Show HN: Spegel, a Terminal Browser That Uses LLMs to Rewrite Webpages

https://simedw.com/2025/06/23/introducing-spegel/

by simedw • 1 year ago

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qsort• 1 year ago

This is actually very cool. Not really replacing a browser, but it could enable an alternative way of browsing the web with a combination of deterministic search and prompts. It would probably work even better as a command line tool.

A natural next step could be doing things with multiple "tabs" at once, e.g: tab 1 contains news outlet A's coverage of a story, tab 2 has outlet B's coverage, tab 3 has Wikipedia; summarize and provide references. I guess the problem at that point is whether the underlying model can support this type of workflow, which doesn't really seem to be the case even with SOTA models.

simedw8• 1 year ago

Thank you.

I was thinking of showing multiple tabs/views at the same time, but only from the same source.

Maybe we could have one tab with the original content optimised for cli viewing, and another tab just doing fact checking (can ground it with google search or brave). Would be a fun experiment.

wrsh07• 1 year ago

Would really love to see more functionality built into this. Handling post requests, enabling scripting, etc could all be super powerful

nextaccountic• 1 year ago

In your cleanup step, after cleaning obvious junk, I think you should do whatever Firefox's reader mode does to further clean up, and if that fails bail out to the current output. That should reduce the number of tokens you send to the LLM even more

You should also have some way for the LLM to indicate there is no useful output because perhaps the page is supposed to be a SPA. This would force you to execute Javascript to render that particular page though

myfonj4• 1 year ago

Interestingly, the original idea of what we call a "browser" nowadays – the "user agent" – was built on the premise that each user has specific needs and preferences. The user agent was designed to act on their behalf, negotiating data transfers and resolving conflicts between content author and user (content consumer) preferences according to "strengths" and various reconciliation mechanisms.

(The fact that browsers nowadays are usually expected to represent something "pixel-perfect" to everyone with similar devices is utterly against the original intention.)

Yet the original idea was (due to the state of technical possibilities) primarily about design and interactivity. The fact that we now have tools to extend this concept to core language and content processing is… huge.

It seems we're approaching the moment when our individual personal agent, when asked about a new page, will tell us:

    Well, there's nothing new of interest for you, frankly:
    All information presented there was present on pages visited recently.
    -- or --
    You've already learned everything mentioned there. (*)
    Here's a brief summary: …
    (Do you want to dig deeper, see the content verbatim, or anything else?)

Because its "browsing history" will also contain a notion of what we "know" from chats or what we had previously marked as "known".

baq• 1 year ago

wonder if you can work on the DOM instead of HTML...

almost unrelated, but you can also compare spegel to https://www.brow.sh/

phatskat• 1 year ago

I was thinking of showing multiple tabs/views at the same time, but only from the same source.

I think the primary reason I use multiple tabs but _especially_ multiple splits is to show content from various sources. Obviously this is different that a terminal context, as I usually have figma or api docs in one split and the dev server on the other.

Still, being able to have textual content from multiple sources visible or quickly accessible would probably be helpful for a number of users

andrepd3• 1 year ago

LLMs to generate SEO slop of the most utterly piss-poor quality, then another LLM to lossilly "summarise" it back. Brave new world?

TeMPOraL• 1 year ago

tab 1 contains news outlet A's coverage of a story, tab 2 has outlet B's coverage, tab 3 has Wikipedia; summarize and provide references.

I think this is basically what https://ground.news/ does.

(I'm not affiliated with them; just saw them in the sponsorship section of a Kurzgesagt video the other day and figured they're doing the thing you described +/- UI differences.)

doctoboggan• 1 year ago

I am a ground news subscriber (joined with a Kurzgesagt ref link) and it does work that way (minus the wikipedia summary). It's pretty good and I particularly like their "blindspot" section showing news that is generally missing from a specific partisan new bubble.

hliyan• 1 year ago

For me, a natural next step would be to turn this into a service -- rather than doing it in the browser, this acts as a proxy, strips away all the crud and serves your browser clean text. No need to install a new browser, just point the browser to the URL via the service.

