Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus)

http://releases.ubuntu.com/xenial/

by ctpide • 10 years ago

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mhw• 10 years ago

Release notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes

Always worth a read before you fire up the installer...

tard• 10 years ago

what are they going to do when they run out of letters in the alphabet?

poooogles2• 10 years ago

Go back round again with new animal names.

gnoway2• 10 years ago

This appears to be the correct answer. Backed up here:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames

pjf• 10 years ago

obviously, invent new letters :)

slight• 10 years ago

Invent two thirds of a new alphabet and then get distracted by the idea of creating new numbers and promise to complete the alphabet "real soon now"? ;)

pluma• 10 years ago

Shut down the company and stop releasing new versions, obviously.

chillingeffect• 10 years ago

Yeah, it's really a shame. I thought the open source movement had a lot going for it, but they should have thought this part out better.

It's okay though, I honestly feel we can take most of what we learned and apply it to the Commodore 64, which, while closed source, most "black hat" hackers can patch the kernel of to include execution of the Binaries Formerly Known As Ubuntu.

The process will be different, though: After powering on the system and reaching the READY string signaling the BASIC interpreter, you'll POKE the unicode name-string of the package you want to update to the user space at $C000, then execute an SYS command to set the CPU's program counter to the vector of the package installation.

rootbear• 10 years ago

Greek, Cyrillic, Elvish,...

Scarblac• 10 years ago

Unicode is growing fast enough.

criddell7• 10 years ago

I love that answer. Switch to a different language and alphabet!

knocte2• 10 years ago

I love the part about simplifying packaging via 'snap'.

Now, I would love to know, if I'm a maintainer of Foo (and you can get it today via `apt-get install foo`), how will I be able to start packaging using snap rather than relying on deb packages that come from debian? I'd love any feedback, cheers!

koolba• 10 years ago

What is snap? I can't find mention of it anywhere on the release notes page.

anuragsoni2• 10 years ago

https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/desktop/

https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/

The ubuntu developer page has a good description of snaps and how to create them.

In short its a package that contains all its dependencies.

tomswartz07• 10 years ago

Just a side note, as well:

`apt-get` is depreciated, they've moved to just plain `apt`

`apt install foo`

nailer4• 10 years ago

Nice. There were a couple of things that were 'apt-cache', I could never remember which, I gather 'apt' does those too?

dhruvmittal• 10 years ago

About time-- I always thought it was absurd for them to keep apt-get and apt-cache separate "for historic reasons." I used to have the hardest time explaining that the occasional new ubuntu users (to say nothing of all the people who were convinced that they needed to type "apt get [packagename]" then "apt install [packagename]".

falcolas2• 10 years ago

Last time I tried to use just apt, its help pages warned that it was experimental, and there was still basic functionality which was either not implemented, or implemented differently from the regular apt-* tools.

I'd very much prefer to standardize on plain apt, but it doesn't seem ready yet.

ronjouch• 10 years ago

Also, how does Canonical's snap compare/compete with Freedesktop/GNOME's xdg-app?

https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/SandboxedApps

abrowne3• 10 years ago

One thing I've noticed is that xdg-app seems to be only for desktop GUI apps, while snappy works for server software and command-line apps too. To me, that makes it more interesting.

creshal5• 10 years ago

I love the part about simplifying packaging via 'snap'.

Bleargh. More container bullshit, now with even less control over it by end users. Now each tiny library update (think OpenSSL security fixes) will pull hundreds of "snaps" instead of a single package… assuming the developers even realize they have to rebuild their snaps.

criddell7• 10 years ago

Now each tiny library update (think OpenSSL security fixes) will pull hundreds of "snaps"

Do you think that's worse than the alternative where each tiny (shared) library update potentially breaks hundreds of programs?

majewsky3• 10 years ago

A hundred times this. When some library upgrade happened to break stuff on my system, I could roll it back selectively, while still getting the updates for everything else (as long as it does not strictly depend on this new library version). That's gone now.

Good thing I abandoned Ubuntu a long time ago.

curt15• 10 years ago

Something as core as OpenSSL should be provided by the system and updated by the system maintainers. That's what happens in Windows and OS X land, where the system provides a broad base of functionality that every application can count on (e.g. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/ff8...). Thus third party programs only need to bundle the elements not already provided by the system. When goto fail was discovered in the OS X crypto libraries, Apple simply issued a system update and that was the end of the story.

Certhas• 10 years ago

While I see your point, the idea that I as an end user have any real control now is absurd. All I can do is hope the people who package stuff for their distribution know what they are doing.

If I want to install software that's outside the stuff that the packagers have prepared, like Firefox with correct KDE integration on Kubuntu, I am relying on a number of hard to track things working correctly together. Which tehy have regularly failed to do for me in the past.

Contrast to the OSX install experience: An application is a folder which contains everything related to the application that the base system does not provide. It's brilliant. Installing is copying. Uninstalling is deleting. As a user I feel more in control of the process than with apt.

Depending on the software stack you're looking at, dependency isolation might or might not make sense. I think OSX and Windows both are good case stuides that show that some level of isolation is sensible.

anuragsoni2• 10 years ago

If you have the source of the package you might be able to use ubuntu's snapcraft[1] tool to create snap packages. There is a project on github called deb2snap[2] that might help creating snaps from deb packages which is something that might help. I haven't used it so can't provide any feedback on how well it works. The README is pretty detailed though.

