OS X Mavericks GM Seed available to Developers

https://developer.apple.com/osx/whats-new/

by zdw • 13 years ago

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tuananh2• 13 years ago

how long does it usually take from GM to official release?

emilyst• 13 years ago

The pattern seems to be the day following the Q4 earnings release. So look for it in the second half of the month.

http://9to5mac.com/2013/09/06/apples-os-x-mavericks-release-...

elithrar• 13 years ago

I usually don't bother with beta OS's or GM seeds (unless they're in a VM!) on my "daily" machine, but I'm curious to know whether the GM seed can be updated to the release version/10.9.1 and onwards?

I'm not sure on Apple's history here re: OS X GM seeds.

hboon• 13 years ago

Historically, yes for both iOS and OS X. They are also the same version as the publicly available version with a few rare exceptions.

tenpaiyomi• 13 years ago

For the past few OS beta to GM transitions I've been a part of (10.6, 10.7, 10.8), the GM is the same thing as the public release, so when 10.9.1 comes out, you'll upgrade just the same.

eridius• 13 years ago

GM Seed means quite literally what it says. It's the build that will be released to customers if nothing showstopping crops up.

unfamiliar3• 13 years ago

It says quite literally that it is the Golden Master, I don't know how you literally read all that other stuff into it.

adamnemecek5• 13 years ago

Wow, multiple display support? Are you sure Apple? Don't you want to wait a couple years more to see if this whole 'multiple screen setup' is not just some sort of a fad?

savoytruffle• 13 years ago

Where were you back in 1987?

matthew-wegner• 13 years ago

Don't worry, you can no longer span a single window across multiple monitors. The support fixes a lot of issues but introduces some new ones :/

Udo7• 13 years ago

To be fair, OS X always worked well with multiple displays (I would know), but it's their intentionally and needlessly crippled full screen mode that made the combination useless. And don't worry, they still haven't "solved" this completely.

siglesias• 13 years ago

Intentionally? Makes sense. Not like they manufacture dedicated external displays with built in MagSafe adapters.

adamnemecek5• 13 years ago

Why would "[you] know"?

27182818284• 13 years ago

To be fair, OS X always worked well with multiple displays (I would know),

As I work with multiple displays, I think you're sugar-coating it to say it works "well." In fact, Apple knows how horrible it is. That's part of the reason they are displaying the full-screen support as a major upgrade with their new OS release. It is currently so bad, that not only do I find myself frustrated, the PR and dev teams at Apple want to shout about their fix from the rooftops.

taude2• 13 years ago

Works well? You must have low expectations.

Teckla• 13 years ago

OS X always worked well with multiple displays

Not if you want multiple independently color corrected displays... (unless they added that feature post Snow Leopard)

sjwright3• 13 years ago

Apple introduced first-class multiple display support in 1987 with the Macintosh II.

adamnemecek5• 13 years ago

So what you are saying is that Mavericks will have multiple multiple screen supports?

doomlaser• 13 years ago

Except that windows can no longer span multiple displays.

Demiurge3• 13 years ago

LinkedIn baked into an OS? Wonderful...

phaer• 13 years ago

Maybe they can now use some sort of direct access to your address book for their...ah, promotional emails.

Demiurge3• 13 years ago

"Hello sir,

It looks like you have been working a lot. The following companies would like to hire you..."

sjwright3• 13 years ago

You must really hate android!

gcb1• 13 years ago

you must not know android if you only ever used samsung (or google for that matter) flavours

Demiurge3• 13 years ago

It's not bad, my Nexus 7 has been an adequate appliance of a walled garden variety, so I don't want or expect a flexible operating system. It comes with all the apps I will ever need from it, such as book reader and browser. I do really hate the google plus nagging I experience every now and then.

untog2• 13 years ago

...why? What LinkedIn integration does Android have?

benatkin• 13 years ago

Your comment set off a chain of thought that resulted in me deleting my LinkedIn account. Thank you for that.

joeblau2• 13 years ago

LOL. Can you please elaborate on what happened :)

karlshea• 13 years ago

"You seem to have monetized irritating people"

zarify2• 13 years ago

Multiway video chat removal in favour of more FaceTime seems like an interesting choice (well, not the consolidation on FaceTime), but it'd be nice to see Apple develop FaceTime along with iMessage to be better.

Google has done a really good job overall of doing useful things with making Hangouts one thing that is really useful (and to be honest I think if they want something to really drive adoption of Google as a social platform it'd be hammering that shit for other platforms so Hangouts is the default messaging platform no matter what device you're on).

If Google did what Apple has done with iMessage blending with standard SMS it'd be brilliant. Conversely it'd be nice to see Apple making FaceTime less like video chat with a face, and broadening it to be useful in more situations.

cmelbye• 13 years ago

Mavericks still supports multiperson video chat.

zarify2• 13 years ago

Huh. Not according to the "What's New?" link on the site. Unless I'm misunderstanding what they're talking about (a distinct possibility)

caiob• 13 years ago

Ruby 2.0 out-of-the-box. woohoo! \o/

msoad• 13 years ago

Oh you reminded me last time I upgraded my OSX. Ruby and RVM always have problem with me upgrading the system.

xutopia• 13 years ago

Just as 2.1 is around the corner ;-)

ComputerGuru4• 13 years ago

I thought for sure I'd come in here and find that someone had posted a solution:

After redeeming the GM code from the Mac Dev Center in the App Store, a message is displayed:

OS X v10.9 is already installed on this computer. Use the Updates page to install the 10.9 update or if you would like to download the full OS X installer click Continue.

