and companionship sans hierarchy.

A_D_E_P_T3• 8 months ago

Point #2 ("somewhat less fit... on average") is totally inaccurate if the parents are statistically average in the modern/Western world. It's accurate if the parents are extraordinary, in which case all children will likely be less extraordinary. It may be accurate in conditions of high infant mortality.

I'm not sure if point #29 is supposed to be a joke. If it's a joke, it's in exceedingly poor taste. Polybius had it figured out more than two thousand years ago: Democracy is an unstable cyclical thing, and nothing to celebrate. If you want proof of this statement, look around you.

mlyle2• 8 months ago

Point #2 ("somewhat less fit... on average") is totally inaccurate if the parents are statistically average in the modern/Western world.

I wonder if you've misunderstood the point. Offspring are expected to be less fit on average because -things can go wrong- (mutations, birth defects, etc). But selection is a counterweight to this.

A_D_E_P_T3• 8 months ago

Seemed to me that the author was referring to regression to the mean, as another commenter noted.

De novo mutations have a negative effect, to be sure, but it is extremely weak on an individual level. In parents who are extraordinary, the effect of regression to the mean is going to be 20x to 40x stronger than the effect of de novo mutations. For instance, if you have two parents who are both 195cm tall, the regression penalty might be 4cm, whereas the mutation penalty would be somewhere in the millimeters, so a statistically average child would be ~190.9cm. If both parents are statistically average, there'd be no regression penalty and only a vanishingly small mutation penalty.

kakacik2• 8 months ago

Too harsh on democracy, literally everything else is much worse. Attested by enormous suffering of tens of billions humans before or now who could only dream of freedoms like you have here, criticizing it openly without mortal fear of repressions on you and your loved ones.

The worst thing out there are those arrogant folks who think they know better than everybody else and go and try to create some sort of (self-centered) utopia, based on flawed expectations who we humans are, ignoring basic human traits we all share like selfishness. The more anybody tries to stick out of grand design and forge their own way (or even god forbid criticize), the harsher they are put down to not spoil the paradise.

I'd take democracy and freedom with corresponding risks and rewards any day over that.

A_D_E_P_T3• 8 months ago

Peak Whig History. You may want to consider whether you're mistaking temporary anomalies for permanent truths. A review of history illustrates that democracy is simply the mechanism by which the merchant class destroys the traditional aristocracy. It is a transitionary phase, not a permanent state. It will inevitably transition to mob rule or oligarchy -- and you can see this all around you! Answer me this: If "democracy" is so great, why is it that every Western political establishment is terrified of direct democracy and plebiscites?

Ancient Greek-style democracy -- where every citizen votes on every important issue -- can now be implemented in the US and any European country, with ease. It's not like we don't have the technology. Why do we need corrupt intermediaries? To simplify things a bit, it is because we're going to get oligarchy or ochlocracy, and the oligarchs want to make sure they're on the winning team, whereas direct democracy is a path to ochlocracy within a mere handful of years.

The Ancients knew all of this, of course.

All that said, a state's form of government has very little (in some cases nothing) to do with that state's ability to benefit from material progress.

It's a real laugh to suggest that our ancestors were "suffering enormously" on account of the fact that they were ruled by a feudal lord who descended from his mountain fortress once a year to collect taxes in the form of a handful or two of grain. Our ancestors had a place, a duty, a strong faith, and a connection to their superiors and inferiors. Large families, festivals and feast days, homes full of music. On balance, they were probably happier than modern man.

stevenhuang• 8 months ago

21. That every expression graph built from differentiable elementary functions and producing a scalar output has a gradient that can itself be written as an expression graph, and furthermore that the latter expression graph is always the same size as the first one and is easy to find, and thus that it’s possible to fit very large expression graphs to data.
22. That, eerily, biological life and biological intelligence does not appear to make use of that property of expression graphs.

Claim 22 is interesting. I can believe that it isn't immediately apparent because biological life is too complex (putting it mildly), but is that the extent of it?

kragen11• 8 months ago

We haven't found anything in nature that resembles reverse-mode automatic differentiation, either in evolution or in neuroscience.

mountainreason4• 8 months ago

What would that look like. Is there an implementation of the finite difference method in biology somehow?

abrookewood2• 8 months ago

Hadn't thought about this one previously ... "That if you were in two dimensions and you tried to eat something then maybe your body would split into two pieces since the whole path from mouth to anus would have to be disconnected, so be thankful you’re in three dimensions"

rnewme• 8 months ago

We are basically a donut.

abrookewood2• 8 months ago

But WAAAY less tasty

layer8• 8 months ago

I can recommend this nonfiction book on the topic: https://archive.org/details/planiversecomput0000dewd

cvoss• 8 months ago

Another option is endo/exocytosis. No rule that says the path between ingress and egress has to be open all at once.

elzbardico• 8 months ago

Reads like the canon of The Neoliberal Elite Human Capital secular religion. Banal, a-historical, and assumes a lot of things as certain just because.

sfpotter2• 8 months ago

Ah, man, thank you writing this. I read through bits of it and found his writing really crazy making, and have had the same response to other articles of his I've seen on here. Your response sums it up perfectly.

Scubabear68• 8 months ago

Thanks to the author, I needed this today.