[1] https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/snappy/build-apps/

[2] https://github.com/mikix/deb2snap

knocte2• 10 years ago

I knew deb2snap thanks, what I'm wondering is the bureaucracy steps to switch Foo to use my snap (instead of debian's deb) by default when being installed in Ubuntu v.NEXT. Thanks again

xd1936• 10 years ago

Does anybody know what packages are going to be bundled as Snaps, and what packages will still be debs? Firefox? Libreoffice?

dz0ny2• 10 years ago

User apps

https://paste.sh/zaodLcyn#uLrtH-WS00hxtIJTYVEgE9zS #horrible hn text editor

rawfan4• 10 years ago

That's a completely different list than the (shorter) one I get.

fideloper4• 10 years ago

Vagrant box for 16.04: https://atlas.hashicorp.com/ubuntu/boxes/xenial64

zakk• 10 years ago

Does it work for you? For me VirtualBox gets stuck into the 'gurumeditation' state when booting.

weitzj• 10 years ago

Same Problem. Newest VirtualBox newest vagtant 1.8.1

alainv• 10 years ago

This is a virtualbox regression because the box is packaged with the LsiLogic controller: https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/15317

You can downgrade VirtualBox, dropping to 5.0.16 worked for me: http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/5.0.16/

hrbrtglm• 10 years ago

I'm not sure as there's no description, so I'll ask. That's the desktop version, not the server one ?

fideloper4• 10 years ago

Ummm I assumed it was the server one, perhaps I'm mistaken. Ubuntu/*64 have typically been headless.

bovermyer• 10 years ago

This doesn't work for me, because of this issue: https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/issues/6871

wildpeaks• 10 years ago

Sadly even the most recent one still has the private_network issue (and the missing line in hosts), it just stops during vagrant up with this error:

sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu-xenial
mesg: ttyname failed: Inappropriate ioctl for device

I hope this PR (https://github.com/mitchellh/vagrant/pull/7241) gets merged because the private_network issue has been around since 15.04

arca_vorago2• 10 years ago

I've been on 16.04 for a few days now, and while I did have to work through some bugs (such as sddm and lightdm fighting each other) I've been impressed so far with the improvements.

Inused to hate on Ubuntu, but on my 2014 Macbook Pro, it was the one distro that "just worked", and since I mostly run debian servers, I figure Sticking to the similar ecosystem reduces mental load of switching.

I still have my issues with Shuttleworth and Canonical, but hey, it's linux, so I can remove the crap I dont like (unlike some things, staring at you windows 10).

themodelplumber3• 10 years ago

Curious what you want to remove in Windows 10. Not an evangelist, just set it up on a dual-boot refurb for a friend and thought the initial experience wasn't bad.

ajmarsh• 10 years ago

By default, Windows sends a lot of your information to their servers sometimes without asking you to opt-in.

https://fix10.isleaked.com/

rhodysurf2• 10 years ago

Having two control panels

stegosaurus2• 10 years ago

My experience of Windows 10 is limited to having a look at it in local computer shops (I've been trying to find a decent cheap laptop to stick Linux on for a friend).

I clicked the Start Menu. Fully half of it was made up of flashing animated crap - things moving about, very colourful adverts, the actual things I wanted to do were obscured by it.

I tried a few machines. They did the same thing. Maybe it's a manufacturer default.

Hey, maybe it's customizable. I don't know. It just struck me as being so far from what I think of a computer as being - not a tool to be used, but a flashy, childish entertainment box, like a children's rainbow cake.

My ego betrays me at this point, I suppose. I don't understand how the engineers at Microsoft got to this point.

It reminds me a lot of the Xbox 360 dashboard. That was the point I left 'mainstream' video gaming - it felt like my hackery, fun world had turned into a world of consuming advertising, of subscribing, of being someone else's plaything. Perhaps it was always like that, and I was too young to see?

arca_vorago2• 10 years ago

If I was an average user, cortana would definitely be one thing I might want to disable but probably couldn't do so easily. I'll admit I had to use my powershell script for getting rid of GWX on win7 as a base to completely get rid of Cortana without feeling like some update was going to magically re-enable her.

Also, see: https://github.com/dfkt/win10-unfuck

ajdlinux• 10 years ago

PowerPC/ppc64el, System z and ARM/Raspberry Pi server images available at: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/16.04/release/

ctpide• 10 years ago

Thanks, I was looking for this!

donpdonp• 10 years ago

Where are the rest of the releases?

nailer4• 10 years ago

For anyone packaging software on Linux, this now means every major distro - Debian, RHEL/CentOS, Arch and now Ubuntu - supports .service files.

No need for bash scripts, custom watchdog and daemonise tools, etc.

atonse2• 10 years ago

This is pretty much the only reason I've been waiting for 16.04 – to get rid of upstart scripts and standardize on systemd. Still going to wait for a couple months while people iron out initial bugs but definitely excited about this release.

listic• 10 years ago

to wait for a couple months while people iron out initial bugs

There's going to be a 16.04.1 release just 3 months away from the initial LTS release; I believe it is just for that.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule - this schedule is for 14.04, but I believe it's been the same for quite a few years already.

soccerdave• 10 years ago

I wonder how big the installation of Amazon Linux is? They are still not on systemd. Also, CentOS 6 still has support for 4 more years so probably can't throw away all the bash yet.

falcolas2• 10 years ago

Very good points. Amazon linux is pretty popular within AWS, and LTS CentOS and RHEL have huge install bases for larger corporate environments.

For that matter, Ubuntu 14.04 is still supported for another two years, and that's still upstart.

ac• 10 years ago

Could you, please, explain what .service files are and how they eliminate the need for bash scripts etc? Couldn't find anything in search results.

praseodym• 10 years ago

systemd services, that replace traditional init.d scripts and provide watchdog options, daemonising, etc.

https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.ser...

yrro• 10 years ago

http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd-for-admins-3.html

stephenr6• 10 years ago

No need for bash scripts

Friends don't let friends write shell scripts targeting bash.