But if we do it, we have to admit something hilarious: we will soon be using AI to convert text provided by the website creator into elaborate web experiences, which end users will strip away before consuming it in a form very close to what the creator wrote down in the first place (this is already happening with beautifully worded emails that start with "I hope this email finds you well").

npmipg• 1 year ago

working on this as we speak!

bubblyworld10• 1 year ago

Classic that the first example is for parsing the goddamn recipe from the goddamn recipe site. Instant thumbs up from me haha, looks like a neat little project.

andrepd3• 1 year ago

Which it apparently does by completely changing the recipe in random places including ingredients and amounts thereof. It is _indeed_ a very good microcosm of what LLMs are, just not in the way these comments think.

throwawayoldie3• 1 year ago

The output was then posted to the Internet for everyone to see, without the minimal amount of proofreading that would be necessary to catch that, which gives us a good microcosm of how LLMs are used.

On a more pleasant topic the original recipe sounds delicious, I may give it a try when the weather cools off a little.

simedw8• 1 year ago

It was actually a bit worse than that the LLM never got the full recipe due to some truncation logic I had added. So it regurgitated the recipe from training, and apparently, it couldn't do both that and convert units at the same time with the lite model (it worked for just flash).

I should have caught that, and there are probably other bugs too waiting to be found. That said, it's still a great recipe.

bubblyworld10• 1 year ago

What do you mean? The recipes in the screenshot look more or less the same, the formatting has just changed in the Spiegel one (which is what was asked for, so no surprises there).

Edit: just saw the author's comment, I think I'm looking at the fixed page

IncreasePosts3• 1 year ago

There are extensions that do that for you, in a deterministic way and not relying on LLMs. For example, Recipe Filter for chrome. It just shows a pop up over the page when it loads if it detects a recipe

bubblyworld10• 1 year ago

Thanks, I already use that plugin, actually, I just found the problem amusingly familiar. Recipe sites are the original AI slop =P

lpribis• 1 year ago

Another great example of LLM hype train re-inventing something that already existed [1] (and was actually thought out) but making it worse and non-deterministic in the worst ways possible.

https://schema.org/Recipe

soap-• 1 year ago

And that would be great, if anyone used it.

LLMs are specifically good at a task like this because they can extract content from any webpage, regardless of it supports whatever standard that no one implements

komali2• 1 year ago

That's a cool schema, but the LLM solution is necessary because recipe website makers will never use the schema because they want you to have to read through garbage, with some misguided belief that this helps their SEO or something. Or maybe they get more money if you scroll through more ads?

VMG• 1 year ago

The LLM thing actually works. Who cares if it's deterministic. Maybe the same people who come up with arcane schemas that nobody ever uses?

bubblyworld10• 1 year ago

Can we stop with the unprovoked dissing of anyone using LLMs for anything? Or at least start your own thread for it. It's an unpleasant, incredibly boring/predictable standard for discourse (more so than the LLMs themselves lol).

ohadron• 1 year ago

This is a terrific idea and could also have a lot of value with regards to accessibility.

taco_emoji• 1 year ago

The problem, as always, is that LLMs are not deterministic. Accessibility needs to be reliable and predictable above all else.

pepperonipboy• 1 year ago

Could work great with emacs' eww!

thephotonsphere• 1 year ago

also with lynx because it can browse from stdin

sammy09103• 1 year ago

I built a project that basically does this for emacs

https://github.com/sstraust/simpleweb

clbrmbr• 1 year ago

Suggestion: add a -p option:

    spegel -p "extract only the product reviews" > REVIEWS.md

sammy09103• 1 year ago

I built something that did this a bit ago

https://github.com/sstraust/simpleweb

sammy09103• 1 year ago

something I found challenging when I was building was -- how do you make the speed fast enough so that it still creates a smooth browsing experience?