The last developer preview of Mavericks was build 13A584, GM is build 13A598. However, using the App Store to check for updates returns no updates available (well, iPhoto, iTunes, and Command Line Tools have been updated today, but no Mavericks update).

It seems like I'll have to download the full (5.29 GB) setup image (bigger than a DVD, I don't think that was the case with 10.8?) to update to this release..

itafroma3• 13 years ago

This is standard operating procedure for recent OS X/iOS developer previews: Apple enables in-place DP-to-DP upgrades, but requires a full install of the GM seed. No doubt this is done to iron out any issues that might've arisen in the DP deltas.

panacea• 13 years ago

Nope. Highest rated comment is sarcastic, uninformative garbage.

broodbucket• 13 years ago

Not exactly on topic, but the biggest usability flaw in HN is the inability to minimise a post (and its child comments), coupled with no hiding of child comments a million levels deep (this I'm fine with, if you could hide posts). Having to scroll down half a page to see what other discussions are happening around a link really blows.

adamnemecek5• 13 years ago

I agree, it's utter garbage. If only HN had some sort of a voting system where users could vote for the comments they like and the most liked comments would float to the top.

yuhong• 13 years ago

I hope they create a formal support lifecycle for Mac OS X.

tomw1808• 13 years ago

Watch out kids, they got energy saving maps now ... on more than one display. That's gonna be huge!

nailer2• 13 years ago

Any effect on homebrew?

itafroma3• 13 years ago

There were major problems early in the DP cycle, but they resolved themselves as of DP4. However, you do need to have the standalone command-line tools installed to populate /usr/include: it's empty otherwise, and Xcode doesn't provide a CLT package anymore (edit: not entirely accurate, see comments below).

Once /usr/include is populated, you shouldn't have much of a problem with most Homebrew packages.

nailer2• 13 years ago

Thanks!

masklinn4• 13 years ago

Xcode doesn't provide a CLT package anymore.

It does, but it doesn't install them under /usr anymore (unless you tell it to by calling `xcode-select --install`). See the homebrew discussion on the subject: https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/issues/20427

unfamiliar3• 13 years ago

You can now have the developer tools installed without XCode by using "xcode-select --install".

ngonzal• 13 years ago

Finally, tabbed Finder ftw!

dzhiurgis• 13 years ago

Yes! It's downloading. Just in time with my second HDD cable delivery - will upgrade my Mac Mini to SSD today! Seeds: 95 [154 MB / s] Leech: 411 [100 MB / s]

davidcollantes• 13 years ago

Do you mean, you are pirating it? No good, mate. No good.

plg2• 13 years ago

a) What's the killer feature that I have to have, to make me tolerate the upgrade process (or wipe & reinstall, which I usually do)? ... and please don't tell me to go look at Apple's website to see the list of features ... I'm looking for some comments based on first-hand experience here.

b) does Mail.app still keep corrupting mailboxes?

c) homebrew / LaTeX / emacs still works?

oh hell maybe I'll just go install Debian

oh wait ... I have a retina display ...

anonova• 13 years ago

If you use Gnome, they [recently added high DPI display support][1].

[1] http://www.gnome.org/press/2013/09/gnome-foundation-announce...

joeblau2• 13 years ago

One of the the features which I thought was pretty cool is that the windows which are behind will that are performing rendering tasks will now use a lot less resources. I don't know if you regard that as "killer" but I think this will be great for battery life.

benrapscallion• 13 years ago

I believe keyboard shortcuts are synchronized between iOS and Mac. This alone is worth an upgrade for me, given I have almost a hundred shortcuts on my phone and have to retype them into DashExpander every time I make a new one.

ComputerGuru4• 13 years ago

The upgrade process is 100% painless. You run the upgrade, it reboots your PC, and then it reboots it back into your desktop. No questions asked. OS X is absolutely not designed to be wiped and reinstalled, that's your problem if you do. While I have to format my Windows computers once a year for various reasons, I've been using OS X unformatted since the day I got my first MacBook in '06. Just used the migrate utility once when upgrading to my new rMBP. If you usually wipe and reinstall, that's on you.

Homebrew's been working great for me throughout the entire Mavericks beta. The last time Mail.app corrupted my inbox was probably on Snow Leopard, everything's been good since.

plg2• 13 years ago

"The last time Mail.app corrupted my inbox was probably on Snow Leopard, everything's been good since."

That's great for you. It hasn't been my experience. Seems like every few days I find a message here and there in my archive that's been corrupted.

I'm using Mountain Lion but my mail server is OS X Lion ... maybe that's the issue.

mmuro• 13 years ago

The feature I want the most? Safari's new web inspector.

Everything else is just icing on the cake.

tuananh2• 13 years ago

why not just go with Webkit nightly if you want it so badly?

meepmorp• 13 years ago

Maybe it's just me, but WebKit nightlies have been very crashy for me lately. All js stuff, from the tracebacks.

__float• 13 years ago

I'm really looking forward to tagging files in Finder. An integrated solution, unlike OpenMeta.

untog2• 13 years ago

This might be the greatest advertisement against tying browser releases to OS releases. Mad.

eunice• 13 years ago

The new Safari is coming to 10.7/8 also

dshep• 13 years ago

I am actually looking forward to this release. No real features but hints of new behind-the-scenes improvements make me think this will bring some needed Snow Leopard-like refinement to Mountain Lion. Here's hoping they can fix fullscreen with multiple monitors especially!

joshschreuder• 13 years ago

Are there any benchmarks out on how the battery life compares to previous versions of OS X?

OS X Mavericks GM Seed available to Developers

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