For context: Bash is not available|installed everywhere, and has some inter-version weirdness.

Write clean, posix-compliant shell scripts (i.e. target /bin/sh commonly referred to as bourne shell) and you're in a much better position.

On Debian your script will be run by Dash, on OS X it will be run by Bash, on Ubuntu or RedHat it could be different again, but the point is, they are specifically running in POSIX mode, so that you get reliable, reproducible results across systems and even across Bash versions.

peatmoss• 10 years ago

You're getting downvoted to oblivion, but I'm old enough to remember not being able to take bash for granted. The default shell on some modern systems (OpenBSD for example) comes to mind as well. I feel this battle has mostly been lost, however.

kps• 10 years ago

And test them on a shell that isn't bash. Even with the --posix option bash accepts non-standard bashisms, particularly the execrable 'extension' of '>&'.

zzz1572• 10 years ago

Depends on the use case. There are cases where I don't know how I'd live without arrays/associative arrays. Performant regex matching is also quite nice.

ionelm2• 10 years ago

For context: Bash is not available|installed everywhere, and has some inter-version weirdness.

Can you cite some sources here? No one knows what you're talking about.

viraptor3• 10 years ago

Upstart provided comparable service for years. There was no reason to use bash scripts and watchdogs / restarters before.

vidarh• 10 years ago

Yes, there was a reason: Having to support other distros.

The big deal now is that all the major distributions support the same mechanism.

lomnakkus4• 10 years ago

Except upstart actually allowed shell code in its configuration files[1]. Now, it did have the "exec" stanza which was far cleaner, but if you look through what Ubuntu actually did in practice, I think you'll find quite a lot of "script" stanzas in there.

[1] http://upstart.ubuntu.com/cookbook/#script

creshal5• 10 years ago

Small warning: Ubuntu's "do you want to upgrade" popup window defaults to "yes". Had to find that out the hard way when a user hit Enter the wrong moment and was suddenly sitting in front of a bricked system.

amelius• 10 years ago

Is upgrade failing in general or in this specific case only?

creshal5• 10 years ago

I've no idea. `apt install -f` fixed everything and I didn't bother probing into it further.

(We only have Ubuntu on two machines, everything else is Arch or Debian.)

rawfan4• 10 years ago

Crashed for me, too.

bad_user3• 10 years ago

Usually you press Enter to accept things and ESC to cancel. Also, it first downloads all packages before upgrading, so you should've had time to cancel it.

abledon• 10 years ago

Support for scaling cursors in HiDPI environments

So 4k resolution support is becoming recognized here?

themodelplumber3• 10 years ago

This reminds me, I'd really like to know what to expect with a 4K monitor in 16.04.

patwolf• 10 years ago

I've been running 16.04 beta for the past month on a Thinkpad P70 with a 4k display, and scaling has been great. The OS UI elements (like menu bars) can be scaled to any size.

Most applications seem to work out of the box. The ones that have given me the most problems are a handful of desktop apps implemented in an embedded browser (like Spotify) where I have to set an extra command flag to properly scale.

kraftman• 10 years ago

Been using 16.04 on my XPS 13 for a week or so now, it finally supports nearly everything (bluetooth is a couple of extra commands) out of the box, and I've not had any issues so far.

criddell7• 10 years ago

Are you happy with battery life? For laptops, I've always stuck with Apple machines but in my experience even Windows uses less power than Linux.

smhg3• 10 years ago

I've been using an XPS 13 for 8 months as my main development machine and battery life hasn't been an issue. I regularly go out for a (e.g. coffee shop) working day and I don't have to charge.

There were some issues with earlier Ubuntu/Linux/BIOS versions, but most have disappeared with new releases. The last one is a palm detection issue with the touchpad, but it should to be fixed in 16.04. And if you can't wait, at least you can fix things yourself if you want.

takno4• 10 years ago

My laptops at least for the past 5 years have been fine with Ubuntu - much the same battery life as windows, and with a little tweaking quite a lot longer. I'm currently getting 7 hours out a commodity Asus with a couple of dev environments and a VM running. It drops to 5 if I'm running the fairly intensive service I'm developing, 4 if I do anything foolish like run the service from within eclipse, and 3 if I leave the chat sidebar visible in Facebook

Thaxll2• 10 years ago

Is it a XPS 2016?

bedros• 10 years ago

how's the audio jack working, I got my XPS 15 last week, and planning to install ubuntu LTS once released. I read that audio jack is tricky to get working

mceachen2• 10 years ago

I have an XPS 15 and can confirm the audio jack only works once with 15.10—once you unplug, audio is borked. I haven't tried 16.04 yet. Webcam and audio in also doesn't work, but everything else does (!). I initially tried linux mint, but the kernel was ancient, so latest ubuntu with `apt-get install cinnamon` is roughly the mint desktop experience with more recent packages.

Pengwin3• 10 years ago

Which model do you have? My new 9350 seemed to hang a few times and become unresponsive when I tried beta 2, I'm hoping that release isn't going to do that.

gravypod2• 10 years ago

So when will I be able to `sudo do-release-upgrade`? Does not seem to be working on my end. I'm using Xubuntu.

abrowne3• 10 years ago

Are you on 15.10 or 14.04 LTS? For the latter, I think not until 16.04.1 is released. Otherwise, probably soon.

gravypod2• 10 years ago

I'm on xubuntu 15.10.

edwinksl• 10 years ago

It has not been officially released yet, so `sudo do-release-upgrade` still fails.

ivank• 10 years ago

Notes from my 15.10 -> 16.04 upgrade:

1) If you use the nvidia drivers from the graphics-drivers PPA, starting the default non-root X server will hang with no graphics output. Installing xserver-xorg-legacy fixes this.