I'm curious how you tackled that problem

simedw8• 1 year ago

That's a cool project.

I think most of it comes down to Flash-Lite being really fast, and the fact that I'm only outputting markdown, which is fairly easy and streams well.

4b11b4• 1 year ago

https://github.com/sstraust/simpleweb/blob/79294b461b2e67a24...

Not the answer to your question but here's the prompt

busssard3• 1 year ago

what does it do about javascript?

anonu• 1 year ago

Don't you need javascript to make most webpages useful?

inetknght• 1 year ago

Good sir, no.

The web has existed for long before javascript was around.

The web was useful for long before javascript was around.

I literally hate javascript -- not the language itself but the way it is used. It has enabled some pretty cool things, yes. But javascript is not required to make useful webpages.

pmxi2• 1 year ago

I think you misunderstood him. Yes, it’s possible to CREATE a useful webpage without JavaScript, but many EXISTING webpages rely on JavaScript to be functional.

jazzyjackson• 1 year ago

If Amazon.com can work with JavaScript disabled, any site could be rewritten to do without. But I think to even get to the content on a lot of SPAs this would need to be running a headless browser to render the page, before extracting the static content unfortunately

IncreasePosts3• 1 year ago

No - an experiment: try disabling javascript in your browser settings, and then whenever you see a webpage that isn't working, enable javascript for that domain. You'd be surprised how fast 90% of the web feels with JS disabled.

nicklo• 1 year ago

Have you considered making an MCP for this? Would be great for use in vibe-coding

ktpsns• 1 year ago

Reminds me of https://www.brow.sh/ which is not AI related at all but just a very powerful terminal browser which in fact supports JS, even videos.

cheevly• 1 year ago

Very cool! My retired AI agent transformed live webpage content, here's an old video clip of transforming HN to My Little Pony (with some annoying sounds): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_j6cYeByOU. Skip to ~37 seconds for the outcome. I made an open-source standalone Chrome extension as well, it should probably still work for anyone curious: https://github.com/joshgriffith/ChromeGPT

Klaster_1• 1 year ago

Now that's a user agent!

CaptainFever• 1 year ago

Finally, web browsers work for the user, not the website owners!

adrianpike• 1 year ago

Super neat - I did something similar on a lark to enable useful "web browsing" over 1200 baud packet - I have Starlink back at my camp but might be a few miles away, so as long as I can get line of sight I can Google up stuff, albeit slow. Worked well but I never really productionalized it beyond some weekend tinkering.

eniac111• 1 year ago

Cool! It would be even better if it was able to create simple web pages for vintage browsers.

stronglikedan• 1 year ago

That would violate the do-one-thing-and-do-it-well principle for no apparent benefit. There are plenty of tools to convert markdown to basic HTML already.

treyd• 1 year ago

I wonder if you could use a less sophisticated model (maybe even something based on LSTMs) to walk over the DOM and extract just the chunks that should be emitted and collected into the browsable data structure, but doing it all locally. I feel like it'd be straightforward to generate training data for this, using an LLM-based toolchain like what the author wrote to be used directly.

askonomm• 1 year ago

Unfortunately in the modern web simply walking the DOM doesn't cut it if the website's content loads in with JS. You could only walk the DOM once the JS has loaded, and all the requests it makes have finished, and at that point you're already using a whole browser renderer anyway.

kccqzy4• 1 year ago

Yeah but this project doesn't use JS anyway.

deepdarkforest• 1 year ago

The main problem with these approaches is that most sites now are useless without JS or having access to the accessibility tree. Projects like browser-use or other DOM based approaches at least see the DOM(and screenshots).