Yes, it’s weird and eclectic and not at all mainstream, but those of us like that got to stick together!

donkey_brains• 8 months ago

I had never thought about the puzzle-piece solution to the 2D digestive tract problem before. That’s amazing! Maybe being 2D wouldn’t be so bad after all.

mberning• 8 months ago

Point number two seems dubious at best. At least 50% of all offspring would need to be as fit or more fit than the parents to have any hope for the continuation of a species. And it’s probably a much higher percentage than that due to mortality before procreation.

ozzyphantom• 8 months ago

This is a great post. I’m thankful that many of the comments here reminded me why this website’s comments section is not worth reading, ceaseless negativity. Not wasting any more time reading them!

lucketone• 8 months ago

You are free now.

herpdyderp• 8 months ago

But I think HN’s comment section is the only one worth reading!

seizethecheese• 8 months ago

How ironic.

komali2• 8 months ago

50/50 for me. I've had significantly impactful reads here, leading to experiments with new IDEs, to-do systems, ADHD management techniques, and insight into political ideologies I disagree with.

Whereas on Reddit for example it's just yelling at each other all the time.

phito• 8 months ago

This was the only comment I disliked reading here...

_sr6i2• 8 months ago

No, they're correct. I was downvoted for a reply to a comment further down. I appreciate it. I visit the site mostly for the comments as well.

Some of the things the post mentions are possible to do and good and some are not. There's much to be grateful for yet there are still many problems to solve if we could focus as a society...

ompogUe• 8 months ago

Went down the rabbit hole.

And having found: https://dynomight.net/thanks-4/ #18

Can't agree more. Thank you

leflambeur• 8 months ago

Will someone please explain 14 on Gregory of Nyssa?

Izikiel432• 8 months ago

Slavery is a sin, don’t sin, that’s the gist of it.

He lived around the year 400, so pretty progressive for his time.

sleeplessworld• 8 months ago

How did you reach the conclusion that the author specifically meant this part of Gregory of Nyssa's religious thinking? It could just as likely be that the author has come to realise that Gregory of Nyssa was correct in his arguments for the Christian Trinity...? I am just wondering. The author's statements are very entertaining, but they do not seem to be articulated as objects for detailed scrutiny...

beeflet• 8 months ago

16. That sleep, that probably evolution first made a low-energy mode so we don’t starve so fast and then layered on some maintenance processes, but the effect is that we live in a cycle and when things aren’t going your way it’s comforting that reality doesn’t stretch out before you indefinitely but instead you can look forward to a reset and a pause that’s somehow neither experienced nor skipped.

This is pretty understated. We live in a strangely beautiful world such that our experience of time is shaped like so due to the interplay of energy on the surface of the earth

yapyap2• 8 months ago

I mean you _can_ in theory yeah but practically when I find myself in a cycle (or multiple) where things don’t go my way that that “reset and a pause” can also be easily interrupted, shortened or messed with in some way.

Would be great if the stressors didn’t affect sleep though.

nrhrjrjrjtntbt• 8 months ago

Fit can mean hot in English slang

yapyap2• 8 months ago

That if you’re a life form and you cook up a baby and copy your genes to them, you’ll find that the genes have been degraded due to oxidative stress et al., which isn’t cause for celebration, but if you find some other hopefully-hot person and randomly swap in half of their genes, your baby will still be somewhat less fit compared to you and your hopefully-hot friend on average, but now there is variance, so if you cook up several babies, one of them might be as fit or even fitter than you, and that one will likely have more babies than your other babies have, and thus complex life can persist in a universe with increasing entropy

In an ideal world. But in our current world I find that economical stance in the world influences amount of children more than if you’re “fit”. E.g. the poor(er) people of the world and the ultra wealthy of the world are having more kids while the middle class is having less, sure they have to meet some kind of ‘fit’ threshold but not the kind implied IMO.

mvkel• 8 months ago

What a cool piece/person/perspective. We need more of this unorthodox thinking in the zeitgeist

alister• 8 months ago

Remember blogs on the old web when the author would plaster his name in a huge font on every page along with his photo, and have an extensive bio about himself and perhaps even his resume?

Well this author has gone to the opposite extreme: There isn't one shred of info that I can find about him. I liked his writings and was curious who he was in real life, but there's nothing. Stands on its own merits like Death Note, Bitcoin, or Truecrypt.

koziserek2• 8 months ago

That of all the humans that have ever lived, the majority lived under some kind of autocracy, with the rest distributed among tribal bands, chiefdoms, failed states, and flawed democracies, and only something like 1% enjoyed free elections and the rule of law and civil liberties and minimal corruption, yet we endured and today that number is closer to 10%, and so if you find yourself outside that set, do not lose heart.

according to V-Dem Institute [0], 72% of population live in autocracies.. does it include the US nowadays?

https://v-dem.net/publications/democracy-reports/

anthk2• 8 months ago

That every symbolic expression recursively built from differentiable elementary functions has a derivative that can also be written as a recursive combination of elementary functions, although the latter expression may require vastly more terms.

Lisp programmers disagree from the first lesson at learning Lisp.

kazinator2• 8 months ago

I'm a quarter century into Lisp and don't see what to disagree with.

E.g. look at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chain_rule

anthk2• 8 months ago

It was about requiring vastly more terms.

kazinator2• 8 months ago

Reasons to be glum:

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#20. That not every symbolic expression recursively built from integrable elementary functions has an integral that can also be written as a recursive combination of elementary functions ...

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