2) LXC+Linux 4.4 seems to be very broken: https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/1666#issuecomment-21290311...

3) Pulseaudio now uses shared memory and playing audio inside a firejail will break the pulseaudio server: https://github.com/netblue30/firejail/issues/69#issuecomment...

cyphar• 10 years ago

Yeah, we've seen similar issues with runC on point 2. I don't think it's an upstream kernel issue as it didn't happen on openSUSE Tumbleweed when we had 4.4 (we're on 4.5 now). So presumably it's some patch Ubuntu applies.

josteink• 10 years ago

LXC+Linux 4.4 seems to be very broken

Seeing as my main use for my current 14.04 install is LXC containers, I think I will hold off a little then.

Thanks for the warning :)

Pengwin3• 10 years ago

no new ubuntu release would be complete without graphics issues from Nvidia and AMD. I say AMD too because FGLRX is out of 16.04.

After all the Issues i had with intel/amd/nvidia stiwching gpus in the ivy bridge days i just gave up buying nvidia and AMD, and boy has it made linux easier.

jontro• 10 years ago

Great! Finally php7 support out of the box

aorth• 10 years ago

Indeed! And the release notes linked to a good resource on configuration changes requires for Nginx + PHP7.0:

http://dark-net.net/?p=125

orf• 10 years ago

Yay, "apt install". At last!

cataphract• 10 years ago

"apt" has been available since 14.04 (trusty).

nik736• 10 years ago

So we finally got Native ZFS with 16.04? :-)

matt40772• 10 years ago

ZFS is only enabled for their new containers (X<something I can't remember>) for now.

davidmichael• 10 years ago

I haven't tried it but I think if you do a manual install and format disks as zfs you could have a zfs root filesystem with 16.04.

jkot• 10 years ago

Anyone using Kubuntu 16.04? I am thinking about moving to Fedora.

mayhew• 10 years ago

If you're interested in KDE on Fedora 23, I haven't tried it but I've seen this [1] which may persuade you to find another distro for KDE.

[1] https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/kde/2015-October/0...

uuuuu• 10 years ago

Is an update from 14.04 painless or would you recommend reinstalling? I'd like some newer packages but don't really feel like setting up the whole system again with a reinstall.

maaarghk• 10 years ago

Pretty painless - I've just ran this on two servers (not in production):

    sudo do-release-upgrade

or if you're on a server

    sudo do-release-upgrade -d

although they don't recommend doing that on a production server because the .1 release usually has a lot of bugfixes.

It took about half an hour followed by a reboot. Occasionally had to intervene to tell it to overwrite config files I hadn't touched or to let me do a merge if I had.

Obviously make sure you have backups first.

majewsky3• 10 years ago

If you don't feel a particular urge to upgrade right now, it's probably not a bad idea to wait for the first service pack (16.04.1), which usually comes a few months later. Most kinks should be ironed out by then.

Rezo6• 10 years ago

Per the release notes [0], upgrades from 14.04 aren't enabled. They will be enabled with the 16.04.1 LTS release, in 3 months time.

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes

pkaye• 10 years ago

I always wait a month before upgrading/reinstalling. I have done upgrades in the past through multiple versions and they generally go smoothly but there might a minor glitch or two that requires manual intervention to fix (usually solved though search google for advice.)

Another thing I've done is keep /home on a separate partition so I can nuke everything else for a clean install if needed. In such cases, I backup the /etc directory beforehand to recover configuration details as needed.

rawfan4• 10 years ago

Just failed for me on two desktop systems (one 14.04 and one 15.10).

dz0ny2• 10 years ago

Mozilla will release Firefox directly via snaps

https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/04/21/firefox-d...

hansjorg2• 10 years ago

What is the significance of this? Doesn't Canonical already update the package (lagging a day or two behind the official release) for the lifetime of the Ubuntu version?

takno4• 10 years ago

I'd guess that Firefox is a fairly good candidate for this kind of packaging just because it has relatively few external dependencies, and lots of Mozilla-specific dependencies which are rarely used by other software

rawfan4• 10 years ago

Firefox is going to be used as a testbed for snap packages.

stubish• 10 years ago

It will be Firefox, in a sandbox, out of the box.

symtos• 10 years ago

Using binaries provided by Mozilla is not a good idea (unless they do things differently with the snaps). They are not hardened in any way; ie. no PIE (rendering ASLR pretty much useless), no stack canaries, no relro, ..., making it a lot easier to exploit any given sec-related bug.

  $ hardening-check ./firefox
  ./firefox:
   Position Independent Executable: no, normal executable!
   Stack protected: no, not found!
   Fortify Source functions: no, only unprotected functions found!
   Read-only relocations: no, not found!
   Immediate binding: no, not found!

Absolutely ridiculous given the amount of vulns likely to linger in its codebase.