I wonder if you could turn this into a chrome extension that at least filters and parses the DOM

jadbox2• 1 year ago

I actually made a CLI tool recently that uses Puppeteer to render the page including JS, summarizes key info and actions, and enables simple form filling all from a CLI menu. I built it for my own use-cases (checking and paying power bills from CLI), but I'd love to get feedback on the core concept: https://github.com/jadbox/solomonagent

andoando• 1 year ago

Dude I love this. I've been thinking of doing this exactly this, but for as a screen reader for accessibility reasons.

willsmith72• 1 year ago

True for stuff requiring interaction, but to help their LCP/SEO lots of sites these days render plain html first. It's not "usable" but for viewing it's pretty good

stared• 1 year ago

Any chance it would work for pages like Facebook or LinkedIn? I would love to have a distraction-free way of searching information there.

Obviously, against wishes of these social networks, which want us to be addicted... I mean, engaged.

simedw8• 1 year ago

We’ll probably have to add some custom code to log in, get an auth token, and then browse with it. Not sure if LinkedIn would like that, but I certainly would.

aydyn• 1 year ago

Does anyone really get addicted to linkedin? Its so sanitized and clinical. Nobody acts real on there or even pretends to.

encom• 1 year ago

The worst[1] part about losing my job last month was having to take LinkedIn seriously, and the best[2] part about now having found a new job is logging off LinkedIn, for a very long time hopefully. The self-aggrandising, pretentious, occasionally virtue signalling, performance-posting make me want to throw up. It takes a considerable amount of effort on my part to not make sarcastic shitposts, but in the interest of self preservation, I restrain myself. My header picture, however, is my extremely messy desk, full of electronics, tools, test equipment, drawings, computers and coffee cups. Because that's just how I work when I'm in the zone, and it serves as a quiet counterpoint to the polished self-promotion people do.

And I didn't even get the new job through LinkedIn, though it did yield one interview.

[1] Not the actual worst.

[2] Not the actual best.

fzaninotto• 1 year ago

Congrats! Now you need an entire datacenter to visualize a web page.

juujian• 1 year ago

Couldn't this time reasonably well on a local machine is you have some kind of neutral processing chip and enough ram? Conversion to MD shouldn't require a huge model.

busssard3• 1 year ago

only if you use an API and not a dedicated distill/tune for html to MD conversion.

But the question of Javascript remains

b0a04gl• 1 year ago

this is another layer of abstraction on top of an already broken system. you're running html through an llm to get markdown that gets rendered in a terminal browser. that's like... three format conversions just to read text. the original web had simple html that was readable in any terminal browser already. now they arent designed as documents anymore but rather designed as applications that happen to deliver some content as a side effect

MangoToupe• 1 year ago

That's the world we live in. You can either not have access to content or you must accept abstractions to remove all the bad decisions browser vendors have forced on us the last 30 years to support ad-browsing.

_joel• 1 year ago

this is another layer of abstraction on top of an already broken system

pretty much like all modern computing then, hey.

nashashmi2• 1 year ago

Think of it as a secretary that is transforming and formatting information. You may desire for the original medium to be something like what you want but you don’t get that so you can get a cheap dumber secretary instead.

worldsayshi• 1 year ago

If the web site is a SPA that is hydrated using an API it would be conceivable that the LLM can build a reusable interface around the API while taking inspiration from the original page. That interface can then be stored in some cache.

I'm not saying it's necessarily a good idea but perhaps a bad/fun idea that can inspire good ideas?

amelius4• 1 year ago

I take it you never use "Reader mode" in your browser?

jrm4• 1 year ago

I 100% agree -- but still I find this a feature and not a bug. It's always an arms race, and I like this shot fired.

0987992• 1 year ago

You could also use headless selenium under the hood and pipe to the model the entire Dom of the document after the JavaScript was loaded. Of course it would make it much slower but also would amend the main worry people have which is many websites will flat out not show anything in the initial GET request.

busssard3• 1 year ago

can you flesh this out a tiny bit? because for indy-crawlers the javascript rendering is the main problem.