It should also be noted that Firefox is one of the few packages that Canonical keeps aligned with Mozilla releases (even 12.04 LTS has the latest firefox), and:

  $ hardening-check /usr/lib/firefox/firefox
  /usr/lib/firefox/firefox:
   Position Independent Executable: yes
   Stack protected: yes
   Fortify Source functions: yes (some protected functions found)
   Read-only relocations: yes
   Immediate binding: yes

cat-dev-null3• 10 years ago

More "innovations" which "justify" their own existence with novelty, but eliminate useful properties, backward compatibility, interoperability and standards with blissful ignorance. Standardization is a Good Thing(TM)... many formats creates a confusing dependency hell across multiple systems. Deb/apt works well. This will be deprecated in 6 months after a major security incident. Canonical is mismanaged and capricious, and this is just another in a long line of examples.

aus_• 10 years ago

Notably, Xenial is also the first release to bring support for s390x architecture (ie mainframes).

[0] https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/17/ibm-and-canonical-pla...

[1] https://help.ubuntu.com/16.04/installation-guide/s390x/

simplicio• 10 years ago

Say what you will about Canonical, their whimsical naming scheme has helped expand my vocabulary of both obscure African mammals and little-used adjectives.

bad_user3• 10 years ago

17.10 might switch to flowers and "Apologetic Anemone" is a proposed name :-)

colordrops• 10 years ago

Anemone is also a sea animal.

Redoubts• 10 years ago

I was hoping for Aachen Aardvark

zzz1572• 10 years ago

Abused Albatross? ;[

Afflicted Ass?

neoeldex• 10 years ago

What is going to happen when they land at Z? The end of Ubuntu as we know it? :P

cstuder• 10 years ago

http://askubuntu.com/questions/113194/what-will-happen-when-...

el_duderino• 10 years ago

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames

therealmarv2• 10 years ago

If somebody needs a Vagrantfile for testing: https://gist.github.com/therealmarv/555f7efc1c55ffa288bca091...

but it seems even Ubuntus Server are not speedy today (Atlas server are also slow)

(Update) it seems I'm getting an error with it :/

  The guest machine entered an invalid state while waiting for it
  to boot. Valid states are 'starting, running'. The machine is in the
  'gurumeditation' state. Please verify everything is configured
  properly and try again.
  
  If the provider you're using has a GUI that comes with it,
  it is often helpful to open that and watch the machine, since the
  GUI often has more helpful error messages than Vagrant can retrieve.
  For example, if you're using VirtualBox, run `vagrant up` while the
  VirtualBox GUI is open.
  
  The primary issue for this error is that the provider you're using
  is not properly configured. This is very rarely a Vagrant issue.

matt40772• 10 years ago

Someone else in this thread posted something rather nonsensical about switching to Commodore 64. I was just about to make a guru meditation joke when I saw that someone apparently beat me to it.

I'm running 16.04 with the Vagrant/Virtualbox image from atlas. I've tried getting it to work in the google cloud but had no luck there so far (it's possibly just the ssh key injection that failed, haven't had time to investigate).

alyandon• 10 years ago

If you've recently upgraded to VirtualBox 5.0.18 you might try downgrading to 5.0.16 as I had a similar issue earlier this week.

therealmarv2• 10 years ago

I've updated to the VirtualBox 5.0.19 test build which also fixes that. Bad timing for Ubuntu: https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Testbuilds

michaelmior• 10 years ago

For anyone like myself who isn't a big fan of the Unity interface, check out Ubuntu MATE[0]. The MATE desktop environment is very similar to pre-Unity Ubuntu. It seems like the final 16.04 release hasn't landed yet but I'm sure it will later today. Ubuntu MATE is also one of the derivative distros that has been granted LTS status by Canonical.

[0] https://ubuntu-mate.org/

edent• 10 years ago

I'll second that. Mate is amazing.

I can also recommend Cinnamon.

noir_lord• 10 years ago

Both are great, Xubuntu is excellent and still my goto since it has pretty much exactly the features I want from a DE.

It's nice to have good choices that use the old paradigms.

XFCE 4.12 pretty much feels exactly like Gnome 2 towards the end.

teekert• 10 years ago

Ubuntu Mate is also great on the Raspberry Pi. all the GPIO stuff just works as in Raspbian but you get a more modern desktop (using the classical gnome2 layout) and Ubuntu as the base (which to mee means easier setup of things like a mail server.)

I'm hoping Owncloud starts to use Snaps.

satysin• 10 years ago

I would love to see an "official" Cinnamon build in the way we have Xubuntu, etc.

blacksmith_tb• 10 years ago

Or, though not everyone's cup of tea, I quite like Ubuntu Gnome[1], which is aggressively not retro or Unity.

1: http://ubuntugnome.org/

niedzielski• 10 years ago

I like some of the features of their window managers but I don't think Xubuntu and MATE have much support for HiDPI yet and, in general, seem to lag behind stock Ubuntu.

hatsunearu4• 10 years ago

I'm a small breed of people that actually really like Unity. I used to use Awesome WM and tiling WMs for pretty much my whole Linux 'career' but now I quite like how my desktop looks like with Unity. It's my favorite DE at the moment.

Screenshot: https://imgur.com/nvsf24E

AnonymousPlanet• 10 years ago

I really don't know why people hate Unity so much. If you don't want to be stuck in the last decade, regarding desktop workflow (Mate, XFCE, etc.), and if you want to actually use a mouse, your options are basically Unity, KDE, Gnome 3, and Cinnamon.

At the moment, I think Unity is the only one that is not a horrendous misdesign (Gnome 3) or consists of a shoddy and insecure plugin framework that is a moving target stability wise (Gnome 3 and Cinnamon). I never liked the fussiness and the looks of KDE. So far, Unity has been the most stable, configurable (Compiz) and, most importantly, productive experience for me.

bad_user3• 10 years ago

I've been using Beta 2 on my laptop. Seems to be a solid release.

noisy_boy2• 10 years ago

Online searches in the dash are now disabled by default [1]

A welcome and saner default. I'm thinking of moving back to Ubuntu from LinuxMint (I was thinking of Arch as well but not too confident of being on the bleeding edge).

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes

Diederich• 10 years ago

Besides the default online dash searches pre-Xenial, do you mind sharing what other changes are allowing you to consider moving back?

zanny• 10 years ago

As someone who has used Arch for 4 years, the bleeding edge got boring. I haven't had a major breakage in at least a year, probably longer, unless you count KDE 4 -> 5 being a breakage - one any 14.04 to 16.04 upgrader will also have to contend with.

The last major show stopper I can recall was when Arch dropped security hooks from the kernel and I had to get rid of my MAC.

takno4• 10 years ago

I never moved to mint, but I did recommend trying it to some people who really didn't like unity. I pretty much stopped doing that when they had the security issues last year. Is that what is prompting you to look at switching back, or are you just more reconciled to unity in general now?

dorfsmay• 10 years ago

If one wants Ubuntu and GNOME, there's

https://ubuntugnome.org/

noisy_boy2• 10 years ago

That is one and I read online (can't find the source now) that Mint development doesn't respect compatibility/play well with other open source developers. I don't know how much of it is true but for me, compatibility is important. For almost 5-6 years, I have never formatted my home directory. So if my distribution is, for example, creating config in a non-compatible fashion, I won't be able to move to another distro. I know that typically distros don't modify individual program's dotfile/config etc but I guess I'm a bit paranoid about it.

Pengwin3• 10 years ago

All my experiences running mint have amounted to a broken and out of date distribution which has poor hardware support. I hope it has become better wince those days (i believe it was the initial release of MATE) but I see no reason to use mint when you know enough about a Debian based distro to pick and choose what you really want.

ausjke• 10 years ago

Hope DigitalOcean and Linode will support 16.04 quickly. Can't wait.

andrewsomething• 10 years ago

16.04 is available on DO now!

MarkMc• 10 years ago

Is there any way I can download Ubuntu securely? They don't seem to have an HTTPS link to the .iso file

__david__2• 10 years ago

You can verify the integrity of your download with the SHA256SUMS file. You can verify that with the SHA256SUMS.gpg file.

lobo_tuerto• 10 years ago

I wonder why Canonical don't have an HTTPS version for this page.

csense• 10 years ago

They should just stop publishing MD5SUMS for new releases. By now, everybody should have gotten the word that MD5 has been broken.

The security of the MD5 has been severely compromised, with its weaknesses having been exploited in the field, most infamously by the Flame malware in 2012. The CMU Software Engineering Institute considers MD5 essentially "cryptographically broken and unsuitable for further use". [1]

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD5

pritambaral• 10 years ago

They do provide SHA256SUMS. I guess MD5SUMS are there for legacy purposes. It is on users to stop using MD5SUMS and move to SHA256SUMS

thieving_magpie3• 10 years ago

I've always wondered this but felt too embarrassed to ask, screw it. Let's say the ubuntu 16 iso is infected with some kind of malware by a 3rd party. If they have control of the file, would they not have control of the checksum displayed on the site? I can understand if the checksum is spread to other sites for cross-reference but I'm having trouble seeing why a checksum from the same location as the file you're downloading is worth anything.

Any insight?

defective• 10 years ago

It's worth it for error-checking.

eloisant• 10 years ago

If they infect at the source, yes. But if just one mirror is infected, or one of the CDN servers, the attacker may not be able to change the checksum on the official site.

fulafel2• 10 years ago

They GPG-sign the cryptographic checksums, see the .gpg files. If you don't verify the GPG sig, with Canonical's signing key obtained out of band, the checksum by itself is pretty useless as you describe.

PS. anyone know of a CLI download tool that supports this format of GPG signatures?

edit: why the downvotes for the parent? it's a fine question

defvar• 10 years ago

the checksums are gpg signed.

lwf• 10 years ago

If you have an existing Ubuntu system you trust, you can verify the authenticity of this release via:

  $ gpg --no-default-keyring --keyring /usr/share/keyrings/ubuntu-archive-keyring.gpg --verify SHA256SUMS{.gpg,}
  gpg: Signature made Thu 21 Apr 2016 10:40:38 UTC using DSA key ID FBB75451
  gpg: Good signature from "Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key <cdimage@ubuntu.com>"
  gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
  gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
  Primary key fingerprint: C598 6B4F 1257 FFA8 6632  CBA7 4618 1433 FBB7 5451
  gpg: Signature made Thu 21 Apr 2016 10:40:38 UTC using RSA key ID EFE21092
  gpg: Good signature from "Ubuntu CD Image Automatic Signing Key (2012) <cdimage@ubuntu.com>"
  gpg: WARNING: This key is not certified with a trusted signature!
  gpg:          There is no indication that the signature belongs to the owner.
  Primary key fingerprint: 8439 38DF 228D 22F7 B374  2BC0 D94A A3F0 EFE2 1092

  $ sha256sum --ignore-missing -c SHA256SUMS
  ubuntu-16.04-desktop-amd64.iso: OK

(You can ignore the `WARNING`s above, since you're explicitly telling `gpg` to use a keyring you trust)

rakoo• 10 years ago

It doesn't protect against a malware being included by default, it protects against a malware being inserted on the wire, ie between Canonical's HDD and your HDD; if a malware is inserted at this point then the checksum should fail.