0987992• 1 year ago

Here's a sketch: https://chatgpt.com/share/68640b97-9a48-8007-a27c-fdf85ff412... -- selenium drives your actual browser under the hood.

web3aj• 1 year ago

Very cool. I’ve been interested in browsing the web directly from my terminal; this feels accessible.

insane_dreamer2• 1 year ago

Interesting, but why round-trip through an LLM just to convert HTML to Markdown?

markstos2• 1 year ago

Because the modern web isn't reliably HTML, it's "web apps" with heavy use of JavaScript and API calls. To first display the HTML that you see in your browser, you need a user agent that runs JavaScript and makes all the backend calls that Chrome would make to put together some HTML.

Some websites may still return some static upfront that could be usefully understood without JavaScript processing, but a lot don't.

That's not to say you need an LLM, there are projects like Puppeteer that are like headless browsers that can return the rendered HTML, which can then be sent through an HTML to Markdown filter. That would be less computationally intensive.

insane_dreamer2• 1 year ago

That's not to say you need an LLM, ... then be sent through an HTML to Markdown filter. That would be less computationally intensive.

which was exactly my point

crent• 1 year ago

Because this isn't just converting HTML to markdown. I'd recommend taking another look at the website and particularly read the recipe example as it demonstrates the goal of the project pretty well.

nashashmi2• 1 year ago

You should call this software a lens and filter instead of a mirror. It takes the essential information and transforms it into another medium.

amelius4• 1 year ago

Can it strip ads?

tossandthrow2• 1 year ago

It can inject its own!

amelius4• 1 year ago

You have a point as it uses Gemini under the hood. However, the moment Google introduces ads in the model users will run away. So Google really has no opportunity here to inject ads.

And wouldn't it be ironic if Gemini was used to strip ads from webpages?

mromanuk• 1 year ago

I definitely like the LLM in the middle, it’s a nice way to circumvent the SEO machine and how Google has optimized writing in recent years. Removing all the cruft from a recipe is a brilliant case for an LLM. And I suspect more of this is coming: LLMs to filter. I mean, it would be nice to just read the recipe from HTML, but SEO has turned everything into an arms race.

hirako20002• 1 year ago

Do you also like what it costs you to browse the web via an LLM potentially swallowing millions of tokens per minutes ?

prophesi• 1 year ago

This seems like a suitable job for a small language model. Bit biased since I just read this paper[0]

[0] https://research.nvidia.com/labs/lpr/slm-agents/

yellow_lead• 1 year ago

LLM adds cruft, LLM removes cruft, never a miscommunication

visarga• 1 year ago

I foreseen this a couple years ago. We already have web search tools in LLMs, and they are amazing when they chain multiple searches. But Spegel is a completely different take.

I think the ad blocker of the future will be a local LLM, small and efficient. Want to sort your timeline chronologically? Or want a different UI? Want some things removed, and others promoted? Hide low quality comments in a thread? All are possible with LLM in the middle, in either agent or proxy mode.

I bet this will be unpleasant for advertisers.

tines2• 1 year ago

Removing all the cruft from a recipe is a brilliant case for an LLM

Is it though, when the LLM might mutate the recipe unpredictably? I can't believe people trust probabilistic software for cases that cannot tolerate error.

kccqzy4• 1 year ago

I agree with you in general, but recipes are not a case where precision matters. I sometimes ask LLMs to give me a recipe and if it hallucinates something it will simply be taste bad. Not much different from a human-written recipe where the human has drastically different tastes than I do. Also you basically never apply the recipe blindly; you have intuition from years of cooking to know you need to adjust recipes to taste.

joshvm• 1 year ago

There is a well-defined solution to this. Provide your recipes as a Recipe schema: https://schema.org/Recipe

Seems like most of the usual food blog plugins use it, because it allows search engines to report calories and star ratings without having to rely on a fuzzy parser. So while the experience sucks for users, search engines use the structured data to show carousels with overviews, calorie totals and stuff like that.

https://recipecard.io/blog/how-to-add-recipe-structured-data...

https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/intro-struc...