Coincidentally it requires the checksum to be propagated through an other, more secure mean, so distributing the checksum on the very same site increases the chance for an attacker to act, however there is no other way as widespread as this to give the checksum anyway.

avar2• 10 years ago

You're conflating collision attacks like the Flame malware with a preimage attack that would be necessary to produce a malicious Ubuntu release with the same MD5SUM.

I.e. what's "broken" about MD5 is if you have a lot of CPU time and I allow you to give me two unrelated blobs, you can craft those blobs to have the same MD5 sum.

What's not "broken" (beyond a theoretical 2^123.4 attack) with MD5 and not broken at all for SHA1 is preimage attacks. E.g. if I work for Canonical, make an Ubuntu ISO and you have to produce a malicious ISO with the same MD5 sum.

We should be considerate of collision / preimage attacks, but please don't spread FUD by conflating the two. Publishing MD5 sums for ISOs is just fine.

maaku3• 10 years ago

Collision attacks matter if you don't (want to) trust the Ubuntu release team.

nickodell• 10 years ago

You should think about this in terms of collision resistance. Canonical doesn't write most of the packages that go into a release.

hatsunearu4• 10 years ago

What? Pretty sure you're wrong.

Yes, MD5 preimage resistance is not broken (to a reasonable degree).

If you have the Ubuntu 16.04 ISO (you do), and if you have its hash, the attack to craft a different ISO with the same hash is a collision attack.

A preimage attack is if you had some hash y where y=H(x) where x is some file/whatever, and trying to find out possible values of u that give rise to y when you do H(u), without the knowledge of x.

abiox• 10 years ago

i thought the use of md5 here was just to check that your download wasn't damaged, by comparing your hash to theirs.

andersen1488• 10 years ago

The purpose of publishing a public MD5 sum of a software release from the developer is to prevent tampering with an image. If I download an ISO of Ubuntu and check the MD5 value, and it doesn't match what Canonical says it should, then it's been tampered with.

Rezo6• 10 years ago

PSA: If you're running a HTTP/2 server like NGINX on the 14.04 LTS you'll want to upgrade to this release.

Google Chrome will no longer support HTTP/2 on vanilla 14.04 after May 15th [0], even if you're using the latest official upstream NGINX packages. This is because 14.04 ships with a version of OpenSSL that does not support the ALPN extension (prior to OpenSSL 1.0.2 you're limited to NPN, now deprecated). There was a bit of back-and-forth about the exact date, as the change was originally scheduled for earlier. However, Chrome decided to specifically push back the date so that there would be an Ubuntu LTS release available with the required support [1]. If you're still stuck on SPDY, that's going to be dropped too, so there's really no good reason not to simply use HTTP/2 at this point.

[0] http://blog.chromium.org/2016/02/transitioning-from-spdy-to-...

[1] https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=557197

qznc• 10 years ago

If you use 14.04, you usually upgrade at the first point release to 16.04.01, not now at 16.04.00. Only 15.10 will immediately suggest an update.

Is this outdated or not applicable to servers?

Rezo6• 10 years ago

That is correct, upgrades are not enabled between LTS releases at this time, also for servers AFAIK.

Either way, personally I would never upgrade a server in place these days. Treat your servers like cattle not pets: Rebuild from new base image, validate, put into LB/proxy, terminate old stack.

collinmanderson2• 10 years ago

You should hold off doing in-place upgrades using "do-release-upgrade" until 16.04.1 (due August/September).

However, you can also "upgrade" your stack by building a new image using 16.04 from scratch, and that doesn't need to wait until 16.04.1.

bryanlarsen4• 10 years ago

Is http2 supported on xenial now? It wasn't as of beta1 -- http2 was considered 'experimental' and wasn't included in the builds. We're using the PPA instead.

Rezo6• 10 years ago

Xenial seems to include nginx 1.9.15 and OpenSSL 1.0.2, so it should fully support HTTP/2. Personally I would still use the official upstream nginx packages.

bpeebles• 10 years ago

My understanding is that HTTP2 support in Apache was held out of Xenial but may be included later.[0] nginx in Xenial does have HTTP/2 support but no SPDY.

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#HTTP.2F2_su...

fideloper4• 10 years ago

It looks like Ubuntu 16.04 comes with Nginx 1.9.15, which is both not the latest stable release (it's a development, aka MAINLINE, release, although Nginx development branch is pretty stable) and it's one minor version ahead of Nginx's own development PPA, which is at 1.9.14.

The ppa[1] notes there's a newer version[2] also

[1] https://launchpad.net/~nginx/+archive/ubuntu/development [2] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nginx/1.9.15-0ubuntu1

ProblemFactory• 10 years ago

In the release notes they mention that they will upgrade to Nginx 1.10 when it is released: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseNotes#Nginx

anonova• 10 years ago

No, many people get this wrong. Mainline is stable, and http://hg.nginx.org/nginx/ is dev. The labeled stable version is for distros that have strict upgrade policies.

nginx recommends using mainline over stable: "We recommend that in general you deploy the NGINX mainline branch at all times." [1]

[1] https://www.nginx.com/blog/nginx-1-6-1-7-released/

rlpb• 10 years ago

It looks like Ubuntu 16.04 comes with Nginx 1.9.15, which is both not the latest stable release (it's a development, aka MAINLINE, release, although Nginx development branch is pretty stable)

The stable branch will fork from the mainline branch shortly. The version shipped in 16.04 is very close to what the stable will be, because the fork hadn't taken place before 16.04's release. I expect there to be very few changes, which is why (as someone else pointed out) we expect to update 16.04 to the stable branch as soon as it is available.

The ppa[1] notes there's a newer version[2] also

That's just noting that the version released in 16.04 is newer than the version provided in the PPA.