EDIT: Sure enough, if you look at the OPs recipe example, the schema is in the source. So for certain examples, you would probably be better off having the LLM identify that it's a recipe website (or other semantic content), extract the schema from the header and then parse/render it deterministically. This seems like one of those context-dependent things: getting an LLM to turn a bunch of JSON into markdown is fairly reliable. Getting it to extract that from an entire HTML page is potentially to clutter the context, but you could separate the two and have one agent summarise any of the steps in the blog that might be pertinent.

    {"@context":"https://schema.org/","@type":"Recipe","name":"Slowly Braised Lamb Ragu ...

kelsey98765431• 1 year ago

People here are not realizing that html is just the start. If you can render a webpage into a view, you can render any input the model accepts. PDF to this view. Zip file of images to this view. Giant json file into this view. Whatever. The view is the product here, not the html input.

nartho• 1 year ago

I think the project itself is really cool, that said I really don't like the trend of having LLMs regurgitate content back to us. That said, this kinda makes me think of Browsh, who took the opposite approach and tries to render the HTML in the terminal (without LLMs as far as I know)

https://github.com/browsh-org/browsh https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZq86XfBoRo

hirako20002• 1 year ago

That would also keep your wallet or GPU rag coller

hyperific• 1 year ago

Why not use pandoc to convert html to markdown and have the LLM condense from there?

cyrillite• 1 year ago

I have been thinking of a project extremely similar to this for a totally different purpose. It’s lovely to see something like this. Thank you for sharing it, inspiring

amelius4• 1 year ago

Curious about that different purpose ...

__MatrixMan__3• 1 year ago

It would be cool of it were smart enough to figure out whether it was necessary to rewrite the page on every visit. There's a large chunk of the web where one of us could visit once, rewrite to markdown, and then serve the cleaned up version to each other without requiring a distinct rebuild on each visit.

pmxi2• 1 year ago

The author says this is for “personalized views using your own prompts.” Though, I suppose it’s still useful to cache the outputs for the default prompt.

__MatrixMan__3• 1 year ago

Or to cache the output for whatever prompt your peers think is most appropriate for that particular site.

myfonj4• 1 year ago

Each user have distinct needs, and has a distinct prior knowledge about the topic, so even the "raw" super clean source form will probably be eventually adjusted differently for most users.

But yes, having some global shared redundant P2P cache (of the "raw" data), like IPFS (?) could possibly help and save some processing power and help with availability and data preservation.

__MatrixMan__3• 1 year ago

I imagine it sort of like a microscope. For any chunk of data that people bothered to annotate with prompts re: how it should be rendered you'd end up with two or three "lenses" that you could toggle between. Or, if the existing lenses don't do the trick, you could publish your own and, if your immediate peers find them useful, maybe your transitive peers will end up knowing about them as well.

simedw8• 1 year ago

If the goal is to have a more consistent layout on each visit, I think we could save the last page's markdown and send it to the model as a one-shot example...

markstos2• 1 year ago

Cache headers exist for servers to communicate to clients how long it safe to cache things for. The client could be updated to add a cache layer that respects cache headers.

WD-42• 1 year ago

Does anyone know why LLMs love emojis so much?

userbinator2• 1 year ago

Likely because it was trained on such material... which is just as authentic and vapid.

coder543• 1 year ago

Just a typo note: the flow diagram in the article says "Gemini 2.5 Pro Lite", but there is no such thing.

simedw8• 1 year ago

You are right, it's Gemini 2.5 Flash Lite

neocodesoftware• 1 year ago

Does it fail cloudflare captcha?

ospider• 1 year ago

I think it will, it uses requests, and cloudflare blocks traffic from non-browser, e.g. python http clients. It would be better to use something like curl_cffi.

willm• 1 year ago

Why not just use ncurses?