Nginx's own development PPA

Actually it's a PPA maintained by a team that care about Nginx's availability in Ubuntu. In this case, the uploads to that PPA were made by the very same person who looks after the official Ubuntu Nginx packages available to Ubuntu users by default.

Thaxll2• 10 years ago

For some softwares like Nginx you should use official repo from the Nginx team and not rely on your distro repos.

http://nginx.org/en/linux_packages.html

zachberger• 10 years ago

If you re-read the parent comment even using the official repo from n nginx team you will be impacted. The issue is with OpenSSL not nginx.

collyw• 10 years ago

Care to explain why? There is a huge amount of provisioning and deployment software that relies on distro repos.

joering2• 10 years ago

Google Chrome will no longer support HTTP/2 on vanilla 14.04 after May 15th

Doe this mean 14.04 with Apache 2.2 is affected? Their blog doesnt explain and leave plenty of people confused...

yAnonymous• 10 years ago

I don't think so. If it was, half the internet would go down for Chrome users.

collinmanderson2• 10 years ago

To be clear though, at the moment (before May 15th), there is still better browser support for SPDY than for HTTP/2:

http://caniuse.com/#feat=spdy (77.39% global)

http://caniuse.com/#feat=http2 (70.15% global)

dajohnson89• 10 years ago

Why isn't just upgrading OpenSSL to version 1.0.2 enough? Seems easier than a wholesale OS upgrade.

the_why_of_y• 10 years ago

With OpenSSL's complete lack of anything resembling a stable ABI, and it's popularity, there is no meaningful difference between an OpenSSL upgrade and a wholesale OS upgrade.

chippy2• 10 years ago

From some sources, I've heard that it appears that those with AMD graphics will suffer a downgrade in performance until the point release in June. I think by June, the open source AMD drivers should be up to speed or have the same features as the previous flgrx ones. From what I gather it's more like a downgrade in supported features.

I think this is just an issue if you are doing 3D graphics work or gaming.

fulafel2• 10 years ago

Most people with AMD graphics have been using the open source drivers and will just see all around improvements.

edit: Also, you can get Vulkan with the new drivers.

rleigh• 10 years ago

This very much depends upon whether you want the latest OpenGL 4.x features or not. Compute shaders, etc. Most people won't notice, but if you want to develop or use applications using these features, the open drivers aren't yet up to par, so for these cases it is indeed a major downgrade.

gnoway2• 10 years ago

In case anyone's looking here first, ISOs are available here:

http://releases.ubuntu.com/16.04/

For some reason these are not linked yet from the 'Downloads' page at ubuntu.com.

nikolay2• 10 years ago

... but not here: https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/

tsukassa• 10 years ago

I want this so bad.

elinchrome• 10 years ago

If I have a software RAID that I created under MINT using `mdadm`. will the partition work the same after installing Ubuntu 16.04 or will I have to re-synch the volumes?

e12e4• 10 years ago

AFAIK mdadm has been stable for years (one of the reasons why I prefer software raid to hardware raid). As long as you boot into anything resembling a recent Linux kernel along with a userspace with mdadm support, you should be fine.

If in doubt, boot from a live-cd/usb and see if you can mount your drives ok.

iris-digital• 10 years ago

Looking forward to trying Python 3.5, it's in the repo.

JdeBP6• 10 years ago

It will be interesting to see how long it takes, and indeed whether it happens at all, for UbuntuBSD and Ubuntu on Windows NT's Linux subsystem (which currently defaults to Ubuntu 14.04, although people have already installed things like Fedora on it) to catch up.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11326457

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11542089

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11415985

nikolay2• 10 years ago

Unfortunately, the EC2 images [0] are not available yet!

[0] https://cloud-images.ubuntu.com/locator/ec2/

e12e4• 10 years ago

Another interesting tidbit, this version comes with

Cephfs v10.2.0 Jewel: "This major release of Ceph will be the foundation for the next long-term stable release. (...) This is the first release in which CephFS is declared stable and production ready!"

http://docs.ceph.com/docs/master/release-notes/

fpgaminer• 10 years ago

I gotta say, Canonical/Ubuntu has a lot of respect in my book for how dependable the distro has been over the years. I've been through my fair share of distros, and one of my employees goes through a new Linux install at least once a week. Ubuntu is one of the few distros that almost always works. Other distros will have one problem or another with this machine or that, but put Ubuntu on there and everything is fine (well, as fine as Linux gets).

A few weeks ago I had to dig up an old 12.04 machine and bring it back to the modern age. Much to my surprise, I was able to upgrade it all the way to 15.10 with minimal hassle. While the normal apt repos were dead for 12.04, Canonical keeps around an archived mirror. So you just edit the sources file to point at the archive, and then you can upgrade from there. Impressive.

Not that Canonical/Ubuntu don't have their warts. The Amazon fiasco, Unity, their cloud services, etc. And at the end of the day it's still Linux, with all the problems that brings. But, all things considered, I rate Ubuntu as the best of the bunch and feel grateful for the gift they give to the community.

paulddraper• 10 years ago

Yeah, take Ubuntu and their repos, throw out Unity, find a way to get a Java release from the last few years, do the graphics drivers dance, and you have a very solid, reasonably compatible development environment.

bunx• 10 years ago

After 3 or so hours ubuntu 16.04 finally installed & what lovely surprise,no launcher a big black cross instead of mouse cursor & slower than a bowl of soup warming up in the freezer, can someone please advise me how to get this running properly. Many thanks.

Ubuntu 16.04 (Xenial Xerus)

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