Bluestein• 1 year ago

Gosh. Lovely project and cool, and - likewise - a bit scary: This is where the "bubble" seals itself "from the inside" and custom (or cloud, biased) LLMs sear the "bubble" in.-

The ultimate rose (or red, or blue or black ...) coloured glasses.-

wayeq• 1 year ago

... what?

rrnechmech• 1 year ago

I think OP means that this "filtering" the on the fly conversion does can amplify the content bubbles we live in

mossTechnician2• 1 year ago

Changes Spegel made to the linked recipe's ingredients:

Pounds of lamb become kilograms (more than doubling the quantity of meat), a medium onion turns large, one celery stalk becomes two, six cloves of garlic turn into four, tomato paste vanishes, we lose nearly half a cup of wine, beef stock gets an extra ¾ cup, rosemary is replaced with oregano.

achierius• 1 year ago

Did you actually observe this, or is just meant to be illustrative of what could happen?

mossTechnician2• 1 year ago

This is what actually happened in the linked article. The recipe is around the text that says

Sometimes you don't want to read through someone's life story just to get to a recipe... That said, this is a great recipe

I compared the list of ingredients to the screenshot, did a couple unit conversions, and these are the discrepancies I saw.

orliesaurus• 1 year ago

oh damn...

jugglinmike• 1 year ago

Great catch. I was getting ready to mention the theoretical risk of asking an LLM be your arbiter of truth; it didn't even occur to me to check the chosen example for correctness. In a way, this blog post is a useful illustration not just of the hazards of LLMs, but also of our collective tendency to eschew verity for novelty.

andrepd3• 1 year ago

Great catch. I was getting ready to mention the theoretical risk of asking an LLM be your arbiter of truth; it didn't even occur to me to check the chosen example for correctness.

It's beyond parody at this point. Shit just doesn't work, but this fundamental flaw of LLMs is just waved away or simply not acknowledged at all!

You have an algorithm that rewrites textA to textB (so nice), where textB potentially has no relation to textB (oh no). Were it anything else this would mean "you don't have an algorithm to rewrite textA to textB", but for gen ai? Apparently this is not a fatal flaw, it's not even a flaw at all!

I should also note that there is no indication that this fundamental flaw can be corrected.

throwawayoldie3• 1 year ago

the theoretical risk of asking an LLM be your arbiter of truth

"Theoretical"? I think you misspelled "ubiquitous".

simedw8• 1 year ago

Fantastic catch! It led me down a rabbit hole, and I finally found the root cause.

The recipe site was so long that it got truncated before being sent to the LLM. Then, based on the first 8000 characters, Gemini hallucinated the rest of the recipe, it was definitely in its training set.

I have fixed it and pushed a new version of the project. Thanks again, it really highlights how we can never fully trust models.

jannniii• 1 year ago

Gopher is back!

IncreasePosts3• 1 year ago

I did something similar, but with a chrome extension. Basically, for every web page, I feed the HTML to a local LLM (well, on a server in my basement). I ask it to consider if the content is likely clickbait or can be summarized without losing too many interesting details, and if so, it adds a little floating icon to the top of the page that I can click on to see the summary instead.

My next plan is to rewrite hyperlinks to provide a summary of the page on hover, or possibly to rewrite the hyperlinks to be more indicative of the content at the end of it(no more complaining about the titles of HN posts...). But, my machine isn't too beefy and I'm not sure how well that will work, or how to prioritize links on the page.

benrutter• 1 year ago

Welcome to 2025 where it's more reasonable to filter all content through an LLM than to expect web developers to make use of the semantic web that's existed for more than a decade. . .

Serioisly though, looks like a novel fix for the problem that most terminal browsers face. Namely that terminals are text based, but the web, whilst it contains text, is often subdivided up in a way that only really makes sense graphically.

I wonder if a similar type of thing might work for screen readers or other accessibility features

cout• 1 year ago

This is a neat idea!

I wonder if it could be adapted to render as gopher pages.

Buttons840• 1 year ago

A step towards the future of ad-blocking maybe? Just rewrite every page?

conradkay• 1 year ago

Something tells me we'll see more ad-inserting

Modified3019• 1 year ago

Companies burning energy with llms to dynamically hide ads and bullshit on every pageload
Individuals burning energy using personal llm internet condoms to strips ads and bullshit from every pageload

Eventually there will be a project where volunteers use llms to harvest the real internet and “launder” both the copyright and content into some kind of pre-processed distributed shadow internet where things are actual useable, while being just as wrong as the real internet.

What a future.

userbinator2• 1 year ago

Many people were doing that at the turn of the century(!) with filtering proxies, more deterministically and with far less computing power. Some still do today.

revskill• 1 year ago

Use uv instead of pip

tartoran• 1 year ago

Loving the text only browsing. Is this as fast as in the preview?

eevmanu• 1 year ago

great POC

looks very similar to a chrome extension i use for a similar goal: reader view - https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ecabifbgmdmgdllomnf...

deadbabe• 1 year ago

I would like to see a version of this where an LLM just takes the highlights of various social media content from your feed and just gives you the stuff worth watching. This also means excluding crap you had no interest in and was simply inserted into your feed. Fight algorithms with algorithms. Eliminate doom scrolling.

crest• 1 year ago

A cool hack, but also impressive to come up with a CLI "browser" that's even more expensive to run than Chromium.

leroman• 1 year ago

Cool idea! but kind of wasteful.. I just feel wrong if I waste energy.. At least you could first turn it into markdown with a library that preserves semantic web structures (I authored this- https://github.com/romansky/dom-to-semantic-markdown) saving many tokens = much less energy used..

otabdeveloper4• 1 year ago

This is exactly the sort of thing that should be running on a local LLM.

Using a big cloud provider for this is madness.

remram• 1 year ago

Not to be confused with Kubernetes' Spiegel: https://spegel.dev/ https://github.com/spegel-org/spegel

herval• 1 year ago

We’re back to the BBS days, 30 years later!

robbles• 1 year ago

I'm curious whether anyone has run into hallucinations with this kind of use of an LLM.

They are pretty great at converting data between formats, but I always worry there's a small chance it changes the actual data in the output in some small but misleading way.

throwawayoldie3• 1 year ago

Guess you didn't see the old version of the screenshots on the page, which showed things like 1.5 pounds of lamb being converted into 1.5 kg, that is, more than doubling it.

barrenko• 1 year ago

I need this, but for the new forum formats such as Discourse or Discuss or whatever it's called. An eyesore and a brainsore.

Jotalea• 1 year ago

Insanely resource expensive, but still a very interesting "why not?" idea. I think a fitting use case would be adapting newer websites for them to work on older hardware. That is, assuming the new technologies used are not vital to the functionality of the website (ex. Spotify, YouTube, WhatsApp) and can be adapted to older technologies (ex. Google Search, from all the styles that it has, to a simple input and a button).

In theory this could be used for ad blocking; though more expensive and less efficient, but the idea is there.

So, it is a very curious idea, but we still have to find an appropriate use case.

hambes• 1 year ago

I've thought about getting a web browser to work on the terminal for a while now. This is an idea that hadn't occured to me yet and I'm intrigued.

But I feel it doesn't solve the main issue of terminal-based web browsing. Displaying HTML in the terminal is often kind of ugly and css-based fanciness does not work at all, but that can usually just be ignored. The main problem is javascript and dynamic content, which this approach just ignores.

So no real step forward for cli web browsing, imo.

ghm2180• 1 year ago

This is great! Another useful amendment to this that would make me use it add a chrome browser tool to allow access to pages that need authn and then scrape them for you.

My #1 usecase is fetching wikis on my hard drive and letting a local coding agent use it for creating plans.

gvison• 1 year ago

Great project, much less memory than opening a web page in a browser.

js2• 1 year ago

I was unfamiliar with Textual which seems more interesting than Slowly Braised Lamb Ragu:

https://textual.textualize.io/

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